March 5, 2025 • 14 mins
Elaine Zeinner is the Communications Senior Manager for Boone County Courts. Host Scott Sloan spoke with Elaine after a suspected five teen suicides have impacted the community and how they are working together to end teen suicide.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We're back with our second half of iHeart Cincy. I'm
Sandy Collins. This public affairs show is produced right here locally,
addressing the issues that we face here in the Tri State,
and there is no more important issue than life itself. Today,
my guest is part of a new movement in Boone County, Kentucky,
where tragically they have lost at least five people to
(00:20):
teen suicide recently. Elaine Zinner is here with some helpful
information about how doctors, mental health experts, business leaders, first responders,
and countless others are getting together to offer help and
hope to struggling teens. This week, my colleague Scott Sloan
spoke with Elaine right after this tragic story.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Broke Scott's loan back on seven hundred WLW. In just
ninety days ninety days time, five juveniles, five kids, died
by suicide in Boone County alone. So in response, agencies
across the county have formed a task force to help
young people experiencing mental health challenges. Part of that team,
the Boone County Suicide Response Team is Xalaine Designer on
(01:01):
the show this morning to discuss on seven hundred w W,
I wish we had a much happier topic to discuss
out of the gate this morning.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Line.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
To be quite honest with you, I'm sure you do as.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Well, Yes I do. But you know, suicide is a
tough conversation to have, but it's really important and important one.
And you know the numbers that you just referenced, it's
five juvenile deaths and no number twenty twenty four. Four
of those were confirmed suicides. One cause of death was undetermined.
But truly, one juvenile death is too many. When there
(01:32):
are four suicides, it's really a call to action for
the community to come together to look at our response
and to make sure that the individuals impacted by suicide
have the support that they need and anybody experiencing thoughts
as suicide is able to connect to the resources and support.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Yeah, and the perspective there is, you know, suicides have sadly,
always been a thing with young people and there's a
number of factors for that, and those numbers are increasing
sadly for reasons get into But to have five in
just three months is that's unprecedented for one county, for
one school district, and it's wave after wave. What do
you think as someone who's now on the inside of
(02:10):
this lane? What's driving this?
Speaker 4 (02:12):
I mean, that's hard to say you. Like I mentioned,
suicide is a very complex issue. There's never any one
reason for someone to decide to take their life. It's
really tends to be in multiple factors coming together.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
One of those though, I know Tricia Mackie at nineteen
posted this on her social feed, and it's disturbing some
of the notes that were left in one young lady's
locker that said, you know, you should kill yourself. You're fat,
you're worthless, you're a hoe. And she did. She ultimately
took her own life. As we'll get into what and
who makes up the Boone County Suicide Response Team, one
(02:50):
area that I've never seen addressed is what about the
bullies themselves. You know, they're never unless that there's a
direct connection there, and they're never really outed. They're somewhat
pretty because they're juveniles. But you know what struck me
is if on the parents or one of these individuals
that had a hand in the death, in the suicide
of these things, you know, I think I'd want to
(03:11):
make that right. Should there be room at the table
for in this case, the bullies, and we know bullying
drives a lot of the suicides. I don't know if
the course something court can do right, but it seems
like these these are the individuals that really should be
the ones where there's a lot of focus on going, well,
you help derive the suicide. Now's here is a chance
for you to help others to make sure they don't
make the same stupid mistake that winds up costing someone
(03:32):
their life.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
I think really at the core of this task force
and response team is we're looking at a variety of
different approaches, programs and resources, and yes, one of those
is around bullying giving kids the support they need so
if they are being bullied, they have somebody that they
(03:55):
can trust to go talk to. If they see somebody
getting bullied, they know which trusted adult they can go
to to report it. And then the adults trusted adult
has the resources and training to intervene and to hopefully
put an end to the bullying and make sure that
also the individual that's being bullied has the support that
(04:17):
they need to navigate that situation.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
And according to what Tricia said at nineteen said, well,
the parents had these notes, they went to the school
and the school said, well, there's not we can do
about it, I guess, and that context would have to
change the schools.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
The schools is really just one component. Yes, bulling can
be an issue, but again that is just one component
of a much larger, more complex issue that is happening,
and that is why it's so important to start engaging
with the community, making sure that the community has the
(04:54):
support and programs in place that they know how to
access them across all different groups. Guidance counselors at schools
know how to talk to the students about a suicide.
You know, friends of somebody that was lost to suicide
have the support to navigate that loss, and then the
(05:17):
survivors of the suicide loss of families also have that
kind of grief support in counseling to navigate the loss.
