July 17, 2023 • 29 mins
It's relatively easy to get a driver's license. Pass a written test and learn to steer between the lines. Oh, and there's stoplights and stopsigns, too. But really knowing how a car reacts in unusual situations is vital to surviving each trip behind the wheel.
My guest is Mark Bloom, Founder and President of Better Ohio Teen Drivers. He's taken his 20+ years of race car driving interest and created a Driver Training course (not just Driver's Ed) to teach young drivers how to avoid crashes, deal with wet pavement, keep control when spinning out of it, and much more.
In this show, we'll discuss how the course has developed over the years, where it's taught, and why it's important for EVERY driver to know these techniques.
https://betterohioteendrivers.org/
(614) 273-3649
email info@betterohioteendrivers.org
My guest is Mark Bloom, Founder and President of Better Ohio Teen Drivers. He's taken his 20+ years of race car driving interest and created a Driver Training course (not just Driver's Ed) to teach young drivers how to avoid crashes, deal with wet pavement, keep control when spinning out of it, and much more.
In this show, we'll discuss how the course has developed over the years, where it's taught, and why it's important for EVERY driver to know these techniques.
https://betterohioteendrivers.org/
(614) 273-3649
email info@betterohioteendrivers.org
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This week on iHeart. Since weare in the midst of the one hundred
deadliest days of driving, summertime bringsmore drivers, better weather, less concentration,
faster speeds, and deadly and dangerouscrashes. For twenty years, from
two thousand to twenty twenty, trafficcrashes killed more children in the US than
any other cause, and that's onlyrecently been surpassed by gun violence. Still,
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each year, the Ohio State HighwayPatrol reports that more than twelve hundred
people are killed in traffic crashes.Less experienced teenage drivers and young adult drivers
are particularly vulnerable. The number onereason the new Team drivers crash driver air
due to lack of proper training anexperience we need to lost some control of
the vehicle. That's my guest today, Mark Bloom. Since two thousand and
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five, he has made it hislife's work to teach drivers more than just
the laws to get their driver's license. He knows that understanding what the vehicle's
doing, how it responds, andhow weather affects control all can be learned
before what he calls a wide eyedmoment. By training drivers what to do
in real world scenarios behind the wheel, then we just get them past that
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panic imput. We replace panic imputwith a trained reaction. That's the goal
of the day, and it works. Today we've got information from a new
study never done before to show thatmore training, advanced training, improves driver
reactions and reduces crashes. Mark Bloomis the founder of Better Ohio Team Drivers
dot org. His program could helpyou or someone that you love, learn
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quickly to be more in control ofyour vehicle, making you and your passengers
safer, less likely to crash orbe killed, and be ready for your
next wide eyed moment. You reallyhave to change your attitude towards driving and
really apply yourself when you're behind thewheel. Now on iHeart Cincy with Sandy
Collins. Mark Bloom, President andfounder of Better Ohio Team Drivers, Incorporated.
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Thank you for being here with us. You've trained over ten thousand teenagers
and adults who want to improve theirdriving skills. Students learned to control those
vehicles like through us slalom courses,slippery road conditions, picking up spin avoidance
techniques, and even how to makeemergency lane changes to avoid obstacles, and
a whole lot more so, Mark, thank you for being here today.
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Got a lot of questions for you. That's right, Thanks Sandy for the
opportunity. You run a driver trainingprogram that has seen enormous results in reducing
teenage driving crashes, and you havedone a study with Ohio Health to kind
of look at what helps in trainingstudents to get their their skills up.
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So we're going to talk about allof that, but first I want to
talk about just driving in general.What are the reasons why summertime is so
problematic for drivers and especially for teenagers, right, and the one hundred deadliest
days is more specific to new teendrivers or the teenage drivers, and June,
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July and August that's when most kidscrash. Most teen injuries and fatalities
happen during that summer time frame.So June, July and August the one
hundred deadliest days, and the reasonsfor that are should be pretty obvious to
everyone. Is obviously, the kidsaren't in school. They have a lot
more activities during the day and inthe evening, with maybe jobs, camping
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trips, a lot more social activitiesout and about, as I like to
say, a lot more in thesummer and a little less structured. So
it's not like they got to bein bed early school tomorrow, that type
thing. So they're kind of freteand easy in the summer out and about
a lot. You'll see a lotof these crash has involved teenage drivers than
teenage passengers. There are numerous studieson that topic. It's kind of a
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hot button issue in our industry.And for the most part, you'll see
that's a big no now, especiallywith a new team driver for that first
twelve months, a brand new teamdriver on their full license, they shouldn't
have anyone in the car with them. For well, I'll play you what
I did with my kids, andright now, my son's one of our
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lead instructors and my daughter has beenworking on the program as well since we
started. But when they came homewith their State of Ohio driver's license,
I told them, congratulations, younow go into a three hundred and sixty
five day probation and the period withme, and what that meant was no
eating in the car, no drinkingin the car, no radio obviously,
no mobile device. We can talksome more about that. We teach one
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hundred percent zero tolerance with regard tothe mobile device for anyone and everyone,
including the older teenagers. That wouldbe you and me, Sammy, and
no one in the car with them. They were on their own solo.
Did they listen to the radio,no doubt. Did they have a coke
while they were driving? And I'msure they did, But they pretty much
knew I was serious about no onein the car with them for that first
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twelve months, and I told them, if something happens day three sixty four,
we're going to start the clock again. So they knew I was serious
about it. I was going toask you how you would monitor that if
they're alone all the time. Iknow they have those monitors that you can
actually put on the car to determineif they're going too fast or too slow,
but their actual experience in the vehicleof listening to the radio or eating
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or talking on the phone, thatwould be like a monitor. So that
was more of a trust system,it was. And as I said,
they've both been with the program sincewe started. I mean pretty much when
we started it was the three ofus in the stack of pylons. But
they've been ingrained in the program,kind of immersed in it from day one.
So even today they know, youknow, there's no way we want
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Dad finding out I did something withmy phone while driving. And they're both
great drivers. My son actually doeshigh performance driving and racing events a Corvette
race car, so great driver.My daughter has two amazing granddaughters. She's
a great driver. A lot ofparents can't say that. I mean,
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when my kids were both on theirtemperate permit, I would tell people I
could get in the pastor's seat onthe way to California and tip the seat
back and take a nap and wouldn'tthink a thing of it. But I
trained them. They've been kind of, like I say, immersed in the
program from day one. But alot of it comes down to my background.
