Prop 6 - Limiting Forced Labor In State Prisons

Welcome back!!

In this episode the ladies discuss the Chappell Roan controversy and why her fans were upset she wouldn't endorse a candidate. They also talk about the indictment of the New York mayor, and Sabrina Carpenter's involvement. And then the ladies have a round table discussion about Proposition 6 which seeks to limit forced labor in state prisons. Lastly, you will get to hear from Nathan Hochman, a independent candidate running for District Attorney. He speaks about his goals, how he would be different than George Gascon, and also about his music taste! Tune in!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
In the Note Podcast, your source for everything that matters
in La.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome back to the In the Note Podcast.

Speaker 3 (00:07):
My name is Kayla, I'm cool, I'm Emily, and welcome
to episode five.

Speaker 4 (00:12):
Oh my gosh. Five. Already we were right here.

Speaker 3 (00:15):
And by the time this podcast comes out, we will
be one month away, a little bit less than one
month away from the presidential election.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
Isn't it crazy to think about?

Speaker 4 (00:26):
I got my Voter Guide in the mail, so I'm
ready now. I feel vicial. I know, I'm actually reading
it this year. I usually gotta just throw it away, but.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
I need to.

Speaker 4 (00:35):
It's crazy, but I'm like, wow, thick boy too, I know.

Speaker 5 (00:39):
And I was actually like reading it and like they
wrote it well, like I kind of I'm understanding it honestly.

Speaker 4 (00:44):
Yeah, yeah, great, But.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
Well, everybody should definitely check their mail and see if
they have theirs, uh and read it, you know, even
though it's a lot a lot of words, a lot
of small words, and sometimes I'm like, oh, I want
to read this, but it's really important and they break
everything down. I mean, Diatta was just selling us the
other day about how they break it down and how
they like put all the propositions who's for it, who's

(01:07):
against it?

Speaker 2 (01:07):
In like simple turns. It looks intimidating.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
Because it's small words in this book, but it's actually
will really really help you.

Speaker 4 (01:13):
And it has all sides to the argument too.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
So on the four side it has like a four
and then a rebuttal to the four, and then on
the against side it has an against argument and then
a rebuttal to the again, so it's like four sides
to the argument.

Speaker 4 (01:24):
That's what I love about this.

Speaker 5 (01:26):
But also it's so interestingcase we're going to talk about
prop six today, and there was an argument in favor
of proposition six that was submitted, but no argument against
propecition six was submitted, So it's just like a big
page in here that's no argument was submitted.

Speaker 4 (01:42):
So it was like, I very interesting, yeah for this proposition.
Yeah interesting, So a lot of people are for it.

Speaker 6 (01:47):
I guess.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
So.

Speaker 4 (01:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:49):
But we're gonna talk about a lot of things this
week in this episode. But I mean, how was you
guys this week? Before you jump into it? I just
joined a Jim is your I don't know.

Speaker 4 (02:01):
That's how I feel about the gym.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
Just gym that is so expense You better go to
a Planet Fit.

Speaker 4 (02:06):
It's hey, I love Planet Fitness, me too.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
Listen, this one has like a cold plunge and asana
and all that stuff, and it's right on my block,
like it's literally like a one minute walk away from me.

Speaker 4 (02:19):
So you have no excuse.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
I need the accountability and I need to be able
to say, oh, it's okay. You don't have to deal
with parking, like I don't have to deal with parking,
So that's I don't have the excuse to not go okay.

Speaker 4 (02:28):
I will say a cold plunge. Do you have you
done those before? No? I want I hell no, I'm
sorry I.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
Did it before. It was the worst thing ever, and
once like it relaxes your body. No, it doesn't.

Speaker 4 (02:39):
I can barely handle a cold shower like I cannot.
It's true. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
I think it'll be fun. It's outside.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
The cold plunge part is outside, so I don't know.
We'll see how it goes worse.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
That makes it even worse on her gym right now,
did I make a mistake?

Speaker 2 (02:56):
No, no, don't let us. I don't let us too.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
I are very proud of you, thank you, thank you,
and you're gonna be snatched.

Speaker 5 (03:04):
Snatched, And I get I get like the gym being
close to your house, because I have a plan fin
is close to my house, so I'm very lucky.

Speaker 4 (03:09):
But it's like it makes a world of a difference.
But there is something about gym timidation.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
Like I have always been like a workout class. Girl,
I used to teach workout classes. I really fell off
the rocker in like twenty twenty and I've just never
been like consistent with a gym. And I just I need,
I need to hold myself accountable right now, and I'm
hoping that.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
This does it.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
I'm hoping that the price and the fact that it's
right around the corner is like, girl, yeah, just go.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
I mean sometimes you just got to invest in yourself,
and sometimes it takes that much money to you know,
invest in yourself. Like we have spent freaking five hundred
dollars on our hair literally, yeah, I mean, like when
not on your body once a month?

Speaker 4 (03:45):
So exactly was that five hundred?

Speaker 5 (03:46):
Thank you? It's a good investment. Plus, like you'll like
start to get better. And it takes two weeks of
consistently doing something to form a habit, thirty days thirty.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
Days to make a hab that's fifteen days.

Speaker 4 (03:58):
Really, yeah, not even better?

Speaker 2 (04:01):
What about you?

Speaker 4 (04:03):
I got my engagement photos done.

Speaker 5 (04:04):
This week, Raoul, and I got complimented on our PDA,
which I've never been complimented on before. Wait what so
our photographer was saying like he was like trying. He
was like, all right, I'm probably gonna have to like
help them out like be like intimate with each other
in like a public setting, you know where people. We're
at Griffith Observatory, so a lot of people and we're
taking pictures and engagement photos are very intimate, and we

(04:27):
were just kind of like, I don't know, we were
just kind of have that issue. And I think it's
because everyone is doing photo shoots there, so I wasn't
feeling that uncomfortable or that like people were watching me
or anything like that. But he was like, yeah, you
guys are just like able to like do your PDA
in public.

Speaker 4 (04:41):
And I was like, I don't know if that's a compliment.

Speaker 5 (04:42):
But I'm gonna take it as a compliment this way,
exacintitely a compliment.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
Yeah, I can't wait to see I'm sure he looks beautiful.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
Your hair, it looks amazing.

Speaker 5 (04:50):
Oh, Yes, I did get my hair done and I
will be posting it, so check it out.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yay, I'm excited my turn.

Speaker 4 (04:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
I went to San Diego this weekend and it was
such a nice, relaxing weekend.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
I can't even express you.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
So my old boss when I worked at a radio
station in Virginia, he's like super rich and he has
a vacation rental in San Diego that he just let me,
like he literally offers it to me whenever I want it.
And this is the first time that I was actually
able to, you know, get some friends and go over there.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
So it's like this, it's like a villa.

Speaker 4 (05:25):
It is like, hello, can we do a live podcast
right now? Donna, Oh my gosh.

