Roses are making a comeback, but do you have rose slugs?

Episode Transcript

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Good morning, everybody. Welcome.I'm Ron Wilson, and you are in
the garden here on news radio six' ten WTVN eight to two to one
wtv IN is our number, jumpon board talking about yardening, and of
course we are now cruising into themonth of June, which can be a
crazy, crazy month in the yardand gardens. So many things happening.
We're going from the spring season nowinto the summer season. The rainfall starts

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to change, the temperature start tochange. Newly planted trees and shrubs and
perennials and annuals start to change theones planted last year. It can be
a very trying time. But youknow who really enjoys the month of June
probably one of his most favorite monthsof the entire year, because there's so
many diseases and bugs and things kickingon. Coick it out right now that

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that he can't stand it. He'sin a whirlwind right now. His mind
is just spinning. That's right,that would be Buggy Joe Boggs. Eh,
wait a minute, what are youlaughing for? Professor? Anyway,
he's from Ohio State University Extension andhe is here. This where the website
byg L dotsu dot eut. Yourhead has to be spinning right now.

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It's amazing. There is so muchhappening. It's all happening at once,
you know. I do want tostart off by though, as you said,
you know, this is a timewhen things are changing, and you
know we're a bit dry. Yes, you imagine that. It's you know,
we've had such you know, oftenon rainfall and sprits of rainfall,

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and you know you'd think, well, we're in good shape, but we
do need to be careful because someof those rain events have been very spotty.
I mean around Columbus you have someareas that you know that aren't too
bad of shape, you know,with other areas not far away that well,
it's getting to be, you know, a concern if you've planted,

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you know, new trees and shrubsor even older trees and shrubs. We
just need to be aware that thatwe could need to do a little watering
right. Yes, yes, indeedI didn't mean to get started. I
mean you prompted me to do thatbecause you said, yes, things are
changing, but you need to becareful though, if you're watering certain plants

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to not get the water on theleaves. But what happens, what happens
if it rains, well, youcan't we can't do much about that.
But if you're doing supplemental watering,you know, this is the time of
year where we start really saying,okay, let's let's you know, let's
try to keep it off the leaves. Let's try to allow those leaves to

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dry out. You know, peoplehave planted their tomatoes, and that's a
good example because you you know,a number of the diseases that show up
later do well the fungi that arebehind these diseases, or you know do
or sometimes bacteria do well. Youknow, whenever we have a lot of
moisture left on the leaves. Sothis is a time when it's just a

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good idea to try to direct yourwatering to the base of the plants.
Now on roses, oh my goodness, this is uh. I didn't know
where to start with roses. Toyou, I mean, this seems like
it just seems like we are reallygetting a lot of questions about why do
my shrub roses look so bad?Now, any rosarian out there will tell

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you. And of course, whenI think of roses, ron I still
harken back to hybrid te's right,the rose garden, and of course rosarians
know this very well. Hearken.No, I'll tell you I pulled dog.
So you know, when when Istarted with extension, that was,

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let's face it, that was kindof the dominant of rose. You know,
if you got a phone call oremail about roses, what were we
usually talking about hybrid teas? Right? But then along came the shrub roses,
you know, along came and there'sa lot of others, but you
know the roses that we that tookthem out of confinement of a rose garden

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to where we could put these innerlandscapes. And frankly, I've always loved
them. I mean, I reallydo. Like I mean, I think
the first you can correct me,I think the knockout roses were, you
know, kind of the first introductionto me for these shrub roses, because
you know, they grew like shrubs. You could put them around borders,

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you could put them. In mycase, I am flanking the driveway,
just the two plantings and sort ofsemi mass planting, not that many plants,
but but you know that then putthese things out in the open,
and rosarians will tell you that you'vegot to be mindful of a number of
challenges that can creep up on rosesand the shrub roses. They kind of

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remained pest and disease free for alot of years, didn't they. Yeah,
oh yeah, and then and thenJones, Yeah, well yeah,
I think I think yes. Imean, you know, the some of
the early things that happened to reallysurprise this. I remember just being very

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surprised when my shrub roses started tosee sing a little black spot. You
know, well that's an old diseasefor hybrid ease, uh fungal disease,
black spot on roses. But itsurprised us, right, we didn't think
that would happen. But of coursenature finds a way. This year,
though, we're seeing the return,as I say, of some old friends,

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one being the rose slug. Now, this is not a This isn't
a slug. It's a sawfly.And the common name, I mean,
the name that is approved by theEntomological Society of America is the slug.
I don't think it looks much likea slug, but that name is usually

