August 23, 2025 • 44 mins
Using green in the garden feels a bit like a no brainer, but when it’s done intentionally, the difference in outcome is clear. Learn about plants with unique green foliage and flowers, and how you can incorporate them in your garden. Featured shrub: Invincibelle Sublime smooth hydrangea.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:02):
Broadcasting from Studio A. Here at proven Winners Color Choice Shrubs.
It's time for the Gardening Simplified Show with Stacy Hervella, me,
Rick Weist, and our engineer and producer Adrianna Robinson. Well Stacy,
Today we're going to talk about a monochromatic approach using
shades of green. If there is a color that you
(00:24):
could plant in mass monochromatically, green's probably the one. It
would be your own secret forest. And I read recently
that there are estimates that there are two hundred, maybe
more than three hundred different shades of green.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Ooh, I love that. I think I love every single
one of them too. Hi, Green is my favorite color?
Is it really as it really is? I mean not gold?
It not be well. I have certain colors that I
like in the garden, certain colors I like to wear,
certain colors I would have for say a but yeah,
green is my favorite color for anything to do with
like clothing, paint, cars. Although I have no green cars
(01:10):
and so on, I love it.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Well, It's near the top of the list for me
because green is a great color. You can zen out
with a green plant until you feel calm. You can
have something green on your dinner plate every night, you
probably should. And green is associated with edible and ecological landscaping.
And of course I think back to the nineteen seventies
(01:34):
when I first got into the industry and the houseplant craze.
During the nineteen seventies, it was a time when everyone
had avocado colored kitchen appliances, the cars were avocado color,
even the shag carpeting in the house was avocado color.
So we were into green back there.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
You know. I do have to say growing up as
a child, little child in the seventies, I think that's
part of it. I do think that all of that
avocado green just kind of like seeped into my psyche
and it is one of the reasons why I like it.
I find it very comforting and it reminds me of being,
you know, a kid. We did have the avocado green
(02:15):
appliances and the rest the rusty orange ones too, but
we're not doing an orange show today.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
In I think it was called harvest gold, Harvest gold,
harvest gold. Yes. Well, anyhow, in flower beds, green performs
a role for which it is uniquely suited, and that
is peacekeeper. Green is just there, dependable, non competitive and
a medley of hues can be reconciled by the presence
(02:42):
of enough green foliage. I mean often green is used
as the background color or foundation plants for a landscape.
But if you're using just green in a landscape, monotony
is a threat, and you can over come that with contrast.
So you're gonna want to look at mixing textures and
(03:05):
contrasting shapes. I love stone paths through a green landscape.
They really give great contrast.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
And all the better if they get covered in moss
and become green themselves.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Exactly exactly, So we're here to trumpet and praise the
color green. As Kermit the Frog said, it's not easy
being green. It seems you blend in with so many
other ordinary things, and people tend to pass you over.
So if you're thinking about a monochromatic green garden, shades
(03:42):
of green. To make sure that your garden doesn't become
a hodgepodge of every green cultivar you could get your
hands on, make an effort to utilize repeated elements throughout
the space. That's one thing you can do to create
a unified picture. One way to make sure that this
(04:03):
is a trick that I like to use one way
to make sure that you're doing a good job of texture.
So again, I think about a green garden and I
think about the thin leaves of ornamental grasses dancing in
the breeze, contrasted to the ruffled, big foliage of let's
say hostas the best way to determine whether or not
(04:24):
you're doing a good job so that it doesn't create
a modeled look in your landscape that you're using different
shades of green, but using texture well and repetition. Go
out there, shoot pictures in black and white.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Yeah, for sure, look at the pictures.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
In black and white, and it's going to tell you
a lot.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
It really does. And in fact, last week's guest Lisa
Roper from Chanticleer Gardens. If you follow Chanticleer on social media,
she will often post the same photo in black and
white and in color to really help everyone to understand
the textural things that are going on there. You know,
the thing about a green garden, though, is I would
bet that most of us probably have a pretty much
(05:07):
all green garden at some point in the season. We
may not be trying for it, but you know, I
find for my garden and it's just a matter mostly
of what I have planted. But there is kind of
this lull after the spring bulbs have faded, but it's
not quite hasn't been like quite warm enough for all
of the late spring early summer stuff to get going
too soon. There's kind of this brief period where it
(05:30):
is mostly green. And I mean, I am not complaining,
but you don't have to try necessarily to make a
green garden, but you do have to try to make
a good green garden.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
I think so too. And of course we've had a
show on spacing and layering of plants. That will be
important if you're going to have a monochromatic green garden,
because you know, you can think about colors as bright
as chartruse and then get into some greens that are
so dark they almost look black to my eye. But
then into that also the contrast of the textures. Here's
(06:04):
a point to argue, should the plant leaves be touching
or not? In other words, if you're using just a
monochromatic look, maybe a little space between the plants is
a good idea.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Maybe not, maybe not, It really depends. You know, Sometimes
that space can kind of just turn into black holes too,
and you don't really, you know, So it's that is
mostly I think a matter of personal taste. But I
like my plants to touch.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
So from mosses and turf and ferns to giant evergreens.
Between those extremes you're gonna find endless variety. Don't plant
too many of the same form together. I think that
that's the key. Like I said that dancing straps of
ornamental grasses by the large leaves of hostas, I think
that that's going to make a green garden work really
(06:53):
well for you. So cool toned greens leaning towards blue
can be calming, while warm toned leaning towards yellow can
be more vibrant. Again, walking into a gardener, if I
close my eyes, Stacy, I'm amazed at the number of
shades of green that there are.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Oh, there are, especially at this time of year where
everything has kind of changed and morphed, and the flowers
and the flower buds, it's a great time for green.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
The Latin word for green is veridice, so you'll often
see the word viridescent in descriptions of plants, or you'll
see the word verdant derives from the French word for green,
and then of course, you know you got to throw
into the whole mix too, is there's many people who
love a beautiful lawn and beautiful turf, and working that
(07:47):
and the texture of it and the color into a
monochromatic green landscape can be simply stunning. I wrote you
a chlorophyll limb a rick. Chlorophyl, of course, is what
makes our leaves green.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Absolutely, that's why gardens are green.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
My good friend Chlorophil resides in Pleasantville. Not one to
be brash and rarely will clash. His presence gets you
to chill. The knock on phil in some is just green,
can be humdrum in spring. Their emergence is a blast
fill in. His friends, the chloroplast prove phils a genius
(08:30):
green thumb. So it's not easy being green, not loud
or brash, just serene. But my friend Chlorophil can give
you a thrill better than any drama queen.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
You know it's true in the Midwest, in the Northeast,
we definitely take green for granted. Green is the color
of our landscapes. But there are certainly places you can
go in the United States where green is quite rare,
and they would probably think of it as anything but humdrum.
It is unusual. But yeah, for a lot of people
here they would say, oh that gardens so boring is
(09:06):
just green, Like, well, green's of color, thank you very much.
And it is worth, you know, appreciating on its own merits.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Absolutely, And I think when you put a landscape like
that together, a monochromatic green landscape in my mind, in
my mind's eye, the exclamation points are going to be
very very important. And there's so many great exclamation points.
I'm excited in my landscape. I just planted the sting
(09:34):
arbor biding and these exclamation points again are going to
give the eye an opportunity to rest as you scan
across the landscape. So again some repetition, but at the
same time, really good contrast in both texture and style
of plant and size will make all the difference if
(09:56):
this is something you want to tack.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
And you know, the cool thing about doing something with sting,
which is an arborvidy, is you can use a kind
of themeine variation idea. Yes, get a bunch of other
different arborvidies of different sizes, and they're all going to
have slightly different types of green in them, and then
that unique texture of the foliage will really help to
unite everything. That's a great plan to work with.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
In segment four, we'll give you some ideas on some
plants you could use in your monochromatic green garden. But
first up next we'll see how Stacey ties in this
subject in Plants on Trial. That's next here on the
Gardening Simplified.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Show, beautify your home and community with proven Winter's Color
Choice Shrubs with over three hundred and twenty five unique
varieties to choose from. There's a flowering shrubber evergreen for
every taste and every space. Just look for the distinctive
white container your local garden center or learn more at
(10:55):
proven Winner's Color Choice dot Com. Greetings or should I
say greenings gardening friends, and welcome back to the Gardening
Simplified Show, where the order of the day if you
missed us in segment one is all about the color green.
And you know a lot of people would mistakenly, I think,
find green dull or boring, or if they go to
(11:17):
a garden that's mostly green, they would say something like, oh,
I guess this garden already flowered or hasn't flowered yet.
