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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Jesse Kelly Show in woooo Indeed it is time
to do history. I will be back with more politics
in the final hour, where we're going to talk about
the COVID shot information that's coming out another museum, heighist,
medical schools are horrible, people are leaving college. I'll get
to emails. All that stuff is coming, but it ain't
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coming right now because it is our two and we
are smack dab in the middle of our history on
the Rhodesian Bush War. Again reminding you parts one and
part two with all kinds of background that was last
night in the night before you got to go download
the podcast if you want that. I think you will
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find it helpful. Not a requirement at all to understand
kind of where we're at now where we pick up today,
but I think it would be incredibly helpful. Now, let's
talk about the state of Rhodesia. Let's first talk about voting,
shall we. I posed a question to you last night
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at the end of our little history segment. I posed
the question to you about us, about our country, your country,
my country, who should be able to vote? And I
think we agreed last night that there should be some restrictions,
right We may disagree on what those restrictions might be.
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But you don't want ten year olds to have a vote, right.
You don't want felons sitting in the joint getting ready
to go to the electric chair tomorrow. You don't want
them to have a vote, right. You don't want illegals
to vote to you. Okay, So no matter what you agree,
there should be some restrictions. Now, I'm going to play
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you something. I know we're doing history, but I'm going
to play you something I played at last hour. Here's
Shri Indiana Jones of Michigan. I am sick of your lies.
The American people are sick of this lies. American people
demand truth America. Is there do you think if we
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add higher voting standards in this country that Sri Indiana
Jones would be a member of Congress? Play Chris, you
know what? Give me a favorite, Chris grab Hank Johnson
Guam Ticking Tipping over. We haven't played that one in ages.
It's years and years and years old. I think this
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might be ten years old. The reason I bring it
up is Hank Johnson just got done calling America the
great Satan.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
We are the world's number one bully, and we're using
our immense, unrifled power to rule over those who have
less power, and we're doing it with him unity. And
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this sends a shocking message to the world that America
is indeed, uh the what did what did they used
to call the Great Hand of Satan or something?
Speaker 1 (03:16):
That's the same Hank Johnson back in the day who
said this, this is.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
A island that at its widest level is what twelve
miles from shore to shore and at its smallest level,
the smallest location, it's seven miles between one shore and
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the other. Is that correct? I don't have the exact dimensions,
but to your point, sir, I think Guam is a
small island.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
My fear is that the whole island will become so
overly populated that it will tip over and.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Capsize.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
We don't anticipate that. Let me ask you an honest question,
funny as that is, if we had higher voting standards
in this country, do you think that person would still
be in Congress making decisions on laws that govern the
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most powerful country on the planet, of course not. Rhodesia
was the wealthiest country in all of Africa. As I
mentioned several times, already paved roads, wonderful schools, doctors, lawyers,
great standard of living. You would have thought you were
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in any modern American city. The rest of Africa, not
all of it, but most of the rest of Africa
living in backwards conditions. And then there's this jewel in Rhodesia.
So who got to pick the government of Rhodesia. Well,
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there were changes over time, by the way, but in
general you had to qualify to vote, and contrary to
what all the do gooder kamis around the world said
at the time, part of the qualification was not the
color of your skin, but there were literacy requirements, property qualifications,
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you had to be a subject of the British Empire.
There were things, and I don't want to get too specific,
because they changed, you know, pre nineteen sixty one they
were more strict. Then Rhodesia to try to roll back
some things started to ease those restrictions. But you know,
on the voting roles, for instance, in nineteen sixty one,
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there were ninety five thousand white people who were able
to vote and there were twenty two hundred Black Africans
who were able to vote. It was not barring any
skin color. But because the qualifications were what they were,
because there were standards, a large percentage of the white
Europeans in Rhodesia could vote and a very small percentage
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of the Black Africans could vote. Now that sounds extremely,
extremely discriminatory, doesn't it. That sounds wrong. Surely everybody who
reaches the age of eighteen should have a say in
the government, right. And the reason I bring this up
is it's going to become a central theme of our story.
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Rhodesia didn't see it that way. Rhodesia enjoyed its standard
of living, enjoyed the kind of country it was. But
here's a problem, you see, and it's a big problem.
You've heard of the Labor government, the Labor Party, I
should say, of Britain. I've told you before, that's their Democrats,
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that's their Communist Party. Those are the ones who run Britain. Now,
that's why they're massively importing Muslims from all over the
planet to form rape gangs, to pillage the British women.
The Labor Party, well in the nineteen sixties, there are
things going on globally that are going to essentially doom
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Rhodesia in the end. And one of those things is
the Labor Party was running things in Britain. Combine that
with this, the airfingers quote civil rights movement globally is
really really reaching its peak. Now why did I say
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airfingers quote Because the civil rights movement surely was only good, right,
and I think you would agree with me that, Yeah,
it's probably not great to have black people eating at
different restaurants, and that's not a great way to run society.
That's not a just way to run society. The reason
I gave the airfingers quote thing on it was, well,
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remember what we talked about last hour. I've spoken before
about this many times. Let me use the example I've
used before in Montana in the Rocky Mountains. If you
hike through the Rocky Mountains in an area full of boulders,
you will inevitably come across one that looks It looks
like God pulled out his sword and sliced it in half.
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It's not just broken, it's this clean, smooth break, and
it's odd looking. We're talking about a boulder the size
of your car sliced in two. Only God didn't use
his sword. You see, over time that boulder developed a
little crack, not big, you might not even really see
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it with your eye, a little crack. What happened from there? Water, inevitably,
maybe it's snow melting, maybe it's rain. Water would get
in it, and then one night the temperature would drop
to such a degree that water would freeze. When water freezes,
it expands. When it expanded, pop the rock shattered into
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This is exactly what communists do in every single society.
They find existing cracks, legitimate cracks, by the way, oftentimes
legitimate cracks. They find the cracks in your society, They
get inside of that crack and they try to freeze
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it to shatter the society. And the global communists most definitely,
the Soviets recognize the civil rights movement, not just in
America but other places, but the civil rights movement as
an incredible opportunity for them to shatter the country, and
they got to involved in it. They were very focused
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about being involved in it. They viewed it as an
opportunity to break America, to break Western civilization. This was
going on in many different countries in the nineteen sixties. Now,
I already laid out the government of Rhodesia at the time.