I know what works, I knowwhat's lacking, especially in driver ed
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and they got good training right fromthe start. So can we go overmark
the changes from when driver's education usedto be offered in high schools. It
was free, Your football coach oftentimeswas your instructor, and you went out
with a couple of other students inone of those cars. It had breaks
on both sides, and that wastrained into schools when I was growing up,
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and then that was outsourced at somepoint. When did that happen and
what was the reason for that.Yeah, a number of years that all
change and you nailed it with me. I mean, for one semester in
high school we skipped pe and tookdriver ED with in my case the football
coach and then my driving over thesummers with the basketball coach. Both great
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guys, But what do they knowabout teaching someone how to drive? So
I have to be careful with regardto Driver ED because I think they're doing
good work. For the most part. I think it's important. We call
it the rules of the road.Pretty much anyone can teach someone how to
get in the car started, getit out of the driveway, make it
to the store and back with themilk and bread all in one piece.
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Where you get into trouble is addressingthe number one reason these new team drivers
crash, and that has to dowith driver inexperience or lack of proper training,
which leads to driver error, whichleads to loss of control in the
vehicle. We called that first wideeyed moment. In other words, I
like to say, the body cannotgo where the mind has not been.
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So if these team drivers are notgetting exposure to these wide eyed moments,
they almost always do too much ofthe wrong thing at the wrong time,
or they don't do anything, theygo into a panic mode, or they
just breeze, and neither one ofthose things is good. So the purpose
of our program is to address whatdriver ED cannot do, and that's deliver
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what we call advanced driver training.Our program is driver training, not driver
ED. You train on what youdrive. We have the kids go through
the program in what they drive ona daily basis, so while they're learning
something, they also learn what toexpect from their car in these difficult car
control situations. Then we just getthem past that panic input. We replace
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panic input with a train reaction.That's the goal of the day. You
mean, when you're with your motherin the front seat of the car and
you're turning left in front of anothervehicle and then there's a bug in the
window next to you, and youstart screaming like a little girl, and
you take your hands off the wheel, trying to bat it a way,
and your mother says, no,that's not how you handle that distraction.
It sounds like there's a story there. There's such a big story there market
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with you, such a picture,But the program that you've created is so
common sense. Tell me how youcame to the idea that driver education was
good. It helped you get yourlicense, it helps you learn the rules
of the road, but you neededto go one step further and train them
how to get out of a skidor maintain control once you're spinning, and
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things like that. Right, andthere are a number of schools around the
country that have been doing this foryears. I mean the Skid Barber's School,
the Bond Around School in Phoenix whichis now Radford. My exposure to
this training came from working at theMid Ohio School at the sports car track
up by Mansfield, Ohio. Iworked with those guys for about ten years,
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and my background is in sports carracings. In fact, a gentleman
I raced against Calvin Fish. Heencouraged me to join the Mid Ohigh School
into becoming structor. And then I'veworked with guys up there who raced at
the twenty four hour of my mom, raced in Indy cars, raced in
MSGT, a gentleman who won thedayton of twenty four hour in a Corvette
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race car. So these are guyswho made it to levels of racing I
never attained. But the foundation forthis training comes from my time and these
guys in the race car. Whatis the car doing and why? What
should you be doing about it?Now? How do you fit in the
car? How your mirrors adjusted?Knowing exactly what the car is going to
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do. If I do something withthe steering wheel, brake pedal, or
even the gas pedal, which iswhy I'm doing something with the steering wheel,
brake pedal or maybe the gas pedalbeing connected to the car. If
the car is moving, it issending you information. You have to know
how to process that information and dealwith it. And then one of the
main things, a huge component ofthis is using your eyes constantly and effectively
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looking for threats and opportunities. Wetalk about focus, ernest tires and eyes
spells out the word fate. Yourfaith is in your hands and totally under
your control of nine to nine percentof the time if you're doing everything right
and really applying yourself to your driving. I like to tell the new team
drivers in our program, you cannotwatch the video game play out in the
windshield in front of you. Youreally have to change your attitude towards driving
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and really apply yourself when you're behindthe wheel. So that's kind of how
our journey started. The main surprisefor me was that first team program that
I worked as an instructor for theMiddle House School was I had a team
driver go into the drill. Theymessed it up a little bit, they
came back out from coaching and feedback, and then they started doing what we
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wanted them to do, and thenwe made them do it over and over
and over again, build a habit, develop a skill. And that teacher
coach thing really surprised me. Ididn't expect it, and it was a
very pleasant surprise. It was secondnature to me, but I was able
to teach someone how to do itvery quickly and then them do it multiple
times and basically develop the same skill. Very rewarding, and it's exactly the
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way we learn everything. Someone showsyou how to do it, you practice,
you do it over and over,you fall down, you get up.
Eventually you figure out how to walk, or how to hit a baseball,
or how to do anything. Soit does make such great sense.
If you just tuned in. I'mSandy Collins. I'm talking with Mark Bloom.
He's the founder and president of BetterOhio teen Drivers dot org, whose
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work for nearly twenty years has beento teach drivers advanced driving techniques to stay
out of the hospital and out ofthe morgue by knowing how to get out
of what he calls wide eyed moments, unexpected traffic situations, and come out
of that alive. You're based inColumbus, and do you have programs available
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outside of that area or does studentsneed to come to Columbus. Ideally they
come to our facility. We're ina great partnership with Roadmaster Drivers School in
Columbus. It is a brand newfacility. I think this might be year
four for that facility, and thisis our third year at Roadmasters, So
it's a brand new facility, brandnew office space and classroom. And then
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the drills actually take place on sixpoint five acres a wide open driving facility.
There are no parking lot islands orlight poles or anything like that.
So I like to tell people youcould probably land two small aircraft on this
facility simultaneously with plenty of room.So when you're talking about this, you're
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talking about getting people behind the wheelthat are in their temps or maybe they
just have their license and you're goingto let them skid you're gonna let them
spin, You're gonna let them rideon slippery roads and learn how to navigate
that. So it's kind of likewhat you see on the movies or on
television when you're watching the cops ordeputies learning how to drive. You're actually
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letting them feel what the card doeswhen you get into these dificult situations.