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applied to sawfly larvae and salflies arein the order highmanopter, so that in
the same order as bees and waspsand ants. The fly comes from the
idea that the adults have a thickwaist. They don't have that narrow waist
like we see with wasps and andand ants. The salt comes from the

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shape of their ovipositor, which lookslike a saw. It looks like it
has salt teeth. So that's wheresalfly comes from. But the slug part
are these larvae that that cover themselvesin this slimy material, and they tend
to be a little larger to frontcompared to the back, so they kind
of do look slug like. ButI don't think the rose slug looks much

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like a slug, do you,I mean some of your the pictures that
you've got, No, they sortof don't. But that's the name.
It really does. Except that's avery important point because if it were a
caterpillar, of course, you knowthat's in lepidoptera, so moths and butterflies.
Then if you had these things,you could use the naturally occurring bacterium

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basilsterringiensis to kill them if they werecaterpillars. But BT does not work on
safflies. So that's a that's astarting place, because I know a lot
of folks, you know, wouldlike to use some you know, a
naturally occurring you know, and secticide, But BT will do nothing for saffly
larvae. And I don't you needto tell me when we want to take

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a break minute and a half.And you know one thing, it does
do a nice number on softfly larvae. That index finger in your thumb,
the digital the digital past management,the pictures you sent. I have a
bad feeling. That's that's what happened, right, No, I say them
so you can come and take apicture of them too, No, yes,

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oh great, great, I dowant to take a picture of I
did smash them, yes, ohno, Well you don't think they're still
on those leads. You don't thinkthey're still on those leaves, do you?
Well? No, I sort offigured, okay, they met their
doom, you know. I tookthem in there just like you do.
Yes, that's right. That wasthat was approaching them. But you know,

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these these these softly larvae, inthe case of the road slug,
there's only one generation. And sothe good news is that they tend to
disappear. Now you know, wesee them sometimes a little earlier and sometimes
a little later. But but whatI'm seeing what I saw in your pictures,
thankfully, and I say that verydeliberately. Thankfully, they are the

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single generation Rose slug as compared tosomething else that may come down the line
that we'll discuss after the break.Talk about Buggy Joe Boggs. You're on
news radio six WTVN. I cansee Buggy Joe right now is just swaying
back and forth. I'm just I'mjust drifting that a row Seal. What

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a great song, absolutely beautiful songthat is. I agree with you one
hundred percent. I didn't want tosay a thing because I was thinking,
oh, I don't want to wreckthis either. I mean, I almost
started singing, but then people thought, I, you know, I would
think I'm having some kind of afelling like a wall. I was going
to say, time to come backto uh. Part two of the bucket
Joe bogs Report, the man whois uh Uh. I don't know what

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I was gonna say, but Iwas going to refer to you as Fido
photo dermatitis. Oh there you go. That's by the way. I do
want to remind you when you saidsomething about the shrub rose, I made
myself a couple of notes here realquick, don't forget about the fairy rose.
Oh yeah, I don't forget aboutthe one that was the real started
to break into the shrub Roses bonica. You know that's that is still a

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very nice rose, isn't it.I mean, yeah, I'm saying some
of the older plants. But thenthe knockouts came along, and that was
the disease resistant. You know,everybody thought it was it was a no
maintenance, not no but lower maintenancerose. But it really is what brought
roses back into the landscape. Imean, roses had really started to disappear
because of the maintenance, and knockoutsbrought them back. They did. But

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of course, you know, thelonger you have a plant out there,
you know again nature finds a way. And so with what we're talking about,
for example, with you know therose slug. First of all,
you know, flip the leaf overif you see holes in the leaves.
I mean the rose slugs feed onthe underleaf surface, underside leaf surface,

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and they they sort of skeletonized.Now I got to be a little careful
as we say skeletonized. That meansthey don't eat the veins, but actually
they do. What they leave though, is the upper epidermis intact. So
this creates kind of what I callwhat we call window pain effect. It
looks like you're looking through a windowpane, and of course that eventually out

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and then you have a hole.Now what I'm seeing a lot of is
our holes. Some window panes left. But but all the leaves I looked
at on Wednesday, I couldn't finda single rose slug larvae. Yours,
you know, yours were the firstthat I've seen, and of course other
people are sending pictures. The pointbeing is it's not that that they you

