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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Age twenty one thirteen ten WYBA and asked the experts
brought to you by hams Arborcare. The website hams Arborcare
dot com. That's h A m ms arborcare dot com.
Delphy number eight six six five nine six five three
nine six. That's eight six six five nine six five
three nine six, and again the website Hamsarborcare dot com.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
That's h A m ms arborcare dot com. And joining
us this morning is master arborist Kevin Ham. Kevin, how
you doing this week?
Speaker 3 (00:31):
I'm doing good, Sean.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
It's a little bit of rain this morning, but yeah,
just a little little drizzle, just enough. I don't know
if we needed it or not. I'm guessing this time
of year we could probably always use a little all right,
am I am?
Speaker 3 (00:44):
I off on that? Or no we can We're not
like saturated.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Okay. Uh.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Before we get to this week's conversation, we got a
bunch of really important stuff to touch on. But you
had texted me something and it really piqued my interest,
which was a unique ash tree that you discovered here
in Madison.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Is it the fact that we actually there is still
an ash tree living?
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Yeah? Yeah, so I walk up to this tree. They
asked for it to be prune, to have some dead
wood in it, and it's it's just screaming white ash
to me, you know, you knows. I As I walk
up through tree, I'm observing the bark and different things.
So I'm looking at the bark. It's a thirty inch
(01:31):
diameter tree, so it's pretty formidable. And and I'm walking
up to it and it looks like quick essential ash decline,
you know, from the boar. And and so I'm looking
at the bay to see if it's ever been treated,
because it's actually in really good shape, and I'm not
seeing any treatment, you know. And so I'm like, wow, this.
(01:53):
And I looked up and it has a simple leak,
which means that it's like each leaf has a you know,
a single petiole and a single leaf like a elm
or a maple. And ash typically is a compound leaf.
Yeah in eight ly compound leaf. So it has leaflets
(02:16):
on both sides of the petiole, usually nine to you
know eleven, you know, seven to nine, you know somewhere
in there of these multiple leaflets and then one at
the end. And so it's very distinct and this had
a simple leaf and it was it was kind of
had some some epicormic sprouts, and it was acting like
(02:38):
it was had bor activity in it. And and so
I'm like, well, ASH is a countpound leaf. It's not ASH.
So I'm looking at man, I've seen this once before
and it was helped me. It was like years ago.
I think there's one in Portage. And so I, you know,
I've got a community forty thousand strong all over the world.
(03:01):
So I put out a video, you know, okay, you know,
the master versus the stuff. And I start getting you know,
all kinds of bonds back, and they're all wrong except
once that you know, oh European ASH. And I got
in touch with somebody that you know, used to work
(03:21):
for me, that works in Madison, and he is just
a nerd on dendrology. Gendrology is the study of names, right,
and and so he and he says, oh, yeah, there's
there's a simple leaf ASH, a European cultivar of Fraxinis excelsioru,
(03:46):
the Hessey cultivar. I'm like, really, yeah, Actually, there's a
simple leaf ASH in Southwest United States, and there's one
in Mexico and there's one in China. Well, the European
ash cultivar is probably crossed with the Chinese one, which
(04:07):
would explain why it's still a lot because they grew
up with the border, so it has some resistance to
the boarder. But it still has got two big branches signed.
So all of a sudden, now I'm recommending you know,
a pruning and a treatment and we can probably get
(04:28):
this tree bounced back because it's it's a lot tougher
than your typical ash because of that Chinese strain that's
probably in there. So yeah, very unique around here. There's
probably I don't know, you know, Son, there's a lot
of esoteric trees in Madison. There's a bunch of you know,
(04:48):
master gardeners and geeks over the years that have purchased
atypical trees and put them in their yards. And this
would be one of them. And it wasn't really in
a you know, a high end neighborhood or somewhere where,
but somebody got a hold of the European ash and
they put it in their yard, you know, fifty years ago.
(05:09):
How cool is that? Oh yeah, kind of kind of
a neat thing that is very cool to.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Come across and and for folks that you know, obviously
start a treatment on that tree. For other folks that
still have ash trees, I know that there have been
a number that have been been preserved, and I know
you've been working on. If they've got one, that's uh,
that's standing. And otherwise, I mean there are still treatments.
