February 17, 2024 • 39 mins
Chris Dorsey has been called the 'brand-father' of outdoor television having helped create and launch almost 60 series in the outdoor genre and an equal number of series in mainstream television, including for such networks as ABC, Discovery Channel, History Channel, HGTV, Travel, DIY, ESPN, WGN America, National Geographic, Nat Geo Wild, Destination America, Oxygen, and all the outdoor networks.
Dorsey formerly served as editor in chief of Sports Afield and Ducks Unlimited magazines, is the author of twelve books, and is a regular contributor to Forbes. His work also has appeared in The Wall Street Journal, National Geographic, Newsweek, and The Robb Report. He is among the world's most widely traveled hunters having taken the twenty-nine big game species of North America, the deadly seven species of Africa, the spiral horns of Africa and the wild turkey world slam. He is a member of the Outdoor Legends Hall of Fame and is a recipient of the Ray Scott Trailblazer Award as well as the Curt Gowdy Memorial Award.
Dorsey has also served in board and advisory positions of numerous conservation and sporting advocacy organizations. Chris is the producer and host of Sporting Classics with Chris Dorsey television show airing on Outdoor Channel, CarbonTV, Waypoint TV, Outdoor America, and Wild Television Network.
Dorsey formerly served as editor in chief of Sports Afield and Ducks Unlimited magazines, is the author of twelve books, and is a regular contributor to Forbes. His work also has appeared in The Wall Street Journal, National Geographic, Newsweek, and The Robb Report. He is among the world's most widely traveled hunters having taken the twenty-nine big game species of North America, the deadly seven species of Africa, the spiral horns of Africa and the wild turkey world slam. He is a member of the Outdoor Legends Hall of Fame and is a recipient of the Ray Scott Trailblazer Award as well as the Curt Gowdy Memorial Award.
Dorsey has also served in board and advisory positions of numerous conservation and sporting advocacy organizations. Chris is the producer and host of Sporting Classics with Chris Dorsey television show airing on Outdoor Channel, CarbonTV, Waypoint TV, Outdoor America, and Wild Television Network.
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Tradition, conservation, family, theupdoors. It matters to you, it
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Here's Joe Bitar. Good morning,Welcome to Hunting Matters on kprc N.
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I'm fifty. This is your host, Joe Vitar. I am Ramon Robless
and we are trying to figure outwhat the day is going to be,
like we're going to be thirty oris there going to be seven? Five?
It is Houston, so just flipa coin crazy. I just want
you to know last week, asyou know, it was a big Super
Bowl game. Yes, and Iwould have bet had I been able to
in Houston, Texas. Yeah,I would have bet a lot of money
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on the Chiefs simply because everybody saidthat they weren't the favorites. Thought it's
to Kansas City Chiefs. Have youseen them play before? Yeah, it
doesn't matter what the record is oranything. And by the way, they
seem to hit their stride late latelateness. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm
perturbed that I lost out on that, But I did win one of those
Office Square games. Oh good,So I won two hundred and fifty bucks
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that's cool. I did. Idid play a bigger one. Yeah,
four hundred dollars a square. Yeah, each quarter was ten thousand dollars.
Wow. And I barely missed outon that. Wow, that would have
been cool. I wouldn't have beenhere work today. So for those who
don't know him, a local,a local hero, if you will,
mattress Mac. Did he bet onthe Super Bowl this year? I don't
think so. Okay, I didn'tsee anything in the news, got it,
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you'd hear it if yeah, ifhe if you a million dollars at
Taylor Swift, you know where's ared blose whatever? Yeah, yeah,
yeah, it would have bet.He bets straight up though he BET's usually
straight up with no points, juststright up winners, winners and losers.
So it was I saw parts ofthe game. Yeah, you were busy
on a crazy weekend, but sawparts of the game. And you know,
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to be honest with you, Ilike the commercials as much as the
game. So they had a fewfew good commercials that I saw. I
had my vote, what would youhave a vote for your favorite? A
lot of them stick. I likedArnold Swarzenegger stayed far Yeah, and Danny.
That was good, like like agood neighbor, exactly what about you.
I gotta I gotta give it toBen affleck mm and the Duncan don't
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damon the Duncan donuts one that theycan make fun of themselves and just yeah,
a treat well just Tom Brady,I mean standing off to the side.
It's just the perfect thing, thewhole thing. So yeah, I
thought that was pretty cool. Butuh, yeah, it was good.
I mean it was a good game. I did see the end of the
game, so that was exciting.I was glad it went overtime. And
I just that's all you can askwere in the Super Bowl. If your
team's not playing, it's just justa good game, exactly like most of
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the years, a lot of yearsthat you have these blowouts and it's just
like, yeah, when you're notemotionally invested in it, it makes it
more enjoyable to watch. Yeah,And I pulled for the underdog typically yeah,
which would have been Kansas City,this which is yeah. And they
looked really awful at the beginning ofthe well, the first half they didn't
look good at all. But thenyou know, okay, look it's Patrick
Mahomes it's stravisy. It's like,it's like, uh not, I'm a
fan of his. But if you'renot up on Tom Brady about least four
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touchdowns in the fourth court, you'rein trouble exactly. So. But it
was a good game. Uh,that's what That's what I That's what I
always look for. And look thatcommercial off forgot what who it was,
but he was talking about United Airlinesand he said, Texans here on the
clock now or whatever. Basically,you know, go ahead and buy your
tickets to the next to next year'sbig game. And I kind of feel
that the Texans are now at leastin the conversation of best some of the
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best teams in the NFL. Soit's exciting. I agree, I agree.
Should we talk about honey matters orshould we keep going on? But
we talked about the designated hitter,talk about the DH Let's talk about Houston
SPARKLA Foundation for just a minute.There's a lot of cool events coming up,
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You know, later this year inMay, we're gonna have if you watch
Fox News at all, Johnny JoeyJones, one of the Fox News contributors,
going to be our guest speaker atour annual Hunting and Photo Awards a
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conservation, pro Second Amendment. Andbecome a member and come out to one
of these fun events and just meetpeople and have a good time. Is
it true if you become a memberyou're branded like in Yellowstone. No,
but we do give you a specialhandshake and a little secret membership card.
Oh wow, Yeah, pretty cool. And you get discounts for a monthly
events. Oh that's all you,that's all you have to say. I
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prefer a brand, but that's cooltoo. Yeah, Well we'll work on
that. I mean, I've gotI've got i've got your initials. I've
got a brand of a couple ofbrands at the house, but I haven't
used them on people yet. Soanyway, so our guest today, we've
had them before. It's Chris Dorsey. Chris has been called the brandfather of
outdoor television. He's created and launchedalmost sixty different series in the outdoor genre
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alone. And I know you watched, I know you like their writs,
Home Run OTV. But shows likeMain Cabin Masters and those we're going to
talk about, those are those summerChris's creations, and yeah, we're kind
of addicted to those kind of showsaround our house. He's the he's the
former editor in chief of sports Fieldand duckson Limited magazine. He's author of
just twelve books. We're gonna talkit's lazy why he can't try a little
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bit harder. And one of myfavorite things to see is I'd like to
see a guy who's pro hunting,pro conservation pop up as a contributor in
Forbes magazine. So I look forhis stuff that comes out in Forbes,
which is I think they were lookingfor a representative of our group. They
couldn't have picked a better guy.And you'll see him in the Wall Street
Journal, now, Geo Newsweek,Rob Report, and he's traveled all over
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the world. He's taking twenty ninebig game species in North America, the
Seven Deadlys of Africa, spiral hornedall the spiral horns of Africa, and
wild Turkey World Slam, which isnear and dear to my heart. I
love turkey hunting and the last butnice at least. He's a member of
the Outdoor Religions Hall of Fame.He's a recipient of the Race Scott Trailblazer
word you know Race God is,don't you yeah, glad of the guy
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that started bass and the Kirk GowleyMemorial Award. And he's He's gotten the
chance to hunt fish with some reallycool people over the years, which shows
about to ye. I know,but I just want to give everybody a
rundown. Chris, thank you somuch for joining us this week. Very
great to be with you guys.Are you tired? Yeah, just hearing
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that, I'm sorry, but youknow, I'm excited to hear. You've
got Joey Jones, one of myfavorite guys coming up down there. He's
a terrific fellow. We did hisFox Station Outdoors TV series and got to
know him and he's a he's agreat friend and just a superhuman being,
So kudos on getting in down there. Yeah. I actually was at the
airport picking up a buddy for ahunting trip a couple of weeks back,
and he came in, and Ididn't want to bother him. I almost
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fan boyd out and went over andsaid hello to him, but he was
He looked like he was on hisway to go somewhere important, so I
didn't want to mess with him.But he's always been a favorite of ours
as well, and I love seeinghim on on on all the Fox shows,
you know, especially on Gutville whereGutfille backs them in a corner and
and he's, uh, he kindof he gets caught off guard sometimes,
but he's you got to be topform to be on that show, I
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guess. Yeah, Joey's pretty quick. Triple Jay is he's the sharp guy
for sure. We had it withhim in South Dakota actually last fall,
and obviously for for people that don'tknow him, he's lost his legs in
Afghanistan and an id last and he'sout there and he lost them above the
knee, which is is if youknow anything about how this process works with
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prosthetics, it's a it's a realchallenge to move around. But he got
out in the field. He walkedup and down the field. It was
pretty impressive and had a great timeand he was the life of the party.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Itis uh, the management of the
prosthetics and things like that, andnavigating when you have above the knee,
but the blow the knees a littlebit, a little bit less less troublesome.