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How do you think their government, how do you think
that's landing with the global civil rights do gooders on
the planet. Let me spoil it for you. It ain't
landing well, and Britain decides they want to do something
about it. Uh oh, we'll be back days the Jesse
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is the nineteen sixties. The civil rights movement across the
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globe has been invaded and infected by communists doing the
best they can to divide Western society. And of course
Britain has their communists as well. We have our Democrats,
they have their Labor Party, the Labor government in Britain.
They don't like the look of Rhodesia right now. Yeah,
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of course it's wealthy, it's prosperous, it's clean, it's wonderful.
But not everyone gets to vote. In fact, not very
many Black Africans get to vote. Lots of white Europeans
get to vote, and so they start pushing. Remember at
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this point, Rhodesia is a British colony. I cannot stress
that enough. A British colony, meaning they are under the
British crown. Says, uh, how about one man, one vote,
everyone gets to vote. Well, the government, the people of Rhodesia,
they understandably said, excuse me, look around at Africa. Do
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you have any idea what's going to happen if we
allow everybody to have a vote with no property requirements
and know nothing of it. Do you understand what will
happen here? The whole place will be over all this prosperity.
The communists didn't want to hear it. One man, one vote,
one man, one vote, over and over and over and
over again. Now Rhodesia has to make a choice. And
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keep in mind that I'm really skipping over some boring
political negotiations. But Rhodesia's government they were trying as hard
as they could to do whatever they had to do
to work with Britain. So they didn't have to do
well what they're about to do, meaning in nineteen sixty one,
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they even changed how they do the voting. They didn't
change it completely, but they opened it up a little
bit more, kind of introduced tiars to it. You could
be in the A tier. The beat again their work.
They're trying to massage the situation without giving up their country.
Britain did not want to hear it. The Communists in
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Britain did not want to hear it, and they said, no,
you will do this, and so Rhodesia they rebelled. There's
no other way to put it. In nineteen sixty five,
rhodesha said, yeah, we're not a British colony anymore. Now
we're ours, We're Rhodesia, we're independent and this is how
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we're going to run things.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Now.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Now pause for a second. You have probably heard of
the SAS before, the Special Air Service. If you have not,
you should know that that is the British version of
the Navy's and in fact they came about really because
of the British fighting in Northern Africa. They were the
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guys parachuting behind enemy lines doing all kinds of you know,
special operations stuff. They are to this day, bad to
the bone, bad dudes. The British SAS well. Up to
this point, remember we're in the sixties. Rhodesia's military they
would work hand in hand with Britain's military because again
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it's a British colony, and Rhodesia had an SAS as
well that trained with the British sas. Super super bad dudes.
You get what I'm saying. Rhodesia declares independence in nineteen
sixty five. Britain is so angry about this, they actually
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consider a military response to the open rebellion of the
Rhodesian country of the Rhodesian government, and they approached the
British sas and start talking to them about it. The
British SAS had such a level of respect for the
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Rhodesians they had trained with and worked with, the British
government essentially faced a mutiny from within their own high
level sas. The guys weren't going to go Nah, I'm good,
I'm not. You want me to attack Rhodesia. Nah, Now
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you got to do something. If you're the British government, right,
you can't let open rebellion go, especially these white racists
in Rhodesia. And again, I want to remind you of
something I reminded you of last night. Over half of
the Rhodesian army was black Africans. This is not a
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white versus black thing. How it was sold to the planet.
Black Africans died with their European brothers in this war.
Europeans would give their lives to save Black Africans in
this war. This wasn't some Nazi that's not at all.
How it was. Yes, there were fewer black voters, no
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question about it. It was not a white versus black thing. Anyway,
Britain has to do something. So they essentially get the world,
that really most of the civilized world, to sanction Rhodesia.
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This is a country that is landlocked. Keep in mind
they have no access to water, anything like that. Britain
slaps sanctions strict ones on Rhodesia. Now, this would normally
be about the end of any landlocked country, but Rhodesia,
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to their credit, they had a couple of friends and
those friends happen to be neighbors. We'll talk about those
friends some combat things in a moment. We'll be back.
Jes It is the Jesse Kelly Show on a fantastic,
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let's get back to the story here. Nineteen sixty five,
Rhodesa declares it's independence. Britain is upset, to put it mildly,
they get the rest of the world and they themselves
slap crippling sanctions on Rhodesia, or I should say what
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should be crippling sanctions on Rhodesia. But Rhodesia has a
couple of friends. Now we need to do something that
I did with you the first night, but we're probably
gonna do this a couple more times because you have
to visualize this. You don't have to look at a map.
You can, but I want you to draw a circle
in your mind, or maybe you can draw one of
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if you're a visual person. I want you to make
this a clock. Okay, so it's a clock. Now. From
twelve o'clock to six o'clock, that's obviously half o'clock, there
is a country known as Mozambique, all right, Mozambique. From
twelve o'clock over to let's call it ten o'clock, there
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is a country known as Zambia. All right. From six
o'clock to about eight o'clock there is South Africa. Why
am I doing this? Slame clock thing, because it matters
so much for our story. South Africa. We will begin there.
South Africa and Rhodesia are as tight as tight can get.
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There are so many South Africans in Rhodesia. They love
each other, they work together, they have similar forms of
They are best, best, best freaking friends. As far as
countries go. South Africa is a friend. When these sanctions
get slapped on Rhodesia, South Africa steps up and says, hey,
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we got you, sell us your stuff. We'll continue to
trade with each other. South Africa also has and this
will definitely matter for our story throughout our story. They
have that wonderful, wonderful liquid gold known as oil. They
keep Rhodesia's well supplied with oil. They have a friend. Now,
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let's go to Mozambique. Remember the twelve o'clock to six o'clock, big,
big border with Rhodesia. They're also friendly because Mozambique at
this point, and this will change. Spoiler alert, this is
going to change. Mozambique is run by the Portuguese, all right,
the Portuguese Rhodesia. They get along. They are still working
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with each other, trading. Zambia the country in the Northwest.
