Hollywood Weekly Ep. 10: Guilty Pleasures and Defining a Musical

Tonight on Hollywood Weekly, Jackson Felts, Christopher Kidd and Jessamyn McIntyre talk about what they've been watching, including their top guilty pleasure shows and movies, then discuss the return of Daredvil to screens before defining what a musical is and listing their favorites of all time.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
That was an idea. I felt like I was gonna say, kid,
I'm not sure what to do with my hand. You
have part of my attention, you have the minimum amount.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
What name?

Speaker 1 (00:14):
Who are you steal someone?

Speaker 2 (00:17):
I just want to watch the world.

Speaker 1 (00:18):
But let's see it drinking one? Is that because you
think you're fat? Let's rock, Let's ruck today.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
I'm not talking because I just assumed, with how much
you've been talking today, Chris, that you were going to
open us up today.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
Nah, man, you are the host that does the most.
We let you do the open Outside of that, man,
we just ready to get the show going.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
I don't think you're witness to that.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
I don't think in a decade that i've worked with you, Chris,
I've ever seen you talk more than you talk today.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
Well, it was a fun conversation. And they want remember
that commercial with Verizon and the little girls like we
want more, we want more. That's what coworkers are giving
me to day. Christ give us.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
I don't think the faces of our failed stuff said
I want more. They're like, how do we get out
of this Madden conversation? We just said the word Madden,
and Chris has now gone on for an hour.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
No, they quit. They asked, oh, are you in a league?
Do you do Ultimate Team? What other games do you play?
That's it? What do you like about Battlefield? Why don't
you like Call of Duty?

Speaker 2 (01:21):
I walked out of the studio probably four times over
the course of ninety minutes, and Chris was standing there talking.
I mean every single time I exited.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
I've never seen there's me when I talk about soccer.
There's you know, various people when they talk about certain things.
I've never heard somebody just go on like you did today.
It was honestly like and I like Madden, so I'm
not ragging you. It was impressive, Like I didn't know
a single person could talk about a topic that much

(01:50):
for that long.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
But straight you missed the topics of Battlefield where I
showed them clips of me flying planes and destroying people,
because they were like, Dan, you're a pilot, and I
was like, you know on the side, you know, not too.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
On a scale one to ten, how obsessed are you
with Matten? Probably a six, So I'd say in real numbers,
Jess about it at eight and a half, yeah, eight.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
And a half night, So if I said four, it'd
be like six.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
But what smells so damn good. You know what.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
This is a little bit later for me, and I
brought my dinner with me. It's a chicken sausage stuffed pepper.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
Damn that long.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
That's good and I am really proud. It is a
recipe that I spent a really long time making. It
made three peppers. Mike and I both had one the
other night for dinner, and I had one left over,
and it took me two hours. Two hours. I'm never
doing it again, but it was worth it just for
fun because I followed the recipe to a tea. Next

(02:40):
time I would do it, I'd do it in huge batches,
you know, instead of three peppers. But it's delicious and
it's healthy.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
That does look amazing. So we got Chris, whose mind
has been on Madden for the last five hours. We
got Jess, who's eating, and I'm here just not to
get fined. We are three sports radio producers and we
are talking about things other than sports for the first
time in our lives. This is Hollywood Week. We welcome
you into it. Anders Hurst is not with us. We
want to send our best to anders his wife, Augustina

(03:06):
and their family. And I meant to say this as well.
While we're sending all the good vibes, we are kind
of laughing, having fun talking about things going on in Hollywood.
And I'm meant to say this last week, and it's
a good opportunity as we're kind of in a serious
note to send all the good vibes, thoughts, prayers, and
and everything and especially funds too to everybody with Los

(03:28):
Angeles and everything going on down there with the fires.
This is a very very tough time for everybody in Hollywood. Which, yes,
you can say they're they're millionaires and you know they
have big houses in all, et cetera, whatever, whatever, there's
a lot of people in Hollywood, especially the secondary people
who aren't doing so well, who have been affected very
horribly by these fires. So you know, it isn't just

(03:51):
millionaires losing their homes and oh they'll get another one.
This is this is terrible. So we have to send
all of our best and and everything we can to
the people in need right now down in Los Angeles.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
And on that note, to my episode of Seattle's Voice
this weekend is featuring a member of the Northwest Region's
Red Cross and you know, she is so embedded in
the Red Cross that she could tell me everything that
was going on on the ground in Los Angeles. Also,
if you're going to donate, we do have a page
up at ninety three three kjar dot com where you

(04:22):
can donate. She tells you exactly where the funds can go.
And just a little side note, I'll give you a
preview of this. You can choose where your funds go
when you donate to the Red Cross.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
If I wanted to help, like say, for example, you know,
I wouldn't say specific fires, but in terms of like
people who've had it affected by the dogs and cats
being lost exactly stuff Humane Society sort of.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
Yeah. You can go to the website and it allows
you to designate a certain area. Like when I work
for Leukemia Lumpoma Society, some people wanted more in research,
some people wanted more in care, and you could, you know,
just dignify one of those you designate. I'm sorry, So anyway,
just you know, it is airing all across our six
station CLUSS all day on Sunday on KJR at eleven

(05:03):
pm at night, but I'll have the podcast up on
Monday morning.

Speaker 3 (05:05):
That's great, I mean, yeah, because I think any anything
we can do to help what's going on. I mean,
I mean, we all have people connected down there, and
we all have family, and you know, I have a
lot of family down there. My wife's family is all
from southern California. My uncle's down there in Santa Monica
and he's witnessing a lot of crazy things right now.
So it's just it's tough times. So thoughts and hopefully

(05:29):
we can all help the folks down there get through
what is a tough time. But you know, it's a
tough time. And we'll see how it affects the Oscars.
I mean, we'll see if the Oscars get delayed, all
of the nominations get delayed. There's that whole deal. They
had to cancel the in person screening opener of Severn
season two. Don't worry, it's still out going to be streaming,

(05:51):
I believe tomorrow. As we record this on Thursday the sixteenth,
it is official on Friday the seventeenth, seven Season two
is out on Apple. But ultimately to say that there
is still lots of content making its way two hour screens.
Speaking of screens, let me start off here today. So
I have I never really spent that much on TVs.

(06:12):
I kind of always just said, like listen, I'm not
going to spend like more than three hundred bucks on
a TV. And I had this LED TV downstairs that
I've had for like seven years, which life span the
TV play Max, and it finally broke. The backlight broke,
so I had to go get a new one. And
I said to myself, you know what, damn it, I've
never spent money on a TV. I'm going to spend
five hundred full dollars and get a Mini Led or

(06:37):
q LED, Mini Led. Some it was some fancy pants.
It's right the step under OLED and it's just it's insane.
And the first thing we're watching on it is Lord
of the Rings, and we said, let's just let's go
through Fellowship two Towers, Return of the King and make
that the first thing we watch on, like the best
TV we've ever owned. Will say, once you have like

(06:59):
these really fancy pants, like you know, extremely high definition TVs,
some of the CGI that like looked incredible when you're
watching it on a little bit less when you watch
it on like an extremely high definition the CGI just
doesn't come through the same and it kind of looks tacky.
And worse, like almost hobbity watching Lord of the Rings

(07:21):
this time, I gotta admit I'm not enjoying it because
I'm seeing the mistakes and I'm like, that doesn't look real.
That looks terrible. It's too real. And then the CGI
isn't good enough from like the early two thousands to
keep up with it, so it doesn't.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
Look that good.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
That's interesting, you know, Mike just did that. I'm the
same way as you. I don't think I've ever bought
a TV myself unless it was off Craigslist, and Mike
got in on a cyber Monday deal and we have
this ginormous TV, Like it's bigger than the ones we
have here in the studio. It takes up our entire
you know, like whatever you call it, like constable thing
that you put it on. I don't know what you

(07:57):
call those things, bestibule on whatever.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
That is not the word. I don't even know if
that's the word, but it, you know, the entire thing
that you put a TV on. It is the length
of it. Yeah, you know, it's got drawers and things like.