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But yeah, to manage those thingsis pretty pretty rough. So all
right, folks, Well, ourguest today is Chris Dorsey. We are
going to take a quick break hereon hunting matters Camp r C. We'll
be back. We have a lotto talk about. Stay with us.
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It's called seven one three sixty threeeight A four four true. Welcome
back to Hunting Matters on KPRC nineto fifty. This is Joe Vitaur.
I'm Ramon Robles. We're joined ourguest today, Chris Dorsey, and I'm
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gonna throw out his website here beforeI forget it. It is sportingclassicstv dot
com is one of his websites.Chris, thank you so much again for
joining us this week. Terrific tobe here. So Chris, you and
I have talked and met several timesover the years. But some people who
for some reason they have had theirbehead buried in sand and for some reason
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haven't read your stuff or seeing youin Sporting Classics TV. Let's give our
audience a little bit of an education. Hear, how in the world did
you get started in the outdoor field? Oh wow, we'll go back a
thousand years. Yeah, it was. It was a whole different epic,
I think. Yeah, it wasreally a magazine player. I came out
of college, I wanted to bea critic, a game warden, and
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with the Stevens Point University of Wisconsinat Stevens Point, which, if you
know the outdoor landscape, that's thelargest undergraduate college of natural resources in the
country. In Colorado state is thesecond largest, and so a lot of
folks come out of there as biologistsand game wardens and scientists and things like
that. But I ended up gettinga natural resource degree in an English degree.
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So what do you do with that? Win a bunch of bar bets,
and I to work for Texas's ownDavid Morris, who of course take
them fame TECHAMANEI, food plot Systemsand all that, and he was one
of the owners of game and Fishmagazines out of Atlanta. They had I
think forty magazine something like that.So I edited some of the some of
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the state magazines from the Upper Midwestwhere I was from, and that was
kind of the genesis there. Thenwent out to the Hunting magazine, working
for Boddington for several years out there, and then got recruited by Duckson Limited
to come and run their their magazineand media group, and I think I
was twenty nine when I became agroup manager of marketing communications at DU running
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the magazine, the radio, thetelevision, all that kind of stuff.
We were doing a series back inthe day with the Nashville Network, remember
T and N before it became SpikeTV and before it became Paramount. And
yeah, I was back in kindof a heyday of outdoor television ESPN and
T and N and those networks wereninety ninety five million home networks. The
average outdoor show was doing one pointtwo to one point three million viewers and
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airing, and you know, soit was it was a fun time.
And then created our own company abouttwenty seven to twenty eight years ago.
Kind I saw a lot of theadvertising dollars shifting from print into television back
in the time is pre social media, and so we kind of rode that
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wave. And as you said inyour intro, I think we've done close
to sixty outdoor TV series now andabout another sixty in mainstream cable. So
it's it's been a good run.It's been a twenty five year busy spell
and recently into Imax films and kindof a suite of IMAX films coming to
theaters now, all in the naturalhistory space, the outdoor space, which
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is of course my passion. Youknow, I've been involved. I was
involved with that, not nearly asubscritching the service of what you have in
outdoor writing and television, but justfor a short time with outdoor television.
What do you think is the biggestchange that you've seen over your outdoor television
career, and you've you've seen alot. Yeah, and obviously the emergence
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of social media I think has changedkind of everything. Now. It's it's
really about creating video content that's agnosticto the platform that is, you know,
it could be on television, itcould be in streaming, it could
be you know, in social mediaplatforms et cetera, Instagram, Facebook,
et cetera. So it's really howdo you create great content, create a
unique value, proposition, a uniquevoice, and then find a home for
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it and hopefully audiences find you.So there's you know, it's interesting to
me, there's a hell of alot of really good content being created out
there now. Trying to find someof that content can be a little challenging
just because there's so much but outthere, and that really is the challenge.
And I think the brands are,you know, and you've seen this,
the brands are all kind of tryingto figure out their own avenue.
Do they do they create their owncontent, do they take it to somebody
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else to partner with them, anddo they do some of both? And
so there's you know, it's ait's a big wild West of the media
world right now. And magazines ofcourse are trying to figure out how to
go digital and how to be youknow, video centric as well as as
print. And you've seen Outdoor Lifeand Field and Stream that are now strictly
digital. And these are you know, these are the magazines that we grew
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up with, right. I mean, I was a kid in you know,
a little little town in southern Wisconsin, little farming community. I'd go
to the library and in the highschool read Genial and some of these guys
in Field and Stream and Outdoor LifeJack O'Connor and and I just I kind
of wonder if kids do that anymore. What do they do now? I
guess just watch Instagram videos and whatnot. But yeah, everything's changed, is
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it. I've learned that Instagram isnow from my grandfather. I believe TikTok
is where it's at, right,right, right, I just dated myself
to that exactly. That's twenty twenty. Yeah, it was funny, you
know, we age ourselves. Iwas, I was filling up with gas
today and you know the video screenson the gas tank. Yeah, so
I heard this guy on the corner. Just wasn't really paying attention. I
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heard this guy go, hey,folks, this is a journal. This
is what old people, old peopleused to resolve their feelings. Crazy crazy,
you know. I got to askyou this having been somebody, having
been somebody who's done this before,and I like to get behind the dirty,
dark secrets about door television. Sowhatever you're willing to share with us,
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we'll ask you. But what doyou hate the most about hunting in
front of a camera? You know, it's it's intrusive, obviously by design,
but it's I don't really hate theprocess at all. I guess,
you know, having done it fortwenty five years now, It's what I
do enjoy is making really good shows. I really, I really like you
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know, the hunt, in documentinga hunt in a way that's really memorable,
something that's different, put some moreenergy into it, you know,
take a little bit higher view ofwhat is it we're trying to communicate here,
not just we came, we saw, we conquered, but is there
is there a broader and we doa lot of you know, part of
the Sporting Classics Show, for instance, is kind of big global reach,
right. The brand is big andglobal. It's big adventure. It's places
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that maybe the America and sportsmen wouldhave taken us, you know, thirty
five forty years ago, and themagazine still goes there and now through television,
we're doing some of that as well. So when we go to places
like let's say Ethiopia and we're huntingmountain in Yala, there's twenty of them
taking a year. That's it.Most people are ever going to see a
mountain in yellow. Most people don'thave any clue what a mountain in Dala
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is. So if we're going todo it, let's let's go showcase the
whole damn thing. Let's make surethe polaroid comes into focus for the average
viewer that isn't going to go there, but vicariously they are going to go
there through you. And so theresponsibility that comes I think with telling a
little bit broader, deeper story anddoing some research, having some background understanding,
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you know, the fact that huntingis the reason that species still exists,
and there's kind of one family,the Russo's family, that really saved
that species with a little help fromDick cabella On, you know, in
that background story. I've written aboutthis in Forbes as well. These are
the kind of stories I love sharingin Forbes, which is my lane for
right I'm the guy that I'm theoutdoor guy, that the gun guy,
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that the guy nobody in New York, you know, wants to cover that
kind of content from the given tome and I love it. And so
anyway, when we do those kindsof things, I think that's the passion
is how do we really do justiceto these really amazing adventures and through story,
but through tremendous video and bringing plentyof drones and different shots and spending
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enough time on ground to really showcasesomething in a way that you know,
I'm not coming back there anytime soon, you know, so if we're going
to do it, let's do itreally well and hopefully it endures because of
that. Yeah, it's amazing tome to see how far outdoor television has
come in the past ten years.Number one, people stepping up their game
and to the technology, Like yousaid, drone shots and things. You
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typically have to hire a helicopter,and you guys do a fabulous job on
Sporting Classic TV. I think youguys are ahead of the game. There.
We've got about a minute left inthis segment. You've hunted with a
lot of hunted and fish and beenoutdoors with a lot of cool people like
Tom Brokaw, worked with Michael Keatonand those guys. How did that happen?
Did you kind of pursue them orthey pursue you, or you know,
it's sort of three degrees of separation. I think in the outdoor space,
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the common denominator with all these guysin my universe has always been hunting
and fishing. So it's amazing howthat that's a nice breaker with almost anybody.
And you know, a funny quickstory is the head of NBC wanted
to meet Left Cray and I said, well, I think I can make
that happen. And I've known thehead of NBC he's now recently retired for
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a long time and he's he's anoutdoor fishing buddy and all that kind of
stuff. And he said, well, look, I can get a private
jet to Peterborough and New York andget them there from Baltimore, fly him
out to my ranch in Montana,and we'll take care of everything from there.
