May 9, 2025 • 41 mins
In today’s after show, we dug into the surprising background and beliefs of the newly elected Pope Leo XIV—America’s first pope—with commentary on his stances on climate change, gender ideology, and abortion that have both the left and right scratching their heads. We also celebrated President Trump’s bold move appointing Judge Jeanine Pirro as interim U.S. Attorney for D.C.—a signal that serious house cleaning is underway. I previewed our exclusive chats with legal expert Andrew Branca and green energy truth-teller Steve Gorham, plus shared the latest on the self-defense battle unfolding in Kent County. All this and more is now live for our Freedom Fam VIPs—join us at JustinBarclay.com/Locals.
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Let's break some of it down. More from our good
friend Andrew Brink of the attorney in that case, coming
up here in just a moment. I want to start
with Pope though, because there's some interesting I just find
some of this back and forth. Now, I know you
may not care about a lot of this, but who
is the guy? That's a question that a lot of
people are starting the wonner. Now, you can't judge anyone
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based on one post that you see on social media.
I'm gonna warn you if you see one post they made,
or one post that somebody share that they made, that's
good evidence to start to build the opinion. But I
don't know that that's necessarily you know, the end all
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be all. Let me say so to speak for the
Senning got you gotta give them a little bit more
time to figure that out. All right, it's from Chicago
originally ties to West Michigan. We dealt with that earlier.
That's cool, that's interesting at least, right. What about Pope
Leo in his own words? The New York Post has
(05:52):
done some reporting on this. In fact, I will share
a little bit of what they had in their in
their article just going through some of this. Oh, the
ads all the time, the ads, the pop ups and
everything else. Man, they're just so tough to even try
and read the thing known as Cardinal Robert Francis Prevos
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prior to those election Thursday, as a leader of the
Roman Catholic chure sixty nine year old Chicago native. That's
pretty young from Pope right, views on several controversial topics
can be gleaned from the past social media posts and
repost public remarks and interviews with media outlets. So here's
what they've compiled. What about climate change? Like his immediate predecessor,
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Francis Leola fourteenth, a strong believer that the faith will
have a responsibility to take care of the planet. Well,
that is not uncommon for Christians. They just word it differently.
They call it stewardship. We need to steward be a
good steward of our home, right. That's that's the way
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they would look at it.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Now.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
While we believe climate client changes, man may or you
know your suv charge it causes it, and you know
whether or not you need to be taxed for it,
you know, and we can just we tax you a
few more bucks and we can you know, we can
change the weather. That's a big jump. Here's what happened.
They then President of the Pontifical Commission for Latin American
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Prefect for the Dice Dichastriy of Bishops argued in November
last year that it's time to move from words to
action on the environmental crisis to what does that mean
now for you and me? We would take a look
at that and we'd say, as it's probably not job
this guy, keep an eye on him. Dominion over nature
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should not become quote tyrannical. Previous stressed, arguing that humanity's
relationship with the environment must be a relationship of reciprocity,
ording to according to Vatican News, Prevous further caution against
the quote harmful environmental impacts of technological development and highlighted
the Vatican's installation of solar panels and the use of
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electric vehicles. Probably not well informed on the situation, but
solar panels themselves can be harmful to the environment, and
even the batteries and the components used to produce those
those electric vehicles could be a little bit of an
issue there, mister Pope, I'm just drawing that out there.
(08:26):
The Holy Father may yet, maybe his views will evolve
on the situation at some point, who knows. In the meantime,
how about gender ideology and homosexuality? Will Francis famously told reporters,
who am I to judge gay people? Said, homosexuals must
be integrated into society. Leo, the fourteenth may be less accommodating. See,
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it's a it's an interesting spectrum. It's I think that'll
be an interesting use of words there. But it's an
interesting spectrum here of what they what they feel, and
how they come out what they say. Now, what he
does is going a whole other thing. In a twenty
twelve address to bishops, provosts accuse the news media and
popular culture for encouraging sympathy for beliefs he thinks, listen
(09:11):
that accuse the news media and popular culture for encouraging
sympathy for beliefs and practices that are at odds with
the Gospel. So when you say the guys awoke, Pope,
we've got to be careful about some of this stuff,
because I don't know that for a fact, you may
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throw the baby out with the bath water roll together.
I just don't think that that's maybe a great, a
great strategy, he says. Furthermore, while let's see, while among
those beliefs in practice, Provosts cited the homosexual lifestyle and
alternative families comprised of same sex partners and their adopted children.
