June 25, 2023 • 69 mins
Abigail Martinez says the deceptive practices of the Los Angeles County Department of Children and Family Services, along with school officials, played a part in the suicide of her 19-year-old daughter Yaeli. Abigail talks about the struggles her daughter had growing up, trying to fit in at school, the usual stresses of a young student. But Abigail says instead of letting her take care of her daughter the county stepped in and allowed the school to indoctrinate her daughter into a transgender lifestyle including facilitating a judge to approve of cross-gender therapy without her consent. Her daughter ended up kneeling in front of a fast-moving train in Pomona, California.
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I want you to just start atthe beginning. Okay. Well, um,
everything started when my daughter Yaily wasthirteen years old, going into websites
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trying to you know how kids arevery curious about, you know, the
world. So twenty fourteen is whenshe started high school. Yes, uh
freshman year. It was no aboutgoing back. It started she was suicide
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or when she was in middle schoolshe overdose. Um when she was in
I believe eight seven eighth grade betweenthat time and I went to the school
and you know, I let it. When I find out about that,
I you know, I was worried. I was worried. I asked her
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what was going on? And sheyou're not she had depression. So I
dropped her off at the school,but I went and talked to the principle
to award them what was going onwith my daughter. You know, I
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was trying to get some sort ofhelp, keep an eye on her.
And when she started high school iswhen things when he changed drama. She
was going to this phase, uhyou know, from going you know,
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dressing like a girly girl or loanboots short and you know, she was
like a fashion girl, changing styles, hairstyle. So she starting to catch
herself too. That's when I wasworried about that. I talked to her.
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She never say anything. She justsaid, oh, it's nothing,
it's nothing. So that you knowmiddle school, you know, they sent
that record to the high school,right, so they knew that she was
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going through, you know, depression. But I never imagine that they will
lead her to go to these groupsLGBTQ groups. So I didn't know.
I didn't realize I do. Youknow, she was very acting, strange,
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sad, mad, and you know, try to get her help,
you know, send her to atherapist so she can talk to If she
doesn't talk to me, she cantalk to someone, right, So that's
what I did. At the endof freshman. Freshman year, she was
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okay. Summertime. All summers itwas like a different I had a different
Jaily at home. But during theschool year she started, you not dressing
just T shirts and jeans, Tshirts and jeans, little beanies hat.
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So I asked her, or canwe go you know, shopping, you
need anything else? And she said, well, I just want to clothes.
Maybe you're not gonna like and Isaid, well, you know,
I want you to, you know, be happy. You know, like
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you're always being you know, changingyour styles, and you know, gave
him gaving her ideas. She saidno. But at the end, well
that was the whole year. Shebut jings and T shirt, that's all
she wanted. I didn't want topush her while you're doing this. And
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then she started talking about that shelike and she might like girls. You
know, the kids go to thesefaces trying to identify their self, who
they are, what they like.So I let her, you know decide,
you know, and I was doingmy homework, my head and what's
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going on. Um. Then shestart, you know, tenth grade.
So things were just very she changedher you know, moods her. Uh.
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He didn't want to spend time withus, and I almost forced her
to be with us. We haveactivities, let's go, let's go out
to dinner. I tried to haveone on one with my kids. I
am a mother of four. Soand she starting to, oh, no,
I don't want to go out,Oh let's go. This is our
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day. So everything was you knowchanging, uh, you know, it
was not Yaily. So when shefinished tenth grade, summertime, she was
supposed to go to take some summerclass because her grades were load. I
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went to school, I had allthose meetings you know, before the school
and you know, almost the wholeyear, you know, meetings and how
can you help my daughter her gradesare dropped, and you know, asking
questions I asked for IP. Iwas trying to get her the help that
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she needs, you know, academicallyand mentally too, so both at the
same time. And we talked,we came, you know, I talked
to them. You know, mydaughter's going to depression and I just trying
to help her. So maybe ifyou gave her more time to yeah,
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And it was hard for me forthem to have an i EP, but
I requested because my daughter, Iseemed like she needed more time to finish
that her test um, trying tosee if they can motivate her to you
know, catch up with work thatshe was behind. And uh, the
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school seemed like it was helping,but they never told me that they were
helping her on her way because shewas send it to LGBTQ, trying to
make her feel figure out if maybeshe was transgender. And then my daughter
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came with these ideas that you know, I'm not a girl, I'm a
boy. I'm I'm a girl,but I'm a boy trap in the girl's
body, and this is not whoI am. I'm a boy, and
you know, she was dressing asa boy. Um into auson and fourteen.
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I think CPS was in my housebecause I because I took her to
the hospital once because she drink alot of allergy pills, so I was
worried about it. I took herto the hospital on that year and she
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was in middle school. So theycheck her out and say, I think
she's okay, oh okay, socan I take her back home? And
she They told me, oh no, when these cases are you know,
happened, we have to call CPS. So I said, bout why no,
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you have to wait to hold asocial worker. So I had a
social worker on the idea trying checkin the house, talking with my other
kids, trying to figure out whatwas going on. So they couldn't find
anything. They on that year,I believe since freshman year, the high
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school was working on, you know, trying to convince her. And she
had a friend who it was nota classmate because this girl was older than
my daughter, but she identified herselfas a transiender. So they were pretty
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good friends. I didn't know aboutthat situation. So but when that happened
that this girl was very close tomy daughter. At the end of the
school year, she was, youknow, the whole year, freshman,
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sophomore year, she was very youknow, like, uh, it was
not Gaily. She went to schoolbut not happy and she felt so and
she was always anxious. She wasalways like looking around and I, Jaily,
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are you okay? Do you likethe school? And she said,
yeah, it's okay, okay,we can switch school. If you're not
comfortable going then no, no,I can't do that. So, you
know, conversations like that we hadit because I was trying to figure out.
So at the end of the tenthgrade she had to go to summer
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school. She was dressing as apractically as a boy shirt tennis jinks and
that was it. Summertime. Shewas like, oh, mom, I
thought this closed online. So Isaid, okay, she's going into this
other face because I was walking throughall her faces, right, she liked
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this today, not tomorrow. Shedidn't like it, so I just put
it away. So on that yearshe was going to summer school and she
asked me to buy her new clothso I was happy and I said,
Okay, oh my gosh, it'smy Jailee again. So she was skirt
short dresses and you know, nameit, all the girly girl stuff.
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Because she got a hair cat withoutmy permission. With this period at school,
she I bet she didn't feel herself. So she asked me, I
can buy her some hair extensions andI said yeah, So I said,
why don't we do this, tryto get you know, catch up with
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your schoolwork, and we're gonna orderyou know, the cloth. And she
was begging me every day and Isaid, let's sit down and show me
what you like. So we orderall those you know, girly girls clothes
and and then she was. Shewas happy the whole you know summer,
even a boy from the summer school. She really liked this guy. So
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she was happy. But before shewas going into into eleventh grade, she
like days before the subscritions and allthat that we have to go back and
sign her in and get the booksand everything. She even shows that the
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outfit for that day, the outfitfor the first day of school, and
you know that they came and Iasked, okay, Jay, get ready,
and I was so excited and shewas back with the T shirt engine
and I said, what happened?What about your outfit? Oh no,
I thought about it. I'm usedthat one well during the school the year,
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so maybe the first day of schoolor I don't know, Mom,
So we went to school and shewas all nervous and and uh, you
know, it was not herself.It was not my daughter who was enjoying
summertime. And I think she hada peer pressure from you know, the
school, the psychology, everyone whowas trying to convince her to she was
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dropping the you know, girls body, but she actually was a boy.
So I didn't have no clue.And I asked my second daughter, who
was a year ahead of her,and I said it, rush, do
you know why, Jailey? It'slike something happened before the school year.
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And she said, Mom, Ididn't want to tell you, but Jaile
has been going to this group.They send her to go to this LGBT
club that they have at school,and maybe now she felt, you know,
the pressure that she was there thewhole year, and who knows since
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when she's been joined this club andnow if she said no, I don't
want to join no more, theycan be mean mom, and they're gonna
bully her and they're going two thousand. We're talking about twenty fourteen. I'm
sorry say that again. They changedher name. Yes, yes, at
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school she had her own name,the male name, and I didn't know
that she was trying for us tochange her name at home because her name
is Yale. So she came up, Okay, I don't like that name,
so I want you to call meJay. That's how she started.
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So we call her Okay Jay,And I thought, in my head,
I thought, okay, Yaily Jay, Okay, it doesn't make any difference.
So you know, I'm talking aboutthat. She was involved with psychologists
from school from you know, myself, and you know, I was trying
to get her the help that sheneeded. So when we went to we
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had therapy together and she because atthis point the school, you know,
and everybody was making her believe thatshe was a boy trapping the girls the
girl body. So I still rememberthat that she was happy and went to
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we went to the therapist and improvementand you know, at home, and
she was Jailey was happy and shesaid, yes, they're not calling me
Jailey now my name is Jay.She was happy but when she went back
to school and maybe told the teachersand everybody, they make her believe that
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that that was too close to herbirth name. So and then she changed
it to Andy Andrew Andy and Isay, wait a minute, now,
this is gonna be a little hardbecause this is a guy name. And
she said, yeah, but thisis my new name. I'm a boy
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trapping a girl's bag. So thisis what she was thought at school with
therapists, I believe because they supportall this. So I said, no,
that's gonna take time. Andrew,I don't my brain doesn't can connect
Andrew with jailely. So but thatday and that day that the therapist,
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you know that I was send itto with her. She said, okay,
we're improving, and she was happy. He was happy. But then
she is switching saying, no,my name happy carapy, Andrew, you
can call me Andy. And thenwe try because these people was in bold
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CPS. So I said, okay, I'll try. So I didn't call
her name my child. I usedyou know, my child, and because
he was very extremeed for me tocall her a different name, especially guymy
So we done that. We athome, we try us. There was
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a point when before they took itaway that the therapist and social workers told
world, there's nothing here at home. I just see loving family and civilings,
and so we're got to close thecase. So I said, oh
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thank god, I don't have toknow. I can do my work,
you know, on my own.So I didn't last that long when Jayley
ran away. So she ran awaythe first after you know, everything was
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clear, you know, they cleareverything. So I was looking for her.
