The Healing of Dissociative Disorder Part 1 of 3

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I want to welcome you to theHealing Against podcast channel. My name is
Pastor Gale and I have with meMichelle and I'm Michelle Hutchinson with the Mindset
Exchange podcast. So we are workingon doing different podcasts together, blending the
spiritual with the psychological, and todaywe are tackling a big subject. So

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we're going to talk about the healingof dissociative disorder otherwise known as multiple personality
disorder. Now, I know inthe psychological world no one believes that this
could ever be healed, and soI've got to ask you a question,
Michelle, Why in the world,from a psychological point of view, is

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dissociative disorder. Oh that's a greatquestion, Pastor Gale. It makes me
think about the simplest way to describedisassociative personality disorder is really truly when someone
is experiencing different ways or mannerisms toexpress themselves, so different personalities they might

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hold deep within. But let mesay, it's certainly a medical diagnosis that
has a lot of depth to it. So I'm simplifying the description for our
audience just to think about when Ifeel myself expressing in ways that are very
disconnected from who I truly am inthe identity that God's called me to be.

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Then I find my self moving intoa little bit of disassociative disorder.
But again, please know, I'mprefacing with a very basic, basic,
generalized description because often, not often, always, multiple personalities come out of

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trauma in a way that someone isprotecting themselves, whether consciously or subconsciously,
They're bringing they're bringing protection to whothey were created to be by developing these
different personalities. But it's not anintentional act, right pastor Gale. It's

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not like I'm choosing just to expressmyself in one sense of identity over the
other. And when we say identity, it really can look like a personality.
They can look like, you know, today, I'm Michelle, the
very creative, artistic, you know, deep loving person. And then in

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this moment, I believe that there'ssomeone else that comes out of me that
is a little girl who doesn't knowhow to speak loud and clear and articulate
and feels really shy. And thenthere might be someone else that comes out
of me that expresses themselves through talkingthrough language, through different vocal sounds.

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So I'm hoping that's what you're askingfor, Pastor Gil, is a very
simplified basic picture of what dissociative disorderlooks like to those who might not necessarily
know or understand, maybe to someonewho's experiencing it, or the description is
for someone who may be looking athow do I bring healing the people that

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come into my world in my lifewho are struggling in this manner. Well,
I'm going to dive deep in thissubject because I have had the privilege
to work over a thousand hours withSRIMPD Satanic ritual abused multiple personality disorder,
and it's a deep die because whenyou get really into this, it's really

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complex. Now, I'm going togive you a little of my history.
In my young days and my earlydays, I was pastoring a church and
back then I believe that all multiplepersonalities were demon. I was convinced they
were demons, and so that hasa pastor how I would deal with it
until one line. Until one timeI had a lady visit my church and

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she was up front playing her tambourineand I didn't know her, and I
went up to her and I willcall her Janet for this program to protect
her identity and I said, Janet, I have a word from Jesus for
you, and she goes, oh, well, what's your word? I
said, The Lord says, thoughyou've been frayed and torn apart, he's

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going to put you back together peaceby piece. And she about flipped out,
yeah, piece by piece. Shecalled that she got a hold of
David Alderman and Dean vannermyn. Shesaid, does this guy know what he's
talking about the word he just gaveme because she sees she had several personalities.

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I didn't know it. And shehad been one of the highest level
Satanists ever to get off the WorldCouncil, and she was in our area
under protection of two very important menwho are helping to take care. And
Dean calls me and goes, doyou even understand what you told that lady?
And I said, Dean, no, I don't understand. He said,

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do you know what multiple personality disorderis? I said, well,
I've heard about it, but Ireally thought it was demons, and he
goes, I think we'd like toinvite you in on this lady's care.
All Michelle, what an eye openingexperience. Then in one night, the

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Lord spoke to me and he said, I want you to go to Psalms
one hundred and thirty nine Versus sixteenthrough eighteen. I'm going to read it.
For you created my inmost being.You met me together in my mother's
womb. I praise you because I'mfearfully and wonderfully made. Your works are
wonderful. I know that, thoughwell. My frame was not hidden from
you when I was made in thesecret place. When I was woven together

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in the depths of the earth,your eyes saw my unformed body. All
the days ordained for me were writtenin your book before one of them came
to be. How precious are yourthoughts, God, How vast as some
of them. If I were tocount them, they would outnumber the grains
of the sand. When I'm awake, I'm still with you. And then
the Lord said to me, pickup a piece of rope. And I

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did. He goes, how manypieces of rope do you have in your
hand? I said, I haveone. He goes, no, look
again, a rope is made upof several pieces tightly woven together. And
then look showed me in my Isay, a vision, my mind's eye,
or my holy imagination. He said, this is what happens. You
have a piece of rope, youhave a person, and then they are

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hit with a trauma they cannot handle. So it's so bad that they literally
have to form another part of theirpersonality just to handle those feelings and though
emotion. Then he said, nowyou take that piece of rope and through

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trauma you begin to pull back thedifferent pieces of rope. You still have
one piece of rope, but youhave many different faces to that personality.
And then he said, this iswhere the demons come in. The demons
get involved with that whole men.And so he said that. He said,
that's what I want you to understand, and I went, wow,