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That's what he said were at odds. While bishop of
a town of northwestern Peru, Provos oppose a government initiative
to promote gender ideology teachings in schools. The promotion of
gender ideology is confusing, he said, because it seeks to
create gender that doesn't exist. He told the news media
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at the time, Okay, so you're getting a mixed bag here, folks,
and I don't know. I mean, I'm just want to
tell you before you throw the baby out with the bathwater,
we got to take all of this into consideration. And
I think the climate change war is over, so I
don't really care. I think what we're really watching right
now is this becoming a major issue, this idea that
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you know, gender ideology and everything has to be abortion.
On social media, Provots has expressed strong support for the
Catholic Church anti abortion stance. Well, this is this is
this is obviously the biggest right. In twenty fifteen, posted
a photograph from the March of Life March for Life
and uh cher Cleo Brew exhorting his follows, let's defend
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human life at all times, retweeting the twenty seventeen Catholic
News Agency article on New York Archbishop Cardinal Timothy Dolan
condemning abortion at a mass ahead the March of Life
rally in Washington, d C. So that's a big one.
Capital punishment. Now, popes have been back and forth on this,
(11:27):
but Provos expressed opposition to capital punishment, reflecting the Catholic
Church's position and francis commitment to the see the practice
inded worldwide. It's time to end the death penalty, you wrote. Now,
I'm kind of twisted with this too, because there are times,
well I can see that unless we make sure that
the consequences are clear for hain as Hainis acts, I
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think we continue to see them perpetrated. However, my Christian faith,
my belief, I'm strongly routed that can't deny this. Kids
woven into me says, you know that all life, all
life is precious, including those of these individuals who are
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responsible for some of the most evil and heinous acts.
And I're gonna let the Lord take his time with him.
And by the way, you know, they can repent, they
can change, people can be redeemed. That is something that
is hard for anyone who does not have the faith
to understand it really is euthanasia. In twenty sixteen, prevost
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reposted a Catholic News Agency article in which citizens of Belgium,
where euthanasia is legal, urged Canadians not to support legislation
that would allow for assistant suicides. Don't go there, Belgian's
plead with Canada not to pass euthanasian law. So you see,
like there are some things that really stack up that
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he seems to be on the right side of. In
October twenty seventeen, prevosts are tweeted a call for the
US new US gun control from Senator Chris Murphy, we
would be a massive odds on this. In the Bible,
Jesus tells Peter to go get what and a couple
of the disciples go gets sell your goods and go
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get a go get a sword, sell everything my sword,
and take it with you. Jesus believed in self defense.
This whole idea of you know, turn the other cheek
and that you should be allowed, you know, you should
be forced to not be able to defend yourself. That
is just not It's not true in the context. So
he and I we would all we would I think
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a lot of us be at odds with him on
that one. And this was after the Las Vegas incident.
Remember that, right. He says to my colleagues, your coarctice
to act cannot be whitewashed by thoughts and prayers. None
of this ends unless we do something. This was a
retweet from Chris Murphy, by the way, uh to stop it.
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He retweeted that, I mean that's that that to me
is troublesome. Now again, you've we just don't know what
he's going to do, what he's going to say in
you know, in the time like the time only time
will tell here on this, but some interesting things that
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you know just in this New York Post article in itself,
I think it's really it's really interesting. So anyway, I
just wanted to bring a few of those up for
you so that you could see them and know what
we're facing. There's there's a few more things. This Colin
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rug is a guy on Twitter. This is the one
I saw yesterday that I thought was really interesting. So
he's gone through. This is some of the things everything
you need to know about Pope Leo the fourteenth born
Robert Francis previous. So there's here's the here's the the
breakdown that I thought it was very well done, the
research he did on this. Born in Chicago nineteen fifty
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five and his father was an US Navy veteran who
fought in World War to His mother was a librarian.
He completed his second studies at the minor Seminary the
Order of Saint Augustine before earning his Bachelor of Science
and Mathematics at Villanova. So I think that seminary is
here in West Michigan, in fact, previous maybe Holland Privo
speaks multiple languages, including English, Spanish, Italian, French and Portuguese.
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He spent much of his career in Peru, serving as
a missionary and seminary teacher. He was appointed by Pope
Francis in twenty twenty three to recommend bishops and nominations worldwide.
He's the first American born pope in history. Provots has
shared pro immigration posts to his account on x in
the past. He opposes the promotion of gender ideology because
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it is confusing, because it seeks to create genders that
don't exist. He previously called out Western news media for
fostering sympathy from beliefs and practices that are at odds
with the Gospel, and he specifically called out the homosexual
lifestyle an alternative family. Either way, this is an improvement, guys,
this is an improvement. And here's a tweet for Sarah Rose.
