October 28, 2025 • 16 mins
For this edition of Whatd'ya Do That's New, we review Deborah's choice, which is a 19-minute long video on YouTube about 'Ed Gein: The Real-life Leatherface.' Next week, we review Jack's choice, which is a BBC Radio 2 interview with Bruce Springsteen and the man who plays The Boss in a new film, Jeremy Allen White.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
Hey, guys.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
I hope you guys doing well.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
So the fight back home to East Africa Tanzania is
twenty two hours, So you gotta come up with a
different plan. You gotta fly out from here somewhere in Europe,
spend a couple of days, and then fly back home
and do the same thing in return. There is no
way you're sitting in a place for twenty two hours
and still be saying thanks bye bye ee.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
I never heard the term ethical carnivore, but it's interesting
you bring that up. I've been a vegetarian for twenty
something years now. I don't eat red meat, fish, or chicken,
but I do eat eggs and dairy. But I've always
said that I don't eat meat because I don't have to.
You know, I can just go to the grocery store
and buy whatever I need. Now, if my only choice
for eating that night was to get naked and pounce
(00:50):
on a deer and rip its throat out to eat,
you bet your biffy, I do it. You bet your biffy, bitfy,
bet your bibby.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
I've not heard that before. Really, I don't know what
a biffy is. Oh you can. You said it wrong?
I guess money. By the way, is your fourklo like keyword?
That's m O N e y. Just slide over to
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the game, got to turn your phone on. Uh, you
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(01:21):
And I don't care what it says when it calls
no caller ID a number you don't recognize. You got
to pick it up. That's how they tell you you've
won money. Is the four OKL like keyword? Good luck?
We hope you win for sure. Welcome back on Jim,
there's deb Hello Jack, Yo and Ross. It's true. Let's
do what you do that?
Speaker 5 (01:35):
You what did you do that?
Speaker 1 (01:42):
What you do that? I need to tell?
Speaker 2 (01:50):
That's right. Closman Law k l A U S m
A in law dot com office is right there on
Winter Park four oh seven nine one seven seventeen eighteen
car crash called Klausman. We'll talk to Glynn on Thursday
for Colbert Core. What'd you do? That's new Every Tuesday
here on the show at four block, one of the
members of this show will choose something for the other
members to watch, read or listen to. We will do that.
We will reconvene discuss that, and then move on to
(02:11):
the next member. It is Deb's choice. This Deb's choice
this week, and we'll find out what Jack has to
offer here in one second.
Speaker 6 (02:18):
De Yeah, well, I know it's a Netflix show that's
on right now about ed Gean more of a dramatization
than it's.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Like a mini series kind of thing. In that documentary,
it is a dramatization, Yeah, a dramatization dark Fargo. Yeahgogo dude.
Speaker 6 (02:33):
But as it turns out, his story is a lot
darker that I wouldn't want to extend it into anything
over the nineteen minutes that really I assigned. So it's
ed Gean the real life leather Face. It's a little
over nineteen minute video on YouTube that gives really the
background into ed Geen's story, how he became where, how
he became the monster that he became. What I thought
(02:54):
was interesting was that such a diminutive mousey man ended
up inspiring three of the biggest horror films of generations.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
You could say, you're right, they were generationally, they were
psycho first in the sixties. Then you had a Chainsaw
Masker in the seventies and then Silent of the Lambs
in the nineties or Silence of the Lambs in the nineties.
Speaker 6 (03:17):
And what I didn't realize is that Psycho was written
by millwa like a what did they call him, a
pulp fiction writer.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, from Milwaukee.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Who had been following the ed Gen story.
Speaker 6 (03:27):
I've always just given, you know, a credit to Hitchcock
for Psycho, not realizing it was a book first it was.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Yeah, I did not realize that book calls. Yeah, I
did not realize that.
Speaker 6 (03:38):
And I also did not realize it was someone who was,
you know, tied to the Edgeen story, who had followed
it from the beginning, and that truly he was the inspiration.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
For that character.
Speaker 6 (03:48):
Yeah. Yeah, So I thought it would be the most
palatable way to ingest anything of ed Green would be
no more than nineteen minutes.
Speaker 7 (03:55):
Yeah yeah, I'm not a fan of too much of
this stuff, but I agree with you, dad, it was.