Then I called the police and theyhelped me. You know, they
call her name and says, she'snot that far. So she was hiding.
When the police was talking to meat home and I was giving you
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all the description description of my daughter, he said, oh, I gotta
take this phone call. So Iexcuse him, and he went in.
He said, I have to goright now, but I'll be right back.
So all this, you know,what's happening so soon. So we
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used to live, you know,close to the freeway, so in Arcady.
So that's when I heard you know, the five track, the paramedics
and the police they closed that youknow, San Anita revenue. They close.
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I believe, I don't know whatother exit. So and I said,
what's going on. He left andthen I was with my youngest son,
so I asked, you, okay, let's go check it out.
And then he was the first onewho who saw his sister trying to jump
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off the bridge. So I waslike running and see maybe, say what's
going on? I'm sorry. Wewent and he said, he told me
mom, everything is gonna be okay. And I said, yeah, I
know, honey, I know everythingsoon and don't look up there. And
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then I see when he said don'tlook, I look, and I said,
ah, what's going on? AndI saw my daughter trying to jump.
Like five police officer was around her, just trying to talk. Just
tell us, are your name?What's going on? I just trying to
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help you here. No, Idon't need any you know. So she
was trying to jump, and mydaughter was very skinny, you know,
so uh and I said, butdon't. She had one leg out and
one in trying to jump when heone of them dropped her and then they
took her to the hospital. Thatwas the first time that you know,
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for me, it was heartbreaking tosee my daughter or all confused, you
know, trying to figure out andhere is the school. Who are trying
to make her, convince her tobe somebody else instead of trying to figure
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out how can we help her mentally. It's clearly that she's in depression.
No, they went in with theiragenda. So she came back from the
hospital and I have social workers again, I have LGBT, I have you
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know, every everybody coming to myhouse into July. By the end of
your life. When this mother ofthis Authory girl, or this transgender friend
of my daughter, because they werenot a friend, they were not there
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to support her. They was makingmy daughter's life miserable. Her depression increased.
So on that day they because Ihad a video from my neighbor's house
that I asked him to if hecould catch because the day that she,
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you know, ran away with thish or, they kidnapped my daughter.
Let's say it this way, becausethey knew me. Why if they want
to take her white in they askedpermission. She was a minor, soum.
We had a good day. Wedrop off her other two civilians who
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was joined the police academy. Soshe didn't want to so I said okay.
Because of her the pressure, Inever left her alone. I always
keep my eye on her and never, you know, I never I go
to the grocery store get something outside. I feel like I have to keep
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my eye on her. So Idid, and on that day we went
to It was a beautiful Saturday.I asked her. We dropped them off
the other two, my other twokids, to the police academy at five
o'clock I believe, and then wewent back home. Later on, I
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asked her, would you like tocome to the farmer market where we used
to go on Saturday? And shesaid, yes, let's go. So
we went to the farmer market.We did everything shopping and she was so
happy and I said, oh Mom, I'm sorry I've been missing all this
day not coming with you to thefarmer market. I had a lot of
fun. We buy honey everything thestuff that she likes. So it was
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a beautiful morning until like around eleven, I think I was cleaning the kitchen,
putting everything away, and she waslike, she asked me, Mom,
can we now that I just becausejust that two of us home,
can we watch a movie? AndI said, yes, shuts, let's
watch a movie. Choose which onewould you like? No, No,
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I'll let you choose, So letme finish here and I'll be right there.
So I did, and then shewent, oh, did you check
Pj's bathroom, and and I said, yeah, everything is good. So
it didn't pass, I don't know, two minutes until I went back with
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her when I thought she was hidingfrom me. I thought she was hiding,
so I started, you know,Yale, I'm here, I'm waiting
for you. I was sitting onthe sofa and waiting for her, and
she didn't response. I went tothe pool. You know, she's not
here. Around the garage, Iwas looking, you know, under beds,
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each bedroom I went around, sothere was no sign of Yale.
So I scream. I remember that. I felt nauseous and I said,
oh my gosh, what if shewas talking to someone online? You know,
you know how sex traffic and ithappens, you know, every day,
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every second. So I thought shewas talking to someone, and I
called the police right away. Theywere there right away and said and we
helped. He helped me. Look, you know, all over the place,
no signs of Yale. So Iwas crying. I remember that.
I went down the floor and criedand scream her. I was screaming her
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name, and I said JALEI,no, why are you doing this?
Please come out and nothing. Soat that moment, you know, before
I call the boy, I saywhat should I do now? I should
I go outside? And then Isaid no, I need to call the
police so they can help me.So they helped me. They look,
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you know, everywhere. Nothing.So the school called me right away because
they knew that we were looking forYale. So if they can post a
message to all the parents. Icall parents. I call friends of her,
you know, friends of the otherPierre who was trying to get Jale
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into all this, so nobody.But to me, they sound like suspicious
because they, oh, no,I don't know, and can you call
Canen please and ask her if theyhave JAILI I just need to know if
they have my daughter. Okay,I called you back. They never called
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me back. I know for afact that they knew that Jail was at
this place. So that happened Saturday'sSunday, she was missing. I called
friends that we had in common andI said, my daughter's missing. We
make flyers. We were putting youknow, pictures of her everywhere, trying
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to figure out someone. I thoughtshe was kidnap for one of these bad
people. So nothing. So Mondaynight, this family dropped her off directly
to the police station. The policecame to my house my door late and
I said, Hi, did youfind my daughter? And he said,
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yes, we have your daughter.She had the hospital or work. No,
she's with us. I just camehere to pick up some I guess.
He had asked me for her ummedicine and for prescription that she got
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from the psyche and her allergy medicine. And I said, sure, but
can I go and give it toher or what happened if she had the
hospital. No, she's not atthe hospital at this moment, but we're
gonna keep her and we call CPSand the social worker will give you a
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call and m and late. They'regonna let you know when it's gonna You're
gonna go to court. And Isaid to court, why, because your
your daughter is accusing you of physicalabuse after you know, I think she
my dad was coached by this family. What to say? You know,
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so my daughter cannot return back homeand they can go with their agenda.
So I say, physical abuse.I never abused my kids. Yes,
I'm a strict you know, wehave rules but at the point of what,
oh, yeah, they took xrays because she said they just stopped
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her face and she can even openher mouth. So we took all that.
The x rays shows that she's fine. Nothing happened, and then we
female police officer went with her atthe hospital and you know, to have
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your have the x rays in undressedher because she said that your abuse her.
The physical abuse was very bad.So I got like, what okay
and what happened nothing beside the catthat she had in her arms. And
I said, why don't you returnmy daughter to me? And he told
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me, I'm sorry, I'm inyour shoes and I know i'm a parent,
but unfortunately, this is how thesystem works. So you're gonna wait
until court day and maybe she comesback home. So because that didn't work
when she went to court the firsttime, it was like it was because
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they were no proof of physical abuse. Now it was emotional abuse. They
could improve that. So that's howthey kept my daughter. I was a
reporter, you know that I couldn'tbe around kid. I couldn't they make
my life and her life reserable becauseI couldn't work with children. I couldn't
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work at school, anywhere around kids. But the interesting thing is that if
I was abuser towards my kid whilethey left, my youngest and my second
one, they were still you know, minors, So I never understood that.
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So keep you know, I keepgoing to court court trying to get
my daughter back. It was likeit was like the perfect plan for the
plan for them, and my daughterwas following all the instructions. You know,
you have to be you know,no emotional, you know, contact
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with your family, no this,no that. And I was not even
allowed to talk with her about Godwe're Christian, and many many stuff that
they you know, I was notallowed to do with my dad. First
of all, let's go back towhen you said Yale was suicidal in middle
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school. Was she ever diagnosed withany kind of a disorder or an issue?
No, So what do you thinkshe was depressed about? She at
the beginning she went into you know, when she was thirteen. I got
them all of my kids their firstphone. But with contract, what can
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they do? What the site didthey can get into? And which ones
were not allowed to go into.So Jayley didn't keep her phone for long,
maybe one or two months after Igave it to her, and then
I took it away because she wasgoing into this website with where the kids
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post that they are suicidal and theycut themselves, they do a lot of
stuff. But she was the onewho was helping them, gave them advices
how to because I read all themessage. They were amazing how she was
like a therapist. But I askedher not to because she was so young
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and her brain was not, youknow, ready to listen to all these
issues that the other kids. Howold would she had been at that time,
she was thirteen thirteen? Okay,yes, because it's I remember that.