Speaker 3 (05:30):
It is amazing, Like it's in the hills at the
very very top, like pool, he has asana, a sea room,
he has a gym in the in the house like
five bedrooms, like a wine cellar. It is like the
most beautiful house ever. And it was so comfortable for
me and my three friends. So we were just celebrating
Lucy's birthday. And also we haven't all been together like

(05:52):
that since like twenty nineteen, like five six years.

Speaker 1 (05:56):
Yeah, it's so nice when you can get back together
with a group of friends and it's like nothing.

Speaker 3 (06:02):
Yes, like we've individually seen each other like over the
years here and there, but together all four of us,
like we were so close in college and so it
was nice like coming back together, reminiscing and just having
an amazing weekend. We ate out, we had a picnic
by the beach, uh and a lot of just staying
in the house and just like relaxing and drinking for
seco and like so sharing memories and.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yeah, it was it was great.

Speaker 5 (06:26):
I know you wanted like a relaxing, like fun weekend,
especially when you didn't get to go to the iHeart Festival.

Speaker 4 (06:31):
So I'm so glad that you got to do this finally.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
I'm glad too.

Speaker 4 (06:36):
You had a glow to you in your photos that
you were posting up. Oh you a lot girl. I
was like, damn, really smile.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
I mean, I mean you already have a really big
smile and a beautiful smile all the time anyway, but
like you were, I was like, oh, she's she's having
Oh thank you guys.

Speaker 5 (06:49):
I'm from San Diego, so I know how like relaxing
it can be. It's like I know it's like only
two hours from LA, but it really like a world
of so different.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
It's quiet. I don't know how to explain it, but
like here there's just noise.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
There's construction, you hear cars, like literally, there was silence,
just like when I looked out over the balcony there
was like no call, like you don't hear anything, kids
running around. It was soapy. I can't even describe it.
Traffic is like not existing over there. I would love
to retire in San Diego.

Speaker 5 (07:18):
That's what everyone says. Yeah, and my parents did retire
over there, so I mean they also live there. But yeah,
it's so it's so nice.

Speaker 4 (07:25):
I love it. Yeah. Can I ask you guys something?

Speaker 1 (07:27):
Have you ever heard of the thing that like your
friends when you meet actually, no, scratch that, what do
you think of your friends as the age you met
them as or the age that they are now?

Speaker 4 (07:37):
Like in your head? Oh, age I met them as when.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
You think of your best friends, Yeah, the age that
I met them at, and maybe like our craziest moments,
like when I met them, like when you picture them
in your brands. Yeah, I automatically go back to the
summer twenty sixteen yeah, because that was like our peak.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
But yeah, isn't it crazy how like in your mind
your memory are formulated from like the most I don't know,
like iconic or like the first moments, yeah, or like the.

Speaker 4 (08:04):
Biggest of the friendship.

Speaker 3 (08:05):
Yeah, which for us, like we all met in the
beginning of college, but like I would say, the year
that we all came so close and had our just
the biggest it was a crazy year was summer twenty sixteen.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
I instantly think of that always.

Speaker 4 (08:17):
Oh didn't feel like that when you guys got to
get dead.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
It felt like that all over again, but like a
more mature version of us, you know, like obviously we're
not those same people. I mean we are, but like
we were grown. You know, Kia has kids, Lucy's married.
You know, we're all at different places in our life.
So no, we're not like the drunk nineteen twenty one
year old you know anymore.

Speaker 5 (08:39):
But the answer got to be like in a fancy
house and like we like, but.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
We still have those like traits that we had back
in twenty sixteen, and the essence, the energy of the
friendship is still there.

Speaker 4 (08:50):
That's how you know it's meant to last.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
You know, okay, let's talk about Chapelone because she's wild
hour right now.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
She is there, there's a lot.

Speaker 4 (09:00):
Of to go. She's going through it.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
Yeah, she's going She's going through it. We love Chapelerone,
but we gotta.

Speaker 5 (09:05):
Sh I've been a fan since twenty twenty.

Speaker 4 (09:08):
Like I was telling everybody about Chapelerone. No one was
listening to me, and then she blew.

Speaker 5 (09:14):
Up and everyone's like, if you're a chaperone, And I
was like, I told you about it, are you kidding me?

Speaker 2 (09:18):
A vandwagon a fan, I have to admit it's okay.

Speaker 4 (09:20):
It's okay.

Speaker 6 (09:20):
You know.

Speaker 3 (09:21):
What I love and respect about her is how she
sets her boundaries. Now, everything that's going on right now
will break down a little bit. But what I've noticed
about her she always stands up for herself and she
doesn't care how famous she is. She's like, no, like,
you are gonna respect me, and I'm gonna respect you. Like,
even though I'm a star, I still demand respect for
my fans. And she's very vocal about that and doesn't

(09:43):
take any bullshit.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
And I appreciate that.

Speaker 4 (09:45):
Yeah, I shouldn't be such a controversy for her.

Speaker 5 (09:46):
To be like, hey, please stop stalking me and my family,
and you're like, oh, how dare she asks us to
stop stalking her.

Speaker 4 (09:52):
It's like, bro, yeah, a lot.

Speaker 3 (09:53):
We're doing think pieces like, well, she this is what
she signed up for. She's a celebrity and that's just
what comes with it. But actually does it Like does
it doesn't need to give us the right to a
lot of people in six deck It's like, that doesn't
give us the right to go to her house and
you know, demand a picture when she's walking down the
street or coming out of Planet Fit, you know what
I mean. Like, so I feel for what she's going

(10:14):
through right now, but Emily breakdown what's going on because
I know there's a lot of controversy when it comes
to her about people wanting her to endorse a candidate
because of her platform, which is huge. Yes, people feeling
like she should and she at first did not want to,
but then kind of was like bullied into just picking somebody,
and it's kind of become a very controversial situation.

Speaker 4 (10:35):
Well, I think.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
Chapel started her platform really started by platforming like other people.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
She always had a platform for drag queens.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
At her show, she was always really vocal at her
shows from the start, so I feel like, intrinsically she
has this desire to platform people that maybe won't get
as much exposure as she has. So part of me
believes that like she feels this like within her being,
she does feel like there's this duty for her to.

Speaker 4 (11:02):
Speak up on things.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
And maybe that's at least in my brain like where
I think she's like having so much trouble grappling with
the way it's being received right now, because I feel
like this is something that she feels so passionate about.

Speaker 4 (11:13):
But what happened was she did.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
A Rolling Stones article where they were asking her about
who she wanted to endorse, and she did not feel
comfortable endorsing anyone. She said, there's problem on left, there's
problems on the right, and people were not happy about that.
People were not happy that she was equating both sides, and.

Speaker 4 (11:30):
Mostly her fans, they were not happy about that. So
she made a video.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
Blowing up kind of at her fans and kind of
just saying like, I don't feel explaining that I don't
feel comfortable endorsing anyone. I feel like there's problems all
around and this is not what I want to put
my stamp.

Speaker 4 (11:47):
Of approval on.

Speaker 1 (11:48):
So people were really really up in arms about that video.
She ended up making a second video where like you said,
she just picked one. She was like obviously unvoting one way,
but she didn't seem happy about it. She mispronounced Kamala's
name when she did it, and it almost like made
things in the eyes of some of her fans worse.