I think it's worthwhile because understanding where so much pop
culture has been derived from, and especially with the new
Netflix series, to kind of just get a short encapsulation
of who this guy was. I didn't know and oh
my god, his mother got away with everything she did
(04:17):
that she could unleash this, whether it's unwittingly unleash this
into the world, but go up, you know, throughout her
life and then just move on to the next plane
without any connection to the horrors that would follow.
Speaker 6 (04:36):
And it's so interesting because her religious fanaticism was all
in a way of trying to save her sons from
the evils of the world, and instead she ended up
creating in the world.
Speaker 7 (04:46):
Amazing.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Yeah, he was. He And the thing that was really
scary about ed Gen is like when you watch any
of the footage from the early court covers, because they
did do some of it when he was leaving coming in,
he was a complete psycho like he is, he was
completely checked out psychosis, did not understand what was going on,
didn't understand then agent. I mean, he was, of course
(05:07):
of considered insane. They wouldn't even put him on Troy
they did, but you know, he was. He was considered insane.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
In the state of Wisconsin. Said yeah, yeah, yeah, we're
good with.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
That, yeah, yeah, yeah, because he was just that guy
who did the most egregiously awful stuff and would have
no reaction to it. I mean, no remorse, no nothing.
Matter of fact. I think they stopped him at one
point from now. I didn't see this in the in
this thing, but they when they were in court, they
stopped him on one type from looking at the photos because
the judge realized he was getting aroused that part watching
(05:38):
the crime photos.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
That part I didn't know that.
Speaker 6 (05:40):
The big takeaway for me is that one of the
lead investigators, Shlay I believe it was his name, beat
ed Dean's head up against a brick wall, something you
wouldn't hear about, you know, until he confessed and then
died several months later of a heart attack that his
friends had always attributed to the horrors that he had seen.
Because again we're looking at this from the lens of
(06:01):
twenty twenty five, but back in the nineteen fifties, there
wasn't a place in pop culture culture of any kind
for someone of your neighbors who didn't look like Satan
to be doing these kinds of acts.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
And this is fewer than ten years outside of World
War Two. And I heard a number of people that
would that looked at this case said that the stuff
reminded them like what was happening to bodies. The mutilation
was what they saw in war. Because it was being done,
they thought it.
Speaker 7 (06:26):
They go into the house, thought it was an animal
dressed hanging from the beam, and I realized it was
a headless woman.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Yeah, it was the It exactly the mother of one
of the detectives, Was it not It.
Speaker 6 (06:36):
Was one of the sherif's deputies who had stopped by
his mother's hardware store, and that she wasn't there. It
was It was him going hmmm, this is interesting to
make that first phone call that ended up just unraveling
the whole case, and for him to die really in
obscurity just goes to show the.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Eighties, by the way, in the eighties as he was
in the eighties four, which.
Speaker 6 (06:55):
Goes to show that it's like, Okay, we already got
your character.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
We don't need to learn about you anymore. We've already
got Psycho leather Face and Buffalo Bill.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
And something the guy said at the end of this
I found very fascinating. He talked about the psychology of
why people like that become heroes or become like.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
These well tricks of fascination.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
And the victims get lost, like he robbed forty graves
all over the entire state, forty graves he robbed. So
he dragged forty women, children, women, whatever, out of their
graves back to his house. And that's why he had
a multitude of body parts around his house. And you know,
of course furniture made from the skin and bones of women.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Yeah, so he was trying to make.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
His own suit of a woman because his mom.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Wanted to become his mom.
Speaker 6 (07:38):
Yea a la psycho, you know, right up there with
you know, sealing off his mother's room and leaving it
exactly as she had left it, and again, you know,
killing his brother. And you guys think about that. His
brother is found with a blow to the back of
his head, but the coroner still rules it smoke in
elation and.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
We don't know that it was in debth. It doesn't
feel like it was.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Yeah, I'm gonna say forensically.
