July 15, 2025 • 21 mins
Nick talks about restoration hardware, tipping, and talks with Grammy winning singer/songwriter Rob Thomas
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
I still speaking that that should not have made it
to the rest of us. This is inside thoughts.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Jordan check check check. Welcome back to inside Thoughts.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Appreciate you uh taking the time to listen clicking the button.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Hope you're doing good.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
I hope you're enjoying your life, because if if you
look too far outside of.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Your own life, it just starts getting insane.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Like I don't know if you're keeping up with the news,
but it's getting wild, Like we've gotten way too idle dependent,
like to focus on famous people, like on a big scale,
the whole Epstein thing. Now there's files. Last week there's
no files, and they're like, actually we found the files. Obama
made the files. And I'm like, Okay, this guy's lying
(00:57):
like crazy, but whatever. And so you know, I got
family that you know, some of them are super Republicans.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
I wanted to ask. I was like, hey, uh, so
did you hear about this? What do you think you
think he's guilty.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
I'm not gonna say who it is, but he was
just like, I mean, here's the thing. I don't think
that everybody that went to the island participated, you know,
I just I think they were there to hang out.
Just think they were hanging out, you know who I
do think did something though, Bill Clinton and Bill Gates.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
I don't know why. I just have a feeling they did. Like,
come on, they all did it, dude. Now, my guy,
my guy didn't.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
He's a good guy in this story, getting like two
two focused on famous people. Man walk away and like
I get it a little bit, you know, like I
like Lebron James, but if I found out Lebron James
was doing terrible things to children, guess what, I'm not
Lebron James anymore. And I want him to go to jail,
that's the thing. But that doesn't like have an effect
(02:05):
on me as a person. Not gonna be able to
wear my lebrons while I'm playing basketball anymore.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
That's about it. No, no, no, my guy didn't do it.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Getting too focused on famous people, and that's just like
that's on a big scale. On a smaller scale like this,
this pissed me off. Was you know, checking my emails
and Chase Bank sent me an email saying.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Joe Jonas shares his favorite dining spots and secret for
easily splitting the check with Zel.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
I don't care what Joe Jonas is doing bro. That's
not even the best Jonas brother.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
First of all.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Secondly, why are you sending me this? Because their marketing
research has found out that that works. Whatever they're trying
to sell me. I already have Zel by the way,
I use Zel. It does work well. But they're trying
to get more people to use it, and they found
out that people can people believe in Joe Jonas.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
I don't know why, but like they just they know, well.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
He's famous, he's Jonas. All right, we're gonna start this
Zell campaign with him. That that's where we're at.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
It's ridiculous, man, just like I'm trying to trying to
focus on my little world, even like my world's getting
messed up though, you know what I mean. Like I
like Jurassic Park. I'm driving down the street and I
see this billboard that says scratch your Way into Adventure
(03:38):
or dig your Way into Adventure, and it's Jurassic Park
themed lottery tickets.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Because they know.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
The people that like Jurassic Park when they were kids,
people that are my age are now old enough to
buy lottery tickets, so do I. Yeah, here's how we're
gonna get these dumb bastards. They really like dinosaurs. Yeah, well,
we know that they're gonna be buying lottery scratch off
tickets because the Venn diagram of intelligence is pretty close.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
I like dinosaurs and I like being a millionaire.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
You're not gonna see either of those things in your lifetime, pal,
but you can dig your way into adventure.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
With a Jurassic Park scratch off ticket.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
So crazy, it's like, what are they gonna do next?
Gonna get blues clues cigarettes? We are looking for blues
clues because we like to smoke.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
That's what.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Like, they're gonna start taking everything from your childhood when
you get old enough to participate in that vice.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
That's how they're gonna market it. Like, is there no
shame anymore?
Speaker 3 (04:50):
It's crazy, speaking of no shame, Me and Me and
Ames went out to this, uh this like wine furniture.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
It's called restoration hardware.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
It's weird, Like, I don't I don't understand the business
model behind it. They're like, hey, y'all, what if we
sold twenty thousand dollars couches and also food and bottles
of wine?
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Is that cool with everybody? Yup? That's good. You want
to get Joe Jonas to advertise it. No, but we
went in this place. It looks super cool.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
It looks like, you know, you're walking into like a
European mansion or something. Should be on MTV cribs. But
me names are hanging out, you know, having a glass
of wine. Big wine guy. Now I'm a Simalion, I
know all about wine. We're having wine and these people
like we're walking around checking out the place. And we
walk around this one corner outside in a public place,
(05:48):
mind you, and there are these two people just going
to town making out and they weren't like It's one
thing if you see like you know, middle school or
high school kids doing it, you know what I mean,
because you're like, oh they I mean, first of all,
what are they doing at a you know, alcoholic furniture store.
