January 24, 2025 • 39 mins
Guardians Ace Shane Bieber checks in to discuss his resigning this winter, and when fans can expect to see him back in action. Plus, Guardians Beat Reporter Paul Hoynse talks about his Hall of Fame ballot, and shares memories of Cooperstown bound CC Sabathia. That's all on this edition of Guardians Weekly with Jim Rosenhaus on the Cleveland Guardians Radio Network.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (01:01):
Hi, everyone, welcome to Guardians' Weekly. Shimros in house along
with you as it's another of our hot stove shows,
and man do we need that. If you're listening to
this show in Northeast Ohio, you know it has been
a rough week weatherwise with sub zero temperatures, but hopefully
some baseball talk on the radio warms you up. And
we are not far from spring training. Beginning. February eleventh
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is the day that pitchers and catchers report, the seventeenth
the full squad reports, and the eighteenth is the first
full squad workout, with the first game action on the
twenty second against the Reds, So it's coming quickly. Most players,
or at least a lot of them, are out in
goodyear already. Great show lined up for you today and
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just a little bit we will hear from Shane Bieber
had a chance to visit with Shane earlier this week
after he signed a contract to remain in Cleveland this
past December, a one year deal with a player option
for twenty twenty six, and a lot of good reasons why,
and he'll outline those as we hear from Shane in
just a little bit. And after our break, hope you
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can stay with us for the second half of the
show as Paul Hoyins will join us. The Hall of
Fame voting wrapped up this week and the Hall of
Fame inductees were announced on Tuesday. See see Sabbathia, the
former Cleveland Indian he'll be going in along with each
he Row, the unbelievable hitter who came over from Japan
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and took Major League Baseball by storm, and one of
the top closers of his day, Billy Wagner, all making
it in and always interesting to get Hoyinsey's perspective on that.
He's a longtime writer for the Cleveland Plaindealer in Cleveland
dot com and always has a pretty balanced opinion on
who should and who shouldn't go in. And we'll talk
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to him about the ten players that he voted for
the three that go in. All kinds of good stuff
coming up from Paul Hoyins after our break in the
second half of our show, But first some news. The
notes for the Guardians a nice acquisition earlier this week.
The bullpen was such a key a year ago, and
they have lost a couple of members of that bullpen
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due to trades to other ball clubs in Nick Sandlin
and Eli Morgan, so depth wise are looking to replenish that.
Trevor Stephen should return to the ball club at some
point on his way back from Tommy John surgery, and
earlier this week, the Guardian signed free agent reliever Paul Seewald,
who has had a fine career with a couple of
different clubs, and most recently, his top work came with
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Arizona back in twenty twenty three when the Diamondbacks made
that great run to the World Series and gave Texas
all it could handle. Seawald was a trade deadline acquisition,
ended up saving six games in the postseason for Arizona
and was a huge, huge key for that ball club.
He's thirty four years of age now, so he'll provide
some good experience in the back end of that bullpen
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and certainly help out a Manuel class A with some
closing opportunities you figure on the days where class is down.
Seawald has been a reliever throughout his career, first with
the Mets, and then he moved on to Seattle where
he established himself as a pretty good closer thirty four
saves back in that twenty three season. Last year, some
injuries set him back a little bit, limited to forty
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two games, so he'll be looking to bounce back from that.
But the Guardian's looking forward to having Paul Seawald in
the fold as they head in to spring training, and
they are also looking forward to seeing Shane Bieber back
with the ball club. He won't be ready in spring
training as his Tommy John surgery rest and rehab still
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has a ways to go. I think it's safe to
say probably around mid season. He'll let us know here shortly.
But just what are you getting with Bieber? Obviously the
Guardians a crown jewel in their development system for pitching.
He's now twenty nine years of age and he's sixty
two and thirty two in one hundred and thirty four
major league starts with an ERA of three point two
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to two. Last year halted after just two brilliant starts
when he worked twelve innings and allowed no runs, but
then the elbow blew out on him and that was
it he had the Tommy John surgery in April. The
high water mark for Bieber the cy young season back
in twenty twenty when he was eight and one in
the COVID shortened season, but a remarkable ERA of one
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point sixty three as he won Major League Baseball's Triple
Crown with wins, ERA and strikeouts leading the way in
all of those categories in the Big leagues. Made the
All Star team in twenty nineteen and it was here
in Cleveland, and won the Most Valuable Player award as
he struck out the side in his only inning of work.
And he will provide again more steadying influence in that clubhouse.
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And when we come back, we'll hear from Shane Bieber.
Great to catch up with him his interview next on
the Cleveland Clinic Guardians Radio Network.
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Speaker 2 (06:34):
Bieber's reading now the O two.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Strike three ball, he was guessing breaking ball, locked them
up with a fastball and canasion is biab seven strike
out victim. Welcome back to Guardian's Weekly, joining us now
Guardian's pitcher, and it's great to be able to say
that again. Shane Bieber back in the fold after signing
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a on track this past December, and he will complete
his rehab with Cleveland and hopefully be ready at some
point in time this season. And Shane, great to have
you on and great to know that you're back in
a Cleveland uniform.
Speaker 5 (07:12):
Thanks Rosie.
Speaker 6 (07:13):
Yeah, likewise, my family and I are extremely excited to
just stay in Cleveland and to see this out. And
there's a lot of unfinished business and yeah, I will
be ready and I will be ready to rock as
soon as possible and help contribute on the field.
Speaker 5 (07:26):
I can't wait for that.
Speaker 7 (07:28):
All.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Right, Before we get to the semi important stuff, the
really important stuff. When is the young Bieber gonna hit
the world. How's that going with you and Karen?
Speaker 6 (07:38):
I appreciate that preface. Yeah, perspectives are changing very quickly but.
Speaker 5 (07:44):
Very soon. My wife Kara, she's.
Speaker 6 (07:46):
Putting on an absolute clinic and she's doing fantastic in
her pregnancy. She's absolutely glowing and showing her beauty inside out.
So we're enjoying this process in this time, especially right
before training in the season starts and things get hectic
on I guess a bunch of different levels, like like
you kind of mentioned.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Well, certainly great news and hopefully everything continues to progress nicely.
And when you talk about progress, obviously you're coming back
from Tommy John surgery. Where are you in that process
now and what are some of the next steps that
you look forward to.
Speaker 5 (08:22):
Yeah, great question. I'm out to one hundred and twenty feet.
Speaker 6 (08:25):
I'm in a couple of weeks of throwing at one
hundred and twenty feet and relatively high intensity. I'm building
volume and intensity week by week, and I'm feeling really good, Rosie,
really encouraged with my progress and how steady everything's been.
I'm really just trying to do this as best as
I possibly can, leave no stone unturned, and you know,
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I want to do this once, and I want to
do this right, and you know, get back as soon
as possible and be as strong as I possibly can
when I do get back on that big league mount.
So you know, I'm just trying to put one foot
in front of the other, and like I said, I'm
I'm I'm stretching out my catch play and hopefully i'll
touch around here soon. I'm learning a lot about myself
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and just this process in general.
Speaker 5 (09:11):
It's you know, it's a.