Speaker 4 (12:08):
Now this I don't know if it's that video.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
I don't know if it's the other issues that have
been going on for her when it comes to canceling shows,
but it seems like it's just been a.

Speaker 4 (12:17):
Really rough two weeks for chapel erone.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
Three weeks ish since the VMA's it's been a rough
go for her. She's been really really heavily under a microscope,
and like I said, I feel like she really does
take this kind of stuff seriously when it comes to
platforming and giving people a voice, and so I think
it just all got to her.

Speaker 4 (12:37):
I think she feels really sensitive about it. She doesn't
want to say the wrong thing.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
She takes her platform very seriously, and she ended up
pulling out of two shows to prioritize her mental health.

Speaker 5 (12:46):
Which, by the way, I almost went to those shows.
I almost went to the All Things Go Festival for Chapel.

Speaker 3 (12:51):
Yeah, and didn't she like the day of or the
day day before.

Speaker 6 (12:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (12:56):
It was actually really funny that All Things Go Festival
like obviously posted a message of support because mental health
is very important, but in the screenshot of one of
them at the top of their screen, it says thirty
one minute phone call, and everyone was like, oh, they
were freaking out.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
They ended up getting Muna, Yes, and Muna did a
tribute to Chapel. I feel like, you know, other artists
on that lineup understood what she was going through. Her
rise to fame was so fast. I mean, she's been
grinding in this industry for a while and then there's
like instant You're there. Yeah, yeah, and it's like nothing
can prepare you for that at all. She's had a

(13:30):
lot of support from a lot of artists that we
all love, but like, nothing can truly prepare you for that.
And I truly what I think is she's a person
that takes her craft very seriously. She takes what she
says very seriously because she hasn't had this big of
a platform and it.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
Just all got to her really quickly.

Speaker 4 (13:44):
Yeah, I feel for her.

Speaker 3 (13:45):
She said that she was diagnosed with severe depression recently,
and she was like, I didn't think so, because you know,
I don't have the signs of being depressed, Like I
don't cry all the time. You know, you can't see
it all me. But you know, the things she's has
just had symptoms of being depressed. And I feel bad
for her, like I don't know, And I love that
she's being vocal about that though, like telling her fans like,

(14:07):
this is what I'm going through. This is a lot
people are stalking my family, Like I'm not happy. I'm
adjusting to fame really really terribly right now. She even said,
you know, if she might quit in a few years,
if she can't, you know, adjust, And that's what.

Speaker 4 (14:21):
Makes me satis. I love her. I don't want her
to quit.

Speaker 5 (14:23):
So I honestly think she needs a great security team
and a PR person to just handle the social media
stuff for her, because I feel like it's just like
too much she's putting on.

Speaker 3 (14:33):
She even said that she doesn't want to win a Grammy,
and you know, like that is people's dream when you're
an artist, is to do win a Grammy, And she
was like, no, because maybe then people will leave me alone,
you know, like because she knows she's going to be
nominated for next year's you know, Grammys, and she's like, well,
maybe if I don't win Best New Artists, people will
just leave me alone. I think she just really wants
to be out of the spotlight. She someone don't like it.

Speaker 4 (14:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
I think she's someone that is in it for the art,
like truly for the.

Speaker 4 (14:58):
Art, which is why she makes such great music.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
She's made such a point too, to tell fans that,
you know, when she's on stage, she is Chapel, and
in her real life she is Kaylee.

Speaker 4 (15:10):
She doesn't like it when her fans call her her
real name.

Speaker 1 (15:12):
She has made such a concerted effort to kind of
separate the artist from the art, and it's really evident
right now that it's almost like the two are bleeding together.

Speaker 4 (15:22):
And I feel for her. I really do feel for her.

Speaker 3 (15:25):
Do you think it's destructive of what of her not
endorsing a candidate at first? I think she just picked
and choose at first, and then I think at one
point she said I don't want to vote for anybody.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
Yeah, here's the thing with that. I think that you're
allowed to do whatever you want. We all get one vote,
you know what I mean, Like it's a level playing field.
Who doesn't matter who you are, we all get one
vote at the end of the day. I think if
you have that big of a platform, especially someone who
has made their platform with a lot of advocacy behind it,
I think you should know the weight of your voice
and know the weight of what you're saying. And if

(15:57):
you don't feel like endorsing someone in an election that
we all know is highly contentious, that there's a lot
going on, there's a lot at stake in this election,
maybe just don't answer that question. Yeah, you know, bow
out for a second, like sometimes you don't need to
speak on every little thing.

Speaker 4 (16:12):
Yeah, and it will eventually go away, yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
Yeah, And if I don't know, And I think that
just comes with time, and I think that comes with
experience when it comes to her career, that she doesn't
need to feel like she needs to speak on every
little thing.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
Or defend herself at every little thing, you know, And
you're right.

Speaker 5 (16:28):
She does need pr so just someone to run it
for her so she doesn't have to worry about it.

Speaker 1 (16:33):
But that's the thing why people like her though, is
because like she accessibility right there.

Speaker 5 (16:38):
But I also I mean at the risk of her
mental health, like you know, like sometimes even though that
is like part of her brand is that she's right there,
she's accessible and stuff. It's just like, if it's at
risk to your mental health, like it's okay to ask
for help and ask someone to handle it for you,
you know. So I do think that when she was
talking about Kamala, some of the issues she brought up
were really valid, Like the Israel Palestine issue was a

(16:58):
really big issue for a lot of young voters, especially
in my generation, and also you know a lot of
inactivity on trans rights and stuff like that. So I
think that those were valid criticisms. It's just like one
side for those issues is a lot worse than the
other side. So it's just like it's a very it's
a contentious election that people are having a lot of
issues for it. But she's allowed to do whatever she wants.

(17:20):
If she wants to vote for Kamalo, she doesn't, it's
her vote. You know, you can't control what other people do.
And I think that's what people are getting mad at
they're like, you need to vote, like I vote. It's like, no,
she does it. She just can think whatever she wants.
It's her opinion.

Speaker 3 (17:32):
You know, what do you think about people who are
choosing not to vote. I've been when a lot of
TikTok lives of people who are saying I refuse to
vote for any of them because you know they're both bad.
But personally, I think, you know, not voting for the
left is voting for the right. Not voting for the
right is voting for the left. With holding your vote,

(17:52):
I personally think is super selfish. I mean, I don't
understand people's stance on that. It's like they're trying to,
you know, boycott, but in reality, I think it's hurting
more than not.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
Yeah, I agree, I think there you don't live your
life based on one decision. You don't wake up in
the morning decide one thing, and then you make no
more decisions throughout the rest of the day. Right, Like,
there are so many things on that ballot that are
decisions that you are opting into when you vote. It's
not just a one blanket type of thing. So if
there's one thing you disagree with, okay, understandable. But like

(18:27):
that's not life, you know what I mean. There's so
many different avenues that you can decide on on a ballot,
and so many factors that play into your everyday life that.

Speaker 4 (18:37):
It's just though vote, Like there's so many reasons to vote.

