Medal Of Honor Monday featuring U.S. Army Korean War vet Corporal Tibor "Ted" Rubin

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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It is the Jesse Kelly Show. Another hour of the
Jesse Kelly Show on an readable Monday, and of course
we will get to the revolutionary stuff with the communists
this hour. Amber Smith, that former Army helicopter pilot. She's
going to join us in about a half hour to
talk about that new memo that was put out about

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the aftermath of that terrible crash in DC. Just such
a sad story. Anyway, Amber's going to be here to
go over that. We have a bunch of stuff still
to do on the Jesse Kelly Show, but that's not
for right now, because you know what right now is
hour two on Monday. Every single Monday is Medal of
Honor Monday, where we take a Medal of Honor suggestion

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or a Medal of Honor citation, and we read it
and you can send in suggestions. Keep in mind, the
email address isn't just for your love, hate and death threats.
If you have ones you like, you're welcome to send
them in Jesse at kellyshow dot com. This guy's sending
this one, had said, Jesse, I just read the incredible
story of tiber Ted Rubin. What a Lion. I would

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love to hear your thoughts on this war fighting beast.
And that's from Monty. So without further ado, let's talk
about Ted Rubin. And he was actually born in Hungary.
The country, Chris, it's a different country. It's over there
in Europe. What Chris, I didn't think you knew anyway,
born in Hungary. This is from US Army Korea. Hey,

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honoring those he went above and beyond. It's medal of
Honor Monday. Remind me to talk about Hungarian cheesebread after this.
For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his
life above and beyond the call of duty, Corporal Reuben
distinguished himself by extraordinary heroism during the period from the

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twenty third of July nineteen fifty to April twentieth, nineteen
fifty three, while serving as a rifleman with Company I,
eighth Cavalry Regiment, first Cavalry Division in the Republic of Korea.
While his unit was retreating to the Pusan perimeter, Corporal
Reuben was assigned to stay behind to keep open the

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vit Ol Tagu Pusan road link used by his withdrawing unit.
During the ensuing battle, overwhelming numbers of North Korean troops
assaulted a hill defended solely by Corporal Reuben. He inflicted
a staggering number of casualties on the attacking force during
his twenty four hour battle, single handedly slowing the enemy

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advance to allow the eighth Cavalry Regiment to successfully complete
its withdrawal. Following the breakout from the Pusan perimeter, the
eighth Cavalry Regiment proceeded northward and advanced into North Korea.
During the advance, he helped capture several hundred North Korean soldiers.

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On October thirtieth, nineteen fifty, Chinese forces attacked his unit
at Unsan, North Korea. During a massive nighttime assault that
night and throughout the next day. He manned a thirty
caliber machine gun at the south end of the unit's line.
After three previous gunners became casualties, he continued tomand his

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machine gun until his ammunition was exhausted. His determined stand
slowed the pace of the enemy advance in his sector,
permitting the remnants of his unit to retreat southward. As
the battle raged, Corporal Reuben was severely wounded and captured
by the Chinese, choosing to remain in the prison camp

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despite offers from the Chinese to return him to his
native Hungary. Corporal Reuben disregarded his own personal safety and
immediately began sneaking out of the camp at night in
search of Thuois for his comrades. This guy breaking into
enemy food storehouses and gardens, he risked certain torture or

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death if caught. Corporal Reuben provided not only food to
the starving soldiers, but also desperately needed medical care and
moral support for the sick and wounded of the pow camp.
His brave, selfless efforts were directly attributed to saving the
lives of as many as forty of his fellow prisoners.