Forget about them. We are going to get to them.
They're going to be featured here shortly. But Rhodesia has friends.
What's the result of this, They declare independence. All these
sanctions they're supposed to be bankrupted, Rhodesia's flourishing, flourishing. They
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went independent and they're getting along really, really well. Now
we have to go globally again, because this will matter
for the rest of our story. Communists, it's a religion
of destruction and domination. As we've talked about so many
times before, communism was never supposed to be about any
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one country. Communism was always designed, always pushed as being
a global thing. At this point in history, the Soviet
Union is churnin and burning, China churning and burning. These
are communist countries and they are very very interested in
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spreading their communism globally. And they are then, just as
they are now, very very interested in the continent of Africa.
Africa is gigantic, it is strategically located. They have all
kinds of resources that every country wants. The communist nations
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on the planet want Africa, and they want all of it.
And they recognize there's an opportunity. Here. We have this
country called Rhodesia. Britain has cut them off, and there's
a crack, isn't there. We're ready to discuss that crack.
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There are all kinds of little villages and African reservations,
essentially in Rhodesia, Black Africans who have not had a
standard of living equal to the white Europeans. There's enough
of a crack there that can be exploited. And now
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terrorism starts. Terrorism mainly from Zambia. Zambia. Remember it's that
twelve o'clock to ten o'clock the northwestern border, that's Zambia.
The Soviets and the Chinese both form groups African communist,
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African nationalists, whatever word you want to put on it,
African groups, and they decide they're going to have a
go at conquering Rhodesia. And they weren't even that subtle
about it. The Soviets freaking gave them tanks. They would
send advisors, Chinese advisors, Soviet advisors. How involved are the
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Soviets and Chinese and this will matter for the rest
of our story. They would take African leaders and they
would ship them to places like the Soviet Union, like China,
like East Germany, and they would ship them there for training.
And I mean in depth training, not just weapons training,
not just battle tactics. I'm talking about insurgency tactics, communist tactics.
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How do you infect a place? How do you infiltrate
a place? How do you destroy a place? Training camps
for the Africans put on by the Soviets and the Chinese,
and the poor Rhodesians don't even understand what is about
to come their way, but they do. The night a
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white farmer, it's nineteen sixty six, a white farmer and
his wife, they are ambushed and slaughtered on their farm.
I need to set up something here. I already mentioned.
Rhodesia is a huge country. I mentioned that last night.
Not so much night, it's this is a very very
big place. It's not a small country. And they of
course have these cities, these urban areas. But as I've said, farming, agriculture,
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it's such a wonderful land for that. It's just made
for that. It was a huge part of their economy,
huge part of what they did. And there were these
huge farms that the Europeans ran and owned, and they
had of course Africans working on their Black Africans working
with them, and things like that. But these farms, as
you can imagine, you can't put a farm in the
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middle of the city. They are rural, rural farms. They're
out there, they're in the hinter lands. They're not right
next to the cop shop. This creates a security nightmare
for Rhodesian farmers. There will come a day we're not
there yet in our story where farmers will have twelve
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foot high security fences all around their homes because they
were worried their kids couldn't go to the in the
yard without a bunch of guerrillas chopping them up with machetes.
That's how dangerous this situation is. But they don't know
this yet, right because the terror hasn't started. Well, the
terror just began nineteen sixty six, white farmer and his
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wife butchered, butchered, and the Communists in Africa, in the
Soviet Union in China, they want the terror to increase,
and they found I was about to say an unlikely ally,
but anyone even vaguely familiar with our political situation in
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the United States of America will understand it's the most
likely ally in the world, wouldn't you know it, Young
college girls started to help the international communists smuggle in
weapons they could use to commit acts of terror. As
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I have said many times, there is no more vicious,
violent communist on the planet than the liberal white woman.
It's just a fact. So we will continue with all
this in a moment. Is the Jesse Kelly Show on
a fantastic Thursday getting ready to move into Ask doctor
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Jesse Friday. Get your questions emailed into Jesse at Jesse
kellyshow dot com. Back to our story of the Rhodesian
bush War, terrorist attacks have begun. Russia has their own
group of African nationalists communists. China has their group of
African Nationalists communists. They are receiving training. Now again, it's
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not that I'm apologizing, but I'm just gonna drop more
details on you because the details are actually necessary. Most
of the time, details kill a story. But you have
to understand this, two different groups of African nationalists communists. Okay,
there is ZAPU going to go into what it stands for.
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That's a detail, doesn't matter. ZAPU backed by the Soviets.
Then there's ZANU backed by the Chinese. Don't worry about
making sure you know who's back by who. Zapu backed
by the Soviets, Zanu backed by the Chinese. These organizations,
as I said, are being trained by the Soviets in
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the Chinese in infiltration tactics. Rhodesia is not fully aware
of it yet, but war has already been declared on
them by the Soviets in the Chinese, who want to
make Rhodesia a communist country, and they start by sending
rebels over the border. In fact, let me give you
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a summary of how this war is going to go.
Not to spoil the ending, but you probably get it
by now. Let me give you a summary of how
this war is going to go. There aren't that many
white Europeans in Rhodesia, right, two hundred thousand, give or
take two hundred thousand of them. That big of a
military twenty thousand again, give or take. It's gonna depend
on the time period twenty thousand. In the military, the
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Communists are going to start setting up shop in the
countries around Rhodesia, and they're going to start making incursions
into the country. The military is going to fly out
and kill this incursion and kill that incursion. They find
ten guys here and twenty guys there, and they find this,
and they find that. But over time, as the world
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retreats on poor Rhodesia, the incursions increase in volume, increase
in frequency. You understand, this is the very beginning of it.
We're in like nineteen sixty six here. What's happening now
is the Rhodesian military, which is elite, absolutely elite. Are
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There are a few different elements to the military. I
want to mention right now. They have an air force.
Remember when I said South Africa and Rhodesia are super tight.
About half of the Rhodesian Air Force is actually South African,
South African pilots, South African planes. That's how tight they are.