Correct, All of our drills aredesigned to simulate pretty much anything and everything
a driver, not only a newteam driver, but any one of us
can experience any day of the week. The wet breaking and steering drill takes
place on a black top pad thatwe've put down on the paved concrete out
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of Roadmaster. That is all asphaltsseiler. There's no traction enhancers or stand
or anything like that in that assphaltsteiler. So, needless to say,
when we wet that down, thekids are able to get into the antelock
breaking system immediately, which is whatwe want. They've never experienced the noise
and sensation for pantelock breaks, andwe tell them that noise and sensation is
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a good thing. The ABS hascome on and it's trying to help you.
We're simulating a residential street situation twentyfive plus miles per hour, and
the kid might ride the bike downthe driveway or chase a ball out in
the street something like that. Breaksaren't enough and you actually have to steer
around the kid. So we teachthe kids how with an analock breaking system
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that is functioning properly, Basically,bury your foot in the carpet with the
brake pedal, forget about the breaks. The car's computer will do everything else,
and then look where you want togo. Do not look at the
kid. That's called target fixation.You will hit the kid. Look where
you want to go. And inour case, we're teaching them to swerve
to the left to avoid that youngsterthat somehow, some way ended up in
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the middle of the road as youwere coming by that day. So think
about analock breaking system ABS, butalso think about ABS ability to break and
steer. We're actually teaching the kidshow to use an analock breaking system the
way it was designed to be used. Yeah, when they first started creating
ABS, they were trying to figureout how to allow a car to slam
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to a hale as safely as possiblewithout skidding, and it used to be.
Before ABS, you had to pumpthe brake yourself in order to make
sure that you didn't slide too much. But they've finally perfected it to the
point where if you just as yousaid, mash your foot down, that
computer will do the work for you. And it's for older drivers like me,
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it's probably still difficult to think aboutthat because you were trained on driving
a different way. But for youngpeople coming into it that have never had
to worry about that or don't haveto drive older cars, that approach must
be really helpful because it allows youto trust the technology and know that it's
your best option. Right And infact, we do not even teach pumping
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the brakes anymore. If we havea car that was never equipped with an
antalock braking system, or might havean ABS system with a broken wheel sense
or something like that. In otherwords, it has ABS on the car,
but it's not functioning properly, soyour brakes are fine, you just
don't have ABS. We teach somethingcalled threshold breaking. If you think about
pumping the brakes, think about howyou're upsetting the balance of the car and
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making it bounce back and forth.We teach threshold breaking, which is a
little more difficult, a little morecomplicated, but the newer drivers can pick
it up pretty well and pretty quickly. And then at the end of that
drill, I'll tell them, nowyou've just experienced wet pavement and trying to
steer around something. You now knowthat your car doesn't have an anial lot
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breaking system, and you don't wantto be in this situation in real life.
And the kids always say, oh, absolutely, So you have to
build in more time and space aroundthe car, be much more careful in
bad weather, adverse conditions, andreally apply yourself to your driving. You
don't have the benefit of that greatbig safety net of ani loot breaking system.
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My guest is Mark Bloom from BetterOhio teen drivers dot Org. There's
a whole lot more coming up oniHeart Sinc. This is fifty five KRC,
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State. I'm Sandy Collins. Andif you've ever watched police driver training videos
or maybe stunt doubles whipping cars aroundlike they're out of control a year going
to be interested in this driver's trainingcourse and an advanced driver training course that's
available right here in the Tri Statein Columbus. My guest today is Mark
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bloom Is, the president and CEOof Better Ohio teen Drivers dot org.
Mark. For people who like todrive like I do. This sounds like
it would be a great fun course. It is a lot of fun.
I think we're really proud of theway it's evolved over the year. Our
first program was in two thousand andsix. More than ten thousand team drivers
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have gone through the program. Ialways refer to the adults who attend with
us. It's usually the parents.Obviously, some parents will take the program
with their team driver. We alwaysrefer to them as the older teenager.
We had a gentleman referred to usby Triple A a number of years ago,
who was seventy two years old atthe time, and at the end
of the day he told me,I've been driving for more than fifty years,
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and I'm going to change everything I'vebeen doing in a car and position
on the steering will, how mymarrs are adjusted, don't pump the brakes,
I have abs. He went onand on about about taking the program.
So the entire day is about drivingphysics, and physics doesn't care how
old you are and how long you'vebeen driving. The study that Ohio Health
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did that was sponsored by Westfield InsuranceField Insurance Foundation. Yeah, tell us
what happened with this study and whatthe study shows not only immediately from learning
these techniques to long term retention.Right. We're really proud of the study
and our involvement with Ohio Health andWestfield on it, and I've been calling
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it a ground breaking study, andone of the lead researchers said that's wholly
appropriate. When we started the relationshipwith Ohio Health, they assigned two research
librarians from the Ohio Health Research Instituteto find any study anywhere in the world
at any time with this much rigorand number of participants and number of phases
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and years that the study took,and they could find nothing even close.
So this study is the study inthe world on advanced driver training for new
team drivers. They recruited almost eighthundred kids. We had an eighty percent
retention rate in the study across theyears the study took place, which is
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huge. It took place on aclosed course in a controlled environment, which
is another thing that's very important becausewe were able to deliver the training,
track the students through the training andcollect that data. And what they found
was we had the intervention group.Those are the kids who got the full
based training, the two hour classroom, the coach can feedback the multiple passes
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in each drill, and then wecompared them to a control group, and
the control group basically showed up.We told them what we wanted them to
do in the drill, but wedidn't tell them how to do it,
and we sent them into the drillfor one pass. In other words,
we were replicating that one wide eyedmoment in each drill. And you can
imagine what we saw when you comparethe two groups. So what we found
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in the study that in just thefour hours of training, the intervention kids,
the kids who got the actual training, their ability to maintain the speed
and the control in the drill nothitting any pylons that time, saying in
four hours of training went from seventyone percent to eighty four percent, So
that's a ten point plus jump.What we then had both groups do after
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their appearance at the program, wehad them come back in a three or
six month window and we asked themto do one pass of each drill.