You know, like that the main point of the garden
is the colorful flowers and not the green foliage. But
you know, the simple fact is you're not gonna get
colorful flowers without the green foliage because that's making all
the energy to produce the flowers.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
That's right. I think you can create a garden that
will make your neighbors green with ivy. I had to
contrast your your pun there. Yes, that was a good one.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Well, hopefully they won't plant ivy because English ivy is
it can be a very problematic way to get green
in your landscape, although of course it is a classic
and a great way to get a green one. But
you know, there's a time and a place for almost
everything now, as a lot of people probably know, one
(12:08):
of the first proven Winner's Colored Choice shrubs that was
introduced way back in the nineteen nineties was Limelight.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Hydrange minor in full flower.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Oh it's this a great time for HM and Limelight
is not today's plant on trial. But I you know, Limelight,
it's really hard to explain to take people back to
that moment and what Limelight did to change the landscape
in general in the US and Canada, there really had
never been anything like it, and it was an instant hit,
(12:36):
you know, So it was so different. There was really
only two main panicle hydrangs that people were growing at
the time. They were Tardeva and the original PG hydrange in.
Both of those just flowered white and then maybe kind
of sort of turn a little bit pink, and then
you know, just went on and then a long comes
Limelight and it has these bright, vivid green flowers. It's
(12:57):
an easy plant to produce. People just went crazy for it,
and I would say it is almost certainly the most
widely planted panicle hydrangea today, considering that it is all
through the US and Canada and Europe and really all
around the world. I mean, this is a plant that's
really taken the world by storm. People love it. And
early in my career here, so we're talking about fourteen
(13:19):
fifteen years ago, I was running the preven Winters feedback
form for shrubs and I got a message from a
home gardener that has really stuck with me to this day,
and she was downright angry that Limelight was green. Now,
of course, yes, it is right there in the name.
Limelight is called is so called because the flowers are
(13:42):
lime colored. And she said, you know, I bought this
plant because everyone in my neighborhood has these hydrange just flowering,
and they're so beautiful and they're white, and I just
bought this one and it's green, and if this thing
is going to stay green, I am going to be
really angry with you. And she then proceeds to say,
(14:05):
in exactly these terms, no one wants green flowers. She says,
the leaves are green, and flowers are supposed to be colorful.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Like Kermit said, it's not easy being green.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
But you know, that really got me thinking about the
fact that is as common as green is in foliage,
among ornamental plants, green flowers are relatively uncommon. So it
makes them actually even more special, lady, because they're less common.
(14:41):
I know, when I first started gardening, I got super
excited to grow a rebeccia that had just come out
called green Wizard, and it had green petals instead of
yellow petals. And to this day I find green flowers
very very interesting. Now, I don't really want to say
that they're rare, because certainly among trees I think are
(15:03):
probably the biggest example, Lots and lots of trees have
what would be considered green flowers, but those are not
really ornamental flowers. They're you know, like a birch cakin
is kind of green. The flowers on you know, your
average Norway maple are green and so on and so forth.
So it's not uncommon for trees, but for ornamental plants,
it is relatively uncommon to find green flowers, and that
(15:27):
makes them even more special. And that is what makes
today's plant on trial, which is in Vincibelle's sublime hydrangea,
so very special. Now this is my absolute favorite, well
tied for my favorite. The other one is invincibel lace
of all of our smooth hydrangeas. Now full disclosure, of
course I can't grow it because I have deer, but
(15:50):
if I could grow it, this would be one that
I would grow.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Agree, I love that hydrange Now there's a rumor, at
least it's stuck in my head that that's the hydrangea
that re placed the one that was named after me,
Limey Ricky or something like that. Is that what it was,
you know, ikymy lime Ricky Lime Ricky.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
And you know that plant plant came out before we
started working together. But now I feel kind of bad
that it has replaced Limericky, it feels more personal than it.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Did obviously had an effect on me.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
I'm so sorry, Ray, it was not personal. But Lime
Ricky was a spectacular play and I loved Limericky. So
Limericky Hydrangea was sort of the predecessor to Invincibil's Sublime,
and in vincemel Sublime, we dropped it in favor of
in vince Biel Sublime because the flower color on Sublime
is just so vivid and it was beautiful and Limericky.
(16:44):
Don't get me wrong, I loved that plant, but it's
just so bright and so vivid, and the flowers are
even bigger. And Limericky actually won a very prestigious award
from the Mount Cuba Center for Native Plants out in
Maryland as a top performer, and that was top farm
are based on you know, it's stem strength, it's flowers,
and its ability to serve pollinators and wildlife. So this
(17:07):
is kind of the air apparent to that. A little
bit different than Limericky, but still a fabulous plant. This
is our native smooth hydrangea. And one of the things
you'll notice, aside from the fabulous green flowers, is that
the foliage is actually a different color of green compared
to most smooth hydranges. And one of the reasons for
that is because it is a subspecies of Hydrangea arborescents
(17:29):
or smooth Hydrangea subspecies radiata. And what that subspecies does
is the foliage looks a little bit different and it
has a really nice silvery underside as well, so it's
just kind of a fun little twist on it. So
it makes the foliage almost like a dark black blue
type of green. So then when these bright fresh lime
(17:52):
and that they really do look like a fresh lime,
gorgeous flowers pop out. They really really stand out from
the plant. It is a mophead, but instead of being
you know, really big and round like you think of
with incredible, the flowers are kind of more flat domes,
but they're gigantic. They are very very pollinator friendly. And
(18:12):
one of the things that I love about this plant
that is minor and I know we're talking about green,
but the still merits mentioning is that the center of
each floret is pink. So it just has this tiny
little pink dot net when they're fresh, and it just
adds so much contrast. The flowers start off. What I
would perhaps refer to as a celadon green or a
(18:32):
pale jade green. And then as they open immature, that's
when they get to that bright, fresh, limey color. And
then that's really going to persist and develop even some
different marblings of paler green into it until really the
first frost or if it gets water stressed, you know,
the flowers might brown early, but so you have this
really long display of green, and as the flowers become
(18:56):
as they age, they really do become more of a
textural part of the garden rather than just a colorful part.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
I love that. And the part that I love about it, Stacey,
is the plant is great for many different zones, even
our friends in Canada Minnesota. I mean pretty cold, hardy.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Yes, so like other smooth hydrangeas, it is hardy down
to USDA Zone three, so all of our smooth hydrangees are.
But unlike other smooth hydrangeas, it is also heat tolerant
through USDA Zone nine.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Yeah that's great.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
So a lot of our other smooth hydrangs we only
list as heat tolerant through about USDA zone eight. Simply
they can grow, but they'll be stressed. It's hard of course,
we don't want people to just have plants that live.
We want plants that thrive, so we're trying to give
people the information to get that well. And Vinzabel sublime
is actually a heat tolerant through USDA Zone nine, probably
(19:50):
most likely because of that Radiota subspecies that is more
prevalent in the south, so that probably gives it a
little bit more heat tolerance. But of course if you
are in USDA Zone eight or nine, you're gonna want
to grow this in shade, especially during the hottest part
of the day. That will just help the flowers last longer.
And speaking of the flowers and lasting, the stem strength
(20:11):
on this thing is unbelievable. I have never once seen
a single stem on this thing flop. And just like
lime Ricky. I remember one day we had a four
hour rainstorm and I watched the water just pour out
of the gutter over the lime Ricky and at the
end of it couldn't even tell yeah, yeah, And that's
again that.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Goes back to that, Yes, that's what we learned.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
We're gonna find We're gonna have to go deep into
the archives and see if we can find a lime
Ricky for rich lime just like me. Maybe it needs
to be rewired, but of course it is not dear resistant.
It does make a good cut flower, although it is
a little bit on the larger side of that. Full
sun is fine here in Michigan, especially if you can
(20:53):
mulch it. Although, like I said, in warmer climate's definitely
gonna want some afternoon shade. Not exactly drought tolerance, so
sound regular moisture some mulch will do a lot of
good and really help this to be the eye catching
centerpiece of your green garden. I hope you will consider
it for your garden, and if you do, you can
find it at your local garden center. You can see
(21:15):
photos of in Vincebelle Sublime Hydrangea on the YouTube version
as well as at Proven Winner's Color Choice dot Com.
We are going to take a little break. When we
come back, we're opening up the mailbags, so please stay tuned.