(06:09):
I have some questions files no, stop it. But you know,
like you understand that kind of aggressive PDA like when
you're in middle school or high school or whatever, because
you oh, yeah, our parents aren't watching, let's do it.
But as an adult you're like, hey, yeah, we we
(06:29):
all did that, you know, when we were kids. But
other adults don't want to see that shit, you know,
what I mean. And so we're like, ugh, turn away
walk and they like, you know, waited a couple Mississippi
to see if they'd stop because it was just like
us walking in there outside into this you know, patio area,
so they had to have seen us walk back over.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
They're still going at it. Just no shame. And here's
the thing that like even made me more mad.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
They were ugly people. I'm sorry Amy didn't like that one.
I like, here's the thing. If you're gonna do that,
if you're gonna put on an exhibition, look like you
need to be putting on an exhibition. Okay, you don't
see me entering Hyke contest. You want to watch some
short as shit, I'm not gonna be you know, hey,
(07:19):
I'm the tallest guy that everybody wants to sit.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
No, I'm not. I'm short.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
If you look like you just came out of your
mom's basement for the first time, don't be Just going
to town on another human being makes me sick.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
I don't want to see it. Nick, that's insensitive. That's me.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Okay, then you look at him. I'm not doing it.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
It's gross.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
But you know, went out had fun going out though
in general is just it's getting tougher. Like life's already
expensive because you know, you walk outside and you breathe
and it costs forty dollars somehow. But everywhere now, I
(08:01):
mean it's been like this for like the past year,
but every like the tip things getting out of control.
Just tipping has just gotten out of control. Like I
get at a restaurant or you know, like if somebody's
helping you move or doing something above and beyond, yeah
(08:21):
give them a tip. But like you know, the laundromat,
what am I tipping you for? Bro, That's included in
the price.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
But we got tip everywhere because you know, people running
the companies.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
Companies are like, we're not gonna pay our employees, so
you have to.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
And I have to overtip when we go out because
people hear Amy being all British. Now I'm trying to
stop stereotypes because you know, Europeans they don't tip.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Hey, this is my podcast, Ames came it or tip
or tip all the time. I'm just going to mind
about it.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
No, but Europeans on tip because that's like you go
over there and everybody, yeah, ten percent's not a tip. Okay,
that's like throwing nickels at somebody. They can't hear you
on the microphone. She's complaining, saying.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
You Europeans tip, we just tipped ten percent.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Yeah, that's like when a homeless person's asking you for
food and you're like, yeah, all I got two cents,
bro here you go. It's like it would have been
better if you just didn't give them anything. But anyway,
like Europeans, they don't have the same culture because the
places they work actually provide them with enough money for
just working to do that job to where they can
(09:43):
afford where they live and rent.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Like when I when I was a you know, when
I was a waiter.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Anytime you get a table seated, you walk over and
you hear a German accent, You're.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Like, I'm not getting I'm not ma making any money
off this table.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Germans, I think do it on purpose, Like I'll give
most of europe of past, like French and German people,
I feel like they just don't tip out of spite.
So you want me to tip for what you brought
me my food, You're of my servant boy, Get out
of you anyway, Like I just going going out, especially
(10:28):
trying to stop stereotypes being the good person that I am.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
It gets expensive.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
This is your people's fault, Ames.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
So you know you can't go out all the time.
You gotta stay inside and you have to live vicariously
by watching TV shows about rich people. So, Ames, what's
your favorite TV show about rich people? Yeah, there's so many.
The one she's been watching is the whole of Mormonia.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
What is it?
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Secret Wives of Mormon See Secret Wives of Mormon Wives. Yeah,
Ames calls it Horrores of Mormonia.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
I'll walk in from she said, don't tell people.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
I say that.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Actually nobody listens to you a podcast anyway.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
So yeah, I'll come home from work. I'll be like,
what are you watching? She was like, Horores of Mormonia.
So a couple of times I've like set down to
watch this, but I can't because Ames gets mad at
me for laughing at how stupid it is. Like they
were doing this reunion episode, and first of all, it's
just so ridiculous because they say they're Mormon, like they're
(11:40):
all super religious and Mormon, but they just act like
the biggest pieces of shit. So they're like, no, no,
we're religious and we're good people. But also, I'm a
conniving human being and all I care about is money
and fame. It's like, well, then you're not really religious.