Speaker 3 (18:42):
And that's the thing too, It's like it's not just
about Trump and Kamala at all. It's like, look at
all these congressmen that we are bringing to you, the
district attorney. Those people are the ones that you know
affected LA Law's first hand, governor, mayor, you know what
I mean. So it's go, there's so much more that
goes into it than just like Republican versus Democrats toto.
So if you don't if you really don't want to
vote for either one of those, like think about the

(19:04):
people in your local city that affect you here in California.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
And it's also like if you're not willing to affect
change on a local level, on a small scale level, it's.

Speaker 4 (19:14):
Not going to reach the top, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
Like it's a bottom up kind of thing, and you
can really affect the things that are happening in your
everyday life on a local level.

Speaker 5 (19:23):
Why not change that That's why I get so frustrated
when people don't vote in midterms but only vote in
presidential elections. Like I'm just like, come on, like it's
really it takes what five fifteen minutes just to like,
you know, see what you're doing. Reach Okay, all right,
I'll vote yes, no, whatever on whatever or vote for
whatever candidate like you just I think, like, if you
don't want to vote, fine, that's your decision, but you

(19:43):
have like if you're complaining later on, that's your own fault.

Speaker 4 (19:47):
You didn't vote, man, Like that's yeah.

Speaker 5 (19:48):
They gave you an opportunity to have your voice be heard,
and you didn't vote.

Speaker 4 (19:53):
That's your decision, But you can't complain later on.

Speaker 3 (19:55):
People simply just don't care, you know, or they don't
take the time to learn or to care, or they
just really aren't educated on the fact that like those
elections matter.

Speaker 4 (20:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
Do they teach us that in school?

Speaker 4 (20:08):
Yeah? No, I don't.

Speaker 3 (20:11):
I didn't learn about no congressman in elementary school or
like when I should have or high school. At least,
I didn't learn about that, learned about like what the
houses were like that oh specific like elections, and yeah,
I guess we didn't really go over like elections and stuff.
I mean, I would have learned to in high school
learn about my district, you know what I mean, or
seriously so that I can be kind of groomed into Okay,

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this is the stuff that matters.

Speaker 1 (20:35):
I also don't think that they did, Like there's always
it's US government that we do, right, It's never like
state government, local government.

Speaker 4 (20:41):
Yeah, we learn.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
About the US exact stuff, and there's such a heavy
emphasis on Like I think that's why most people vote
in like the presidential elections, because we always learn about
the exactly. But if we learn more about the local
stuff in high school, or even just the fact that,
like it's such a trickle down fact. Like reading through
some of these things and reading through some of these propositions,

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I'm like, oh my god, I totally forgot, you know
when like the no hate the proposition eight back in
the day and I was like, oh my god, that's
tied to what's on the ballot now. And that was
in two thousand and nine, you know, And it's like
all these things are tied together. All these things happen
as a result of one another, and your voice being.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
Heard plays a direct role yeah, happen.

Speaker 5 (21:25):
You guys will be proud of me because I nanny
for these three triplets there. They just turned eleven, so
they're a little young. But I have been like teaching
them about what's on the Yeah, I think.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
You should, even though they can't. They should. I feel
like teach about propositions yea and stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (21:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (21:41):
They're arguing every time because they get annoyed when I
do it. They're like, I don't I'm not phota, it
doesn't matter, and I'm like, but you should know what's
happening like in your community.

Speaker 4 (21:49):
I remember Schoolhouse Rock back in the day, do you guys?

Speaker 6 (21:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (21:52):
Still, Bill was a musical version of it here on
capt Old Hill. Okay, don't you that they don't know
about it? Nowadays? They don't do Schoolhouse Rock anymore. Isn't
that sad? I know.

Speaker 5 (22:04):
I showed them because they asked me what an adjective was,
so I showed them the adjective video and like they
were like, what is this?

Speaker 4 (22:10):
And I was like, a school has rock? What do
you know all about?

Speaker 1 (22:13):
They need to do like some sort of local or
at least just like include the fact that local stuff
is so chease.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
Them how to read a ballot.

Speaker 3 (22:22):
I don't think I The first time I ever saw
a ballt is when I'd voted for the first time.

Speaker 4 (22:25):
Yeah, it's really Yeah, it's sad.

Speaker 5 (22:27):
We need to like, yeah, that education needs to be
influenced in schools. Yeah, local stuff matters just as much
as national stuff.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
So recently, have you guys been seeing what's been happening
with the mayor of New York. Oh my goodness, Oh
my good chaos going on.

Speaker 5 (22:44):
I know he's had a very chaotic run from the beginning.
I don't know if you guys remember that like meme
where he was like the rats are not taking over
New York. He's just like been a little like chaos rat.
I'm gonna say, like from the.

Speaker 4 (22:57):
Beginning, So chaos rat. That's so funny.

Speaker 3 (23:01):
So Eric Adams, he was indicted after federal corruption investigation.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
So basically Adam. I don't know why I'm laughing.

Speaker 3 (23:10):
Adams was indicted last week on federal charges alleging that
he accepted lavish travel benefits and illegal campaign contributions from
a Turkish official and other foreign nationals in exchange for
political favors, which included you know, pushing through the opening
of a Turkish consultant building.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
I don't know. So yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:30):
I mean he's been flying on prova jets, taking advantage,
allegedly doing the most, and now he is being held accountable,
but he's not stepping down. I actually watch a press
conference with him this morning and he's like, I still
am very capable of doing my job.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
I am here to stay. They're not going to run
me out.

Speaker 3 (23:47):
I got I hired an amazing attorney, and I'm going
to fight this.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
What do you guys think?

Speaker 4 (23:52):
I think he sucks.

Speaker 5 (23:54):
It's so like obvious that he's been doing that, like
he's like loved the attention of being mayor.

Speaker 4 (23:59):
Since he's gone mayor.

Speaker 5 (24:00):
I'm sorry, I don't I personally, I disagree with a
lot of Eric Adams policies and stuff that he doesn't
act like a democrat. He's just he's a former cop
and he's very pro police, and he did that. He's
been like just over arming cops and stuff like that
in the New York subway system, trying to get people
who are like evading affair and it's like there's bigger

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crime issues in New York than people avoiding fairs in subways.

Speaker 4 (24:27):
So like, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (24:27):
I think his priorities are all over the place. That's
my personal opinion on him. What's interesting about this is
Sabrina Carpenter has a slight connection to these like bribery
things crazy.

Speaker 4 (24:39):
And she did New York literally like show.

Speaker 5 (24:41):
Yeah, she was performing at MSG and she was like,
she was like, can we talk about how I got
the mayor indicted?

Speaker 4 (24:47):
Yeah? Damn what now.

Speaker 7 (24:57):
Should we talk about how I got the I.

Speaker 4 (25:04):
Love her sense? I do too.

Speaker 6 (25:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (25:08):
Well, so do you remember her father music video where
she performed it in a church and it was really
controversial because the Diocese of Brooklyn was like, no, that
can't happen.

Speaker 4 (25:19):
So the priest that allowed her, I believe he was
a monsignor. Let me see here.