At Proven Winners Color Choice Shrubs, we know that a
(21:37):
better landscape starts with a better shrub. Our team of
experts tests and evaluates all of our flowering shrubs in
Evergreens for eight to ten years to ensure they outperform
what's already on the market. For easycare, reliable, beautiful shrubs
to accentuate your home and express your personal style. Look
for Proven Winners shrubs in the distinctive white container at
your local garden center or learn more at Proven Winner's
(21:59):
Color te gre Reetings, gardening friends, and welcome back to
the Gardening Simplified Show, where it is our time to
help you with your gardening questions, quandaries and conundrums and comments,
because we do love to hear from you, and if
you have a comment to leave us, you can certainly
do that. You can just go to Gardening Simplified on
(22:20):
air dot com. There is a contact button there, or
you can also leave it as a comment on the
YouTube version. And speaking of YouTube, you know, Ayrianna does
an amazing job of making the YouTube version so much
more interesting, bringing in lots of photos. So if you're
ever listening to us on radio or podcasts and you're like, gee,
(22:41):
I sure would like to see a picture of that,
check us out on YouTube and you will get to
see a picture of that. It's not just you know,
a YouTube video of us sitting in the studio in
front of a background. There are some of that, but
lots of cool stuff to see there and we are
always happy to try to help you the best that
we can. And I felt like, you know, I wanted
(23:02):
to first of all, start off a comment from a listener,
Steve Nelson, and he says, we've been to Nelsonville. We
drove all over to find a souvenir because our last
name is Nelson. They didn't get a brick, but all
he got was a shirt and he enjoys listening to
the show. Now, Adriana was, you know, looking for the
additional you know, stuff to put in to the YouTube
(23:24):
version last week after your talk about Nelsonville and your
presentation of a Nelsonville brick for my birthday, which was lovely,
and she sent me a screenshot that the Nelsonville brick
exchange takes place in the parking lot behind the McDonald's
in Nelsonville, Ohio, which we both just thought was so funny,
(23:46):
Like it makes it sound like it's such like a
shady deal that they've got to, like, you know, do
behind the McDonald's. So anyway, if you're headed to Nelsonville
and looking for the brick exchange, it's behind McDonald's.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
I wonder that is great. I wonder if Steve Nelson
is related to the Ricky Nelson of I went to
a garden party theme. Maybe that would be cool to know.
And we also learned from the Brick episode from our
listeners and viewers that overcooked or wonky bricks are called clinkers.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Oh I love clinker brick. Yeah, so in New York
there were definitely a lot of buildings that included clinker brick.
It was kind of popular, like in the nineteen tens
to add some you know, unique texture. Clinker bricks are
very very cool. So I'm a fan.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Excellent.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
All right, what do we got in the mailbag this week? Brick?
Speaker 1 (24:38):
I'm thinking if I go to Nelsonville, I could get
a senior coffee at the same time. I'd be great.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
I mean, it sounds like you should really go, and
you know you might you might have some bricks that
the people really are in demand down there.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
All right, Canna do it, Stacey. Let's see if you
can help out. Brisett, I believe is the correct pronunciation.
Helped desperate needed for the second year. I noticed something
that's been eating my ground hug erronia. I've had that
problem and my fire light tidbit Hydrangea I've never been
able to see anything on their leaves. However, because of
(25:13):
the damage, the erronias are not growing. This is the
second year in the ground from a quart sized plant.
They get new leaves but are eaten, so not enough
time for photosynthesis on the plants. Any idea what could
be causing this, how to treat it? I'm desperate for
my erronias to thrive.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Okay, Well, Brissette did helpfully include some photos, and from
what I can see in the photos that she sent,
this is to me a pretty clear case of the
black vine weavel.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Interesting.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
So, the black vine weavil is a weavil, which is
a type of beetle. They're the kind that have the long,
skinny snouts. They're actually pretty cute, even though they can
be very destructive. But the black vine weavil leaves a
very specific type of notching on the foliage. Now, they
are known to adore rhododendrons and that is where you
most often see their damage. But they're also pretty you know,
(26:05):
generalist type of feeders. And like I said, I'm pretty
sure about this because that damage is just so distinctive
to weavils. Now, it might not be black vine weavils specifically,
it most likely is because they're common across the US,
and the issue with the black vine weavil is not
so much the damage that you're seeing on the foliage,
(26:26):
but the fact that you are seeing that damage indicates
that they are present and laying eggs there. And I'm
not going to say breeding because I read as I
was researching this question for a brizette that black vine
weevils are parthenogenetic, there are no males, and the females
(26:48):
can lay fertile eggs. So all black vine weavels are
females and they lay fertile eggs without any males. So
that is kind of a scary thought because that means
every single black vine weevile that you have in your
yard is actually laying eggs and contributing to the problem. Now,
a weavil, like I said, a type of beetle, so
(27:09):
that means that it's juvenile stage is a grub. So
what you're basically seeing when you have black vine weevils,
since they don't fly, is knowing that they are laying
a bunch of eggs below the plant, and that those
grubs are eating the roots of your plant. And that's
what usually sets plants back from black vine weevil damage,
not so much the notching that you're actually seeing on
(27:31):
the foliage.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
So as you contemplate solutions for this problem, yes, debate
between good and weevil. One thing I've done before with
rhododendrons is I've put tangle foot or a sticky substance
on the stem.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Yep that would work because they don't fly, They're just gonna.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Crawl it, and then you'll know for sure, yes, because.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
They'll get caught. That's a great IDEA sticky trap will
also work. So the reason that you haven't seen them
present is because black vine weevils only feed at night.
So it's one of those situations where people see this
mysterious damage like they think that, you know, it's some
sort of thing that's like flying in and out. It's not.
They go back under the mulch during the day. But
again it's the it's the grubs that you need to manage.
(28:13):
It does help to trap the adults, that will help
a lot. As for treating the weevils, you know, that's
a lot more different. Rather the grubs. That's a lot
more difficult because of course they are underground, so I'm
not exactly sure. I'm not gonna give you any advice
on using like a specific pesticide. You can reach out
(28:34):
to your local cooperative extension on what they recommend for
managing grubs. You can also just go down there and
dig around and squish them. They aren't very deep in
the soil, and you know, you can just open it
up and pull them out and squish them. I squish
every grub, every small grub that I see in my
garden when I'm working, because they're almost certainly like a
(28:55):
Japanese beetle or an Asiatic garden beetle. I'm not killing
anything that's interesting, so I just try to get those
guys out of there. But again, the issue is with
the roots. I think if you can do that, it
should help. But also Rick wanted to comment that the
erronia is a favorite of deer and rabbits.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Yeah, because that was my problem.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
So don't also discount that if you do have them around,
they will eat those stems.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Jerry writes, My daughter Charies, living in Door, Michigan, found
this spider in her flower garden. Can you tell us
what it is? Well, that's easy, look it up. On
the web and how we should deal with it. Is
it dangerous? Should we leave it alone or help in
the flowers. My wife Phyllis and I watch your YouTube
(29:41):
posts every Saturday morning. Thank you for so many inspiring
ideas and knowledge. Thank you Jerry.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
And I'm sorry Rick, I didn't send you the picture
that Jerry sent. It is my all time favorite spider,
the garden spider our guyape Rantia. I love this spider.
I have never yet been fortunate enough to have one
take up residence in my yard, but this is kind
of the outdoor spider that I think most everyone thinks
of if they try to conjure up a spider in
(30:10):
their head. It's pretty large. It's black with yellow and
white stripes or kind of marbling on its abdomen. And
they become especially visible at this time of year, later
in the season because what has happened, basically is that
the little baby spiders have actually gotten big enough to
(30:30):
be noticeable. Before they were just kind of small and
you know, hanging out. So at this point in the
season they start to get big and you can walk
out your garden and be like, WHOA, what just happened.
Another thing that makes these so distinctive is they construct
what's known as a stablementia in the middle of the web,
which is like a bunch of dense zigzagging. And there
(30:50):
are a number of different theories as to why they
do that, but overall, the general theory is that it
is kind of like one of those decals that you
put on your windows so birds don't fly into it.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
So you know, the spiders are not obviously going to
be able to catch birds, they're way too big, But
they also don't want the bird to ruin their very
carefully and beautifully constructed web, so they put that stablementia
in the beginning in the middle to be like whoa,
don't fly through here, and hopefully that works for them
because it's a lot of energy to build a web.
But Jerry, as you can probably tell from my enthusiasm
(31:27):
for this beautiful spider, not harmful. I mean yet if
you really go in and mess with it, it might
potentially bite you, but that's very unlikely to happen. They
are going to kill a bunch of different insects in
the garden. They are a web hunter, so basically they
just wait for stuff to you fly into it and
then they'll wrap it all up and suck the juices out.
(31:47):
They build a new web every single day. If it
were me, I would simply relax and enjoy that this
spider has chosen your yard. I know some people do
get a little bit freaked out, but if you are
freaked out, then when I would also recommend is find
a friend who also loves spiders and they will come
and get it and make a home for it in
their garden and includes me.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Yeah, just post the video online. You can watch on
the webcam. I mean, if they're getting that big, right.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Huh yeah yeah yeah. Anyway, beautiful spider, lucky Scharise and
hopefully she can appreciate it instead of being freaked out.
But anyway, thank you all so much for your questions.