But anyway, so before this, you know reunion episode where
(12:02):
everything hits the fan, they're doing this prayer and the
one guy's like, God.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Please protect us in Jesus' name, I'm in.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Then the next scene is you cheating on me with
my best friend. It's like, oh, okay, that's what this
show is about. This one girl goes like they were
asking her, like all these questions about her relationship with
her ex husband or something, and she was like, I
told my husband everything. I was a great wife for
(12:33):
six years. And then the host was like, didn't you
cheat on him? Did you tell him that? And she goes, well,
I told him everything except for the last two months
of our marriage. It's like, okay, so you didn't tell
him everything. But they try to act like good people.
It's like saying you read a book when you listen
to somebody read a book on an audio book. You
don't say you played an instrument when you listen to music.
You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (12:54):
That was the great what You're a bad person, so stupid.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Also, I forgot to mention at the beginning of the podcast.
I have an interview this week Rob Thomas from Matchbox
twenty and also Rob Thomas, So there you go, got
that coming up. Let's uh, let's get your headline of
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the week and then get out of here. I'm normally
never on the side of Floridians because they're normally on
the wrong side of history. But this one, I I
gotta be honest, I'm on their side. A Florida woman
was arrested after spending the four hundred thousand dollars her
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job accidentally overpaid her. She claimed she thought it was
a bonus for her work as a receptionist. Okay, you
don't have to lie, just say they messed up, and
now that should be my money because I have all
for a lot of my bills. If I accidentally like
go in there and try and like make a payment
(14:05):
before with the auto pay, they still take the money out.
It doesn't matter. Now I go, can I get that back?
And they go, nope, you just paid us. That's what happens.
Nana and a boo boo stickch face and doo doo,
that's what they do. But if a corporation makes a
clerical error and gives you four hundred thousand dollars. You
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got to give that back for what you messed up. Finders, keepers, losers, weepers.
When did that stop working in society? I feel like
that's when we started to crumble as a people. I'm
just saying, all right, been talking long enough. Let's get
into this interview with Grammy Award winning singer songwriter Rob Thomas.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
What's going on, Roby?
Speaker 1 (14:49):
How's it going?
Speaker 3 (14:50):
It's going great, man, probably not as good as you though.
You got a big summer coming up, you got a
new album coming out, a tour kicking off.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
What are we more excited about?
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Oh? Man? You know, it's all the loop. You know,
like you write a song and then you want to
record that song, and then you want to see people's
reaction to that song. So you feel like once you
do the tour, you close out that loop and then
you can move on to the next thing.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
I got you Well, I mean, you've been killing it
for so long, Like where do you keep drawing inspiration from?
Because like, I feel like most of the time when
people make it and they get to the level you're at,
they're like, well, I got nothing else to talk about?
How do you keep doing it?
Speaker 1 (15:25):
I mean, I think most of my life's pretty normal.
You know, like everybody, everybody, no matter what they're doing,
is pretty much probably experiencing a lot of the same
things as they get older, as they you know, as
they have kids, as they they have marriages, and so
I think if you write about people and people's experiences,
those things don't really change that much. Like I never
got a point where I started writing about being on
the road or I started writing about you know, like
(15:47):
a station in life. It was more just about you know,
my experiences with people.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
I gotcha, that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
So what, like, what are your favorite parts of this
new album All Night Days? Like, is it just going
off the title of the album. Is it more introspective
and like kind of sad or is it like getting
out of the situation?
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Explain All Night Days to me?
Speaker 1 (16:08):
No, Well, you know, all My Days was just a
reference to a conversation i'd have with someone when we
talked about staying out all night and I was wondering
if my All Night Days were over. And you know,
I think overall it's a pretty positive, upbeat record. Okay, Like,
you know, I find it When I was younger, I
had a lot more angst than me, right, you know
(16:30):
what I mean, Like you're trying to work through it.
You're just angry about everything, and so you were just
like a her And then you know, as you get
a little older, you start to be able to write
about the things you appreciate in life as well.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Well, that's a good perspective shift to have, because you know,
it's definitely Also I'm excited to listen to it cause
I'm thirty two and my girlfriend and I are definitely
running out of our all night days. So yeah, I'm
excited to hear this one.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Well, I mean, there's any perspective you were two years
old when the first Matchbox twenty record came out.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
That's insane to think about. I mean, I like, I remember,
because you know, I was born in ninety two. I
came up, you know when Matchbox twenty was just like
one of the biggest things in music in the late
nineties early two thousands. What is like the weirdest place
that you've heard one of your songs playing, Because you've
(17:23):
been doing it so long, you had to be like
out at the grocery store or something where you're like, hey,
wait a second, that's that's me.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Yeah, I mean you know that that happens a lot.
