Pop-up gardens; Protecting plants from the freeze; Finding gooseberries

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Good morning, everybody. Welcome back. I'm Ron Wilson, and you
are in the garden here on news radio six '
ten WTVN. Our numbers a two to one WTVN or
eight hundred and sixty ten WTVN talking about yardening. I
can't believe it's talking about Melinda there. Can you believe this?
Three weeks? Three weeks until Groundhog Day February second, Then

(00:21):
it's on a Sunday. And of course you've heard me
talk about it before. Obviously we can go to Marion,
Ohio and see Buckeye Chuck and the certain They they do
a fun job there. But sometime, if you've never done
it before, put punks to Tony, Pennsylvania on your bucket
list and do that. I bring that up every year

(00:43):
because I really we had a great time with another
couple and we just had an outstanding time. We actually
went got there the night before, the day before Groundhog Day,
and I believe it was the same thing. I think, Wow,
I think it was on a It was on a
maybe been on a Monday, because we did watch the
super Bowl at the Bed and Breakfast we were at,

(01:04):
but anyway, stayed at bed and Breakfast the day before.
They have all kinds of activities going on in Punk Satoni,
and they have all kinds of historical things and games,
and they have Bruce Special brews and the bars, and
I mean, it's just it's a very good time. And
if the schools are open, they close the schools for
the day and punks to Tony just it's Groundhog Day

(01:28):
and they you know, they have celebrations and all kinds
of things going on anyway, and it's a lot of fun.
Not at all like the movie Groundhog Day, very very different,
but it's just it's a good time. And it kind
of goes on into the evening. And then at four
o'clock on Groundhog Day morning, a group of people, all

(01:51):
these people gather in Punk Satni and they walk to
Gobbler's Knob. And Gobbler's Knob is like a mile or
a mile and a half away from downtown, so it's
a pretty good walk up this hill and out of
little Country Road. And they go there and they open
the gates and obviously had big bonfires and the party
and and the singing and all the music and the

(02:13):
stump and Punk Satoni Phil and the whole ceremony and
by seven point thirty five it's pretty much over, and
by eight o'clock everybody is pretty much left. And then
walking back down to punks Atoni where you finish out
the morning and the you know and doing whatever, and
then you head on back home. And from Columbus, I
think it took took us a little over three hours

(02:35):
to get there. It was an easy, easy trip and
we just had a great time. And again the bed
and breakfast was in a whole nine yards of three.
We made it a two night event, two days, two nights, uh,
and it just it worked out great. So it was
a lot of fun. And as a matter of fact,
there was it was cold when we went and there
was probably about a foot and a half of snow

(02:56):
on the ground there, but everything was cleared out. It
was a very drivable the whole nine yards. Just had
a great time. So, you know, if you look for
something really different to do in the middle of the winter,
put Punks to Tony, Pennsylvania Groundhog Day on your bucket
list and check it out. It is a lot of fun.
Don't want to go that far, then we'll drive to Mary,

(03:18):
Ohio and we'll do buckeye chuck. But it is a
lot of fun. But that's three weeks from this weekend,
and of course right after that then comes Valentine's Day,
and then right at Valentine's Day the Home and Garden Show,
and then the next thing you know, you're at the
first of March and everything starts to happen again. So
spring is right around the corner. You know. Again we're

(03:40):
talking about the gardening catalogs, the seed catalogs. You know,
try to start to put your plans together, and again,
you know, get those as quick as you can. The
website again, if you are interested in getting these is
just is very simple. The Old Farmer's Almanac put together
a link for all of us to make it easy.

(04:01):
They've got over forty free garden seed catalogs and online
plant sources at this one link. And you can go
there and actually link onto their websites all the individuals,
or you can call, or you can order your free
catalog but I'd get on it right away. But it's
very simple. It's Almanac dot com, simply Almanac dot com

(04:27):
forward slash content forward slash garden seed catalogs. But you
don't have to put all that in there. If you
just go to Almanac dot com you will find the
free garden seed catalogs and plant catalog link. And like
I say, there's over forty and most of the ones
I had printed it out, I have it air in
my hands. Most of the ones that are in here
are all the ones that Melinda was talking about, some

(04:50):
of her favorites as well as my favorites as well.
So again, check it out. But it's a very easy,
easy way to have most all of the garden catalog
that you could ever want on one source. But it's
Almanac dot com. And if you do go there again,
if you're growing onions or you've never grown onions or