And then another component of that is again those proactive
and preventative measures with making sure people know about nine
eight eight, so that if they are experiencing suicidal thoughts
or if they know of the loved one who is
(05:38):
experiencing suicidal thoughts, that they can call, text or chat
with nine eight eight, which is a completely furry and
confidential service, and then that individual can talk to a
trained counselor who will provide that personalize support and connect
that individual with the resources that are going to help
them navigate what they're feeling and really the support and
(06:01):
help that they need. Because ultimately, we know that suicide
can be prevented when communities have access to the right
resources and the trustworthy resources and those that are delivering
evidence based care. It is a complex issue that we
have to look through at a much larger scope, and
(06:22):
while addressing bullying could be one component of that, there
are so many other issues that we have to evaluate, assess,
and really address And that is what is the benefit
of point all of these community partners, the experts in
the field. They are the ones that have been reviewing
(06:46):
the research, bringing these evidence based practices to communities experiencing
losses like our county is doing right now, and getting
those right programs and the right information in the hands
of the people that.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Need it right Allaine de Siegner's on the show. She's
with the Boone County Suicide Response Team. This is a
new group formed by I mean I can't read all
the agencies here because it's pretty much everyone. I think
a Boone County which is good because sadly, in just
three months, five juveniles have died by suicide in the
Boone County School District alone, a shockingly high number. And
this was kind of a come to Jesus moment, I think,
(07:24):
where like, hey, we have to do something to react.
But it's also the engagement and the support ahead of
time and devoting resources to support individuals who have been
impacted by suicide loss, but also and more importantly those
who may be on the verge of that and reaching
out to them. There's also something term you coin too
called post vention, which is what.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
So postvention is really that planned response after a suicide
that helps promote healing and it helps reduce the risk
of further suicide. And the idea is really coming together again,
providing those community resources and training so that parents, faith leaders, coaches, friends,
(08:05):
family members can identify warning signs of suicide and as
the response team, that we can make sure that our
community has access to low barrier resources like nine eight
eight that's confidential that people can access to get personalized
care by a trained professional. And when we do that,
(08:26):
when we come together and we have this you know,
response after our suicide, ultimately that turns into prevention because again,
this is a community issue. This is not a school
district issue. These were residents in our families of Boon
County and all of our agencies, all of these organizations
(08:46):
want to make sure that families have the support that
they need.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
And there are countless families out there right now.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Some kid is going through crisis right now and maybe
you know, and as parents are formally a parent of
agers too who have gone through stuff like this as well.
Sometimes kids don't feel comfortable talking to you or you know,
not not making it a big deal for fear that
it's going to make things worse based on how mom
and dad react, and so you feel isolated and alone,
and there's you know, kids wind up looking at a
(09:17):
permanent solution to a temporary problem.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
You know, in the scope of our.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Adult lives, high school literally last just me, it's four years,
right for me, maybe six seven years, but still four years.
And it's really not that long in the scope of
a uh, someone who's going to live to be around
eighty years old. It's so formative. It seems like every
minute is a year. And unfortunately, those are the conditions
in which young people have come and gone over the years.
The problem is they look at this is you know,
(09:42):
there's no way out and there is right.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
And that's really why the most important message that we
as the adults in the community can share that hope
is here. There is help available. There are resources that
in community support that these individuals team use. Adults whoever
you are, that you can access to get support in
(10:09):
a very non judgmental, confidential manner so that you can
access that counseling, the medical care that may help the
way you're feeling in this moment.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Is there a stigma, I think, and that is where
the disconnect is with someone who's young person who sadly
tragically is contemplating taking their own life because of bullying
or because of what's happening in school and maybe the.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Way their life is whatever.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
A lot of reasons you said as the reason why
someone would commit suicide at such a young age. When
you look at that context, though, it's what's preventing these
young people from reaching out again.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
There's no easy answers any of this, and that's what
makes it so difficult, and that's where this community group
is coming together to help. The biggest is really that
engagement and education to let the community know that what
exactly are the programs? How do you access them? What
programs are available if you live in a particular community
(11:11):
in Boone County. What about if you go to a
certain church, What if you play on a specific sports team?
Where can you access care? Where can families go to
help navigate a loss or to connect their child with
the support and program that they need in that moment?
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Yeah, and I mean it's easier said than done. Right,
It sounds good.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Hey, we've got this plan, but the plan only works
if someone picks up that phone or reaches out, makes
a phone call or texts or reaches out on social media.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
Right, this response team is in the very beginning, early stages.