Like I live in this town here in Benford, New York,
and the amount of times and I'm just like strolling
through the grocery store myself playing and like you know,
people passed me and like ah, just like looking at
pent into ceiling like a check that out.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
They start singing along with you or just give you
like a hey, come on do it.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
You're like, dude, I'm just getting some apples.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
I've had a little of both, but you know, the
things that give me the mersey on Nick. It's like
like one time, I'm walking through the city, this guy
comes to, you know, and he's like, hey, man, I
love your music. Man, like, thanks a lot, and it
turns the guy next to him and he goes, that's
the guy's in the wallflowers.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
I got close. Not not though, but thank you.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
I'll take it.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
That's awesome.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Bad So I gotta ask because you know, you're you're
still performing at the top level, but like not to
say like you already made it, but there's a lot
of artists out right now that are trying to figure
out how to do it. And the music industry has changed,
the way we get contents changed. If you or Matchbox
twenty were starting out today in the era of like
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TikTok and streaming, what what's your way of going about
doing it? Are you posting content videos all the time?
Are you weaken songs? Are you doing flash mobs?
Speaker 2 (18:49):
What? What are you going for?
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Yeah? I mean, you know, it's a hard thing to grasp,
right Like my son is twenty seven. He actually plays
in my band, that's what he has his own band, Lucky,
And you know, like they're twitch streaming and you know,
and like I go to I go to his house
and he's just got a camera there whether they're barbecue,
and I'm like, what are you doing? He's like, no,
people are watching this, I swear to God. So, like,
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I mean, it's you know, it's a hard thing, like
to do it today. Thirty years in this business doesn't
necessarily equip me with the skill set that I would
need if I was starting out right now.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
So are you happy that you did it when you
did it?
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Yeah? You know, I mean, without sounding like an old guy,
I mean because in truth, there's so much about right now,
the access that that people have, the music, the choice.
They have to be able to play whatever they want,
whenever they want. Those things are pretty incredible and I
would have loved that when I was a kid. But
we came out at what we call the last good time, right,
you know, that last period of the when when the
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music business was still basically the same thing that it
was in the fifties, where you start a band, you
play live, some guy from a label comes and sees you,
and if he signed you, you make a record, you know,
and it just kind of it was a It was
a process that was tried and true until one day
it just got, you know, shook up. So it was
nice to be able to be a part of something
that now ancient history.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
I catch you. That's awesome though.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
All right, you got the tour coming here to Indy
at ever wise August twenty second. We're super excited. I
just want to ask you one more question before I
let you get out of here. What's a day in
the life of Rob Thomas? Like, when you're not focusing
on music, What hobbies you got, favorite food you got?
Are you on Twitch with your son now?
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Or what are you doing?
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Ha haha?
Speaker 1 (20:35):
No, I'm fortunately man. I mean I don't know if
it's unfortunate, but most of my hobbies will still just
revolve around music. That's not fair because I'm between Maxbox
and solo. I'm like, if I'm not recording something, then
I'm usually writing something other than that. I love up
here in a really nice community. My wife and I
just like to, you know, just to be and chill
with our friends up here.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
That's awesome.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
And you know, I mean, this is probably the reason
why you've been doing it for thirty years and doing
it at a high level. You're you're centered around everything
you got to do and constantly creating and writing, So
that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Yeah, I mean, I think I think that's that's where
you gotta be because it's the most exciting thing. Like that,
the idea of like creating a new song that somebody
someone might you know, make that a part of their
nostalgia one day. That's a that's a pretty cool thing,
is I said. By the way, I do I have
a new thing that that drafts today. You pick it
up on Spotify or or hear it on your station.
(21:29):
Hard to Be.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Happy, Hard to Be Happy. We're all gonna go stream it.