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know, they didn't exist or whatever. I mean, what's happening is with
a single generation, they're going tobe gone soon. But all the eggs
didn't hatch at once, so youknow, we start seeing the damage a
little earlier. Then it moves throughuntil they mature and finally they pew pay
and disappear for the season and don'tappear till next year. But during this

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time, of course, we're startingto see, like I say, the
damage, and it can be Imean again, I'm about to do a
posting a big alert posting and andyou can see some of the leaves.
I mean, they're they're very heavilydamaged. But if you look at the
same plants, the other thing thatwe're that we're picking up is something kind
of new. And I posted analert about cedar quince rust on calorie pairs,

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which is, you know, cedarquince rust. Were kind of used
to it because those rust diseases alternateback and forth between not cedars that's given
that's the name from eastern red cedar, which is actually juniper, so they
alternate between junipers and members of therose family. But what I'm talking about
is a rust that doesn't alternate.It stays on members of the rose family,

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and it's just called rose rust.And I've never seen this amount of
rose rust on you know, shrubroses. I'm also I got a few
shots that were on hybrid tes sentto me, which the rosarian was kind
of surprised, and so was I, because that's a disease that's always been

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kind of an oddity, hasn't it, right? Yeah? Absolutely, Oh,
I mean I would stop and takea picture every time, you know,
it was, oh my gosh,look at that, and it does
occur on native roses. In fact, the meadow rose one of my favorite
native roses. A few years ago, that's where I got all my rust
pictures on roses. It was like, wow, I just never I mean,

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it's it's out there. It's beenin the literature for a long time.
But yeah, it's very uncommon thisyear though, my goodness, almost
every shrub rose I looked at onWednesday had some of it, including my
own roses out in from the house. Now, what what you'll see is
in the upper leaf surface, Sothe same idea behind looking for the rose

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slugs. The upper leaf surface willkind of see some some spots. They
can be yellow, they can bekind of an orange yellow. That's what
they eventually become. The leaves maystart curling. If you flip them over,
though, you'll see these very distinctrust pustules. You'll see these areas

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that are orange, and of coursethat is the calling card of a rust.
In this case, rose rusts Now, it's too late to really do
anything about it, but one thingthat you can do is to make sure.
As with black spot, as witha number of other rose diseases,
the pathogen tends to stay with thosethat you know, the tissue it's already

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damaged. So just get rid ofthose infected leaves, you know, use
a leaf blower or something to blowthem away, gather them up, get
rid of them. And particularly atthe end of the season, you know,
fung just sides. I have tosay on these rust diseases, well,
they can that can be a problembecause you have to just keep spraying

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basically as long as you have newleaves coming on, which with roses kind
of go throughout the season, right, I mean, they just continue to
flush new leaves. So I thinkthat we've had environmental conditions this spring that
we're just highly conducive to infections andand so we're seeing it fairly widespread.

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Is this going to be, youknow, something that we're gonna have to
deal with in the future. Wedon't know. But I have to say
this really came as a shock becauseI'm just I'm seeing it all over.
I'm not saying don't plant roses.I hope nobody's hearing that, because we
don't have any plants that are diseasedand insect free pretty much, right,
But but it is important though.Coffee tree, Well, there you go.

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That's right, you know, andand a few other things, ginko,
if everybody wants to gink weeping catsorroor catsorrow trees in general, but
we do have, you know,all of our most common landscape plants have
a few problems. And of course, you know, the minute you say,

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and I've always think about this withthe shrub roses, the minute we
declare that they were diseased and insectfree, we doomed them, didn't we.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.But I tell you what, there
are some great ones out there today, and you know, and all that
including and again the knockouts started atall, but there are so many great
series out there today that are reallylow main If they're not no maintenance,
they're low maintenance. They're self deadheading for the most part, and you

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know, pretty much disease resistant.But you can set them up to get
leaf diseases like you know, evena hoop house or a greenhouse if you
want, you can, but forthe most part, not requiring the spray
and all of the things that youwould need to do with back in the
old days, with keeping those te'sand floor bundans and random floors you know,

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pristine. I still remember going tosome rosarians and they probably still do
this. Every corner of their rosebeds would have a ready to use sprayer,
fung your side, and secticide.You know, it's all the time
to keep those protected. And andyou know, in terms of the future,
next year, we may not seeany of this. I mean,
that's that's diseases have that again,that connection to the environment. There has

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to be you know, there haveto be just certain conditions that line up
for these diseases to develop like theyare this year. And as I said,
we may not see this next year. I have seen some rust on
treub roses in the past, neveramounted anything. I just think this year
in particular, just the environment wasjust perfect for a perfect storm. And