(05:11):
shallots before, get the Dixondale Farms catalog Dixondale Farms and
you know, we've had Bruce Dixon on our show many
times who owns it the farm that they're out in
Texas and they supply onion sets and onion plants all
around the world, and they have they have a it's

(05:32):
a great reference book, and of course it tells all
the varieties that's best for a long day varieties, short
day varieties, but obviously for us the Northern States Midwest
and Northern States would be the long day varieties. They
have all those for you. They ship what it's time
for planting. It got all kinds of great to planting information,

(05:52):
the whole nine yards. But it's Dixondale Farms. And if
you've grown onions and haven't had good success or you
want to try it and you're looking for a good reference,
this catalog is just a darn good reference in itself.
And their website has all kinds of recipes and all
kinds of things for you to take a look at

(06:12):
as well. The other one I like to go to,
and again I highly encourage you to go to your
locally owned independent garden centers, you know, go see Straighters
in Oakland and Wilson's and Dill's, you know, and Darby
Creek and all the all the great garden centers that
we have around the Columbus area. Straighters, get out and

(06:33):
see them. Visit them. If you go through these catalogs
and you find seed packs something that you like that
you'd never seen before, if you see fruits and berries
in these catalogs that you've never seen before, something like that,
go visit them first and find out if they might
be selling these a lot of times. If these are
mail order, which they are, they're a little bit smaller plants,

(06:57):
and the price by the time you get them shipped
to you can be early expensive, whereas if you buy
them at the locally owned independent garden centers, the price
is usually a much larger plant. Plus it's locally purchased
and of course locally guaranteed in the whole nine yards,
so you know, always check with them first. And sometimes
if you find something and they don't sell it, there's

(07:18):
a reason doesn't grow good in our area, so they'll
let you know, but check with them first. But if
you if you can't find fruit trees, and I'm talking
all the different types of fruit trees, including nut trees,
and sometimes the selections can be very limiting in a
lot of the garden centers if there's something specific that
you're looking for you can't find. I still think Starks

(07:40):
does one of the better jobs when mail order. They've
been doing this forever and this year they have an
entire list. And if you're getting into this, more and
more and folks are of airloom fruit trees, so they
have fruit trees that are heirlooms from way back, and
it tells the history behind each one of these. Of course,
it tells the zones that they grow in and how

(08:01):
they grow, et cetera, et cetera. But I thought that
was interesting that they've focused on heirloom fruit trees in
their selections as well. Stark Brothers dot Com is very simple,
but a great selection of nut trees as well. I
always and again talking to the fruits and berries, I
still if you have to go mail order again and
you can't find it at your locally owned independent garden center.

(08:24):
Indiana Berry and Plant Company out of Indiana, obviously, Indiana
Berry dot com is an excellent source for small fruits
and berries and they do a great job, great plants,
great shipping, and their catalog is a tremendous source of
information on growing, pruning, et cetera, et cetera, all the

(08:46):
fruits and small fruits and berries that they sell. And again,
if you even if you don't order it, I kid
with them sometimes, I say, you know, I tell all
our listeners, even if you're not going to order from you, guys,
get the catalog because it's great at great information. Indiana
bearrym Indianaberry dot com but there's so many grand Johnny Seeds,
Burpie seeds. I always get that when Johnny Seeds again

(09:08):
Johnny selected seeds for a reference book. Again great information
about anything you could ever imagine. As matter of fact,
I think in Johnny Seeds this year they have a
true black pie pumpkin, small miniature pumpkin, pie pumpkin size.
It's been you know, all these unique pumpkins that they

(09:30):
have out there. Now, this is a true black. Even
the stem matures into a greenish black, but I mean
it's a true black. And it's called black Bear. And
if you're looking for something a little bit different, if
you grow the commercially, or you're grow them just for
yourself for decorations in the fall, look at Johnny Seeds.