So the intervention group kids, whatdid you retain can you still do the
drills? And then the control groupkids was what did you learn out on
your own in real world driving?And what we found there that the intervention
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group kids had an eighty six percentmastery of the drills versus sixty nine percent
for the control group kids. Wow, so that's almost a twenty point john.
So to summarize that twenty percent moreof the group that was trained how
to get out of these situations retainedit than the kids that learned it on
their own, and they may nothave even learned any of those things because
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they weren't exposed to them three orsix months, so they're just lucky.
You might have just been lucky inthat second pass exactly, and could be
honest with you, none of thissurprises me. It doesn't surprise our instructors
their staff because they see this everyday we do the program. The kids
just get it and then they startdoing it over and over and over again.
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Remember a bill to haven't developed askill. You know, this really
addresses the number one reason these newteam drivers crashed driver Air due to lack
of proper training, an experience weleave to loss of control the vehicle,
and we're trying to fix that onething. A lot of people think these
kids are crashing because of the mobiledevice. To be honest with you,
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knowing what I'm seeing and knowing whatI'm looking for, I think it's mostly
the older teenagers who are screwing aroundwith their mobile device while driving. Most
of the new drivers I see areyounger drivers. They're kind of wipe knuckled
on the steering wheel, looking outthe windshield, trying to do a good
job. It's almost always the adultdrivers who have been driving for a long
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time. Driving is so easy.I've been doing it forever. I'm an
awesome driver. I'm going to goahead and make this phone call, send
this text for order that pizza whileI'm on the way. And that's where
we're starting to get into trouble.Mark a couple of technical questions here,
I guess not technical necessarily, butlike legal, Can you get a driver's
license in Ohio without driver education?You can as an eighteen year old?
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And that's not what anybody wants,right, Nobody wants that. I don't
think that's a good idea. Remembermy kids on their temporary permit. We're
pretty awesome drivers at fifteen and ahalf, but that's how they were trained.
So you're talking about adding your courseof driver training on top of driver
education, isn't that correct? Absolutely? That has always been our long term
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goal now that the study's out.Personally, that's my only goal, focus
and passion right now is to getthis added two Driver ED, not to
replace driver ED. Driver head stillhas an important role, but we need
to address the number one reason thesenew team drivers crash. You would be
amazed how many parents don't know thatcar crashes are the leading cause of death
for American teenagers sixteen to twenty yearsold. It's been that way for decades,
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and driver Head's been doing with drivered for decades. We need to
try something different, and we needto look at why the kids are crashing
and fix it or try to addressit in the best way possible. And
now that the studies out there,we think we're on the right track.
Your program is one day, isthat correct? That's correct. It's about
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six hours if you include lunch,and most of that time is spent in
the drills behind the wheel, multiplepasses, build a habit, develop a
skill. It sounds pretty easy toactually commit to at this point. You
know, it's one day. It'son top of everything that I've learned before.
It can't hurt by any stretch ofthe imagination, and certainly can save
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your life and others. I can'timagine this wouldn't work for just about anybody.
Yeah, this training, it's allabout driving physics. Physics doesn't know
what it's pushing on. Physics doesn'tcare. We can all learn, we
can all continue to learn. Weshould all continue to learn. One of
the things we use in the classroomis something called the Lake Wobegon effect.
When you think you're better at somethingthan everyone else, or you won't recognize
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your lack of skill or ability.And that's regarding the older teenagers who've been
driving for so long that's around withtheir mole device. I'm a great driver,
I know how to do this.I've been doing it so long.
I'm going to go ahead and makethis phone call. So in our program,
we teach one hundred percent of zerotolerance with regarding the mole device for
anyone and everyone. It's not worththe risk to yourself or someone else.
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The average teenager in soccer, youknow, from Kawana's league all the way
up through college, they get morethan fifteen hundred hours of practice. And
here we are letting kids loose onthe road with twenty four hours of class
from me eight hours behind the wheelwith a license instructor. Now, compare
being in an automobile to playing soccerwhich one puts your life at risk the
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most? And I think we alsowould agree on the answer to that.
So things are a little upside down, but we're trying to fix it.
Mark, how do we get ahold of your program in Columbus And can
you give us any more details thatyou want us to know about that program?
Sure? And thank you You canget to us at better Ohio teen
Drivers dot org. That's our website, Better Ohio teen Drivers dot org.
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We're also on Facebook. The studyis on the website and fund number six
one four two seven three three sixfour nine, But again it's better Ohio
teen Drivers dot org. How oftenare the classes and what's the typical experience?
Is it a weekend? Is itweekdays? Is it nights? Right,
a great partnership with Roadmaster. Theydo CDL training Monday through Friday eight
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to five, and we literally havethe run into place on the weekend,
which is our ideal days, right, so Saturday and Sunday. Typically we're
running three to four programs a month. Maximum enrollment is eighteen students in a
class. Do you need your attemptsin order to sign up for yours or
do you have to be licensed alreadyor is there no requirement at this point
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because you're not on the main roadway. Yeah. Our minimum licensing requirement as
a temper permit, plus that newdrivers should have been in the car with
their parents probably ten to fifteen hours. In other words, that the parents
are reasonably comfortable riding with that studenton the road, they'll probably be fine
in the program. The program isintimidating by design. We want kids to
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start taking their driving much more seriously, so they really have to apply themselves.
And like I said, each passof every drill is a wide eyed
moment. We're throwing a lot atthem. And I tell the kids at
the end of lunch, when we'redoing a review classroom review and we're ready
to get out to the drills,we introduce the instructors and I tell them
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their job for the rest of theday is to screw you up, to
throw as much stuff at you aswe can and make them work for it.
They really have to apply themselves totheir driving. You know, there's
a lot involved with taking the program, but it's well worth it. Mark,
that sounds fantastic. Thank you fordoing what you do. I really
appreciate you taking the time. That'sa great opera atunity that you gave us
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here. One really appreciate it.Thanks a lot. All right, that's
all the time we have here foriHeart since if you missed any of it
today, you can go to theiHeartRadio app and find it under podcasts.
Just search for iHeart Cincy. Andthanks to Mark Bloom from Better Ohio teen
drivers dot org check out his advancedtraining courses for drivers till next week.