(16:14):
He says liberals are so confused right now. They don't
know what to think about the guy. But Collins says, yeah,
conservatives are also very confused. But part of this is
just the nuance that I think we've forgotten, that that
people can have different thoughts and takes and different priorities
on things. And that's that's part of the whole conversation,
(16:39):
and we all expect everyone to sort of line up
one way or the other now, and that's just not
how it works here he is. There's some video of
him talking about some of these things in the past.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
One of the things that I certainly have learned more
about in the process of the of the Senate is, though,
if you will, wide varieties of underst standing the ministry
of the bishop, sometimes determined by cultural factors, sometimes determined
of course by personal issues, the personality, the character of
(17:11):
the bishop. But above all and around or underneath all
of that has to be a foundation of who a
bishop is called to be. And as Pope Francis has
reminded as many times, a bishop is called to serve.
His authority is service, and so to look for different
ways in which a bishop can serve in any given society,
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in any given church, I think.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
Is very important.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
The bishop is not supposed to be a little prince
sitting in his kingdom, but rather called authentically to be humble,
to be close to the people he serves, to walk
with them, to suffer with them, and to look for
ways that he can better live the Gospel message in
the midst of his people.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
That's interesting here he was yesterday. I'm not going to
play all of them, but just a little bit from
the balcony when he count out. Steve Bannon may have
predicted it the whole time, if you imagine this. There's
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apparently video that popped up. He was on Pierce Morgan
last week. I don't know who he thought. There was
another one, Cardinal Timothy Dolan in New York, that may
have been part of that running. But here's what the
Bannon said last week.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
I do think one of the dark horses, and I
think unfortunately he's one of the most progressive is Cardinal Provosts.
I don't think he's getting enough play.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
He is certainly on the short list. There you have it.
Look at that.
Speaker 5 (18:39):
As being and I think it's pretty shocking given how
the contempt they hold the American Church. The American Church
gives so much money, they're afraid it has too much power,
so they've never really wanted to have an American pope.
But my understanding is Prevost is one of the ones
closest to Francis ideologically. He's also had tremendous experience in
Latin America, and so he's one of the ones on
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the shortlist. I'm a big believer that Cardinal Sarah from
Africa would be a would be a perfect.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Lots of folks liked him, by the way.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
It would be a perfect selection right now for this
moment in the church. But I will tell everybody, this
is anybody's game right now between Parallel one of the traditionalists.
You have no earth the idea how this is going
to turn out. That's why I think this time, this
run up is so important, and it's kind of it's
interesting that it's ironic it's going to take place.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
It's going to kick off I think on the either.
Speaker 5 (19:32):
The day off or the day before the eightieth anniversary
of victory in Europe.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
So what a prophetic moment. Isn't that interesting? There's a
lot of fascinating things lining up with all of this.
Here's Larry Kudlow talking about.
Speaker 6 (19:48):
We're a business show. But as a practicing Catholic, I
want to weigh in on this whole story I made
in America pope who believes in the godliness of work,
and that's the subject of the riff. Like so many
of us in and out of the Catholic faith, I
never thought i'd see an American pope. Robert Provost, a genuine, authentic,
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made in America, pontiff from Chicago, from Villanova University, where
by the way, he was a math major. From the
Order of Saint Augustine. He worked in Peru, served time
in the Vatican, where, by the way, Pope Francis appointed
him to various administrative positions. So perhaps he can clean
up the Holy Sees financial problems. Now the media keeps
(20:32):
telling us about America's decline in the world, and yet
here's the Vatican electing an American pope. When he addressed
the thousands in Saint Peter's Square, he was wearing traditional
paper garb, quite unlike Pope Francis, who first appeared in
all white. He also took a traditional and popular name,
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that of Leo the fourteenth, another reassuring action. I'm sure
there'll be an endless debate over whether he is a progressive,
a centrist, or a conservative, and I don't know near
enough to answer that question. Some quick reading on my part, however,
suggests that he is a traditionalist who adheres closely to
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the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
He is a.
Speaker 6 (21:18):
Strong believer in traditional family values and then there's an
interesting speculation that Leo the fourteenth namesake predecessor Leo the
thirteenth of the nineteenth century was a great hero to
Catholic workers, a theological conservative of political moderate who wrote
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about the dignity of work and the importance of communities
and nations to provide productive labor to their people. The
dignity of work is one of my favorite themes. Work
is so central to a healthy society. Hard work is
such a great lesson for young people on their way
up the ladder of opportunity and success. Work is godly.