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Corporal Ruben's gallant actions in close contact with the enemy
and unyielding courage and bravery while a prison of war,
prisoner of war, while a prison of war. Okay, they
mistyped that while a prisoner of war are in the
highest traditions of the military service and reflect gate credit
upon himself and the United States Army. Don't get many

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of those, do we prisoners of war. I have read many,
many books on guys who've gone through different kinds of
prison camp stuff, prisoners of war stuff. As you know,
I am uniquely obsessed with the Pacific War, the Pacific
version of World War two. So books about our prisoners

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who went through the horrific Japanese pow camps. Those are
stories that I just I can't get enough of. And
one thing that kind of it's just it's amazing when
you read these stories about these pow camps, the guys,
the guys who really stand out, and some guys stand

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out for the wrong reasons. I'll put it this way.
And for instance, a Japanese prisoner of war camp, our
guys were starving, as you know, they would torture us.
They would, they would, they would, they would torture our guys,
kill our guys that would starve them, They would deny
a medical care. That it was. It was really really
really bad, really sadistic, really bad. And in that environment,

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some people shine and some people do not. As far
as the people who do not go. I read a
story one time about an American pow who was killed
by his fellow Americans. Why he was for extra food
and favors informing on his fellow Americans to the Japanese.

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They had a little really quiet trial for him, pulled
him out in the woods, killed him for it. There
are plenty of stories about Americans. This happens in every country.
When you're desperate, stealing the food of others, things like that,
and vice versa. You get these stories about heroes like

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this guy like Reuben, who do extra, do more. And
what really hit me about this Medal of our Citation,
the reason I wanted to do it was the guys
who do more. Hey, man, take some of my food. Hey,
let me help you out, Let me get you some
medical care. Hey, let me sneak out of the cant
to try to do this. From my reading, they don't

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live very often. They just don't. They do extra, they
do more. They die heroes, but they're almost always either
caught and then killed in some terrible way, or they
die because they're giving up their food, they're giving up
their medicine. They're doing it on behalf of others. I
read that book Bloodlands. Blood Lands is the name of

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that book. It's kind of a separate subject, but along
the same lines, and there it goes over a lot
of the Helota more. That is, when that's when Stalin
was starving the Ukrainians to death. And there's a long
passage in the book about how it was all the
good ones who died first, all the priests and pastors
who were they were praying over people, giving people food,

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giving the generous people. Hey, come on into my home,
you share our food. All the good people died first.
It was all the scuffs who seemed to live through
the whole thing. The good people died first. This one
it struck me, man, that's no joke to be a
member of a Chinese prison camp for two or three years,

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And that's one of those untold stories a lot of
people don't know about. In fact, I should probably, I
should probably do a history show on that at some
point in time. But our POWs from Korea were held
there for a long time. And this is under Mao's China. Now,
how was Mao treating his own citizens right about this time?

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They weren't exactly living it up in the life of luxury.
How do you think it was for American troops during
this time? And remember, we ended up with a lot
of POWs because of how the Korean War was fought.
We fought the North Koreans were taken over South Korea,
then we showed up. We fought them back, We beat

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them back, and then we decided we were going to
keep pushing into North Korea and we started pressing towards China.
Mao saw this as an opportunity and he started flooding
hundreds of thousands of troops across the border. Well, North
Korea is very mountainous, very cold, very remote. And one
thing about the mountains now and always, there aren't that

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many roads. Because there's not many ways in and out.
You can't just It's not Nebraska where you can throw
a highway down anywhere. It doesn't work that way. Well,
the Chinese and the North Koreans, they would simply grab
the road you needed to go down south. If they
seize control of that road, you were done. And because
you only had so many routes in and out, your

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whole unit could be cut off. We had a lot
of guys get taken prisoner during the Korean War, and
this they call that thing the Forgotten War for a reason.
You know, I love it. I just think those guys
are amazing people. But a fascinating affair. All right, let's
talk a bit more about these revolutionaries. Tom Holman came out.
He said this, any public of vision where you're mayor

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city council, in governor, their number more responsibilities protecting the communities.

Speaker 3 (10:03):
And ICE has been clear we're targeting public safety threats
and national's security threat.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
Their number one priorities should be protecting communities. But as
we've said before, that's not how they see their number
one priority. That's why you have criminals all over your community.
Now my area too, it's getting bad. Another carjacking. What
do you carry on you to stop a bad guy?

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What do you carry if you if your wife, your husband,
your mother, your son, your daughter. If they are walking
into the mall parking lot and a bad man is
standing there with a knife, what are they going to do? Die?

Speaker 1 (10:47):
Cry?