You guys are still keeping those guys going, aren't you. Yeah,
(05:36):
you know, and.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
You'll get you'll get mixed opinions out there, you know,
I'm and of course you can always get them online. Right,
there's any number of people with opinions online and I
just cut them all down. And it's a way. But
there are ash trees in Michigan. You know that where
(05:57):
it was the epicenter. It came over to Detro from
China on palette, you know, the palette would was ash
and then these borders emerged. That's how it got here
and and so uh, you know, but they were treated
early and there they still exist and then the population
(06:18):
of the boarder subsequently crashes when the ash population crashes,
and then it becomes much more manageable. So if you
can keep your tree alive. And I just spoke with
a client today or yesterday. He was early adoptor. He
was treating way back and somehow, you know, he lost
(06:38):
one of his ash trees through through the years about
three years ago, and the second one, you know, looks
like it's struggling, and he's just like, how could this be?
You know, he says, do you have other ash trees
that are looking better? I said, yeah, you know, and
then we started treating them later than yours. So their
months event. It was in sun Prairie. You know, there
must have been a big population of of bores, and
(07:02):
so it's like a death by a thousand cuts. It
just laid thousands of eggs on this tree and and
they and the product can only kill so many, you know,
or something to that effect. And so we we arrived
at the solution that well, let's you know, treat it
one more time here and in two years the treat
is probably still going to be alive, and maybe maybe
(07:24):
it gets beyond this population enough that it's going to
make a comeback. Because the ash are actually very resilient,
and so anyone who's been treating their ash tree, uh
through the years, it is possible to get it through
this this wave. And we're on the decline of the skert.
(07:45):
And I don't know why they call it an skert.
It's more like a camel back. They should call it
camel cut down and we're on the downslope.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
That's It's it's great to hear that. And then for
folks that have been treating I'm really thankful that they've
been doing that because they're great trees, and obviously having
a variety of different trees is really beneficial. And Kevin
one final thing too before we wrap up this week.
I know there are certain times you get certain calls
that are kind of repetitive, a lot of folks wondering, like,
(08:18):
what's going on with my maple? And I know you've
gotten a couple of folks saying, Hey, what's going on
with my maple? And I'm gonna ask you what's going
on with the maples?
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Yeah, Well it's called samara, okay, And that's the seed
of the maple, the helicopter. Yes, we all know them
as helicopter. Yes. And this time of year they're ripening
and so they're really brown. And a lot of times
a silver maple will put all of its energy into
the tomara and it suppresses the leaf expansion, and so
(08:49):
you look at your tree and it's brown, and you
know the exact request that the top of my maple
looks really bad. I'm concerned, and I'm like, I know
what it is. They're ripening and they're falling all over
the yard and in a few, you know, a couple
of weeks, those weaves will be full sizes and the
(09:12):
tree will looks beautiful. So that's what it is. Elms
will get that too. Uh. We don't have a lot
of elms anymore, but they're prolific speed producers. And there
their seed is called the samara as well. It's a
little round disc and they turned brown on the tree
(09:33):
and then fall.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Not as exciting as the as the worldly birds the maples. Yes, well,
I just I still remember in elementary school there was
one on our way home, and you know, you pick
them up and you throw them up. And a great
way to uh, to spread the tree around. The propagation
of said trees by school kids to carry around your seat.
It's not a bad not a bad not a bad system.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
So it's it's a great as we talk with with Kevin,
and of course we are now getting into spring and
then summer, and it's a really good day to have
Kevin and the team take a look at tree. Maybe
you've got some concerns, maybe you've got some questions, great
day for that. Even if you have no questions or concerns,
just want to have your trees check out checked out.
It's also a good day for that as well. If
you haven't had them inspected recently, you can save yourself
(10:19):
and save that tree a lot of a lot of
hardship if you simply have the tree inspected. I can
just pick up phone going a call eight sixty six
five nine six five three nine six. That's eight six
six five nine six five three nine six. Of course,
get more information online heym'sarborcare dot com. That's h a
m msarborcare dot com. Kevin, it's always great chatting with you.