Speaker 5 (25:23):
Yeah, yeah, he was a mon signior and he allowed it.
And it was Monsignor Jamie Uhi Tlo.

Speaker 4 (25:30):
That's an Italian name.

Speaker 5 (25:32):
But so he allowed it and then he got demoted
because the diocese was like, that was not okay, it
was inappropriate and it was kind of a dumb decision.
But apparently that kind of like triggered an investigation into
this monsignor and he had some ties apparently to Eric Adams.
And that's so it kind of like trickled down a
little bit.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
Any way, controversial opinion, but like this feels so much
in regards to like what is going on in Hollywood
right now. If like the biggest corruption is like money stuff. Personally,
I'm like, you know what.

Speaker 4 (26:10):
Get your bag. I guess I don't know.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
He's okay, like like obviously no, like obviously that's like
not okay. But I just feel like, with like all
the stuff that's going on in Hollywood right now, this
sounds like a slap on the wrist, keep it moving
kind of thing.

Speaker 5 (26:30):
Are you talking about, like the Diddy stuff? Like comparing
it to the Diddy stuff?

Speaker 3 (26:33):
Right? Okay, Yeah, yeah, I see what you mean. Like
human trafficking versus going on a private man. We got
bigger fish to fry right now, Like if we stick
to Diddy and what he did versus like caring about
somebody who took a private jack to Turkey or whatever.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
And like you got bribed, okay, like honestly, but you
know how many Like that's the thing is.

Speaker 4 (26:55):
So many officials do this, and it's like this sneaky enough,
this should be like get it better bro a mayor job,
and like.

Speaker 5 (27:04):
These public official jobs congresswoman, congress people, all this stuff,
like those jobs should be boring, low paying jobs in
my opinion, because I feel like there's too much power
and influence that comes with it that they get a
little greedy and stuff Eric Adams stuff. So like I
think it's I think it's obviously not as bad as
human trafficking, but still very slimy, and I don't like

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slimy one.

Speaker 1 (27:27):
But like in the scheme of the world, like I
don't know, say this headline, like I don't even know
really what's going on. I was like I heard about
this mayor thing, but like I can't care that much
about a mayor where like there's.

Speaker 4 (27:37):
Way much going on.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
Like everything that's happening over seas day.

Speaker 5 (27:42):
Is like it's a there's a lot of really really
rough headlines.

Speaker 3 (27:46):
Chris just has a documentary coming out about domestic violence
from yesterday.

Speaker 4 (27:50):
There is a lie, there's a lot happening. Those words
in the same sentence as.

Speaker 3 (27:56):
Wild when you like zoom out and look at Hollywood,
when you look at like politics, everything is fucked.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
I agree, anythink is like a mess.

Speaker 4 (28:06):
It's a mess.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
Well, there are some propositions that are working to try
to clean that up a little bit.

Speaker 4 (28:10):
Yes, that is true.

Speaker 3 (28:11):
The transition to talk about proposition six. Speaking of which,
by the way, we talked with Nathan Hoffman, who you
hear his interview in a little bit. He's running for
a district attorney, and he talked all about like his
policies and what he plans to do and help, you know,
keep people out of jail and blah blah blah. But
proposition six, here we go. Proposition six would amend the

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California Constitution to prohibit this state from punishing inmates with
involuntary work assignments and from discipline and from disciplining those
who refuse to work. Instead, what they can do is
state prisons would set up volunteer work assignment is like
a program to take off time from sentences in the
form of credits. It would let the county or city

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ordiances set up a pay scale for inmates in local jails.
So a lot of people are for it. Hardly any
op position against it. But yeah, what do you guys think?

Speaker 4 (29:04):
Well, I didn't even know this was happening. I don't
know about you guys.

Speaker 5 (29:07):
I mean, I really need to like educate myself more
on our prison system. I know a lot about like
you know, we were talking to Hawkman and Gascon and
stuff like that about like how people get to prison,
but not a lot about like what actually happens in
prison and the treatment of these prisoners. So I thought
it was very interesting. I mean, I yeah, I truly
didn't know that there was essentially kind of slave labor.

Speaker 4 (29:28):
Yeah. Yeah, and that's ethically not okay.

Speaker 5 (29:31):
I don't care if someone did a horrible crime, like
you know, they're in the prison system, they're supposed to
be taken care of by, you know, the prison system.
Like this is kind of just very predatory, and I
don't like it.

Speaker 4 (29:42):
So yeah, a lot of.

Speaker 5 (29:44):
The supporters are saying that prisoners are often retaliated against
for turning down assignments that can be dangerous or life threatening.

Speaker 4 (29:52):
It's an inhumane work treatment.

Speaker 5 (29:54):
They have to work extremely long hours and stuff that
do not necessarily contribute to future skills for little pay.
And so I like the idea of like if it's
like you know, if there, if it's a job they
choose that they want to like learn a future skill
and contribute to society. When they make it out of prison,
like prison should be about rehabilitation instead of just.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
Like yeah, I like you said, it makes you feel
like it's like slave Now, California wasn't a slave stay,
but they has a long history of forced labor and
this needs to change. And people agree. You know, even
though these people did things to get in jail, like,
they're still humans. You don't have got to force them
to do things like this. I think it's I think
it's absolutely inhumane. Yeah, I wonder what exactly they're forcing

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them to do, like, yeah, like it it has to
be worse like scrubbing the floors, right, yeah, it sounds
like it's dangerous or life threatening work like you know,
probably like you know, building stuff or something like that.

Speaker 4 (30:42):
It's just like not and what.

Speaker 3 (30:44):
If they have like a disability, you know, they still
force them to do it even though they have that,
you know, like the only opposition there's not really like
you said anything Formalsome editorial boards are saying that refusing
work at all shouldn't.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
Be an option for inmates, Like weird, shouldn't all people
be able to refuse something that doesn't.

Speaker 3 (31:04):
It does not even matter if they're in jail. Yes,
they should be able to refuse if they don't want
to do it.

Speaker 4 (31:08):
Yeah, you know what I mean. Safety.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
I think that obviously there needs to be stipulations like
the safety of a person or like their ability to
do it. You know, like we can't just like show
up to work and be like I don't want to
work today, Like, but I don't think that's what they're
asking for.

Speaker 4 (31:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:23):
Yeah, so that will be on your ballot in a
month of vote yes or no. Proposition six. I talked
with Nathan Hawkman. I personally really really liked him. He's
an independent nominee running for District Attorney, and so we
talked about all the things that he plans on doing
on keeping people out of the jails and so, yeah,
take a listen.

Speaker 7 (31:40):
Welcome back to the ind The No Podcast. My name
is Kayla. I am sitting with Nathan Hawkman.

Speaker 3 (31:44):
Hi.

Speaker 7 (31:45):
Hello, you are running for.

Speaker 6 (31:46):
What I'm running for Los Angeles County District Attorney.

Speaker 3 (31:49):
Okay, So you know you're running for the city of
Los Angeles. So we want to know how much you
love the city of Los Angeles, how much you know
the city of Los Angeles. So when it comes to
like different places that you like to eat around here.