Two months later, I took awayher phone because she was going into
this where she was not allowed to. So we went out and I I
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took my contract. I still haveto so and what if they do this,
the phone was going to take awaybecause that's going to show me and
prove that she was not ready toor capable to have a good use of
the phone. So I went outand talked to her, but maybe she
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thought it was for a week orso, and and I said, so
because you signed this contract and thisis how life is so well, I'm
gonna take your phone away. Andshe said okay, and you're not supposed
to go. We talked about itnot to, you know, and she
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explained. I look at the phoneand I said, see, you went
into this and it's beautiful how you'retrying to help this kid. As a
matter of fact, one kid fromSan Francisco asked his dad to drove all
the way to meet my daughter inperson because she was the one who who
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helped him and save his life manytimes. So when they came, they
told me, they explained everything,and I said, yeah, it was
nice, and I'm glad that shedied. Your son. It's okay,
but she's going through a lot withdepression now, cutting herself, same thing
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that she used to see online.But she so Just so I'm clear,
the depression wasn't necessarily because you tookher phone away. There had to be
some sort of an underlying, right. She was talking with this kid and
you know, and listen all thestories and she was very pro life and
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you know, trying to save them. Don't do this. Life is beautiful.
Oh I wish I couldn't save thosemessages. She was amazing how she
encouraged people to keep on going.Today it was not the best day but
two more, it's going to bebeautiful. Two more, it's going to
be the best day of your life, and you know, stuff like that.
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Thirteen year old. But and thenshe was all depressed. So now
let's go back then, just becauseI needed to establish that. So let's
go back up to you say,now this this group, now she's in
by now she's in high school,and you you had that great moment together
at the farmer's market. You gohome, and then she just disappeared.
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And you say there was a familythat was behind that. Yes, there
was a the this other girl,transgender girl who live my daughter to go
to this group, you know,with the help of the psychology, the
school psychology and you know everyone,they have a lot of support there.
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So they were the one who cameand pick up my daughter from my house
and practically kinnap her because she didn'thave my permission, the mother didn't have
my permission to take my daughter.And they were the one who dropped her
off at the police station. Andhow old was she then? Jay Lee
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was sixteen. She was sixteen atthat point. Okay, so all of
these bouts of depression, she washaving that suicidal attempt at suicide that she
had. Also in the back andforth, did you ever, ever,
Abigail, ever get to the rootcause of her depression? No? She
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never, you know, I evenasked her. I was always with them.
I never let them, you know, have slipovers at the other Famili's
house, and you know, Iwas the weird parent, but I didn't
care. I go like, no, this is my child. I have
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to protect them. I don't knowif they have family members there. So
I was like, you were youwere just overly protective, Yeah, protecting
them because I said, well,I don't know this family well, and
what if they have cousins? Soall that came into my head. So
I even ask her if she wasabused, if someone touches her inappropriate,
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that she makes you feel, youknow, uncomfortable to say. No,
why are you asking me those questions? I said, Well, I'm just
trying to get to the battle line. But I want you to know that
I'm here for you, Jaily,that I love you and I care for
you, and the only thing thatI want is to see my happy girl.
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That's all I need. I wantyou to talk to tell me why
you're depressed. I know that shewent through this time that she wants to
move and live with her dad,but he couldn't take care of her,
and that really hurt her because hewas going into health issues. He was
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not doing good and he passed awayin twenty seventeen. They asked him court
I remember, they asked him ifhe can take if he can take Jaily
with him, and his answer wasno, I can't, but not because
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he didn't want her with him.It is because he was dealing with a
lot of health issues. He was, you know, a visiting the hospital,
you know, like going home,so how could he deal with someone
who would have, you know,other issues like depression. So that make
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her feel she was okay, tryingto figure out and this and that,
but when that happened, when hecouldn't take care of her, that in
the way that social worker told herwas very cruel. They told my daughter
that her dad didn't have He didn'the didn't want anything to do with her,
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and that was a lie. Hedidn't even have a terry place,
so how can he in dealing withissues? Last of the last year of
twenty seventeen, he was in thehospital, he was in bed it so
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he didn't want her I believe herto see to for Jaily to see him
like that. So um, thatmaker and the way that the social worker
told her it was very very cool, very cruel. So like, oh,
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your dad, we contacted him,but finally we get in contact with
him, but he said that hedidn't have anything to do with you.
Well, um, at this point, um, so after they made the
accusations and level the accusations against you, Yeah, and you were going obviously
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going to court. And did youever get custody of her back? No?
And that the funny thing is thathow I learned a lot going to
court is that they took it away. But you know, I always have
to go to court, right,go to court every single time. Sometimes
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it was every month, every twomonths, every three months, name it.
So I you know, I fightfor them the whole time. I
just want to see my daughter happy. Noise, you need to accept your
son. And as a matter offact, one of the social worker came
to my house and told me,do you know, I don't know why
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you complicate stuff? Your daughter ismentally she's fine. The what is bothering
her? That she's in ther ownbody? She's she's not a she she's
a heg So she's a boy trumpedin the girl's body. But why don't
you make a funeral, bury youryour daughter and then adopt your son?
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Andrew or I cried that day.I was so mad and I told her,
you know, get you know,I appreciate that you get out of
my house. Did you you justtold me it's cruel? Um? Yeah?
Did you? Did you care?I'm sorry, Abigail? Did you
ever care whether or not she identifiedas as someone different? She never you
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know, she never identified as anot even as a boy. That happened
in high school. But would youhave would you have cared either way?
You know, I knew, Iyou know, I just want to have
a healthy daughter, not to followthe lies that she was putting into.
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She was going through a lot,and I knew that her depression was leading
her to believe. You know,I can give you an example. If
you tell someone is dying and tryingto get that solution of let's say cancer,
and someone approached say, but ifyou do this, maybe this will
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work and your you know, canceris gonna be done in no time,
and that person is right there waitingfor a solution. Don't you think that
they're going to try anything, becauseobviously my Dada was going through a deep
depression, so she believed everything whatshe was told at school with LGBT,
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the all the therapist that she visit. She was visiting all these people without
your knowledge. Then right, ohyeah, yeah, that happened at school,
and then social workers send me tothe therapy together with her on their
own facility. I even try sohard to switch her or homeschool in her,
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but they didn't allow me. Theythey you know, it's clearly that
these people are going with their agenda, so they don't care about the children
they care about. Their agenda isall political. That's what I learned and
find out going to court. Soafter you've gone through this whole thing with
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the court system, UM, let'stalk about that day, that really really
tragic tragic day. Tell me startthat day for me. Oh okay,
great. On that day the daybefore, on September third, late at
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night, I got I had Igotta a phone call from the police for
Mona Police. So I answered andI said, that's we're okay. I
answered the phone, and how canI help you argue the matter of Andrew
Martinez aka Yaily and I said,yes, well, we got a phone
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call and we're trying to figure outwe here at you know, his place,
because they referred to my daughter asa boy. So but nobody answered
the door. I guide them.I my heart went boy. It was,
you know, going so fast.I got so worried. But before
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that, the whole day I felt, you know, like I wanted it
to cry, I wanted it toscream. I didn't know. I got
all these feelings on the same day. So um. On that day I
a night we went No it wasSeptember four, because it was night,
so um September fourth. After theycalled me, I was so worried because
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the whole day I was sad.I was able to talk to her over
the phone very briefly, not evenover the phone. I called you that
I answer. I text her.She replied I still have that message and
said, oh, I'm sorry Mamathat I've been busy. I didn't reply.
She told me a little bit ofher day and that what's it.
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And then oh, and I say, I'm glad that you call me.
I've been have this feeling I feel, you know, I was worried about
you. Not replied nothing, Soshe I said, well, maybe she's
in the shower. She will callme, but late at night. If
when the police called me, andI answered, they told me. By
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the time that they I was talkingto them and I said, are you
close by? I can you callher? I'm called yes, we can
call her, and I'm not thatfar. So I'm going right now.
I'm going. So my younger sonasked me what happened, Oh, jail,
someone called me, but just therebecause you have school the next day,
so we went. They talked tome that they were looking, and
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I even went with my son tothe hospital because I didn't see any movement.
Again, this police officer asked me, oh, I gotta take this
call. He went out, andI think that's when he was maybe they
told him that someone at the PomonaRailroad tracks was there, you know,
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and they were trying to figure outif it was the same person that they
were. He didn't say anything,so I said, they're not moving,
I'm gonna go. I went tolook with my son, who went to
the nearest hospital. Nothing nobody.I was even PARANOI I was like,
everyone who might look like my daughter. I just went, oh, PJ,
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we should ask and I said,no, mom, it is not
but the backpack. And you know, I went crazy. So on that
day nothing, I couldn't sleep.I remember that I had an appointment and
the next day I canceled it earlydrop off my son, and then when
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I was going back home, Igot the freeway and when I was going
back, I have this weare phonenumber from Areaca to one three. I
answered, um. They asked me, are you Michael Martinez? And I
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said yes, Who's this? Thisis from the hospital. I even asked,
um, yes, are you jayliis Andrew's mom, And you know
they ask it and I said,yes, I am. Are you driving
and I said yes, but Idon't have my phone. You know,
I'm not holding my phone. It'sconnected to the bluetooth. She was quiet.
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She asked me to park my car. In my head it went like,
why are you asking? I wastrying to be strong, and then
I said, UM, do Ineed to write any information about my daughter?