And it was like he was meeting, you know, the biggest rock
star he'd ever met. This isthe guy who ran Universal Pictures. Right,
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every actor in the world is athis disposal. Who do you want
to meet? Lefty Cray? That'scool, that's cool, folks, gotta
take a quick break here on Honeymatterskp r C nine fifty. We'll be
back with our guests right after thebreak. You show us everything you've got.
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You keep on that, and nowthe room gets hot. You drive
us? Wow? Well strip youcraze you say you go? The poll
has just been gone for that.You you trive us? Wow? Well,
strap you crazy. Welcome back toHoneymatters on KPRC nine to fifty.
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This is your host, Joe betAll right, Ramon, we're joined once
again by Chris Dorsey. Check outhis website at Sporting Classics TV dot com.
Chris, I have a question foryou. What would be your entrance
music if you were going to anevent or I don't know I was.
I was just thinking to myself,that's a pretty darn good tune right there.
I think hang it out for themusic here guy. Thanks, all
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right, well think on it.And you know, next time you're at
an appearance to say, hey,guys, if you could play this tables
and walk into the room, itjust sets the tone. Yep, yeah,
there something anybody you need to havewalk in music, right right right?
Hey. The good news for allthe old guys out there, there's
a rumor that ACDC may do anotherNorth American tour. I know they're head
to Europe. So to talk abouteverything on this show, so anyway,
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there's some stuff that you're intimately involvedwith. They're perfectly involved with a lot
of things going on. So Iwant to take this opportunity over the next
two segments to pick your brain somethinga phrase that you enlighten me too that
I'm not familiar with. That's calledballot box biology. Please enlighten Ramon and
I Yeah, well, look atit's a big, big deal now in
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the hunting community, particularly in theWest. I think there's twenty six states
that have the referendum process, whichis called direct democracy. Right, the
governor doesn't have to say in this, the legislature doesn't have to say in
this. So basically the concept is, you you have something you want to
put on a ballot, You justhave to get an x number of signatures.
You get it on the ballot,and then people vote on it.
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You bypass the legislature, you bypassthe whole the governor's mansion, et cetera.
And that's what's going on right nowrelative to hunt And we saw it
in Colorado. I'm my state ofresidence is Colorado. So we saw this
last year on the wolf issue.And what did the anti groups, the
anti hunting groups do. They basicallycame into Denver, into Boulder and got
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people to sign enough ballot initiatives toget referendum signatures, and they got it
on the ballot and then they passedit. Right once they get it on
the ballot, then they launch amedia campaign that says, this is why
wolves will be good for Colorado.Never mind the fact that every county in
the Western Slope where the wolves wereactually introduced had voted against introducing wolves.
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Never Mind the fact that the stateagency had recommended against introducing wolves. So
this whole ballot box biology concept isjust running amuck in the twenty six states,
principally in the West, on wildlifeissues. And I think what they're
looking at is they're quite simply saying, look, hunters are only three percent
of the population, so we don'thave to sway really a lot of there's
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a lot of people in the middlethat have no concept of hunting and conservation.
We can create emotional campaigns, emotionalarguments, take it to the mainstream,
and then they will go to theballot box and they will pass these
initiatives. And they've hit on amodel here that clearly is working. And
I think we're going to see moreand more of this. We've seen in
Oregon. They're trying to ban allhunting in Oregon and that's coming up on
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the ballot and so there's kind ofno end in sight as to what they
can do if they put enough resourcesbehind manipulating the average person. And so
I guess the question for the huntingcommunity is we can win and Washington at
the congressional level, we can winin state houses, but if we don't
have an answer for the ballot boxprocess, the referendum process, then we're
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going to lose, and so webetter start engaging the mainstream. And I
think, I think that's what I'mseeing. The good news is what I'm
seeing in the industry is more andmore people recognize we have got to take
our story, which is a greatstory of conservation, to the mainstream.
We can't expect others to do it. You know, we've been focused on
habitat on ground, and you know, you give money to conservation organizations,
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they apply it on ground. It'sbeen hugely successful, the so called North
American model of wildlife conservation. Butwhat we've ignored, of course, is
telling the story to the mainstream.And consequently we're we're now suffering the consequences
of not doing that, of nottelling the story to the mainstream. So
I think, I think we're reallyat a crossroads. It's a big deal.
And as I look at Colorado andDenver and Boulder kind of controlling everything
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again, these sort of blue citiesthat control red states. You know,
we're seeing what happened on the politicalfront, happening of a wildlife front,
and it doesn't bode well. Yeah, we you know, for the first
time ever they're considering a mountain lionmanagement plan for the state of Texas,
and Texas mountain lions have always beenconsidered predators. You can have them year
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round, there's never been an issuewith that. But now to your point,
there are these groups that are comingin now going, oh, we
need to talk about having a regulatedhunting season four mountain lions and these sort
of things. And branch managers andowners out west will tell you in West
Texas will tell you different. Butlet's go ahead. Let's go ahead and
open up the gripe session. Hereyou're talking about hunting communities, you know,
the hunting communities and fighting back againstthese anti hunting groups. And we
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talked about this before, but antihunting groups are well well funded, and
they are organized, and they spenda lot of money on media, and
they get people in the field,and you know, I guess my frustration,
my gripe is there's a lot ofhunters out there that are very passionate
about what we do and what wereally then as far as hunting and conservation
of habitat and wildlife, But atthe same time, it doesn't seem like
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we're as effective and nearly as effectiveas we can be in getting organized,
mobilized and funding, putting funding together, whether it's organizations or individuals, and
working together to counter this on anoffensive from an offensive standpoint versus a defensive
standpoint. Seems like we're all wehaving to defend ourselves. And frankly,
I'm tired of that one hundred percent. Yeah, what you just said is
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exactly the issue. And you knowit's funny. I have one of the
National Conservation Group leaders down here andat our place at Braise Island in South
Carolina right now, and it's youknow, it's very easy to make the
case. Now, I think thatare our greatest threats to hunting is not
habitat loss, it's the loss ofrights to go hunting. And another case
in point in Colorado, what's comingup on the on the ballot initiative process
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in Colorado, they've they've now gota Mountain lion hunting ban, a Bobtet
hunting ban, and even a Linkswhich I don't even know we had links
in Colorado. So they're looking toban all three of those. And so
here's what the narrative is. Itdoesn't take a lot to forecast what it
is. The strategy is behind this. And once you've introduced wolves in Colorado,
once you've banned mountain lion hunting,then you don't need hunters to control
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the prey base anymore. There's noreason to have hunters kill el kader to
control those populations because we've got predatorsto do that now. So they've taken
away the narrative of management through hunting, you know, by virtue of making
sure we can't manage predators. Andthat's what's coming. I mean, it's
it's a it's a fairly sophisticated strategy. It's very incremental in how they go
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about doing this. They don't theydon't swing for the fence the first time.
They just take a piece at atime and move that that needle just
further and further towards closures. AndI'm just afraid we've been too sort of
react, as you're saying, we'vegot to take our story of the mainstream,
and we've we've built an apparatus toto lobby our with our efforts in
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Washington of the Congress and state housesaround the country. But this ballot box
process, the referendum process, bypassesall of that. It's irrelevant who the
governor is. It's irrelevant who's inthe legislature. Once you put it on
the ballot, because of the referendumprocess, you can pass it, it
becomes law. And there really isn'tmuch you can do to stop that other
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than way in in the core ofpublic opinion through media campaigns and educational campaigns.
And I think the other question forus is, you know, look,
were we seem to be looking atthe state agencies as though they're going
to save us. You know,they hopefully understand that a lot of their
funding comes through hunting license sales,fishing sales, et cetera. But at
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the end of the day, Idon't buy that. I don't think the
state agencies are built to push back. They're not media companies, they're not
advertising companies, they're really not eveneducational groups. They have an I and
E Department, but they're not builtto push back against funded, well funded
campaigns against our lifestyle. So Ithink we've got to look at new mechanisms,
new funding. Do we get accessto Pidman Robertson dollars that heretofore with
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Florida, Washington, then back outto the states to be implemented. Well,
that's our money, that's a selfimposed tax. Why can we not
take some of that money and putthat directed at campaigns, you know,
directed at the media and the mainmainstream folks in each state relative to these
issues. And if we don't dothat, I think we're you know,
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we're just going to keep losing incrementallyuntil we finally lose something big. And
when you're sitting in Colorado, you'regoing, this is arguably the best hunting
state in the lower forty eight.And if they can end hunting in Colorado,
where does it stop? And sothat's the real fear, that's the
real concern. And I think thatthey a common everyday person needs to understand
that these agency employees are state employees. I've worked with them hand in hand
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before, and they can't buck thesystem. These guys are trying to make
a paycheck. They can't get involvedpolitically, they can't push back even though
they believe in the North American modelof conservation. And the other thing is,
and I'm stating now obvious to you, is that a lot of people
to understand that people are being appointedto state fishing game commissions that are anti
hunhunting on a more and more frequentbasis correct, absolutely, especially in Colorado.
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And and that that's a that's aterrific point. I mean, basically,
once a ballot initiatives has been confirmed, there's been enough signatures to get
it on the ballot, the stateagency can no longer comment on that.