Speaker 6 (09:12):
Whole new elbow, a whole new ligament that's getting activated
to an unnatural motion of throwing right. And my I
guess my old ligament had you know, twenty plus years
to do that. And so we're expediting this one in
in twelve months or whatever it may be. And so
I'm just enjoying the process. Everything's going extremely well, and
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I'm happy to share that.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Hey, that old one serves you really well, by the way. Yeah, Yeah.
Shane Bieber joining us back with with Cleveland and Shane
talk about that process. What what when you look deep
into it, what was the determining factor to have you
re sign with Cleveland.
Speaker 6 (09:54):
There's so many Rosie, I can't narrow it down to
just one. You know, there's a, uh, I guess in
a sense, a lot of intangibles that came signing with Cleveland.
The familiarity, the comfortability, the love for the community and
the fans, and the love received from the community and
the fans and the organization and the people that really
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make it go. It goes a long way. And my
wife and I really felt that since the moment we
stepped foot into progressive field and so just to have
those relationships both in the clubhouse, uh, in the media room,
in the locker room, on the field, in the training room,
and uh and with the coaching staff, I think it
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goes a long way. Especially the position that I'm in
right now, rehabbing from from Tommy John and you know,
hoping to be back.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
In the in the you know, middle of the season.
Speaker 6 (10:49):
And UH, it's just like I said, a lot of intangibles,
and we're just extatic to have that opportunity and to
receive that vote of confidence from you know, Cleveland and
they know where I'm at in my rehab process, and
you know, I didn't want to I didn't want to
go anywhere else, so we're very happy to be coming back.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
When you look back at last year, and I know,
just having visited with you during the season when you
came to town, you seem to just be looking forward
and trying to take those next steps. But was there
that point in time early on, especially with the start
that you had, where you just kind of thought out, Wow,
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what could have been both personally and team wise too?
Speaker 6 (11:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (11:36):
Absolutely, Gusie. The question is just it was a gutshot.
Speaker 6 (11:40):
It really was, and it took a while for me
to go through those emotions and try and process it,
you know, healthily and correctly. And you know, I was
able to do that relatively quick, but didn't want to
force anything, and it was really difficult. And part of
what made it difficult is kind of the success that
I was able to pitch with even with elbow, And
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ultimately it was it was pretty obvious when we got
the MRI and and spoke with you know, Cleveland's experts
and external experts and my surgeon who ended up doing it,
and doctor Keith Meister that you know, we had to
address this surgically, so it was really, uh, it was
a tough man.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
It was really tough having felt.
Speaker 6 (12:22):
So good in the offseason, and I thought I was past,
you know, any arm or elbow troubles, and unfortunately I
just wasn't. And it was a little bit inevitable, so
to speak. So I had to address it surgically, like
I said, And it was a gut shot. But all things,
I'm a believer that you know, things happen for a
reason and.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
And uh, and there's a path for for everything.
Speaker 6 (12:43):
And I really do feel like I've grown a lot
from this, both you know, professionally and personally, and so
I'm I'm excited to to get back on the mound
when the time is right, and and to help this
team win and uh for a playoff push and and
to and to mow down in the playoffs too.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
And they had a playoff bush a year ago and
and just a wonderful season. You were around several different times,
especially during the postseason. How important was that for you
to to be around that while your teammates we were
having that good success.
Speaker 6 (13:17):
Yeah, it was extremely important to me to my family
throughout the season as well. You know, I wasn't able
to be there the entire time. We send most of
our Tommy John guys too good year where you know,
you kind of get hands on care daily, and so
I was doing the lion share of my rehab there.
But you know, we we we spoke about that throughout
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the season periodically, but the playoffs more specifically, it was awesome.
I was I was there to experience, to try and
provide any sort of value that I that I possibly could,
or wisdom or for for whoever, whether they were a pitcher, hitter, or.
Speaker 5 (13:59):
You know, whatever position.
Speaker 6 (14:00):
So I was happy to be there jack some life
if if the guys needed it, but they really didn't.
Speaker 5 (14:04):
They did fantastic all year. It was It was an
awesome season to watch.
Speaker 6 (14:08):
It was really difficult, you know, just being a competitor
and an athlete, and I was looking so forward to
the to the season you know that we had last year,
and so it was different, different.
Speaker 5 (14:21):
I had to watch it from a different perspective, but
you know, I was able to take it in and
enjoy it all the same.
Speaker 6 (14:27):
So I was happy to be there for those guys,
supporting them in their playoff moments.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Shane Bieber joining us back with the Guardians as he
comes back from Tommy John surgery and Shane you mentioned earlier,
there are just so many people involved to help you
in this situation, but also who have helped you become
the pitcher that you've been in the major leagues. And
I thought it was interesting CC Sabatia inducted or at
least voted into the Hall of Fame, will be inducted
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this summer in cooper'stown, a long time Cleveland Indian, and
he gave so much credit to Carl Willis for really
shit who he became as a pitcher. And I know
there's a lot of different coaches that have touched you
along the years, but uh, what is Carl meant to you,
especially in recent seasons.
Speaker 5 (15:09):
Yeah, first of all, congratulations to cec.
Speaker 6 (15:12):
He and his family are incredible and they've done wonderful
things for the MLB and people all over. So I
was really happy to see him. There's never a doubt really,
but for him to get that recognition that he definitely
deserves was was awesome. And that for him to kind of,
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you know, seek out and mentioned how much Carl has
done for him is is really truly special. It says
a lot about the person that Carl is the teacher
and the role model that that he can be for
not just CC but for everybody, and so it definitely
feel that way personally. He's a tremendous coach, a tremendous mentor,
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and he's I mean, his resume speaks.
Speaker 5 (16:00):
To itself right and he does.
Speaker 6 (16:02):
He's done some incredible things with some incredible talents along
the way. So I'm really really happy to be to
be back and to be with the same crew and
Carls no exception there.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
And closing Shane Obviously, over the course of the off
season there have been some moves made as the team
tries to reconfigure itself and make another good postseason push.
What have you seen heading into the season and where's
your optimism level as you get closer to spring training.
Speaker 5 (16:32):
H Yeah, I mean I'm on my way back right
now from good year.
Speaker 6 (16:37):
Currently and been going in there just about daily, and
everybody's excited. Everybody that's coming in a lot more guys
coming in next week. Been touching base with them via text,
and everybody's doing really, really well and excited to get rolling,
that's for sure. Off season seems to go quicker and
quicker every year, but we're excited to get going for
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spring training, and yeah, there are moves that are made
and it's the same thing every offseason.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
It's I guess it's part of the job.
Speaker 6 (17:06):
And we're excited to you know, get into the get
into the swing of things with the first few days
of spring training and learn what this new group's all about.
And you know, the culture stays the same, even though
we rotate some names on the lockers, and you know, the.
Speaker 5 (17:21):
End goal is always the same, so we're excited to
work towards that.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Well, it's great to have you back and being a
part of that at some point in time this summer.
Shane Bieber, thanks so much for coming.