(09:50):
It's called black Bear. That is a pretty cool pumpkin,
especially for the Halloween fall season, with that true black color.
But again, so many great catalogs out there, lots of
great inspiration. Some of them are very good reference material
as well. And if you don't know where to go
to find all those, just go to Almanac dot com

(10:13):
and all the links are right there for you. Eight
two to one WTVN eight hundred and six to ten WTVN.
Phone lines are open for you here on news Radio
six y ten WTVN. Isn't this the downy commercial theme song?
Kind of ruined it for me? There been a lot
of commercials, I know, talking talking yarding here on news

(10:37):
radio six ' ten WTVN, and you know Melynn and
I were also talking about the new indoor lighting grow
lights that they have out there. Going on this week
in Las Vegas is the Consumer Electronics Show and I
got some pictures back of I guess LG has gotten

(10:58):
into the indoor indoor grow light business rightfully, so using
LED lights obviously, and they have two prototypes there. I
don't know if they're available yet. I haven't gone online
to see if they're available yet, but they are two.
One is a floor lamp, which is very contemporary looking.

(11:21):
The floor lamp has a grow like around. It's got
a nice white base and then right in the middle
it's got a container around the same size as their
diabn as the base for growing in. And then the
lamp on the top is the grow light as well
as a floor lamp, so when you turn it on,
not only is it light up the area, but it

(11:42):
also is a grow light to grow plants in that
planter right below it, and it looks again, it looks
like a cool piece of a contemporary furniture floor lamp
with plants growing around the outside of it a tray.
And then they have a matching arm height table three legs.

(12:03):
That's a planter with the grow lights sticking up over
top of it as well, so they kind of go together.
But a very contemporary looking but I mean again, it's
furniture and you can grow now they have like I
think they have like marigolds or something growing in these
because of the color. But it'll be very easy for
you to grow, you know, anything flowering indoor flowering miniature roses,

(12:25):
whatever it may be, or growing fresh herbs or whatever
at your fingertips in these New Canadians. This is just
this is just you know, the tip of the iceberg,
I think when it comes to these these indoor gardens,
because once this starts and these are really cool looking,
it just goes on. As a matter of fact, if
you go we were talking about catalogs Gardeners Supply and

(12:49):
I think it's gardeners dot com. It's their website, but
Gardener's Supply catalog it's a great source for things you
typically don't find it you're locally owned independent garden center
for gardening something as they do, but a lot of
things you don't. But again there indoor grow lamps, tables,
grow systems, all that to grow micro greens and that

(13:09):
it are absolutely phenomenal and again very attractive. We bought
and my wife, this is Wilson. All of a sudden,
over the last year or so, I started to take
an interest in indoor plants, and all of a sudden
we started collecting a few plants here and there, and
I said, you know, if you're really interested in doing this,

(13:31):
why don't we get a grow stand to go in
front of our window. Which we did, and what she's
doing all kinds of great stuff in there, and she's
got all kinds of house plants, and now we're into propagating.
I noticed where she's got the little test tubes and
it's pretty cool to watch because I like to look
at it and you can see the roots and stuff growing.
So now she's into that too. So there you go.

(13:52):
She's into it. And it faces a kind of a
bright east window, so we get a lot of morning
sun up till about new and then grow lights and
indirect like the rest of the day and doing a
great job. And it looks nice too in our living room.
So there you go. But anyway, it's up and coming.
This isn't going away, and this new stuff that's coming along,

(14:13):
like with LG is absolutely gorgeous. Now, speaking of Las
Vegas last year, twenty twenty four and maybe the winner
of twenty maybe at the end of twenty twenty three,
but definitely through twenty twenty four winter spring and then
early in the fall. We talked about a freestanding garden

(14:35):
that I totally love the concept, the way it's built,
the way you can take it apart, the way it works,
and it only takes up at twenty four by twenty
four square inch area and it's like forty inches tall,
and you can grow all kinds of things in these
shelves and the pot on top. We've had the folks
on that developed this out of Louisiana called the pop

(14:58):
up garden, remembers talking about and some of you probably
bought them. I have one. I know a couple of
friends of mine have bought them, and I just absolutely
loved them. But it's called the pop up garden. Their
website is my pop Up My pop Upgarden dot com,
I believe. But anyway, had them on the show and
this was something that they developed in their garage and

(15:20):
did a lot of prototypes and finally started having it manufactured.
And what was interesting is when I first started talking
with these folks, the v ends Matt and Oh, I'm
just gonna shoot me because I can't think of her name. Anyway,
talking with them, I said, you know, this is an
interesting thing because they're doing the production and small production
there in their town whatever, shipping them out themselves. I said,

(15:43):
you know, this would be something would be cool to
get you on Shark Tank and try to promote this
to the folks at Shark Tank to see if you
get somebody to back you up on this one, because
I think this is one of the best vertical gardens
planters that I've ever seen, patios, decks, you know, wherever
it may be. And again, everybody I know the bought one,

(16:05):
and they're not cheap, but everybody I know the bought
one really really have liked it. And you can use
it indoors outdoors. If you use it outdoors, you can
dump everything out, take it apart, put it back in
the box, and then bring it back out in the springtime.
It all comes apart. Nothing screws together. It all clicks together.
But when it does, it holds it all. I mean,
it's unbelievable way it's built, made out of recyclable plastics.