The Fish and Wildlife Agency can nolonger make any public statements about it.
They can't get their you know,put their finger on the on the scales
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of of this kind of decision whatsoever, you know, never mind the fact
that they were created, they werechartered to manage fish and wildlife resources in
these states for the greater good ofall citizens. And despite that charter,
they're not even allowed to weigh inonce it hits the ballot box. So
it's it's a you know, it'sit's really an insidious backdoor way to to
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operate and to run wildlife management.It's awful, and we've got to address
it. We've got to we've gotto really be focused. We've been we've
been too as you say, there'sthere's too many groups doing too many different
things. Nobody's really based on acore issue here. And this is a
this is a big, big deal. I mean, there's Congressional Sportsman's Foundation
is doing great work on our nation, is doing some great work on on
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wolf issues and things like that.You guys obviously do great work in Houston.
So I think I think everybody's kindof all over. But I think
as a as a community, we'vegot to come together and be focused and
have a real sustained campaign on scalethat will move the needle and make a
difference long term. Yeah, folks, you better listen to this man.
He knows what he's talking about.Going to take a break here on Hunting
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Matters KPRC nine to fifty. Welcomeback to Hunting Matters on KPRCA nine fifty.
This is your STPTR. I'm RamonRoeboltz is joining us todays our guest
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Chris Dorsey. Check out this isone of his websites at SPORTINGCLASSICSTV dot com.
Chris, thanks once again for joiningus. You bet good to be
here, Chris. What would beyour last meal on Earth? Wow?
Yeah, maybe maybe a tenderloin fromthe biggest elk I've ever shot. Yeah,
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let's let's go with that. Okay, what would be the site?
Say that again? The sides,what would be you know, mashed potato
SI sides, humility and good company, I guess yeah, yeah, very
nice brown water, brown water.Yeah, there you go. Before we
got into break, Chris, wetalked a little bit about you know,
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you brought up something about should privateorganizations and or NGOs, non governmental organizations,
nonprofits be able to qualify for matchingPittman Robertson fund which are so incremental
in supporting the future hunting and conservation. Is there a movement about happening around
that or is there talk about it? What's what's the status of that?
Well, there's definitely talk about Imean, I've been singing this tune for
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quite a while, and again Ithink, you know, as great as
the North America model is in reality, when Pittman Robertson was created for people
that don't necessarily know what that is, it's an excise tax that was created
what sixty seventy years ago, maybeseventy eighty years ago now, and it
was really designed to stop the nextdust bowl. It was to create habitat
and make sure we could conserve wildlifeand all that good stuff. And it
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was a self imposed tax. Sportsmancame to the Congress himself themselves and said,
we want to be taxed, andwe want those funds then to be
used for conservation. If we don'twant another dust bowl, we don't want
the disasters of the thirties and forties, And so they did that, and
again, that's our money, right, this is money that we've said we
believe in. It's dedicated funds forhabitat conservation. But at the time,
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there was no real conservation delivery arm, there were no real NGOs. Ducks
Unlimited was barely a fledgling at thatpoint, and so all these Elk Foundation
and all these other groups had reallynot even come to be born at that
point. So now you've got allthese private conservation organizations, including yourselves,
that are doing tremendous work, thatare educating hunters, that are doing habitat
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work, et cetera. So atsome point, if we as a community
say, look, you know,it's great to keep spending money on habitat,
we've got to do that. Weunderstand that. But at the same
time, we've got to recognize thereal, clear and present danger in this
anti hunting threat that's coming at uslike a freight train and if we don't
do something now significantly to address that, it's going to be immterial whether or
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not we have wildlife habitat. Who'sgoing to go hunting if they can't go
hunting? Right, I mean,if you've got habitat, that's great.
But if nobody's allowed to go hunting, who's going to care? And so
let's let's let's start looking at thisand saying, all right, maybe we
can peel off some significant dollars here, create a really sustained media campaign,
educational campaign nationwide and let people knowwhat hunters do for conservation. Let's mainstream
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understand what you and I already know, and that is we have been the
backbone. We've been the funders,we've been the policy leaders for conservation since
Teddy Roosevelt and anyway. So that'sI think that's a it's a narrative that
should be revisited. We you know, when when Pittman Robertson was passed,
we just didn't have those those groupsout there. But if you're going to
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raise two hundred million dollars as aconservation engo, why wouldn't you qualify for
some of that some percentage of that'ssome kind of a matrix that says,
all right, for every every privatesector dollar you raise, you qualify for
you know, X percentage of dollarsyou know going forward. And and so
I think that's a conversation that oughtto be had, and I think it
ought to be had pretty damp fast. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, absolutely,
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Yeah, we're going to talk aboutthat further offline, as I have
a ton of questions on that.I think that's definitely something has can get.
We can get some momentum behind changinggears just a little bit. The
recruitment, retention or reactivation effort thatstarted a few years back, also known
as the R three movement. I'lllike to get your opinion. Since you
have a lot of interactions with differentagencies and individuals across the country, do
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you see that as an effective tool? Is it working? You know,
it's really interesting. I had somefriends go to the North American Wildlife Conference,
I think it was up in Calgarythis past year, and they came
back and said, look, basically, the state agency heads, the directors
don't see that as a long termsolution. It's not going to work long
term, but they see it asslowing the demise of hunting and hunters in
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the country, so it's hopefully intheir minds, buying some time to find
different funding mechanisms. So in otherwords, I took that to mean you're
really not trying to save hunting,You're just really trying to save your job
at the end of the day,and if funding comes from somebody other than
hunters, that's just fine. Andso that was pretty disturbing to me.
I mean that so as I lookat the R three program again, I
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don't see it as significant enough tosolve the problem, the greater problem,
which is, you know, we'vegot to convince the mainstream that were relevant
for conservation they are better off withus than without us, and we better
create narratives that resonate, we betterhave emotional stories that connect with them,
or we're toast. And so that'sas I see the R three program.
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Look, I think there's a lotof people doing good stuff, and I
think there's a lot of good stuffin the R three program, But doing
good is not the same as makinga difference. And we've got to start
making a difference because we're on theclock what And I agree, I've sat
in on a lot of those meetingsespecially the early phases, during the planning
phases of this whole AR three movement. And I know a lot of time
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and a lot of money and alot of you know, blood, sweat
and tears have been put into it. What do you see as a different
route that we can take about howwe can be more effective as far as
educating the public. I mean,we've talked about this for years, but
in your opinion, what's the nextmove? Well, we've got to get
into mainstream outlets. We've got tofind mainstream avenues to get to the masses,
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and if we don't have them,we've got to build them. Whether
that means going to gatekeepers. AndI don't need a magazine editor. I
mean the people that own the magazines. Now, I don't mean a television
personality. I mean the people thatown the networks. You know, how
do we build those bridges? BecauseI can tell you that there's an awful
lot of very powerful people out therein big media who love to hunt.
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They may not be public about it, but they love to hunt and they're
willing to help. But we've gotto build bridges to them. We've got
to bring them into the fold.We've got to We've got to help educate
those people because their influence is soprofound, and if we can do that,
we can make a difference. Butyou know, when you see when
you see big pushes like you know, National Geographic and Disney merging, which
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is hard to even wrap your mindaround right now, but the group that
brought us Bambi is now taking thegold Box and infiltrating that and they're now
pumping that into one hundred and seventycountries in the world. And you wonder
why we're struggling. You know,we're struggling in Africa, We're struggling all
over the place because they've got thishuge apparatus. Well, we got to
get inside of that. You know, there are people on the Society Board
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who love to haunt, et cetera. We got to find out who they
are. We got to build bridgesto them and be proactive about that.
So anyway, that's you know,that's one small step to making a difference,
I think. But we've just reallygot to engage yeah, yeah,
and the uh yeah, the influencerstoo, people like you know, if
we could bound together people like ChrisPratt and Jack Carr and all those other
people, you know, who havea wide social social audience to be more
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effake exactly that as well. I'vegot a little note here. We've got
a little lesson in a minute,I've got a note here to talk about
the Salt Lake Imax film and theater. What's going on there. Yeah,
We've actually got an Imax film calledSecrets of the Great Salt Lake, which
will be done later this year,and they're building up an IMAX theater just
outside of Salt Lake. Big,big environmental story. I mean, the
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Great Salt Lake is suffering. It'sbeen declining, and the bottom of the
lake as it dries up, isexposing this natural arsenic and then you get
the win windstorms that come up,and you've got essentially a natural dirty bomb
at that point. So it's quitean environmental story. It's been in all
the major national international news outlets.And so there's a massive effort underway from
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the Governor's office on down the MormonChurch, et cetera, to really work
to save that lake for a widevariety of reasons. And and again it's
a billion dollars ski industry that largelydepends on moisture and snow created from the
Great Salt Lake. So it's it'seconomically incredibly important. For wildlife, it's
very important, and just for thehealth and well being of people within that
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region, it's incredibly important. Sothe film is sort of documenting the importance
of the lake, but also theefforts to save the lake and memorialize that
in a theater that is under construction, soon to be under construction and opening
next year. So that's been that'sbeen one of our projects for the last
two years. That's awesome. That'sawesome folks to say, keep up with
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that, keep an eye on thatproject, and keep up with the film
that's coming out. Chris, thankyou so much for joining us. We
are out of time this week hereon Hunting Matters on kPr C nine fifty.