Speaker 3 (08:10):
That's like one of the new enhanced TVs with.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
It is unbelievable. I mean, I mostly noticed that He's
I was like, I don't care about TV is. I
don't know why you're getting a new one. This one works,
and he's like, well, I'm just gonna switch out the
one in here and then I'm gonna put it in
the other bedroom and then we're gonna have all these
better TVs. But watching sports.

Speaker 3 (08:30):
Sports, that is the one thing. Yeah, watching sports on
this killer. But it's funny watching the old movies like
now I'm gonna now I'm a little bit weary to like, oh,
I want to watch you know X y Z from
years ago, and it's like X Men, right exactly. But
I thought it that last night. That's why the the
og X Men. The singer, right, Brian Singer, I think

(08:50):
is he directed. I think that early stretch.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
I was a number of the early two thousands, and
I'm like, wow, Logan looks skinny.

Speaker 3 (08:57):
Speaking of Brian Singer, I I'm going through the Superman
kick that I talked about on last week's podcast. So
I watched Superman Returns from two thousand and six. I
believe Brandon Routh played Superman, another Brian Singer movie, and
it made me wonder why the hell they didn't work
more of it, because it was sort of like maybe
it wasn't in the comic book Flavor of two thousand

(09:17):
and six. It was before Marvel really took over. But
I watched Superman Returns and found myself just wondering why
the hell they stopped this shows that I'm watching all
kind of kick us off here. Skeleton Crew. I'm gonna
reserve full thoughts until Anders is back next week because
we'll go into Skeleton Crew. I just thought that it
had a stuck the landing really really nice in a fun,

(09:39):
tight story, So big thumbs up for Skeleton Crew. Shrinking
finally finished Shrinking there on Apple TV. I would say
the ending was very telegraphed, but it was still very emotional,
and Shrinking still continues to be one of my highest
recommended shows. So they just finished its second season, and
I would say the first in the second I didn't

(10:01):
change my ranking at all. It comes in at number
twenty four of all time on my list anyway, I
think it was at number twenty three after the first season,
so it really hasn't changed much. But it just it's
just it's it's emotion porn is the best way I
can say it, Like, if you want a good emotional
kick in every single direction, it's going to provide you

(10:21):
that there isn't there isn't action, there isn't things that's
going to make you leap off your couch. But it's
just gonna make you feel all warm and cuddly inside.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
Well, it'll also make you a crack up. It's hilarious
at the same time. I've only seen the first season,
so I didn't know the second one was out. To
be honest, there's too much stuff to watch, but that
makes me excited. Yeah, I love that show.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
So that's it had just a very very solid second season,
just as good as the first. So definitely make your
way through that. The other thing I'm watching and the
thing I wanted to also talk about in terms of
reality TV, I'm watching this show called The Traders on
Peacock and The Traders. I didn't watch the first two seasons.
This is the third season. You both know. I'm a
huge Survivor fan, and it basically brings on a bunch

(11:01):
of other reality show people from like Real Housewives and
The Challenge on MTV and Survivor and Big Brother, and
it basically just puts them into a new reality show
altogether where certain a certain few of this giant group
of like twenty people get to quote unquote kill each
other and they get to kill the big group, and

(11:24):
then if the big group finds out who's killing them,
then the big group gets money.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
I guess this reminds me of like Real World World
Wars Challenge, where they get two different shows mashed up
into a different Yeah, that's crazy.

Speaker 3 (11:38):
So it's it's it leads in to the conversation of
reality TV and like Survivor right now, the ratings of it.
I mean, the CBS said we're gonna move you from
an hour to ninety minutes because your ratings are so good.
The Amazing Race went the exact same way. You have
a summit on CBS is a new hyped show. It
was okay. I thought, you have The Traders, which is

(11:59):
getting more and it's ever gotten. I mean, reality TV
as big as it was in like, you know, twenty
years ago. I feel like reality TV is having a
pretty giant renaissance right now.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
I am not a reality television person except for sports,
that's it. But I can understand the allure. But I
just never got into it.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
Chris Yamm with Jess never never really got into it.
But there's always hope.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
Not no Real Housewives for you.

Speaker 3 (12:25):
I could not see, Chris.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
I used to watch that type of stuff back in
the day when I was in high school. But it
got to a point where like, this is just bad television.
Oh entertaining, but see.

Speaker 3 (12:36):
I feel like I'm almost losing brain cells watching.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
Well, it's a guilty pleasure. I mean I wouldn't feel
guilty about watching any of that, but so for me,
go ahead. No, I as a producer, I would I
ruin reality television for people. Yeah, Like I remember the
only season I ever watched of The Bachelor was when uh,

(12:59):
the the football player was on it, right, and I
was working with a group of people. Palm, No, no, no, no,
it was he was You wouldn't.

Speaker 3 (13:07):
Have know't some sort of form of Jesse Palmer.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
Yeah, I don't know if he's the he's all a
host now. He doesn't do sports at all. He was
an analyst for ESPN for a while. But anyway, yeah,
it was a former football player. He was the Bachelor
or whatever, and so there was a pool, a bracket
going with all the girls that were on the show,
and I wanted to participate in any bracket that's going
on in the office. So I watched it and after

(13:32):
the first episode I come in, I'm like, you hear
that dog barking? That's on a looped track. It's very
obvious he's running away as a dog running next to him.
I don't see a dog. Why is it at the
same volume. That's really bad audio editing. And then I'm like,
see that, Oh, that that clip that they showed in
the promo where he jumps over the wall. That's the
most dramatic thing that's gonna happen this season, and it's
not gonna happen until the last episode, so they'll keep

(13:52):
you going thinking that that's gonna happen sometime soon. It's
not that girl's being paid to do that. I can
tell a producer if fed heard that they're making that
girl cry on purpose. She's getting kicked off soon. I
can tell what the producer is saying to them. So
I got kicked out of being able to watch it
because I ruined the show over everybody.

Speaker 3 (14:09):
Wow, I mean see, And that's the thing like watching
The Traders, I definitely feel all of that it's like, Wow,
you clearly did not come up with that line yourself,
and absolutely they fed you that line. Survivor I love
because there's none of that. The Survivor producers are hands
off because it's just like, you make the rules, you
make the game. You get to decide everything that goes
and doesn't go on this island. But the Traders is

(14:32):
I do feel like it's guilty pleasure and I'm losing
brain cells and I felt I feel I do feel
a little bit guilty watching it. It's like, you know what,
I'm supposed to have taste, like we do this podcast.
I'm supposed to have actual taste, and this crap has
no taste to it. It's just I watching and I'm like,
I'm like, I'm stupider now, dude.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
At the end of the day, though, that's what television
can be. Though, it's like a brain melt, like it's
a release for me. I always have The Office on
in the background. I'm culture that is pure well, I mean,
it's an amazing show, but whatever whatever show might be
on in the background, like it used to be on
repeat on Comedy Central and now it's like Family Guy,
and I'm like, if there's no game on, I'll just

(15:14):
leave it on. And I'm like, you know, the same
thing where I'm like, you know, it used to be
laugh out lot funny because it was such a new
style of partying comedy. But anyway, I just I just
don't feel like people should feel guilty about watching whatever
they'd like on to.