We're going to take a little break right now, and
when we come back, we're continuing our conversation on green
so please stay tuned. Thanks for listening to the Gardening
(32:39):
Simplified Podcast, brought to you by Proven Winners Color Choice Shrubs.
Our award winning flowering shrubs and evergreens are trialed and
tested by experts with your success in mind. Learn more
at Proven Winners color Choice dot com.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Welcome back to the Gardening Simplified show. As today we
talk about the color green. Last night we had downpour rains.
That was so nice. Took me back to the rainforest
in Costa Rica. The rain was just pelting the leaves
of my bananas and cannas. Really cool sound.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Oh yeah, I noticed that last night too with my
big allocasia out front. It was making a very interesting
sound as the rain cascaded off the roof onto it
and gave it some much needed water.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Had stuffed green peppers for dinner. That was nice, which
brings me to my dad joke of the day. Why
didn't the green pepper practice archery because it didn't have
an arrow? Moving on? Did you get that?
Speaker 2 (33:41):
I did get that?
Speaker 1 (33:42):
That bad? I know it's a stretch.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Okay, maybe hot pepper? Maybe why didn't the hot pepper?
Maybe that would improve the joke.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Okay, the hot pepper didn't have a habit narrow.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
You know, I'm I'm gowing habanatas this year. You ever
hear those? Yeah? There like Habynio's, but they're not hot,
so they have the flavor. They're very late to ripen,
but they are very cool And I'm about to have
a ton of them.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
I like that.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
I'll bring you some.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
I like that well as you work on this monochromatic
green garden. As a matter of fact, you mentioned in
a previous segment to Stacey, there green cone flowers. If
you go to proven Winter's website, look for green jewel
cone flower. That's pretty cool. And for myself, of course,
(34:30):
I love tulips and any of the Virida flora tulips
that have the green streaks through them, like spring green.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Love that those are so so beautiful, and a lot
of regular white tulips will have a little bit of
green in them too, which is very refreshing looking.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
Oh and I love that. I love that combination of
white and green because it's very classic in the garden.
I just think it's a great combination. Of course, us
those are made for the shade and hostas come in
every shade of green, imaginable huge variation and leaf sizes
(35:08):
and shapes, so you're gonna have to incorporate them in
your green garden. Ferns, of course, can brighten up any
dark corner and are great choice for your green garden.
Once established, they fill in quickly. And I know I
just mentioned it but again Musa bajou the hardy banana. Wow,
I cannot believe how fast that thing grows nice. I mean,
(35:30):
it's it's up to my roofline now, so it's it's amazing.
Cordline fruiticosa. I love cordlines. Some people refer to them
as tea plants. Some people call them thie plants. I
don't know whatever.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
I there you go.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
But one of my favorites for the green garden and
to add great green to your garden is Allocacia. And
proven Winters has an elephant ear called Emerald. I've grown
three or four those this year. Amazed at the performance
of that plant, and Stacey, it just the color green
(36:09):
is so bright and it's so ruffled and textural. That
really adds character to the landscape.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
I love every single Allocasia I've ever seen, and that
goes for their cousins, col Acasia's and kalladiums as well.
You know, I have an Allocasia that I've been putting
on my front porch for gosh about five years now.
So if you have one of these, they're super easy
to overwinter. I basically just put it in the basement
(36:38):
and it will wither back, and you know, sometimes if
I think of it, I'll give it like maybe one
or two waterings over the winter. But then comes spring,
put it outside, start watering it, and it just picks
up like it never missed a beat. So if you
do have Emerald Isle or another allocasia that you invested in,
you don't have to just throw it away. And every
year it gets bigger and better. It's another great think
(37:00):
about it. And yeah, the green cannot be beat on
those beautiful plants.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
And with the banana tree, the mousa bajoux just mulching
it very heavily here in the north generally, you know,
so they'll die back to the ground, but boys.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Quickly you just you just melt it and lilted in place. Wow,
that's amazing.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
But just that hardy banana, you would not be able
to do that, like with Cavendish or some of the
other varieties. Stacey Fairy trail green, Cascade Hydrangea right has
got to be on the list.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Definitely a very strong contender for Plants on Trial today.
But and I love that one because like I was
describing with some invincibil sublime, which was plants on Trial,
it has that great marbling, so it's not just like
it's a plain green surface like you know, your average leaf,
but it's multiple greens all kind of mixing and swirling together.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Going back to the allocacias and colocacias, some of them
have a green that is so dark it almost looks black.
Of course, we love coffee cups, and even when you
look at the house plant area zz plants. People love
ZZ plants so easy to care for provided you don't
(38:16):
over water them. And I remember as a buyer for
foliage plants for retail, we would buy a variety called
Raven and that's just it looks black. It looks black,
so that's amazing. And then you go to the other
end of the spectrum with chartruse plants, whether it be
(38:37):
a chartreuse, sweet potato vine, but just really helps add
that full spectrum of green in your monochromatic garden. Stacey,
of course, I'm glad you talked about hydranges because I
love the green on hydrating.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
You know, they really are special and there's just something
I think about seeing those vivid, fresh greens with bloom
at the height of summer that just feels refreshing, like
it's like taking a drink of cold water.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
You have to have some hellebores. And when we're looking
at Evergreen's Celtic Pride microbiata, I just love that plant.
Tater tot is so popular, Tortuga junipers and stacy. We
have to mention and talk for a moment about boxwoods,
because if you're gonna have a green garden, you're probably
(39:29):
going to have to have some boxwoods like sprinter boxwood
in there.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
Boxwoods are the ultimate green choice, and you know, they're
pretty much always appropriate. They always look great, and you know,
some of the older varieties, especially they can do what's
called bronze in the winter, where their foliage will kind
of take on some purply brownish tones. It's totally normal.
It does not mean that they're dying, whereas other varieties
(39:54):
are known to stay really really green in the winter. Stuff.
That's a really important part of your lens escape vision.
You want to make sure you're picking one this day's
green all winter.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
Yeah. Absolutely, Vegetable plants, of course, would have to be incorporated. Cucumbers.
I have a picture of a cucumber trying to escape
the compound this past week, making a getaway.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
I think that's in the air right now is the
vegetable garden is at peak. I've got stuff growing out
of the fences in my vegetable garden as well. And yeah,
it has been a great year for cucumbers, that is
for sure.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
If you're looking for texture in that green, monochromatic garden.
Of course, I'm a big fan of grasses, but I
want to mention specifically the graceful grass is king tut
or any kind of Egyptian papyrus, or if it's prints,
the shorter version, because not only do you get some
(40:51):
vibrant green, but you get really cool texture too. So
all important kale, mint, sage, dill, bays, sweet peas, peppers,
they all add an ornamental green field to the landscape.
And again, as you're looking at areas of monochromatic green,
(41:12):
there's just this good, healthy, environmental feel that a garden
like that gives. So why not incorporate some edibles.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
Absolutely, And you know, thinking about basil, and just even
the basil that I have in my garden right now,
I have four or five different types. It's amazing how
different all of the greens are among them. You know,
the thie basil is like a dark, purply green whereas
like the Italian basil is just the classic green. And
you know what I was just saying over the weekend,
(41:41):
my favorite color is August.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
I like that because of all the greens she got
right now, it's fabulous.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
I like that. I'm going to hang on to that.
That's very good. That's very good. And you're right, Stacey again,
all those different shades of green. I was just thinking
about this lady in our neighborhood who makes Thai food,
and I recognized her restaurant and the reason I did.
(42:10):
She's got a long row of five gallon buckets in
front of the restaurant, and she has holes drilled in
the bottom for drainage, and she has all different types
of herbs, mint, and basil in those containers, and it's fabulous.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
Yeah, they're very ornamental. I mean, I love growing basil, but.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
Yeah, you bet. And if you want that really great
green in your landscape, remember sometimes feeding is necessary. Nitrogen, magnesium, iron, sulfur.
Of course, I love lawn fertilizers that use iron and sulfur.
You don't get the fast growth, but they certainly give
you a nice, dark, deep green to the turf iron
(42:54):
deficiency symptoms become more prominent over time, and you'll just
see that veining in the foliage where you have dark
green veins but yellow between the veins. And many times
you know iron deficiency or magnesium deficiency. They kind of
look the same when you have that problem. But be
(43:15):
looking at that and remember, if you're going to apply
some sort of supplement, make sure to take a look
at the pH of the soil because if the pH
is too high, those supplements of iron or magnesium or
sulfur probably aren't going to work. Well, there you go,
we're giving people the green light today we did. This
(43:38):
was loads of fun. Thank you Stacey, thank you Rick,
thank you Adriana, and thanks to all of you who
watch us on YouTube, listen to our radio show version,
or look for us where you find your favorite podcast.
Make sure to do that. Tell your friends and neighbors
have a great week.