And she said yeah. So butyou know when she told me that,
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I was crying inside. I wasscreaming and I said, UM,
okay, go ahead. I justparked. I got a first exit and
that I was near till I exit, there's a gas station. I just
crossed my car and I say,I'm here, and she said, well,
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we found you that we think thatwe found Oh what do you mean,
you think you found my daughter?But I was crying and I'm calling
you because we still have to doa DNA test and oh, I cry
and I said, that's not mydaughter, that's not my daughter. And
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then she said, we believe.And she asked me because while she was
in since she moved, you know, at the age of sixteen, she
allowed her to put so those piercingsdown years everywhere, so and that she
have and I just went, yes, yes, but I was feeling that
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I was dying inside. I didn'twant to hear divorced. So and so
we believe it's your daughter. I'mcalling you, but we're gonna verify all
this information. So most likely andI just went She said most likely,
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and I said, give me youraddress. I need to go see my
daughter. Is she at the hospital? Where is she? Dis hunting happens
And she said, um, I'msorry to tell you this, but you're
not going to be able to seeyou that anymore. And I screamed my
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catut of the car I was throwingup. Literally, I was throwing up.
I didn't know why things went sofast. So um, they told
me, there's nothing that you canrecognize from your dad or your daughter was
fine at the we found her inPomona. The rail road truck. She
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just me on, you know,knelt and you know, and she was
killed by the train. And it'snot a metro, it's the heavy one.
And my daughter was so thin.So that's how she had her life
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because you know, before a monthperiod, she told me, mom,
no matter what I do or whatI'm doing, the judge signed the consent
for her to start the treatment becauseI was against that. I told him,
you know, that's not going tohelp her at all. Her depression
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is going to increase so and she'sgonna have more you know, suicidal that
and she's gonna do it in notime. When she figured out that this
is not what she needs, soum, she I'm sorry, no,
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you take your time, take yourtime. So she told me that no
matter what she was asked to do, she was still you know, she
was still gonna be the same person. She will never be like her you
know brother, And that make herfeel, you know, like I'm going
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through this. My body is notchanging. Her voice, yes, it
was deep, but other than that, she was in pain. She couldn't
concentrate, she couldn't sleep because ofthese you know, hormones that she was
that the start was trying to worksomething that it was terrible for her little
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body. So she suffered of pain, no changes. She was still you
know, trying to suicide after youknow, the treatment. And I remember
the judge, you know, witha smile on that day that we went
to court. She told me that, you know, everybody agrees with the
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treatment, and since I refused tosign, she was gonna signed in my
behalf so my daughter canst start treatmenton that day. That morning, we
have to go back at one o'clock. So I asked my attorney and I
asked him, king, do youask the Josh the please please gave my
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daughter another opportunity and gave them ayou know, a psych evaluation. Oh
that's gonna be well, okay.So he went back talk to her and
he was slapping those papers, youknow, and I said, what happened?
No, she said that when wego back, it is final.
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There's no need for any psych evaluation. This is what you do son needs,
and they're gonna go for it.There's she's not changing. She's not
gonna keep waiting and coming to courtfor the same thing. You're trying to
take your daughter back, and they'retrying to keep her because this is what's
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gonna save her life. I cryand I said, this is not gonna
save my daughter's life. She's gonnafind out. I've been walking every face
with her and and this is notgoing to help her. It's not gonna
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help. And I'm the mom,and I know my daughter, and I
know that she was the girly girlin the house. She tried to play
soccer when she was little, andshe told me that that was not for
her because she didn't like to gethurt at this point to Abigail, you
know, and I know that wasand I'm thankful that you relived that for
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me. I know that was verydifficult. Thank you for reliving that for
us, because if the story isimportant. Now, do you you have
the other son, right? Yes? And then is that it my son?
And I have two other daughters.Okay, so you have you had
a total of four kids, right, yes, three girls and one boy.
Three girls, one boy, okay. After that day and you got
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the call. What happened next?After you got the call from the hospital,
I went back to the school andpick up my son because he was
so worried about my daughter her.I didn't know his sister, so I
went back. I called well,I didn't go. I didn't I somehow
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I called one one of my friendswho live close to the area. So
I called her and I was screaming, and she just told me where are
you? What happened? And Isaid, Jayles, come and she cried.
She said, no, no,don't tell me that. Where are
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you? And I told you know, I think I'm here. I didn't
even know. I felt last Igas station. I said, close to
what street? And she showed upand she told me let's just leave,
come with me what you wanted todo. I need to pick up my
son. So we went back toschool and one of the ladies, very
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nice lady. I went to theoffice. She saw against my face and
as soon as I approachurally say,I need to take my son peging and
what happened? Is everything? Okay? How jay Jaylee? She asked jay
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Lee Scott and she cried and shesee, oh no, yeah, she's
good. I need my son,called my son, please, I need
to get so they called b J. I still remember, you know,
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it took a while. We werethere. She was hugging me. I'm
so sorry you fight for her,and I'm sorry. Then that's all she
said. And then my son wascoming towards me. My other daughter,
I think someone called her shot up. My second one was in the Marines
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and all the way in Japan,so we call her later. So my
oldest shot up at school and andwhen my son saw me, he was
walking towards me. I remember really, he was walking backwards and he said
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no, no, no. Hestarted to cry because I think he was
strange for him for me to goright away and pick him up. And
then that night before we were lookingfor you know, his sister, so
for him it was like no no, so no mom, no that's all
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he said. And then I wentto what happened? He said, jail,
And I say, yes, whathappened. Gail's got no he said
no. So this, uh,the schools secretary somehow called this the school
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psychology for support. She didn't knowthe health that I went with, all
the hell that I went through withthese people there at school, so she
didn't know anything. So when Isaw this, this whole psychology, I
just told him, you know,get away from me. And she even
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act like, oh bad, whathappened. I'm here to support you.
My daughter is gone because of you, because she was the woman who play
a big part on the system CPSto take my daughter, you know,
keep my daughter away from home,because she recommend them to it for the
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best of interests of my daughter,to remove my daughter from our home,
because my daughter have any support,you know, at home, and she
was gonna be better off. SoI don't know what. So they asked
her, okay, live live live, because they I guess they saw me.
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When I saw her, I hadpain. I was angry. I
was so frustrated, and I said, why this little person, because it's
not a big woman, she's notat all had the power to do and
ruin my daughter's life, in orof our our life. So and then
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we we left. Everybody was inshock when they heard the news, like
especially the people you know who knewme, and you know that we had
some contacts somehow. I remember everytime I see her, she always the
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schools, the secretary from the school. She always asks how she doing?
She back home and I said,no, but still fighting. I know
she's gonna come back home. Butthey never lived. So did the school
or DCFS social workers. Did anyof them reach out to you later on?
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And did they ever apologize? Didthey ever offer support? Did they
ever speak with you again? No? I called them because I was mad
because I told them nothing that youare trying to do with my daughter.
When when they put her in agroup home, we had a meeting and
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I told them, you know thisis not gonna work. This is not
gonna work. You better focus onher depression and if she when she's an
adult, if she changed her mind, if she still wants to do this
is gonna be on her. Butnow my during my job is to protect
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her and to let you know asa mom that this is not gonna work.
Whatever you're trying to do in theoutside, trying to take it off
or gave her home, is notgonna work. I'm the mom, and
let me help my daughter. Thisis not what she needs. She needs
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mental health. Did they ever offeran apology. No. I called them
and asked him I wanted and Iasked him, I want everyone. I
made the call, and I askedhim, I want everyone of who was
involved and believed that this was gonnasay my daughter that if I didn't support
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her and do this, I willhave because they asked you, what would
you prefer to have a son oror death? That I'm sorry they asked.
They asked you if you would ratherhave had a son or a dead
daughter? Yes? And then Itold and I told them, you know,
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this was the school asking you this, or the social worker? The
school? Oh yeah, the principleonce when Jailey was at the hospital came
to me and I thought, oh, they are so nice. They care
about my daughter. I didn't knowwhat was going on. What school was,
what school? And principle is this? This is Arcadia High School?
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Okay, and the principle. Butthen I don't have the name. That's
okay, that's okay, my head, but yeah, Arcadia High School.
So he asked me can we talkoutside? And I say yes, Oh,
he's going to give me some sport, right, So why is so
they were blaming? You know,the blame was all on me. This
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is so easy. Why is sohard for you to accept that he's a
boy, it's not a girl.And I could like, excuse me,
and I said, that doesn't depressiondoesn't have nothing to do with you guys
believing in that. I know whatI have, and I know my daughter
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and I'm there, you know,since she was born, she since she
was in my belly. So thisis something that she I don't know where
she's getting all this information, butthis is not what she needs or what
she wants. It's so easy,you know, it's so simple. Why
not to change a name. Iwas accused not to let her, letting
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her by boy clothe? I did, well, you know, if you
ask me, did you ever wasin denial to buy you know, clothes,
boy clothes? No, we wentshopping. I just want to see
if that will work. Never work. Have you ever thought about legal action
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against the district? Yes? Butyes, But unfortunately I hire an attorney
who was you know, I recommendedbecause he helped families trying to take it,
you know, the kids away fromthe system. But my case was
different, and I talked to him. He promised that he will do everything,
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and the only thing that he donewas ruined my case. So I
don't know if they are on theirfavor to DCFS and the school or he
was trying to help me, butwhat he did is ruined my case.
That's what do you mean ruin yourkids? I mean, so, are
your kids with you still or not? No, they are, But legally
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I now I can't do anything againstthe state or the because they denied everything
and they didn't he didn't do anything. Let me ask you this in just
a very plain fashion. Do youbelieve that the school and the social worker
in the La County Department of ChildrenFamily Services do you think they contributed to
the death of your daughter? Yes, he said, she said, They
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said. Is a production of theKFI News Department for iHeartMedia, Los Angeles,
and is produced by Steve Gregory andJacob Gonzalez. The associate producer is
Nick Paliochini and the field engineer isTony Sarantino.