Speaker 7 (32:00):
Where's your favorite restaurant?

Speaker 6 (32:02):
Wow? You know? Okay? Basic? You know, whether it's a
kind of a midnight snack. We gotta go either a
Tommy's Burger or hit it out.

Speaker 7 (32:11):
Oh, I'd be the go to, but animal style.

Speaker 6 (32:16):
Actually I'm going to go protein style. Okay, I'll go
double double, okay with the strawberry shake. I like it.

Speaker 7 (32:24):
I like it. How long have you been living in
Los Angeles?

Speaker 6 (32:27):
My whole life?

Speaker 7 (32:28):
Your whole life.

Speaker 6 (32:29):
I was born at ucill Hospital, grew up in LA,
went to school here, married now thirty one years, raised
my three kids who are now in their twenties here
in LA. You know, it's part of the reason why
I'm running for District attorney. You know, the current DA
came in from San Francisco, destroyed the public safety there.

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Now he's coming into La tried to destroy our public safety.
He's literally put it to the our public safety to
the edge of the abyss, and he's ready to put
throw it over for the next four years. I can't
let that happen. She love it here. I'm going to
fight for what I love.

Speaker 3 (33:02):
But why do you love it? What makes you so
passionate about the city of Los Angeles. What is it
about this place?

Speaker 6 (33:08):
It's a combination that the physical setting is literally unique.
It's unique in the world where you can spend the
morning on a beach, go up, go hiking in the mountains,
and then if you want to drive the extra two
and a half hours, have dinner in the desert. I mean,
where else in the world can you do that and
then have world class culture. I mean, you know, you
can go downtown, you can go to Westward, you can

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go to any of the small theaters all over here,
world class culture, and then the people. I mean, one
of the advantages of running for District Attorney is that
if I had a chance to go around this whole county.
So it's not even just La City, it's the eighty
eight cities that make up this county. It goes from
Long Beach to La to Lancaster, from Santa Monica to
the San Gabriel, San Fernando and Santa Clarita Valleys. It's

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four thousand square miles. It's got over ten million people
in it. They're fascinating, they're amazing. They're from one hundred
different countries right here. You literally can visit one hundred
countries and never leave La County. So, I mean, who
wouldn't love it here as long as safety is under control?
And I understand the people who have left La County
over the last couple of years because it wasn't the

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high taxes, that the traffic, the small and the earthquakes
that got them to leave. It was fear. Fear that
if you go out to a downtown area, should you
wear a watch or carry it back? Fear that like,
if you get back to your car, is this the
day that you're the statistic where your car got broken into?
Or if you go back to your home or your apartment,
are you going to be on next door or street

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people of whatever the citizen app showing everybody going ahead
and entering your house. Again, that fear is unique. It's
only happened the last three and a half years for
the most part. And that's something that I can fix
on day one.

Speaker 3 (34:49):
Okay, Yeah, you've outlined your blueprint for justice, which includes,
you know, restoring the public's trust in the district attorney.
What do you think would be the biggest obstacle in
gaining the public's trust at this time point?

Speaker 6 (35:01):
You know, the public has seen a district attorney not
do his job for almost four years, so when I
would come in, they'd actually say, is he really going
to do his job? Is he really going to work
with his own prosecutors? Because the current DA actually has
had ninety eight percent of his prosecutors vote to support
his recall. That's shocking. The current DA isn't working with

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law enforcement at all. There are tens of thousands of
ausers who demoralized. He's literally abandoned victims groups, So they're
all going to wonder is he going to actually do
his job? And I absolutely will. And then the group
that I'm really targeting, interestingly enough, are the criminals, because
I have to have the criminals understand if the lines
are back and the lines of the law, and they'll

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be consistently fairly and impartially enforced, and there's real consequences
on the other side. And my goal is not to
fill the prisons to the breaking point. That's the failure
of a criminal justice system. My goal is to deter
the criminals from committing the crimes in the first place,
there saving a whole lot of victims in the process.

Speaker 3 (36:02):
Yeah, I mean, you've definitely said in the past, if
there are more people in jail than there are now,
I failed. I believe in having strict laws and rules
so people think twice before committing the crimes. You've said this,
So I mean, I think a lot of people appreciate
that You've been very vocal when it comes to leniency
of sentencing over the past few years. What changes to
sentencing and prosecuting look like for you if you're elected.

Speaker 6 (36:24):
You know again, it's actually going back to enforcing the
laws on the books right now. The current district Attorney
put out nine special directives in his first day, first hour,
first email that said there were a whole bunch of
crimes and criminals that he will not prosecute even if
the facts are beyond a reasonable doubt need if the
law applies. When I go back, what I would do

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is get us away from an extreme decarceration policy, but
I don't replace it with a mass incarceration policy. Extremes
don't work. What I do is come down in the middle.
I call it the hard middle because you actually have
to do the work. You got to look at each
case individually, look at the defendant, the defendant's background, the
crime committed, the impact on the victim to determine who

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the true threats are to our public safety. Often repeat
offenders and need to be behind bars, and the ones
that aren't, like your first time non violent offender, still
has to pay a debt back to society they violate
society's laws. But the punishment can be something like community service,
help out your community. It can be restitution, pay it
back if you stole something. It can be a diversion program.

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So if you have a serious drug addiction, will give
you a choice. You can go to jail or you
can do an eighteen month rehab program that if you
get through one day at a time, a judge will
hand you a certificate and wipe your record clean of
that particular effense. That is the smart, reasonable, proportional, hard
middle solution to a lot of the problems we're facing.

Speaker 3 (37:52):
What do you think is the biggest factor affecting public
safety in LA right now?

Speaker 6 (37:57):
Right now, the biggest factor, I would say one of
the biggest contributing factors to public safety are the DA's
policies because law enfall. I'll give you an example of
law enforcement is going into a homeless encampment and they
see people literally shooting up in front of them with
meth heroin fentanyl. Right now, for the most part, they're
going to do nothing because the DA has said he

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doesn't enforce quality of life crimes. If they see vandalism
going on, they see low level violent crimes going on,
prostitution going on, the DA has said, we don't prosecute
these crimes. We don't prosecute disorderly conduct, we don't prosecute trespass.
So law enforcement keeps walking. The DA's office has to

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be part of the solution. Can't do it by himself,
by the way, He's got to work with social service organizations, nonprofits.
But law enforcement has to be part of the solution
because without being part of the solution, you're basically condemning
these people on the street eventually to die.

Speaker 3 (38:54):
Well, what about when they get out of jail. What
are you going to do to help people get back
on their feet after they've been released.