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I guess what I'm trying to counselis, well, let's not get too
carried away, don't rip them out, don't think that they're a bad plant.
But it is important, though toto figure out what's happening. You
know, at least know what's happening, even if we can't do a lot
about it. It means though thatwe may not, you know, try
to do something that doesn't have anyimpact at all. And I think little

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thing you brought up, Joe,And it's true with roses in general.
I always think at the end ofthe season, you pick you know,
you pick up all the foliage.You get off to it and you clean
everything out, and you get offto a clean start in the fall,
and in the springtime you pru themand clean them up, and you start
out fresh and clean. And ifyou've collected up through the season those rusts

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covered leaves and you throwing those awayand you clean them up in the fall,
you at least pretty much get offto a clean start in the springtime.
You can do a lot exactly justjust we call that sanitation management,
and so yes, you can justdo a lot that way. I suspect
though, later in the season that'sgoing to be very interesting to watch.
I'm going to revisit. And ofcourse I have roses right out front,
for shrub roses, and I'm kindof suspecting later in the season they may

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grow out of this. That's that'salso a fairly common thing that occurs.
But in the meantime, well,okay, they're looking a little bad right
now, and it's just good toknow what's happening and not panic. Don't
panic, Joe says, don't panic, stay calm. Joe Bug's always a
pleasure Again. Their website by gldot OSU dot E you a ton of

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postings this week. Be sure tocheck it out, including Joe's fingers that
are all covered with a cheeto likesubstance called rush. He actually after the
picture licked it all off. Whatsoever. Joe always a pleasure. We'll talk
to you next Saturday. You takecare. Bye bye, bye bye bye
quick break we come back. Phonelines are open for you at the A

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two to one w TV. AndI do want to remind you that coming
up the top of the hour,we're going to talk with a gentleman who
is encouraging you. And I've alwayswanted to and I've never talked about this
too much on the show of turningyour lawn into a flowering lawn? Have
you ever thought about it? Iknow a couple of friends that have the
micro Clover's Teresa Parker one of themin their lawn. Have you ever thought

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about doing that? Well, we'regoing to talk about why you would want
to do that, how you goabout doing it with Anthony Nead from flawn
Seed kits pretty cool and that's comingup the top of the hour. And
in the meantime, you and metalking ardening at a two to one w
tv in here on news Radio sixy ten WTVN, talking to your ardening
here on news radio six' tenWTVN, you know, talking with Joe

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about the roses and of course theshrub roses and all, and we are
actually roses are making a comeback backinto the garden again, which I think
is a great thing. If youbuy a rose like a knockout series EO
so easies the drift roses those thatand then they're listed as a low maintenance
rose. Pretty much disease is showinga lot of good disease resistance. Doesn't

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mean they can't get it. Asa matter of fact, I sent them
a picture, Joe, a pictureyesterday of a knockout leaf with one leaf
with rust on it. The wholeplant was good. It had one leaf
that had rust on it. Reallykind of weird, but you know,
again, low to no disease problems. And they're also they'll talk about them
being self cleaning or self dead heading, and they will do that as a

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matter of fact. That's why yousee knock outs and a lot of these
shrub roses that'll still have leaves onthem and be flowering when we get into
December, where other roses are not, they pretty well shut down because hybrid
ts flour buttons grand floors. Youknow, we'll talk about not deadheading them
anymore at the round the first ofSeptember, and by doing that, the

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flower buds, the flowers that stayon there turn into the rose hip and
then they signaled the plant to stopgrowing and to shut down. Well,
in the case of the self cleaningones, they just kind of fall apart
and new growth comes out and theyget another set of buds, and that's
why they stay active longer into theseason. So the question always comes up,
do I need to deadhead those,or you know, should I just

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leave those dead flowers on there?Personally, if you've got the time,
get deadhead them. If you deadheadthose, one is they look cleaner quicker,
because it does take a little bitof time. And secondly, if
you deadhead them and get rid ofthose, you speed up the process of
the regrowth and the new flowers.So even though there's self cleaning and self

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dead heading, if you've got thetime to do it, I say you
do, it make them look cleaner, quicker, and it also speeds up
the process of the reflower, soI would keep that in mind. To
the guarding phone lines. We shallgo Mitch. Good morning, Hey Ryan,
thanks for taking by call my pleasure. I get a prickly pair that's
flowered for the first time this yearafter three years. Hey, Unfortunately,