Speaker 5 (17:30):
By, Rosie. I appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Thank you at Shane Bieber. Always great to catch up
with Shane and he is really looking forward to getting
back on the mound and again, ye he wants to
take it cautious and not skip any steps. And Cleveland's
rehab and training staff or a adamant about that and
getting players back to full health before they turn them loose.
They did a great job with Matthew Boyd a year
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ago when he came back. He was a big key
down the stretch coming off. Tommy John Surgery, and they'll
look to do the same with Shane Bieber coming up
next season. When we come back, we'll hear from Paul Hoynes,
the longtime writer for the Cleveland Plaindealer in Cleveland dot Com.
We'll talk Hall of Fame voting. Three new members going
in in Cooperstown in July. That's next on the Cleveland
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Clinic Guardians Radio.
Speaker 8 (18:16):
Network from Jacobs Field in downtown Cleveland, Ohio. It is
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game number five as today the Cleveland Indians and the
Baltimore Orioles play in the rubber match of this three
game series. Let's face it, guys, all eyes today are
on a twenty year old behemoth of a young man
six seven cc Sabathia. You don't have many of these
special moments this early in the year.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
This should be something.
Speaker 9 (19:00):
Well and what you begin to wonder, Tom and we
shall see whether this defines the Indians franchise now for
the next ten to twelve years. This is one kid
who they have been pointing to as a part of
the future, and the future has arrived for cc SA.
Speaker 8 (19:15):
Matthews Brady Anderson leads off the wind in the very
first Major League Golf bring us as straight for CC
Samathia a ninety five mile an hour fastball, and Brady
Anderson got a quick look at the future.
Speaker 6 (19:30):
Here's a fun place to play.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
I really love this city, really enjoy it, and this
place holds a special place in my heart.
Speaker 6 (19:36):
I wish we would won the championship.
Speaker 10 (19:38):
He's had a Hall of Fame caliber career both on
and off the field, because not only is he an
exceedingly good competitor, but he's universally respected as a teammate
and as a leader in the clubhouse.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Welcome back to Guardians Weekly, and it's been a big
weekend baseball as the Hall of Fame votevoting was announced
and heading into the Hall of Fame longtime closer Billy Wagner,
one of the best hitters of his generation both here
and in Japan. Each ye row and someone near and
there to Cleveland fans certainly see see Sabbatia he'll be
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going in as well. And we are joined now by
Paul Hoyins from the Cleveland Plaindealer Cleveland dot com, longtime
baseball writer with a vote in terms of Hall of
Fame and hoyinsey no surprises really for you that the
three that got in and maybe some that did not.
Speaker 11 (20:33):
No, Rosie, I thought all three of those guys, CEC
each Row and Billy Wagner would get in. You know,
I had a little concern about CC maybe not making
it on the first ballot, but you know, I'm glad
he did.
Speaker 12 (20:50):
So, Yeah, I had, and I voted for all three
of those guys. Rosie and for CC.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
What were those concerns that you thought might leave him
off on that first ballot?
Speaker 11 (21:02):
Well, you know, he has a high ERA uh you
know postseason uh you know, record is not is you know,
it's not great. It's not you know, as as uh
you know, as prominent as his regular season stats. But
other than that, I you know, I just you know,
you know, people are hung up on the ERA issue.
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It kept uh you know, Jack Morris out of the
out of the balloting for the at least for the
Baseball writers, uh you know, and he finally had to
get elected by an ERA committee.
Speaker 12 (21:36):
Uh So well, you know that that was my one concern.
Speaker 11 (21:38):
But I think when you look at CC's body of
work and uh, you know, two hundred and fifty one wins,
he wins the World Series Championship, Uh, Cy Young winner
and Rosie the way.
Speaker 12 (21:53):
Managers use starters.
Speaker 11 (21:54):
Now, what do you think, do you think we'll ever
see another pitcher like this win two hundred and fifty
one games? I mean, you know so, so then you know,
I think that that was enough in my mind to
you know, to put him in the in Cooper's South.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Yeah, I think two hundred wins is the new three
hundred that it used to be, just the way starting
pitchers are being used now, and it might be, gosh,
two fifty one might be just too far of a
reach now based on on the lack of innings and
not going five and all that kind of kind of
thing that you see nowadays much more often. Did Did
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that maybe tip it for Billy Wagner? Just the way
he performed as a reliever, And you might see more
relievers getting in because of how they're used.
Speaker 11 (22:45):
Yeah, well, you know, i'd like, I'm glad the closers
are getting more of a run now. You know, Wagner,
this was his last year of eligibility. He had, you know,
just missed last year seventy three point eight percent of
the vote. He needs seventy five percent to get in,
So you know, I was glad I was, you know,
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I was happy that he got in. I mean he
kind of cut short his career short. You know, he
wanted to go home and be with his kids. I think,
you know, he still had a couple of years left
and and another guy that didn't pitch all that well
in the postseason. But you know, twelve seasons a twenty
or more saves, nine seasons with thirty or more, you know,
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four hundred and twenty two saves overall two point three
one era.
Speaker 12 (23:33):
You know, I think he deserved to be in, Rosie and.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
With each yearro how much did you consider his Japanese
career or is that not on the docket for you
guys to to consider a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 11 (23:47):
Yeah, I mean you can consider that, I guess, you know,
if you know, if you do that, he's got over
four thousand hits, right.
Speaker 12 (23:53):
But I think he got it.
Speaker 11 (23:55):
I just took it, as you know, you know from
his big league stats, and you know, it's really amazing
when you think about it. This guy was twenty seven
when he came over here, Rosie, when he came over
from Japan, and what the Onyx Blue Waves he played with,
I think and this guy what he still gets three
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thousand hits here, ten time Goal Globe winner, a Rookie
of the Year, ten time All Star, and the thing
that kind of blows your mind, you know what what
he had ten ten straight seasons of two hundred or
more hits, and you know, he set the all time
record with you know, over two hundred and sixty hits
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in one year.
Speaker 12 (24:40):
Just you know, that's incredible.
Speaker 11 (24:43):
And you know, I remember Rosie when the when the
idiots first got there, they got their first look at
each row. You know, that was when they had Robbie
Alamar at second base and omarv. Skelle at second at
short I said, I should say, and those guys, you
know what about twenty five maybe almost close to thirty
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gold gloves between them, and when they from they got
the first look at each row. The first game, you know,
he kind of beat out a couple infield hits.
Speaker 12 (25:13):
They had to move up, you know, they had to
move in.
Speaker 11 (25:15):
Both you know, you're talking about two of the best
infielders in baseball history, you know, showing their respect for
this guy. They had to take a couple of steps
in to play their positions just just to be able
to throw them out.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
So with all that, one voter said, no, he does
not deserve to go in. Yet that wasn't you.
Speaker 12 (25:35):
Was it Hointy, No, it wasn't us. Thank god, How
does that happen?
Speaker 3 (25:40):
Though?
Speaker 12 (25:42):
You know, I don't know.
Speaker 11 (25:43):
You know, you look back at the history of the
Hall of Fame. You know, Mariano Rivere is the only
guy with you know that that got one hundred percent
of the vote. You know, Johnny Bench didn't, Babe Ruth didn't,
Honus Wagner didn't.