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Is the Jesse Kelly Show on a wonderful, wonderful Monday.
We just got done with Metal of Honor Monday. If
you missed that or any part of the show, you

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can send us an email love hey, death threat. That's
Jesse at Jesse kellyshow dot com. So JB. Pritzker, Governor
of Illinois, said something. Now, remember this is going to
be important for our conversation. This is a man who's
very much flirting with running for president. There are enough

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rumors out there. When there are enough rumors, you already
know he's the one putting out the rumors. Feelers if
you will, well, I'm thinking about running. I might run anyway.
What do your friends say about that. JB. Pritzker. He
has a well I'm gonna let him talk and then
we'll talk about it. Never before in.

Speaker 4 (12:34):
My life have I called for mass protests, for mobilization
for disruption, But I am now.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
The governor of our of a United States state, is
calling for mass protests for disruption. What's going on here? Okay, Well,
first we'll get to the Pritzker part of it in
a moment. First, remember, communism was born in revolution, and

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it is a revolutionary religion. The whole idea behind it
is the power structures of the world are evil and
they must be torn down. That's the idea. The existing
power structures are evil and must be torn down. When
it was in Russia, when it took hold in Russia,

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they were trying to take down the czars. When it
took hold in China, they were trying to take down
the powers there, the warlords. They're the people who were
running China, Cambodia, they were trying to take down the
royal family. Take They're trying to destroy always now in
forever it's revolutionary. Well, revolutions are not polite, They are

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not nice. When you are trying to tear something down.
We've gone over this before. There's no nonviolent way to
destroy something. If there's a statue in front of me,
I can't wish it to fall over. If I want
the statue to fall over or be destroyed, I have
to do something violent to it, kick it, sledgehammer, debt,
cord something. I have to do some sort of violence

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to destroy something. That's why violence is not what they do,
it's who they are. As I've explained a thousand times over.
That's why every almost every Democrat in this country, if
they don't commit acts of violence, they're at least kind
of okay with it. Why they're revolutionaries, they're communists.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
Well, we can't.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
We can't stop this without hurting somebody. Someone has to
get hurt. How were we supposed to tear down the
system without hurting somebody? But back to JB. Pritzker, what's
going on here? Does Jmie Pritsker really want people protesting
and rioting in the street?

Speaker 4 (14:52):
Life? Have I called for mass protests, for mobilization, for disruption,
But I am now.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
These are cannot know.

Speaker 4 (15:04):
A moment of peace.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
They have to understand that we will fight their cruelty with.

Speaker 4 (15:10):
Every megaphone and microphone that we have.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
They can't know a moment of peace. Why see talking
like that? Well, this brings us to the dangerous situation
we have in the country. Did you hear the reaction
of the crowd, whole crowd full of people here? He
is really talking about crimes, not the crowd react.

Speaker 4 (15:33):
In my life have I called for mass protests, for mobilization,
for disruption, but I am now.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
Woo yeah, Why well, the problem is the Democrat base
is so rabidly insane now, so communist, so vicious, so violent,
so insane, that you cannot possibly rise to be the

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leader of the Democrat Party without saying insane things to
placate your violent, demonic base that demands you say insane things.
That wasn't JB. Pritzker actually believing there should be street mobilization.
Maybe he believes that, Maybe he doesn't. That was JB.

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Pritzker trying to drive up the poll numbers in the
twenty twenty eight Democrat primary. Because you ain't gonna get
the nominee, Jack the nomination, I should say, you aren't
going to be the nominee unless you speak like a
violent revolutionary. It becomes the ultimate self eating ice cream cone.

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They're violent and the rhetoric increases, and then they're violent
and the rhetoric increases. But the violence increases because the
rhetoric increases. But then the rhetoric increases because the people
are demanding the You see how this goes. This is
how this goes. And you know what, you don't here
with any amount of prominence at all an he calls

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to tone it down, any calls for moderation, any calls well,
I don't know, guys, maybe we went too far. You
notice how you don't hear that from anybody. A couple
Democrats after the election kind of half spoke up a little.
They got to put back in their place really quickly. Hey,

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stop in sulting trainees. I don't know what's happening or
where they're going to go, but they're now celebrating the revolutionaries.
In fact, David Brooks called that judge heroic.