We're gonna get on Twitch and listen to it and watch.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
My son barbecue.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
We'll go do all that, Rob, I really appreciate you
taking the time to talk to me. If I told
eight year old me that I'd be talking to Rob
Thomas from Matchbox twenty, he'd lose his mind.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
So I appreciate you taking the time.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Bro, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Thank you, brother, money money for money for money,
I still speaking that that should not have made it
to the rest of us. This is inside thoughts.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Jordan check check check. Welcome back to inside Thoughts.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Appreciate you uh taking the time to listen clicking the button.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Hope you're doing good.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
I hope you're enjoying your life, because if if you
look too far outside of.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Your own life, it just starts getting insane.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Like I don't know if you're keeping up with the news,
but it's getting wild, Like we've gotten way too idle dependent,
like to focus on famous people, like on a big scale,
the whole Epstein thing. Now there's files. Last week there's
no files, and they're like, actually we found the files. Obama
made the files. And I'm like, Okay, this guy's lying
(00:57):
like crazy, but whatever. And so you know, I got
family that you know, some of them are super Republicans.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
I wanted to ask. I was like, hey, uh, so
did you hear about this? What do you think you
think he's guilty.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
I'm not gonna say who it is, but he was
just like, I mean, here's the thing. I don't think
that everybody that went to the island participated, you know,
I just I think they were there to hang out.
Just think they were hanging out, you know who I
do think did something though, Bill Clinton and Bill Gates.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
I don't know why. I just have a feeling they did. Like,
come on, they all did it, dude. Now, my guy,
my guy didn't.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
He's a good guy in this story, getting like two
two focused on famous people. Man walk away and like
I get it a little bit, you know, like I
like Lebron James, but if I found out Lebron James
was doing terrible things to children, guess what, I'm not
Lebron James anymore. And I want him to go to jail,
that's the thing. But that doesn't like have an effect
(02:05):
on me as a person. Not gonna be able to
wear my lebrons while I'm playing basketball anymore.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
That's about it. No, no, no, my guy didn't do it.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Getting too focused on famous people, and that's just like
that's on a big scale. On a smaller scale like this,
this pissed me off. Was you know, checking my emails
and Chase Bank sent me an email saying.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Joe Jonas shares his favorite dining spots and secret for
easily splitting the check with Zel.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
I don't care what Joe Jonas is doing bro. That's
not even the best Jonas brother.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
First of all.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Secondly, why are you sending me this? Because their marketing
research has found out that that works. Whatever they're trying
to sell me. I already have Zel by the way,
I use Zel. It does work well. But they're trying
to get more people to use it, and they found
out that people can people believe in Joe Jonas.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
I don't know why, but like they just they know, well.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
He's famous, he's Jonas. All right, we're gonna start this
Zell campaign with him. That that's where we're at.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
It's ridiculous, man, just like I'm trying to trying to
focus on my little world, even like my world's getting
messed up though, you know what I mean. Like I
like Jurassic Park. I'm driving down the street and I
see this billboard that says scratch your Way into Adventure
(03:38):
or dig your Way into Adventure, and it's Jurassic Park
themed lottery tickets.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Because they know.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
The people that like Jurassic Park when they were kids,
people that are my age are now old enough to
buy lottery tickets, so do I. Yeah, here's how we're
gonna get these dumb bastards. They really like dinosaurs. Yeah, well,
we know that they're gonna be buying lottery scratch off
tickets because the Venn diagram of intelligence is pretty close.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
I like dinosaurs and I like being a millionaire.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
You're not gonna see either of those things in your lifetime, pal,
but you can dig your way into adventure.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
With a Jurassic Park scratch off ticket.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
So crazy, it's like, what are they gonna do next?
Gonna get blues clues cigarettes? We are looking for blues
clues because we like to smoke.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
That's what.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Like, they're gonna start taking everything from your childhood when
you get old enough to participate in that vice.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
That's how they're gonna market it. Like, is there no
shame anymore?
Speaker 3 (04:50):
It's crazy, speaking of no shame, Me and Me and
Ames went out to this, uh this like wine furniture.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
It's called restoration hardware.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
It's weird, Like, I don't I don't understand the business
model behind it. They're like, hey, y'all, what if we
sold twenty thousand dollars couches and also food and bottles
of wine?
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Is that cool with everybody? Yup? That's good. You want
to get Joe Jonas to advertise it. No, but we
went in this place. It looks super cool.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
It looks like, you know, you're walking into like a
European mansion or something. Should be on MTV cribs. But
me names are hanging out, you know, having a glass
of wine. Big wine guy. Now I'm a Simalion, I
know all about wine. We're having wine and these people
like we're walking around checking out the place. And we
walk around this one corner outside in a public place,
(05:48):
mind you, and there are these two people just going
to town making out and they weren't like It's one
thing if you see like you know, middle school or
high school kids doing it, you know what I mean,
because you're like, oh they I mean, first of all,
what are they doing at a you know, alcoholic furniture store.