Broadcasting from Studio A. Here at proven Winners Color Choice Shrubs.
It's time for the Gardening Simplified Show with Stacy Hervella, me,
Rick Weist, and our engineer and producer Adrianna Robinson. Well Stacy,
Today we're going to talk about a monochromatic approach using
shades of green. If there is a color that you
(00:24):
could plant in mass monochromatically, green's probably the one. It
would be your own secret forest. And I read recently
that there are estimates that there are two hundred, maybe
more than three hundred different shades of green.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Ooh, I love that. I think I love every single
one of them too. Hi, Green is my favorite color?
Is it really as it really is? I mean not gold?
It not be well. I have certain colors that I
like in the garden, certain colors I like to wear,
certain colors I would have for say a but yeah,
green is my favorite color for anything to do with
like clothing, paint, cars. Although I have no green cars
(01:10):
and so on, I love it.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Well, It's near the top of the list for me
because green is a great color. You can zen out
with a green plant until you feel calm. You can
have something green on your dinner plate every night, you
probably should. And green is associated with edible and ecological landscaping.
And of course I think back to the nineteen seventies
(01:34):
when I first got into the industry and the houseplant craze.
During the nineteen seventies, it was a time when everyone
had avocado colored kitchen appliances, the cars were avocado color,
even the shag carpeting in the house was avocado color.
So we were into green back there.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
You know. I do have to say growing up as
a child, little child in the seventies, I think that's
part of it. I do think that all of that
avocado green just kind of like seeped into my psyche
and it is one of the reasons why I like it.
I find it very comforting and it reminds me of being,
you know, a kid. We did have the avocado green
(02:15):
appliances and the rest the rusty orange ones too, but
we're not doing an orange show today.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
In I think it was called harvest gold, Harvest gold,
harvest gold. Yes. Well, anyhow, in flower beds, green performs
a role for which it is uniquely suited, and that
is peacekeeper. Green is just there, dependable, non competitive and
a medley of hues can be reconciled by the presence
(02:42):
of enough green foliage. I mean often green is used
as the background color or foundation plants for a landscape.
But if you're using just green in a landscape, monotony
is a threat, and you can over come that with contrast.
So you're gonna want to look at mixing textures and
(03:05):
contrasting shapes. I love stone paths through a green landscape.
They really give great contrast.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
And all the better if they get covered in moss
and become green themselves.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Exactly exactly, So we're here to trumpet and praise the
color green. As Kermit the Frog said, it's not easy
being green. It seems you blend in with so many
other ordinary things, and people tend to pass you over.
So if you're thinking about a monochromatic green garden, shades
(03:42):
of green. To make sure that your garden doesn't become
a hodgepodge of every green cultivar you could get your
hands on, make an effort to utilize repeated elements throughout
the space. That's one thing you can do to create
a unified picture. One way to make sure that this
(04:03):
is a trick that I like to use one way
to make sure that you're doing a good job of texture.
So again, I think about a green garden and I
think about the thin leaves of ornamental grasses dancing in
the breeze, contrasted to the ruffled, big foliage of let's
say hostas the best way to determine whether or not
(04:24):
you're doing a good job so that it doesn't create
a modeled look in your landscape that you're using different
shades of green, but using texture well and repetition. Go
out there, shoot pictures in black and white.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Yeah, for sure, look at the pictures.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
In black and white, and it's going to tell you
a lot.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
It really does. And in fact, last week's guest Lisa
Roper from Chanticleer Gardens. If you follow Chanticleer on social media,
she will often post the same photo in black and
white and in color to really help everyone to understand
the textural things that are going on there. You know,
the thing about a green garden, though, is I would
bet that most of us probably have a pretty much
(05:07):
all green garden at some point in the season. We
may not be trying for it, but you know, I
find for my garden and it's just a matter mostly
of what I have planted. But there is kind of
this lull after the spring bulbs have faded, but it's
not quite hasn't been like quite warm enough for all
of the late spring early summer stuff to get going
too soon. There's kind of this brief period where it
(05:30):
is mostly green. And I mean, I am not complaining,
but you don't have to try necessarily to make a
green garden, but you do have to try to make
a good green garden.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
I think so too. And of course we've had a
show on spacing and layering of plants. That will be
important if you're going to have a monochromatic green garden,
because you know, you can think about colors as bright
as chartruse and then get into some greens that are
so dark they almost look black to my eye. But
then into that also the contrast of the textures. Here's
(06:04):
a point to argue, should the plant leaves be touching
or not? In other words, if you're using just a
monochromatic look, maybe a little space between the plants is
a good idea.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Maybe not, maybe not, It really depends. You know, Sometimes
that space can kind of just turn into black holes too,
and you don't really, you know, So it's that is
mostly I think a matter of personal taste. But I
like my plants to touch.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
So from mosses and turf and ferns to giant evergreens.
Between those extremes you're gonna find endless variety. Don't plant
too many of the same form together. I think that
that's the key. Like I said that dancing straps of
ornamental grasses by the large leaves of hostas, I think
that that's going to make a green garden work really
(06:53):
well for you. So cool toned greens leaning towards blue
can be calming, while warm toned leaning towards yellow can
be more vibrant. Again, walking into a gardener, if I
close my eyes, Stacy, I'm amazed at the number of
shades of green that there are.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Oh, there are, especially at this time of year where
everything has kind of changed and morphed, and the flowers
and the flower buds, it's a great time for green.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
The Latin word for green is veridice, so you'll often
see the word viridescent in descriptions of plants, or you'll
see the word verdant derives from the French word for green,
and then of course, you know you got to throw
into the whole mix too, is there's many people who
love a beautiful lawn and beautiful turf, and working that
(07:47):
and the texture of it and the color into a
monochromatic green landscape can be simply stunning. I wrote you
a chlorophyll limb a rick. Chlorophyl, of course, is what
makes our leaves green.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Absolutely, that's why gardens are green.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
My good friend Chlorophil resides in Pleasantville. Not one to
be brash and rarely will clash. His presence gets you
to chill. The knock on phil in some is just green,
can be humdrum in spring. Their emergence is a blast
fill in. His friends, the chloroplast prove phils a genius
(08:30):
green thumb. So it's not easy being green, not loud
or brash, just serene. But my friend Chlorophil can give
you a thrill better than any drama queen.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
You know it's true in the Midwest, in the Northeast,
we definitely take green for granted. Green is the color
of our landscapes. But there are certainly places you can
go in the United States where green is quite rare,
and they would probably think of it as anything but humdrum.
It is unusual. But yeah, for a lot of people
here they would say, oh that gardens so boring is
(09:06):
just green, Like, well, green's of color, thank you very much.
And it is worth, you know, appreciating on its own merits.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Absolutely, And I think when you put a landscape like
that together, a monochromatic green landscape in my mind, in
my mind's eye, the exclamation points are going to be
very very important. And there's so many great exclamation points.
I'm excited in my landscape. I just planted the sting
(09:34):
arbor biding and these exclamation points again are going to
give the eye an opportunity to rest as you scan
across the landscape. So again some repetition, but at the
same time, really good contrast in both texture and style
of plant and size will make all the difference if
(09:56):
this is something you want to tack.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
And you know, the cool thing about doing something with sting,
which is an arborvidy, is you can use a kind
of themeine variation idea. Yes, get a bunch of other
different arborvidies of different sizes, and they're all going to
have slightly different types of green in them, and then
that unique texture of the foliage will really help to
unite everything. That's a great plan to work with.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
In segment four, we'll give you some ideas on some
plants you could use in your monochromatic green garden. But
first up next we'll see how Stacey ties in this
subject in Plants on Trial. That's next here on the
Gardening Simplified.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Show, beautify your home and community with proven Winter's Color
Choice Shrubs with over three hundred and twenty five unique
varieties to choose from. There's a flowering shrubber evergreen for
every taste and every space. Just look for the distinctive
white container your local garden center or learn more at
(10:55):
proven Winner's Color Choice dot Com. Greetings or should I
say greenings gardening friends, and welcome back to the Gardening
Simplified Show, where the order of the day if you
missed us in segment one is all about the color green.
And you know a lot of people would mistakenly, I think,
find green dull or boring, or if they go to
(11:17):
a garden that's mostly green, they would say something like, oh,
I guess this garden already flowered or hasn't flowered yet.