Speaker 3 (17:45):
But I don't yet know the specific details of this case,
whether she escorted the guy at the jury door or
whether she's letting them or so. That's all I'm working.
I don't want to comment on this specific case, but
especially on the issue of immigration, there are a lot
of people who are appalled by what the administration is doing,
and there will be times for civil disobedience. And to me,
if she, let's say, she did escort this guy out

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the door, If federal enforcement agencies come to your courtroom
and you help a guy skate, that is two things.
One it strikes me as maybe something illegal, but it
also strikes me as something heroic.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
Yeah, Amber Smith, next the Jesse Kelly Show on a Monday,
A fantastic Monday, And of course it's always a fantastic
day when Amber Smith chooses to join us and dump
some expertise on us. I don't even know how to
really address Amber anymore. You know, she flew these helicopters,

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wrote a book, very very good book. Former senior Pentagon
official Amber Smith joins me. Now, okay, Amber, we all
got snippets of the report that came out in the
New York Times. Everybody remembers that terrible helicopter crash, and today,
of course, there are many opinions getting thrown around about it.

Speaker 5 (18:58):
Was it DEI?

Speaker 2 (18:59):
Was it idiocy? Was it was it bad luck? I've
ever flown a helicopter? What was it?

Speaker 1 (19:07):
Well? I definitely from what I've read so far, and
just like watching the videos myself of when it actually
happened and since then more information coming out. I do
not think that DEI is a factor here. I do
think that it was likely three things. One is task

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task saturation. She was, they were flying at night, she
was on a check ride. I do not know what
procedures that they were conducting in the moment, but likely
there was a lot going on. They were on one
of the busiest corridor like helicopter airline corridors in the nation,
and I think it was overload, and so when she

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heard information from her co pilot telling her to turn
a different way. They were also likely getting traffic on
multiple different radios at the same time, which is where
then the sort of faulty crew coordination came in as well.
To my knowledge, I haven't read in the report that
they acknowledged that they even saw the aircraft, the airliner,

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and and then just bad comms from ADC the helicopter
sort of all the way around, Like that's more of
a big picture problem. But from what I saw, I
do not think this. I wrote an entire book on
DEI and problems in the military, and I do not
see this as a DEI factor with this specific instance.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
Okay, so we will set the whole DEI thing aside,
because you're the expert we're listening to here. Now, would
you would you talk about how you know task saturation?
That that term and you think you know she can't
separate this from that and instructor what a lot of
people say, and in my opinion this is completely justified,

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is why is she operating in front of a civilian airport? Then? Now,
I'm not even judging her. I don't know whether she
was great or whether she was terrible or brand new
or an idiot, I don't I don't know. But unless
you're the best of the best, why are you operating
in front of my delta flight?

Speaker 1 (21:16):
Well, first of all, I will say I do not
think helicopters should be operating around civilian airports like that,
especially with airliners, especially around DCA with so much traffic
going on, like unless it's the President's helicopters or law enforcement,
I do not think helicopter traffic needs to be flying

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in the vicinity of Reagan. Back to the task saturation question,
I'll give you a personal example that happened to me
when I was an Army helicopter pilot at Fort Campbell.
We were doing a night flight. We were both under
goggles just you know, it was just my co pilot
and me. I was the pilot in command.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
Pause. Sorry, sorry, Ambert, pose night vision goggles is what
she's talking about. We have a lot of civilians listening
night vision goggles. You have very narrow view night vision goggles.
Go ahead, Amber, Sorry, yes.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
And so we were flying this training area and there
happened to be this air corridor route that flies through it,
and it is sort of you know, visual flight separation.
You heard the same thing under this investigation that they
requested visual flight separation. So that means it's on the
pilot to conduct safe distance of their flight operations. So

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you are responsible for observing traffic in your vicinity and
making sure you don't crash into each other. So, flying
in this training area, I see this helicopter coming down
the air corridor. I say to my co pilot, who
is on the flight controls, Hey, do you have that
traffic at twelve o'clock Roger, Roger, I have that traffic,