(06:09):
I have some questions files no, stop it. But you know,
like you understand that kind of aggressive PDA like when
you're in middle school or high school or whatever, because
you oh, yeah, our parents aren't watching, let's do it.
But as an adult you're like, hey, yeah, we we
(06:29):
all did that, you know, when we were kids. But
other adults don't want to see that shit, you know,
what I mean. And so we're like, ugh, turn away
walk and they like, you know, waited a couple Mississippi
to see if they'd stop because it was just like
us walking in there outside into this you know, patio area,
so they had to have seen us walk back over.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
They're still going at it. Just no shame. And here's
the thing that like even made me more mad.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
They were ugly people. I'm sorry Amy didn't like that one.
I like, here's the thing. If you're gonna do that,
if you're gonna put on an exhibition, look like you
need to be putting on an exhibition. Okay, you don't
see me entering Hyke contest. You want to watch some
short as shit, I'm not gonna be you know, hey,
(07:19):
I'm the tallest guy that everybody wants to sit.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
No, I'm not. I'm short.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
If you look like you just came out of your
mom's basement for the first time, don't be Just going
to town on another human being makes me sick.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
I don't want to see it. Nick, that's insensitive. That's me.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Okay, then you look at him. I'm not doing it.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
It's gross.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
But you know, went out had fun going out though
in general is just it's getting tougher. Like life's already
expensive because you know, you walk outside and you breathe
and it costs forty dollars somehow. But everywhere now, I
(08:01):
mean it's been like this for like the past year,
but every like the tip things getting out of control.
Just tipping has just gotten out of control. Like I
get at a restaurant or you know, like if somebody's
helping you move or doing something above and beyond, yeah
(08:21):
give them a tip. But like you know, the laundromat,
what am I tipping you for? Bro, That's included in
the price.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
But we got tip everywhere because you know, people running
the companies.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
Companies are like, we're not gonna pay our employees, so
you have to.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
And I have to overtip when we go out because
people hear Amy being all British. Now I'm trying to
stop stereotypes because you know, Europeans they don't tip.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Hey, this is my podcast, Ames came it or tip
or tip all the time. I'm just going to mind
about it.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
No, but Europeans on tip because that's like you go
over there and everybody, yeah, ten percent's not a tip. Okay,
that's like throwing nickels at somebody. They can't hear you
on the microphone. She's complaining, saying.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
You Europeans tip, we just tipped ten percent.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Yeah, that's like when a homeless person's asking you for
food and you're like, yeah, all I got two cents,
bro here you go. It's like it would have been
better if you just didn't give them anything. But anyway,
like Europeans, they don't have the same culture because the
places they work actually provide them with enough money for
just working to do that job to where they can
(09:43):
afford where they live and rent.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Like when I when I was a you know, when
I was a waiter.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Anytime you get a table seated, you walk over and
you hear a German accent, You're.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Like, I'm not getting I'm not ma making any money
off this table.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Germans, I think do it on purpose, Like I'll give
most of europe of past, like French and German people,
I feel like they just don't tip out of spite.
So you want me to tip for what you brought
me my food, You're of my servant boy, Get out
of you anyway, Like I just going going out, especially
(10:28):
trying to stop stereotypes being the good person that I am.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
It gets expensive.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
This is your people's fault, Ames.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
So you know you can't go out all the time.
You gotta stay inside and you have to live vicariously
by watching TV shows about rich people. So, Ames, what's
your favorite TV show about rich people? Yeah, there's so many.
The one she's been watching is the whole of Mormonia.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
What is it?
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Secret Wives of Mormon See Secret Wives of Mormon Wives. Yeah,
Ames calls it Horrores of Mormonia.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
I'll walk in from she said, don't tell people.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
I say that.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Actually nobody listens to you a podcast anyway.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
So yeah, I'll come home from work. I'll be like,
what are you watching? She was like, Horores of Mormonia.
So a couple of times I've like set down to
watch this, but I can't because Ames gets mad at
me for laughing at how stupid it is. Like they
were doing this reunion episode, and first of all, it's
just so ridiculous because they say they're Mormon, like they're
(11:40):
all super religious and Mormon, but they just act like
the biggest pieces of shit. So they're like, no, no,
we're religious and we're good people. But also, I'm a
conniving human being and all I care about is money
and fame. It's like, well, then you're not really religious.