That will matter later on. So there's an air force.
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They have the Rhodesian Light Infantry. Again, I want to
stress over half of the Rhodesian Light Infantry were Black Africans.
This is not a white versus black war. The Rhodesian
Light Infantry amazing troops, amazing troops again, outdoor people, rugged people,
mandatory military service. They were amazing troops. And then there
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were actually two different kind of special operations forces, special
Green Berets, Navy seals. Okay, there were the Rhodesian sas
I already mentioned them earlier, bad dudes. And then there
is another group super super cool called the Cellus Scouts
or Seleuse Scouts. I've heard it pronounced a thousand different
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ways as I was doing my research for the show.
These are all excellent units, top tiering units. They are
having no problem hunting down and wiping out these rebels
right now because there simply aren't enough of them. You
should know, the first group of rebels who came across
the border was not a big group, got hunted down
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and annihilated almost immediately. They get located, hunted down, annihilated.
The air force is used, helicopters are used to they
have to stay mobile because there aren't enough of them
to just be stationed all over the country. They have
to put them in various spots and then be ready
to hop on a plane, hop on a helicopter, and
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get where you're going. The use of parachutes and helicopters
is something that will last throughout this war. All right,
group comes in, gets wiped out. Group comes in, gets
wiped out. The Communists, though they're starting to get smarter,
as they fail what they had initially tried to do.
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Who was, as I mentioned, terrorist tactics. Hey, let's butcher
a farmer in the family, let's throw a let's throw
a bomb in an ice cream shop. Let's just basic
what you would kind of recognize today as more Jihati
terror tactics. But the Rhodesian military, the Rhodesian intelligence service
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was so good. These tactics weren't working that great. They
wanted the Kammis needed more power, and so they started
to do something. They started to set up secret camps
inside of the country, inside Rhodesia. Remember it's a huge place,
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so you don't just send in ten idiots from Zambia.
You try to set up camps inside. Now, we were
about to get to a point where it's going to
get very difficult on the Rhodesians. But they're definitely winning
right now. And a huge part of why they're winning
is these Kammi terrorists are coming from Zambia, virtually all
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of them from Zambia, because Zambia is the one that's
not a friend. Well, the border between Zambia and Rhodesia
is a big river. Rivers help provide security because they're
hard to cross. They're hard to cross unknown, that's for sure.
The Rhodesians understand. If they simply keep this river monitored,
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keep your patrols up there, you should be able to
locate and snuff out all the Kami terrorists, either as
they're coming or shortly after they come. You hunt them down,
you snuff them out. And I mentioned earlier the sell
Us Scouts Selus Scouts. I'm just going to call the
cell Us Scouts. I went to community college. They did
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so much cool stuff. One of the things they were
so good at the SAS two but was tracking. It's
wild when you read the books, how these guys track.
They'd be out there in the bush and they'd come
across sign that terrorist groups had come, and they would
just start hunting them like they were animals for a day,
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two days, three days, following the tracks like like like bloodhounds,
and then they'd finally find them. You make a phone call,
you bring in the troops. You kill them all. You
find them, make a phone call, bring in the troops,
kill them all. And I know we're about to be
done with our story. I'm gonna get back to politics.
Sometimes wounded terrorists trying to get back to Zambia, would
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be eaten by crocodiles in the rivers. One guy I
read a story about he was wounded, got hunted down
by a lion. Wild. What's happening? But tomorrow something will
happen that will spell eventually disaster for the Rhodesians. That's
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gonna have to wait till tomorrow, or wait Monday, Chris, Monday,
not Tuesday. No, we're not making them wait till tuesday.
That's not right. No, No, tomorrow or Monday. We'll do
it Monday, all right. Our story continues on Monday. Back
to politics next
The Jesse Kelly Show in woooo Indeed it is time
to do history. I will be back with more politics
in the final hour, where we're going to talk about
the COVID shot information that's coming out another museum, heighist,
medical schools are horrible, people are leaving college. I'll get
to emails. All that stuff is coming, but it ain't
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coming right now because it is our two and we
are smack dab in the middle of our history on
the Rhodesian Bush War. Again reminding you parts one and
part two with all kinds of background that was last
night in the night before you got to go download
the podcast if you want that. I think you will
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find it helpful. Not a requirement at all to understand
kind of where we're at now where we pick up today,
but I think it would be incredibly helpful. Now, let's
talk about the state of Rhodesia. Let's first talk about voting,
shall we. I posed a question to you last night
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at the end of our little history segment. I posed
the question to you about us, about our country, your country,
my country, who should be able to vote? And I
think we agreed last night that there should be some restrictions,
right We may disagree on what those restrictions might be.
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But you don't want ten year olds to have a vote, right.
You don't want felons sitting in the joint getting ready
to go to the electric chair tomorrow. You don't want
them to have a vote, right. You don't want illegals
to vote to you. Okay, So no matter what you agree,
there should be some restrictions. Now, I'm going to play
(01:50):
you something. I know we're doing history, but I'm going
to play you something I played at last hour. Here's
Shri Indiana Jones of Michigan. I am sick of your lies.
The American people are sick of this lies. American people
demand truth America. Is there do you think if we
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add higher voting standards in this country that Sri Indiana
Jones would be a member of Congress? Play Chris, you
know what? Give me a favorite, Chris grab Hank Johnson
Guam Ticking Tipping over. We haven't played that one in ages.
It's years and years and years old. I think this
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might be ten years old. The reason I bring it
up is Hank Johnson just got done calling America the
great Satan.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
We are the world's number one bully, and we're using
our immense, unrifled power to rule over those who have
less power, and we're doing it with him unity. And
(03:01):
this sends a shocking message to the world that America
is indeed, uh the what did what did they used
to call the Great Hand of Satan or something?