Speaker 3 (15:27):
You, I appreciate what's yours?

Speaker 2 (15:29):
What's your guilty Yeah, what.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
Is your guilty pressure? Because my guilty pleasure I just
admitted it's it's Traders, Chris.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
What's yours? Man, That's a good question. I would say
probably just an old movie. For instance, I will watch
Rush Hour two over and over and act as if
I've never seen it.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
That also feels very much just like that is that
is culture right there.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
I know, but that's that's not the point of this.
But at the same time, that movie it just gets me.
I feel like White Chicks would be a I think
you mentioned that before. I feel like I love that.
I feel like that would be a good guilty pleasure example.
Is that is that the one you mentioned when we
did I think we did like a Comedies of two
thousand and I want chick And that's a great I don't.
I think I might admit an honorable mention it, or

(16:09):
maybe Anderson picked it. I know Rush Hours high on
my list, but that would be a film that it's
just like it's a guilty like I've seen it a
thousand times that I'm gonna watch it again as if
I haven't seen it, and I enjoy it every time.

Speaker 3 (16:23):
Guilty pleasure something you you you don't want to admit.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
I don't want to. I wouldn't want to admit that
because it's such a great movie that why do you
want to keep watching it over and over again? Usually
with great movies, you see it once, you're like, you know, what,
do I really need to watch it again?

Speaker 3 (16:36):
Probably not people would get on you about Rush Hour
just because it's a different cultural lens. Well yeah, but yes,
on that aspect, you're right, I don't make it now.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
Yeah. Probably not white chicks either, probably one of those.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
Two, or you know, some white birds like, hey, why
can't you? Why can't why can't you dress up as
a blacks a white person? But I can't dress up
as you?

Speaker 3 (16:57):
Great draft idea movies that you couldn't today Blazing Saddles
went over.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
Yeah, that's what was the movie.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
I only saw a clip of it, but it had
Drake Josh. He was a Drake Bell.

Speaker 3 (17:11):
He would Josh Josh Bell, the bigger one. What's his
name is Josh something? Yes, I know you're talking about
the guy who was also an Oppenheimer.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
Yes, but there was a movie where he was a
bully and I saw a clip of it and the
words he was using, really he was cursing out. It's
called something creek. Oh my gosh, it's gonna bother me.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
Think about it. You're gonna remember it?

Speaker 3 (17:33):
Three Yeah, I do feel like it is like it
was Josh Peck, Josh Peck. It was Drake Bell and
Josh Peck, Josh Peck.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
He was a bully in this film. And at the
end he just goes on a rank. He said Creek.
Maybe not creek. It was a bully. I forget the
name of the film.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
Today, Max Keeple's Big move, I mean mean creek, mean creek.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
There was a clip I saw on Twitter. I thought
it was a I thought it was a I generated
because he was swearing at these kids and using all
tops of all types of foul language that it would
not air today in any movie theater. But I was like,
no way, he was talking like that. And then I
went on YouTube and I'm like, oh my gosh, he
really said.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
All this mean Creek movie also features Rory Culkin, who
I want to say is just one of the younger
brother of Kieran and Macaulay Culkin.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
He won an award at the about that at the
the Golden Globes.

Speaker 3 (18:25):
Yes, no, no, Rory Culkin didn't win that. Kieran Culkin
won that.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
Okay. One of the brothers. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
I can't keep up with all the one of the
ones that's not McCully Ian McCauley.

Speaker 3 (18:32):
Obviously, his life went a certain direction. Kieran turned into
a you know, huge actor who's now just running a
lot of parts of Hollywood after succession. And A Real
Pain movie that I'm gonna be able to see. It's
on streaming this weekend, by the way, actually today, A
Real Pain is now streaming on Hulu, which I'm so
excited to watch this weekend. Jesse Eisenberg's movie alongside Kieran

(18:53):
Culkin and that got big buzz for all the awards,
and that is now streaming finally, Yes, that great point Jackson.

Speaker 1 (19:02):
That is a film that I saw a clip of
and I was like, there's no way they get released
that today. Like that clip alone, draft that clip alone,
love it. I kind of want to show you as
the clip after the show just even be like wow,
he said all those things. I don't remember him talking
about that on Drink and Josh, but.

Speaker 3 (19:14):
I believe it. Just the two thousand and four language
is just miles different.

Speaker 1 (19:18):
And he was talking to like, these kids are like
twelve thirteen. I'm like, bro, what like, I know, you're
a bully and you're I guess and this probably just
graduating getting ready to go into high school. These guys
are in six fifth grade. Man, let them their kids.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
Wait, this is a movie. Though it's a movie, Okay, Yeah,
so he's not doing this in real life.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
Yeah no, And that's what it is because I watched
my sister would watch what was that show called Drake
and Josh or whatever, and these you know, they're nerdy kids, you.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
Know they were childhood, they're children.

Speaker 3 (19:50):
Also, Disney's very different from the way Disney used to
be because like Disney now they do. There was one
show and I don't what's called and I was this
This goes back about eight years and it happened to
be on when I was with my niece and she
was watching. It was just one of those like weirdest
things where it's like they can they can have characters
acting like this on Disney, Like it feels like this

(20:13):
is a show highlighting eighteen year olds, not that eleven
year olds.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
Exactly how I felt watching the movie, because I was like,
wait a second, he's still doing drink and Josh like,
there's two thousand and.

Speaker 3 (20:21):
Four, that's right.

Speaker 1 (20:24):
I was coming out of the Yeah, so he's doing
he's doing a dark role. But on you know, have
you other Day he's on there, happy fun you know,
sad stories here and there.

Speaker 3 (20:34):
Now, Josh Peck's making money off Oppenheimer.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
But an a lot of agents wouldn't let you do that.
They'd be like, no, no, no, no, this is what
you're known for. Role.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
He killed it.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
That's great.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
But yeah, I like that. So yeah, any who continued
guilty Pleasure Jess.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
Well, it's funny when you mentioned white chicks sorority boys.
Have you ever seen them?

Speaker 1 (20:53):
No?

Speaker 2 (20:53):
Oh, it's so funny sorority Yeah, okay, so that one's
really funny. I would recommend it it's old. There's probably
like fifteen twenty years old. Oh my gosh, this is
gonna drive me.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
Without a Paddle.

Speaker 3 (21:06):
Oh that's a great movie. You know what. I love
Seth Green in that. That's a great movie.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
I saw that one one of the guys.

Speaker 3 (21:12):
Oh without a Paddle movie, you know what, I might
make this my recommendation. Let me see where it's streaming.
Without a Paddle is genuinely a fun and also probably
some of that script you couldn't do today. Two thousand
and four and it is on Netflix. Without a Paddle.
Dak Shephard and then the other guy, Matthew Lillard. Matthew
Lillard has a connection to Seattle, by the way, I

(21:32):
don't know what it is. Yeah, yeah, Matthew Lillard. He has
been in a bunch of Seattle sports teams games. I'm
not sure why, but yeah, the three of them. Seth Green,
Matthew Lillard, Dak Sheppard.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
Oh that's a good God.

Speaker 3 (21:45):
Damn, that was a fun movie.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
I love.

Speaker 3 (21:46):
Without a Paddle.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
Well, the only actor you'd recognize from Sorority Boys is
Harlan Williams, and it is quite hilarious. These frat boys
who are jerks. They they or one of the guys
in the frat.