We will see you next week.M
Tradition, conservation, family, theupdoors. It matters to you, it
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Here's Joe Bitar. Good morning,Welcome to Hunting Matters on kprc N.
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I'm fifty. This is your host, Joe Vitar. I am Ramon Robless
and we are trying to figure outwhat the day is going to be,
like we're going to be thirty oris there going to be seven? Five?
It is Houston, so just flipa coin crazy. I just want
you to know last week, asyou know, it was a big Super
Bowl game. Yes, and Iwould have bet had I been able to
in Houston, Texas. Yeah,I would have bet a lot of money
(00:44):
on the Chiefs simply because everybody saidthat they weren't the favorites. Thought it's
to Kansas City Chiefs. Have youseen them play before? Yeah, it
doesn't matter what the record is oranything. And by the way, they
seem to hit their stride late latelateness. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm
perturbed that I lost out on that, But I did win one of those
Office Square games. Oh good,So I won two hundred and fifty bucks
(01:06):
that's cool. I did. Idid play a bigger one. Yeah,
four hundred dollars a square. Yeah, each quarter was ten thousand dollars.
Wow. And I barely missed outon that. Wow, that would have
been cool. I wouldn't have beenhere work today. So for those who
don't know him, a local,a local hero, if you will,
mattress Mac. Did he bet onthe Super Bowl this year? I don't
think so. Okay, I didn'tsee anything in the news, got it,
(01:27):
you'd hear it if yeah, ifhe if you a million dollars at
Taylor Swift, you know where's ared blose whatever? Yeah, yeah,
yeah, it would have bet.He bets straight up though he BET's usually
straight up with no points, juststright up winners, winners and losers.
So it was I saw parts ofthe game. Yeah, you were busy
on a crazy weekend, but sawparts of the game. And you know,
(01:48):
to be honest with you, Ilike the commercials as much as the
game. So they had a fewfew good commercials that I saw. I
had my vote, what would youhave a vote for your favorite? A
lot of them stick. I likedArnold Swarzenegger stayed far Yeah, and Danny.
That was good, like like agood neighbor, exactly what about you.
I gotta I gotta give it toBen affleck mm and the Duncan don't
(02:12):
damon the Duncan donuts one that theycan make fun of themselves and just yeah,
a treat well just Tom Brady,I mean standing off to the side.
It's just the perfect thing, thewhole thing. So yeah, I
thought that was pretty cool. Butuh, yeah, it was good.
I mean it was a good game. I did see the end of the
game, so that was exciting.I was glad it went overtime. And
I just that's all you can askwere in the Super Bowl. If your
team's not playing, it's just justa good game, exactly like most of
(02:34):
the years, a lot of yearsthat you have these blowouts and it's just
like, yeah, when you're notemotionally invested in it, it makes it
more enjoyable to watch. Yeah,And I pulled for the underdog typically yeah,
which would have been Kansas City,this which is yeah. And they
looked really awful at the beginning ofthe well, the first half they didn't
look good at all. But thenyou know, okay, look it's Patrick
Mahomes it's stravisy. It's like,it's like, uh not, I'm a
fan of his. But if you'renot up on Tom Brady about least four
(02:57):
touchdowns in the fourth court, you'rein trouble exactly. So. But it
was a good game. Uh,that's what That's what I That's what I
always look for. And look thatcommercial off forgot what who it was,
but he was talking about United Airlinesand he said, Texans here on the
clock now or whatever. Basically,you know, go ahead and buy your
tickets to the next to next year'sbig game. And I kind of feel
that the Texans are now at leastin the conversation of best some of the
(03:22):
best teams in the NFL. Soit's exciting. I agree, I agree.
Should we talk about honey matters orshould we keep going on? But
we talked about the designated hitter,talk about the DH Let's talk about Houston
SPARKLA Foundation for just a minute.There's a lot of cool events coming up,
folks. Gotta we hunt we givedot org. Check out the membership
page and check out the monthly eventspage. You don't have to be a
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member to attend the monthly events.But we got some really cool stuff.
You know, later this year inMay, we're gonna have if you watch
Fox News at all, Johnny JoeyJones, one of the Fox News contributors,
going to be our guest speaker atour annual Hunting and Photo Awards a
day. And we've got a lotof stuff. Got a crawfish bull,
uh, crawfish bull slide, quailshoot, we got a pheasant shoot coming
up. There's lots of stuff comingup. So go to wee h week
give dot org. Check out theconservation organization. It's pro hunting, pro
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conservation, pro Second Amendment. Andbecome a member and come out to one
of these fun events and just meetpeople and have a good time. Is
it true if you become a memberyou're branded like in Yellowstone. No,
but we do give you a specialhandshake and a little secret membership card.
Oh wow, Yeah, pretty cool. And you get discounts for a monthly
events. Oh that's all you,that's all you have to say. I
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prefer a brand, but that's cooltoo. Yeah, Well we'll work on
that. I mean, I've gotI've got i've got your initials. I've
got a brand of a couple ofbrands at the house, but I haven't
used them on people yet. Soanyway, so our guest today, we've
had them before. It's Chris Dorsey. Chris has been called the brandfather of
outdoor television. He's created and launchedalmost sixty different series in the outdoor genre
(04:50):
alone. And I know you watched, I know you like their writs,
Home Run OTV. But shows likeMain Cabin Masters and those we're going to
talk about, those are those summerChris's creations, and yeah, we're kind
of addicted to those kind of showsaround our house. He's the he's the
former editor in chief of sports Fieldand duckson Limited magazine. He's author of
just twelve books. We're gonna talkit's lazy why he can't try a little
(05:13):
bit harder. And one of myfavorite things to see is I'd like to
see a guy who's pro hunting,pro conservation pop up as a contributor in
Forbes magazine. So I look forhis stuff that comes out in Forbes,
which is I think they were lookingfor a representative of our group. They
couldn't have picked a better guy.And you'll see him in the Wall Street
Journal, now, Geo Newsweek,Rob Report, and he's traveled all over
(05:34):
the world. He's taking twenty ninebig game species in North America, the
Seven Deadlys of Africa, spiral hornedall the spiral horns of Africa, and
wild Turkey World Slam, which isnear and dear to my heart. I
love turkey hunting and the last butnice at least. He's a member of
the Outdoor Religions Hall of Fame.He's a recipient of the Race Scott Trailblazer
word you know Race God is,don't you yeah, glad of the guy
(05:55):
that started bass and the Kirk GowleyMemorial Award. And he's He's gotten the
chance to hunt fish with some reallycool people over the years, which shows
about to ye. I know,but I just want to give everybody a
rundown. Chris, thank you somuch for joining us this week. Very
great to be with you guys.Are you tired? Yeah, just hearing
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that, I'm sorry, but youknow, I'm excited to hear. You've
got Joey Jones, one of myfavorite guys coming up down there. He's
a terrific fellow. We did hisFox Station Outdoors TV series and got to
know him and he's a he's agreat friend and just a superhuman being,
So kudos on getting in down there. Yeah. I actually was at the
airport picking up a buddy for ahunting trip a couple of weeks back,
and he came in, and Ididn't want to bother him. I almost
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fan boyd out and went over andsaid hello to him, but he was
He looked like he was on hisway to go somewhere important, so I
didn't want to mess with him.But he's always been a favorite of ours
as well, and I love seeinghim on on on all the Fox shows,
you know, especially on Gutville whereGutfille backs them in a corner and
and he's, uh, he kindof he gets caught off guard sometimes,
but he's you got to be topform to be on that show, I
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guess. Yeah, Joey's pretty quick. Triple Jay is he's the sharp guy
for sure. We had it withhim in South Dakota actually last fall,
and obviously for for people that don'tknow him, he's lost his legs in
Afghanistan and an id last and he'sout there and he lost them above the
knee, which is is if youknow anything about how this process works with
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prosthetics, it's a it's a realchallenge to move around. But he got
out in the field. He walkedup and down the field. It was
pretty impressive and had a great timeand he was the life of the party.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Itis uh, the management of the
prosthetics and things like that, andnavigating when you have above the knee,
but the blow the knees a littlebit, a little bit less less troublesome.
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But yeah, to manage those thingsis pretty pretty rough. So all
right, folks, Well, ourguest today is Chris Dorsey. We are
going to take a quick break hereon hunting matters Camp r C. We'll
be back. We have a lotto talk about. Stay with us.
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It's called seven one three sixty threeeight A four four true. Welcome
back to Hunting Matters on KPRC nineto fifty. This is Joe Vitaur.