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I Heeart Cincy is a production ofiHeartMedia Cincinnati,
This week on iHeart. Since weare in the midst of the one hundred
deadliest days of driving, summertime bringsmore drivers, better weather, less concentration,
faster speeds, and deadly and dangerouscrashes. For twenty years, from
two thousand to twenty twenty, trafficcrashes killed more children in the US than
any other cause, and that's onlyrecently been surpassed by gun violence. Still,
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each year, the Ohio State HighwayPatrol reports that more than twelve hundred
people are killed in traffic crashes.Less experienced teenage drivers and young adult drivers
are particularly vulnerable. The number onereason the new Team drivers crash driver air
due to lack of proper training anexperience we need to lost some control of
the vehicle. That's my guest today, Mark Bloom. Since two thousand and
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five, he has made it hislife's work to teach drivers more than just
the laws to get their driver's license. He knows that understanding what the vehicle's
doing, how it responds, andhow weather affects control all can be learned
before what he calls a wide eyedmoment. By training drivers what to do
in real world scenarios behind the wheel, then we just get them past that
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panic imput. We replace panic imputwith a trained reaction. That's the goal
of the day, and it works. Today we've got information from a new
study never done before to show thatmore training, advanced training, improves driver
reactions and reduces crashes. Mark Bloomis the founder of Better Ohio Team Drivers
dot org. His program could helpyou or someone that you love, learn
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quickly to be more in control ofyour vehicle, making you and your passengers
safer, less likely to crash orbe killed, and be ready for your
next wide eyed moment. You reallyhave to change your attitude towards driving and
really apply yourself when you're behind thewheel. Now on iHeart Cincy with Sandy
Collins. Mark Bloom, President andfounder of Better Ohio Team Drivers, Incorporated.
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Thank you for being here with us. You've trained over ten thousand teenagers
and adults who want to improve theirdriving skills. Students learned to control those
vehicles like through us slalom courses,slippery road conditions, picking up spin avoidance
techniques, and even how to makeemergency lane changes to avoid obstacles, and
a whole lot more so, Mark, thank you for being here today.
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Got a lot of questions for you. That's right, Thanks Sandy for the
opportunity. You run a driver trainingprogram that has seen enormous results in reducing
teenage driving crashes, and you havedone a study with Ohio Health to kind
of look at what helps in trainingstudents to get their their skills up.
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So we're going to talk about allof that, but first I want to
talk about just driving in general.What are the reasons why summertime is so
problematic for drivers and especially for teenagers, right, and the one hundred deadliest
days is more specific to new teendrivers or the teenage drivers, and June,
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July and August that's when most kidscrash. Most teen injuries and fatalities
happen during that summer time frame.So June, July and August the one
hundred deadliest days, and the reasonsfor that are should be pretty obvious to
everyone. Is obviously, the kidsaren't in school. They have a lot
more activities during the day and inthe evening, with maybe jobs, camping
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trips, a lot more social activitiesout and about, as I like to
say, a lot more in thesummer and a little less structured. So
it's not like they got to bein bed early school tomorrow, that type
thing. So they're kind of freteand easy in the summer out and about
a lot. You'll see a lotof these crash has involved teenage drivers than
teenage passengers. There are numerous studieson that topic. It's kind of a
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hot button issue in our industry.And for the most part, you'll see
that's a big no now, especiallywith a new team driver for that first
twelve months, a brand new teamdriver on their full license, they shouldn't
have anyone in the car with them. For well, I'll play you what
I did with my kids, andright now, my son's one of our
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lead instructors and my daughter has beenworking on the program as well since we
started. But when they came homewith their State of Ohio driver's license,
I told them, congratulations, younow go into a three hundred and sixty
five day probation and the period withme, and what that meant was no
eating in the car, no drinkingin the car, no radio obviously,
no mobile device. We can talksome more about that. We teach one
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hundred percent zero tolerance with regard tothe mobile device for anyone and everyone,
including the older teenagers. That wouldbe you and me, Sammy, and
no one in the car with them. They were on their own solo.
Did they listen to the radio,no doubt. Did they have a coke
while they were driving? And I'msure they did, But they pretty much
knew I was serious about no onein the car with them for that first
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twelve months, and I told them, if something happens day three sixty four,
we're going to start the clock again. So they knew I was serious
about it. I was going toask you how you would monitor that if
they're alone all the time. Iknow they have those monitors that you can
actually put on the car to determineif they're going too fast or too slow,
but their actual experience in the vehicleof listening to the radio or eating
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or talking on the phone, thatwould be like a monitor. So that
was more of a trust system,it was. And as I said,
they've both been with the program sincewe started. I mean pretty much when
we started it was the three ofus in the stack of pylons. But
they've been ingrained in the program,kind of immersed in it from day one.
So even today they know, youknow, there's no way we want
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Dad finding out I did something withmy phone while driving. And they're both
great drivers. My son actually doeshigh performance driving and racing events a Corvette
race car, so great driver.My daughter has two amazing granddaughters. She's
a great driver. A lot ofparents can't say that. I mean,
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when my kids were both on theirtemperate permit, I would tell people I
could get in the pastor's seat onthe way to California and tip the seat
back and take a nap and wouldn'tthink a thing of it. But I
trained them. They've been kind of, like I say, immersed in the
program from day one. But alot of it comes down to my background.
I know what works, I knowwhat's lacking, especially in driver ed
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and they got good training right fromthe start. So can we go overmark
the changes from when driver's education usedto be offered in high schools. It
was free, Your football coach oftentimeswas your instructor, and you went out
with a couple of other students inone of those cars. It had breaks
on both sides, and that wastrained into schools when I was growing up,
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and then that was outsourced at somepoint. When did that happen and
what was the reason for that.Yeah, a number of years that all
change and you nailed it with me. I mean, for one semester in
high school we skipped pe and tookdriver ED with in my case the football
coach and then my driving over thesummers with the basketball coach. Both great
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guys, But what do they knowabout teaching someone how to drive? So
I have to be careful with regardto Driver ED because I think they're doing
good work. For the most part. I think it's important. We call
it the rules of the road.Pretty much anyone can teach someone how to
get in the car started, getit out of the driveway, make it
to the store and back with themilk and bread all in one piece.