You know, like that the main point of the garden
is the colorful flowers and not the green foliage. But
you know, the simple fact is you're not gonna get
colorful flowers without the green foliage because that's making all
the energy to produce the flowers.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
That's right. I think you can create a garden that
will make your neighbors green with ivy. I had to
contrast your your pun there. Yes, that was a good one.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Well, hopefully they won't plant ivy because English ivy is
it can be a very problematic way to get green
in your landscape, although of course it is a classic
and a great way to get a green one. But
you know, there's a time and a place for almost
everything now, as a lot of people probably know, one
(12:08):
of the first proven Winner's Colored Choice shrubs that was
introduced way back in the nineteen nineties was Limelight.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Hydrange minor in full flower.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Oh it's this a great time for HM and Limelight
is not today's plant on trial. But I you know, Limelight,
it's really hard to explain to take people back to
that moment and what Limelight did to change the landscape
in general in the US and Canada, there really had
never been anything like it, and it was an instant hit,
(12:36):
you know, So it was so different. There was really
only two main panicle hydrangs that people were growing at
the time. They were Tardeva and the original PG hydrange in.
Both of those just flowered white and then maybe kind
of sort of turn a little bit pink, and then
you know, just went on and then a long comes
Limelight and it has these bright, vivid green flowers. It's
(12:57):
an easy plant to produce. People just went crazy for it,
and I would say it is almost certainly the most
widely planted panicle hydrangea today, considering that it is all
through the US and Canada and Europe and really all
around the world. I mean, this is a plant that's
really taken the world by storm. People love it. And
early in my career here, so we're talking about fourteen
(13:19):
fifteen years ago, I was running the preven Winters feedback
form for shrubs and I got a message from a
home gardener that has really stuck with me to this day,
and she was downright angry that Limelight was green. Now,
of course, yes, it is right there in the name.
Limelight is called is so called because the flowers are
(13:42):
lime colored. And she said, you know, I bought this
plant because everyone in my neighborhood has these hydrange just flowering,
and they're so beautiful and they're white, and I just
bought this one and it's green, and if this thing
is going to stay green, I am going to be
really angry with you. And she then proceeds to say,
(14:05):
in exactly these terms, no one wants green flowers. She says,
the leaves are green, and flowers are supposed to be colorful.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Like Kermit said, it's not easy being green.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
But you know, that really got me thinking about the
fact that is as common as green is in foliage,
among ornamental plants, green flowers are relatively uncommon. So it
makes them actually even more special, lady, because they're less common.
(14:41):
I know, when I first started gardening, I got super
excited to grow a rebeccia that had just come out
called green Wizard, and it had green petals instead of
yellow petals. And to this day I find green flowers
very very interesting. Now, I don't really want to say
that they're rare, because certainly among trees I think are
(15:03):
probably the biggest example, Lots and lots of trees have
what would be considered green flowers, but those are not
really ornamental flowers. They're you know, like a birch cakin
is kind of green. The flowers on you know, your
average Norway maple are green and so on and so forth.
So it's not uncommon for trees, but for ornamental plants,
it is relatively uncommon to find green flowers, and that
(15:27):
makes them even more special. And that is what makes
today's plant on trial, which is in Vincibelle's sublime hydrangea,
so very special. Now this is my absolute favorite, well
tied for my favorite. The other one is invincibel lace
of all of our smooth hydrangeas. Now full disclosure, of
course I can't grow it because I have deer, but
(15:50):
if I could grow it, this would be one that
I would grow.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Agree, I love that hydrange Now there's a rumor, at
least it's stuck in my head that that's the hydrangea
that re placed the one that was named after me,
Limey Ricky or something like that. Is that what it was,
you know, ikymy lime Ricky Lime Ricky.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
And you know that plant plant came out before we
started working together. But now I feel kind of bad
that it has replaced Limericky, it feels more personal than it.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Did obviously had an effect on me.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
I'm so sorry, Ray, it was not personal. But Lime
Ricky was a spectacular play and I loved Limericky. So
Limericky Hydrangea was sort of the predecessor to Invincibil's Sublime,
and in vincemel Sublime, we dropped it in favor of
in vince Biel Sublime because the flower color on Sublime
is just so vivid and it was beautiful and Limericky.
(16:44):
Don't get me wrong, I loved that plant, but it's
just so bright and so vivid, and the flowers are
even bigger. And Limericky actually won a very prestigious award
from the Mount Cuba Center for Native Plants out in
Maryland as a top performer, and that was top farm
are based on you know, it's stem strength, it's flowers,
and its ability to serve pollinators and wildlife. So this
(17:07):
is kind of the air apparent to that. A little
bit different than Limericky, but still a fabulous plant. This
is our native smooth hydrangea. And one of the things
you'll notice, aside from the fabulous green flowers, is that
the foliage is actually a different color of green compared
to most smooth hydranges. And one of the reasons for
that is because it is a subspecies of Hydrangea arborescents
(17:29):
or smooth Hydrangea subspecies radiata. And what that subspecies does
is the foliage looks a little bit different and it
has a really nice silvery underside as well, so it's
just kind of a fun little twist on it. So
it makes the foliage almost like a dark black blue
type of green. So then when these bright fresh lime
(17:52):
and that they really do look like a fresh lime,
gorgeous flowers pop out. They really really stand out from
the plant. It is a mophead, but instead of being
you know, really big and round like you think of
with incredible, the flowers are kind of more flat domes,
but they're gigantic. They are very very pollinator friendly. And
(18:12):
one of the things that I love about this plant
that is minor and I know we're talking about green,
but the still merits mentioning is that the center of
each floret is pink. So it just has this tiny
little pink dot net when they're fresh, and it just
adds so much contrast. The flowers start off. What I
would perhaps refer to as a celadon green or a
(18:32):
pale jade green. And then as they open immature, that's
when they get to that bright, fresh, limey color. And
then that's really going to persist and develop even some
different marblings of paler green into it until really the
first frost or if it gets water stressed, you know,
the flowers might brown early, but so you have this
really long display of green, and as the flowers become
(18:56):
as they age, they really do become more of a
textural part of the garden rather than just a colorful part.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
I love that. And the part that I love about it, Stacey,
is the plant is great for many different zones, even
our friends in Canada Minnesota. I mean pretty cold, hardy.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Yes, so like other smooth hydrangeas, it is hardy down
to USDA Zone three, so all of our smooth hydrangees are.
But unlike other smooth hydrangeas, it is also heat tolerant
through USDA Zone nine.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Yeah that's great.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
So a lot of our other smooth hydrangs we only
list as heat tolerant through about USDA zone eight. Simply
they can grow, but they'll be stressed. It's hard of course,
we don't want people to just have plants that live.
We want plants that thrive, so we're trying to give
people the information to get that well. And Vinzabel sublime
is actually a heat tolerant through USDA Zone nine, probably
(19:50):
most likely because of that Radiota subspecies that is more
prevalent in the south, so that probably gives it a
little bit more heat tolerance. But of course if you
are in USDA Zone eight or nine, you're gonna want
to grow this in shade, especially during the hottest part
of the day. That will just help the flowers last longer.
And speaking of the flowers and lasting, the stem strength
(20:11):
on this thing is unbelievable. I have never once seen
a single stem on this thing flop. And just like
lime Ricky. I remember one day we had a four
hour rainstorm and I watched the water just pour out
of the gutter over the lime Ricky and at the
end of it couldn't even tell yeah, yeah, And that's
again that.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Goes back to that, Yes, that's what we learned.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
We're gonna find We're gonna have to go deep into
the archives and see if we can find a lime
Ricky for rich lime just like me. Maybe it needs
to be rewired, but of course it is not dear resistant.
It does make a good cut flower, although it is
a little bit on the larger side of that. Full
sun is fine here in Michigan, especially if you can
(20:53):
mulch it. Although, like I said, in warmer climate's definitely
gonna want some afternoon shade. Not exactly drought tolerance, so
sound regular moisture some mulch will do a lot of
good and really help this to be the eye catching
centerpiece of your green garden. I hope you will consider
it for your garden, and if you do, you can
find it at your local garden center. You can see
(21:15):
photos of in Vincebelle Sublime Hydrangea on the YouTube version
as well as at Proven Winner's Color Choice dot Com.
We are going to take a little break. When we
come back, we're opening up the mailbags, so please stay tuned.