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I mean, they took this to the to the tenth
But I got a card from them this past week
in the mail, and it was a thank you card,
you know for us talking about pop up gardens on
our show, et cetera, et cetera, and wanted me to
know that they were leaving yesterday morning, flying out to

(16:50):
Las Vegas to audition for You Got It Shark Tank.
So they actually got they showed them there product. They
actually got invited to come out to Vegas and audition
for it. So they do auditions. I guess all of
the lot of the contestants go there and show what

(17:10):
they're going to do, and then they choose whether or
not they're actually going to be on the show. So
I wish them the best of luck and I will
keep you posted if they make it. But I thought
it was pretty cool because I mean we just kind
of joked about it and said you got to get,
you know, try to get on the shark tank and
try to promote this thing and get it out there
so everybody knows about it. And sure enough they did,

(17:31):
and sure enough they've gone to the preliminary stages to
see what happens. So I'll keep you posted what goes
on there. If you want to learn more about it, it's
just pop up. You can google pop up Garden or
I think the website is my pop upgarden dot com.
If I'm not mistaken, my pop up Garden I believe
is what it is. But check it out and I
hope they do well, and I highly recommend it. I

(17:53):
think it's an absolutely outstanding a vertical planner for if
you have, like somebody at a senior citizen home, assisted
living or whatever that was a gardener that still wants
to do a few things. This thing is perfect for
something like that, you got a patio you want to
grow herbs or something up closer, maybe some smaller tomatoes,
you know, things like that. Perfect got a patio up

(18:15):
our deck, patio on an apartment or whatever. Perfect even
Ella could use something like this our producer on her
front porch, and maybe we'll get her a one to
see what she can grow in at this spring. You
never know. All right, quick break, we come back as again.
Phone lines are open for you. Gotta tip you want
to share it, I want to hear from you a
two to one WTVN eight hundred and sixty ten WTVN

(18:38):
here on news radio six to ten WTVN. You know,
I get a lot of great emails throughout the week
and try to get back to you as quickly as
I can with a with an answer, and sometimes it
takes a couple of days, but this time of the
year especially, I'm usually able to get back to you
the same day, a couple of days or whatever may be.
But within the same week I got any great when

(19:00):
this past week with somebody emailed Tim and Jill said
that they had some miniature roses that they were growing
in containers out on the patio and you know, they
got to the end of the season here and then
weather cut has gotten bad. Wasn't sure what to do
with them as far as overwintering, so temporarily they put

(19:21):
them in an unheated building and wanted to know what
should they do at this stage. Well, remember, anytime you're
growing something in a container that would would naturally overwinter,
that's hardy for our zone. You need to protect it.
I mean, if it's a pretty good sized container, you know,
thirty six inches in diameter, concrete, you know, three feet deep,

(19:45):
lots of soil whatever. Sometimes you can get by without
too much protection around those because they've got quite a
bit of soil to help insulate. But it's still you know,
you don't you on the you want to err on
the precautionary side and try to prote act those as
much as you can. But things like the like the
potted perennials and potted roses and things like that. You know,

(20:06):
the unheated garage or the unheated shed or the unheated
building works perfect. And all we're trying to do is
protect them from extreme sub you know, freezing temperatures that
would last for a long time that could cause root
damages and top damages too, but root damages by freeze drying. Okay.