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I never thought about that, becauseyou know, in the psychological world,
if you try to cast out apart of the personality and you're a therapist,
it's considered a malpractice. And sothe Lord began to show me.
No, this lady had over fivehundred personalities. This is gonna blow your
mind. Okay, Frieda would comeout and talk with me, and I

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talked to Frieda and she had awhole different voice and a personality of her
own. Then another one would comeout and talk to me. Then sometimes
they call me on the phone andwant me to guess who I was talking
to. That became a little bitdeluded. I said, look, there's
one of me and five hundred ofyou. How can I know who I'm

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talking to. So this particular individualhad developed personalities and they were developed purposely
through Satan programming, through trauma.Now there are other there's another side of
this coin. There are many peoplethat have been in highly abusive situations where

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someone was doing something to them whenthey were a child. If you're listening
to me right now and you areabused as a child, I pray for
God's grace while I talked to beupon you, and the protection of the
Holy Spirit and the ministering angels tobe round about you. Because this is
heavy what I'm talking about. Sosomebody held you down and sexually violated you,

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and you had no control over that. You might have found yourself putting
yourself outside of your body in adifferent place, in a space, and
through that you disassociated or formed anotherpart of you to handle this trauma.
Now, where the problems come inis sometimes people don't know they have this
situation because there's walls of amnesia betweenthe personalities. Now I'm getting deep.

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Right, there's walls amnesia between thepersonalities because you don't want to remember,
and so because our brain naturally buildsthose walls for self protection, right,
it's too painful to remember. Soto bring healing to this takes a community

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of people, and it takes somepeople that are very specialized. So and
I haven't found a team yet.Oh my goodness, this is a lot
of work. I have worked withseveral multiples that came in, some needed
a finale integration. I did somefinal integration work, seeing personalities integrate into

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the host. And then you haveone person that's on me. The soul
God created us. According to Thessalonians, spirits so body, and believe me,
brothers and sisters, the soul isso deep. But if you don't
have the help of Jesus, you'renever coming out in one piece. That's
all. Really, what I hearyou saying is we're talking about a person

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that's experienced trauma, maybe even inthe womb, and we're understanding them body,
soul, and spirit. So it'shappened to their body has changed the
way that their brain physiologically is formed. Their soul realm, which is where
we hold all of that emotion,and that memory has now been splintered and

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is doing its best to protect itself. And that's the depth of what we
want to talk about. That requireshealing. And so in the soul realm
are these multiple ways to express oneselfthrough the trauma. And then we have
the spirit realm I heard you reference, which is you and I talked about

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this on other podcasts. When there'sbeen an opening in our soul realm where
there's been harm, it opens doorsfor spiritual activity in someone's life, and
that spiritual activity can then influence ourmind and our hearts and our souls.

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Yeah, very much so. AndI remember working with this in Satanic deprogram
in Satanic programming, what they woulddo. Can I interrupt you? Can
you describe just very briefly what youmean by satanic deprogramming, because maybe that's
a new concept to our guests,or maybe we need to be on the
same page about what that is.In Satanic programming, they will program their

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members to go out to go outand do certain tasks they want them to
do, and some of them arereally bad tasks, so they have to
split the personality. And then whatthey do is as they split it through
trauma. They will actually put demonsinto on that personality part and call them

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helpers, and then they will makethem say vows that they will never break
their programming. And so it's verycomplex, very deep, and I don't
really know if I want to goright and deep into the weeds of all
that. And so when they comeout of that, they have to break
their vows. The personality has tobe healed and cleaned up by Jesus.

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And then that part of the personalityaccepts Christ and is now cleaned up.
And you know, the funny thingis the Lord would always give that personality
part of new name. Then thecall they would give the personality a name,
and a name also has to dowith their function and their job and

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their duty. And then they weretold they're made in the image of their
creators. And so that personality believesthat those that split them in the Satanism
where they're creators, and so it'sa whole twisted mess. Now you go
to the other side of this coin, which we're more apt to deal with,
and this is people that have beenthey have had a fracture. Thank

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you Lord for reminding me of this. A fracture and the personality through trauma.
And the reason you might have alittle boy or a little girl simple
that part of the personality stays atthe age where that part was fractured at.
So you have that part that mightbe seven years old. And one
day when I was working with ladies, a lady she had a piece of

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the part of the personality come outand talk to me and said, I
got five hundred other pieces here thatwant to come with me to integrate and
want to come to Jesus. AndI'm like, what, how can that
be? And I said, Lord, how can that be? I don't
understand. And the Lord said tome, he made it real simple.