Speaker 12 (25:55):
You know, Roberto Clemente didn't. You know. All in all,
you know, go down the line with the greatest players
in the history of the game.
Speaker 11 (26:03):
None of them got, you know, one hundred percent of
the vote except you know Rivera. So you know, I
don't know what point this the voter was trying to prove.
I'd love to hear an explanation from him or her,
but you know, I doubt they'll make that ballot public.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Willie Mays, I think was left off twenty three ballots
on his first year or the year he got in.
Something remarkable in the amount of people who didn't think
he was a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 11 (26:33):
But and I think, you know, I think that the
voting body has changed a lot, or Rosie, I think
it's gotten younger, and I think that leads to more
the potential for more guys to get in. On one
hundred percent of the vote, I'm still scratching my head
over each ear.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Although Paul Hoynes joining us as his ballot was in
and the Hall of Fame voting is complete with C. C. Sabatia,
Ichi Ro and Billy Agner going in. So you voted
for ten, so seven did not make it biggest surprise
for you that you voted for that did not get in.
Speaker 11 (27:09):
You know, I thought Carlos Beltran would get in, Rosie.
I thought he had a great chance, and he came close.
I think he'll get in in the next couple of years.
Speaker 12 (27:18):
I don't know.
Speaker 11 (27:19):
People are still holding the Houston signed seats stealing scandal
against them. That might, you know, have hurt him. But
I think eventually he's going to get in.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
And some of the others that you voted for that
did not get in, that you feel are still worthy.
Speaker 11 (27:36):
Yeah, I'll run down the guys I voted for, Mark Burley,
Tory Hunter, Andrew Jones, Dustin Pedroia, Francisco Rodriguez.
Speaker 12 (27:53):
And Omar Viscal. Those are the guys I voted for
that didn't get in.
Speaker 11 (27:59):
You know, we can talk about the and you are
you interested in talking about any of those guys.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Yeah, I think so. I'm obviously close to Cleveland fans
Omarvis skel Uh. Even even if off field things are resolved,
has it been too much to overcome at this point?
Speaker 12 (28:17):
Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 11 (28:18):
I think he's you know, unfortunately, I think Omar if
he does get in the Hall of Fame, it's not
going to be.
Speaker 12 (28:24):
By a vote of the writers.
Speaker 11 (28:26):
It'll have to be by one of the era committees,
you know, slash veteran committees. Because you know, Rosie, this
guy should be in the Hall of Fame. You know,
three or four years into his candidacy, he was at
fifty one percent of the vote, so you know that
was you know, he was passing guys like Trammel and
those guys like they were standing still.
Speaker 12 (28:47):
So he's right now he should be in.
Speaker 11 (28:49):
But you know, the problems off the field really scuttled
his uh, his chances to get in on the BBWA ballot.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
I thought it was interesting. Chipper Jones, a teammate of
Andrew Jones came out yesterday and said, well, if he
had been with the Yankees, he'd be in by now.
But you voted for Andrew Jones? How come? And and
does he have a chance to get in at some
point in time?
Speaker 11 (29:16):
You think, yeah, I think he was at like I
think he got probably sixty percent of the vote, you know,
right around sixty percent of the vote. This year, you
know this, he'll be in. He'll have two years of
eligibility left. Hopefully he gets in. And you know I
voted for him. Rosie, five time All Star, ten time
Gold Glove winner, twenty or more home runs for ten years,
(29:41):
led led the National League and home runs with fifty
one in two thousand and five. Just you know, I think,
what what what is Hurty Jones is? You know, his
career kind of it took off. You know, we saw
him as a teenager break in with the praise, you know,
have that meteor oric rye. And then he got to
(30:01):
a certain point in his career and it was just
like he fell off a cliff. And I think that
that probably hurt him, has hurt him more than anything.
Speaker 12 (30:08):
But if you go by peak years, I mean, this
guy's this guy's hard to ignore you.
Speaker 11 (30:13):
I mean, you listened to all those great pitchers that
the Braves had, Smolts and Clavi and Maddox. They said
they've never seen a better center fielder. So you know,
I think that carries some weight with the voters.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
And the one guy that I liked that you you've
had on for a couple of years now is Mark Burley,
And not even looking at the numbers, I think he
should be in just because gosh, I enjoyed watching that
guy pitch. And I don't know if that comes into
play or not. Probably not. It's got to be numbers too,
But why do you think Burley should be in there?
Speaker 11 (30:48):
Yeah? I mean when Burley pitched, Rosie, you know, you
didn't have to pack of lunch, man, you were out
of there, and what one fifty nine two hours in
a couple of minutes it was, you know, so he
pitched fast, he was efficient. You know, just just listen
to some of these numbers. Rosie in fourteen years in
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the Big League, in fourteen years is during his career
he pitched over two hundred innings in each of those seasons,
five time All Star, four time Gold Glove winner, through
a perfect game, threw a no hitter.
Speaker 12 (31:23):
I really think he's an underappreciated pitcher. And you know,
I voted for him.
Speaker 11 (31:30):
The first couple of years on the ballot, I didn't
vote for him, but then I looked at his stats
a little more.
Speaker 12 (31:35):
And if you want.
Speaker 11 (31:36):
Consistency out of a starting pitcher, and that's what everybody wants,
you want a guy that can get you five, six,
seven innings every time out.
Speaker 12 (31:44):
That's he did that. And you know that's why I
voted for him.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Well, when you watched them pitch, you don't see it
as much anymore. Pitchers who pitched the contact, put the
ball in play and let their fielders do the work.
And he was a pleasure to watch. We'll see probably
a long shot at best, I would think, Yeah, so
you look ahead the next year. Any locks you think
for for next season coming on the ballot, Yeah, you know.
Speaker 6 (32:10):
I have.
Speaker 12 (32:11):
I have not really looked at that, but I haven't
really studied those guys.
Speaker 11 (32:14):
I don't think there's an each row or a CC
on on the two thousand and six ballot.
Speaker 12 (32:21):
We'll have to see.
Speaker 11 (32:21):
I think it's you know, and that's kind of opens
the ballot up to a lot of the guys.
Speaker 12 (32:26):
That we just discussed, and maybe they'll they'll get a
little more play from the voters.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
All right, Oinsey, Well, always great to have you on
to talk about Hall of Fame voting. If you want
to come clean about the each Row thing and admit
that it was you not voting for him, you can
do that here one last chance. But if not, I understand.
Speaker 12 (32:46):
Now, I'm staying away from that. Or Rosie, I voted
for the guy you can look up. You can look
look it up on my ballot on February fourth.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Sounds good. Thanks Heinsy. All right, budd At Paul Hoins
from playing deealer Cleveland dot com, the Hall of Fame
voter going through his ballot, and it's always fun to
talk about some of the greats of the game from
not too long ago now, and congratulations to C. C. Sabbatia,
Billy Wagner and heat you Row. They'll be going into
Cooperstown this summer. Stay tuned more to come after this.