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And if, indeed, Cardinal Provost now Leo the fourteenth is
an apostle of work and traditional families, then I have
faith he will be a great success.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
So we'll have to wait and see. But that's interesting
Cudlow bringing that point out. Have you seen the interviews
with his brothers. There's a few. There's two brothers out there,
in fact, the pope, two from chicott One still lives
in Chicago, the other, I think is in Florida right now.
But apparently there's some really interesting conversations back and forth
(22:38):
with the pope, and at least with the brothers. There's
some of these news folks have come out with so
what are they saying? They're kind of telling some of
the stories behind the scenes. Here's one from the brother
in Florida that was interviewed about what his brother was
like and whatnot.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
My wife called and said, white smoke, white smoke. So
I turned the TV on watched the whites Man. It
took him almost an hour till they and when the
cardinal came out and we're all waiting and he goes
and he mentioned Roberto. I knew right away, and I
just it's like, if I had not been in bed
standing up, I might have collapsed, because it's like totally unexpecting,
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you know. It's like they said the first American pope,
that was a strike against him. He's young, two strikes,
but he's got a lot of worldwide experience in his
previous poets. So when we were little kids, we used
to I used to raise Cane with my two younger
brothers all the time. But he was always the holy
one and I as we used to tease him, you're
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going to be pope someday. You're too holy? What do
you want to be? And you know, joking, ribbing, and
when he went into the seminary, It's like, oh wow, okay.
And then a couple of years ago when the Pope
made him a cardinal, it's like, this could happen.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Holy cow, that is so cool. It's so different just
from a human perspective. Again, I'm not a Catholic, so
the Pope doesn't mean much to me as far as
you know, my faith and whatnot. But I can respect it,
and I am optimistic. I'm going to tell you that,
so optimistic and tell I see more that this will
(24:19):
be an improvement. By the way, there's so many Catholics,
so many people I would talk to that we're just
not They were just so disappointed in the last pope
for so many different reasons. So this is this is
at least I think maybe we've got an opportunity at
least in this case for improvement. All Right, I want
(24:40):
to bring you, and then I'm gonna have to break
because we're not gonna have a lot of time. We've
got to get ready for another conversation we're going to
have coming up at eleven this morning, conversation with Steve Gorum,
who's going to talk. We're going to go full in
depth on the on the Green new scam, how it's
all humbling what the Trump administration is doing behind the scenes,
(25:02):
and here in Michigan, particularly with the windmills, the solar
farms they are trying to put in, and all that boondoggle,
that money they're spending in the background, trying to make
it happen. Steve Gorum will join us and that'll be
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as this interview that we did yesterday, the full interview
with Attorney Andrew Brinka. I'm going to play a little
(25:23):
bit more for you that we didn't get to get
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become a supporter and do that in the VIP. And again,
I'm watching this thinking the same thing I just the
whole issue is a complete you know. Look, I think
we can all say it's a tragedy, But the question
to me comes down to are we going to allow
police to be police? And further, I mean, as someone
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who you know lives in Kent County here, and it's
not just the city, it's the whole county now that
we have to many parts of this county are not progressive,
they're not liberal, they're not trending this way in other
parts of cass We're looking at this the sheriffs that
are in jeopardy, and other police and other jurisdictions and
(26:26):
cities as well. So I think about this and I
think to myself, what do we want that outcome to be?
What do we want it to look like? And if
I have to defend myself in any way, shape or
form in the future, am I going to be charged
by this prosecutor? That's the question that I start to
think about. And I think people in this audience are
really questioning that. So I guess I ask you that
(26:47):
is is you know, do you have a right to
defend yourself in Kent County.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
Well, in any case of self defense, especially deadly force,
self defense. The law says you can use deadly force
and s defense if you're facing you reasonably perceive You
don't even have to be right. It could be an
honest mistake, a reasonable error, but you reasonably perceive that
you're facing an imminent threat of unlawful deadly force harm.
The law says you can use deadly force and self defense,
(27:14):
and you don't have to ask anyone's permission beforehand. You
don't have to get a slip of paper from a
judge saying it's okay for you to It's a very
powerful privilege of self defense. The trouble is all the
permission you don't.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
Have to.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
Have to ask for ahead of time is made up
by the inker the fact other people are now evaluating
whether they the deadly force was reasonable. This includes the police.
The Importantly, none of them were there, None of them
were physically present, none of them were eyewitnesses, and none
(27:51):
of them were you being attacked and genuinely fearing that
you were going to die if you didn't defend yourself.