Speaker 1 (03:16):
That's the same Hank Johnson back in the day who
said this, this is.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
A island that at its widest level is what twelve
miles from shore to shore and at its smallest level,
the smallest location, it's seven miles between one shore and
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the other. Is that correct? I don't have the exact dimensions,
but to your point, sir, I think Guam is a
small island.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
My fear is that the whole island will become so
overly populated that it will tip over and.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Capsize.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
We don't anticipate that. Let me ask you an honest question,
funny as that is, if we had higher voting standards
in this country, do you think that person would still
be in Congress making decisions on laws that govern the
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most powerful country on the planet, of course not. Rhodesia
was the wealthiest country in all of Africa. As I
mentioned several times, already paved roads, wonderful schools, doctors, lawyers,
great standard of living. You would have thought you were
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in any modern American city. The rest of Africa, not
all of it, but most of the rest of Africa
living in backwards conditions. And then there's this jewel in Rhodesia.
So who got to pick the government of Rhodesia. Well,
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there were changes over time, by the way, but in
general you had to qualify to vote, and contrary to
what all the do gooder kamis around the world said
at the time, part of the qualification was not the
color of your skin, but there were literacy requirements, property qualifications,
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you had to be a subject of the British Empire.
There were things, and I don't want to get too specific,
because they changed, you know, pre nineteen sixty one they
were more strict. Then Rhodesia to try to roll back
some things started to ease those restrictions. But you know,
on the voting roles, for instance, in nineteen sixty one,
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there were ninety five thousand white people who were able
to vote and there were twenty two hundred Black Africans
who were able to vote. It was not barring any
skin color. But because the qualifications were what they were,
because there were standards, a large percentage of the white
Europeans in Rhodesia could vote and a very small percentage
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of the Black Africans could vote. Now that sounds extremely,
extremely discriminatory, doesn't it. That sounds wrong. Surely everybody who
reaches the age of eighteen should have a say in
the government, right. And the reason I bring this up
is it's going to become a central theme of our story.
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Rhodesia didn't see it that way. Rhodesia enjoyed its standard
of living, enjoyed the kind of country it was. But
here's a problem, you see, and it's a big problem.
You've heard of the Labor government, the Labor Party, I
should say, of Britain. I've told you before, that's their Democrats,
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that's their Communist Party. Those are the ones who run Britain. Now,
that's why they're massively importing Muslims from all over the
planet to form rape gangs, to pillage the British women.
The Labor Party, well in the nineteen sixties, there are
things going on globally that are going to essentially doom
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Rhodesia in the end. And one of those things is
the Labor Party was running things in Britain. Combine that
with this, the airfingers quote civil rights movement globally is
really really reaching its peak. Now why did I say
(07:49):
airfingers quote Because the civil rights movement surely was only good, right,
and I think you would agree with me that, Yeah,
it's probably not great to have black people eating at
different restaurants, and that's not a great way to run society.
That's not a just way to run society. The reason
I gave the airfingers quote thing on it was, well,
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remember what we talked about last hour. I've spoken before
about this many times. Let me use the example I've
used before in Montana in the Rocky Mountains. If you
hike through the Rocky Mountains in an area full of boulders,
you will inevitably come across one that looks It looks
like God pulled out his sword and sliced it in half.
(08:32):
It's not just broken, it's this clean, smooth break, and
it's odd looking. We're talking about a boulder the size
of your car sliced in two. Only God didn't use
his sword. You see, over time that boulder developed a
little crack, not big, you might not even really see
(08:54):
it with your eye, a little crack. What happened from there? Water, inevitably,
maybe it's snow melting, maybe it's rain. Water would get
in it, and then one night the temperature would drop
to such a degree that water would freeze. When water freezes,
it expands. When it expanded, pop the rock shattered into
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This is exactly what communists do in every single society.
They find existing cracks, legitimate cracks, by the way, oftentimes
legitimate cracks. They find the cracks in your society, They
get inside of that crack and they try to freeze
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it to shatter the society. And the global communists most definitely,
the Soviets recognize the civil rights movement, not just in
America but other places, but the civil rights movement as
an incredible opportunity for them to shatter the country, and
they got to involved in it. They were very focused
(10:02):
about being involved in it. They viewed it as an
opportunity to break America, to break Western civilization. This was
going on in many different countries in the nineteen sixties. Now,
I already laid out the government of Rhodesia at the time.
(10:22):
How do you think their government, how do you think
that's landing with the global civil rights do gooders on
the planet. Let me spoil it for you. It ain't
landing well, and Britain decides they want to do something
about it. Uh oh, we'll be back days the Jesse
(10:44):
Kelly Show on a magnificent magnificent Thursday. Do not forget
tomorrow's ask doctor Jesse Friday. You need to email your questions.
They don't have to be political, doesn't matter what it is, history, food, whatever.
Email them into Jesse at Jesse kellyshow dot com. It
is the nineteen sixties. The civil rights movement across the
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globe has been invaded and infected by communists doing the
best they can to divide Western society. And of course
Britain has their communists as well. We have our Democrats,
they have their Labor Party, the Labor government in Britain.
They don't like the look of Rhodesia right now. Yeah,
(11:28):
of course it's wealthy, it's prosperous, it's clean, it's wonderful.
But not everyone gets to vote. In fact, not very
many Black Africans get to vote. Lots of white Europeans
get to vote, and so they start pushing. Remember at
(11:49):
this point, Rhodesia is a British colony. I cannot stress
that enough. A British colony, meaning they are under the
British crown. Says, uh, how about one man, one vote,
everyone gets to vote. Well, the government, the people of Rhodesia,
they understandably said, excuse me, look around at Africa. Do
(12:13):
you have any idea what's going to happen if we
allow everybody to have a vote with no property requirements
and know nothing of it. Do you understand what will
happen here? The whole place will be over all this prosperity.
The communists didn't want to hear it. One man, one vote,
one man, one vote, over and over and over and
over again. Now Rhodesia has to make a choice. And
(12:38):
keep in mind that I'm really skipping over some boring
political negotiations. But Rhodesia's government they were trying as hard
as they could to do whatever they had to do
to work with Britain. So they didn't have to do
well what they're about to do, meaning in nineteen sixty one,
(12:59):
they even changed how they do the voting. They didn't
change it completely, but they opened it up a little
bit more, kind of introduced tiars to it. You could
be in the A tier. The beat again their work.
They're trying to massage the situation without giving up their country.