I'm Ramon Robles. We're joined ourguest today, Chris Dorsey, and I'm
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gonna throw out his website here beforeI forget it. It is sportingclassicstv dot
com is one of his websites.Chris, thank you so much again for
joining us this week. Terrific tobe here. So Chris, you and
I have talked and met several timesover the years. But some people who
for some reason they have had theirbehead buried in sand and for some reason
(09:09):
haven't read your stuff or seeing youin Sporting Classics TV. Let's give our
audience a little bit of an education. Hear, how in the world did
you get started in the outdoor field? Oh wow, we'll go back a
thousand years. Yeah, it was. It was a whole different epic,
I think. Yeah, it wasreally a magazine player. I came out
of college, I wanted to bea critic, a game warden, and
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with the Stevens Point University of Wisconsinat Stevens Point, which, if you
know the outdoor landscape, that's thelargest undergraduate college of natural resources in the
country. In Colorado state is thesecond largest, and so a lot of
folks come out of there as biologistsand game wardens and scientists and things like
that. But I ended up gettinga natural resource degree in an English degree.
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So what do you do with that? Win a bunch of bar bets,
and I to work for Texas's ownDavid Morris, who of course take
them fame TECHAMANEI, food plot Systemsand all that, and he was one
of the owners of game and Fishmagazines out of Atlanta. They had I
think forty magazine something like that.So I edited some of the some of
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the state magazines from the Upper Midwestwhere I was from, and that was
kind of the genesis there. Thenwent out to the Hunting magazine, working
for Boddington for several years out there, and then got recruited by Duckson Limited
to come and run their their magazineand media group, and I think I
was twenty nine when I became agroup manager of marketing communications at DU running
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the magazine, the radio, thetelevision, all that kind of stuff.
We were doing a series back inthe day with the Nashville Network, remember
T and N before it became SpikeTV and before it became Paramount. And
yeah, I was back in kindof a heyday of outdoor television ESPN and
T and N and those networks wereninety ninety five million home networks. The
average outdoor show was doing one pointtwo to one point three million viewers and
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airing, and you know, soit was it was a fun time.
And then created our own company abouttwenty seven to twenty eight years ago.
Kind I saw a lot of theadvertising dollars shifting from print into television back
in the time is pre social media, and so we kind of rode that
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wave. And as you said inyour intro, I think we've done close
to sixty outdoor TV series now andabout another sixty in mainstream cable. So
it's it's been a good run.It's been a twenty five year busy spell
and recently into Imax films and kindof a suite of IMAX films coming to
theaters now, all in the naturalhistory space, the outdoor space, which
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is of course my passion. Youknow, I've been involved. I was
involved with that, not nearly asubscritching the service of what you have in
outdoor writing and television, but justfor a short time with outdoor television.
What do you think is the biggestchange that you've seen over your outdoor television
career, and you've you've seen alot. Yeah, and obviously the emergence
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of social media I think has changedkind of everything. Now. It's it's
really about creating video content that's agnosticto the platform that is, you know,
it could be on television, itcould be in streaming, it could
be you know, in social mediaplatforms et cetera, Instagram, Facebook,
et cetera. So it's really howdo you create great content, create a
unique value, proposition, a uniquevoice, and then find a home for
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it and hopefully audiences find you.So there's you know, it's interesting to
me, there's a hell of alot of really good content being created out
there now. Trying to find someof that content can be a little challenging
just because there's so much but outthere, and that really is the challenge.
And I think the brands are,you know, and you've seen this,
the brands are all kind of tryingto figure out their own avenue.
Do they do they create their owncontent, do they take it to somebody
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else to partner with them, anddo they do some of both? And
so there's you know, it's ait's a big wild West of the media
world right now. And magazines ofcourse are trying to figure out how to
go digital and how to be youknow, video centric as well as as
print. And you've seen Outdoor Lifeand Field and Stream that are now strictly
digital. And these are you know, these are the magazines that we grew
(13:09):
up with, right. I mean, I was a kid in you know,
a little little town in southern Wisconsin, little farming community. I'd go
to the library and in the highschool read Genial and some of these guys
in Field and Stream and Outdoor LifeJack O'Connor and and I just I kind
of wonder if kids do that anymore. What do they do now? I
guess just watch Instagram videos and whatnot. But yeah, everything's changed, is
(13:31):
it. I've learned that Instagram isnow from my grandfather. I believe TikTok
is where it's at, right,right, right, I just dated myself
to that exactly. That's twenty twenty. Yeah, it was funny, you
know, we age ourselves. Iwas, I was filling up with gas
today and you know the video screenson the gas tank. Yeah, so
I heard this guy on the corner. Just wasn't really paying attention. I
(13:52):
heard this guy go, hey,folks, this is a journal. This
is what old people, old peopleused to resolve their feelings. Crazy crazy,
you know. I got to askyou this having been somebody, having
been somebody who's done this before,and I like to get behind the dirty,
dark secrets about door television. Sowhatever you're willing to share with us,
(14:15):
we'll ask you. But what doyou hate the most about hunting in
front of a camera? You know, it's it's intrusive, obviously by design,
but it's I don't really hate theprocess at all. I guess,
you know, having done it fortwenty five years now, It's what I
do enjoy is making really good shows. I really, I really like you
(14:35):
know, the hunt, in documentinga hunt in a way that's really memorable,
something that's different, put some moreenergy into it, you know,
take a little bit higher view ofwhat is it we're trying to communicate here,
not just we came, we saw, we conquered, but is there
is there a broader and we doa lot of you know, part of
the Sporting Classics Show, for instance, is kind of big global reach,
right. The brand is big andglobal. It's big adventure. It's places
(14:58):
that maybe the America and sportsmen wouldhave taken us, you know, thirty
five forty years ago, and themagazine still goes there and now through television,
we're doing some of that as well. So when we go to places
like let's say Ethiopia and we're huntingmountain in Yala, there's twenty of them
taking a year. That's it.Most people are ever going to see a
mountain in yellow. Most people don'thave any clue what a mountain in Dala
(15:20):
is. So if we're going todo it, let's let's go showcase the
whole damn thing. Let's make surethe polaroid comes into focus for the average
viewer that isn't going to go there, but vicariously they are going to go
there through you. And so theresponsibility that comes I think with telling a
little bit broader, deeper story anddoing some research, having some background understanding,
(15:41):
you know, the fact that huntingis the reason that species still exists,
and there's kind of one family,the Russo's family, that really saved
that species with a little help fromDick cabella On, you know, in
that background story. I've written aboutthis in Forbes as well. These are
the kind of stories I love sharingin Forbes, which is my lane for
right I'm the guy that I'm theoutdoor guy, that the gun guy,
(16:03):
that the guy nobody in New York, you know, wants to cover that
kind of content from the given tome and I love it. And so
anyway, when we do those kindsof things, I think that's the passion
is how do we really do justiceto these really amazing adventures and through story,
but through tremendous video and bringing plentyof drones and different shots and spending
(16:26):
enough time on ground to really showcasesomething in a way that you know,
I'm not coming back there anytime soon, you know, so if we're going
to do it, let's do itreally well and hopefully it endures because of
that. Yeah, it's amazing tome to see how far outdoor television has
come in the past ten years.Number one, people stepping up their game
and to the technology, Like yousaid, drone shots and things. You
(16:48):
typically have to hire a helicopter,and you guys do a fabulous job on
Sporting Classic TV. I think youguys are ahead of the game. There.
We've got about a minute left inthis segment. You've hunted with a
lot of hunted and fish and beenoutdoors with a lot of cool people like
Tom Brokaw, worked with Michael Keatonand those guys. How did that happen?
Did you kind of pursue them orthey pursue you, or you know,
it's sort of three degrees of separation. I think in the outdoor space,
(17:10):
the common denominator with all these guysin my universe has always been hunting
and fishing. So it's amazing howthat that's a nice breaker with almost anybody.
And you know, a funny quickstory is the head of NBC wanted
to meet Left Cray and I said, well, I think I can make
that happen. And I've known thehead of NBC he's now recently retired for
(17:30):
a long time and he's he's anoutdoor fishing buddy and all that kind of
stuff. And he said, well, look, I can get a private
jet to Peterborough and New York andget them there from Baltimore, fly him
out to my ranch in Montana,and we'll take care of everything from there.
And it was like he was meeting, you know, the biggest rock
star he'd ever met. This isthe guy who ran Universal Pictures. Right,
(17:52):
every actor in the world is athis disposal. Who do you want
to meet? Lefty Cray? That'scool, that's cool, folks, gotta
take a quick break here on Honeymatterskp r C nine fifty. We'll be
back with our guests right after thebreak. You show us everything you've got.
(18:25):
You keep on that, and nowthe room gets hot. You drive
us? Wow? Well strip youcraze you say you go? The poll
has just been gone for that.You you trive us? Wow? Well,
strap you crazy. Welcome back toHoneymatters on KPRC nine to fifty.
(18:49):
This is your host, Joe betAll right, Ramon, we're joined once
again by Chris Dorsey. Check outhis website at Sporting Classics TV dot com.
Chris, I have a question foryou. What would be your entrance
music if you were going to anevent or I don't know I was.
I was just thinking to myself,that's a pretty darn good tune right there.