Speaker 3 (22:02):
This is white h This is absolutely white chicks.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
What is exactly? So anyway, they get kicked out, they
get framed for stealing the treasury in their frat, right,
and so they get kicked out, and then all these
girls they have no place to go, they have no
place to live. And these girls who were in the
quote unquote d O G House God hysterical. So anyway,

(22:29):
they get kicked out, and then they they get adopted
by this They cross dress and then they get adopted
by this very unpopular.

Speaker 3 (22:40):
This is unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
I know. That's why.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
So this, this could not fly whatsoever today. Anyway, this
shouldn't have flown in made laugh out loud. It is hysterical.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
I wouldn't admit to watching that either.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
Well, guilty pleasure and can air. So it's stone.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
Let's shift back here and continue what we're watching right now.
Jess what are you? What are you watching right now?

Speaker 2 (23:03):
I just started a new Netflix series. I'm not sure
how new it is. All I know is that it's
new to Netflix. It might have aired elsewhere at the
at some point, because everything's just all over the place.
But it is new is Hilary Duff's in it. It's
called Younger and it's about a woman in her she's
forty and she had she's divorced. She dropped out of
her career to raise her child. So she was gone

(23:25):
for fifteen years. But was this huge up and coming.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
Publicist seven seasons.

Speaker 3 (23:29):
Oh my gosh, oh well, it's just new to NELI
is Hillary Duff like the main star of this.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
No, she is a no, the main but she's in
it and she's super lovable. Yes, her character is also
back in She's the one that you like, are like,
oh my god, thank god that she's there. You really
like her, you like her character. So anyway, this woman,
you know, was a super she was rising really fast
and publishing. She became an editor, like the youngest person

(23:54):
to become an editor, and then had to drop out
at the age of twenty five because she had a kid.
It's been an ex husband is a jerk. And then
so she goes back. She can't find a job because
she's you know, war's this huge fifteen year gap in
your resume and everything has changed, you know. She's like,
I read, isn't that what we do with They're like
no social media TikTok, Instagram, this and that. So her

(24:19):
best friend in the show is really awesome. She's a
Leslian artist who lives in Brooklyn. She's, you know, kind
of cuts the other way than the rest of the
girls that she's around. And she's like, just say you're
twenty six. Who cares? Just they'll believe it if you say.
And so she gets this job and she's playing like
a twenty six year old and she is forty. And

(24:39):
so she's navigating this double life. I'm only for episodes reaction.
She looks amazing, she looks like so she passed.

Speaker 3 (24:50):
Yeah, And that's why I had to ask about it
Hillary Tuff, because it feels like I feel like she's
probably around forty.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
She doesn't age.

Speaker 1 (24:56):
You told me you.

Speaker 3 (24:58):
Said that Hillary Duff was twenty six. I'd believe it.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
And she looks it in the show. She looks amazing.

Speaker 3 (25:02):
Okay, yeah, I'll give it a watch. I would give
it a try, just for Hillary Duff. Am I the
only man here that I grew up with a massive
it was it was like Hillary Duff. It was like
Amanda Bines like like that. Those were my wheelhouse as
a kid. Of like, oh wow, yeah, she still looks good.
I ain't no doubt about that. Thirty seven too, He

(25:23):
definitely thirty seven.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
I mean, oh I thought she was.

Speaker 3 (25:25):
I thought she would be older. I thought she was
around thirty seven September and soul Of I said, I
thought she was older.

Speaker 1 (25:30):
No, you just it's just like, yeah, we were kids
watching her. We always figured she's like twenty eighteen twe yeah,
exactly in real life she's actually like sixteen.

Speaker 3 (25:39):
Show I absolutely thought she was like eighteen.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
What's usually how it goes, you know, afters play younger,
So it makes sense.

Speaker 3 (25:44):
Yeah, all right, go, yeah, that's that's a that's a
good wreck. Anything else.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
Let's say I'm catching up on a lot of things.
So but we've talked about them already, but you know,
there's only so much time, yeah that you can uh
that you can dedicate though. Another guilty place, Mowana.

Speaker 3 (26:01):
I don't think that's good. That is also pure culture.
That was just great. Have you seen Majana too yet?

Speaker 2 (26:06):
No? It's on my list.

Speaker 3 (26:07):
Okay, good, So we'll talk about Molana too, because Andrews
and I saw that and we had lots of thoughts.
So when you see Molana two. We'll we'll, we'll hit
that again, Chris, go ahead.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
So I actually screwed this up because I started season
two first and then watch season one. But the cool
thing is they're separate seasons. They're not at all tied
together at all. And it's Goosebumps. So I'm sure, I'm
sure you guys remember Goosebumps as a kid.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
You know.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
The only critique I have is they don't have the music,
the dun dun dun dunn. I was kind of like
when they brought it back, they didn't include that.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
No.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
I was kind of disappointed in that, but the show was.
It was actually good. So the second season, I'll start
there because unfortunately that's where I started. Disney, right, I
think it is on Disney. So I actually saw it
on Hulu first and I was like, wait a second,
it's on Disney. To screw all that because Hulu commercials much.
I paid extra money, thank you for that. Yes, So
I ended up going and starting the second season, and

(26:59):
it's about these twins for their names, but they move
into they go on vacation with their dad and they
move into this new crib and it's abandoned and quote
unquote supposedly there's a haunted fort where a few friends
go off and come to find out there's a deeper,
darker mystery. And the twins actually realized their dad has

(27:20):
allowed to do with it. Their uncle was one of
the missing four or five kids that went missing forty
years prior, and it.

Speaker 3 (27:26):
Was on season one season two. Sometimes is that a
reference then to No, it's not.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
That's what I'm saying. That deep That's why when I
went back and watchingson one, I was like, oh, it
has nothing to do with it.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
So this is the season two is the David Swimmer.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
One David Shwimmer Let me look up the cast, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
Because that one's being advertised quite happy it is.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
Yeah, and it looks and the traders and yeah, things
make it look pretty so and yeah, it's a great story.
It's fun, it's entertaining, and you know, the ending gets
you a little bit. You're like, damn, okay, but you
know it was you know, it reminds you of some
cases of missing children today.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
If you enjoyed, let's ask two questions here. The first
question is is it in the same vein as the
original Goosebumps or does it feel like an entirely different
type of shit.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
It's a it's a different show, but it's good. And
then Season one, yeah, which is which is just I mean, yeah,
we all grew up with that. Yeah, we grew up
a groosebuy. Season one though, it's five high schoolers, if
I'm not mistaken, and they go on a twisted journey
investigating a passing of someone in this crazy house three
decades earlier, so their parents might have something to do

(28:31):
with this kid, and they're they're putting all the pieces
together and they're wondering, like, why are these things happening
just to us, Like did our parents have something to
do with this kid thirty years ago? Like this is
really strange, and they're trying to figure it out, and
it comes together. It comes together.

Speaker 3 (28:49):
Speaking of high schoolers investigating murders, have either of you
ever seen this movie called Mystery Team?

Speaker 2 (28:55):
Oh but Donald Glovers in it?

Speaker 3 (28:57):
So Mystery Team is a movie. Is a movie that
came out in two thousand and nine, and I am
of the belief that Mystery Team is one of the
most under talked about or known movies.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
Of all time.