That's why it's always some possibility of getting convicted, no
matter how innocent you are, nolise in the system because
ambiguity that these people weren't there. And that's even before
you get to a politically motivated persecution, which is what
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this was.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
All right, this is probably a good time to bring
this up with people law self defense dot Com. What
you do and why you do it? So give us
a heads up on this. I've been paying attention. I'm
very interested in this myself, because you know, I'm always
looking at that look. I have gone through all the
proper steps to do the concealed carry on, all those things,
(28:36):
and I think a lot of us are in this
audience particularly, are keenly aware of these things. But when
I took those classes and I took those steps, I realized, Okay,
this is just a beginning. I just did you know,
you're just kind of barely scratching the surface when it
goes through all the things that need need to be
aware of, and and in the increasingly political environment climate
(28:58):
we have nowadays, you know, always looking to make sure
that I'm doing the right thing. And that's why I
was really interested. Phillisen, what do you do? What's the
book and what do people need to know?
Speaker 4 (29:11):
Yeah, so it's kind of a good news bad news story.
And the bad news is most of what people think
they know about their legal privilege to use force and
self defense. And a lot of people know a lot,
but unfortunately most of what they know is bad. It's
bad information. They were taught it by people who didn't
really know what they were talking about. Because most people
who you would think would have expertise in self defense
(29:32):
law just don't. And that includes lawyers. Most lawyers. In
my three years of law school, we spent maybe five
minutes talking about self defense law. First year criminal law,
that was it. And even after a lawyer passes the bar,
unless he's a criminal defense lawyer, he has no need
to know any of this stuff. And even criminal defense
lawyers mostly defend criminals. That's the nature of the practice.
(29:55):
That's just the way it is. So if you talk
to criminal defense attorney and you ask him, and you're
twenty or thirty year career and I'm in my thirty
fourth year as a as an attorney, how many good
guy cases of self defense, genuine cases of self defense
have they had, Because they've argued self defense thousands of times,
but normally it's no sense claim itself. It's a bad
(30:17):
guy who just doesn't want to go to prison.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Defense have they had.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
In twenty thirty years. They'll tell you at four to five.
I mean, it's just really hard to get good at
something you only do four or five times in twenty
or thirty years. Most police are not well trained in
self defense law. They're trained by their academies and their
departments what they need to know to protect the department
against civil liability, but not to protect themselves against criminal liability,
(30:44):
which obviously is what for example, Christas Shore is facing here.
Most firearms self defense instructors and listen, I'm a NRA
certified instructor rifle pistol personal protection. I have been for decades.
We're just not taught this stuff at a high level.
And what happened with me is in the nineteen nineties,
I was a new lawyer. I'd been admitted to practice.
(31:04):
I was starting my law practice. I was also a
lifelong member of the gun community. I started competitive shooting
as a kid, small boar rifle. When I became an adult,
I started pistol shooting, IDPA other similar practical pistol sports.
And so my community knew me. They knew I was
a shooter, and they knew I was a lawyer, and
they would ask me questions like, hey, Andrew, when am
I allowed to use my gun to defend myself in
(31:26):
this kind of situation? And I realized I didn't actually
know the answer. I mean, I knew kind of a
very general answer, but I couldn't contextualize it for specific
facts of a specific scenario. That, by the way, is
true of most self defense instructors. If you go to
a CCW class and you asked that guy teaching the
class that same question, when can I use my gun
under this kind of circumstance, invariably he's going to say,
(31:49):
I'm not a lawyer, and it depends. It depends. Well,
that's not a very useful answer. And I thought, and
I was walking around with a gun. I had a
concealed carry permit. I was carrying a gun around, and
holy cow, I don't actually know what the rules are.
So I decided I better learn the rules. And I
found there was no good resource, even for lawyers to
know what the actual law self defense was. I had
(32:11):
to do primary legal research. I had to read court decisions,
jury instructions, statutes, and I was living in Massachusetts at
the time, and I did that. But Massachusetts is a
very small state, you drive thirty minutes in any direction,
you're in New Hampshire, Vermont, Connecticut, Rhode Island. So I thought, well,
I better learn those states self defense laws too, because
I'm in them every month. And when I did that,
(32:32):
I began to see a pattern the self defense law.
Of course, each state has its own statutes and court
cases and such, but the underlying principles were very similar,
and I thought, man, if it's similar for these five states,
I wonder if it is for all fifty states. And
I did the primary legal research for all fifty states,
and it turns out that self defense law in the US,
(32:54):
any US jurisdiction is based on just five legal principles.
That's it, and sometimes not even that many, often not
that many, but the most is five, which is great
news because self defense law can often seem like kind
of a black box. You put facts in one end,
you crank a handle, you get some kind of answer
out the other, but you don't really know how the
answer was arrived at. There's not five hundred things you
(33:17):
need to know about self defense. There's not even fifty.