I think hang it out for themusic here guy. Thanks, all
(19:10):
right, well think on it.And you know, next time you're at
an appearance to say, hey,guys, if you could play this tables
and walk into the room, itjust sets the tone. Yep, yeah,
there something anybody you need to havewalk in music, right right right?
Hey. The good news for allthe old guys out there, there's
a rumor that ACDC may do anotherNorth American tour. I know they're head
to Europe. So to talk abouteverything on this show, so anyway,
(19:33):
there's some stuff that you're intimately involvedwith. They're perfectly involved with a lot
of things going on. So Iwant to take this opportunity over the next
two segments to pick your brain somethinga phrase that you enlighten me too that
I'm not familiar with. That's calledballot box biology. Please enlighten Ramon and
I Yeah, well, look atit's a big, big deal now in
(19:55):
the hunting community, particularly in theWest. I think there's twenty six states
that have the referendum process, whichis called direct democracy. Right, the
governor doesn't have to say in this, the legislature doesn't have to say in
this. So basically the concept is, you you have something you want to
put on a ballot, You justhave to get an x number of signatures.
You get it on the ballot,and then people vote on it.
(20:17):
You bypass the legislature, you bypassthe whole the governor's mansion, et cetera.
And that's what's going on right nowrelative to hunt And we saw it
in Colorado. I'm my state ofresidence is Colorado. So we saw this
last year on the wolf issue.And what did the anti groups, the
anti hunting groups do. They basicallycame into Denver, into Boulder and got
(20:37):
people to sign enough ballot initiatives toget referendum signatures, and they got it
on the ballot and then they passedit. Right once they get it on
the ballot, then they launch amedia campaign that says, this is why
wolves will be good for Colorado.Never mind the fact that every county in
the Western Slope where the wolves wereactually introduced had voted against introducing wolves.
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Never Mind the fact that the stateagency had recommended against introducing wolves. So
this whole ballot box biology concept isjust running amuck in the twenty six states,
principally in the West, on wildlifeissues. And I think what they're
looking at is they're quite simply saying, look, hunters are only three percent
of the population, so we don'thave to sway really a lot of there's
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a lot of people in the middlethat have no concept of hunting and conservation.
We can create emotional campaigns, emotionalarguments, take it to the mainstream,
and then they will go to theballot box and they will pass these
initiatives. And they've hit on amodel here that clearly is working. And
I think we're going to see moreand more of this. We've seen in
Oregon. They're trying to ban allhunting in Oregon and that's coming up on
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the ballot and so there's kind ofno end in sight as to what they
can do if they put enough resourcesbehind manipulating the average person. And so
I guess the question for the huntingcommunity is we can win and Washington at
the congressional level, we can winin state houses, but if we don't
have an answer for the ballot boxprocess, the referendum process, then we're
(22:08):
going to lose, and so webetter start engaging the mainstream. And I
think, I think that's what I'mseeing. The good news is what I'm
seeing in the industry is more andmore people recognize we have got to take
our story, which is a greatstory of conservation, to the mainstream.
We can't expect others to do it. You know, we've been focused on
habitat on ground, and you know, you give money to conservation organizations,
(22:32):
they apply it on ground. It'sbeen hugely successful, the so called North
American model of wildlife conservation. Butwhat we've ignored, of course, is
telling the story to the mainstream.And consequently we're we're now suffering the consequences
of not doing that, of nottelling the story to the mainstream. So
I think, I think we're reallyat a crossroads. It's a big deal.
And as I look at Colorado andDenver and Boulder kind of controlling everything
(22:56):
again, these sort of blue citiesthat control red states. You know,
we're seeing what happened on the politicalfront, happening of a wildlife front,
and it doesn't bode well. Yeah, we you know, for the first
time ever they're considering a mountain lionmanagement plan for the state of Texas,
and Texas mountain lions have always beenconsidered predators. You can have them year
(23:18):
round, there's never been an issuewith that. But now to your point,
there are these groups that are comingin now going, oh, we
need to talk about having a regulatedhunting season four mountain lions and these sort
of things. And branch managers andowners out west will tell you in West
Texas will tell you different. Butlet's go ahead. Let's go ahead and
open up the gripe session. Hereyou're talking about hunting communities, you know,
the hunting communities and fighting back againstthese anti hunting groups. And we
(23:42):
talked about this before, but antihunting groups are well well funded, and
they are organized, and they spenda lot of money on media, and
they get people in the field,and you know, I guess my frustration,
my gripe is there's a lot ofhunters out there that are very passionate
about what we do and what wereally then as far as hunting and conservation
of habitat and wildlife, But atthe same time, it doesn't seem like
(24:06):
we're as effective and nearly as effectiveas we can be in getting organized,
mobilized and funding, putting funding together, whether it's organizations or individuals, and
working together to counter this on anoffensive from an offensive standpoint versus a defensive
standpoint. Seems like we're all wehaving to defend ourselves. And frankly,
I'm tired of that one hundred percent. Yeah, what you just said is
(24:26):
exactly the issue. And you knowit's funny. I have one of the
National Conservation Group leaders down here andat our place at Braise Island in South
Carolina right now, and it's youknow, it's very easy to make the
case. Now, I think thatare our greatest threats to hunting is not
habitat loss, it's the loss ofrights to go hunting. And another case
in point in Colorado, what's comingup on the on the ballot initiative process
(24:48):
in Colorado, they've they've now gota Mountain lion hunting ban, a Bobtet
hunting ban, and even a Linkswhich I don't even know we had links
in Colorado. So they're looking toban all three of those. And so
here's what the narrative is. Itdoesn't take a lot to forecast what it
is. The strategy is behind this. And once you've introduced wolves in Colorado,
once you've banned mountain lion hunting,then you don't need hunters to control
(25:10):
the prey base anymore. There's noreason to have hunters kill el kader to
control those populations because we've got predatorsto do that now. So they've taken
away the narrative of management through hunting, you know, by virtue of making
sure we can't manage predators. Andthat's what's coming. I mean, it's
it's a it's a fairly sophisticated strategy. It's very incremental in how they go
(25:30):
about doing this. They don't theydon't swing for the fence the first time.
They just take a piece at atime and move that that needle just
further and further towards closures. AndI'm just afraid we've been too sort of
react, as you're saying, we'vegot to take our story of the mainstream,
and we've we've built an apparatus toto lobby our with our efforts in
(25:52):
Washington of the Congress and state housesaround the country. But this ballot box
process, the referendum process, bypassesall of that. It's irrelevant who the
governor is. It's irrelevant who's inthe legislature. Once you put it on
the ballot, because of the referendumprocess, you can pass it, it
becomes law. And there really isn'tmuch you can do to stop that other
(26:12):
than way in in the core ofpublic opinion through media campaigns and educational campaigns.
And I think the other question forus is, you know, look,
were we seem to be looking atthe state agencies as though they're going
to save us. You know,they hopefully understand that a lot of their
funding comes through hunting license sales,fishing sales, et cetera. But at
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the end of the day, Idon't buy that. I don't think the
state agencies are built to push back. They're not media companies, they're not
advertising companies, they're really not eveneducational groups. They have an I and
E Department, but they're not builtto push back against funded, well funded
campaigns against our lifestyle. So Ithink we've got to look at new mechanisms,
new funding. Do we get accessto Pidman Robertson dollars that heretofore with
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Florida, Washington, then back outto the states to be implemented. Well,
that's our money, that's a selfimposed tax. Why can we not
take some of that money and putthat directed at campaigns, you know,
directed at the media and the mainmainstream folks in each state relative to these
issues. And if we don't dothat, I think we're you know,
(27:17):
we're just going to keep losing incrementallyuntil we finally lose something big. And
when you're sitting in Colorado, you'regoing, this is arguably the best hunting
state in the lower forty eight.And if they can end hunting in Colorado,
where does it stop? And sothat's the real fear, that's the
real concern. And I think thatthey a common everyday person needs to understand
that these agency employees are state employees. I've worked with them hand in hand
(27:42):
before, and they can't buck thesystem. These guys are trying to make
a paycheck. They can't get involvedpolitically, they can't push back even though
they believe in the North American modelof conservation. And the other thing is,
and I'm stating now obvious to you, is that a lot of people
to understand that people are being appointedto state fishing game commissions that are anti
hunhunting on a more and more frequentbasis correct, absolutely, especially in Colorado.
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And and that that's a that's aterrific point. I mean, basically,
once a ballot initiatives has been confirmed, there's been enough signatures to get
it on the ballot, the stateagency can no longer comment on that.
The Fish and Wildlife Agency can nolonger make any public statements about it.
They can't get their you know,put their finger on the on the scales
(28:25):
of of this kind of decision whatsoever, you know, never mind the fact
that they were created, they werechartered to manage fish and wildlife resources in
these states for the greater good ofall citizens. And despite that charter,
they're not even allowed to weigh inonce it hits the ballot box. So
it's it's a you know, it'sit's really an insidious backdoor way to to
(28:47):
operate and to run wildlife management.It's awful, and we've got to address
it. We've got to we've gotto really be focused. We've been we've
been too as you say, there'sthere's too many groups doing too many different
things. Nobody's really based on acore issue here. And this is a
this is a big, big deal. I mean, there's Congressional Sportsman's Foundation
is doing great work on our nation, is doing some great work on on
(29:10):
wolf issues and things like that.You guys obviously do great work in Houston.