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Where you get into trouble is addressingthe number one reason these new team drivers
crash, and that has to dowith driver inexperience or lack of proper training,
which leads to driver error, whichleads to loss of control in the
vehicle. We called that first wideeyed moment. In other words, I
like to say, the body cannotgo where the mind has not been.
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So if these team drivers are notgetting exposure to these wide eyed moments,
they almost always do too much ofthe wrong thing at the wrong time,
or they don't do anything, theygo into a panic mode, or they
just breeze, and neither one ofthose things is good. So the purpose
of our program is to address whatdriver ED cannot do, and that's deliver
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what we call advanced driver training.Our program is driver training, not driver
ED. You train on what youdrive. We have the kids go through
the program in what they drive ona daily basis, so while they're learning
something, they also learn what toexpect from their car in these difficult car
control situations. Then we just getthem past that panic input. We replace
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panic input with a train reaction.That's the goal of the day. You
mean, when you're with your motherin the front seat of the car and
you're turning left in front of anothervehicle and then there's a bug in the
window next to you, and youstart screaming like a little girl, and
you take your hands off the wheel, trying to bat it a way,
and your mother says, no,that's not how you handle that distraction.
It sounds like there's a story there. There's such a big story there market
(09:07):
with you, such a picture,But the program that you've created is so
common sense. Tell me how youcame to the idea that driver education was
good. It helped you get yourlicense, it helps you learn the rules
of the road, but you neededto go one step further and train them
how to get out of a skidor maintain control once you're spinning, and
(09:28):
things like that. Right, andthere are a number of schools around the
country that have been doing this foryears. I mean the Skid Barber's School,
the Bond Around School in Phoenix whichis now Radford. My exposure to
this training came from working at theMid Ohio School at the sports car track
up by Mansfield, Ohio. Iworked with those guys for about ten years,
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and my background is in sports carracings. In fact, a gentleman
I raced against Calvin Fish. Heencouraged me to join the Mid Ohigh School
into becoming structor. And then I'veworked with guys up there who raced at
the twenty four hour of my mom, raced in Indy cars, raced in
MSGT, a gentleman who won thedayton of twenty four hour in a Corvette
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race car. So these are guyswho made it to levels of racing I
never attained. But the foundation forthis training comes from my time and these
guys in the race car. Whatis the car doing and why? What
should you be doing about it?Now? How do you fit in the
car? How your mirrors adjusted?Knowing exactly what the car is going to
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do. If I do something withthe steering wheel, brake pedal, or
even the gas pedal, which iswhy I'm doing something with the steering wheel,
brake pedal or maybe the gas pedalbeing connected to the car. If
the car is moving, it issending you information. You have to know
how to process that information and dealwith it. And then one of the
main things, a huge component ofthis is using your eyes constantly and effectively
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looking for threats and opportunities. Wetalk about focus, ernest tires and eyes
spells out the word fate. Yourfaith is in your hands and totally under
your control of nine to nine percentof the time if you're doing everything right
and really applying yourself to your driving. I like to tell the new team
drivers in our program, you cannotwatch the video game play out in the
windshield in front of you. Youreally have to change your attitude towards driving
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and really apply yourself when you're behindthe wheel. So that's kind of how
our journey started. The main surprisefor me was that first team program that
I worked as an instructor for theMiddle House School was I had a team
driver go into the drill. Theymessed it up a little bit, they
came back out from coaching and feedback, and then they started doing what we
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wanted them to do, and thenwe made them do it over and over
and over again, build a habit, develop a skill. And that teacher
coach thing really surprised me. Ididn't expect it, and it was a
very pleasant surprise. It was secondnature to me, but I was able
to teach someone how to do itvery quickly and then them do it multiple
times and basically develop the same skill. Very rewarding, and it's exactly the
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way we learn everything. Someone showsyou how to do it, you practice,
you do it over and over,you fall down, you get up.
Eventually you figure out how to walk, or how to hit a baseball,
or how to do anything. Soit does make such great sense.
If you just tuned in. I'mSandy Collins. I'm talking with Mark Bloom.
He's the founder and president of BetterOhio teen Drivers dot org, whose
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work for nearly twenty years has beento teach drivers advanced driving techniques to stay
out of the hospital and out ofthe morgue by knowing how to get out
of what he calls wide eyed moments, unexpected traffic situations, and come out
of that alive. You're based inColumbus, and do you have programs available
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outside of that area or does studentsneed to come to Columbus. Ideally they
come to our facility. We're ina great partnership with Roadmaster Drivers School in
Columbus. It is a brand newfacility. I think this might be year
four for that facility, and thisis our third year at Roadmasters, So
it's a brand new facility, brandnew office space and classroom. And then
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the drills actually take place on sixpoint five acres a wide open driving facility.
There are no parking lot islands orlight poles or anything like that.
So I like to tell people youcould probably land two small aircraft on this
facility simultaneously with plenty of room.So when you're talking about this, you're
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talking about getting people behind the wheelthat are in their temps or maybe they
just have their license and you're goingto let them skid you're gonna let them
spin, You're gonna let them rideon slippery roads and learn how to navigate
that. So it's kind of likewhat you see on the movies or on
television when you're watching the cops ordeputies learning how to drive. You're actually
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letting them feel what the card doeswhen you get into these dificult situations.
Correct, All of our drills aredesigned to simulate pretty much anything and everything
a driver, not only a newteam driver, but any one of us
can experience any day of the week. The wet breaking and steering drill takes
place on a black top pad thatwe've put down on the paved concrete out
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of Roadmaster. That is all asphaltsseiler. There's no traction enhancers or stand
or anything like that in that assphaltsteiler. So, needless to say,
when we wet that down, thekids are able to get into the antelock
breaking system immediately, which is whatwe want. They've never experienced the noise
and sensation for pantelock breaks, andwe tell them that noise and sensation is
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a good thing. The ABS hascome on and it's trying to help you.