Speaker 3 (29:10):
It features three high school kids and one of them
is Donald Glover with two other kids that I don't
they haven't been in anything. But then also it features
Aubrey Plaza, elie kemper Well. It has a really interesting
side cast with some other really hilarious people. And it's
a comedy about these three high school nerds who are
just the epitome of the word nerd. They're in the

(29:33):
late two thousands and they decide to investigate a murder
and as kids, they had this group called the Mystery Team,
and they come back together to solve a murder and
it's just it's a comedy of errors because it's like
it's the rest of the movie is absolute legit, like
the police get involved, it's actually like serious. Everybody else,
every single other character other than three of them is

(29:54):
dead serious. Of there was just like like this could
have been a very serious thing. There's like crimes happening
in this this is really serious, but the three of
them just think it's a total joke and just treat
it like a total joke and it creates this very
hilarious dynamic. Looks like it's only available to watch on
two B, which really sucks. The I will say Mystery
Team is one of is one of the funniest freaking

(30:17):
movies I've ever seen. And Donald Glover, I mean this
was when he was still nothing. This was like Community.
I don't even know if it had started yet, and
it's so unbelievably hilarious.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
Yeah, that sounds good.

Speaker 3 (30:29):
It's you will you will crack up if you are
a fan of Donald Glover or Aubrey Plase Alley kemper
that it's that it's their kind of comedy. Yeah, Okay,
I like it so speaking. Sorry to interrupt, Chris, but
in terms of high schoolers, that that's a comedy of
high schoolers.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
This unfortunately, this is not a comedy. They certainly not.
But man, it's you don't have to watch season one first.
But they were two good seasons. I'm hoping they do
a third season of Goosebumps. Probably not have anything, actually,
I know I won't have anything to do with season
two or one.

Speaker 3 (31:02):
Kind of True Detective in that sense.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
Yeah, so it was definitely interesting. I just if they
met the music. That was my only like, what are
you doing? You know, if you're gonna do Goosebumps, give
me the dun dun dun, dun dun. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
Read the books. Yeah, yeah, well, I just like they
actually had like bumps on the title and everything, and
you could you know, was sure there were bumps and
maybe it wasn't for people that were blind, well if
they if it was, I can read Braill.

Speaker 3 (31:28):
Okay, you know it. Remember when you were in elementary
school and the like Scholastic book Fair would come into
your classroom. That's I think where I remember Goosebumps also
from that, then they would bring the Goosebumps in there,
and like when you said it like it felt on
the cover, that like clicked in my brain.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
Oh yeah, there was that weird when it said goosebumps,
the goose bumps on the cover had.

Speaker 1 (31:51):
Yeah, yeah, it was good Reads. And then I remember
the show was really creepy, and they had some ties
to earlier episodes or even the worms from Goosebumps. I
don't know if you remember any of those crazy like
the intro. I think I had worms in the intro,
like really disgusting, and there was a I think there
was a season where a dude just eight worms. He

(32:11):
was a creepy, creepy guy. So they have some ties
to if you remember. I'm like, I swear that was
in the original, but I could be wrong, but yeah,
overall fun. Each episode is about thirty five minutes thirty minutes,
like they're really to the point, but they're pretty good
and they're entertaining, and it just brought back Goose but memory, like, wow,
I remember reading these books and has just alluded to

(32:34):
and then watching those shows and being like, I can't
watch this. This is really disgusted against creepy.

Speaker 3 (32:38):
So you finished the season. Yeah, I was gonna say
it bringing up next week when Andrews is back, because
he's the Friends guy, he's the David Trummer fan.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
Well, I think i'll yes try to remind me to
bring it up again because I think Anderson would enjoy it,
just because you know, this guy was playing Friends for
how long? Did that last? Ten plus years?

Speaker 2 (32:53):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (32:54):
Yeah, I think longer. So you get to see him
in a new light. I don't know his role on Friends,
but I can imagine I'll be a cool guy.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
You didn't watch Friends ever.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
I'm black, thirteen years old watching Friends.

Speaker 3 (33:05):
Two thumbs way down on the Friends.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
I was watching smack down wat overrated show of all.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
Oh I don't like love it or anything, but I
can have it on the background.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
I had, I had an option watching SmackDown or some
show called Friends.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
Well, I never watched it, like live or anything like that.
I would be like, huh, no, thanks, let me watch
the rock Choke Slam.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (33:26):
John Cena also, was it not an extremely racist show?

Speaker 2 (33:30):
It should? Actually I was going to bring I was
going to watch I was going to bring that up today.
I don't know if it was racist, like really raciently
seen that. It was the undertones of like of like
there was no there was never and I noticed when
there is in a show like that, you know where
I mean, I feel like Seinfeld was kind of the
opposite of that, where they included a lot more diversity

(33:53):
and even Seinfeld not to go too far on a
finite tangent, but they even had the gay episode, not
that there's anything wrong with that, where that wasn't being
talked about they were. They were basically saying how people
like were being so careful about talking about it correctly. Yeah,
but Friends, I don't think that was when I was
going to bring up that. No, that couldn't air because
it was very anti gay. I can I can definitely

(34:15):
say that. And then yeah, the cast was as white
as snow.

Speaker 3 (34:20):
And well Well said, it's just the exclusivity and the
exclusion of Friends just always struck me as like it's
like what are you doing? Like for the show runners,
like like you realize that you're.

Speaker 1 (34:34):
In New York City City.

Speaker 3 (34:36):
I think there's more than like six white people in
New York City And that's kind of just way the
way that the show was framed, and I always had
a problem with that. So yeah, I'll say this while
Anders is off the podcast, because he would give the
most resistance.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
Friends sucks.

Speaker 3 (34:48):
Friends is a completely overrated show, Chris, you're watching anything
else or just playing Madden, No, that.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
Would be it. Just goosebumps. That was my latest spill.
I enjoyed it. I binge through that mug and I
was like, man, I want more. So hopefully they drop
a new season next year. I don't know, we'll see
what happens.

Speaker 3 (35:05):
Does anybody Before we move on to the musical and
musical biopic conversation and ranking, does anybody? Did anybody watch
the show Daredevil?

Speaker 2 (35:14):
I did?

Speaker 1 (35:14):
Yeah, I watch. I have to rewatch it now after
watching a trailer. I'm very excited. If anything, I wish
they'd be back Luke Cage. I feel like that was
they left a lot of meat.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
Let's let's start because since you're the only one who's
seen it, then I'm not going to go watch the
first three seasons of Daredevil because dare devil Born again?
The new trailers out it's a new Marvel Studio series. Uh,
they're bringing in this character called the Punisher. They're kind
of extending it through what happened in the Hawkeye show,
uh with the Mayor of New York Kingpin. So it's

(35:46):
it's sort of it's season four, but it's also supposed
to be an entirely new show because the title is
born Again. So Chris tell us about Deadpool the first
three or sorry not ted Pool, geez, Daredevil the first
three seasons? What this show is about? What kind of
a character is this and what should he we and
people be expecting for a season four slash one of

(36:07):
that devil born.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
That's the problem. It's been so long that I don't
even remember. That's why I said I have to go
back and re watch it, because I honestly don't remember.
I remember he was a blind to whoop an ass
and trying to save the world, but I couldn't give
you anything other than that. And I enjoyed it. But
it came out in like twenty sixteen, if I'm not
mistaken now twenty five nine years and I enjoyed it
when I was watching it, but then it took a

(36:30):
long break.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
Let me look up when it twenty fifteen.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
My bad, I will tell you that's a decade a guess.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
So, yeah, three seasons and this is the fourth coming out.

Speaker 3 (36:40):
But it's the fourth, but they're also like reintroducing it
to an entirely new They're trying to make it so
you don't need to have watched the first three secson
was my assumption in the trailer to say exactly, but
at the same time, like I'm wondering, Okay, I get it.
He's a blind lawyer and it looks like it's very
gruesome violence. I tell you this, oh yeah, and say,
oh you're blonde, We're gonna take it easy on you.