Speaker 5 (08:01):
So yeah, I've always found the fascination, not the fascination,
but like the it's not celebrating, but it's our morbid
curiosity that turns out legit forever and infamous pieces of
cinema and content having Like, do you guys know what
inspired Freddy Krueger. It was a it was a news
(08:23):
story about Asian people dying in the middle of their sleep.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (08:28):
Wow, So like to see just to find out the
inspiration of basically every cornerstone of the horror genre that
we know it today, at the very least, you know,
the slasher genre. It's so cool and fascinating to find
out the origin.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Yeah, you're right, and you know you you watch Texas
chainsaw right, and the guy who played the guy was
the six foot six, three hundred pound monster of a dude, right,
and he's like, you know, running crazy killing people with
meat hooks and chainsaws and the real guys five to
five a buck fifty right on a good day after
(09:05):
a little bitty dude.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Yeah exactly.
Speaker 6 (09:07):
I mean the kind of guy you'd see walking around
town and you'd assume, you know, probably got his butt
beat in school and then find out he was bullied
so bad that once he graduated high school, he ran
back to mommy and never socialized again.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
That's right.
Speaker 6 (09:22):
Think about what that means at age eighteen until you're
forty nine to fifty and you've never socialized again.
Speaker 7 (09:28):
But then dropped out and he becomes a handyman. Yeah,
and he actually you know, starts working, so he did
have to interact with people later on, but in that.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
They said he was even kind.
Speaker 6 (09:39):
Someone just texted us at seven seven zero three one
and said their grandfather lived in Plainfield.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Honestly, no joke.
Speaker 6 (09:46):
It made for a really odd Thanksgiving dinner in family reunions.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
I wonder if his is where that is is still around? Yeah,
oh yeah, he's looking at Plainfield.
Speaker 5 (09:55):
Yeah, well he's looking at the bird in the middle
of the table, going yeah, I remember that.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
No, I'm talking about like, obviously the house isn't gonna
be there anymore, but the area of where it is.
I wonder if that's been developed over.
Speaker 6 (10:07):
Plainfield has a current population of nine hundred and twenty
four people.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
So I'm gonna go out on a lemon say.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
No, it's probably still there.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
It is still there, the town of Plainfield is.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Well. The interesting thing, we were watching this BTK thing
the other night, right, the BTK killer's daughter did a documentary, right,
and she goes back to where the house is where
she grew up and where you know, where they live
while this was going on, and it's been bulldozed, right,
And as she's there driving by, you know, and filming
this spot. Two of the neighbors come out and start
(10:36):
screaming at her, going, you know, I'm sure this is
great for your movie, but you don't have to live
with this every day. You don't have to live with
people driving by our house every day, getting out, blocking
the road, taking pictures, going on to the property and trespassing.
We live with this every day of our life. Where
you were once your old man did. Don't drive back
(10:56):
here as a to make your little movie and then
haul last and then have us in the entire neighborhood
have to deal with the history of your old man,
and then by making a movie, bringing more publicity into
it and only increasing the amount.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Of fat traffic.
Speaker 6 (11:09):
And yet it's egregious that when she has this this
meeting with him, the first meeting since his arrest, and
he realizes that she's trying to find out, you know
what other grizzly things have you left behind, and he
accuses her of using him to get fame. It's like, no,
I've already been famous thanks to you, and I never.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Asked for that same.
Speaker 6 (11:27):
Yeah, So it's interesting too. At the end, I thought
of you Jack when the guy and you too, Ross
when he brought up the fact of you know, it's
a shame that we have to be fascinated with the
people who perpetrate the worst acts among us, because most
of us, to be honest, we wouldn't see a biography
about one of the victims.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
I'll say something cold. I mean, this is cold but truing.
But the victims have no story. Their story is they're
a victim. I mean the you know, the person taking
life or doing the deed, right, you know, doing some
of those horrible things. And by the way, also the
nature of the crimes, like, yeah, you can you can
also romanticize a bank robber. We've done that before with
John Dillon, Germ, Pretty Boy Floyd and stuff like that.
But those are just crimes against an institution. These are
(12:06):
crimes against other people, and the worst kind of that.
I think that's what also drives some of that morbid curiosity.
Speaker 7 (12:13):
A woman owning a hardware store is not outside the norm, right, yeah, yeah,
you know.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
A guy kill.
Speaker 7 (12:20):
Deer, right, stams outside the norm, which makes it interesting.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Right exactly.
Speaker 6 (12:24):
And I think the victims, you know, I agree with you, Jimmy,
they don't have the same story. They do have a
story But the fascination I think with humanity remains in
what in you broke, What in you can we study,
what in you can we try to avoid in the future.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
I think that's the fascination.