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So we put them inside these unheated garages or unheated sheds,
or sometimes down in the window well or cold frame
if you vent it, and the goal is to protect
them from the extreme cold, but to also keep them
dormant during the winter, so we don't want them to
warm up. We by no means do we want them
to start growing again, So we need to keep them

(20:48):
as cold as possible. Sometimes in the unheated garages. You know,
we've been talking about this for years and years and years,
twenty thirty years. But today the unheated garages, new garages
with new garage and all are so well insulated. So
many times you get days that are forty to fifty
degrees outside the inside of those garages become fifty sixty

(21:11):
degrees And if it stays like that for several days,
the next thing, you know, whatever plants you have in
there that you're trying to overwinter and keep dormant experience
the warmer temperatures and start to butt out and they
start to grow, thinking it's the spring season. Had it happen?
And I've had this happen lots and lots of times
with somebody will email me or a call and say,

(21:32):
you know, we had these in the garage, weren't paying
any attention. Now all of a sudden, I'm seeing the
buds swell up and they're starting to open up. What
do we do, well, you can't put them back outside
because it's usually too cold, too early to put them
back out. So you've got to be cautious when we're
doing this. Twofold one is you want to make sure
you water about every three or four weeks to keep moisture,

(21:54):
even moisture in that soil all right. We don't want
them to totally dry out. And second, we've got to
watch those those temperatures that they don't warm up too
much for too long of a period of time. We
won't want them to butt out. And a lot of
times that really starts to happen when we get into March.
Usually not too much in February, stays cool enough, nighttime

(22:14):
cools back down, we're good to go. But we get
into March. Sometimes you get some extended periods of warmer
temperatures and next thing you know, they're buttting out. So
you may have to actually, you know, watching the weather,
pull those things out of the unheated garage or the
unheated building or the unheated shed and put them outside
so they come back to life like they normally would

(22:36):
had they been planted outside, like the other ones outside
would normally come back to life. And you may have
to pull those around on a protected area for a while,
maybe put some leaves around the pots or whatever, excuse me,
to protect them from any sudden drops in cold temperature.
But otherwise you may need to move them out early
to make sure that they don't start to regrow. Very

(22:59):
very important, keep that in mind. But that's a great
way to overwinter uneeded garages, unheated sheds, unheated buildings watered
about every three to four weeks, and then make sure
you bring them out early enough that they don't start
to regrow when they're inside those buildings. To the gardening
phone lines, we shall go gem Good morning, Good morning, yes, sir.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
When I was a kid, my parents had a place
in southern Ohio and I had a lot of wild berries,
and my mother had make cobbler and called it gooseberry cobbler.
And I have never seen or heard of gooseberry since.
Are they under another name?

Speaker 1 (23:38):
No, As a matter of fact, gooseberries are out there.
As a matter of fact, I have with me my
Indiana berry, the new one that I got for Indiana berries,
and I believe on the cover here, if I'm not mistaken,
has gooseberries, and they do sell several varieties, so it
is available for you. They're easy to grow basically just
six hours of sunlight or more. But they have as

(24:01):
I'm looking right here, Yep, they have uh two varieties
of gooseberries that are available for you. So they are
available through. You don't see them much in the garden centers.
That's why I say sometimes mail order is the only
way you can find them. Uh. But Indiana Berry does
sell them.

Speaker 3 (24:17):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
And like I say, it's it's pretty darn easy to grow.
Their website is indianaberry dot com and they'll tell you
all about it there and it's a you know, they're
readily available for you, uh to plan out and again jams, jellies,
juice wine, the whole nine yards and again pretty easy
to grow.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
I know they grew wild down there. Yeah and uh uh,
I just never seen him growing around here. Yeah, well
a wild berry like blackberries.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
Yeah, you don't, you know, you don't you don't you
don't see him growing. I don't think wild as much
as you used to. We still see blackberries out there,
but we don't see gooseberries quite as much wild as
we do at one time. But it is coming back
into the to the cultivated gardens and being grown a
lot a lot more same way with the currents coming

(25:10):
back in. That's something that you know, we used to
grow many many years ago and now we're seeing a
lot of it. But there is a good source if
you're looking for them, indianaberry dot com.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
Okay, I'll check it out. Thank you, all.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
Righty, good talking with you. And it's again that's one
of those situations. You might not find that in the
local garden centers, but they do a good job with
it there. And uh yeah, gooseberries are really really easy
to grow. All right, quick break, we come back again.
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you'd like to share, a question, Love to talk to you.
Another email I got, which I thought was pretty interesting
from gem listeners to the show on a regular basis,
said a couple of weeks ago, I think this when

(26:01):
we were talking to Barbie Bletcher, we were talking about
the what we're called at one time that the Asian
murder hornets out in Washington state of Washington, which was
a you know, non native, uh, because one of those
things that they had to eradicate. You just don't mess
around with it because it basically they wipe out honeybee