Britain did not want to hear it. The Communists in
(13:21):
Britain did not want to hear it, and they said, no,
you will do this, and so Rhodesia they rebelled. There's
no other way to put it. In nineteen sixty five,
rhodesha said, yeah, we're not a British colony anymore. Now
we're ours, We're Rhodesia, we're independent and this is how
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we're going to run things.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Now.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Now pause for a second. You have probably heard of
the SAS before, the Special Air Service. If you have not,
you should know that that is the British version of
the Navy's and in fact they came about really because
of the British fighting in Northern Africa. They were the
(14:06):
guys parachuting behind enemy lines doing all kinds of you know,
special operations stuff. They are to this day, bad to
the bone, bad dudes. The British SAS well. Up to
this point, remember we're in the sixties. Rhodesia's military they
would work hand in hand with Britain's military because again
(14:28):
it's a British colony, and Rhodesia had an SAS as
well that trained with the British sas. Super super bad dudes.
You get what I'm saying. Rhodesia declares independence in nineteen
sixty five. Britain is so angry about this, they actually
(14:51):
consider a military response to the open rebellion of the
Rhodesian country of the Rhodesian government, and they approached the
British sas and start talking to them about it. The
British SAS had such a level of respect for the
(15:13):
Rhodesians they had trained with and worked with, the British
government essentially faced a mutiny from within their own high
level sas. The guys weren't going to go Nah, I'm good,
I'm not. You want me to attack Rhodesia. Nah, Now
(15:33):
you got to do something. If you're the British government, right,
you can't let open rebellion go, especially these white racists
in Rhodesia. And again, I want to remind you of
something I reminded you of last night. Over half of
the Rhodesian army was black Africans. This is not a
(15:54):
white versus black thing. How it was sold to the planet.
Black Africans died with their European brothers in this war.
Europeans would give their lives to save Black Africans in
this war. This wasn't some Nazi that's not at all.
How it was. Yes, there were fewer black voters, no
(16:16):
question about it. It was not a white versus black thing. Anyway,
Britain has to do something. So they essentially get the world,
that really most of the civilized world, to sanction Rhodesia.
(16:37):
This is a country that is landlocked. Keep in mind
they have no access to water, anything like that. Britain
slaps sanctions strict ones on Rhodesia. Now, this would normally
be about the end of any landlocked country, but Rhodesia,
(16:57):
to their credit, they had a couple of friends and
those friends happen to be neighbors. We'll talk about those
friends some combat things in a moment. We'll be back.
Jes It is the Jesse Kelly Show on a fantastic,
fantastic Thursday. Remember to send in your ask Doctor Jesse
(17:17):
questions for tomorrow. Remember you can download the show iheard Spotify, iTunes,
let's get back to the story here. Nineteen sixty five,
Rhodesa declares it's independence. Britain is upset, to put it mildly,
they get the rest of the world and they themselves
slap crippling sanctions on Rhodesia, or I should say what
(17:39):
should be crippling sanctions on Rhodesia. But Rhodesia has a
couple of friends. Now we need to do something that
I did with you the first night, but we're probably
gonna do this a couple more times because you have
to visualize this. You don't have to look at a map.
You can, but I want you to draw a circle
in your mind, or maybe you can draw one of
(18:00):
if you're a visual person. I want you to make
this a clock. Okay, so it's a clock. Now. From
twelve o'clock to six o'clock, that's obviously half o'clock, there
is a country known as Mozambique, all right, Mozambique. From
twelve o'clock over to let's call it ten o'clock, there
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is a country known as Zambia. All right. From six
o'clock to about eight o'clock there is South Africa. Why
am I doing this? Slame clock thing, because it matters
so much for our story. South Africa. We will begin there.
South Africa and Rhodesia are as tight as tight can get.
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There are so many South Africans in Rhodesia. They love
each other, they work together, they have similar forms of
They are best, best, best freaking friends. As far as
countries go. South Africa is a friend. When these sanctions
get slapped on Rhodesia, South Africa steps up and says, hey,
(19:14):
we got you, sell us your stuff. We'll continue to
trade with each other. South Africa also has and this
will definitely matter for our story throughout our story. They
have that wonderful, wonderful liquid gold known as oil. They
keep Rhodesia's well supplied with oil. They have a friend. Now,
(19:36):
let's go to Mozambique. Remember the twelve o'clock to six o'clock, big,
big border with Rhodesia. They're also friendly because Mozambique at
this point, and this will change. Spoiler alert, this is
going to change. Mozambique is run by the Portuguese, all right,
the Portuguese Rhodesia. They get along. They are still working
(20:00):
with each other, trading. Zambia the country in the Northwest.
Forget about them. We are going to get to them.
They're going to be featured here shortly. But Rhodesia has friends.
What's the result of this, They declare independence. All these
sanctions they're supposed to be bankrupted, Rhodesia's flourishing, flourishing. They
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went independent and they're getting along really, really well. Now
we have to go globally again, because this will matter
for the rest of our story. Communists, it's a religion
of destruction and domination. As we've talked about so many
times before, communism was never supposed to be about any
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one country. Communism was always designed, always pushed as being
a global thing. At this point in history, the Soviet
Union is churnin and burning, China churning and burning. These
are communist countries and they are very very interested in
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spreading their communism globally. And they are then, just as
they are now, very very interested in the continent of Africa.
Africa is gigantic, it is strategically located. They have all
kinds of resources that every country wants. The communist nations
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on the planet want Africa, and they want all of it.
And they recognize there's an opportunity. Here. We have this
country called Rhodesia. Britain has cut them off, and there's
a crack, isn't there. We're ready to discuss that crack.
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There are all kinds of little villages and African reservations,
essentially in Rhodesia, Black Africans who have not had a
standard of living equal to the white Europeans. There's enough
of a crack there that can be exploited. And now
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terrorism starts. Terrorism mainly from Zambia. Zambia. Remember it's that
twelve o'clock to ten o'clock the northwestern border, that's Zambia.