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It's a real Northeast Ohio winter that we're getting this year,
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squad reporting on the seventeenth, full squad workout on the eighteenth,
and February twenty second. The Guardians and Serry Francona Cincinnati Reds,
the two teams that share a good Year Ballpark. They'll
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Speaker 2 (01:01):
Hi, everyone, welcome to Guardians' Weekly. Shimros in house along
with you as it's another of our hot stove shows,
and man do we need that. If you're listening to
this show in Northeast Ohio, you know it has been
a rough week weatherwise with sub zero temperatures, but hopefully
some baseball talk on the radio warms you up. And
we are not far from spring training. Beginning. February eleventh
(01:26):
is the day that pitchers and catchers report, the seventeenth
the full squad reports, and the eighteenth is the first
full squad workout, with the first game action on the
twenty second against the Reds, So it's coming quickly. Most players,
or at least a lot of them, are out in
goodyear already. Great show lined up for you today and
(01:46):
just a little bit we will hear from Shane Bieber
had a chance to visit with Shane earlier this week
after he signed a contract to remain in Cleveland this
past December, a one year deal with a player option
for twenty twenty six, and a lot of good reasons why,
and he'll outline those as we hear from Shane in
just a little bit. And after our break, hope you
(02:08):
can stay with us for the second half of the
show as Paul Hoyins will join us. The Hall of
Fame voting wrapped up this week and the Hall of
Fame inductees were announced on Tuesday. See see Sabbathia, the
former Cleveland Indian he'll be going in along with each
he Row, the unbelievable hitter who came over from Japan
(02:28):
and took Major League Baseball by storm, and one of
the top closers of his day, Billy Wagner, all making
it in and always interesting to get Hoyinsey's perspective on that.
He's a longtime writer for the Cleveland Plaindealer in Cleveland
dot com and always has a pretty balanced opinion on
who should and who shouldn't go in. And we'll talk
(02:49):
to him about the ten players that he voted for
the three that go in. All kinds of good stuff
coming up from Paul Hoyins after our break in the
second half of our show, But first some news. The
notes for the Guardians a nice acquisition earlier this week.
The bullpen was such a key a year ago, and
they have lost a couple of members of that bullpen
(03:09):
due to trades to other ball clubs in Nick Sandlin
and Eli Morgan, so depth wise are looking to replenish that.
Trevor Stephen should return to the ball club at some
point on his way back from Tommy John surgery, and
earlier this week, the Guardian signed free agent reliever Paul Seewald,
who has had a fine career with a couple of
different clubs, and most recently, his top work came with
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Arizona back in twenty twenty three when the Diamondbacks made
that great run to the World Series and gave Texas
all it could handle. Seawald was a trade deadline acquisition,
ended up saving six games in the postseason for Arizona
and was a huge, huge key for that ball club.
He's thirty four years of age now, so he'll provide
some good experience in the back end of that bullpen
(03:54):
and certainly help out a Manuel class A with some
closing opportunities you figure on the days where class is down.
Seawald has been a reliever throughout his career, first with
the Mets, and then he moved on to Seattle where
he established himself as a pretty good closer thirty four
saves back in that twenty three season. Last year, some
injuries set him back a little bit, limited to forty
(04:16):
two games, so he'll be looking to bounce back from that.
But the Guardian's looking forward to having Paul Seawald in
the fold as they head in to spring training, and
they are also looking forward to seeing Shane Bieber back
with the ball club. He won't be ready in spring
training as his Tommy John surgery rest and rehab still
(04:37):
has a ways to go. I think it's safe to
say probably around mid season. He'll let us know here shortly.
But just what are you getting with Bieber? Obviously the
Guardians a crown jewel in their development system for pitching.
He's now twenty nine years of age and he's sixty
two and thirty two in one hundred and thirty four
major league starts with an ERA of three point two
(04:58):
to two. Last year halted after just two brilliant starts
when he worked twelve innings and allowed no runs, but
then the elbow blew out on him and that was
it he had the Tommy John surgery in April. The
high water mark for Bieber the cy young season back
in twenty twenty when he was eight and one in
the COVID shortened season, but a remarkable ERA of one
(05:18):
point sixty three as he won Major League Baseball's Triple
Crown with wins, ERA and strikeouts leading the way in
all of those categories in the Big leagues. Made the
All Star team in twenty nineteen and it was here
in Cleveland, and won the Most Valuable Player award as
he struck out the side in his only inning of work.
And he will provide again more steadying influence in that clubhouse.
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And when we come back, we'll hear from Shane Bieber.
Great to catch up with him his interview next on
the Cleveland Clinic Guardians Radio Network.
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Speaker 2 (06:34):
Bieber's reading now the O two.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Strike three ball, he was guessing breaking ball, locked them
up with a fastball and canasion is biab seven strike
out victim. Welcome back to Guardian's Weekly, joining us now
Guardian's pitcher, and it's great to be able to say
that again. Shane Bieber back in the fold after signing
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a on track this past December, and he will complete
his rehab with Cleveland and hopefully be ready at some
point in time this season. And Shane, great to have
you on and great to know that you're back in
a Cleveland uniform.
Speaker 5 (07:12):
Thanks Rosie.
Speaker 6 (07:13):
Yeah, likewise, my family and I are extremely excited to
just stay in Cleveland and to see this out. And
there's a lot of unfinished business and yeah, I will
be ready and I will be ready to rock as
soon as possible and help contribute on the field.
Speaker 5 (07:26):
I can't wait for that.
Speaker 7 (07:28):
All.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Right, Before we get to the semi important stuff, the
really important stuff. When is the young Bieber gonna hit
the world. How's that going with you and Karen?
Speaker 6 (07:38):
I appreciate that preface. Yeah, perspectives are changing very quickly but.
Speaker 5 (07:44):
Very soon. My wife Kara, she's.
Speaker 6 (07:46):
Putting on an absolute clinic and she's doing fantastic in
her pregnancy. She's absolutely glowing and showing her beauty inside out.
So we're enjoying this process in this time, especially right
before training in the season starts and things get hectic
on I guess a bunch of different levels, like like
you kind of mentioned.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Well, certainly great news and hopefully everything continues to progress nicely.
And when you talk about progress, obviously you're coming back
from Tommy John surgery. Where are you in that process
now and what are some of the next steps that
you look forward to.
Speaker 5 (08:22):
Yeah, great question. I'm out to one hundred and twenty feet.
Speaker 6 (08:25):
I'm in a couple of weeks of throwing at one
hundred and twenty feet and relatively high intensity. I'm building
volume and intensity week by week, and I'm feeling really good, Rosie,
really encouraged with my progress and how steady everything's been.
I'm really just trying to do this as best as
I possibly can, leave no stone unturned, and you know,
(08:49):
I want to do this once, and I want to
do this right, and you know, get back as soon
as possible and be as strong as I possibly can
when I do get back on that big league mount.
So you know, I'm just trying to put one foot
in front of the other, and like I said, I'm
I'm I'm stretching out my catch play and hopefully i'll
touch around here soon. I'm learning a lot about myself
(09:09):
and just this process in general.
Speaker 5 (09:11):
It's you know, it's a.