But anyway, so before this, you know reunion episode where
(12:02):
everything hits the fan, they're doing this prayer and the
one guy's like, God.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Please protect us in Jesus' name, I'm in.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Then the next scene is you cheating on me with
my best friend. It's like, oh, okay, that's what this
show is about. This one girl goes like they were
asking her, like all these questions about her relationship with
her ex husband or something, and she was like, I
told my husband everything. I was a great wife for
(12:33):
six years. And then the host was like, didn't you
cheat on him? Did you tell him that? And she goes, well,
I told him everything except for the last two months
of our marriage. It's like, okay, so you didn't tell
him everything. But they try to act like good people.
It's like saying you read a book when you listen
to somebody read a book on an audio book. You
don't say you played an instrument when you listen to music.
You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (12:54):
That was the great what You're a bad person, so stupid.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Also, I forgot to mention at the beginning of the podcast.
I have an interview this week Rob Thomas from Matchbox
twenty and also Rob Thomas, So there you go, got
that coming up. Let's uh, let's get your headline of
(13:23):
the week and then get out of here. I'm normally
never on the side of Floridians because they're normally on
the wrong side of history. But this one, I I
gotta be honest, I'm on their side. A Florida woman
was arrested after spending the four hundred thousand dollars her
(13:44):
job accidentally overpaid her. She claimed she thought it was
a bonus for her work as a receptionist. Okay, you
don't have to lie, just say they messed up, and
now that should be my money because I have all
for a lot of my bills. If I accidentally like
go in there and try and like make a payment
(14:05):
before with the auto pay, they still take the money out.
It doesn't matter. Now I go, can I get that back?
And they go, nope, you just paid us. That's what happens.
Nana and a boo boo stickch face and doo doo,
that's what they do. But if a corporation makes a
clerical error and gives you four hundred thousand dollars. You
(14:25):
got to give that back for what you messed up. Finders, keepers, losers, weepers.
When did that stop working in society? I feel like
that's when we started to crumble as a people. I'm
just saying, all right, been talking long enough. Let's get
into this interview with Grammy Award winning singer songwriter Rob Thomas.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
What's going on, Roby?
Speaker 1 (14:49):
How's it going?
Speaker 3 (14:50):
It's going great, man, probably not as good as you though.
You got a big summer coming up, you got a
new album coming out, a tour kicking off.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
What are we more excited about?
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Oh? Man? You know, it's all the loop. You know,
like you write a song and then you want to
record that song, and then you want to see people's
reaction to that song. So you feel like once you
do the tour, you close out that loop and then
you can move on to the next thing.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
I got you Well, I mean, you've been killing it
for so long, Like where do you keep drawing inspiration from?
Because like, I feel like most of the time when
people make it and they get to the level you're at,
they're like, well, I got nothing else to talk about?
How do you keep doing it?
Speaker 1 (15:25):
I mean, I think most of my life's pretty normal.
You know, like everybody, everybody, no matter what they're doing,
is pretty much probably experiencing a lot of the same
things as they get older, as they you know, as
they have kids, as they they have marriages, and so
I think if you write about people and people's experiences,
those things don't really change that much. Like I never
got a point where I started writing about being on
the road or I started writing about you know, like
(15:47):
a station in life. It was more just about you know,
my experiences with people.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
I gotcha, that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
So what, like, what are your favorite parts of this
new album All Night Days? Like, is it just going
off the title of the album. Is it more introspective
and like kind of sad or is it like getting
out of the situation?
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Explain All Night Days to me?
Speaker 1 (16:08):
No, Well, you know, all My Days was just a
reference to a conversation i'd have with someone when we
talked about staying out all night and I was wondering
if my All Night Days were over. And you know,
I think overall it's a pretty positive, upbeat record. Okay, Like,
you know, I find it When I was younger, I
had a lot more angst than me, right, you know
(16:30):
what I mean, Like you're trying to work through it.
You're just angry about everything, and so you were just
like a her And then you know, as you get
a little older, you start to be able to write
about the things you appreciate in life as well.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Well, that's a good perspective shift to have, because you know,
it's definitely Also I'm excited to listen to it cause
I'm thirty two and my girlfriend and I are definitely
running out of our all night days. So yeah, I'm
excited to hear this one.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Well, I mean, there's any perspective you were two years
old when the first Matchbox twenty record came out.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
That's insane to think about. I mean, I like, I remember,
because you know, I was born in ninety two. I
came up, you know when Matchbox twenty was just like
one of the biggest things in music in the late
nineties early two thousands. What is like the weirdest place
that you've heard one of your songs playing, Because you've
(17:23):
been doing it so long, you had to be like
out at the grocery store or something where you're like, hey,
wait a second, that's that's me.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Yeah, I mean you know that that happens a lot.