Speaker 6 (12:40):
They're so far outside of humanity that they almost become.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Yeah, and the scary objects of fascination, and the scary.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Partn theerre's no answer. We have a bunch of these
people we've studied, there's no answer. There's no way to
predict what they're going to do.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Well, I mean, in some ways animal killing.
Speaker 6 (12:56):
I mean, thankfully they're able to see serial killer the
habit that start from when their children and Jeffrey Dahmer,
you know he did in his parents thought well that's
kind of weird.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Yeah, But I mean he targeted a certain group of people,
and they're differently than John Wayne Gasey. What I'm saying
is is you don't know that. I mean, you he
may show all the science, peeing, the bed, killing animals,
starting fires, those are all signs that you could have
somebody with that sociopathic serial killer gene. But what I'm
saying is is the nature of doing that doesn't direct
you to what kind of victims are going to happen
(13:25):
until they start happening. But you, whether it be Dahmer, Gaysey, whomever.
Speaker 7 (13:28):
You also need someone to identify the signs and then
seek to correct that by getting help, as opposed to
his mother in at Geme's mother, which was she was
just on her own mission and she it was more
like adding fuel to the fire. So that was already
burning in this guy.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Well, a good pick. It was a lot of very interesting.
I think it wrapped up pretty well in nineteen minutes.
I'd read a lot about Gan before this. I thought
it was pretty pretty comprehensive.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
It was interesting.
Speaker 6 (13:58):
This is actually the first deep dive into a geeve
ever done.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Have you seen the Netflix show?
Speaker 1 (14:02):
I haven't. Oh yeah, I haven't.
Speaker 6 (14:04):
And this was the other reason why I signed this,
because you guys have talked about it being kind of
a dramatization, and he's kind of, you know, portrayed a
little bit more generously than what he really was in life.
And I think if you really want to see what
the red real ed Geen was like, watch these documentary
clips instead of the Netflix of.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Those dead blue eyes. He never blinks.
Speaker 5 (14:22):
I'm throwing this out here saying anything about ed Geen
in the Netflix show being as generous. That's a stretch
for me because they paint him like a weird out. Yeah,
but he never has conversation with the girls or any
of that stuff.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
That never happened. No, but like him, even the idea
of him having a normal conversation with any human being
outside of his mother would be completely out of realm.
Like he couldn't go, he wouldn't go on a date,
he would not do that, he would not socialized.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
He never did that even then, Like it's just like
any anybody's wearing.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Skin in a show.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
I'm like, yeah, they're giving him, they're giving him too
nice of a treatment.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
What do you have for us next week?
Speaker 7 (14:58):
Well, recently this past week and hope weekend for the
Springsteen Deliver Me from Nowhere film. I went to see it.
I absolutely loved it, and I'd love for you guys
to go see it.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
But that's a big ass Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Instead, is it bombed? It did not bomb.
Speaker 7 (15:15):
It was fine.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
It made nine millions.
Speaker 6 (15:17):
Im did you realize that the lead character who's from
the bear, Yeah, did not know how to sing correct,
did not know how to play the guitar.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Imagine why it bombed.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
So no, I mean, have you seen him sing?
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Yeah, No, I heard the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
I literally I saw a clip of it.
Speaker 6 (15:33):
I'm like, oh, so they dubbed in Bruce Springston and
he's lip syncing, and then when I heard him say no.
In fact, I didn't know I wanted to take the
project project because I didn't know how to do any
of those things.
Speaker 7 (15:42):
In fact, that was why. Oh and now now I
should go for the longer one because Jim's being a
dick about it.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
No, don't punish the rest of us.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Being a dick about it bombing. It's just fact. It's
just fact. So I should have dropped that movie on Hiroshima.
Speaker 7 (15:56):
It performed less than anticipated, does not refer to the
quality of the film at hand, and you cannot judge
that until you see a film. All right, Oh you can.
I think you're kind of judging, very judging yet anyway,
So what I have assigned is a fifteen minute I
believe it's fifteen minutes yep, fifteen minutes fifty seconds. Interview
(16:18):
with the BBC Radio two where they interview both Springsteen
and Jeremy Allen White. In the same they even talk
about his singing and wondering like who is it?