There's only five. And once I realized there was only five,
I realized, well, I can apply those five in any
state in the country. And that's when we transitioned our
law practice from being a traditional criminal defense practice to
be a consulting practice. So I consult to other attorneys
all over the country when they have clients who've been
involved in the use of force event like Christopher Sure
(33:40):
and are now facing legal liability.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
So what is the membership? Obviously the book, we got
people in the chat telling us today, Hey, I got
the book today, and you know, instead of jumping in
on that, but what's your membership? How does that work?
Speaker 4 (33:57):
So we have a couple levels of membership. Very basic
membership that gets your access to like our blog, post,
our legal analysis. That's for members only. Then we have
a higher level of membership, which is what you need
to have in order to have me consult on your case.
So we don't take outside consults anymore. We have what
we call a Platinum level of membership. If you're a
Platinum member. When we took outside consults, we would charge
(34:19):
a minimum of ten thousand dollars to do a consult
on the case. Now we only provide consults for our
platinum members and they get that console for free. It
doesn't cost them anything, and not just for the trial.
For the trial, if there's a retrial, where there again.
If there's an appeal, we're there again. We cover them
until every legal avenue has been exhausted and they get
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it for free. The catch is they do need to
be a Platinum member or we just can't provide the
legal service. So we get calls every week in my
office from people who are involved in a use of
force event and then they google and they find us
and they become a Platinum member, like three days after
the event, and they'd like to get a consult. It
doesn't work that way. You have to be a Platinum
member first. But I always encourage people before they even
(35:00):
consider becoming a Platinum member, learn about us, watch our
blog post, get our free book. You know, develop a
sense of whether you feel you know we have the expertise,
which we do, but you should convince yourself of that
whether we have the expertise that would be valuable to you,
that would make the difference to you if you were
in Christopher Sure's shoes and looking at spending the rest
(35:22):
of your life in a cage. Christopher Sure is thirty
four years old. He'll probably live to ninety six decades
in a cage is what he's looking at. If he
gets convicted of this murder charge, there's no question this
judge will sentence him to the maximum. What's it worth
not to have that risk? That's what we provide through
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You know, I want to just talk because you're talking
about attorney. Let me pause it you because then I
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All right, that being said, I quickly want to talk
about this because it's good news. It's fantastic news. In fact,
(36:23):
I just realized I got two really like things that
are just going to put just an absolute smile on
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be the Attorney General that he wanted the US Attorney.
I did not not know Attorney general, but the US
Attorney in DC. I didn't realize it, but he was
following me over on Twitter. I just saw this. I'm like,
(36:48):
oh man, how cool. So I had to follow him back.
But Charlie Kirk posted this story. And you know now
that Judge Janine is going to be placed there interim.
She's going to be there while they go through this process.
But Charlie Kirk says it best. The left got its wish.
Ed Martin won't be the US Attorney in Washington, DC. Instead,
(37:10):
he'll get a senior DOJ job heading the investigation into
Biden era weaponization of the DOJ against conservatives. Be careful
what you wish for Libs. You just might get it.
That was my exact reaction when I heard this yesterday.
And that is fantastic way to put it, folks. This
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In fact, Letitia James asked by somebody at a rally
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Watch how she's confronted in the moment speaking of the
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President Trump for wasting millions of dollars and the.
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State of New York? Which trial and how.
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Oh god, God, thank you for coming. Of course they're
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We respect all opinions.
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Everybody knows those allegations are baseless.
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They're discredited, and so we want to thank him.
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We'll see a discredited behind bars. Welcome luck for you
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(04:48):
Let's break some of it down. More from our good
friend Andrew Brink of the attorney in that case, coming
up here in just a moment. I want to start
with Pope though, because there's some interesting I just find
some of this back and forth. Now, I know you
may not care about a lot of this, but who
is the guy? That's a question that a lot of
people are starting the wonner. Now, you can't judge anyone
(05:10):
based on one post that you see on social media.
I'm gonna warn you if you see one post they made,
or one post that somebody share that they made, that's
good evidence to start to build the opinion. But I
don't know that that's necessarily you know, the end all
(05:31):
be all. Let me say so to speak for the
Senning got you gotta give them a little bit more
time to figure that out. All right, it's from Chicago
originally ties to West Michigan. We dealt with that earlier.