The Soviets and the Chinese both form groups African communist,
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African nationalists, whatever word you want to put on it,
African groups, and they decide they're going to have a
go at conquering Rhodesia. And they weren't even that subtle
about it. The Soviets freaking gave them tanks. They would
send advisors, Chinese advisors, Soviet advisors. How involved are the
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Soviets and Chinese and this will matter for the rest
of our story. They would take African leaders and they
would ship them to places like the Soviet Union, like China,
like East Germany, and they would ship them there for training.
And I mean in depth training, not just weapons training,
not just battle tactics. I'm talking about insurgency tactics, communist tactics.
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How do you infect a place? How do you infiltrate
a place? How do you destroy a place? Training camps
for the Africans put on by the Soviets and the Chinese,
and the poor Rhodesians don't even understand what is about
to come their way, but they do. The night a
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white farmer, it's nineteen sixty six, a white farmer and
his wife, they are ambushed and slaughtered on their farm.
I need to set up something here. I already mentioned.
Rhodesia is a huge country. I mentioned that last night.
Not so much night, it's this is a very very
big place. It's not a small country. And they of
course have these cities, these urban areas. But as I've said, farming, agriculture,
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it's such a wonderful land for that. It's just made
for that. It was a huge part of their economy,
huge part of what they did. And there were these
huge farms that the Europeans ran and owned, and they
had of course Africans working on their Black Africans working
with them, and things like that. But these farms, as
you can imagine, you can't put a farm in the
(24:30):
middle of the city. They are rural, rural farms. They're
out there, they're in the hinter lands. They're not right
next to the cop shop. This creates a security nightmare
for Rhodesian farmers. There will come a day we're not
there yet in our story where farmers will have twelve
(24:52):
foot high security fences all around their homes because they
were worried their kids couldn't go to the in the
yard without a bunch of guerrillas chopping them up with machetes.
That's how dangerous this situation is. But they don't know
this yet, right because the terror hasn't started. Well, the
terror just began nineteen sixty six, white farmer and his
(25:13):
wife butchered, butchered, and the Communists in Africa, in the
Soviet Union in China, they want the terror to increase,
and they found I was about to say an unlikely ally,
but anyone even vaguely familiar with our political situation in
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the United States of America will understand it's the most
likely ally in the world, wouldn't you know it, Young
college girls started to help the international communists smuggle in
weapons they could use to commit acts of terror. As
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I have said many times, there is no more vicious,
violent communist on the planet than the liberal white woman.
It's just a fact. So we will continue with all
this in a moment. Is the Jesse Kelly Show on
a fantastic Thursday getting ready to move into Ask doctor
(26:17):
Jesse Friday. Get your questions emailed into Jesse at Jesse
kellyshow dot com. Back to our story of the Rhodesian
bush War, terrorist attacks have begun. Russia has their own
group of African nationalists communists. China has their group of
African Nationalists communists. They are receiving training. Now again, it's
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not that I'm apologizing, but I'm just gonna drop more
details on you because the details are actually necessary. Most
of the time, details kill a story. But you have
to understand this, two different groups of African nationalists communists. Okay,
there is ZAPU going to go into what it stands for.
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That's a detail, doesn't matter. ZAPU backed by the Soviets.
Then there's ZANU backed by the Chinese. Don't worry about
making sure you know who's back by who. Zapu backed
by the Soviets, Zanu backed by the Chinese. These organizations,
as I said, are being trained by the Soviets in
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the Chinese in infiltration tactics. Rhodesia is not fully aware
of it yet, but war has already been declared on
them by the Soviets in the Chinese, who want to
make Rhodesia a communist country, and they start by sending
rebels over the border. In fact, let me give you
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a summary of how this war is going to go.
Not to spoil the ending, but you probably get it
by now. Let me give you a summary of how
this war is going to go. There aren't that many
white Europeans in Rhodesia, right, two hundred thousand, give or
take two hundred thousand of them. That big of a
military twenty thousand again, give or take. It's gonna depend
on the time period twenty thousand. In the military, the
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Communists are going to start setting up shop in the
countries around Rhodesia, and they're going to start making incursions
into the country. The military is going to fly out
and kill this incursion and kill that incursion. They find
ten guys here and twenty guys there, and they find this,
and they find that. But over time, as the world
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retreats on poor Rhodesia, the incursions increase in volume, increase
in frequency. You understand, this is the very beginning of it.
We're in like nineteen sixty six here. What's happening now
is the Rhodesian military, which is elite, absolutely elite. Are
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There are a few different elements to the military. I
want to mention right now. They have an air force.
Remember when I said South Africa and Rhodesia are super tight.
About half of the Rhodesian Air Force is actually South African,
South African pilots, South African planes. That's how tight they are.
That will matter later on. So there's an air force.
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They have the Rhodesian Light Infantry. Again, I want to
stress over half of the Rhodesian Light Infantry were Black Africans.
This is not a white versus black war. The Rhodesian
Light Infantry amazing troops, amazing troops again, outdoor people, rugged people,
mandatory military service. They were amazing troops. And then there
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were actually two different kind of special operations forces, special
Green Berets, Navy seals. Okay, there were the Rhodesian sas
I already mentioned them earlier, bad dudes. And then there
is another group super super cool called the Cellus Scouts
or Seleuse Scouts. I've heard it pronounced a thousand different
(29:54):
ways as I was doing my research for the show.
These are all excellent units, top tiering units. They are
having no problem hunting down and wiping out these rebels
right now because there simply aren't enough of them. You
should know, the first group of rebels who came across
the border was not a big group, got hunted down
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and annihilated almost immediately. They get located, hunted down, annihilated.
The air force is used, helicopters are used to they
have to stay mobile because there aren't enough of them
to just be stationed all over the country. They have
to put them in various spots and then be ready
to hop on a plane, hop on a helicopter, and
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get where you're going. The use of parachutes and helicopters
is something that will last throughout this war. All right,
group comes in, gets wiped out. Group comes in, gets
wiped out. The Communists, though they're starting to get smarter,
as they fail what they had initially tried to do.