So I think I think everybody's kindof all over. But I think
as a as a community, we'vegot to come together and be focused and
have a real sustained campaign on scalethat will move the needle and make a
difference long term. Yeah, folks, you better listen to this man.
He knows what he's talking about.Going to take a break here on Hunting
(29:32):
Matters KPRC nine to fifty. Welcomeback to Hunting Matters on KPRCA nine fifty.
This is your STPTR. I'm RamonRoeboltz is joining us todays our guest
(29:52):
Chris Dorsey. Check out this isone of his websites at SPORTINGCLASSICSTV dot com.
Chris, thanks once again for joiningus. You bet good to be
here, Chris. What would beyour last meal on Earth? Wow?
Yeah, maybe maybe a tenderloin fromthe biggest elk I've ever shot. Yeah,
(30:14):
let's let's go with that. Okay, what would be the site?
Say that again? The sides,what would be you know, mashed potato
SI sides, humility and good company, I guess yeah, yeah, very
nice brown water, brown water.Yeah, there you go. Before we
got into break, Chris, wetalked a little bit about you know,
(30:38):
you brought up something about should privateorganizations and or NGOs, non governmental organizations,
nonprofits be able to qualify for matchingPittman Robertson fund which are so incremental
in supporting the future hunting and conservation. Is there a movement about happening around
that or is there talk about it? What's what's the status of that?
Well, there's definitely talk about Imean, I've been singing this tune for
(31:02):
quite a while, and again Ithink, you know, as great as
the North America model is in reality, when Pittman Robertson was created for people
that don't necessarily know what that is, it's an excise tax that was created
what sixty seventy years ago, maybeseventy eighty years ago now, and it
was really designed to stop the nextdust bowl. It was to create habitat
and make sure we could conserve wildlifeand all that good stuff. And it
(31:25):
was a self imposed tax. Sportsmancame to the Congress himself themselves and said,
we want to be taxed, andwe want those funds then to be
used for conservation. If we don'twant another dust bowl, we don't want
the disasters of the thirties and forties, And so they did that, and
again, that's our money, right, this is money that we've said we
believe in. It's dedicated funds forhabitat conservation. But at the time,
(31:48):
there was no real conservation delivery arm, there were no real NGOs. Ducks
Unlimited was barely a fledgling at thatpoint, and so all these Elk Foundation
and all these other groups had reallynot even come to be born at that
point. So now you've got allthese private conservation organizations, including yourselves,
that are doing tremendous work, thatare educating hunters, that are doing habitat
(32:12):
work, et cetera. So atsome point, if we as a community
say, look, you know,it's great to keep spending money on habitat,
we've got to do that. Weunderstand that. But at the same
time, we've got to recognize thereal, clear and present danger in this
anti hunting threat that's coming at uslike a freight train and if we don't
do something now significantly to address that, it's going to be immterial whether or
(32:36):
not we have wildlife habitat. Who'sgoing to go hunting if they can't go
hunting? Right, I mean,if you've got habitat, that's great.
But if nobody's allowed to go hunting, who's going to care? And so
let's let's let's start looking at thisand saying, all right, maybe we
can peel off some significant dollars here, create a really sustained media campaign,
educational campaign nationwide and let people knowwhat hunters do for conservation. Let's mainstream
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understand what you and I already know, and that is we have been the
backbone. We've been the funders,we've been the policy leaders for conservation since
Teddy Roosevelt and anyway. So that'sI think that's a it's a narrative that
should be revisited. We you know, when when Pittman Robertson was passed,
we just didn't have those those groupsout there. But if you're going to
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raise two hundred million dollars as aconservation engo, why wouldn't you qualify for
some of that some percentage of that'ssome kind of a matrix that says,
all right, for every every privatesector dollar you raise, you qualify for
you know, X percentage of dollarsyou know going forward. And and so
I think that's a conversation that oughtto be had, and I think it
ought to be had pretty damp fast. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, absolutely,
(33:44):
Yeah, we're going to talk aboutthat further offline, as I have
a ton of questions on that.I think that's definitely something has can get.
We can get some momentum behind changinggears just a little bit. The
recruitment, retention or reactivation effort thatstarted a few years back, also known
as the R three movement. I'lllike to get your opinion. Since you
have a lot of interactions with differentagencies and individuals across the country, do
(34:05):
you see that as an effective tool? Is it working? You know,
it's really interesting. I had somefriends go to the North American Wildlife Conference,
I think it was up in Calgarythis past year, and they came
back and said, look, basically, the state agency heads, the directors
don't see that as a long termsolution. It's not going to work long
term, but they see it asslowing the demise of hunting and hunters in
(34:27):
the country, so it's hopefully intheir minds, buying some time to find
different funding mechanisms. So in otherwords, I took that to mean you're
really not trying to save hunting,You're just really trying to save your job
at the end of the day,and if funding comes from somebody other than
hunters, that's just fine. Andso that was pretty disturbing to me.
I mean that so as I lookat the R three program again, I
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don't see it as significant enough tosolve the problem, the greater problem,
which is, you know, we'vegot to convince the mainstream that were relevant
for conservation they are better off withus than without us, and we better
create narratives that resonate, we betterhave emotional stories that connect with them,
or we're toast. And so that'sas I see the R three program.
(35:14):
Look, I think there's a lotof people doing good stuff, and I
think there's a lot of good stuffin the R three program, But doing
good is not the same as makinga difference. And we've got to start
making a difference because we're on theclock what And I agree, I've sat
in on a lot of those meetingsespecially the early phases, during the planning
phases of this whole AR three movement. And I know a lot of time
(35:36):
and a lot of money and alot of you know, blood, sweat
and tears have been put into it. What do you see as a different
route that we can take about howwe can be more effective as far as
educating the public. I mean,we've talked about this for years, but
in your opinion, what's the nextmove? Well, we've got to get
into mainstream outlets. We've got tofind mainstream avenues to get to the masses,
(36:00):
and if we don't have them,we've got to build them. Whether
that means going to gatekeepers. AndI don't need a magazine editor. I
mean the people that own the magazines. Now, I don't mean a television
personality. I mean the people thatown the networks. You know, how
do we build those bridges? BecauseI can tell you that there's an awful
lot of very powerful people out therein big media who love to hunt.
(36:21):
They may not be public about it, but they love to hunt and they're
willing to help. But we've gotto build bridges to them. We've got
to bring them into the fold.We've got to We've got to help educate
those people because their influence is soprofound, and if we can do that,
we can make a difference. Butyou know, when you see when
you see big pushes like you know, National Geographic and Disney merging, which
(36:42):
is hard to even wrap your mindaround right now, but the group that
brought us Bambi is now taking thegold Box and infiltrating that and they're now
pumping that into one hundred and seventycountries in the world. And you wonder
why we're struggling. You know,we're struggling in Africa, We're struggling all
over the place because they've got thishuge apparatus. Well, we got to
get inside of that. You know, there are people on the Society Board
(37:05):
who love to haunt, et cetera. We got to find out who they
are. We got to build bridgesto them and be proactive about that.
So anyway, that's you know,that's one small step to making a difference,
I think. But we've just reallygot to engage yeah, yeah,
and the uh yeah, the influencerstoo, people like you know, if
we could bound together people like ChrisPratt and Jack Carr and all those other
people, you know, who havea wide social social audience to be more
(37:29):
effake exactly that as well. I'vegot a little note here. We've got
a little lesson in a minute,I've got a note here to talk about
the Salt Lake Imax film and theater. What's going on there. Yeah,
We've actually got an Imax film calledSecrets of the Great Salt Lake, which
will be done later this year,and they're building up an IMAX theater just
outside of Salt Lake. Big,big environmental story. I mean, the
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Great Salt Lake is suffering. It'sbeen declining, and the bottom of the
lake as it dries up, isexposing this natural arsenic and then you get
the win windstorms that come up,and you've got essentially a natural dirty bomb
at that point. So it's quitean environmental story. It's been in all
the major national international news outlets.And so there's a massive effort underway from
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the Governor's office on down the MormonChurch, et cetera, to really work
to save that lake for a widevariety of reasons. And and again it's
a billion dollars ski industry that largelydepends on moisture and snow created from the
Great Salt Lake. So it's it'seconomically incredibly important. For wildlife, it's
very important, and just for thehealth and well being of people within that
(38:32):
region, it's incredibly important. Sothe film is sort of documenting the importance
of the lake, but also theefforts to save the lake and memorialize that
in a theater that is under construction, soon to be under construction and opening
next year. So that's been that'sbeen one of our projects for the last
two years. That's awesome. That'sawesome folks to say, keep up with
(38:52):
that, keep an eye on thatproject, and keep up with the film
that's coming out. Chris, thankyou so much for joining us. We
are out of time this week hereon Hunting Matters on kPr C nine fifty.
We will see you next week.M
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