I want you to just start atthe beginning. Okay. Well, um,
everything started when my daughter Yaily wasthirteen years old, going into websites
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trying to you know how kids arevery curious about, you know, the
world. So twenty fourteen is whenshe started high school. Yes, uh
freshman year. It was no aboutgoing back. It started she was suicide
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or when she was in middle schoolshe overdose. Um when she was in
I believe eight seven eighth grade betweenthat time and I went to the school
and you know, I let it. When I find out about that,
I you know, I was worried. I was worried. I asked her
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what was going on? And sheyou're not she had depression. So I
dropped her off at the school,but I went and talked to the principle
to award them what was going onwith my daughter. You know, I
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was trying to get some sort ofhelp, keep an eye on her.
And when she started high school iswhen things when he changed drama. She
was going to this phase, uhyou know, from going you know,
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dressing like a girly girl or loanboots short and you know, she was
like a fashion girl, changing styles, hairstyle. So she starting to catch
herself too. That's when I wasworried about that. I talked to her.
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She never say anything. She justsaid, oh, it's nothing,
it's nothing. So that you knowmiddle school, you know, they sent
that record to the high school,right, so they knew that she was
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going through, you know, depression. But I never imagine that they will
lead her to go to these groupsLGBTQ groups. So I didn't know.
I didn't realize I do. Youknow, she was very acting, strange,
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sad, mad, and you know, try to get her help,
you know, send her to atherapist so she can talk to If she
doesn't talk to me, she cantalk to someone, right, So that's
what I did. At the endof freshman. Freshman year, she was
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okay. Summertime. All summers itwas like a different I had a different
Jaily at home. But during theschool year she started, you not dressing
just T shirts and jeans, Tshirts and jeans, little beanies hat.
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So I asked her, or canwe go you know, shopping, you
need anything else? And she said, well, I just want to clothes.
Maybe you're not gonna like and Isaid, well, you know,
I want you to, you know, be happy. You know, like
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you're always being you know, changingyour styles, and you know, gave
him gaving her ideas. She saidno. But at the end, well
that was the whole year. Shebut jings and T shirt, that's all
she wanted. I didn't want topush her while you're doing this. And
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then she started talking about that shelike and she might like girls. You
know, the kids go to thesefaces trying to identify their self, who
they are, what they like.So I let her, you know decide,
you know, and I was doingmy homework, my head and what's
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going on. Um. Then shestart, you know, tenth grade.
So things were just very she changedher you know, moods her. Uh.
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He didn't want to spend time withus, and I almost forced her
to be with us. We haveactivities, let's go, let's go out
to dinner. I tried to haveone on one with my kids. I
am a mother of four. Soand she starting to, oh, no,
I don't want to go out,Oh let's go. This is our
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day. So everything was you knowchanging, uh, you know, it
was not Yaily. So when shefinished tenth grade, summertime, she was
supposed to go to take some summerclass because her grades were load. I
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went to school, I had allthose meetings you know, before the school
and you know, almost the wholeyear, you know, meetings and how
can you help my daughter her gradesare dropped, and you know, asking
questions I asked for IP. Iwas trying to get her the help that
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she needs, you know, academicallyand mentally too, so both at the
same time. And we talked,we came, you know, I talked
to them. You know, mydaughter's going to depression and I just trying
to help her. So maybe ifyou gave her more time to yeah,
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And it was hard for me forthem to have an i EP, but
I requested because my daughter, Iseemed like she needed more time to finish
that her test um, trying tosee if they can motivate her to you
know, catch up with work thatshe was behind. And uh, the
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school seemed like it was helping,but they never told me that they were
helping her on her way because shewas send it to LGBTQ, trying to
make her feel figure out if maybeshe was transgender. And then my daughter
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came with these ideas that you know, I'm not a girl, I'm a
boy. I'm I'm a girl,but I'm a boy trap in the girl's
body, and this is not whoI am. I'm a boy, and
you know, she was dressing asa boy. Um into auson and fourteen.
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I think CPS was in my housebecause I because I took her to
the hospital once because she drink alot of allergy pills, so I was
worried about it. I took herto the hospital on that year and she
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was in middle school. So theycheck her out and say, I think
she's okay, oh okay, socan I take her back home? And
she They told me, oh no, when these cases are you know,
happened, we have to call CPS. So I said, bout why no,
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you have to wait to hold asocial worker. So I had a
social worker on the idea trying checkin the house, talking with my other
kids, trying to figure out whatwas going on. So they couldn't find
anything. They on that year,I believe since freshman year, the high
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school was working on, you know, trying to convince her. And she
had a friend who it was nota classmate because this girl was older than
my daughter, but she identified herselfas a transiender. So they were pretty
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good friends. I didn't know aboutthat situation. So but when that happened
that this girl was very close tomy daughter. At the end of the
school year, she was, youknow, the whole year, freshman,
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sophomore year, she was very youknow, like, uh, it was
not Gaily. She went to schoolbut not happy and she felt so and
she was always anxious. She wasalways like looking around and I, Jaily,
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are you okay? Do you likethe school? And she said,
yeah, it's okay, okay,we can switch school. If you're not
comfortable going then no, no,I can't do that. So, you
know, conversations like that we hadit because I was trying to figure out.
So at the end of the tenthgrade she had to go to summer
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school. She was dressing as apractically as a boy shirt tennis jinks and
that was it. Summertime. Shewas like, oh, mom, I
thought this closed online. So Isaid, okay, she's going into this
other face because I was walking throughall her faces, right, she liked
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this today, not tomorrow. Shedidn't like it, so I just put
it away. So on that yearshe was going to summer school and she
asked me to buy her new clothso I was happy and I said,
Okay, oh my gosh, it'smy Jailee again. So she was skirt
short dresses and you know, nameit, all the girly girl stuff.
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Because she got a hair cat withoutmy permission. With this period at school,
she I bet she didn't feel herself. So she asked me, I
can buy her some hair extensions andI said yeah, So I said,
why don't we do this, tryto get you know, catch up with
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your schoolwork, and we're gonna orderyou know, the cloth. And she
was begging me every day and Isaid, let's sit down and show me
what you like. So we orderall those you know, girly girls clothes
and and then she was. Shewas happy the whole you know summer,
even a boy from the summer school. She really liked this guy. So
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she was happy. But before shewas going into into eleventh grade, she
like days before the subscritions and allthat that we have to go back and
sign her in and get the booksand everything. She even shows that the
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outfit for that day, the outfitfor the first day of school, and
you know that they came and Iasked, okay, Jay, get ready,
and I was so excited and shewas back with the T shirt engine
and I said, what happened?What about your outfit? Oh no,
I thought about it. I'm usedthat one well during the school the year,
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so maybe the first day of schoolor I don't know, Mom,
So we went to school and shewas all nervous and and uh, you
know, it was not herself.It was not my daughter who was enjoying
summertime. And I think she hada peer pressure from you know, the
school, the psychology, everyone whowas trying to convince her to she was
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dropping the you know, girls body, but she actually was a boy.
So I didn't have no clue.And I asked my second daughter, who
was a year ahead of her,and I said it, rush, do
you know why, Jailey? It'slike something happened before the school year.
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And she said, Mom, Ididn't want to tell you, but Jaile
has been going to this group.They send her to go to this LGBT
club that they have at school,and maybe now she felt, you know,
the pressure that she was there thewhole year, and who knows since
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when she's been joined this club andnow if she said no, I don't
want to join no more, theycan be mean mom, and they're gonna
bully her and they're going two thousand. We're talking about twenty fourteen. I'm
sorry say that again. They changedher name. Yes, yes, at
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school she had her own name,the male name, and I didn't know
that she was trying for us tochange her name at home because her name
is Yale. So she came up, Okay, I don't like that name,
so I want you to call meJay. That's how she started.
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So we call her Okay Jay,And I thought, in my head,
I thought, okay, Yaily Jay, Okay, it doesn't make any difference.
So you know, I'm talking aboutthat. She was involved with psychologists
from school from you know, myself, and you know, I was trying
to get her the help that sheneeded. So when we went to we
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had therapy together and she because atthis point the school, you know,
and everybody was making her believe thatshe was a boy trapping the girls the
girl body. So I still rememberthat that she was happy and went to
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we went to the therapist and improvementand you know, at home, and
she was Jailey was happy and shesaid, yes, they're not calling me
Jailey now my name is Jay.She was happy but when she went back
to school and maybe told the teachersand everybody, they make her believe that
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that that was too close to herbirth name. So and then she changed
it to Andy Andrew Andy and Isay, wait a minute, now,
this is gonna be a little hardbecause this is a guy name. And
she said, yeah, but thisis my new name. I'm a boy
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trapping a girl's bag. So thisis what she was thought at school with
therapists, I believe because they supportall this. So I said, no,
that's gonna take time. Andrew,I don't my brain doesn't can connect
Andrew with jailely. So but thatday and that day that the therapist,
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you know that I was send itto with her. She said, okay,
we're improving, and she was happy. He was happy. But then
she is switching saying, no,my name happy carapy, Andrew, you
can call me Andy. And thenwe try because these people was in bold
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CPS. So I said, okay, I'll try. So I didn't call
her name my child. I usedyou know, my child, and because
he was very extremeed for me tocall her a different name, especially guymy
So we done that. We athome, we try us. There was
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a point when before they took itaway that the therapist and social workers told
world, there's nothing here at home. I just see loving family and civilings,
and so we're got to close thecase. So I said, oh
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thank god, I don't have toknow. I can do my work,
you know, on my own.So I didn't last that long when Jayley
ran away. So she ran awaythe first after you know, everything was
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clear, you know, they cleareverything. So I was looking for her.