(37:01):
They beat him like he had he could see.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
I was like, god, damn.

Speaker 3 (37:04):
So I guess then then maybe you don't have to
get into the plot though. But what were your impressions
of the Daredevil show? Just I recollect I.

Speaker 1 (37:11):
Really enjoyed it. I enjoyed it. I thought the storyline
was good. You know, there's always a young lady in there.
You know, he can't see, but he's still able to
pull to bad He's you know, come on, man, I
might not be able to see, but this is like
a Marvel Disney thing. So I didn't know how how
they're going on. Always a love interest, my man, my man, murdog.
You know, baby, I can't see, but I can feel,

(37:32):
and you know what, I like what I'm feeling.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
So yeah, sixth sense hotties.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
But yeah, I thought it was great. I just don't
remember now. I'm really gonna have to go back and
watch season one, and I'm sorry, I'm hung up on this.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
So like obviously with like with Marvel and with Avengers
and this kind of stuff, they've never gone in a
romantic direction. Like I can't recall one show that's gone
in that kind of way. I mean later on in
the in the first season. But you're saying, but you're
saying like it is an absolute part of the show.
There is, there is romanticism. There's that kind of sex. No, No,

(38:04):
they keep it very Pg.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
Thirteen. There's more of you'll see him getting his ass
beat more than you'll see him kiss a girl. Like
he's just you remember Spider Man when Green Goblin just
whoops Peter Parker's ass? Yeah, Like I thought that might
have been the most gruesome ass beating that a superhero
has ever taken. Like my man got punch and he's
I'm just like, yo, this is PG thirteen. He threw

(38:26):
a bomb at Spider Man and blew his mask off.
You might just kill him at this point, Okay, Merster Murdog.
There's a couple of scenes in season one and two.
I'm just like, how was he alive? Like they whooped
his ass?

Speaker 2 (38:37):
What's a superpower? Like? Oh, well, his senses are like
because of the blindness.

Speaker 1 (38:42):
Because of the blindness, and then he takes you know,
martial arts, he learns his body, so everything is pretty natural. Yeah,
you know, touched by I don't know what kind of blinding.
So if he is sliced by his sword, he's going
to bleed it. Oh yeah, it's yeah, he needs to
like you have to be able to fight. This isn't
like sliced by sword. Well, I'm the Daredevil, right exactly.

(39:02):
That's kind kind of like Ben Affleck in that movie.
He didn't have superpower. He is blind, but he knew
how to whoop some masks.

Speaker 3 (39:08):
All I remember about that was electure. I gotta be honest,
that's fair.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
But yeah, Teddy er Garner, Yeah, you know, I could
be wrong, but I'm ninety nine percent sure. He ain't
got no superpower. He just blind, but he learns how
to use that blindness and fights evil.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
So you'll be you'll be certainly watching this. I imagine
first day, I'm.

Speaker 1 (39:25):
Gonna have to go now. I'm not to go back
and wat because I don't remember anything from three from
ten years ago.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
I him better than Clark Kent too, in his alter
ego as a lawyer.

Speaker 1 (39:33):
That's a little bit I think you guys would be
interested in. I know it sucks because that's what thirty
episodes you'd have to watch.

Speaker 3 (39:38):
I'm not going to as you as you watch it.
I'm I'm gonna continuously ask you about Daredevil because that's time.
I'm sorry, I don't have. There's so much other good stuff.
I just like sever in season two started, I'm not
going to go back and watch Dared.

Speaker 1 (39:50):
Who would change your mind on that? Like if someone
was like, you have to see this or maybe not
someone or maybe what would be able to change your
mind or you said in the change, and if you
said the stone, that's fair.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
I think I'm pretty setting stone just because it's it's
so much to commit to, like and the thing. The
thing with Black Sales, I think it's I think it's
the fact that Anders recommended it and then you started
watching and you're like this is wild. And I'm like, Okay,
if both you guys are so over the moon about
Black Sales, I will do it. So Jess gets into

(40:23):
everybody pressures me into it and says, dude, you have
to do this. And also you both were like, no, Jackson,
you will like Black Sales.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
Now.

Speaker 3 (40:30):
It ended up at like sixteenth overall for me, So like,
great show, you know me very well, But.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
No, I feel you and I might go back, And
I'm like, damn, this show wasn't as good as I thought.
You know, but this was this is a decade ago
when I was Wow two.

Speaker 3 (40:43):
But I want to hear as you re watch. I
want to hear your takes on it. I got you
live through you to get ready for Daredevil Born Again.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
But I don't go back.

Speaker 3 (40:52):
So Lawyer Matt Murdoch better alter ego than Clark Kent
newspaper writer, writer slash potographer slash just.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
Well, Peter Parker is a photographer. Clark Kent is the
quote unquote journalist, is way better of a journalist. She's
like the star journalist. So he's like second fiddle there,
and it's just like and I like the lawyer. I
like the lawyer because it's like, you know, he's fighting
for justice in the streets by night and then he's

(41:22):
fighting for justice the legal way.

Speaker 3 (41:34):
Uh Judd, Why I was saying Gene not Gene JK. Simmons,
thank you, Yes, just fantastic.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
That's you know what.

Speaker 3 (41:41):
That's also a good ranking slash draft alter egos of superheroes.
So you got like, you're you're your Peter Parker, you know,
doing what he does. And you can also go different
Peter Parker's. You can go photographer Peter Parker, you can
go just student Peter Parker from the MCU. You can
go Murdoch, lawyer, you can go Clark Kent, you can
go uh Bruce Wayne, you know, the billionaire playboy.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
I mean, Wonder Woman has some weird archaeologist and.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
I watched that, but this.

Speaker 3 (42:10):
I like the alter ego draft. You don't get their superhero.
You're just almost drafting like who you would rather maybe
hang out with, who you would we who you would
want to have a friend be a friend with?

Speaker 1 (42:20):
You know what?

Speaker 3 (42:21):
Draft the alter egos?

Speaker 1 (42:22):
Who is tough?

Speaker 2 (42:23):
I like this? You know what?

Speaker 3 (42:26):
Next week we are doing this the alter egos you
would want to be friends with?

Speaker 1 (42:31):
I might have to old Hancock just a drunk asshole?
Will Smith?

Speaker 2 (42:37):
Right, yeah, he himself.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
You are drunk.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
I've been drinking, bitch, I will say, is Hancock ever
his alter ego? Because he is who he is?

Speaker 1 (42:47):
Yes, there are. He cleans up quite a bit.

Speaker 3 (42:49):
Okay, so then it's like you're still kind of like
I love this for a draft next week, the alter
egos you would want to be a friend with.

Speaker 1 (42:57):
We should probably write this down because it's gonna happen
and we're gonna forget.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
Okay, I've got a weird one to throw in there.
What about the cars that the transformers are in? Like,
would you want to be a Beatle? That's the original Bumblebee.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
I mean he's I like being a human. I do
not want to be a vehicle.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
And no, no, I take a diesel truck. No, I'm good. Okay,
Well anyway, yeah, that one's.

Speaker 1 (43:19):
Weird texting it now.

Speaker 3 (43:20):
And draft next week is the superhero alter egos you
would want to be friends.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
With all and then she's all call me crazy.

Speaker 1 (43:37):
Okay, that's tremendous word doing that next week.