You have a fantastic day stage Ryan. We'll talk real soon.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Thank you, Sean, take care.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
You do the same news is next year on thirteen ten.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Double you iby I
Age twenty one thirteen ten WYBA and asked the experts
brought to you by hams Arborcare. The website hams Arborcare
dot com. That's h A m ms arborcare dot com.
Delphy number eight six six five nine six five three
nine six. That's eight six six five nine six five
three nine six, and again the website Hamsarborcare dot com.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
That's h A m ms arborcare dot com. And joining
us this morning is master arborist Kevin Ham. Kevin, how
you doing this week?
Speaker 3 (00:31):
I'm doing good, Sean.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
It's a little bit of rain this morning, but yeah,
just a little little drizzle, just enough. I don't know
if we needed it or not. I'm guessing this time
of year we could probably always use a little all right,
am I am?
Speaker 3 (00:44):
I off on that? Or no we can We're not
like saturated.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Okay. Uh.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Before we get to this week's conversation, we got a
bunch of really important stuff to touch on. But you
had texted me something and it really piqued my interest,
which was a unique ash tree that you discovered here
in Madison.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Is it the fact that we actually there is still
an ash tree living?
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Yeah? Yeah, so I walk up to this tree. They
asked for it to be prune, to have some dead
wood in it, and it's it's just screaming white ash
to me, you know, you knows. I As I walk
up through tree, I'm observing the bark and different things.
So I'm looking at the bark. It's a thirty inch
(01:31):
diameter tree, so it's pretty formidable. And and I'm walking
up to it and it looks like quick essential ash decline,
you know, from the boar. And and so I'm looking
at the bay to see if it's ever been treated,
because it's actually in really good shape, and I'm not
seeing any treatment, you know. And so I'm like, wow, this.
(01:53):
And I looked up and it has a simple leak,
which means that it's like each leaf has a you know,
a single petiole and a single leaf like a elm
or a maple. And ash typically is a compound leaf.
Yeah in eight ly compound leaf. So it has leaflets
(02:16):
on both sides of the petiole, usually nine to you
know eleven, you know, seven to nine, you know somewhere
in there of these multiple leaflets and then one at
the end. And so it's very distinct and this had
a simple leaf and it was it was kind of
had some some epicormic sprouts, and it was acting like
(02:38):
it was had bor activity in it. And and so
I'm like, well, ASH is a countpound leaf. It's not ASH.
So I'm looking at man, I've seen this once before
and it was helped me. It was like years ago.
I think there's one in Portage. And so I, you know,
I've got a community forty thousand strong all over the world.
(03:01):
So I put out a video, you know, okay, you know,
the master versus the stuff. And I start getting you know,
all kinds of bonds back, and they're all wrong except
once that you know, oh European ASH. And I got
in touch with somebody that you know, used to work
(03:21):
for me, that works in Madison, and he is just
a nerd on dendrology. Gendrology is the study of names, right,
and and so he and he says, oh, yeah, there's
there's a simple leaf ASH, a European cultivar of Fraxinis excelsioru,
(03:46):
the Hessey cultivar. I'm like, really, yeah, Actually, there's a
simple leaf ASH in Southwest United States, and there's one
in Mexico and there's one in China. Well, the European
ash cultivar is probably crossed with the Chinese one, which
(04:07):
would explain why it's still a lot because they grew
up with the border, so it has some resistance to
the boarder. But it still has got two big branches signed.
So all of a sudden, now I'm recommending you know,
a pruning and a treatment and we can probably get
(04:28):
this tree bounced back because it's it's a lot tougher
than your typical ash because of that Chinese strain that's
probably in there. So yeah, very unique around here. There's
probably I don't know, you know, Son, there's a lot
of esoteric trees in Madison. There's a bunch of you know,
(04:48):
master gardeners and geeks over the years that have purchased
atypical trees and put them in their yards. And this
would be one of them. And it wasn't really in
a you know, a high end neighborhood or somewhere where,
but somebody got a hold of the European ash and
they put it in their yard, you know, fifty years ago.
(05:09):
How cool is that? Oh yeah, kind of kind of
a neat thing that is very cool to.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Come across and and for folks that you know, obviously
start a treatment on that tree. For other folks that
still have ash trees, I know that there have been
a number that have been been preserved, and I know
you've been working on. If they've got one, that's uh,
that's standing. And otherwise, I mean there are still treatments.