Health is available if you know someone who might be
experiencing thoughts of suicide. If you are experiencing thoughts of suicide,
you can call or text or chat nine to eighty
eight and because connected with the trained counselor who is
there to provide you with the resources and support that
(12:07):
you need in your community.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
All right, Eline Zigner or the Boone County Suicide Response Team,
And she's with the Judge Executive's Office, but it's Boone
County Sheriff, the corner social workers, the school District Florence
is involved in communities there as well. In City of Walton,
Walton Varona schools, you have survivors of suicide loss and
faith based communities and parent advocates. Pretty much everyone has
(12:30):
a seat at the table.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
YEP. It's like I mentioned, it's a community issue and
it's really important that we come together, evaluate the programs
and resources that are available, identify any gaps, and then
just work to get that word out and really engage
the community on how to have these productive, safe conversations.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Nine to eighty eight is the number you need to
know if you are someone you know, somebody you love
needs to speak with a trained counselor. And that's a
free confidential service twenty fours a day, seven days a week.
That is important, a newer thing that we've introduced, and
I think that's certainly a wonderful tool. Nine to eight
eight is the number. What about getting in touch with
the response team itself? When do you guys activate?
Speaker 4 (13:13):
The response team is technically activated, and we are, like
I mentioned, in that planning stage, to pool together our
plan to identify what those programs are to implement and
we'll be meeting again in the next few weeks, if not.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Sooner, well, you know you feel you've got to do something.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
This is certainly seismic, I think in the response from
within the community, because losing five people, five young people,
in ninety days is just that's untenable. Elaine Zeiner, Boone
County Suicide Response Team.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
God bless you. Thanks for what you're doing.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Thank you all right, Thank you Scott Sloan for that conversation.
And remember, if you or anyone you know is thinking
about self harm, just call nine.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
To eight eight.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
You can get that number anywhere in the country to
be connected with local support services. And thanks for our
guests today who prioritize children and are working every day
to give them a hopeful future. Now, if you've got
any comments, questions or suggestions for this show, just drop
me an email to this address. iHeart Sinsey with an
I at iHeartMedia dot com. Guess Iheartsinsey at iHeartMedia dot com.
(14:18):
I love to hear from you. The show will be
available on the iHeartRadio app under podcasts and it's all free.
I'm Sandy Collins. Thanks for listening.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
iHeart Cincy is a production of iHeartMedia Cincinnati.
We're back with our second half of iHeart Cincy. I'm
Sandy Collins. This public affairs show is produced right here locally,
addressing the issues that we face here in the Tri State,
and there is no more important issue than life itself. Today,
my guest is part of a new movement in Boone County, Kentucky,
where tragically they have lost at least five people to
(00:20):
teen suicide recently. Elaine Zinner is here with some helpful
information about how doctors, mental health experts, business leaders, first responders,
and countless others are getting together to offer help and
hope to struggling teens. This week, my colleague Scott Sloan
spoke with Elaine right after this tragic story.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Broke Scott's loan back on seven hundred WLW. In just
ninety days ninety days time, five juveniles, five kids, died
by suicide in Boone County alone. So in response, agencies
across the county have formed a task force to help
young people experiencing mental health challenges. Part of that team,
the Boone County Suicide Response Team is Xalaine Designer on
(01:01):
the show this morning to discuss on seven hundred w W,
I wish we had a much happier topic to discuss
out of the gate this morning.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Line.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
To be quite honest with you, I'm sure you do as.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Well, Yes I do. But you know, suicide is a
tough conversation to have, but it's really important and important one.
And you know the numbers that you just referenced, it's
five juvenile deaths and no number twenty twenty four. Four
of those were confirmed suicides. One cause of death was undetermined.
But truly, one juvenile death is too many. When there
(01:32):
are four suicides, it's really a call to action for
the community to come together to look at our response
and to make sure that the individuals impacted by suicide
have the support that they need and anybody experiencing thoughts
as suicide is able to connect to the resources and support.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Yeah, and the perspective there is, you know, suicides have sadly,
always been a thing with young people and there's a
number of factors for that, and those numbers are increasing
sadly for reasons get into But to have five in
just three months is that's unprecedented for one county, for
one school district, and it's wave after wave. What do
you think as someone who's now on the inside of
(02:10):
this lane? What's driving this?