(26:22):
hives and not good news. As a matter of fact,
we were talking about it here in the state of
Ohio with Buggy Joe Boggs and letting folks know about it,
just so you can keep an eye open for it,
just to make sure. And one of the things that
came up were I think I had mentioned with talking
with Barbie that you know, we're talking about the cicada

(26:43):
killer wasps and how big they are and these of
course these uh, what were eventually called I think the
northern Northern giant hornets, if I'm not mistaken, is that
the cicada killer wasps really aren't hornets, but they're they're
in a walk but nevertheless, I'm not even close to
the same size and not as not at all aggressive

(27:06):
and do the damages that these these do. And and
the point was is that they've been eradicated in Washington State.
They've declared that they have been totally eradicated. They find
no more, and which is a great thing. But you
always keep your eyes open. You never know. But his
point was, he said, you know, for some reason, this year,
I had hundreds of the cicada killer I called him hornets,

(27:29):
but cicada killer wasps. I wanted to know if it
had anything to do with with the ones correlation with
the ones out in Washington State. No, has nothing to
do with that. As a matter of fact, these cicadia,
like we said earlier, these cicada killer wasps are are
are basically a nuisance rather than anything else. And they

(27:49):
help you out by killing cicadas. So they prevent cicada damages,
and the populations will go up and they'll go down.
Some years you see him, some years you don't. For
some reason, he had had quite a few of them
in his yard and said he spent hours trying to
get rid of these stupid things. Try especially trying to
do it without using pesticides. So they smashed them when

(28:10):
they're coming out of their tunnels in the morning. Then
eventually they just seem to disappear, which they do. They're
you know, kind of a one in and out and
then they're finished and they overwinter and come back out
next year. Any thoughts and what to do with these, Well,
the thing of it is is remembers they are basically
a nuisance pest rather than anything else their predator. They
males can't sting you. The females can, but they don't

(28:35):
want to. Matter of fact, they could care less about you.
If you get in their area where there's a bunch
of them, they will fly around and you know, try
to scare you away, just like carpenter bees will. But
for the most part, unless you would provoke a female
like pick her up or smash her or something like that,
typically won't sting you. They stay away from you. And

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I've always shared the story about going to the brickyard
four hundred and going somebody's yard. We parked there and
a whole bunch of cars and had very sandy soil.
They had them all over the place, and I had
to explain to everybody what they were, and everybody just
ignored them and they were fine. But again, it is
a nuisance. Sometimes you get them in your yard where

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they the lawn thinned out a little bit, they'll get
in there, thickening up the lawn. They will not go
where the lawn is thick, so the females won't burrow
down in those areas. They typically like loose soils. They
like the edge of a landscape bed, especially where the
sun hits it, so you see them a lot of
times right on the edge of the landscape bits and
they burrow back in. That's where they lay the eggs.

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Bring the cicada in. They'll bring a live cicada in,
paralyze it, stick it down in there, and the larvae
actually feed on that live cicada as their food, which
is kind of a cool thing. But anyway to get
rid of them without using pesticides. Some folks have gone
out and just rake the soil early in the morn,

(30:00):
warning where their nests are, where they've got those burrows,
and just kind of rake it and cover those in.
A lot of times the females get very confused, aren't
sure where they are what happened, and will go away.
Sometimes that works. Sometimes setting up a sprinkler in the
area and really soaking it down well and keeping it
wet for several days will work, because they do not

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like the wet soils, so you might want to try
that one knocking them down with a tennis racket or
a handball racket. That does work, and I think that's
what this gentleman had done as well. Aerosols excuse me,
aerosol sprays are effective for adults, you know, the kill
hot horn and wasp praise. They do work, there's no
doubt about it. And are dusting the area with a

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pesticide works quite nicely as well, But again try not
to do that if you don't have to. Remember they're
just a nuisance. They're a predator. If they're going after cicadas,
that's all they want to do. They go scare the
heck out of you. There's no doubt about it. But
if the numbers are high enough that you're a nuisance,
there are some ways to try to get rid of
them without using pesticides. But the sprays are very effective,

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and the dusts, and that's one case one time where
you may suggest the dusts are very effective to sprinkling
in those areas. Obviously they carry it into the nest
and get it on them as well. A two to
one WTV and is our number.