That's cool, that's interesting at least, right. What about Pope
Leo in his own words? The New York Post has
(05:52):
done some reporting on this. In fact, I will share
a little bit of what they had in their in
their article just going through some of this. Oh, the
ads all the time, the ads, the pop ups and
everything else. Man, they're just so tough to even try
and read the thing known as Cardinal Robert Francis Prevos
(06:13):
prior to those election Thursday, as a leader of the
Roman Catholic chure sixty nine year old Chicago native. That's
pretty young from Pope right, views on several controversial topics
can be gleaned from the past social media posts and
repost public remarks and interviews with media outlets. So here's
what they've compiled. What about climate change? Like his immediate predecessor,
(06:33):
Francis Leola fourteenth, a strong believer that the faith will
have a responsibility to take care of the planet. Well,
that is not uncommon for Christians. They just word it differently.
They call it stewardship. We need to steward be a
good steward of our home, right. That's that's the way
(06:57):
they would look at it.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Now.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
While we believe climate client changes, man may or you
know your suv charge it causes it, and you know
whether or not you need to be taxed for it,
you know, and we can just we tax you a
few more bucks and we can you know, we can
change the weather. That's a big jump. Here's what happened.
They then President of the Pontifical Commission for Latin American
(07:19):
Prefect for the Dice Dichastriy of Bishops argued in November
last year that it's time to move from words to
action on the environmental crisis to what does that mean
now for you and me? We would take a look
at that and we'd say, as it's probably not job
this guy, keep an eye on him. Dominion over nature
(07:41):
should not become quote tyrannical. Previous stressed, arguing that humanity's
relationship with the environment must be a relationship of reciprocity,
ording to according to Vatican News, Prevous further caution against
the quote harmful environmental impacts of technological development and highlighted
the Vatican's installation of solar panels and the use of
(08:04):
electric vehicles. Probably not well informed on the situation, but
solar panels themselves can be harmful to the environment, and
even the batteries and the components used to produce those
those electric vehicles could be a little bit of an
issue there, mister Pope, I'm just drawing that out there.
(08:26):
The Holy Father may yet, maybe his views will evolve
on the situation at some point, who knows. In the meantime,
how about gender ideology and homosexuality? Will Francis famously told reporters,
who am I to judge gay people? Said, homosexuals must
be integrated into society. Leo, the fourteenth may be less accommodating. See,
(08:47):
it's a it's an interesting spectrum. It's I think that'll
be an interesting use of words there. But it's an
interesting spectrum here of what they what they feel, and
how they come out what they say. Now, what he
does is going a whole other thing. In a twenty
twelve address to bishops, provosts accuse the news media and
popular culture for encouraging sympathy for beliefs he thinks, listen
(09:11):
that accuse the news media and popular culture for encouraging
sympathy for beliefs and practices that are at odds with
the Gospel. So when you say the guys awoke, Pope,
we've got to be careful about some of this stuff,
because I don't know that for a fact, you may
(09:31):
throw the baby out with the bath water roll together.
I just don't think that that's maybe a great, a
great strategy, he says. Furthermore, while let's see, while among
those beliefs in practice, Provosts cited the homosexual lifestyle and
alternative families comprised of same sex partners and their adopted children.
(09:55):
That's what he said were at odds. While bishop of
a town of northwestern Peru, Provos oppose a government initiative
to promote gender ideology teachings in schools. The promotion of
gender ideology is confusing, he said, because it seeks to
create gender that doesn't exist. He told the news media
(10:17):
at the time, Okay, so you're getting a mixed bag here, folks,
and I don't know. I mean, I'm just want to
tell you before you throw the baby out with the bathwater,
we got to take all of this into consideration. And
I think the climate change war is over, so I
don't really care. I think what we're really watching right
now is this becoming a major issue, this idea that
(10:43):
you know, gender ideology and everything has to be abortion.
On social media, Provots has expressed strong support for the
Catholic Church anti abortion stance. Well, this is this is
this is obviously the biggest right. In twenty fifteen, posted
a photograph from the March of Life March for Life
and uh cher Cleo Brew exhorting his follows, let's defend
(11:07):
human life at all times, retweeting the twenty seventeen Catholic
News Agency article on New York Archbishop Cardinal Timothy Dolan
condemning abortion at a mass ahead the March of Life
rally in Washington, d C. So that's a big one.
Capital punishment. Now, popes have been back and forth on this,
(11:27):
but Provos expressed opposition to capital punishment, reflecting the Catholic
Church's position and francis commitment to the see the practice
inded worldwide. It's time to end the death penalty, you wrote. Now,
I'm kind of twisted with this too, because there are times,
well I can see that unless we make sure that
the consequences are clear for hain as Hainis acts, I
(11:51):
think we continue to see them perpetrated. However, my Christian faith,
my belief, I'm strongly routed that can't deny this. Kids
woven into me says, you know that all life, all
life is precious, including those of these individuals who are
(12:11):
responsible for some of the most evil and heinous acts.