Speaker 6 (39:00):
Question? And here's what I believe a DA actually has
to do. I'm going to call it the before, the during,
and the after rolls of the DA. Let me actually
start with before. The DA's office has to get into
the schools. We're talking fifth grade middle school, high school,
with law enforcement and even with people who got out
of jail or prison, to tell these kids what's about

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to come. They're going to have important decisions that they
are going to make in their young lives. Two paths
they can go down, and often they don't hear about
the consequences of making bad decisions before they make the decisions.
DA's office has to be involved in the before. The
during is this hard middle approach of reasonable accountability for
crimes committed, but the after is just as important. Right now,

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the recidivism rate in Los Angeles, that's the rate at
which people get out of prison, commit a new crime
and are back in prison within two years, is over
fifty percent. Why because we are not teaching prisoners and
giving them a productive skill set while in prison. So
a program that I saw is called the Last Mile.
It's the Lastmile dot org. The reason I support it

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is that it teaches coding skills to prisoners, like website design.
It helps them actually get their first job when they
get out. And while the recidivism rate in LA County
is over fifty percent, the recidivism rate for graduates of
the Last Mile program in prison that then get out
is less than one percent, So it.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
Seems like you're going to meet the DA's office under you,
it's going to be working very closely with law enforcement,
is what I'm hearing.

Speaker 6 (40:29):
With law enforcement, with victims, with the public, with community groups. Again,
what you might see too much of me if I'm
actually the DA, you might get sick of seeing me.
Because I believe that the DA's role is to get
out there to explain what's going on to the public,
to make sure they understand the decision making behind these
important criminal justice decisions. And then I receive the feedback

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back that hopefully, if something is going right, we'll scale it.
If it's going wrong, we'll pivot. The current district Attorney
has double and triple down on policies that are not working,
and therein lies one of the greatest problems that he
has visited upon the system.

Speaker 3 (41:09):
I think that's what people would appreciate, is like face
to FaceTime. You know when that comes to a lot
of politicians, we don't get face to FaceTime, So seeing
you out there would be very beneficial.

Speaker 7 (41:19):
But when it comes to things that the.

Speaker 3 (41:20):
Current district attorney has done, do you like any of
the things or would you make, what would you make
better that he's like already doing.

Speaker 6 (41:28):
So let me give you an example. The current dissident
attorney has a conviction integrity unit. That's a unit that
looks to see if there's actually innocent people in prison. Now,
he didn't come up with that idea. Actually, his predecessor,
Jackie Lacey, came up with that idea in twenty fifteen.
He basically just renamed it but continued it. I would

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continue that as because my background, I've spent thirty four
years in the criminal justice system. Ten of it is
a prosecutor, but twenty four of it is a defense attorney,
fighting the government every single day on behalf of my clients.
And so if there's a factually innocent person that's in
prison today, I would work incredibly hard to get them
out immediately. So I would continue that unit. He also

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has a resentencing unit. Certainly continue that. He has a
unit that's looking at police officers for abuse of their
position where certain inappropriate officer involved shootings. I've actually brought
those cases when I was a prosecutor. I went after
a deputy sheriff that was stealing drugs, guns and money
from a drug dealer. I and a team of prosecutors

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went after sixteen of them. In fact, Denzel Washington's movie
Training Days was based in part of these type of prosecutions,
and we convicted them all. I have no tolerance whatsoever
for law enforcement that violates the rules and commits crimes.
But I also recognized, because I've been the co head
of the LA Sheriff's Foundation, that the overwhelming number of

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law enforcement officers, when the bullets are flying in a building,
they're running into the building to keep us safe. Those
officers deserve our respect, our admiration, and if I'm a DA,
our partnership.

Speaker 3 (43:06):
Okay, what do you have to say to your critics?
What do you want them to know about you?

Speaker 6 (43:11):
You know my critics would be George Gascon, the current DA,
and I must say he is lying repeatedly about what
I stand for. Let me give you two examples. He
says that Nathan Hackman wants to reinstitute the mass incarceration
policies and lock up every black and Latino person in
Los Angeles County. Nothing could be further from the truth.

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And every time he says that, I hope his nose
grows another inch or we call him George Gaslight gascon
because that's exactly what he's doing. You've heard today what
my policies would be. I have said them consistently for years.
That hard, middle common sense approach of accountability. That is
rejection of mass incarceration. He also says, because he can't

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run on his experience, because he is I have thirty
four years of criminal justice experience. He has never personally
prosecuted or defended a single case in his entire career.
So let's give him a zero for experience, thirty four
years for Hawkman. He's not running on experience. His record
of public safety is a record of public safety failure.

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The California Department of Justice came out with his statistics
for his first four years now shockingly, violent crime up
double digits, property crime double digits, hate crimes double digits,
fen in all poisonings will kill more eighteen to thirty
five year olds than anything out there, and we are
the capital of human trafficking. That is a record of
public safety failures. So what is he running on. He's

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trying to politicize the race. He's trying to divide us.
He's trying to say this is democrats versus a former Republican.
So here's my personal political journey, so you have it.
First twenty years, I was a Democrat registered Democrat. Next
twenty years, I was a centrist Republican. And by the way,
I've been a centrist my whole life. I voted for
the person of the party every election. But this election

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I decide register as an independent. So I wanted to
send a strong message to the voters that that's how
I'll run the DA's office. Gascon runs it with not
based on the facts of the law, but his personal
political agenda. I'm going to remove politics from the office
and run it independently. And Gascon's political journey, interestingly, is

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that he spent his first thirty eight years as a
Republican and his next thirteen as a Democrat. So to
show you how idiotic this argument is or irrelevant as
it comes to people's safety. When he says it's a
Democrat versus a former Republican, I guess he's referring to
himself as the former Republican because he's been a former
Republican almost twice as long in his life as I have.

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And I've been a Democrat in my life almost twice
as long as he has. But to show you how
dumb his argument it is, I'll ask you this. Criminals
don't ask for your party affiliation before they robb or
they kill you, and victims shouldn't be asked for their
party affiliation before a DA wants to help them as
I would. I'm going to help everybody. George Gascon wants

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to divide us, and shame on him for fueling that
debate of division instead of talking about safety and how
he's going to keep all of us safe.

Speaker 3 (46:12):
Yeah, you sound like somebody who really really cares about
the people. What do you want everyone to know about
your character? And why would you vote for you?

Speaker 6 (46:19):
You know, the reason I'm doing this job is because
you know, it's not just about me or my family.
But I look at the people I've actually had the
opportunity to meet over the last year and a half running.
I look at store owners where I've met them either
in East Los Angeles, Crenshaw, Sam pige Ro, Long Beach

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up in Santa Clarita, who're telling me that they don't
want to do anymore because they don't even call the
police when someone shoplifts because the police have said the
DA won't bring the case. They're losing their life savings
and they're desperate. They want some change. I talk to
parents that have lost sons and daughters from fence and
all poisoning, and they look at the current DA and say,

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why aren't you doing something about these poisoners. They're murderers essentially.
They're basically putting counterfeit pills that they know have lethal
doses offense at all, and they're selling them and the
people are dying. And we're talking people across every dimension, poor, rich, black, white, Asian, Latino,
every religion out there. Where's George Gascon missing in action,

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hate crimes? Why can't he go ahead and tell the
hate criminals here are the lines. If you violate them,
we're going to put you in jail. So if you
want to go ahead and shut down a freeway or
shut down an airport, or vandalize a college campus. When
words turn into a legal action, the DA needs to
support the words and make sure you want to scream

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to your heart's content. You have the right and it's protected.
But if it turns into a legal action, that's where
the DA comes in and says that will not be tolerated.
In our society. So all these reasons, all these problems
that are out there, you heard my skill set. I
have a fairly unique skill set, and I'm at the
point in life right now where it's really important for

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me to give back. I've had enormous privileges, privileges to
grow up here in Los Angeles. I came from a
family that it was just too wonderful. Parents, a brother,
and two sisters that really emphasize giving back. In fact,
my dad used to say, giving back to your community
is not optional, it is a responsibility. In fact, I
come from the Jewish faith, and he said to me,

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he says, the Jewish, the Hebrew word for charity doesn't
mean charity. The word is sadanka. It means justice. And
the idea is that the more good deeds, the more
charitable deeds you do, the more just you are making society.
So this is my opportunity to hopefully give back to society,
to fix a broken district attorney's office, restore our safety,

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and leave a better place for you, my family, your family,
everybody listening today, so that county, which is amazing, can
go back to being amazing.