Speaker 2 (16:30):
But you get a little
Speaker 7 (16:31):
Springsteen's Pass, a little about the movie, and a little
about Jeremy Allen White, so it was kind of
Hey, guys.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
I hope you guys doing well.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
So the fight back home to East Africa Tanzania is
twenty two hours, So you gotta come up with a
different plan. You gotta fly out from here somewhere in Europe,
spend a couple of days, and then fly back home
and do the same thing in return. There is no
way you're sitting in a place for twenty two hours
and still be saying thanks bye bye ee.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
I never heard the term ethical carnivore, but it's interesting
you bring that up. I've been a vegetarian for twenty
something years now. I don't eat red meat, fish, or chicken,
but I do eat eggs and dairy. But I've always
said that I don't eat meat because I don't have to.
You know, I can just go to the grocery store
and buy whatever I need. Now, if my only choice
for eating that night was to get naked and pounce
(00:50):
on a deer and rip its throat out to eat,
you bet your biffy, I do it. You bet your biffy, bitfy,
bet your bibby.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
I've not heard that before. Really, I don't know what
a biffy is. Oh you can. You said it wrong?
I guess money. By the way, is your fourklo like keyword?
That's m O N e y. Just slide over to
real Radio dot FM and send that on for your
chance in one thousand bucks. Guys, remember, if you're playing
the game, got to turn your phone on. Uh, you
got to turn it up so you can hear it.
(01:21):
And I don't care what it says when it calls
no caller ID a number you don't recognize. You got
to pick it up. That's how they tell you you've
won money. Is the four OKL like keyword? Good luck?
We hope you win for sure. Welcome back on Jim,
there's deb Hello Jack, Yo and Ross. It's true. Let's
do what you do that?
Speaker 5 (01:35):
You what did you do that?
Speaker 1 (01:42):
What you do that? I need to tell?
Speaker 2 (01:50):
That's right. Closman Law k l A U S m
A in law dot com office is right there on
Winter Park four oh seven nine one seven seventeen eighteen
car crash called Klausman. We'll talk to Glynn on Thursday
for Colbert Core. What'd you do? That's new Every Tuesday
here on the show at four block, one of the
members of this show will choose something for the other
members to watch, read or listen to. We will do that.
We will reconvene discuss that, and then move on to
(02:11):
the next member. It is Deb's choice. This Deb's choice
this week, and we'll find out what Jack has to
offer here in one second.
Speaker 6 (02:18):
De Yeah, well, I know it's a Netflix show that's
on right now about ed Gean more of a dramatization
than it's.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Like a mini series kind of thing. In that documentary,
it is a dramatization, Yeah, a dramatization dark Fargo. Yeahgogo dude.
Speaker 6 (02:33):
But as it turns out, his story is a lot
darker that I wouldn't want to extend it into anything
over the nineteen minutes that really I assigned. So it's
ed Gean the real life leather Face. It's a little
over nineteen minute video on YouTube that gives really the
background into ed Geen's story, how he became where, how
he became the monster that he became. What I thought
(02:54):
was interesting was that such a diminutive mousey man ended
up inspiring three of the biggest horror films of generations.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
You could say, you're right, they were generationally, they were
psycho first in the sixties. Then you had a Chainsaw
Masker in the seventies and then Silent of the Lambs
in the nineties or Silence of the Lambs in the nineties.
Speaker 6 (03:17):
And what I didn't realize is that Psycho was written
by millwa like a what did they call him, a
pulp fiction writer.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, from Milwaukee.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Who had been following the ed Gen story.
Speaker 6 (03:27):
I've always just given, you know, a credit to Hitchcock
for Psycho, not realizing it was a book first it was.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Yeah, I did not realize that book calls. Yeah, I
did not realize that.
Speaker 6 (03:38):
And I also did not realize it was someone who was,
you know, tied to the Edgeen story, who had followed
it from the beginning, and that truly he was the inspiration.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
For that character.
Speaker 6 (03:48):
Yeah. Yeah, So I thought it would be the most
palatable way to ingest anything of ed Green would be
no more than nineteen minutes.
Speaker 7 (03:55):
Yeah yeah, I'm not a fan of too much of
this stuff, but I agree with you, dad, it was.