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does not make a course correction, continues flying straight towards it. Hey,
did you just hear what I said. You see that
that helicopter traffic at twelve o'clock, Roger, I got it,
Still no course correction. It all happened very fast. Anyway,
I ended up having to grab the flight controls rip

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them to do a left ninety degree turn so we
did not have a mid air collision after telling him
twice to turn with zero court and he acknowledged it
both times and zero course correction. So in an obviously
different situation, I do feel like something like this happened

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in that cockpit, except there was no correction from the
other pilot. And I'm not trying to place flame because
I wasn't in the cockpit, and I don't know if
that's exactly what happened, But like I said, based on
my experiences, what we are hearing now in terms of
what was said between the two pilots and the checkpilot

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telling her to turn left multiple times, and she did
not either she was listening to something else, or she
didn't hear, or she was so focused on doing something
different that she didn't do it in time or acknowledge
it in time. And I don't know if the check
pilot thought that she was going to turn likely, which

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is why he didn't grab the controls and the yank
the aircraft out of the flight path, because neither of
them still may have seen the other aircraft, so they
didn't think it was like as dire as it was.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
Amber. Can you help me understand again we're speaking with
Amber Smith. She's flown these things before. I wrote a
wonderful book. Can you help me understand why there are
so many different audio streams coming into the ears of
a helicopter pilot. How is there not only one? How
was that not pared down? Why so many?

Speaker 4 (25:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (25:01):
From a safety perspective, you know, while I was flying,
I didn't think anything of it. It was just something
you had to get good at and proficient at, and
like listen to many different streams of information coming at
you at the same time. And I will say it's
one of the most challenging parts of it because, like,
like I emphasize communication and aviation is you know, a

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top priority because things can get screwed up so easily
if you get the wrong information. And yeah, when I
was an Army helicopter pilot, we had five radius that
we were monitoring at once. And that's in a combat situation,
so you were also you know, listening to like the
ground radio, like the ground guys that you were operating

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with as well. But it is but you also didn't
usually have like traffic like tower like ATC traffic the
way you do when you're flying in US airspace. So anyway,
it is NonStop and a lot of times you're listening
to other people's traffic. And it's a lot, I'm not

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gonna lie, and probably not the safest situation, but you know,
you have to listen to tower, you have to listen
to your internal traffic, you have to listen to your
headquarters back at whatever unit you're attached to. You're listening
to different airspace traffic. It's a lot. And that's what

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I just described, is not even a combat situation.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
So so I don't want to I don't want to
sum this up with my words instead of your words.
So I'll just say, is this just something? And I
know this is the worst explanation in the world, but
is this just one of those things that happens? I mean,
people don't realize this stuff happens all the time. World
War Two, we had more people killed than you can
possibly count. Getting information right, slamming into each other. It's

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it happens. It's a dangerous profession.

Speaker 1 (26:57):
Well, pilot error is I think still the largest factor
in aviation accidents. You're always going to have pilot air
when it comes to this. It's just it is part
of the profession. Now, obviously when you have passengers on board,

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when you have other aircraft, you need to find a
way to mitigate the risk that comes with piloted airplanes
or piloted helicopters. And I do think one of those
things is, like the way they were operating DCA, that

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special airspace around Reagan National is a problem, and it
was a problem waiting to happen with the amount of
helicopter traffic that they had going on there. And I
do not think that helicopters have any business flying around
commercial airliners like that. And I'm talking about not just Reagan,

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but like around any airport. There's too much room for
error there, as we saw, and so obviously that is
a big problem. And then the entire nationwide air traffic

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controller issue that we're talking about, which does have the
DEI factor attached to it, but in terms of aviation
as long until we get to the point in the
future where it's drones and all of that type of thing,
where they're unmanned aircraft, piloting error is always going to
be a problem. And then when we get that, when

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we have unmanned aircraft flying around people, you're going to
have the risks that come with that. So it's like
driving a car. Yeah, you're never going to mitigate the
risk completely. It's there.