Then I called the police and theyhelped me. You know, they
call her name and says, she'snot that far. So she was hiding.
When the police was talking to meat home and I was giving you
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all the description description of my daughter, he said, oh, I gotta
take this phone call. So Iexcuse him, and he went in.
He said, I have to goright now, but I'll be right back.
So all this, you know,what's happening so soon. So we
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used to live, you know,close to the freeway, so in Arcady.
So that's when I heard you know, the five track, the paramedics
and the police they closed that youknow, San Anita revenue. They close.
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I believe, I don't know whatother exit. So and I said,
what's going on. He left andthen I was with my youngest son,
so I asked, you, okay, let's go check it out.
And then he was the first onewho who saw his sister trying to jump
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off the bridge. So I waslike running and see maybe, say what's
going on? I'm sorry. Wewent and he said, he told me
mom, everything is gonna be okay. And I said, yeah, I
know, honey, I know everythingsoon and don't look up there. And
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then I see when he said don'tlook, I look, and I said,
ah, what's going on? AndI saw my daughter trying to jump.
Like five police officer was around her, just trying to talk. Just
tell us, are your name?What's going on? I just trying to
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help you here. No, Idon't need any you know. So she
was trying to jump, and mydaughter was very skinny, you know,
so uh and I said, butdon't. She had one leg out and
one in trying to jump when heone of them dropped her and then they
took her to the hospital. Thatwas the first time that you know,
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for me, it was heartbreaking tosee my daughter or all confused, you
know, trying to figure out andhere is the school. Who are trying
to make her, convince her tobe somebody else instead of trying to figure
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out how can we help her mentally. It's clearly that she's in depression.
No, they went in with theiragenda. So she came back from the
hospital and I have social workers again, I have LGBT, I have you
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know, every everybody coming to myhouse into July. By the end of
your life. When this mother ofthis Authory girl, or this transgender friend
of my daughter, because they werenot a friend, they were not there
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to support her. They was makingmy daughter's life miserable. Her depression increased.
So on that day they because Ihad a video from my neighbor's house
that I asked him to if hecould catch because the day that she,
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you know, ran away with thish or, they kidnapped my daughter.
Let's say it this way, becausethey knew me. Why if they want
to take her white in they askedpermission. She was a minor, soum.
We had a good day. Wedrop off her other two civilians who
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was joined the police academy. Soshe didn't want to so I said okay.
Because of her the pressure, Inever left her alone. I always
keep my eye on her and never, you know, I never I go
to the grocery store get something outside. I feel like I have to keep
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my eye on her. So Idid, and on that day we went
to It was a beautiful Saturday.I asked her. We dropped them off
the other two, my other twokids, to the police academy at five
o'clock I believe, and then wewent back home. Later on, I
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asked her, would you like tocome to the farmer market where we used
to go on Saturday? And shesaid, yes, let's go. So
we went to the farmer market.We did everything shopping and she was so
happy and I said, oh Mom, I'm sorry I've been missing all this
day not coming with you to thefarmer market. I had a lot of
fun. We buy honey everything thestuff that she likes. So it was
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a beautiful morning until like around eleven, I think I was cleaning the kitchen,
putting everything away, and she waslike, she asked me, Mom,
can we now that I just becausejust that two of us home,
can we watch a movie? AndI said, yes, shuts, let's
watch a movie. Choose which onewould you like? No, No,
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I'll let you choose, So letme finish here and I'll be right there.
So I did, and then shewent, oh, did you check
Pj's bathroom, and and I said, yeah, everything is good. So
it didn't pass, I don't know, two minutes until I went back with
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her when I thought she was hidingfrom me. I thought she was hiding,
so I started, you know,Yale, I'm here, I'm waiting
for you. I was sitting onthe sofa and waiting for her, and
she didn't response. I went tothe pool. You know, she's not
here. Around the garage, Iwas looking, you know, under beds,
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each bedroom I went around, sothere was no sign of Yale.
So I scream. I remember that. I felt nauseous and I said,
oh my gosh, what if shewas talking to someone online? You know,
you know how sex traffic and ithappens, you know, every day,
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every second. So I thought shewas talking to someone, and I
called the police right away. Theywere there right away and said and we
helped. He helped me. Look, you know, all over the place,
no signs of Yale. So Iwas crying. I remember that.
I went down the floor and criedand scream her. I was screaming her
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name, and I said JALEI,no, why are you doing this?
Please come out and nothing. Soat that moment, you know, before
I call the boy, I saywhat should I do now? I should
I go outside? And then Isaid no, I need to call the
police so they can help me.So they helped me. They look,
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you know, everywhere. Nothing.So the school called me right away because
they knew that we were looking forYale. So if they can post a
message to all the parents. Icall parents. I call friends of her,
you know, friends of the otherPierre who was trying to get Jale
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into all this, so nobody.But to me, they sound like suspicious
because they, oh, no,I don't know, and can you call
Canen please and ask her if theyhave JAILI I just need to know if
they have my daughter. Okay,I called you back. They never called
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me back. I know for afact that they knew that Jail was at
this place. So that happened Saturday'sSunday, she was missing. I called
friends that we had in common andI said, my daughter's missing. We
make flyers. We were putting youknow, pictures of her everywhere, trying
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to figure out someone. I thoughtshe was kidnap for one of these bad
people. So nothing. So Mondaynight, this family dropped her off directly
to the police station. The policecame to my house my door late and
I said, Hi, did youfind my daughter? And he said,
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yes, we have your daughter.She had the hospital or work. No,
she's with us. I just camehere to pick up some I guess.
He had asked me for her ummedicine and for prescription that she got
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from the psyche and her allergy medicine. And I said, sure, but
can I go and give it toher or what happened if she had the
hospital. No, she's not atthe hospital at this moment, but we're
gonna keep her and we call CPSand the social worker will give you a
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call and m and late. They'regonna let you know when it's gonna You're
gonna go to court. And Isaid to court, why, because your
your daughter is accusing you of physicalabuse after you know, I think she
my dad was coached by this family. What to say? You know,
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so my daughter cannot return back homeand they can go with their agenda.
So I say, physical abuse.I never abused my kids. Yes,
I'm a strict you know, wehave rules but at the point of what,
oh, yeah, they took xrays because she said they just stopped
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her face and she can even openher mouth. So we took all that.
The x rays shows that she's fine. Nothing happened, and then we
female police officer went with her atthe hospital and you know, to have
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your have the x rays in undressedher because she said that your abuse her.
The physical abuse was very bad.So I got like, what okay
and what happened nothing beside the catthat she had in her arms. And
I said, why don't you returnmy daughter to me? And he told
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me, I'm sorry, I'm inyour shoes and I know i'm a parent,
but unfortunately, this is how thesystem works. So you're gonna wait
until court day and maybe she comesback home. So because that didn't work
when she went to court the firsttime, it was like it was because
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they were no proof of physical abuse. Now it was emotional abuse. They
could improve that. So that's howthey kept my daughter. I was a
reporter, you know that I couldn'tbe around kid. I couldn't they make
my life and her life reserable becauseI couldn't work with children. I couldn't
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work at school, anywhere around kids. But the interesting thing is that if
I was abuser towards my kid whilethey left, my youngest and my second
one, they were still you know, minors, So I never understood that.
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So keep you know, I keepgoing to court court trying to get
my daughter back. It was likeit was like the perfect plan for the
plan for them, and my daughterwas following all the instructions. You know,
you have to be you know,no emotional, you know, contact
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with your family, no this,no that. And I was not even
allowed to talk with her about Godwe're Christian, and many many stuff that
they you know, I was notallowed to do with my dad. First
of all, let's go back towhen you said Yale was suicidal in middle
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school. Was she ever diagnosed withany kind of a disorder or an issue?
No, So what do you thinkshe was depressed about? She at
the beginning she went into you know, when she was thirteen. I got
them all of my kids their firstphone. But with contract, what can
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they do? What the site didthey can get into? And which ones
were not allowed to go into.So Jayley didn't keep her phone for long,
maybe one or two months after Igave it to her, and then
I took it away because she wasgoing into this website with where the kids
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post that they are suicidal and theycut themselves, they do a lot of
stuff. But she was the onewho was helping them, gave them advices
how to because I read all themessage. They were amazing how she was
like a therapist. But I askedher not to because she was so young
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and her brain was not, youknow, ready to listen to all these
issues that the other kids. Howold would she had been at that time,
she was thirteen thirteen? Okay,yes, because it's I remember that.
Two months later, I took awayher phone because she was going into
this where she was not allowed to. So we went out and I I
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took my contract. I still haveto so and what if they do this,
the phone was going to take awaybecause that's going to show me and
prove that she was not ready toor capable to have a good use of
the phone. So I went outand talked to her, but maybe she
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thought it was for a week orso, and and I said, so
because you signed this contract and thisis how life is so well, I'm
gonna take your phone away. Andshe said okay, and you're not supposed
to go. We talked about itnot to, you know, and she
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explained. I look at the phoneand I said, see, you went
into this and it's beautiful how you'retrying to help this kid. As a
matter of fact, one kid fromSan Francisco asked his dad to drove all
the way to meet my daughter inperson because she was the one who who
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helped him and save his life manytimes. So when they came, they
told me, they explained everything,and I said, yeah, it was
nice, and I'm glad that shedied. Your son. It's okay,
but she's going through a lot withdepression now, cutting herself, same thing
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that she used to see online.But she so Just so I'm clear,
the depression wasn't necessarily because you tookher phone away. There had to be
some sort of an underlying, right. She was talking with this kid and
you know, and listen all thestories and she was very pro life and
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you know, trying to save them. Don't do this. Life is beautiful.