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I'm going to be moving and i'dreally like to take it with me,
and normally I would really want theheck out of it. But I guess
you have any advice for you know, transferring transplanting the prickly pair at this
time of year. Is it abig one? It's good size, I
mean it's not. It's not huge. I'd see more medium. Can you

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can you take like some saran wrapand kind of pull it up a little
bit so that you can get underneathit to dig it? Yeah, I
think so. I mean that's theway I look at it, because I've
never gotten within a foot of aprickly pair, and I didn't get wind
up getting a getting some kind ofa spike is find in my in my
hands. I think they I thinkthey throw them out. But you know,
if you could kind of do alittle saran wrap and kind of pull

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those up, just because they're prettyfloppy, pretty flexible, pull those up
a bit so you could get toit with a square spade and get underneath
there and pop that out of there. I don't think i'd I'd go for
it. I'd take the chance andpop it out and move it. And
and if you could just pop itup, I would even try to put
it in, you know, justif you could do something to wrap the
bottom, take it right to wherethe new hole is going to be,

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put it right back down in theground, water it in well. I'm
going to guess that you're going topull that off without any any hitches.
But I think, you know,trying to trying to keep all those those
the ears of the pairs leaves pulledup a little bit tighter so they don't
flop and break, and then thatgives you room to make a quick dig
pop it out. And I wouldI would water two or three days before

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you dig it, so that theplants got good moisture and there's a little
bit of moisture in the ground,and then dig it. Plant it watered
in really well, and I thinkit's gonna transplant okay, okay, all
right, that sounds good. Iappreciate your help, all right, appreciate
it. Let me know how itturns out for you, Mitch. I'd
love to hear back from you.All right. Well, thanks, all

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right, take care, quick break, we come back, Mike and Jeff.
You're coming up next eight two toone wtv IN here on News Radio
six y ten wtv IN. Wehad a lot of fun last Saturday,
of course at Dill's Greenhouse. Isalways a good time there, thanks to
Jerry and Kelly and Colleen and ofcourse Grant. We always have fun with

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Grant because he does a little tastetest. We get him to sample things
and it's always a lot of fundoing that. And of course we had
a great group out there, alot of folk stuff. I'll say hello,
the Stingers were all there and alleverybody. So thanks for coming out
and seeing us, and thanks againto the folks at Dill's for hosting us.
We have another one coming up nextSaturday. We're gonna be at Oakland

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Nursery on Oakland Park Avenue, socome on out and say hello. They
always have that customer appreciation sale goingon, so we'll find out what's on
sale. I think just about everything, if I'm not mistaken. But we'll
be there next Saturday. So ifyou're out and about, come and see
us at Oakland Nursery, Oakland ParkAvenue next Saturday, June to fifteenth,

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from tenth until noon. Back tothe Garden Center. We share Garden Center
the garden lines. We shall go. Mike, good morning, Thanks for
the line. Quick question. Actuallyhave two separate topics. One is I'm
thinking about pulling a mult that outand just putting grass in against the house.
And the question is do you bringthe grass all the way to the

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house? I see some house withlittle pebbles ten inches away from the house.
How far do you run the grassto the house? You know what,
Mike here, I always said thatif I ever rebuild another home,
and it was a really attractive architecturehome, I would never have any landscaping
up against the foundation house. Andthis is a whole different design I thought.
But my whole thing was I wouldbring the turf up within about a

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foot or of the foundation, andat that point I would have a gravel
bed with a wall there and thatwould be around the house, and then
I would plant out in the yardmore so that I would enjoy the plants
out in the yard and then enjoythe architecture of the home and not hide
it with plants. And everybody alwaysthinks that was kind of weird. But

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anyway, I like that look.But I like to do that rather than
bringing it up against the foundation ofthe home, because then you're always you
know, mowing up against the foundationor string trimming up against the foundation.
Put that little twelve inch wide bandof whether it be maulch again or the
gravel, to me, is agreat thing. If you use gravel,

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go underneath that and put that landscapefabric down so you don't let it sink
down into the ground. It'll stayon top. But I like that look.
I like the keeping the grass awayfrom the foundation. That's what I
would do personally. I mean,you know, most people have the grass
grow run up against the foundation ifthey don't have a landscape bed there,
but I do. That's one timewhere I do like the gravel that that

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look like a washed creek gravel,something like that smooth gravel. I like
that look, and I think itworks well and it keeps the equipment away
from the foundation of the home,and that's just a cosmetic thing. The
gravel serves no purpose other than justthe look of the house. Well,
it keeps it looks good, andit keeps the grass away from it so
that you're not mowing up against thehouse. Other than that, now when