Speaker 6 (09:12):
Whole new elbow, a whole new ligament that's getting activated
to an unnatural motion of throwing right. And my I
guess my old ligament had you know, twenty plus years
to do that. And so we're expediting this one in
in twelve months or whatever it may be. And so
I'm just enjoying the process. Everything's going extremely well, and
(09:34):
I'm happy to share that.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Hey, that old one serves you really well, by the way. Yeah, Yeah.
Shane Bieber joining us back with with Cleveland and Shane
talk about that process. What what when you look deep
into it, what was the determining factor to have you
re sign with Cleveland.
Speaker 6 (09:54):
There's so many Rosie, I can't narrow it down to
just one. You know, there's a, uh, I guess in
a sense, a lot of intangibles that came signing with Cleveland.
The familiarity, the comfortability, the love for the community and
the fans, and the love received from the community and
the fans and the organization and the people that really
(10:17):
make it go. It goes a long way. And my
wife and I really felt that since the moment we
stepped foot into progressive field and so just to have
those relationships both in the clubhouse, uh, in the media room,
in the locker room, on the field, in the training room,
and uh and with the coaching staff, I think it
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goes a long way. Especially the position that I'm in
right now, rehabbing from from Tommy John and you know,
hoping to be back.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
In the in the you know, middle of the season.
Speaker 6 (10:49):
And UH, it's just like I said, a lot of intangibles,
and we're just extatic to have that opportunity and to
receive that vote of confidence from you know, Cleveland and
they know where I'm at in my rehab process, and
you know, I didn't want to I didn't want to
go anywhere else, so we're very happy to be coming back.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
When you look back at last year, and I know,
just having visited with you during the season when you
came to town, you seem to just be looking forward
and trying to take those next steps. But was there
that point in time early on, especially with the start
that you had, where you just kind of thought out, Wow,
(11:31):
what could have been both personally and team wise too?
Speaker 6 (11:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (11:36):
Absolutely, Gusie. The question is just it was a gutshot.
Speaker 6 (11:40):
It really was, and it took a while for me
to go through those emotions and try and process it,
you know, healthily and correctly. And you know, I was
able to do that relatively quick, but didn't want to
force anything, and it was really difficult. And part of
what made it difficult is kind of the success that
I was able to pitch with even with elbow, And
(12:01):
ultimately it was it was pretty obvious when we got
the MRI and and spoke with you know, Cleveland's experts
and external experts and my surgeon who ended up doing it,
and doctor Keith Meister that you know, we had to
address this surgically, so it was really, uh, it was
a tough man.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
It was really tough having felt.
Speaker 6 (12:22):
So good in the offseason, and I thought I was past,
you know, any arm or elbow troubles, and unfortunately I
just wasn't. And it was a little bit inevitable, so
to speak. So I had to address it surgically, like
I said, And it was a gut shot. But all things,
I'm a believer that you know, things happen for a
reason and.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
And uh, and there's a path for for everything.
Speaker 6 (12:43):
And I really do feel like I've grown a lot
from this, both you know, professionally and personally, and so
I'm I'm excited to to get back on the mound
when the time is right, and and to help this
team win and uh for a playoff push and and
to and to mow down in the playoffs too.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
And they had a playoff bush a year ago and
and just a wonderful season. You were around several different times,
especially during the postseason. How important was that for you
to to be around that while your teammates we were
having that good success.
Speaker 6 (13:17):
Yeah, it was extremely important to me to my family
throughout the season as well. You know, I wasn't able
to be there the entire time. We send most of
our Tommy John guys too good year where you know,
you kind of get hands on care daily, and so
I was doing the lion share of my rehab there.
But you know, we we we spoke about that throughout
(13:38):
the season periodically, but the playoffs more specifically, it was awesome.
I was I was there to experience, to try and
provide any sort of value that I that I possibly could,
or wisdom or for for whoever, whether they were a pitcher, hitter, or.
Speaker 5 (13:59):
You know, whatever position.
Speaker 6 (14:00):
So I was happy to be there jack some life
if if the guys needed it, but they really didn't.
Speaker 5 (14:04):
They did fantastic all year. It was It was an
awesome season to watch.
Speaker 6 (14:08):
It was really difficult, you know, just being a competitor
and an athlete, and I was looking so forward to
the to the season you know that we had last year,
and so it was different, different.
Speaker 5 (14:21):
I had to watch it from a different perspective, but
you know, I was able to take it in and
enjoy it all the same.
Speaker 6 (14:27):
So I was happy to be there for those guys,
supporting them in their playoff moments.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Shane Bieber joining us back with the Guardians as he
comes back from Tommy John surgery and Shane you mentioned earlier,
there are just so many people involved to help you
in this situation, but also who have helped you become
the pitcher that you've been in the major leagues. And
I thought it was interesting CC Sabatia inducted or at
least voted into the Hall of Fame, will be inducted
(14:53):
this summer in cooper'stown, a long time Cleveland Indian, and
he gave so much credit to Carl Willis for really
shit who he became as a pitcher. And I know
there's a lot of different coaches that have touched you
along the years, but uh, what is Carl meant to you,
especially in recent seasons.
Speaker 5 (15:09):
Yeah, first of all, congratulations to cec.
Speaker 6 (15:12):
He and his family are incredible and they've done wonderful
things for the MLB and people all over. So I
was really happy to see him. There's never a doubt really,
but for him to get that recognition that he definitely
deserves was was awesome. And that for him to kind of,
(15:33):
you know, seek out and mentioned how much Carl has
done for him is is really truly special. It says
a lot about the person that Carl is the teacher
and the role model that that he can be for
not just CC but for everybody, and so it definitely
feel that way personally. He's a tremendous coach, a tremendous mentor,
(15:58):
and he's I mean, his resume speaks.
Speaker 5 (16:00):
To itself right and he does.
Speaker 6 (16:02):
He's done some incredible things with some incredible talents along
the way. So I'm really really happy to be to
be back and to be with the same crew and
Carls no exception there.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
And closing Shane Obviously, over the course of the off
season there have been some moves made as the team
tries to reconfigure itself and make another good postseason push.
What have you seen heading into the season and where's
your optimism level as you get closer to spring training.
Speaker 5 (16:32):
H Yeah, I mean I'm on my way back right
now from good year.
Speaker 6 (16:37):
Currently and been going in there just about daily, and
everybody's excited. Everybody that's coming in a lot more guys
coming in next week. Been touching base with them via text,
and everybody's doing really, really well and excited to get rolling,
that's for sure. Off season seems to go quicker and
quicker every year, but we're excited to get going for
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spring training, and yeah, there are moves that are made
and it's the same thing every offseason.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
It's I guess it's part of the job.
Speaker 6 (17:06):
And we're excited to you know, get into the get
into the swing of things with the first few days
of spring training and learn what this new group's all about.
And you know, the culture stays the same, even though
we rotate some names on the lockers, and you know, the.
Speaker 5 (17:21):
End goal is always the same, so we're excited to
work towards that.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Well, it's great to have you back and being a
part of that at some point in time this summer.
Shane Bieber, thanks so much for coming.