I think it's worthwhile because understanding where so much pop
culture has been derived from, and especially with the new
Netflix series, to kind of just get a short encapsulation
of who this guy was. I didn't know and oh
my god, his mother got away with everything she did
(04:17):
that she could unleash this, whether it's unwittingly unleash this
into the world, but go up, you know, throughout her
life and then just move on to the next plane
without any connection to the horrors that would follow.
Speaker 6 (04:36):
And it's so interesting because her religious fanaticism was all
in a way of trying to save her sons from
the evils of the world, and instead she ended up
creating in the world.
Speaker 7 (04:46):
Amazing.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Yeah, he was. He And the thing that was really
scary about ed Gen is like when you watch any
of the footage from the early court covers, because they
did do some of it when he was leaving coming in,
he was a complete psycho like he is, he was
completely checked out psychosis, did not understand what was going on,
didn't understand then agent. I mean, he was, of course
(05:07):
of considered insane. They wouldn't even put him on Troy
they did, but you know, he was. He was considered insane.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
In the state of Wisconsin. Said yeah, yeah, yeah, we're
good with.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
That, yeah, yeah, yeah, because he was just that guy
who did the most egregiously awful stuff and would have
no reaction to it. I mean, no remorse, no nothing.
Matter of fact. I think they stopped him at one
point from now. I didn't see this in the in
this thing, but they when they were in court, they
stopped him on one type from looking at the photos because
the judge realized he was getting aroused that part watching
(05:38):
the crime photos.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
That part I didn't know that.
Speaker 6 (05:40):
The big takeaway for me is that one of the
lead investigators, Shlay I believe it was his name, beat
ed Dean's head up against a brick wall, something you
wouldn't hear about, you know, until he confessed and then
died several months later of a heart attack that his
friends had always attributed to the horrors that he had seen.
Because again we're looking at this from the lens of
(06:01):
twenty twenty five, but back in the nineteen fifties, there
wasn't a place in pop culture culture of any kind
for someone of your neighbors who didn't look like Satan
to be doing these kinds of acts.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
And this is fewer than ten years outside of World
War Two. And I heard a number of people that
would that looked at this case said that the stuff
reminded them like what was happening to bodies. The mutilation
was what they saw in war. Because it was being done,
they thought it.
Speaker 7 (06:26):
They go into the house, thought it was an animal
dressed hanging from the beam, and I realized it was
a headless woman.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Yeah, it was the It exactly the mother of one
of the detectives, Was it not It.
Speaker 6 (06:36):
Was one of the sherif's deputies who had stopped by
his mother's hardware store, and that she wasn't there. It
was It was him going hmmm, this is interesting to
make that first phone call that ended up just unraveling
the whole case, and for him to die really in
obscurity just goes to show the.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Eighties, by the way, in the eighties as he was
in the eighties four, which.
Speaker 6 (06:55):
Goes to show that it's like, Okay, we already got
your character.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
We don't need to learn about you anymore. We've already
got Psycho leather Face and Buffalo Bill.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
And something the guy said at the end of this
I found very fascinating. He talked about the psychology of
why people like that become heroes or become like.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
These well tricks of fascination.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
And the victims get lost, like he robbed forty graves
all over the entire state, forty graves he robbed. So
he dragged forty women, children, women, whatever, out of their
graves back to his house. And that's why he had
a multitude of body parts around his house. And you know,
of course furniture made from the skin and bones of women.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Yeah, so he was trying to make.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
His own suit of a woman because his mom.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Wanted to become his mom.
Speaker 6 (07:38):
Yea a la psycho, you know, right up there with
you know, sealing off his mother's room and leaving it
exactly as she had left it, and again, you know,
killing his brother. And you guys think about that. His
brother is found with a blow to the back of
his head, but the coroner still rules it smoke in
elation and.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
We don't know that it was in debth. It doesn't
feel like it was.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Yeah, I'm gonna say forensically.
Speaker 5 (08:01):
So yeah, I've always found the fascination, not the fascination,
but like the it's not celebrating, but it's our morbid
curiosity that turns out legit forever and infamous pieces of
cinema and content having Like, do you guys know what
inspired Freddy Krueger. It was a it was a news
(08:23):
story about Asian people dying in the middle of their sleep.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (08:28):
Wow, So like to see just to find out the
inspiration of basically every cornerstone of the horror genre that
we know it today, at the very least, you know,
the slasher genre. It's so cool and fascinating to find
out the origin.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Yeah, you're right, and you know you you watch Texas
chainsaw right, and the guy who played the guy was
the six foot six, three hundred pound monster of a dude, right,
and he's like, you know, running crazy killing people with
meat hooks and chainsaws and the real guys five to
five a buck fifty right on a good day after
(09:05):
a little bitty dude.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Yeah exactly.