Speaker 4 (28:56):
Yea.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
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Speaker 1 (30:13):
The Jesse Kelly Show.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
It is the Jesse Kelly Show. Final segment, this hour
of the Jesse Kelly Show. Don't worry, we still have
another hour with all kinds of things, emails and other things.
That was Amber Smith. Remember you can email the show
Jesse at Jesse Kellyshow dot com. Just find a word
on this whole thing, on this whole revolutionaries thing. They

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can't change who they are and how they think. And
this is why I've said over and over and over again,
you have to give communists fear and pain or they
will never be dissuaded. You try to compare American democrats
to Republicans or someone from this country, and you're always confused,
Why would they do that? I don't understand because you're

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comparing them to the wrong things. Compare them totis what
works with the Jihati. These people feel that tearing down
everything that exists is the correct goal. In fact, they
feel heroic for it. They will stare at you in
the face and they will protect an MS thirteen illegal

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alien gang member over an American citizen all day long,
and they will think they are the good guy while
they do it. You can't deal normally with people like that. Now,
let's move away from that, because there's all kinds of
other things I want to get to. Speaking of JB.
Pritzker tossing out a bunch of red meat for his

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dirty comy bass Jack, Schumer's out there saying this.

Speaker 5 (31:43):
I'm staying put because I have been able to unite
my caucus in a very strong fight against Trump. And
that's what we have to do, and I'm doing it
every day in every way.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
I said it was a self eating ice cream cone,
self licking ice cream cone, something like that. Earlier. I
forget what I said. I don't know. I went to
community college. But you see what he's doing. You hear
what he's doing. Opposition to Trump has become so central
to every democrat in the country that now you can

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run on it, and now it counts as political capital.
You know why, Chuck Schumer is starting to get asked
questions about, Hey, are you gonna retire hair? Are you
sticking around? You know why He's get starting to get
these questions because his pull numbers against AOC in New
York in a potential hypothetical primary don't look very good.
Chuck Schumer's starting to feel some heat on his neck.

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Chuck Schumer is starting to see that precious little position
of power his potentially evaporate. But how does he respond?
So he doesn't want that to happen without being a senator,
a powerful senator. What is Chuck Schumer just the annoying
neighbor who doesn't know how to grill a cheeseburger? What
is Chuck Schumer's nothing after that? So he has to

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resist Trump. He has to fight the revolution against Trump
loudly and publicly, because only that has the potential to
save his job. Headline, Schumer won't rule out prioritizing another
Trump impeachment. Does Chuck Schumer believe he's going to get

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the votes in the Senate for a Trump impeachment?

Speaker 5 (33:28):
No?

Speaker 2 (33:28):
Remember, they won't impeach Trump to after the midterms when
we lose the House, but then they'll impeach him. Does
Chuck Schumer think he's even going to be in control
of the Senate? Probably not. But why does he talk
about impeaching Trump? Now, that's what you do when you
want to hang on to power as a Democrat. And look,
if we're being fair vice versa on the John Cornan front,

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because Trump says he'll choose between Ken Paxon and John
Cornan in the Senate race. That's from the epic times.
We really need him to pick Paxton anyway. On the
on the on the flip side of that coin, showing
you you're the Trump guy, you're the Trump loyalist. It's
the best way to stay in power on the right.
That's why John Cornyan, who hates Trump, hates everything about Trump,
hates America. First, he's the biggest scumbag in the world. Now,

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talks about Donald Trump all the time. Me and Trump,
me and the Trump agenda, Trump and me, Me and Trump,
Trump and me. We're just being Trump and me, Buddiess
why he talks like that, Hoping allegiance to Trump is
enough to keep him in the Senate. Opposing Trump is
how you stay elected as a Democrat. Sucking up to
Trump is how you stay elected as a Republican. It's

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a really weird place to be as a country. Either way.
Trump's kind of amazing. Well, when you think about it,
isn't that amazing that this guy came out of nowhere? Uh,
it didn't come out of nowhere, that's not fair, but
politically came out of nowhere in twenty fifteen. And now
he's the son in our solar's sit in our political

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solar system here in America and frankly the globe. Donald
Trump is It isn't that kind of incredible? What a phenom?

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