Oh I wish I couldn't save thosemessages. She was amazing how she
encouraged people to keep on going.Today it was not the best day but
two more, it's going to bebeautiful. Two more, it's going to
be the best day of your life, and you know, stuff like that.
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Thirteen year old. But and thenshe was all depressed. So now
let's go back then, just becauseI needed to establish that. So let's
go back up to you say,now this this group, now she's in
by now she's in high school,and you you had that great moment together
at the farmer's market. You gohome, and then she just disappeared.
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And you say there was a familythat was behind that. Yes, there
was a the this other girl,transgender girl who live my daughter to go
to this group, you know,with the help of the psychology, the
school psychology and you know everyone,they have a lot of support there.
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So they were the one who cameand pick up my daughter from my house
and practically kinnap her because she didn'thave my permission, the mother didn't have
my permission to take my daughter.And they were the one who dropped her
off at the police station. Andhow old was she then? Jay Lee
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was sixteen. She was sixteen atthat point. Okay, so all of
these bouts of depression, she washaving that suicidal attempt at suicide that she
had. Also in the back andforth, did you ever, ever,
Abigail, ever get to the rootcause of her depression? No? She
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never, you know, I evenasked her. I was always with them.
I never let them, you know, have slipovers at the other Famili's
house, and you know, Iwas the weird parent, but I didn't
care. I go like, no, this is my child. I have
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to protect them. I don't knowif they have family members there. So
I was like, you were youwere just overly protective, Yeah, protecting
them because I said, well,I don't know this family well, and
what if they have cousins? Soall that came into my head. So
I even ask her if she wasabused, if someone touches her inappropriate,
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that she makes you feel, youknow, uncomfortable to say. No,
why are you asking me those questions? I said, Well, I'm just
trying to get to the battle line. But I want you to know that
I'm here for you, Jaily,that I love you and I care for
you, and the only thing thatI want is to see my happy girl.
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That's all I need. I wantyou to talk to tell me why
you're depressed. I know that shewent through this time that she wants to
move and live with her dad,but he couldn't take care of her,
and that really hurt her because hewas going into health issues. He was
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not doing good and he passed awayin twenty seventeen. They asked him court
I remember, they asked him ifhe can take if he can take Jaily
with him, and his answer wasno, I can't, but not because
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he didn't want her with him.It is because he was dealing with a
lot of health issues. He was, you know, a visiting the hospital,
you know, like going home,so how could he deal with someone
who would have, you know,other issues like depression. So that make
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her feel she was okay, tryingto figure out and this and that,
but when that happened, when hecouldn't take care of her, that in
the way that social worker told herwas very cruel. They told my daughter
that her dad didn't have He didn'the didn't want anything to do with her,
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and that was a lie. Hedidn't even have a terry place,
so how can he in dealing withissues? Last of the last year of
twenty seventeen, he was in thehospital, he was in bed it so
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he didn't want her I believe herto see to for Jaily to see him
like that. So um, thatmaker and the way that the social worker
told her it was very very cool, very cruel. So like, oh,
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your dad, we contacted him,but finally we get in contact with
him, but he said that hedidn't have anything to do with you.
Well, um, at this point, um, so after they made the
accusations and level the accusations against you, Yeah, and you were going obviously
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going to court. And did youever get custody of her back? No?
And that the funny thing is thathow I learned a lot going to
court is that they took it away. But you know, I always have
to go to court, right,go to court every single time. Sometimes
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it was every month, every twomonths, every three months, name it.
So I you know, I fightfor them the whole time. I
just want to see my daughter happy. Noise, you need to accept your
son. And as a matter offact, one of the social worker came
to my house and told me,do you know, I don't know why
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you complicate stuff? Your daughter ismentally she's fine. The what is bothering
her? That she's in ther ownbody? She's she's not a she she's
a heg So she's a boy trumpedin the girl's body. But why don't
you make a funeral, bury youryour daughter and then adopt your son?
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Andrew or I cried that day.I was so mad and I told her,
you know, get you know,I appreciate that you get out of
my house. Did you you justtold me it's cruel? Um? Yeah?
Did you? Did you care?I'm sorry, Abigail? Did you
ever care whether or not she identifiedas as someone different? She never you
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know, she never identified as anot even as a boy. That happened
in high school. But would youhave would you have cared either way?
You know, I knew, Iyou know, I just want to have
a healthy daughter, not to followthe lies that she was putting into.
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She was going through a lot,and I knew that her depression was leading
her to believe. You know,I can give you an example. If
you tell someone is dying and tryingto get that solution of let's say cancer,
and someone approached say, but ifyou do this, maybe this will
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work and your you know, canceris gonna be done in no time,
and that person is right there waitingfor a solution. Don't you think that
they're going to try anything, becauseobviously my Dada was going through a deep
depression, so she believed everything whatshe was told at school with LGBT,
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the all the therapist that she visit. She was visiting all these people without
your knowledge. Then right, ohyeah, yeah, that happened at school,
and then social workers send me tothe therapy together with her on their
own facility. I even try sohard to switch her or homeschool in her,
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but they didn't allow me. Theythey you know, it's clearly that
these people are going with their agenda, so they don't care about the children
they care about. Their agenda isall political. That's what I learned and
find out going to court. Soafter you've gone through this whole thing with
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the court system, UM, let'stalk about that day, that really really
tragic tragic day. Tell me startthat day for me. Oh okay,
great. On that day the daybefore, on September third, late at
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night, I got I had Igotta a phone call from the police for
Mona Police. So I answered andI said, that's we're okay. I
answered the phone, and how canI help you argue the matter of Andrew
Martinez aka Yaily and I said,yes, well, we got a phone
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call and we're trying to figure outwe here at you know, his place,
because they referred to my daughter asa boy. So but nobody answered
the door. I guide them.I my heart went boy. It was,
you know, going so fast.I got so worried. But before
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that, the whole day I felt, you know, like I wanted it
to cry, I wanted it toscream. I didn't know. I got
all these feelings on the same day. So um. On that day I
a night we went No it wasSeptember four, because it was night,
so um September fourth. After theycalled me, I was so worried because
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the whole day I was sad.I was able to talk to her over
the phone very briefly, not evenover the phone. I called you that
I answer. I text her.She replied I still have that message and
said, oh, I'm sorry Mamathat I've been busy. I didn't reply.
She told me a little bit ofher day and that what's it.
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And then oh, and I say, I'm glad that you call me.
I've been have this feeling I feel, you know, I was worried about
you. Not replied nothing, Soshe I said, well, maybe she's
in the shower. She will callme, but late at night. If
when the police called me, andI answered, they told me. By
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the time that they I was talkingto them and I said, are you
close by? I can you callher? I'm called yes, we can
call her, and I'm not thatfar. So I'm going right now.
I'm going. So my younger sonasked me what happened, Oh, jail,
someone called me, but just therebecause you have school the next day,
so we went. They talked tome that they were looking, and
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I even went with my son tothe hospital because I didn't see any movement.
Again, this police officer asked me, oh, I gotta take this
call. He went out, andI think that's when he was maybe they
told him that someone at the PomonaRailroad tracks was there, you know,
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and they were trying to figure outif it was the same person that they
were. He didn't say anything,so I said, they're not moving,
I'm gonna go. I went tolook with my son, who went to
the nearest hospital. Nothing nobody.I was even PARANOI I was like,
everyone who might look like my daughter. I just went, oh, PJ,
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we should ask and I said,no, mom, it is not
but the backpack. And you know, I went crazy. So on that
day nothing, I couldn't sleep.I remember that I had an appointment and
the next day I canceled it earlydrop off my son, and then when
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I was going back home, Igot the freeway and when I was going
back, I have this weare phonenumber from Areaca to one three. I
answered, um. They asked me, are you Michael Martinez? And I
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said yes, Who's this? Thisis from the hospital. I even asked,
um, yes, are you jayliis Andrew's mom, And you know
they ask it and I said,yes, I am. Are you driving
and I said yes, but Idon't have my phone. You know,
I'm not holding my phone. It'sconnected to the bluetooth. She was quiet.
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She asked me to park my car. In my head it went like,
why are you asking? I wastrying to be strong, and then
I said, UM, do Ineed to write any information about my daughter?
And she said yeah. So butyou know when she told me that,
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I was crying inside. I wasscreaming and I said, UM,
okay, go ahead. I justparked. I got a first exit and
that I was near till I exit, there's a gas station. I just
crossed my car and I say,I'm here, and she said, well,
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we found you that we think thatwe found Oh what do you mean,
you think you found my daughter?But I was crying and I'm calling
you because we still have to doa DNA test and oh, I cry
and I said, that's not mydaughter, that's not my daughter. And
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then she said, we believe.And she asked me because while she was
in since she moved, you know, at the age of sixteen, she
allowed her to put so those piercingsdown years everywhere, so and that she
have and I just went, yes, yes, but I was feeling that
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I was dying inside. I didn'twant to hear divorced. So and so
we believe it's your daughter. I'mcalling you, but we're gonna verify all
this information. So most likely andI just went She said most likely,
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and I said, give me youraddress. I need to go see my
daughter. Is she at the hospital? Where is she? Dis hunting happens
And she said, um, I'msorry to tell you this, but you're
not going to be able to seeyou that anymore. And I screamed my
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catut of the car I was throwingup. Literally, I was throwing up.