Speaker 3 (43:40):
Okay, Okay, let's get into our big ranking draft conversation
about musicals, Anders said this line last week that really
connected me, and he said he defines a musical as
something where the biggest emotional points in the movies are
told or in the movie is told through music. It's
a very nice line, and I don't think I agree

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with it, but it's it's a really really clear, concise,
clean line. I don't know how I define musical. I
think I would define it as like when music plays
its own character in a movie, but even that's very vague.
How do you guys define what a musical is as
we kind of look to rank our favorite musicals.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
I would put it as something that it's a part
of the script, right, It's not just you break out
in song. It actually tells a part of the story,
but it's just done through song, so not necessarily a character.
And it doesn't have to be the most emotional moment,
but it tells the story. Like let's go to I
don't know in canto right, like we're I mean, I

(44:43):
know I'm going to animated.

Speaker 3 (44:45):
But that brings that whole conversation to Disney, like how
much how much music makes a Disney movie a musical?

Speaker 2 (44:50):
I see, I don't look at those as musicals. It
has to be a person. But I'm just using it
as an example of like the songs, like you know,
the stories are told, and it's not necessarily the most
emotional moments. Some of it's funny, some of it's light,
some of it some of it's that I've seen a
bunch of Broadway plays and some of them are extremely
you know, you know, very dark, and that's emotional. When

(45:14):
those songs come out, some of them are light and
they're funny, and you know, they just tell a story.
They're still musicals. I mean, I saw romea Michelle the
Musical and it was pretty awesome, by the way, But yeah,
it has to tell. It has to tell a part
of the story, be a part of the script, be
a part of the plot. For me, that's a musical.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
I agree with you on that. I don't have anything
to add or disagree with, so I guess.

Speaker 3 (45:37):
I guess my pretty simp follow up would be like
for a musical biopic All Love Bohemian Rhapsody a rocket
Man where music plays such a and I think those
are two very different movies. And to co Off and
Anders point, like in rocket Man, every emotional moment in
that movie is done through music. Bohemian Rhapsody not so much.

(45:58):
But Bohemian Rhapsody is deaf finely. Music plays a giant
role in that movie, but it doesn't have the same
role in regards to Rockaman. So to do musical biopics
count as musicals.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
I don't think so.

Speaker 3 (46:12):
And is it a brush stroke for all of them?
Because I mean Rocketman for me, I think Rocky Man
is a musical because to Anders's point, to my thought,
like music does play its own character in the movie.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
Does it tell the story?

Speaker 3 (46:26):
I think it does, okay, because they pick certain songs
I think in Rocketman for certain moments that tell the
story of Elton John.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
Yeah, I guess, but it's his music, right, It's not
like a song you know that is part of the script.
It's still it's already written. It's yeah, it can play
a part. And I mean the same with Bohemian Rhapsody,
specifically the song Bohemian Rhapsody. I really enjoyed learning that
part of it because I think, as far as I read,

(46:55):
it was pretty true to the truth, the true story
of Queen. And you know, they obviously, you know, punch
up some things during the movie, but I would absolutely
not consider that a musical. It was just a story
of how they came up with these songs and how
the band evolved, and Freddie Mercury obviously taking center stage.
But I don't look at it as a musical.

Speaker 3 (47:17):
It's I think I think as we kind of rank these,
we knew, we knew going and we couldn't do a
draft out of this because the way we all define
musicals is so different. But specifically because you've es you've
kind of phrased how some these movies don't count, these
movies don't count these I want to start with you
in terms of your ranking for your favorite musicals, because
I do want to see what you do describe it.

(47:40):
So let's just go top three. What what do you
consider to be your favorite musicals? With the definition you've given.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
I don't even know because I don't I cut so
many out, like I like the movies, I like songs
in I don't consider Disney movies.

Speaker 3 (47:55):
Well, I mean, we don't even do a ranking. Let's
just talk about then, Let's just let's just talk about
what are then or if you were to thinking about
what are your favorite musicals? As this is all the
conversations coming up because Wicked wins the Golden Globe for
Best box Office, which I still say is absolute bull
crap because it made half as much as dead Pool Wolverine.
And if you have a box Office Award Golden Globes,
you shouldn't give it to a movie that made half

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as much as another.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
Go ahead, I completely agree with that. I'm trying to
think of Okay, as you think then, I honestly can't.

Speaker 3 (48:23):
Then, Chris, I know we talked about this at our
desks where in terms of your definition of musical, I
know you had a few favorites.

Speaker 1 (48:30):
I'll go Grease, Yeah, that is a clear obvious musical
like this one's probably not, but I'll go eight mile.

Speaker 3 (48:37):
See that's an interesting one, right. It's not a musical biopick,
very clearly. It's also one where you have music, for me,
plays its own character in the movie. And how much
music is in that My musical definition is broad, so
I would say eight Mile counts. So it's also a

(48:59):
great freaking just rap. It's not your typical. You wouldn't
think of it as a musical because of the genre.
When you think of musical, you think of.

Speaker 1 (49:09):
Greece. Greece is.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
That's a really good one.

Speaker 1 (49:12):
It's a real raunchy like, oh, he's rapping, but you
know it's technically music, so you know, it's sort of like.

Speaker 3 (49:18):
Straight out of Compton, right, straight out of content. For me,
it's a musical biopic, but they they have a lot
of music in that. It's right on the line of
being a musical. But I think eight Mile is more
of a musical than Straight out of Compton is.

Speaker 1 (49:28):
And then also what is it the Grinch?

Speaker 3 (49:31):
Oh that's yeah, that's a clear one.

Speaker 1 (49:33):
Right, those would be my three. Yeah, not in any order, but.

Speaker 3 (49:36):
Yeah, I mean that that's that's also I feel like
it's a it's a movie, but it also has enough
music where it strays into that realm.

Speaker 1 (49:43):
And the music, as Jess would you say, what the
music does.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
It's a part of the plot. It tells the story. Okay, well,
obviously Wizard of Oz, that that one. I you know,
you went on to go with Grease and I was like, oh, well, yeah,
definitely Wizard of another one that it completely forgot about
on a play. But Chicago, Chicago, did you guys see
the movie?

Speaker 3 (50:04):
Yeah, and that that fully counts for sure.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
I mean it.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
It's one of those like like Wicked, where it is
straight from it, but it's very clearly a musical.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
Yeah, and I thought that movie was unbelievably well produced.
I think it got really really good reviews when it
came out.

Speaker 3 (50:17):
I think it did.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
Yeah, that was a fantastic movie. And I had not
seen the play, and so that was my first time
seeing it, and I am not a huge musical fan.
So I loved the movie. So yeah, I'll get those two.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
Oh my gosh, Oh my gosh, you talked about I
was going to company, Oliver and Company. Yes, I don't
know if I've heard of all that. He's a cat.
It's a animation movie and Company nineteen eighty eight film.
So many good songs, washito ill And this brings up

(50:57):
sort of the animated thing, right, We're like this and
the Disney movies for how much music is in these,
Like it's you know, it's like hour twenty and there's
a bunch of songs and it's about a kid that
is homeless. What's a better way of saying, it's give
us a stray. There you go, and he is brought
in by dogs and the dogs treat him like, oh

(51:17):
a cat, and they love on him and that's yeah,
it's coming back. It's a really good movie. I actually
watched it like a couple of years ago. I was like, Wow,
this is really a good movie. It's only like an
hour and ten minutes. But that hour and ten minutes
has you locked in forty years later? Oh jeez man.
Just a great movie. And why should I wear ray?
Why should I care? I got streets something baby? Such

(51:40):
a good movie. That song stuck in my head. There's
other songs in there too, but that is I just
was like, oh my gosh, I forgot about this musical
and it came out before I was even born, you.

Speaker 3 (51:48):
Know, And I think I think stuff like that, And
that's why like Lion King would be on my rankings, yes,
because there is a to Andre's point, big emotional moments
are told in song, and yes there's a big emotional
that happened without song, but they very much lead into
or out of songs. So I think that kind of
combines its own character. And also the songs are just bangers.

