AI DIGITAL ID COMING TO USA? (Tech Tuesday) 12-9-25

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Tack into the latest in tech and how it affects
you and your world. This is tech Talk Tuesday on
Wood Radios, West Michigan Live. Our good friend Trent. Can
it be affordable Line Store, Lake Michigan, drive in stand
now and the folks at Grand over Tech. Whether you
need help with the personal devices A you got questions

(00:20):
about big business or it could be your small business,
could be your organization, your church, your school. Trent Welling
and ready to help serve you in those capacities as well. Trent,
thanks for joining us this morning.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Appreciating good morning.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
Justin so, we got lots on the table today and
like I said, some of this is going to be
driven just like we do every week by AI. Today
the conversation. I saw this over on Drudge and wanted
to dive in with you because it's something that I
think a lot of people are looking at when it
comes to what is up ahead AI and the drive

(00:56):
for Digital ID Alaska Right now now, the state plotting
an AI driven digital ID identity payments and biometric data center.
Now I hear that, probably like most people listening to
this program, go oh no, here we go. The state's

(01:17):
new system could turn bureaucracy into automation and consent into
a checkbox. No one really controls the piece here from
reclaimthnet dot org obviously a group that is not in
favor of this, But this isn't. This isn't. This is
an idea and one that people have been watching for

(01:39):
a long time because we have a situation where in
the United States particularly, but all throughout we've already seen
the UK they want to do this too. There's a
push for digital id et cetera. Because we got people
coming in from all over the world. A lot of
them are here. We don't even know who's here and
what they're doing here and why they're here. I mean,
all of these things. The UK has got a very
similar Now it's not illegal, im but it's certainly immigration

(02:02):
there where they're dealing with it and thinking about rolling
this out as well and rightfully, so you could see
how this is got some folks concerned.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
Yeah, justin You've got to look at these things from
a practical standpoint. First, understand, some of the average jos
who are part of the governments, the city slash federal
state governments, are looking this from a practical standpoint. These
government agencies. Think of the state of Alaska have hundreds
of services that they provide their citizens, between healthcare, unemployment, insurance, taxes.

(02:36):
I mean, there's a whole list of things that the
state provides. And you've got to remember in Alaska especially,
people are spread out all over the place. So think
of going to get a document notorized how far you
got to go, maybe some places that you live, and
think of the cost associated with that, the time and hassle.
So from a practical standpoint, they're saying, hey, if we

(02:56):
have this new fangled computer system that can just merge
all these services into one have a very simple system
of ID and it sounds all really good on paper,
where it's just going to simplify everything, But when we
take a step back, justin it's later when we realize
the consequences of these systems. We realize what they do
later that how easy is it to hack your identity

(03:19):
when everything is in one house, one place and all
they have to do is hack one single sign in
to vote for you, to sell your house, to apply
a loan. I mean, ideas, theft is already rampant, and
they still have to jump through some hoops with different
banks or different entities organizations to hack. You think about
if they have to hack one log in to your

(03:40):
ID system and boom, they have access to everything, They
can download everything, and they can do anything they want
on your behalf. That just puts us at a very
vulnerable position.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
Here's the story AI Digital ID out of Alaska. They're
moving ahead with the digital AI power digital idea system
with link residents identities directly to payments, benefits, and government
services as a trench. Just mentioned the plan outline in
state documents obtained by Reclaim the Net describes a single
digital credential tied to biometric verification and real time identity checks.

(04:17):
Privacy groups are already wanting it could create a centralized
database tracking everything from financial transactions to daily activity. State
officials say it's about efficiency and fraud prevention, but as
you just mentioned, it might be the vehicle to actually
drive fraud. Critics are arguing here in Alaska testing the

(04:40):
kind of government managed digitaliting that many fear will spread nationwide.
It's not a like I said, it's not an unreasonable
idea thought to consider. I think it's going to be
a tough sell, but one of the ways that they'll
use to sell. This is the immigration issue here in America,
UK and some of the other places where they're going

(05:01):
to say, look, how do you track all these people?
We got to give everybody an ID. You'll have to
buy or sell using this ID. And if you don't
have one, you're here illegally, and which means you can't
buy or sell. You're just going to have to self deport.
That's how they'll sell it.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
Yeah, Justin, that is very uncharted territory. I would never
want to be an early adopter on this new digital
ID system. These things are in the digital world. When
we hear of hacks, and we hear of all the
issues related to government and identity theft and information being stolen,
I would not want my state to be the first
person I would want to see this digital system perfected.