Speaker 5 (17:30):
By, Rosie. I appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Thank you at Shane Bieber. Always great to catch up
with Shane and he is really looking forward to getting
back on the mound and again, ye he wants to
take it cautious and not skip any steps. And Cleveland's
rehab and training staff or a adamant about that and
getting players back to full health before they turn them loose.
They did a great job with Matthew Boyd a year
(17:54):
ago when he came back. He was a big key
down the stretch coming off. Tommy John Surgery, and they'll
look to do the same with Shane Bieber coming up
next season. When we come back, we'll hear from Paul Hoynes,
the longtime writer for the Cleveland Plaindealer in Cleveland dot Com.
We'll talk Hall of Fame voting. Three new members going
in in Cooperstown in July. That's next on the Cleveland
(18:14):
Clinic Guardians Radio.
Speaker 8 (18:16):
Network from Jacobs Field in downtown Cleveland, Ohio. It is
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game number five as today the Cleveland Indians and the
Baltimore Orioles play in the rubber match of this three
game series. Let's face it, guys, all eyes today are
on a twenty year old behemoth of a young man
six seven cc Sabathia. You don't have many of these
special moments this early in the year.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
This should be something.
Speaker 9 (19:00):
Well and what you begin to wonder, Tom and we
shall see whether this defines the Indians franchise now for
the next ten to twelve years. This is one kid
who they have been pointing to as a part of
the future, and the future has arrived for cc SA.
Speaker 8 (19:15):
Matthews Brady Anderson leads off the wind in the very
first Major League Golf bring us as straight for CC
Samathia a ninety five mile an hour fastball, and Brady
Anderson got a quick look at the future.
Speaker 6 (19:30):
Here's a fun place to play.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
I really love this city, really enjoy it, and this
place holds a special place in my heart.
Speaker 6 (19:36):
I wish we would won the championship.
Speaker 10 (19:38):
He's had a Hall of Fame caliber career both on
and off the field, because not only is he an
exceedingly good competitor, but he's universally respected as a teammate
and as a leader in the clubhouse.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Welcome back to Guardians Weekly, and it's been a big
weekend baseball as the Hall of Fame votevoting was announced
and heading into the Hall of Fame longtime closer Billy Wagner,
one of the best hitters of his generation both here
and in Japan. Each ye row and someone near and
there to Cleveland fans certainly see see Sabbatia he'll be
(20:16):
going in as well. And we are joined now by
Paul Hoyins from the Cleveland Plaindealer Cleveland dot com, longtime
baseball writer with a vote in terms of Hall of
Fame and hoyinsey no surprises really for you that the
three that got in and maybe some that did not.
Speaker 11 (20:33):
No, Rosie, I thought all three of those guys, CEC
each Row and Billy Wagner would get in. You know,
I had a little concern about CC maybe not making
it on the first ballot, but you know, I'm glad
he did.
Speaker 12 (20:50):
So, Yeah, I had, and I voted for all three
of those guys. Rosie and for CC.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
What were those concerns that you thought might leave him
off on that first ballot?
Speaker 11 (21:02):
Well, you know, he has a high ERA uh you
know postseason uh you know, record is not is you know,
it's not great. It's not you know, as as uh
you know, as prominent as his regular season stats. But
other than that, I you know, I just you know,
you know, people are hung up on the ERA issue.
(21:24):
It kept uh you know, Jack Morris out of the
out of the balloting for the at least for the
Baseball writers, uh you know, and he finally had to
get elected by an ERA committee.
Speaker 12 (21:36):
Uh So well, you know that that was my one concern.
Speaker 11 (21:38):
But I think when you look at CC's body of
work and uh, you know, two hundred and fifty one wins,
he wins the World Series Championship, Uh, Cy Young winner
and Rosie the way.
Speaker 12 (21:53):
Managers use starters.
Speaker 11 (21:54):
Now, what do you think, do you think we'll ever
see another pitcher like this win two hundred and fifty
one games? I mean, you know so, so then you know,
I think that that was enough in my mind to
you know, to put him in the in Cooper's South.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Yeah, I think two hundred wins is the new three
hundred that it used to be, just the way starting
pitchers are being used now, and it might be, gosh,
two fifty one might be just too far of a
reach now based on on the lack of innings and
not going five and all that kind of kind of
thing that you see nowadays much more often. Did Did
(22:35):
that maybe tip it for Billy Wagner? Just the way
he performed as a reliever, And you might see more
relievers getting in because of how they're used.
Speaker 11 (22:45):
Yeah, well, you know, i'd like, I'm glad the closers
are getting more of a run now. You know, Wagner,
this was his last year of eligibility. He had, you know,
just missed last year seventy three point eight percent of
the vote. He needs seventy five percent to get in,
So you know, I was glad I was, you know,
(23:05):
I was happy that he got in. I mean he
kind of cut short his career short. You know, he
wanted to go home and be with his kids. I think,
you know, he still had a couple of years left
and and another guy that didn't pitch all that well
in the postseason. But you know, twelve seasons a twenty
or more saves, nine seasons with thirty or more, you know,
(23:27):
four hundred and twenty two saves overall two point three
one era.
Speaker 12 (23:33):
You know, I think he deserved to be in, Rosie and.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
With each yearro how much did you consider his Japanese
career or is that not on the docket for you
guys to to consider a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 11 (23:47):
Yeah, I mean you can consider that, I guess, you know,
if you know, if you do that, he's got over
four thousand hits, right.
Speaker 12 (23:53):
But I think he got it.
Speaker 11 (23:55):
I just took it, as you know, you know from
his big league stats, and you know, it's really amazing
when you think about it. This guy was twenty seven
when he came over here, Rosie, when he came over
from Japan, and what the Onyx Blue Waves he played with,
I think and this guy what he still gets three
(24:16):
thousand hits here, ten time Goal Globe winner, a Rookie
of the Year, ten time All Star, and the thing
that kind of blows your mind, you know what what
he had ten ten straight seasons of two hundred or
more hits, and you know, he set the all time
record with you know, over two hundred and sixty hits
(24:38):
in one year.
Speaker 12 (24:40):
Just you know, that's incredible.
Speaker 11 (24:43):
And you know, I remember Rosie when the when the
idiots first got there, they got their first look at
each row. You know, that was when they had Robbie
Alamar at second base and omarv. Skelle at second at
short I said, I should say, and those guys, you
know what about twenty five maybe almost close to thirty
(25:04):
gold gloves between them, and when they from they got
the first look at each row. The first game, you know,
he kind of beat out a couple infield hits.
Speaker 12 (25:13):
They had to move up, you know, they had to
move in.
Speaker 11 (25:15):
Both you know, you're talking about two of the best
infielders in baseball history, you know, showing their respect for
this guy. They had to take a couple of steps
in to play their positions just just to be able
to throw them out.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
So with all that, one voter said, no, he does
not deserve to go in. Yet that wasn't you.
Speaker 12 (25:35):
Was it Hointy, No, it wasn't us. Thank god, How
does that happen?
Speaker 3 (25:40):
Though?
Speaker 12 (25:42):
You know, I don't know.