Speaker 3 (31:22):
Dave, Good morning, Good morning, doctor Wilson.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
How are you, sir?

Speaker 3 (31:27):
I want you to promise me that the Sheriff's department
is not going to show up on my front porch
asking me what all those grow lamps are doing in
my place.

Speaker 1 (31:37):
Well, you know it's it's kind of legal to do
that now.

Speaker 3 (31:41):
So well me, well on a few things. But if
I have a lot of grow lamps, they're still going
to ask.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
They might stop and ask. You're right, so especially if
you've got foil up on the windows.

Speaker 3 (31:56):
Okay, that's good enough. Tell them.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
So yeah, tell them, I tell them. I said it
was okay, all right, Dave, good talking to you. Any Yeah,
you know what, You're right. You know all these grow
lights coming in. You know, it used to be the
only person that had to grow lights was well, somebody
like me had a shop light in there there was
growing some lettuce or greens or whatever. Uh or maybe
you had African violets or something like that. Uh, it

(32:21):
was usually the shop lights. But yeah, I have all
those extra grow lights in there. And I'll tell you
what for the folks that do grow that. You know
what we're talking about at home. Now that you're able
to do that, some of the growth facilities, the lighting
and the hydroponic systems that are out there today are
absolutely phenomenal. I mean, they're computerized do everything for you.

(32:46):
Makes it pretty darn easy, not that I'm doing it,
but it makes it pretty darn easy for those that
are del Mar Good morning, Thank you, sir.

Speaker 4 (33:01):
Neighbors planted a bunch of trees on the west side
and they've grown up. Now I've got clots in my
garden that are shaded. What's the best I grow about everything?
What's the best thing to put in the shaded area?
They shaded? You know about four o'clock it starts shading.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
Oh well, that's you know, that's if you think about that.
We we count actual sun hours. You know, you got
to give it time to come up. And by nine
thirty or ten, now we're starting to get some direct suns.
So if from ten to four that gives you at
least four hours, maybe five I have I have pulled
off some thin tomatoes in a situation like that. Uh

(33:43):
so that's a possibility. But greens and root crops are
the best in those shadier areas. Herbs, most of the herbs,
if you get four to five hours of sunlight, will
do fairly well. Sometimes the oils don't build up quite
as much, mean be quite as flavorful, but they do
fairly well. But most of the leafy greens will do

(34:05):
quite well in four hours, because again you've got a
couple hours early in the morning that does give you
a little bit there and then filtered the rest of
the day. But root crops absolutely and greens are your
best two shots in a situation where it's around four
hours or so. I've got and I tell you del mare,
I've got a patio that gets that it gets sunned

(34:27):
from about ten o'clock to about two o'clock, and you
know that's about a four hour sometimes five hour window.
And I have pulled off some tomatoes in there. But greens,
leafy greens do a great job. So four to five hours,
absolutely six hours, you still get some tomatoes that I
don't think it do well with peppers, but I think

(34:48):
with tomatoes you might pull a few off there. You know,
I keep them open so you get plenty of sunlight
in there. But greens and root crops absolutely sound like potatoes.

Speaker 4 (34:56):
Onions and broccoli beat up pretty good.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
Then that you got that would work well cilantro. You know,
if you have a hard time growing cilantro because it
bolts so early in the season. That'll do really well
in a situation like that, because it stays a little cooler,
you'll give it just enough sun to grow and it
won't bolt quite as early as it normally would.

Speaker 4 (35:17):
Great, thank you very much.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
You're welcome and good luck with that one. And again,
we can do gardening in as semi shady areas for
the most part. If it's a fruiting plant, tomatoes, peppers, beans, whatever.
If it's a fruiting plant like that, it's typically as
much sun as possible. Obviously six hours, eight hours if
you can give it, that is really good, but as

(35:40):
much sun as possible. But the root crops and the
leafy greens typically actually like the cooler afternoon, and we'll
tolerate a little less direct sunlight. And again we typically
count I do anyway nine thirty ten o'clock because it
takes about then for that sun to get up and
really start to bear down to give you good intensity
of the sun. So it's a nine thirty ten before

(36:02):
you really start counting that clock. But again, four hours,
say if you said four o'clock, that'd be six hours. No,
that's not too bad. At all. I think you could
pull off a a few tomatoes here and there as well.
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