You guys are still keeping those guys going, aren't you. Yeah,
(05:36):
you know, and.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
You'll get you'll get mixed opinions out there, you know,
I'm and of course you can always get them online. Right,
there's any number of people with opinions online and I
just cut them all down. And it's a way. But
there are ash trees in Michigan. You know that where
(05:57):
it was the epicenter. It came over to Detro from
China on palette, you know, the palette would was ash
and then these borders emerged. That's how it got here
and and so uh, you know, but they were treated
early and there they still exist and then the population
(06:18):
of the boarder subsequently crashes when the ash population crashes,
and then it becomes much more manageable. So if you
can keep your tree alive. And I just spoke with
a client today or yesterday. He was early adoptor. He
was treating way back and somehow, you know, he lost
(06:38):
one of his ash trees through through the years about
three years ago, and the second one, you know, looks
like it's struggling, and he's just like, how could this be?
You know, he says, do you have other ash trees
that are looking better? I said, yeah, you know, and
then we started treating them later than yours. So their
months event. It was in sun Prairie. You know, there
must have been a big population of of bores, and
(07:02):
so it's like a death by a thousand cuts. It
just laid thousands of eggs on this tree and and
they and the product can only kill so many, you know,
or something to that effect. And so we we arrived
at the solution that well, let's you know, treat it
one more time here and in two years the treat
is probably still going to be alive, and maybe maybe
(07:24):
it gets beyond this population enough that it's going to
make a comeback. Because the ash are actually very resilient,
and so anyone who's been treating their ash tree, uh
through the years, it is possible to get it through
this this wave. And we're on the decline of the skert.
(07:45):
And I don't know why they call it an skert.
It's more like a camel back. They should call it
camel cut down and we're on the downslope.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
That's It's it's great to hear that. And then for
folks that have been treating I'm really thankful that they've
been doing that because they're great trees, and obviously having
a variety of different trees is really beneficial. And Kevin
one final thing too before we wrap up this week.
I know there are certain times you get certain calls
that are kind of repetitive, a lot of folks wondering, like,
(08:18):
what's going on with my maple? And I know you've
gotten a couple of folks saying, Hey, what's going on
with my maple? And I'm gonna ask you what's going
on with the maples?
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Yeah, Well it's called samara, okay, And that's the seed
of the maple, the helicopter. Yes, we all know them
as helicopter. Yes. And this time of year they're ripening
and so they're really brown. And a lot of times
a silver maple will put all of its energy into
the tomara and it suppresses the leaf expansion, and so
(08:49):
you look at your tree and it's brown, and you
know the exact request that the top of my maple
looks really bad. I'm concerned, and I'm like, I know
what it is. They're ripening and they're falling all over
the yard and in a few, you know, a couple
of weeks, those weaves will be full sizes and the
(09:12):
tree will looks beautiful. So that's what it is. Elms
will get that too. Uh. We don't have a lot
of elms anymore, but they're prolific speed producers. And there
their seed is called the samara as well. It's a
little round disc and they turned brown on the tree
(09:33):
and then fall.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Not as exciting as the as the worldly birds the maples. Yes, well,
I just I still remember in elementary school there was
one on our way home, and you know, you pick
them up and you throw them up. And a great
way to uh, to spread the tree around. The propagation
of said trees by school kids to carry around your seat.
It's not a bad not a bad not a bad system.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
So it's it's a great as we talk with with Kevin,
and of course we are now getting into spring and
then summer, and it's a really good day to have
Kevin and the team take a look at tree. Maybe
you've got some concerns, maybe you've got some questions, great
day for that. Even if you have no questions or concerns,
just want to have your trees check out checked out.
It's also a good day for that as well. If
you haven't had them inspected recently, you can save yourself
(10:19):
and save that tree a lot of a lot of
hardship if you simply have the tree inspected. I can
just pick up phone going a call eight sixty six
five nine six five three nine six. That's eight six
six five nine six five three nine six. Of course,
get more information online heym'sarborcare dot com. That's h a
m msarborcare dot com. Kevin, it's always great chatting with you.
You have a fantastic day stage Ryan. We'll talk real soon.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Thank you, Sean, take care.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
You do the same news is next year on thirteen ten.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Double you iby I
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