Like I live in this town here in Benford, New York,
and the amount of times and I'm just like strolling
through the grocery store myself playing and like you know,
people passed me and like ah, just like looking at
pent into ceiling like a check that out.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
They start singing along with you or just give you
like a hey, come on do it.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
You're like, dude, I'm just getting some apples.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
I've had a little of both, but you know, the
things that give me the mersey on Nick. It's like
like one time, I'm walking through the city, this guy
comes to, you know, and he's like, hey, man, I
love your music. Man, like, thanks a lot, and it
turns the guy next to him and he goes, that's
the guy's in the wallflowers.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
I got close. Not not though, but thank you.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
I'll take it.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
That's awesome.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Bad So I gotta ask because you know, you're you're
still performing at the top level, but like not to
say like you already made it, but there's a lot
of artists out right now that are trying to figure
out how to do it. And the music industry has changed,
the way we get contents changed. If you or Matchbox
twenty were starting out today in the era of like
(18:38):
TikTok and streaming, what what's your way of going about
doing it? Are you posting content videos all the time?
Are you weaken songs? Are you doing flash mobs?
Speaker 2 (18:49):
What? What are you going for?
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Yeah? I mean, you know, it's a hard thing to grasp,
right Like my son is twenty seven. He actually plays
in my band, that's what he has his own band, Lucky,
And you know, like they're twitch streaming and you know,
and like I go to I go to his house
and he's just got a camera there whether they're barbecue,
and I'm like, what are you doing? He's like, no,
people are watching this, I swear to God. So, like,
(19:13):
I mean, it's you know, it's a hard thing, like
to do it today. Thirty years in this business doesn't
necessarily equip me with the skill set that I would
need if I was starting out right now.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
So are you happy that you did it when you
did it?
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Yeah? You know, I mean, without sounding like an old guy,
I mean because in truth, there's so much about right now,
the access that that people have, the music, the choice.
They have to be able to play whatever they want,
whenever they want. Those things are pretty incredible and I
would have loved that when I was a kid. But
we came out at what we call the last good time, right,
you know, that last period of the when when the
(19:49):
music business was still basically the same thing that it
was in the fifties, where you start a band, you
play live, some guy from a label comes and sees you,
and if he signed you, you make a record, you know,
and it just kind of it was a It was
a process that was tried and true until one day
it just got, you know, shook up. So it was
nice to be able to be a part of something
that now ancient history.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
I catch you. That's awesome though.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
All right, you got the tour coming here to Indy
at ever wise August twenty second. We're super excited. I
just want to ask you one more question before I
let you get out of here. What's a day in
the life of Rob Thomas? Like, when you're not focusing
on music, What hobbies you got, favorite food you got?
Are you on Twitch with your son now?
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Or what are you doing?
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Ha haha?
Speaker 1 (20:35):
No, I'm fortunately man. I mean I don't know if
it's unfortunate, but most of my hobbies will still just
revolve around music. That's not fair because I'm between Maxbox
and solo. I'm like, if I'm not recording something, then
I'm usually writing something other than that. I love up
here in a really nice community. My wife and I
just like to, you know, just to be and chill
with our friends up here.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
That's awesome.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
And you know, I mean, this is probably the reason
why you've been doing it for thirty years and doing
it at a high level. You're you're centered around everything
you got to do and constantly creating and writing, So
that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Yeah, I mean, I think I think that's that's where
you gotta be because it's the most exciting thing. Like that,
the idea of like creating a new song that somebody
someone might you know, make that a part of their
nostalgia one day. That's a that's a pretty cool thing,
is I said. By the way, I do I have
a new thing that that drafts today. You pick it
up on Spotify or or hear it on your station.
(21:29):
Hard to Be.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Happy, Hard to Be Happy. We're all gonna go stream it.
We're gonna get on Twitch and listen to it and watch.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
My son barbecue.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
We'll go do all that, Rob, I really appreciate you
taking the time to talk to me. If I told
eight year old me that I'd be talking to Rob
Thomas from Matchbox twenty, he'd lose his mind.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
So I appreciate you taking the time.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Bro, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Thank you, brother, money money for money for money,
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