We're simulating a residential street situation twentyfive plus miles per hour, and
the kid might ride the bike downthe driveway or chase a ball out in
the street something like that. Breaksaren't enough and you actually have to steer
around the kid. So we teachthe kids how with an analock breaking system
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that is functioning properly, Basically,bury your foot in the carpet with the
brake pedal, forget about the breaks. The car's computer will do everything else,
and then look where you want togo. Do not look at the
kid. That's called target fixation.You will hit the kid. Look where
you want to go. And inour case, we're teaching them to swerve
to the left to avoid that youngsterthat somehow, some way ended up in
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the middle of the road as youwere coming by that day. So think
about analock breaking system ABS, butalso think about ABS ability to break and
steer. We're actually teaching the kidshow to use an analock breaking system the
way it was designed to be used. Yeah, when they first started creating
ABS, they were trying to figureout how to allow a car to slam
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to a hale as safely as possiblewithout skidding, and it used to be.
Before ABS, you had to pumpthe brake yourself in order to make
sure that you didn't slide too much. But they've finally perfected it to the
point where if you just as yousaid, mash your foot down, that
computer will do the work for you. And it's for older drivers like me,
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it's probably still difficult to think aboutthat because you were trained on driving
a different way. But for youngpeople coming into it that have never had
to worry about that or don't haveto drive older cars, that approach must
be really helpful because it allows youto trust the technology and know that it's
your best option. Right And infact, we do not even teach pumping
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the brakes anymore. If we havea car that was never equipped with an
antalock braking system, or might havean ABS system with a broken wheel sense
or something like that. In otherwords, it has ABS on the car,
but it's not functioning properly, soyour brakes are fine, you just
don't have ABS. We teach somethingcalled threshold breaking. If you think about
pumping the brakes, think about howyou're upsetting the balance of the car and
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making it bounce back and forth.We teach threshold breaking, which is a
little more difficult, a little morecomplicated, but the newer drivers can pick
it up pretty well and pretty quickly. And then at the end of that
drill, I'll tell them, nowyou've just experienced wet pavement and trying to
steer around something. You now knowthat your car doesn't have an anial lot
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breaking system, and you don't wantto be in this situation in real life.
And the kids always say, oh, absolutely, So you have to
build in more time and space aroundthe car, be much more careful in
bad weather, adverse conditions, andreally apply yourself to your driving. You
don't have the benefit of that greatbig safety net of ani loot breaking system.
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My guest is Mark Bloom from BetterOhio teen drivers dot Org. There's
a whole lot more coming up oniHeart Sinc. This is fifty five KRC,
an iHeartRadio station. Welcome to thegood Stuff. I'm Jacob Schick,
a third generation combat marine, andI'm his co host and wife, Ashley
Shick. We believe everyone has astory to tell about the peaks, but
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the valleys they've been through to getthem to where they are today. We're
joined by some amazing guests who sharethe lessons they've learned that shaped who they
are and what they're doing to payit forward and give back. Listen to
the good stuff on the iHeartRadio appor wherever you get your podcasts. This
is I heard since the a publicaffairs program produced right here in the Tri
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State. I'm Sandy Collins. Andif you've ever watched police driver training videos
or maybe stunt doubles whipping cars aroundlike they're out of control a year going
to be interested in this driver's trainingcourse and an advanced driver training course that's
available right here in the Tri Statein Columbus. My guest today is Mark
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bloom Is, the president and CEOof Better Ohio teen Drivers dot org.
Mark. For people who like todrive like I do. This sounds like
it would be a great fun course. It is a lot of fun.
I think we're really proud of theway it's evolved over the year. Our
first program was in two thousand andsix. More than ten thousand team drivers
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have gone through the program. Ialways refer to the adults who attend with
us. It's usually the parents.Obviously, some parents will take the program
with their team driver. We alwaysrefer to them as the older teenager.
We had a gentleman referred to usby Triple A a number of years ago,
who was seventy two years old atthe time, and at the end
of the day he told me,I've been driving for more than fifty years,
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and I'm going to change everything I'vebeen doing in a car and position
on the steering will, how mymarrs are adjusted, don't pump the brakes,
I have abs. He went onand on about about taking the program.
So the entire day is about drivingphysics, and physics doesn't care how
old you are and how long you'vebeen driving. The study that Ohio Health
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did that was sponsored by Westfield InsuranceField Insurance Foundation. Yeah, tell us
what happened with this study and whatthe study shows not only immediately from learning
these techniques to long term retention.Right. We're really proud of the study
and our involvement with Ohio Health andWestfield on it, and I've been calling
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it a ground breaking study, andone of the lead researchers said that's wholly
appropriate. When we started the relationshipwith Ohio Health, they assigned two research
librarians from the Ohio Health Research Instituteto find any study anywhere in the world
at any time with this much rigorand number of participants and number of phases
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and years that the study took,and they could find nothing even close.
So this study is the study inthe world on advanced driver training for new
team drivers. They recruited almost eighthundred kids. We had an eighty percent
retention rate in the study across theyears the study took place, which is
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huge. It took place on aclosed course in a controlled environment, which
is another thing that's very important becausewe were able to deliver the training,
track the students through the training andcollect that data. And what they found
was we had the intervention group.Those are the kids who got the full
based training, the two hour classroom, the coach can feedback the multiple passes
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in each drill, and then wecompared them to a control group, and
the control group basically showed up.We told them what we wanted them to
do in the drill, but wedidn't tell them how to do it,
and we sent them into the drillfor one pass. In other words,
we were replicating that one wide eyedmoment in each drill. And you can
imagine what we saw when you comparethe two groups. So what we found
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in the study that in just thefour hours of training, the intervention kids,
the kids who got the actual training, their ability to maintain the speed
and the control in the drill nothitting any pylons that time, saying in
four hours of training went from seventyone percent to eighty four percent, So
that's a ten point plus jump.What we then had both groups do after
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their appearance at the program, wehad them come back in a three or
six month window and we asked themto do one pass of each drill.
So the intervention group kids, whatdid you retain can you still do the
drills? And then the control groupkids was what did you learn out on
your own in real world driving?And what we found there that the intervention
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group kids had an eighty six percentmastery of the drills versus sixty nine percent
for the control group kids. Wow, so that's almost a twenty point john.
So to summarize that twenty percent moreof the group that was trained how
to get out of these situations retainedit than the kids that learned it on
their own, and they may nothave even learned any of those things because
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they weren't exposed to them three orsix months, so they're just lucky.