(31:00):
Who was, as I mentioned, terrorist tactics. Hey, let's butcher
a farmer in the family, let's throw a let's throw
a bomb in an ice cream shop. Let's just basic
what you would kind of recognize today as more Jihati
terror tactics. But the Rhodesian military, the Rhodesian intelligence service
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was so good. These tactics weren't working that great. They
wanted the Kammis needed more power, and so they started
to do something. They started to set up secret camps
inside of the country, inside Rhodesia. Remember it's a huge place,
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so you don't just send in ten idiots from Zambia.
You try to set up camps inside. Now, we were
about to get to a point where it's going to
get very difficult on the Rhodesians. But they're definitely winning
right now. And a huge part of why they're winning
is these Kammi terrorists are coming from Zambia, virtually all
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of them from Zambia, because Zambia is the one that's
not a friend. Well, the border between Zambia and Rhodesia
is a big river. Rivers help provide security because they're
hard to cross. They're hard to cross unknown, that's for sure.
The Rhodesians understand. If they simply keep this river monitored,
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keep your patrols up there, you should be able to
locate and snuff out all the Kami terrorists, either as
they're coming or shortly after they come. You hunt them down,
you snuff them out. And I mentioned earlier the sell
Us Scouts Selus Scouts. I'm just going to call the
cell Us Scouts. I went to community college. They did
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so much cool stuff. One of the things they were
so good at the SAS two but was tracking. It's
wild when you read the books, how these guys track.
They'd be out there in the bush and they'd come
across sign that terrorist groups had come, and they would
just start hunting them like they were animals for a day,
(33:10):
two days, three days, following the tracks like like like bloodhounds,
and then they'd finally find them. You make a phone call,
you bring in the troops. You kill them all. You
find them, make a phone call, bring in the troops,
kill them all. And I know we're about to be
done with our story. I'm gonna get back to politics.
Sometimes wounded terrorists trying to get back to Zambia, would
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be eaten by crocodiles in the rivers. One guy I
read a story about he was wounded, got hunted down
by a lion. Wild. What's happening? But tomorrow something will
happen that will spell eventually disaster for the Rhodesians. That's
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gonna have to wait till tomorrow, or wait Monday, Chris, Monday,
not Tuesday. No, we're not making them wait till tuesday.
That's not right. No, No, tomorrow or Monday. We'll do
it Monday, all right. Our story continues on Monday. Back
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The Burden is a documentary series that takes listeners into the hidden places where justice is done (and undone). It dives deep into the lives of heroes and villains. And it focuses a spotlight on those who triumph even when the odds are against them. Season 5 - The Burden: Death & Deceit in Alliance On April Fools Day 1999, 26-year-old Yvonne Layne was found murdered in her Alliance, Ohio home. David Thorne, her ex-boyfriend and father of one of her children, was instantly a suspect. Another young man admitted to the murder, and David breathed a sigh of relief, until the confessed murderer fingered David; “He paid me to do it.” David was sentenced to life without parole. Two decades later, Pulitzer winner and podcast host, Maggie Freleng (Bone Valley Season 3: Graves County, Wrongful Conviction, Suave) launched a “live” investigation into David's conviction alongside Jason Baldwin (himself wrongfully convicted as a member of the West Memphis Three). Maggie had come to believe that the entire investigation of David was botched by the tiny local police department, or worse, covered up the real killer. Was Maggie correct? Was David’s claim of innocence credible? In Death and Deceit in Alliance, Maggie recounts the case that launched her career, and ultimately, “broke” her.” The results will shock the listener and reduce Maggie to tears and self-doubt. This is not your typical wrongful conviction story. In fact, it turns the genre on its head. It asks the question: What if our champions are foolish? Season 4 - The Burden: Get the Money and Run “Trying to murder my father, this was the thing that put me on the path.” That’s Joe Loya and that path was bank robbery. Bank, bank, bank, bank, bank. In season 4 of The Burden: Get the Money and Run, we hear from Joe who was once the most prolific bank robber in Southern California, and beyond. He used disguises, body doubles, proxies. He leaped over counters, grabbed the money and ran. Even as the FBI was closing in. It was a showdown between a daring bank robber, and a patient FBI agent. Joe was no ordinary bank robber. He was bright, articulate, charismatic, and driven by a dark rage that he summoned up at will. In seven episodes, Joe tells all: the what, the how… and the why. Including why he tried to murder his father. Season 3 - The Burden: Avenger Miriam Lewin is one of Argentina’s leading journalists today. At 19 years old, she was kidnapped off the streets of Buenos Aires for her political activism and thrown into a concentration camp. Thousands of her fellow inmates were executed, tossed alive from a cargo plane into the ocean. Miriam, along with a handful of others, will survive the camp. Then as a journalist, she will wage a decades long campaign to bring her tormentors to justice. Avenger is about one woman’s triumphant battle against unbelievable odds to survive torture, claim justice for the crimes done against her and others like her, and change the future of her country. Season 2 - The Burden: Empire on Blood Empire on Blood is set in the Bronx, NY, in the early 90s, when two young drug dealers ruled an intersection known as “The Corner on Blood.” The boss, Calvin Buari, lived large. He and a protege swore they would build an empire on blood. Then the relationship frayed and the protege accused Calvin of a double homicide which he claimed he didn’t do. But did he? Award-winning journalist Steve Fishman spent seven years to answer that question. This is the story of one man’s last chance to overturn his life sentence. He may prevail, but someone’s gotta pay. The Burden: Empire on Blood is the director’s cut of the true crime classic which reached #1 on the charts when it was first released half a dozen years ago. Season 1 - The Burden In the 1990s, Detective Louis N. Scarcella was legendary. In a city overrun by violent crime, he cracked the toughest cases and put away the worst criminals. “The Hulk” was his nickname. Then the story changed. Scarcella ran into a group of convicted murderers who all say they are innocent. They turned themselves into jailhouse-lawyers and in prison founded a lway firm. When they realized Scarcella helped put many of them away, they set their sights on taking him down. And with the help of a NY Times reporter they have a chance. For years, Scarcella insisted he did nothing wrong. But that’s all he’d say. Until we tracked Scarcella to a sauna in a Russian bathhouse, where he started to talk..and talk and talk. “The guilty have gone free,” he whispered. And then agreed to take us into the belly of the beast. Welcome to The Burden.