Speaker 7 (49:04):
Thank you so much for that.

Speaker 3 (49:05):
Well, I have to say, I did talk to your
opponent and he listens to Kiss FM.

Speaker 7 (49:09):
So do you listen to kiss FM? Tell me about
your music taste?

Speaker 6 (49:13):
Okay, So I do listen to kiss FM, but I'm
old school. I listen. I've listened to Kiss FM probably
since the eighties.

Speaker 7 (49:21):
Wow.

Speaker 6 (49:22):
Okay, And so sadly my my music taste probably is
much more old school as well. You know, I knew
you were going to ask me about my playlist because
sadly I listened to podcasts, probably even more than music.
But the last concert I saw was an Ed Sheering concert.

Speaker 7 (49:40):
Oh wow, I love Eden.

Speaker 6 (49:42):
So you know he's probably right now. My Spotify it's
just you know, hey, Spotify play Ed Sheeran and every
everybody who sounds like Ed Sheeran, so you listen to
a lot of Ed Sheering people who love Ed Sheeran
as well. Okay, But again I tend towards the classics, classics.

Speaker 3 (50:00):
It's not really a pop guy, just except for its here,
but like mainly classic.

Speaker 6 (50:04):
Okay. Well, I have a twenty three year old daughter,
I have a twenty five year old SIGN and a
twenty seven year old Sign and they what they play.
I have no idea. I like it, but they literally
get in my car, take over the music and I'm
listening to stuff that sounds great.

Speaker 7 (50:20):
But I couldn't pop some rap in there too. It
was probably all over the place.

Speaker 6 (50:24):
Oh. They they're the eclectic ones. They would like to
be answering that question. They could go on for hours.

Speaker 7 (50:31):
Oh my goodness.

Speaker 3 (50:31):
Well, when you're a home on the weekends with your kids,
what are you guys usually doing?

Speaker 6 (50:35):
You know what? We'll do everything from walking my wonderful
labradoodle a lou His name is actually l I e
U because we got him in lieu of having a
life during the pandemic and he's ad a sixty five
year old, sixty five pound beautiful labradoodle. You know, we'll
go out for to get a bite to eat, anything

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with a racket, so I play tennis, paddle, tennis, ball.
Now you know, I've played every racket sport out there,
so we'll do that. Got to catch movies usually, you know,
we'll hit the Netflix, huluis Amazon at home and just
hang out.

Speaker 7 (51:12):
Okay, favorite place to go in LA with the family, with.

Speaker 6 (51:17):
The family, I mean, my default is always the beach. Okay,
I mean it's a favorite beach, you know what. I
live close to Santa Monica Beach, and so if you
go to Santa Monica Beach after about five o'clock, particularly
not during the summer. So if you hit fall, winter,
even spring, you pretty much have the beach by yourself.
It is why I live in Los Angeles that I can,

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you know, fifteen well, depending on traffic, fifteen to forty
five minutes after I get in my car, I'm literally
got my feet in the sand, you know, watching the
water in the waves.

Speaker 7 (51:48):
That's beautiful.

Speaker 6 (51:49):
That's as nice as you catch. Well.

Speaker 3 (51:51):
Thank you, Nathan so much for sitting with me before
we go. Any last words for.

Speaker 6 (51:55):
Everyone, Do you know what this is an incredibly important
election the DA I mean, we're going to have a
president on the ballot, that the Senate on the ballot.
But there's no position that will affect your safety more
immediately than the district attorney. Literally, the district attorney turns
out to be a governing body of one person not
answering to the governor, the attorney general, the mayor, the

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city council or the board of supervisors, the sheriff of
the police chief. It's that powerful position. You're in charge
of one hundred and eighty thousand criminal cases, twenty one
hundred employees, and a four hundred and sixty million dollar budget.
So what I'd strongly ask people to do is vote.
The ballots are actually going to be arriving the week
of October eighth, and they'll be in the mail everyone

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who's registered, to make sure you register. Everyone who's register
gets a ballot, and then you got to vote. This
is too important a race to stay on the sidelines,
too important to relays to complain about it on the sidelines.
This is people have wanted to raise their voice against
the current DA. You had two recall attempts that didn't
make it to the ballot, but now it's on the ballot.

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So if everybody votes, you know, that is my fervent
wish for everybody listening to this.

Speaker 7 (53:07):
Okay, thank you so much. Where can we find all
of your information?

Speaker 6 (53:10):
It's Nathanhockman dot com and Hawkman is ho C H
M A N. And we are on all the social
media including TikTok, which my daughter is the social media
manager at the time. Gotten on. Very exciting. Again, I
know I'm too old school, but I can do a
fifteen thirty or forty five second video with nobody like

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nobody's business.

Speaker 3 (53:32):
I like him, I like him. Well, thank you Nathan
so much for sitting with me.

Speaker 6 (53:38):
Oh my pleasure. Thank you.

Speaker 7 (53:39):
Have a good one.

Speaker 4 (53:40):
All right.

Speaker 3 (53:40):
That was Nathan Hakman running for district attorney. You can
watch the entire video on our YouTube channel. The link
will be at kissfm dot com slash in the now. So, yeah,
Nathan Hakman. That's it for us today. Make sure you
subscribe to our YouTube channel. That's where all of my
interviews with these candidates are. Please take the time to
just like read about them, read their policies. I link

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all of their websites if you want to learn more. Also, again,
Collette got her ballot, you should have got yours?

Speaker 4 (54:07):
Or what is it called the book?

Speaker 5 (54:08):
It's the h let's see here the general election official
voter information.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
You just got that.

Speaker 5 (54:15):
I just got mine. So now I'm reading through it.
It's a little thick, but it's important.

Speaker 4 (54:19):
You gotta read through. You gotta know what you're voting for.

Speaker 3 (54:21):
Yeah, so everybody please check their mail. Yeah, thank you
guys so much for listening. Can follow me on socials
at Kayla Thomas forty.

Speaker 4 (54:27):
I'm Collette Underscore Hubert Collet spelled with one L.

Speaker 3 (54:29):
Two t's, and I am at. It's Emily Sclar. We'll
talk to you next week.

Speaker 4 (54:34):
Bye,