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I was talking about the otherwise,but also you could you can even look
at it where you would actually trustthat out and create more of a surface
drainage so you have better drainings downinto your drain pipes and all that kind
of stuff. You can get thatinvolved. But just creating that barrier around
there with that gravel is yeah,I think it's you know, again,
keeping the grass away from it,from the equipment being so close to the

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house. Otherwise, you know,if some folks say, well maybe it
keep the termites, people get worriedabout that, which isn't an issue.
But they could still get underneath thatwe're still cool and moist. They could
still do that as well. SoI like it. I like your idea,
but I think it's you know,yeah, you're right, it's probably
more aesthetic than anything else. Okay, And then can I get you on

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a moss question. Sure, Sothe molt beds that I want to keep
are on the side of the housewhere I am not getting a lot of
sun and all that, so Iget I get moss frequently, and I
just in March from the Cleveland areait kind of perked up, so I
was able to get out there justwith my hands and just swipe it all
away. But I can't beat thismoss and in the malt beds that I

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mean to keep. I don't knowhow to stop this moss problem, and
it's a lot of work to digit out. Do you have any recommendations
on how to you know, unanityon. Yeah, that's good, that's
a good way to put it.The thing about the moss is this the
environment is just right for it togrow, and unless you can change the

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environment, it's going to continue on. And that's that's you know, increasing
the sunlight, the airflow, drainage, whatever it may do to change it.
But that's what's going to take toget rid of that. And there
are commercial moss killers that are outthere that last for a limited amount of
time, and once they wear out, the moss stars to regrow. There's

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an all natural way to do itwith a small box of baking soda two
gallons of lukewarm water. You spraywith that, it'll keep it away for
six to eight weeks with no problem. So that means you'd have to go
out three or four times a yearand spray with the baking soda. But
that works too. But it's unlessyou change the environment, it's always going
to come back. And so thenI a lot of times, if in

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a wooded area, then I say, okay, if that's what's going to
happen, then work with the mossand let the moss grow. You put
some stones in there and some fernsand other things, and you know,
work with that shaded condition and themoss and make it look more like a
shade garden and work it that wayand let the moss do its thing and

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not worry about it and it letit, you know, grow in that
environment because that's what it likes todo there. But otherwise there's no that
I know of, any permanent solutionbesides actually changing the environment. And when
that's not what's going to happen,well that helps. In the backyard,
we have a bunch of evergreens thatI'm not real fond of. Some of

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them have some kind of cancer.They need to get pulled out anyway that
would provide more sunlight. Maybe themove is just to do what I mean
to do by knocking some trees down, and it will help with the light
because don't be gone, and Idon't know. Maybe I just wait and
see. So I appreciate it.That helps, all right, Mike,
appreciate the call, and good luckwith everything. That's a tough decision,
but yeah, good luck with everything. Thank you very much. Right,

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all right, take care. Jeffgot about a minute ago thanks to taking
my phone call of your program.Hey, I ask two questions. I'll
make it quick. I listened toyour digitleman talk about the roses, and
my roses look terrible. They're allate up. So basically you just got
to wait it out. No usedto work in the fall and then wait

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for next year. And the secondquestion was, I did all my received
in my backyard, and I pulledall the compost out of my beds to
a nice base top soil on top. Everything looks great. Did the starter
first? Went with the next stepon the fertilizer. Where do I go
from now? As far as keepingmy grass going in the summer months,

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I think, all right, soundsgood. I think the thing right now
then as you go through the summermonths is the watering. It's going to
be the key, and make sureyou turn that ready there you go is
watering. And I think remember oneint your rainfall every seven to ten days,
that's what your lawn would life foroptimum growing conditions. So if you

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don't get that one inch your rainfall, you've got to come in and supplement.
And that's going to be the keyto keep that keeping that grass because
it's new, it's not rooted inwell, not letting it dry out totally,
and so you know, you gotto stick with a stick with aus,
stick with us. So watering isgoing to be the key. We
get into September, we get intoour two fall feedings, do some overseting
if necessary, to fill in someareas. It may not be quite as

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thick as you want, you know, that type of thing. But for
right now, to me, fromthis point forward, for June, July
and August, it's going to bewatering is the key. And when it
needs it again less than a halfat an inch of rainfall every seven to
ten days, you come back andsupplement. We got to take a quick
break when we come back, we'vegot our friends from Flowering Lawn flowering lawn

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