Speaker 11 (25:43):
You know, you look back at the history of the
Hall of Fame. You know, Mariano Rivere is the only
guy with you know that that got one hundred percent
of the vote. You know, Johnny Bench didn't, Babe Ruth didn't,
Honus Wagner didn't.
Speaker 12 (25:55):
You know, Roberto Clemente didn't. You know. All in all,
you know, go down the line with the greatest players
in the history of the game.
Speaker 11 (26:03):
None of them got, you know, one hundred percent of
the vote except you know Rivera. So you know, I
don't know what point this the voter was trying to prove.
I'd love to hear an explanation from him or her,
but you know, I doubt they'll make that ballot public.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Willie Mays, I think was left off twenty three ballots
on his first year or the year he got in.
Something remarkable in the amount of people who didn't think
he was a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 11 (26:33):
But and I think, you know, I think that the
voting body has changed a lot, or Rosie, I think
it's gotten younger, and I think that leads to more
the potential for more guys to get in. On one
hundred percent of the vote, I'm still scratching my head
over each ear.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Although Paul Hoynes joining us as his ballot was in
and the Hall of Fame voting is complete with C. C. Sabatia,
Ichi Ro and Billy Agner going in. So you voted
for ten, so seven did not make it biggest surprise
for you that you voted for that did not get in.
Speaker 11 (27:09):
You know, I thought Carlos Beltran would get in, Rosie.
I thought he had a great chance, and he came close.
I think he'll get in in the next couple of years.
Speaker 12 (27:18):
I don't know.
Speaker 11 (27:19):
People are still holding the Houston signed seats stealing scandal
against them. That might, you know, have hurt him. But
I think eventually he's going to get in.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
And some of the others that you voted for that
did not get in, that you feel are still worthy.
Speaker 11 (27:36):
Yeah, I'll run down the guys I voted for, Mark Burley,
Tory Hunter, Andrew Jones, Dustin Pedroia, Francisco Rodriguez.
Speaker 12 (27:53):
And Omar Viscal. Those are the guys I voted for
that didn't get in.
Speaker 11 (27:59):
You know, we can talk about the and you are
you interested in talking about any of those guys.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Yeah, I think so. I'm obviously close to Cleveland fans
Omarvis skel Uh. Even even if off field things are resolved,
has it been too much to overcome at this point?
Speaker 12 (28:17):
Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 11 (28:18):
I think he's you know, unfortunately, I think Omar if
he does get in the Hall of Fame, it's not
going to be.
Speaker 12 (28:24):
By a vote of the writers.
Speaker 11 (28:26):
It'll have to be by one of the era committees,
you know, slash veteran committees. Because you know, Rosie, this
guy should be in the Hall of Fame. You know,
three or four years into his candidacy, he was at
fifty one percent of the vote, so you know that
was you know, he was passing guys like Trammel and
those guys like they were standing still.
Speaker 12 (28:47):
So he's right now he should be in.
Speaker 11 (28:49):
But you know, the problems off the field really scuttled
his uh, his chances to get in on the BBWA ballot.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
I thought it was interesting. Chipper Jones, a teammate of
Andrew Jones came out yesterday and said, well, if he
had been with the Yankees, he'd be in by now.
But you voted for Andrew Jones? How come? And and
does he have a chance to get in at some
point in time?
Speaker 11 (29:16):
You think, yeah, I think he was at like I
think he got probably sixty percent of the vote, you know,
right around sixty percent of the vote. This year, you
know this, he'll be in. He'll have two years of
eligibility left. Hopefully he gets in. And you know I
voted for him. Rosie, five time All Star, ten time
Gold Glove winner, twenty or more home runs for ten years,
(29:41):
led led the National League and home runs with fifty
one in two thousand and five. Just you know, I think,
what what what is Hurty Jones is? You know, his
career kind of it took off. You know, we saw
him as a teenager break in with the praise, you know,
have that meteor oric rye. And then he got to
(30:01):
a certain point in his career and it was just
like he fell off a cliff. And I think that
that probably hurt him, has hurt him more than anything.
Speaker 12 (30:08):
But if you go by peak years, I mean, this
guy's this guy's hard to ignore you.
Speaker 11 (30:13):
I mean, you listened to all those great pitchers that
the Braves had, Smolts and Clavi and Maddox. They said
they've never seen a better center fielder. So you know,
I think that carries some weight with the voters.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
And the one guy that I liked that you you've
had on for a couple of years now is Mark Burley,
And not even looking at the numbers, I think he
should be in just because gosh, I enjoyed watching that
guy pitch. And I don't know if that comes into
play or not. Probably not. It's got to be numbers too,
But why do you think Burley should be in there?
Speaker 11 (30:48):
Yeah? I mean when Burley pitched, Rosie, you know, you
didn't have to pack of lunch, man, you were out
of there, and what one fifty nine two hours in
a couple of minutes it was, you know, so he
pitched fast, he was efficient. You know, just just listen
to some of these numbers. Rosie in fourteen years in
(31:09):
the Big League, in fourteen years is during his career
he pitched over two hundred innings in each of those seasons,
five time All Star, four time Gold Glove winner, through
a perfect game, threw a no hitter.
Speaker 12 (31:23):
I really think he's an underappreciated pitcher. And you know,
I voted for him.
Speaker 11 (31:30):
The first couple of years on the ballot, I didn't
vote for him, but then I looked at his stats
a little more.
Speaker 12 (31:35):
And if you want.
Speaker 11 (31:36):
Consistency out of a starting pitcher, and that's what everybody wants,
you want a guy that can get you five, six,
seven innings every time out.
Speaker 12 (31:44):
That's he did that. And you know that's why I
voted for him.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Well, when you watched them pitch, you don't see it
as much anymore. Pitchers who pitched the contact, put the
ball in play and let their fielders do the work.
And he was a pleasure to watch. We'll see probably
a long shot at best, I would think, Yeah, so
you look ahead the next year. Any locks you think
for for next season coming on the ballot, Yeah, you know.
Speaker 6 (32:10):
I have.
Speaker 12 (32:11):
I have not really looked at that, but I haven't
really studied those guys.
Speaker 11 (32:14):
I don't think there's an each row or a CC
on on the two thousand and six ballot.
Speaker 12 (32:21):
We'll have to see.
Speaker 11 (32:21):
I think it's you know, and that's kind of opens
the ballot up to a lot of the guys.
Speaker 12 (32:26):
That we just discussed, and maybe they'll they'll get a
little more play from the voters.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
All right, Oinsey, Well, always great to have you on
to talk about Hall of Fame voting. If you want
to come clean about the each Row thing and admit
that it was you not voting for him, you can
do that here one last chance. But if not, I understand.
Speaker 12 (32:46):
Now, I'm staying away from that. Or Rosie, I voted
for the guy you can look up. You can look
look it up on my ballot on February fourth.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Sounds good. Thanks Heinsy. All right, budd At Paul Hoins
from playing deealer Cleveland dot com, the Hall of Fame
voter going through his ballot, and it's always fun to
talk about some of the greats of the game from
not too long ago now, and congratulations to C. C. Sabbatia,
Billy Wagner and heat you Row. They'll be going into
Cooperstown this summer. Stay tuned more to come after this.
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