Speaker 6 (09:07):
I mean the kind of guy you'd see walking around
town and you'd assume, you know, probably got his butt
beat in school and then find out he was bullied
so bad that once he graduated high school, he ran
back to mommy and never socialized again.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
That's right.
Speaker 6 (09:22):
Think about what that means at age eighteen until you're
forty nine to fifty and you've never socialized again.
Speaker 7 (09:28):
But then dropped out and he becomes a handyman. Yeah,
and he actually you know, starts working, so he did
have to interact with people later on, but in that.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
They said he was even kind.
Speaker 6 (09:39):
Someone just texted us at seven seven zero three one
and said their grandfather lived in Plainfield.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Honestly, no joke.
Speaker 6 (09:46):
It made for a really odd Thanksgiving dinner in family reunions.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
I wonder if his is where that is is still around? Yeah,
oh yeah, he's looking at Plainfield.
Speaker 5 (09:55):
Yeah, well he's looking at the bird in the middle
of the table, going yeah, I remember that.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
No, I'm talking about like, obviously the house isn't gonna
be there anymore, but the area of where it is.
I wonder if that's been developed over.
Speaker 6 (10:07):
Plainfield has a current population of nine hundred and twenty
four people.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
So I'm gonna go out on a lemon say.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
No, it's probably still there.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
It is still there, the town of Plainfield is.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Well. The interesting thing, we were watching this BTK thing
the other night, right, the BTK killer's daughter did a documentary, right,
and she goes back to where the house is where
she grew up and where you know, where they live
while this was going on, and it's been bulldozed, right,
And as she's there driving by, you know, and filming
this spot. Two of the neighbors come out and start
(10:36):
screaming at her, going, you know, I'm sure this is
great for your movie, but you don't have to live
with this every day. You don't have to live with
people driving by our house every day, getting out, blocking
the road, taking pictures, going on to the property and trespassing.
We live with this every day of our life. Where
you were once your old man did. Don't drive back
(10:56):
here as a to make your little movie and then
haul last and then have us in the entire neighborhood
have to deal with the history of your old man,
and then by making a movie, bringing more publicity into
it and only increasing the amount.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Of fat traffic.
Speaker 6 (11:09):
And yet it's egregious that when she has this this
meeting with him, the first meeting since his arrest, and
he realizes that she's trying to find out, you know
what other grizzly things have you left behind, and he
accuses her of using him to get fame. It's like, no,
I've already been famous thanks to you, and I never.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Asked for that same.
Speaker 6 (11:27):
Yeah, So it's interesting too. At the end, I thought
of you Jack when the guy and you too, Ross
when he brought up the fact of you know, it's
a shame that we have to be fascinated with the
people who perpetrate the worst acts among us, because most
of us, to be honest, we wouldn't see a biography
about one of the victims.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
I'll say something cold. I mean, this is cold but truing.
But the victims have no story. Their story is they're
a victim. I mean the you know, the person taking
life or doing the deed, right, you know, doing some
of those horrible things. And by the way, also the
nature of the crimes, like, yeah, you can you can
also romanticize a bank robber. We've done that before with
John Dillon, Germ, Pretty Boy Floyd and stuff like that.
But those are just crimes against an institution. These are
(12:06):
crimes against other people, and the worst kind of that.
I think that's what also drives some of that morbid curiosity.
Speaker 7 (12:13):
A woman owning a hardware store is not outside the norm, right, yeah, yeah,
you know.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
A guy kill.
Speaker 7 (12:20):
Deer, right, stams outside the norm, which makes it interesting.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Right exactly.
Speaker 6 (12:24):
And I think the victims, you know, I agree with you, Jimmy,
they don't have the same story. They do have a
story But the fascination I think with humanity remains in
what in you broke, What in you can we study,
what in you can we try to avoid in the future.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
I think that's the fascination.