You might have just been lucky inthat second pass exactly, and could be
honest with you, none of thissurprises me. It doesn't surprise our instructors
their staff because they see this everyday we do the program. The kids
just get it and then they startdoing it over and over and over again.
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Remember a bill to haven't developed askill. You know, this really
addresses the number one reason these newteam drivers crashed driver Air due to lack
of proper training, an experience weleave to loss of control the vehicle,
and we're trying to fix that onething. A lot of people think these
kids are crashing because of the mobiledevice. To be honest with you,
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knowing what I'm seeing and knowing whatI'm looking for, I think it's mostly
the older teenagers who are screwing aroundwith their mobile device while driving. Most
of the new drivers I see areyounger drivers. They're kind of wipe knuckled
on the steering wheel, looking outthe windshield, trying to do a good
job. It's almost always the adultdrivers who have been driving for a long
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time. Driving is so easy.I've been doing it forever. I'm an
awesome driver. I'm going to goahead and make this phone call, send
this text for order that pizza whileI'm on the way. And that's where
we're starting to get into trouble.Mark a couple of technical questions here,
I guess not technical necessarily, butlike legal, Can you get a driver's
license in Ohio without driver education?You can as an eighteen year old?
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And that's not what anybody wants,right, Nobody wants that. I don't
think that's a good idea. Remembermy kids on their temporary permit. We're
pretty awesome drivers at fifteen and ahalf, but that's how they were trained.
So you're talking about adding your courseof driver training on top of driver
education, isn't that correct? Absolutely? That has always been our long term
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goal now that the study's out.Personally, that's my only goal, focus
and passion right now is to getthis added two Driver ED, not to
replace driver ED. Driver head stillhas an important role, but we need
to address the number one reason thesenew team drivers crash. You would be
amazed how many parents don't know thatcar crashes are the leading cause of death
for American teenagers sixteen to twenty yearsold. It's been that way for decades,
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and driver Head's been doing with drivered for decades. We need to
try something different, and we needto look at why the kids are crashing
and fix it or try to addressit in the best way possible. And
now that the studies out there,we think we're on the right track.
Your program is one day, isthat correct? That's correct. It's about
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six hours if you include lunch,and most of that time is spent in
the drills behind the wheel, multiplepasses, build a habit, develop a
skill. It sounds pretty easy toactually commit to at this point. You
know, it's one day. It'son top of everything that I've learned before.
It can't hurt by any stretch ofthe imagination, and certainly can save
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your life and others. I can'timagine this wouldn't work for just about anybody.
Yeah, this training, it's allabout driving physics. Physics doesn't know
what it's pushing on. Physics doesn'tcare. We can all learn, we
can all continue to learn. Weshould all continue to learn. One of
the things we use in the classroomis something called the Lake Wobegon effect.
When you think you're better at somethingthan everyone else, or you won't recognize
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your lack of skill or ability.And that's regarding the older teenagers who've been
driving for so long that's around withtheir mole device. I'm a great driver,
I know how to do this.I've been doing it so long.
I'm going to go ahead and makethis phone call. So in our program,
we teach one hundred percent of zerotolerance with regarding the mole device for
anyone and everyone. It's not worththe risk to yourself or someone else.
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The average teenager in soccer, youknow, from Kawana's league all the way
up through college, they get morethan fifteen hundred hours of practice. And
here we are letting kids loose onthe road with twenty four hours of class
from me eight hours behind the wheelwith a license instructor. Now, compare
being in an automobile to playing soccerwhich one puts your life at risk the
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most? And I think we alsowould agree on the answer to that.
So things are a little upside down, but we're trying to fix it.
Mark, how do we get ahold of your program in Columbus And can
you give us any more details thatyou want us to know about that program?
Sure? And thank you You canget to us at better Ohio teen
Drivers dot org. That's our website, Better Ohio teen Drivers dot org.
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We're also on Facebook. The studyis on the website and fund number six
one four two seven three three sixfour nine, But again it's better Ohio
teen Drivers dot org. How oftenare the classes and what's the typical experience?
Is it a weekend? Is itweekdays? Is it nights? Right,
a great partnership with Roadmaster. Theydo CDL training Monday through Friday eight
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to five, and we literally havethe run into place on the weekend,
which is our ideal days, right, so Saturday and Sunday. Typically we're
running three to four programs a month. Maximum enrollment is eighteen students in a
class. Do you need your attemptsin order to sign up for yours or
do you have to be licensed alreadyor is there no requirement at this point
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because you're not on the main roadway. Yeah. Our minimum licensing requirement as
a temper permit, plus that newdrivers should have been in the car with
their parents probably ten to fifteen hours. In other words, that the parents
are reasonably comfortable riding with that studenton the road, they'll probably be fine
in the program. The program isintimidating by design. We want kids to
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start taking their driving much more seriously, so they really have to apply themselves.
And like I said, each passof every drill is a wide eyed
moment. We're throwing a lot atthem. And I tell the kids at
the end of lunch, when we'redoing a review classroom review and we're ready
to get out to the drills,we introduce the instructors and I tell them
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their job for the rest of theday is to screw you up, to
throw as much stuff at you aswe can and make them work for it.
They really have to apply themselves totheir driving. You know, there's
a lot involved with taking the program, but it's well worth it. Mark,
that sounds fantastic. Thank you fordoing what you do. I really
appreciate you taking the time. That'sa great opera atunity that you gave us
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here. One really appreciate it.Thanks a lot. All right, that's
all the time we have here foriHeart since if you missed any of it
today, you can go to theiHeartRadio app and find it under podcasts.
Just search for iHeart Cincy. Andthanks to Mark Bloom from Better Ohio teen
drivers dot org check out his advancedtraining courses for drivers till next week.
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Have you ever wondered what life might be like if you stopped worrying about being wanted, and focused on understanding what you actually want? That was the question Hope Woodard asked herself after a string of situationships inspired her to take a break from sex and dating. She went "boysober," a personal concept that sparked a global movement among women looking to prioritize themselves over men. Now, Hope is looking to expand the ways we explore our relationship to relationships. Taking a bold, unfiltered look into modern love, romance, and self-discovery, Boysober will dive into messy stories about dating, sex, love, friendship, and breaking generational patterns—all with humor, vulnerability, and a fresh perspective.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com