(52:09):
But you know, in that sense like those kind of
movies like if there if music plays a big enough
role in it, then like if there's eight songs in
an hour and a half movie, if eight to ten
songs feels like kind of the line for if you
have that much, you're a musical Moana, right, Molana, I
would I would say that it's you could call you

(52:30):
could call that.

Speaker 1 (52:30):
A musical Molana.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
And then in canto, like I had mentioned, those two
are pretty big little Mermaid if you want to go
old school. I remembered another one that I forgot, Yeah,
Mulan Rouge.

Speaker 3 (52:41):
I was gonna you brought Chicago.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
That's another good one too, a mulah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (52:46):
But but Mulan Rouge, I know, terrific, right, because I
don't think that was a player or anything.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
I don't think so. I think it just went straight.
It was a movie that looked like it was based
on a play.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
Like a stripper movie.

Speaker 3 (52:58):
Oh, yeah, I mean it was, yeah, basically right.

Speaker 1 (53:01):
I've never seen it, but.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
It just didn't show they were and the course, it's
the whole.

Speaker 3 (53:09):
Was Christina Aguile in the actual movie music video question?

Speaker 2 (53:13):
I think she was, but very requires research.

Speaker 3 (53:16):
Christopher's rein gil I shouldn't do this on a work computer,
but no, none, no, I listen.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
I think the private browser.

Speaker 3 (53:26):
That made it very popular among the young men. If
Christina Aguiler is music video for that, yes, that's a
good call, Jackson, So yeah, Lion King Mowana, I think
those count. There's a movie that that I think doesn't count,
called Yesterday. It's basically a story of a guy in
England gets into a bike accident and in this accident,

(53:47):
the power goes out across planet Earth and everybody forgets
the Beatles. Every tremendous, tremendous movie. Everybody on Earth forgets
the Beatles except like three people, and this guy is
one of them, and he also happens to play guitar.
So then he says, nobody remembers the Beatles. Great, I'm
just going to write and play and make albums of

(54:07):
every single Beatles song ever. So obviously, music plays a
giant role in the movie, you're constantly hearing Beatles song
after Beatles song after Beatles song through this guy's lens.
And he's a great singer. And they actually even put
out Yesterday put out its own album for it, where
he sounds very much like Paul McCartney. It's it's a
really fun, great movie, but it's not a musical. The

(54:31):
music doesn't play its own character and it doesn't tell
the story. And it's just it's it's just it is
the story. The music is the story, but it isn't
its own piece of it. Right, So I would Yesterday.
I love Yesterday, but it doesn't count as a musical. Rocketman,
for my money, it does count as a musical, and
it's probably my number two because I think the story

(54:52):
of Elton John, how they did it, the concert at
Dodgers Stadium, the concert at the Cabin in the Woods
in Hollywood, I'm not concert, but the performance there. It's
just I think Rocketman is one of the most tremendous movies,
let alone bio picks made in the last decade or so.
If you haven't seen Rocketman, I think it's better than

(55:12):
Behemian Rhapsody. And I do like Bohemian Rhapsody. I just
think that Rocketman is just so flawlessly executed, including the
time jumps, by the way, they just nail it. But
my number one, and tell me if this doesn't count,
it's Willy Wonka, because Wily Wonka, it's the it's not
the big moments necessarily. I don't think it fits Andrew's description,
but it fits mine where music is its own character

(55:35):
in the movie and it hits these big emotional moments
and it has, in my money, the best single song
in movie history.

Speaker 1 (55:45):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (55:46):
I don't think that for my money, anything can can
can reach the point where Willy Wonka opens his doors
to the chocolate factory and brings everybody into the chocolate room.
And you know, I don't, I don't know, Like I think, nothing,
nothing cuts to that moment like any other song I
think in movie history.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
Yeah, I would go with that. I did that one counts,
you know, the world of pure imagination.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
Pure imagination obviously, Yeah, but.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
Yeah, no, that's one hundred percent of musical.

Speaker 3 (56:17):
So for me, it's number one because it's and it's
just it's an absolute classic and Gene Wilder and I
want to just forget that Johnny Depp ever did that role,
because no, but Timothy Shallow. Timothy did wonderful Wonka. It
felt like it felt like a very honorable service to
Gene Wilder, his memory, his character. It did feel at

(56:40):
a lot of points like you are watching young Gene Wilder.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
Yes, I completely agree, and you kind of like love
this origin story of Wonka.

Speaker 3 (56:48):
Anybody's seen a Complete Unknown yet Timothy Shallo May speaking
of as Bob Dylan.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
No, I want to.

Speaker 3 (56:54):
I want to see it at some point, maybe it'll
his streaming. But apparently it's very good. He's getting rave
reviews because Timothy shall make can do anything. And apparently
he just plays the perfect Bob Dylan.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
Yeah, and he's not just talented, but he I read
somewhere that he like basically like locked himself down for
a year becoming Bob Dylan. No way, really went hardcore
into being this character, you know, not pretentious about it
and everything like do call me Bob on set and
then nothing like that. But he really locked in to

(57:28):
becolm him. And I think that's really it.

Speaker 3 (57:30):
Well he did. I believe he sings the songs in
a Complete Unknown.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
Yes, he trained his voice for that.

Speaker 1 (57:36):
That's incredible.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
Yeah, No, that's what I mean is like he like
became him.

Speaker 3 (57:40):
That's just something about the Bohemian Rhapsody, like Bohemian and
Taron Edgerton and Rocketman. Also he did the songs as
Elton John he himself sang. But I don't think and
I'll have to remember the actor playing in Bohemian Rhapsody.
I don't think it was his voice. I think they
actually play the queen tracks. And I did have a

(58:03):
problem with that. Oh really, Yeah, if you're doing the
musical biopic, then yes, you got to get somebody who
looks like the person. But also like if the person
can sing, or if the person can perform as that person,
it just adds so much more.

Speaker 2 (58:18):
I mean it does. But yeah, it was a Remy
Malik who played Freddie Mercury. But I don't think that
matters because it's not. His performance was fantastic, and you
know he had I mean they made him, you know,
look like him and everything. But yeah, you could make
someone else look like him, I guess. But he was
cast for a reason. I don't even know. I don't
know if he did or didn't, but I have never

(58:39):
seen him in anything else. Where he sings. So I
don't know.

Speaker 3 (58:45):
He goes, Oh, imagine, imagine, Timothy shallmy, you haven't seen Dune?

Speaker 1 (58:50):
No, my god, have you done Dune? I fell asleep,
couldn't do it.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
Kid and I are on the very similar wavelet with
the War, and I was like, that's it.

Speaker 3 (59:02):
You didn't watch Done too clearly, I know, because I
thought there's a lot more worms in Doune two.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
Well they could. Yeah, Doom one or Doom just was not.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
It for me.

Speaker 3 (59:12):
Done two should win the Oscar for Best Picture. It won't,
but it should.

Speaker 2 (59:15):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (59:15):
That'll be it for our podcast today. We want to
thank all of you for listening. Anders will be back
next week as we will draft the alter egos. We
would want to be friends with. What a fantastic idea
Christopher Kid see Kid two oh six Jessman McIntyre at
Jessman McIntyre at Jackson on Radio here for Jackson Felts.
We thank you all for listening to Hollywood Weekly. Hope
you enjoyed the episode. We'll be back next week. Enjoy

(59:36):
your time at the movies.

Speaker 1 (59:37):
Everybody