At Proven Winners Color Choice Shrubs, we know that a
(21:37):
better landscape starts with a better shrub. Our team of
experts tests and evaluates all of our flowering shrubs in
Evergreens for eight to ten years to ensure they outperform
what's already on the market. For easycare, reliable, beautiful shrubs
to accentuate your home and express your personal style. Look
for Proven Winners shrubs in the distinctive white container at
your local garden center or learn more at Proven Winner's
(21:59):
Color te gre Reetings, gardening friends, and welcome back to
the Gardening Simplified Show, where it is our time to
help you with your gardening questions, quandaries and conundrums and comments,
because we do love to hear from you, and if
you have a comment to leave us, you can certainly
do that. You can just go to Gardening Simplified on
(22:20):
air dot com. There is a contact button there, or
you can also leave it as a comment on the
YouTube version. And speaking of YouTube, you know, Ayrianna does
an amazing job of making the YouTube version so much
more interesting, bringing in lots of photos. So if you're
ever listening to us on radio or podcasts and you're like, gee,
(22:41):
I sure would like to see a picture of that,
check us out on YouTube and you will get to
see a picture of that. It's not just you know,
a YouTube video of us sitting in the studio in
front of a background. There are some of that, but
lots of cool stuff to see there and we are
always happy to try to help you the best that
we can. And I felt like, you know, I wanted
(23:02):
to first of all, start off a comment from a listener,
Steve Nelson, and he says, we've been to Nelsonville. We
drove all over to find a souvenir because our last
name is Nelson. They didn't get a brick, but all
he got was a shirt and he enjoys listening to
the show. Now, Adriana was, you know, looking for the
additional you know, stuff to put in to the YouTube
(23:24):
version last week after your talk about Nelsonville and your
presentation of a Nelsonville brick for my birthday, which was lovely,
and she sent me a screenshot that the Nelsonville brick
exchange takes place in the parking lot behind the McDonald's
in Nelsonville, Ohio, which we both just thought was so funny,
(23:46):
Like it makes it sound like it's such like a
shady deal that they've got to, like, you know, do
behind the McDonald's. So anyway, if you're headed to Nelsonville
and looking for the brick exchange, it's behind McDonald's.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
I wonder that is great. I wonder if Steve Nelson
is related to the Ricky Nelson of I went to
a garden party theme. Maybe that would be cool to know.
And we also learned from the Brick episode from our
listeners and viewers that overcooked or wonky bricks are called clinkers.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Oh I love clinker brick. Yeah, so in New York
there were definitely a lot of buildings that included clinker brick.
It was kind of popular, like in the nineteen tens
to add some you know, unique texture. Clinker bricks are
very very cool. So I'm a fan.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Excellent.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
All right, what do we got in the mailbag this week? Brick?
Speaker 1 (24:38):
I'm thinking if I go to Nelsonville, I could get
a senior coffee at the same time. I'd be great.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
I mean, it sounds like you should really go, and
you know you might you might have some bricks that
the people really are in demand down there.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
All right, Canna do it, Stacey. Let's see if you
can help out. Brisett, I believe is the correct pronunciation.
Helped desperate needed for the second year. I noticed something
that's been eating my ground hug erronia. I've had that
problem and my fire light tidbit Hydrangea I've never been
able to see anything on their leaves. However, because of
(25:13):
the damage, the erronias are not growing. This is the
second year in the ground from a quart sized plant.
They get new leaves but are eaten, so not enough
time for photosynthesis on the plants. Any idea what could
be causing this, how to treat it? I'm desperate for
my erronias to thrive.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Okay, Well, Brissette did helpfully include some photos, and from
what I can see in the photos that she sent,
this is to me a pretty clear case of the
black vine weavel.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Interesting.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
So, the black vine weavil is a weavil, which is
a type of beetle. They're the kind that have the long,
skinny snouts. They're actually pretty cute, even though they can
be very destructive. But the black vine weavil leaves a
very specific type of notching on the foliage. Now, they
are known to adore rhododendrons and that is where you
most often see their damage. But they're also pretty you know,
(26:05):
generalist type of feeders. And like I said, I'm pretty
sure about this because that damage is just so distinctive
to weavils. Now, it might not be black vine weavils specifically,
it most likely is because they're common across the US,
and the issue with the black vine weavil is not
so much the damage that you're seeing on the foliage,
(26:26):
but the fact that you are seeing that damage indicates
that they are present and laying eggs there. And I'm
not going to say breeding because I read as I
was researching this question for a brizette that black vine
weevils are parthenogenetic, there are no males, and the females
(26:48):
can lay fertile eggs. So all black vine weavels are
females and they lay fertile eggs without any males. So
that is kind of a scary thought because that means
every single black vine weevile that you have in your
yard is actually laying eggs and contributing to the problem. Now,
a weavil, like I said, a type of beetle, so
(27:09):
that means that it's juvenile stage is a grub. So
what you're basically seeing when you have black vine weevils,
since they don't fly, is knowing that they are laying
a bunch of eggs below the plant, and that those
grubs are eating the roots of your plant. And that's
what usually sets plants back from black vine weevil damage,
not so much the notching that you're actually seeing on
(27:31):
the foliage.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
So as you contemplate solutions for this problem, yes, debate
between good and weevil. One thing I've done before with
rhododendrons is I've put tangle foot or a sticky substance
on the stem.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Yep that would work because they don't fly, They're just gonna.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Crawl it, and then you'll know for sure, yes, because.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
They'll get caught. That's a great IDEA sticky trap will
also work. So the reason that you haven't seen them
present is because black vine weevils only feed at night.
So it's one of those situations where people see this
mysterious damage like they think that, you know, it's some
sort of thing that's like flying in and out. It's not.
They go back under the mulch during the day. But
again it's the it's the grubs that you need to manage.
(28:13):
It does help to trap the adults, that will help
a lot. As for treating the weevils, you know, that's
a lot more different. Rather the grubs. That's a lot
more difficult because of course they are underground, so I'm
not exactly sure. I'm not gonna give you any advice
on using like a specific pesticide. You can reach out
(28:34):
to your local cooperative extension on what they recommend for
managing grubs. You can also just go down there and
dig around and squish them. They aren't very deep in
the soil, and you know, you can just open it
up and pull them out and squish them. I squish
every grub, every small grub that I see in my
garden when I'm working, because they're almost certainly like a
(28:55):
Japanese beetle or an Asiatic garden beetle. I'm not killing
anything that's interesting, so I just try to get those
guys out of there. But again, the issue is with
the roots. I think if you can do that, it
should help. But also Rick wanted to comment that the
erronia is a favorite of deer and rabbits.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Yeah, because that was my problem.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
So don't also discount that if you do have them around,
they will eat those stems.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Jerry writes, My daughter Charies, living in Door, Michigan, found
this spider in her flower garden. Can you tell us
what it is? Well, that's easy, look it up. On
the web and how we should deal with it. Is
it dangerous? Should we leave it alone or help in
the flowers. My wife Phyllis and I watch your YouTube
(29:41):
posts every Saturday morning. Thank you for so many inspiring
ideas and knowledge. Thank you Jerry.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
And I'm sorry Rick, I didn't send you the picture
that Jerry sent. It is my all time favorite spider,
the garden spider our guyape Rantia. I love this spider.
I have never yet been fortunate enough to have one
take up residence in my yard, but this is kind
of the outdoor spider that I think most everyone thinks
of if they try to conjure up a spider in
(30:10):
their head. It's pretty large. It's black with yellow and
white stripes or kind of marbling on its abdomen. And
they become especially visible at this time of year, later
in the season because what has happened, basically is that
the little baby spiders have actually gotten big enough to
(30:30):
be noticeable. Before they were just kind of small and
you know, hanging out. So at this point in the
season they start to get big and you can walk
out your garden and be like, WHOA, what just happened.
Another thing that makes these so distinctive is they construct
what's known as a stablementia in the middle of the web,
which is like a bunch of dense zigzagging. And there
(30:50):
are a number of different theories as to why they
do that, but overall, the general theory is that it
is kind of like one of those decals that you
put on your windows so birds don't fly into it.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
So you know, the spiders are not obviously going to
be able to catch birds, they're way too big, But
they also don't want the bird to ruin their very
carefully and beautifully constructed web, so they put that stablementia
in the beginning in the middle to be like whoa,
don't fly through here, and hopefully that works for them
because it's a lot of energy to build a web.
But Jerry, as you can probably tell from my enthusiasm
(31:27):
for this beautiful spider, not harmful. I mean yet if
you really go in and mess with it, it might
potentially bite you, but that's very unlikely to happen. They
are going to kill a bunch of different insects in
the garden. They are a web hunter, so basically they
just wait for stuff to you fly into it and
then they'll wrap it all up and suck the juices out.
(31:47):
They build a new web every single day. If it
were me, I would simply relax and enjoy that this
spider has chosen your yard. I know some people do
get a little bit freaked out, but if you are
freaked out, then when I would also recommend is find
a friend who also loves spiders and they will come
and get it and make a home for it in
their garden and includes me.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Yeah, just post the video online. You can watch on
the webcam. I mean, if they're getting that big, right.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Huh yeah yeah yeah. Anyway, beautiful spider, lucky Scharise and
hopefully she can appreciate it instead of being freaked out.
But anyway, thank you all so much for your questions.
We're going to take a little break right now, and
when we come back, we're continuing our conversation on green
so please stay tuned. Thanks for listening to the Gardening
(32:39):
Simplified Podcast, brought to you by Proven Winners Color Choice Shrubs.
Our award winning flowering shrubs and evergreens are trialed and
tested by experts with your success in mind. Learn more
at Proven Winners color Choice dot com.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Welcome back to the Gardening Simplified show. As today we
talk about the color green. Last night we had downpour rains.