Speaker 6 (12:40):
They're so far outside of humanity that they almost become.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Yeah, and the scary objects of fascination, and the scary.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Partn theerre's no answer. We have a bunch of these
people we've studied, there's no answer. There's no way to
predict what they're going to do.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Well, I mean, in some ways animal killing.
Speaker 6 (12:56):
I mean, thankfully they're able to see serial killer the
habit that start from when their children and Jeffrey Dahmer,
you know he did in his parents thought well that's
kind of weird.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Yeah, But I mean he targeted a certain group of people,
and they're differently than John Wayne Gasey. What I'm saying
is is you don't know that. I mean, you he
may show all the science, peeing, the bed, killing animals,
starting fires, those are all signs that you could have
somebody with that sociopathic serial killer gene. But what I'm
saying is is the nature of doing that doesn't direct
you to what kind of victims are going to happen
(13:25):
until they start happening. But you, whether it be Dahmer, Gaysey, whomever.
Speaker 7 (13:28):
You also need someone to identify the signs and then
seek to correct that by getting help, as opposed to
his mother in at Geme's mother, which was she was
just on her own mission and she it was more
like adding fuel to the fire. So that was already
burning in this guy.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Well, a good pick. It was a lot of very interesting.
I think it wrapped up pretty well in nineteen minutes.
I'd read a lot about Gan before this. I thought
it was pretty pretty comprehensive.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
It was interesting.
Speaker 6 (13:58):
This is actually the first deep dive into a geeve
ever done.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Have you seen the Netflix show?
Speaker 1 (14:02):
I haven't. Oh yeah, I haven't.
Speaker 6 (14:04):
And this was the other reason why I signed this,
because you guys have talked about it being kind of
a dramatization, and he's kind of, you know, portrayed a
little bit more generously than what he really was in life.
And I think if you really want to see what
the red real ed Geen was like, watch these documentary
clips instead of the Netflix of.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Those dead blue eyes. He never blinks.
Speaker 5 (14:22):
I'm throwing this out here saying anything about ed Geen
in the Netflix show being as generous. That's a stretch
for me because they paint him like a weird out. Yeah,
but he never has conversation with the girls or any
of that stuff.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
That never happened. No, but like him, even the idea
of him having a normal conversation with any human being
outside of his mother would be completely out of realm.
Like he couldn't go, he wouldn't go on a date,
he would not do that, he would not socialized.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
He never did that even then, Like it's just like
any anybody's wearing.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Skin in a show.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
I'm like, yeah, they're giving him, they're giving him too
nice of a treatment.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
What do you have for us next week?
Speaker 7 (14:58):
Well, recently this past week and hope weekend for the
Springsteen Deliver Me from Nowhere film. I went to see it.
I absolutely loved it, and I'd love for you guys
to go see it.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
But that's a big ass Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Instead, is it bombed? It did not bomb.
Speaker 7 (15:15):
It was fine.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
It made nine millions.
Speaker 6 (15:17):
Im did you realize that the lead character who's from
the bear, Yeah, did not know how to sing correct,
did not know how to play the guitar.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Imagine why it bombed.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
So no, I mean, have you seen him sing?
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Yeah, No, I heard the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
I literally I saw a clip of it.
Speaker 6 (15:33):
I'm like, oh, so they dubbed in Bruce Springston and
he's lip syncing, and then when I heard him say no.
In fact, I didn't know I wanted to take the
project project because I didn't know how to do any
of those things.
Speaker 7 (15:42):
In fact, that was why. Oh and now now I
should go for the longer one because Jim's being a
dick about it.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
No, don't punish the rest of us.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Being a dick about it bombing. It's just fact. It's
just fact. So I should have dropped that movie on Hiroshima.
Speaker 7 (15:56):
It performed less than anticipated, does not refer to the
quality of the film at hand, and you cannot judge
that until you see a film. All right, Oh you can.
I think you're kind of judging, very judging yet anyway,
So what I have assigned is a fifteen minute I
believe it's fifteen minutes yep, fifteen minutes fifty seconds. Interview
(16:18):
with the BBC Radio two where they interview both Springsteen
and Jeremy Allen White. In the same they even talk
about his singing and wondering like who is it?
Speaker 2 (16:30):
But you get a little
Speaker 7 (16:31):
Springsteen's Pass, a little about the movie, and a little
about Jeremy Allen White, so it was kind of
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