I didn't know why things went sofast. So um, they told
me, there's nothing that you canrecognize from your dad or your daughter was
fine at the we found her inPomona. The rail road truck. She
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just me on, you know,knelt and you know, and she was
killed by the train. And it'snot a metro, it's the heavy one.
And my daughter was so thin.So that's how she had her life
(53:14):
because you know, before a monthperiod, she told me, mom,
no matter what I do or whatI'm doing, the judge signed the consent
for her to start the treatment becauseI was against that. I told him,
you know, that's not going tohelp her at all. Her depression
(53:37):
is going to increase so and she'sgonna have more you know, suicidal that
and she's gonna do it in notime. When she figured out that this
is not what she needs, soum, she I'm sorry, no,
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you take your time, take yourtime. So she told me that no
matter what she was asked to do, she was still you know, she
was still gonna be the same person. She will never be like her you
know brother, And that make herfeel, you know, like I'm going
(54:30):
through this. My body is notchanging. Her voice, yes, it
was deep, but other than that, she was in pain. She couldn't
concentrate, she couldn't sleep because ofthese you know, hormones that she was
that the start was trying to worksomething that it was terrible for her little
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body. So she suffered of pain, no changes. She was still you
know, trying to suicide after youknow, the treatment. And I remember
the judge, you know, witha smile on that day that we went
to court. She told me that, you know, everybody agrees with the
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treatment, and since I refused tosign, she was gonna signed in my
behalf so my daughter canst start treatmenton that day. That morning, we
have to go back at one o'clock. So I asked my attorney and I
asked him, king, do youask the Josh the please please gave my
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daughter another opportunity and gave them ayou know, a psych evaluation. Oh
that's gonna be well, okay.So he went back talk to her and
he was slapping those papers, youknow, and I said, what happened?
No, she said that when wego back, it is final.
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There's no need for any psych evaluation. This is what you do son needs,
and they're gonna go for it.There's she's not changing. She's not
gonna keep waiting and coming to courtfor the same thing. You're trying to
take your daughter back, and they'retrying to keep her because this is what's
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gonna save her life. I cryand I said, this is not gonna
save my daughter's life. She's gonnafind out. I've been walking every face
with her and and this is notgoing to help her. It's not gonna
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help. And I'm the mom,and I know my daughter, and I
know that she was the girly girlin the house. She tried to play
soccer when she was little, andshe told me that that was not for
her because she didn't like to gethurt at this point to Abigail, you
know, and I know that wasand I'm thankful that you relived that for
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me. I know that was verydifficult. Thank you for reliving that for
us, because if the story isimportant. Now, do you you have
the other son, right? Yes? And then is that it my son?
And I have two other daughters.Okay, so you have you had
a total of four kids, right, yes, three girls and one boy.
Three girls, one boy, okay. After that day and you got
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the call. What happened next?After you got the call from the hospital,
I went back to the school andpick up my son because he was
so worried about my daughter her.I didn't know his sister, so I
went back. I called well,I didn't go. I didn't I somehow
(57:59):
I called one one of my friendswho live close to the area. So
I called her and I was screaming, and she just told me where are
you? What happened? And Isaid, Jayles, come and she cried.
She said, no, no,don't tell me that. Where are
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you? And I told you know, I think I'm here. I didn't
even know. I felt last Igas station. I said, close to
what street? And she showed upand she told me let's just leave,
come with me what you wanted todo. I need to pick up my
son. So we went back toschool and one of the ladies, very
(58:45):
nice lady. I went to theoffice. She saw against my face and
as soon as I approachurally say,I need to take my son peging and
what happened? Is everything? Okay? How jay Jaylee? She asked jay
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Lee Scott and she cried and shesee, oh no, yeah, she's
good. I need my son,called my son, please, I need
to get so they called b J. I still remember, you know,
(59:27):
it took a while. We werethere. She was hugging me. I'm
so sorry you fight for her,and I'm sorry. Then that's all she
said. And then my son wascoming towards me. My other daughter,
I think someone called her shot up. My second one was in the Marines
(59:49):
and all the way in Japan,so we call her later. So my
oldest shot up at school and andwhen my son saw me, he was
walking towards me. I remember really, he was walking backwards and he said
(01:00:10):
no, no, no. Hestarted to cry because I think he was
strange for him for me to goright away and pick him up. And
then that night before we were lookingfor you know, his sister, so
for him it was like no no, so no mom, no that's all
(01:00:35):
he said. And then I wentto what happened? He said, jail,
And I say, yes, whathappened. Gail's got no he said
no. So this, uh,the schools secretary somehow called this the school
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psychology for support. She didn't knowthe health that I went with, all
the hell that I went through withthese people there at school, so she
didn't know anything. So when Isaw this, this whole psychology, I
just told him, you know,get away from me. And she even
(01:01:22):
act like, oh bad, whathappened. I'm here to support you.
My daughter is gone because of you, because she was the woman who play
a big part on the system CPSto take my daughter, you know,
keep my daughter away from home,because she recommend them to it for the
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best of interests of my daughter,to remove my daughter from our home,
because my daughter have any support,you know, at home, and she
was gonna be better off. SoI don't know what. So they asked
her, okay, live live live, because they I guess they saw me.
(01:02:13):
When I saw her, I hadpain. I was angry. I
was so frustrated, and I said, why this little person, because it's
not a big woman, she's notat all had the power to do and
ruin my daughter's life, in orof our our life. So and then
(01:02:38):
we we left. Everybody was inshock when they heard the news, like
especially the people you know who knewme, and you know that we had
some contacts somehow. I remember everytime I see her, she always the
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schools, the secretary from the school. She always asks how she doing?
She back home and I said,no, but still fighting. I know
she's gonna come back home. Butthey never lived. So did the school
or DCFS social workers. Did anyof them reach out to you later on?
(01:03:23):
And did they ever apologize? Didthey ever offer support? Did they
ever speak with you again? No? I called them because I was mad
because I told them nothing that youare trying to do with my daughter.
When when they put her in agroup home, we had a meeting and
(01:03:45):
I told them, you know thisis not gonna work. This is not
gonna work. You better focus onher depression and if she when she's an
adult, if she changed her mind, if she still wants to do this
is gonna be on her. Butnow my during my job is to protect
(01:04:10):
her and to let you know asa mom that this is not gonna work.
Whatever you're trying to do in theoutside, trying to take it off
or gave her home, is notgonna work. I'm the mom, and
let me help my daughter. Thisis not what she needs. She needs
(01:04:31):
mental health. Did they ever offeran apology. No. I called them
and asked him I wanted and Iasked him, I want everyone. I
made the call, and I askedhim, I want everyone of who was
involved and believed that this was gonnasay my daughter that if I didn't support
(01:04:57):
her and do this, I willhave because they asked you, what would
you prefer to have a son oror death? That I'm sorry they asked.
They asked you if you would ratherhave had a son or a dead
daughter? Yes? And then Itold and I told them, you know,
(01:05:19):
this was the school asking you this, or the social worker? The
school? Oh yeah, the principleonce when Jailey was at the hospital came
to me and I thought, oh, they are so nice. They care
about my daughter. I didn't knowwhat was going on. What school was,
what school? And principle is this? This is Arcadia High School?
(01:05:44):
Okay, and the principle. Butthen I don't have the name. That's
okay, that's okay, my head, but yeah, Arcadia High School.
So he asked me can we talkoutside? And I say yes, Oh,
he's going to give me some sport, right, So why is so
they were blaming? You know,the blame was all on me. This
(01:06:11):
is so easy. Why is sohard for you to accept that he's a
boy, it's not a girl.And I could like, excuse me,
and I said, that doesn't depressiondoesn't have nothing to do with you guys
believing in that. I know whatI have, and I know my daughter
(01:06:34):
and I'm there, you know,since she was born, she since she
was in my belly. So thisis something that she I don't know where
she's getting all this information, butthis is not what she needs or what
she wants. It's so easy,you know, it's so simple. Why
not to change a name. Iwas accused not to let her, letting
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her by boy clothe? I did, well, you know, if you
ask me, did you ever wasin denial to buy you know, clothes,
boy clothes? No, we wentshopping. I just want to see
if that will work. Never work. Have you ever thought about legal action
(01:07:23):
against the district? Yes? Butyes, But unfortunately I hire an attorney
who was you know, I recommendedbecause he helped families trying to take it,
you know, the kids away fromthe system. But my case was
different, and I talked to him. He promised that he will do everything,
(01:07:47):
and the only thing that he donewas ruined my case. So I
don't know if they are on theirfavor to DCFS and the school or he
was trying to help me, butwhat he did is ruined my case.
That's what do you mean ruin yourkids? I mean, so, are
your kids with you still or not? No, they are, But legally
(01:08:11):
I now I can't do anything againstthe state or the because they denied everything
and they didn't he didn't do anything. Let me ask you this in just
a very plain fashion. Do youbelieve that the school and the social worker
in the La County Department of ChildrenFamily Services do you think they contributed to
the death of your daughter? Yes, he said, she said, They
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said. Is a production of theKFI News Department for iHeartMedia, Los Angeles,
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Nick Paliochini and the field engineer isTony Sarantino.
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