Speaker 4 (02:12):
I mean, that's hard to say you. Like I mentioned,
suicide is a very complex issue. There's never any one
reason for someone to decide to take their life. It's
really tends to be in multiple factors coming together.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
One of those though, I know Tricia Mackie at nineteen
posted this on her social feed, and it's disturbing some
of the notes that were left in one young lady's
locker that said, you know, you should kill yourself. You're fat,
you're worthless, you're a hoe. And she did. She ultimately
took her own life. As we'll get into what and
who makes up the Boone County Suicide Response Team, one
(02:50):
area that I've never seen addressed is what about the
bullies themselves. You know, they're never unless that there's a
direct connection there, and they're never really outed. They're somewhat
pretty because they're juveniles. But you know what struck me
is if on the parents or one of these individuals
that had a hand in the death, in the suicide
of these things, you know, I think I'd want to
(03:11):
make that right. Should there be room at the table
for in this case, the bullies, and we know bullying
drives a lot of the suicides. I don't know if
the course something court can do right, but it seems
like these these are the individuals that really should be
the ones where there's a lot of focus on going, well,
you help derive the suicide. Now's here is a chance
for you to help others to make sure they don't
make the same stupid mistake that winds up costing someone
(03:32):
their life.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
I think really at the core of this task force
and response team is we're looking at a variety of
different approaches, programs and resources, and yes, one of those
is around bullying giving kids the support they need so
if they are being bullied, they have somebody that they
(03:55):
can trust to go talk to. If they see somebody
getting bullied, they know which trusted adult they can go
to to report it. And then the adults trusted adult
has the resources and training to intervene and to hopefully
put an end to the bullying and make sure that
also the individual that's being bullied has the support that
(04:17):
they need to navigate that situation.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
And according to what Tricia said at nineteen said, well,
the parents had these notes, they went to the school
and the school said, well, there's not we can do
about it, I guess, and that context would have to
change the schools.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
The schools is really just one component. Yes, bulling can
be an issue, but again that is just one component
of a much larger, more complex issue that is happening,
and that is why it's so important to start engaging
with the community, making sure that the community has the
(04:54):
support and programs in place that they know how to
access them across all different groups. Guidance counselors at schools
know how to talk to the students about a suicide.
You know, friends of somebody that was lost to suicide
have the support to navigate that loss, and then the
(05:17):
survivors of the suicide loss of families also have that
kind of grief support in counseling to navigate the loss.
And then another component of that is again those proactive
and preventative measures with making sure people know about nine
eight eight, so that if they are experiencing suicidal thoughts
or if they know of the loved one who is
(05:38):
experiencing suicidal thoughts, that they can call, text or chat
with nine eight eight, which is a completely furry and
confidential service, and then that individual can talk to a
trained counselor who will provide that personalize support and connect
that individual with the resources that are going to help
them navigate what they're feeling and really the support and
(06:01):
help that they need. Because ultimately, we know that suicide
can be prevented when communities have access to the right
resources and the trustworthy resources and those that are delivering
evidence based care. It is a complex issue that we
have to look through at a much larger scope, and
(06:22):
while addressing bullying could be one component of that, there
are so many other issues that we have to evaluate, assess,
and really address And that is what is the benefit
of point all of these community partners, the experts in
the field. They are the ones that have been reviewing
(06:46):
the research, bringing these evidence based practices to communities experiencing
losses like our county is doing right now, and getting
those right programs and the right information in the hands
of the people that.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Need it right Allaine de Siegner's on the show. She's
with the Boone County Suicide Response Team. This is a
new group formed by I mean I can't read all
the agencies here because it's pretty much everyone. I think
a Boone County which is good because sadly, in just
three months, five juveniles have died by suicide in the
Boone County School District alone, a shockingly high number. And
this was kind of a come to Jesus moment, I think,
(07:24):
where like, hey, we have to do something to react.
But it's also the engagement and the support ahead of
time and devoting resources to support individuals who have been
impacted by suicide loss, but also and more importantly those
who may be on the verge of that and reaching
out to them. There's also something term you coin too
called post vention, which is what.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
So postvention is really that planned response after a suicide
that helps promote healing and it helps reduce the risk
of further suicide. And the idea is really coming together again,
providing those community resources and training so that parents, faith leaders, coaches, friends,
(08:05):
family members can identify warning signs of suicide and as
the response team, that we can make sure that our
community has access to low barrier resources like nine eight
eight that's confidential that people can access to get personalized
care by a trained professional. And when we do that,
(08:26):
when we come together and we have this you know,
response after our suicide, ultimately that turns into prevention because again,
this is a community issue. This is not a school
district issue. These were residents in our families of Boon
County and all of our agencies, all of these organizations
(08:46):
want to make sure that families have the support that
they need.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
And there are countless families out there right now.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Some kid is going through crisis right now and maybe
you know, and as parents are formally a parent of
agers too who have gone through stuff like this as well.