That was so nice. Took me back to the rainforest
in Costa Rica. The rain was just pelting the leaves
of my bananas and cannas. Really cool sound.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Oh yeah, I noticed that last night too with my
big allocasia out front. It was making a very interesting
sound as the rain cascaded off the roof onto it
and gave it some much needed water.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Had stuffed green peppers for dinner. That was nice, which
brings me to my dad joke of the day. Why
didn't the green pepper practice archery because it didn't have
an arrow? Moving on? Did you get that?
Speaker 2 (33:41):
I did get that?
Speaker 1 (33:42):
That bad? I know it's a stretch.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Okay, maybe hot pepper? Maybe why didn't the hot pepper?
Maybe that would improve the joke.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Okay, the hot pepper didn't have a habit narrow.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
You know, I'm I'm gowing habanatas this year. You ever
hear those? Yeah? There like Habynio's, but they're not hot,
so they have the flavor. They're very late to ripen,
but they are very cool And I'm about to have
a ton of them.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
I like that.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
I'll bring you some.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
I like that well as you work on this monochromatic
green garden. As a matter of fact, you mentioned in
a previous segment to Stacey, there green cone flowers. If
you go to proven Winter's website, look for green jewel
cone flower. That's pretty cool. And for myself, of course,
(34:30):
I love tulips and any of the Virida flora tulips
that have the green streaks through them, like spring green.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Love that those are so so beautiful, and a lot
of regular white tulips will have a little bit of
green in them too, which is very refreshing looking.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
Oh and I love that. I love that combination of
white and green because it's very classic in the garden.
I just think it's a great combination. Of course, us
those are made for the shade and hostas come in
every shade of green, imaginable huge variation and leaf sizes
(35:08):
and shapes, so you're gonna have to incorporate them in
your green garden. Ferns, of course, can brighten up any
dark corner and are great choice for your green garden.
Once established, they fill in quickly. And I know I
just mentioned it but again Musa bajou the hardy banana. Wow,
I cannot believe how fast that thing grows nice. I mean,
(35:30):
it's it's up to my roofline now, so it's it's amazing.
Cordline fruiticosa. I love cordlines. Some people refer to them
as tea plants. Some people call them thie plants. I
don't know whatever.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
I there you go.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
But one of my favorites for the green garden and
to add great green to your garden is Allocacia. And
proven Winters has an elephant ear called Emerald. I've grown
three or four those this year. Amazed at the performance
of that plant, and Stacey, it just the color green
(36:09):
is so bright and it's so ruffled and textural. That
really adds character to the landscape.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
I love every single Allocasia I've ever seen, and that
goes for their cousins, col Acasia's and kalladiums as well.
You know, I have an Allocasia that I've been putting
on my front porch for gosh about five years now.
So if you have one of these, they're super easy
to overwinter. I basically just put it in the basement
(36:38):
and it will wither back, and you know, sometimes if
I think of it, I'll give it like maybe one
or two waterings over the winter. But then comes spring,
put it outside, start watering it, and it just picks
up like it never missed a beat. So if you
do have Emerald Isle or another allocasia that you invested in,
you don't have to just throw it away. And every
year it gets bigger and better. It's another great think
(37:00):
about it. And yeah, the green cannot be beat on
those beautiful plants.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
And with the banana tree, the mousa bajoux just mulching
it very heavily here in the north generally, you know,
so they'll die back to the ground, but boys.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Quickly you just you just melt it and lilted in place. Wow,
that's amazing.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
But just that hardy banana, you would not be able
to do that, like with Cavendish or some of the
other varieties. Stacey Fairy trail green, Cascade Hydrangea right has
got to be on the list.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Definitely a very strong contender for Plants on Trial today.
But and I love that one because like I was
describing with some invincibil sublime, which was plants on Trial,
it has that great marbling, so it's not just like
it's a plain green surface like you know, your average leaf,
but it's multiple greens all kind of mixing and swirling together.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Going back to the allocacias and colocacias, some of them
have a green that is so dark it almost looks black.
Of course, we love coffee cups, and even when you
look at the house plant area zz plants. People love
ZZ plants so easy to care for provided you don't
(38:16):
over water them. And I remember as a buyer for
foliage plants for retail, we would buy a variety called
Raven and that's just it looks black. It looks black,
so that's amazing. And then you go to the other
end of the spectrum with chartruse plants, whether it be
(38:37):
a chartreuse, sweet potato vine, but just really helps add
that full spectrum of green in your monochromatic garden. Stacey,
of course, I'm glad you talked about hydranges because I
love the green on hydrating.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
You know, they really are special and there's just something
I think about seeing those vivid, fresh greens with bloom
at the height of summer that just feels refreshing, like
it's like taking a drink of cold water.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
You have to have some hellebores. And when we're looking
at Evergreen's Celtic Pride microbiata, I just love that plant.
Tater tot is so popular, Tortuga junipers and stacy. We
have to mention and talk for a moment about boxwoods,
because if you're gonna have a green garden, you're probably
(39:29):
going to have to have some boxwoods like sprinter boxwood
in there.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
Boxwoods are the ultimate green choice, and you know, they're
pretty much always appropriate. They always look great, and you know,
some of the older varieties, especially they can do what's
called bronze in the winter, where their foliage will kind
of take on some purply brownish tones. It's totally normal.
It does not mean that they're dying, whereas other varieties
(39:54):
are known to stay really really green in the winter. Stuff.
That's a really important part of your lens escape vision.
You want to make sure you're picking one this day's
green all winter.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
Yeah. Absolutely, Vegetable plants, of course, would have to be incorporated. Cucumbers.
I have a picture of a cucumber trying to escape
the compound this past week, making a getaway.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
I think that's in the air right now is the
vegetable garden is at peak. I've got stuff growing out
of the fences in my vegetable garden as well. And yeah,
it has been a great year for cucumbers, that is
for sure.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
If you're looking for texture in that green, monochromatic garden.
Of course, I'm a big fan of grasses, but I
want to mention specifically the graceful grass is king tut
or any kind of Egyptian papyrus, or if it's prints,
the shorter version, because not only do you get some
(40:51):
vibrant green, but you get really cool texture too. So
all important kale, mint, sage, dill, bays, sweet peas, peppers,
they all add an ornamental green field to the landscape.
And again, as you're looking at areas of monochromatic green,
(41:12):
there's just this good, healthy, environmental feel that a garden
like that gives. So why not incorporate some edibles.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
Absolutely, And you know, thinking about basil, and just even
the basil that I have in my garden right now,
I have four or five different types. It's amazing how
different all of the greens are among them. You know,
the thie basil is like a dark, purply green whereas
like the Italian basil is just the classic green. And
you know what I was just saying over the weekend,
(41:41):
my favorite color is August.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
I like that because of all the greens she got
right now, it's fabulous.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
I like that. I'm going to hang on to that.
That's very good. That's very good. And you're right, Stacey again,
all those different shades of green. I was just thinking
about this lady in our neighborhood who makes Thai food,
and I recognized her restaurant and the reason I did.
(42:10):
She's got a long row of five gallon buckets in
front of the restaurant, and she has holes drilled in
the bottom for drainage, and she has all different types
of herbs, mint, and basil in those containers, and it's fabulous.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
Yeah, they're very ornamental. I mean, I love growing basil, but.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
Yeah, you bet. And if you want that really great
green in your landscape, remember sometimes feeding is necessary. Nitrogen, magnesium, iron, sulfur.
Of course, I love lawn fertilizers that use iron and sulfur.
You don't get the fast growth, but they certainly give
you a nice, dark, deep green to the turf iron
(42:54):
deficiency symptoms become more prominent over time, and you'll just
see that veining in the foliage where you have dark
green veins but yellow between the veins. And many times
you know iron deficiency or magnesium deficiency. They kind of
look the same when you have that problem. But be
(43:15):
looking at that and remember, if you're going to apply
some sort of supplement, make sure to take a look
at the pH of the soil because if the pH
is too high, those supplements of iron or magnesium or
sulfur probably aren't going to work. Well, there you go,
we're giving people the green light today we did. This
(43:38):
was loads of fun. Thank you Stacey, thank you Rick,
thank you Adriana, and thanks to all of you who
watch us on YouTube, listen to our radio show version,
or look for us where you find your favorite podcast.
Make sure to do that. Tell your friends and neighbors
have a great week.
Popular Podcasts
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
Crime Junkie
Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.
NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal
Gregg Rosenthal and a rotating crew of elite NFL Media co-hosts, including Patrick Claybon, Colleen Wolfe, Steve Wyche, Nick Shook and Jourdan Rodrigue of The Athletic get you caught up daily on all the NFL news and analysis you need to be smarter and funnier than your friends.