(05:40):
I would want to see it not in the hands
of any government third party contractors. There's so many things
that could go wrong here. Justin, that's way too much
sensitive data under one roof.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
The story will continue to develop. The biggest question on
all that on this tech stuff, because I think we've
kind of gotten to a point now where we can
do things. We can sure do a lot of things,
but not everything that we can do we'll want to do,
if you know what I mean. And certainly those things
will make us more efficient, but well, they also bring
other challenges and consequences, like everything does right alongside with it.

(06:15):
I think that's a big question and one that deserves
to be answered. It's like AI. When you're looking at
the automated driving like trucks out on the road. They say,
you know, we may need because we got a lot
of these immigrants that don't speak English. They should be
you're driving these trucks making things so dangerous, killing people
out on the roads. Maybe it's time that we push

(06:39):
the AI automatic trucks. They'll be safer than actual people
driving the trucks. And see, folks, that'll be the way
they say. It's always how this type of thing works.
You got to give people some sort of reason to
make that move. Trent, That's that's my fear. Anyway, I
see that on the horizon.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
Heh. Justin one quick thought about that all. Let's just
say all the digital ID system, the digital E computer
ran trucks. Let's say everything is just works flawless and
there's no issues with it. What happens when the Internet dies.
Justin what happens if there's a solar flare, never mind
some foreign attack or somebody accidentally cuts a cable or
whatever things happened. Justin, our internet grid is not strong

(07:22):
enough and robust enough yet to handle this. All. That's
assuming that there's no issues with the software, the program,
the autonomous vehicles, whatever, is just simply flawless. Even our
internet grid needs work. So this technology is a little
bit too new because our grid needs to support that
as well. A lot of work needs to be done
yet before these things actually get put into place in real.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
Life, Jason says, I don't want a digital ID. By
the way it says, sounds more like a leash than
a freedom pass. It's probably the best way to put it. Jason,
very good point. All right, all over to AI. I
got this email earlier from you was talking ab Trump's
moved to issue an executive order that would create a

(08:03):
national AI rule, And essentially what this would do. What
he wants to do is yet rend a cut regulation
essentially across the board throughout the entire country and make
one sort of universal way of doing things instead of
having fifty states chime in and do it their own way.

(08:24):
Now you may look at the Constitution and say, well,
the states ought to be able to do this, They
ought to be able to make these rules and decide
what's going to happen in each of their states. But
the President and I think others would make the case
that because of national security and really the survival of
the nation, you got to have the ability to move

(08:46):
forward with record speed in order to innovate and be
at the forefront of the say I think, because what
they'll say is, you know, AI is one thing, us
having control of it is another, and China is another.
The last thing you want is a country like China
that controls this technology. That's the case they'll make. Where

(09:09):
do you stand on this trent? And obviously this is
a this is a big subject that continues to be
talked about one way or the other. We'll get news
on this, I'm sure in the next couple of days.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
Yeah, justin what you just described is just the most
incredibly difficult thing to deal with. Right, If China can
use AI forever, every national security interest to have the
best planes, the best weapons, the west best hacking, the
best security protection, the best of everything. If AI truly
creates that for China or Russia or any other country

(09:42):
for that matter, they dominate the world, Justine, So there
is severe national security consequences if that happens. On the
other hand, look in the in the past, when our
government made nuclear bombs, when when during the Bush administration,
you know, wiretapping or other things, any people supported that,
and then years later you look at the dangers from

(10:04):
those decisions, to fall out from those decisions, the long
term implications. This is an impossible balance for our leaders
in our country. In the States are obviously involved in
the same thing with similar concerns Justin it's so hard
to figure out. We need leaders who are strong that
can work through these things, and somehow they have to
connect to the individuals. I don't care what political party

(10:27):
or what side. If they can't connect with us individual
people and generate legitimate trust and understand knowledge and information
sharing and what they're doing, I think nobody's going to
be happy. Everybody's going to be afraid, and everybody's going
to fight each other. In the States and Feds have
to get along in this AI stuff. One way or another.
They can't fight each other. They're going to go into

(10:49):
gridlock and nothing's going to happen.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
Yeah, bomb line. I just think you need to be
in the not so you can understand what's happening behind
the scenes and make the best decisions you can't for
you and your family. Always a pleasure, Trent. That's a
whole conversation. That little piece right there that we just
sort of skimmed over, that's a whole conversation for a
whole nother time. It's one that you could do a
whole show on, or even a series, because I think
it's going to be more important than days ahead. Knowing

(11:13):
what to trust, who to trust, and discern it part
of that process. Thank you, my friend. Always a pleasure.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
Thanks justin. Have a great day, Trent.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
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