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He said, if you had aglass vase in your hand and you threw
it on the snut floor, whatwould happen? And I said, well,
it was shatter, different shatter,and you'd have all these different showers
and pieces of glass. He said, all I'm doing is picking up the
pieces of glass and bringing them backtogether and healing them and putting them back

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in the place in the space I'vedesigned them to be. That's beautiful.
But we just have to stop therefor a minute, because that, to
me carries so much hope to lookat that picture, to think about that
picture, and to understand that someonemay not be quote unquote damaged, which

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is not how I think about them, but many would forever, but that
we just have to understand how toput those pieces back together. It's like
that amazing Japanese art where they breakpottery, or they take broken pottery and
then they put it back together andthey melt it together with gold. Well,

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so what happened is Jesus was comingand he was picking up the pieces
of glass and he was putting itall back together. And the more he
put the personality back together, thatperson sending me one day, I can't
believe it. My mind is quiet. I don't hear anyone talking anymore.
My mind is quiet. The moreintegration we do, now there's another problem.

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People think integration yay, and Igo, no train wreck. Why
the integration process. You're reconnecting thiscircuit and now the host can now remember
the memories that they have split off, and now they have to learn to

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be healthy. And this is wherea good therapist comes in, and this
is where a lot of good counselorswould come in to help that person dealing
with their feelings and their most andtheir memories. Boy, folks, we
just jumped into the weeds that way. In Part two, I'm going to
talk about the duties of the hostpersonality and how that all functions, and

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maybe we can dive into that together. But this is a lot to grapple
with, That's all. What I'mthinking is it must be leaving our audience
hungry to know more. So we'vegiven this very basic but deep kind of
quick dive into the understanding that there'shope for people who have struggled with such

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severe trauma that it's impacted their identityat the core. And yet we have
this amazing picture of the rope atthe broken pottery, all of it that
can be sewn back together, putback together, heeled and whole. But
it requires skill. It requires goodclinical skill, It requires good healing,

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It requires good inner healing, andan understanding from the context of our perspective
as Christians and understanding of how towalk this journey with God. But that
we know our hope as Christians isthat we know that God can bring healing

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and restore identity right back to theplans that He had for you before you
were knit together in your mother's bomb. He had a plan for you,
and he can restore you to whoit is that He has created you and
called you to be in the renewingof the mind and wholeness as a person.

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See, and so what the enemyis doing, he's trying to unknit
what God is knit together. He'strying to take that apart. But and
this is where people got to understand. Only Jesus can put it back together.
I would be working with personalities,you know, helping them, and
then one would come out and say, well, free to come out.

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Well, pastor, I gotta go, I said, where are you going?
Well, Jesus told me it's timefor me to integrate, and so
I won't be around no more.So you please not forget me and what
I've been through. I said,I promise you, freed, I won't.

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Then all of a sudden, thehost eyes will go shut and in
the spirit realm and heard a click. I heard a literal click, almost
like a chiropractic adjustment. And sheopened back her eyes and spoke to me,
and I could hear the integration ofFrieda's voice into her voice. Her

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voice changed, and that part ofthe personality was with Jesus, was with
her back in its place, andnow she had all of Freed's memory.
You see, Free, it wasjust another face of that one person.
So if you're listening to me andyou suffer from this, look, you're

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not broke, you're not flawed.You're a beautiful person that God loves who
he wants to help. Lord,I want to thank you today for everybody
under the sound of our voices.Lord, I asked that you'd buying the
demonic powers that want to attack thispodcast in radio program. I pray that

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they would be bound and gagged,that there would be an umbrella of protection
over us and over our listeners.I pray that the demonic realm would be
struck with confusion, that they wouldnot be able to operate while we speak
on the healing of dissociative order ormultiple personality disorder. And so I thank

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you for all you're doing and forwhat you're going to do. In the
name of Jesus. Michelle to liftup a prayer. Yes, Father,
And as the voice of the enemyis silenced over any heart or mind that
is listening to this, I askthat your voice, your single minded voice,
would speak hope into the life ofevery listener, and that they would

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believe with hope that there's healing fromtrauma, that there's healing and breaking of
any satanic or demonic rituals that maywant to come and harass and call back,
and we say no to that,and we speak a life and we
speak a journey of the renewing ofthe mind over every listener. Father,

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I ask that you would release thewisdom and revelation over the hearts and the
ears of every listener today, thatthey would just get this and that they
would understand it, and that theywould say yes to you. And we
thank you Father. We thank youfor clinicians, We thank you or pastors
and spiritual leaders. We thank youfor every person that has a heart to

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see wholeness and healing come to thosearound us. And we say yes to
you, Father, and we sayyes to more understanding of how to heal
body, soul and spirit in thename of Jesus Amen. So yeah,
I know that many of you arelistening out there. We're going to go
even deeper into the weeds of thisbecause I've got a lot I'd like to

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share because I think it'll it'll openthe eyes. It'll give hope. But
I wanted to bring some clarification andmake sure that we stated clearly if you're
experiencing associative disorder, that does notmean that you have been involved in Satanic
ritual you are talking about this pastorGil. From the spiritual perspective, there

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are many people or most people thatcome out of Satanic ritual practices that then
do experience multiple personality because of thetrauma they experienced within those rituals. And
then there are many people who haveexperienced trauma in their lives who then experienced

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associative disorder because of the brains needto cope with the depth of trauma that
they've experienced. And it's one waythat some people who have experienced trauma and
coping with life. So I'm hopingthat we've brought some clarity to the conversation

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a little bit. Well from Galeand Michelle, have a good day,
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