Sometimes kids don't feel comfortable talking to you or you know,
not not making it a big deal for fear that
it's going to make things worse based on how mom
and dad react, and so you feel isolated and alone,
and there's you know, kids wind up looking at a
(09:17):
permanent solution to a temporary problem.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
You know, in the scope of our.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Adult lives, high school literally last just me, it's four years,
right for me, maybe six seven years, but still four years.
And it's really not that long in the scope of
a uh, someone who's going to live to be around
eighty years old. It's so formative. It seems like every
minute is a year. And unfortunately, those are the conditions
in which young people have come and gone over the years.
The problem is they look at this is you know,
(09:42):
there's no way out and there is right.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
And that's really why the most important message that we
as the adults in the community can share that hope
is here. There is help available. There are resources that
in community support that these individuals team use. Adults whoever
you are, that you can access to get support in
(10:09):
a very non judgmental, confidential manner so that you can
access that counseling, the medical care that may help the
way you're feeling in this moment.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Is there a stigma, I think, and that is where
the disconnect is with someone who's young person who sadly
tragically is contemplating taking their own life because of bullying
or because of what's happening in school and maybe the.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Way their life is whatever.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
A lot of reasons you said as the reason why
someone would commit suicide at such a young age. When
you look at that context, though, it's what's preventing these
young people from reaching out again.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
There's no easy answers any of this, and that's what
makes it so difficult, and that's where this community group
is coming together to help. The biggest is really that
engagement and education to let the community know that what
exactly are the programs? How do you access them? What
programs are available if you live in a particular community
(11:11):
in Boone County. What about if you go to a
certain church, What if you play on a specific sports team?
Where can you access care? Where can families go to
help navigate a loss or to connect their child with
the support and program that they need in that moment?
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Yeah, and I mean it's easier said than done. Right,
It sounds good.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Hey, we've got this plan, but the plan only works
if someone picks up that phone or reaches out, makes
a phone call or texts or reaches out on social media.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
Right, this response team is in the very beginning, early stages.
Health is available if you know someone who might be
experiencing thoughts of suicide. If you are experiencing thoughts of suicide,
you can call or text or chat nine to eighty
eight and because connected with the trained counselor who is
there to provide you with the resources and support that
(12:07):
you need in your community.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
All right, Eline Zigner or the Boone County Suicide Response Team,
And she's with the Judge Executive's Office, but it's Boone
County Sheriff, the corner social workers, the school District Florence
is involved in communities there as well. In City of Walton,
Walton Varona schools, you have survivors of suicide loss and
faith based communities and parent advocates. Pretty much everyone has
(12:30):
a seat at the table.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
YEP. It's like I mentioned, it's a community issue and
it's really important that we come together, evaluate the programs
and resources that are available, identify any gaps, and then
just work to get that word out and really engage
the community on how to have these productive, safe conversations.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Nine to eighty eight is the number you need to
know if you are someone you know, somebody you love
needs to speak with a trained counselor. And that's a
free confidential service twenty fours a day, seven days a week.
That is important, a newer thing that we've introduced, and
I think that's certainly a wonderful tool. Nine to eight
eight is the number. What about getting in touch with
the response team itself? When do you guys activate?
Speaker 4 (13:13):
The response team is technically activated, and we are, like
I mentioned, in that planning stage, to pool together our
plan to identify what those programs are to implement and
we'll be meeting again in the next few weeks, if not.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Sooner, well, you know you feel you've got to do something.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
This is certainly seismic, I think in the response from
within the community, because losing five people, five young people,
in ninety days is just that's untenable. Elaine Zeiner, Boone
County Suicide Response Team.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
God bless you. Thanks for what you're doing.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Thank you all right, Thank you Scott Sloan for that conversation.
And remember, if you or anyone you know is thinking
about self harm, just call nine.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
To eight eight.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
You can get that number anywhere in the country to
be connected with local support services. And thanks for our
guests today who prioritize children and are working every day
to give them a hopeful future. Now, if you've got
any comments, questions or suggestions for this show, just drop
me an email to this address. iHeart Sinsey with an
I at iHeartMedia dot com. Guess Iheartsinsey at iHeartMedia dot com.
(14:18):
I love to hear from you. The show will be
available on the iHeartRadio app under podcasts and it's all free.
I'm Sandy Collins. Thanks for listening.
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