And I're gonna let the Lord take his time with him.
And by the way, you know, they can repent, they
can change, people can be redeemed. That is something that
is hard for anyone who does not have the faith
to understand it really is euthanasia. In twenty sixteen, prevost
(12:33):
reposted a Catholic News Agency article in which citizens of Belgium,
where euthanasia is legal, urged Canadians not to support legislation
that would allow for assistant suicides. Don't go there, Belgian's
plead with Canada not to pass euthanasian law. So you see,
like there are some things that really stack up that
(12:56):
he seems to be on the right side of. In
October twenty seventeen, prevosts are tweeted a call for the
US new US gun control from Senator Chris Murphy, we
would be a massive odds on this. In the Bible,
Jesus tells Peter to go get what and a couple
of the disciples go gets sell your goods and go
(13:16):
get a go get a sword, sell everything my sword,
and take it with you. Jesus believed in self defense.
This whole idea of you know, turn the other cheek
and that you should be allowed, you know, you should
be forced to not be able to defend yourself. That
is just not It's not true in the context. So
he and I we would all we would I think
(13:37):
a lot of us be at odds with him on
that one. And this was after the Las Vegas incident.
Remember that, right. He says to my colleagues, your coarctice
to act cannot be whitewashed by thoughts and prayers. None
of this ends unless we do something. This was a
retweet from Chris Murphy, by the way, uh to stop it.
(14:02):
He retweeted that, I mean that's that that to me
is troublesome. Now again, you've we just don't know what
he's going to do, what he's going to say in
you know, in the time like the time only time
will tell here on this, but some interesting things that
(14:24):
you know just in this New York Post article in itself,
I think it's really it's really interesting. So anyway, I
just wanted to bring a few of those up for
you so that you could see them and know what
we're facing. There's there's a few more things. This Colin
(14:45):
rug is a guy on Twitter. This is the one
I saw yesterday that I thought was really interesting. So
he's gone through. This is some of the things everything
you need to know about Pope Leo the fourteenth born
Robert Francis previous. So there's here's the here's the the
breakdown that I thought it was very well done, the
research he did on this. Born in Chicago nineteen fifty
(15:08):
five and his father was an US Navy veteran who
fought in World War to His mother was a librarian.
He completed his second studies at the minor Seminary the
Order of Saint Augustine before earning his Bachelor of Science
and Mathematics at Villanova. So I think that seminary is
here in West Michigan, in fact, previous maybe Holland Privo
speaks multiple languages, including English, Spanish, Italian, French and Portuguese.
(15:31):
He spent much of his career in Peru, serving as
a missionary and seminary teacher. He was appointed by Pope
Francis in twenty twenty three to recommend bishops and nominations worldwide.
He's the first American born pope in history. Provots has
shared pro immigration posts to his account on x in
the past. He opposes the promotion of gender ideology because
(15:52):
it is confusing, because it seeks to create genders that
don't exist. He previously called out Western news media for
fostering sympathy from beliefs and practices that are at odds
with the Gospel, and he specifically called out the homosexual
lifestyle an alternative family. Either way, this is an improvement, guys,
this is an improvement. And here's a tweet for Sarah Rose.
(16:14):
He says liberals are so confused right now. They don't
know what to think about the guy. But Collins says, yeah,
conservatives are also very confused. But part of this is
just the nuance that I think we've forgotten, that that
people can have different thoughts and takes and different priorities
on things. And that's that's part of the whole conversation,
(16:39):
and we all expect everyone to sort of line up
one way or the other now, and that's just not
how it works here he is. There's some video of
him talking about some of these things in the past.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
One of the things that I certainly have learned more
about in the process of the of the Senate is, though,
if you will, wide varieties of underst standing the ministry
of the bishop, sometimes determined by cultural factors, sometimes determined
of course by personal issues, the personality, the character of
(17:11):
the bishop. But above all and around or underneath all
of that has to be a foundation of who a
bishop is called to be. And as Pope Francis has
reminded as many times, a bishop is called to serve.
His authority is service, and so to look for different
ways in which a bishop can serve in any given society,
(17:34):
in any given church, I think.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
Is very important.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
The bishop is not supposed to be a little prince
sitting in his kingdom, but rather called authentically to be humble,
to be close to the people he serves, to walk
with them, to suffer with them, and to look for
ways that he can better live the Gospel message in
the midst of his people.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
That's interesting here he was yesterday. I'm not going to
play all of them, but just a little bit from
the balcony when he count out. Steve Bannon may have
predicted it the whole time, if you imagine this. There's
(18:17):
apparently video that popped up. He was on Pierce Morgan
last week. I don't know who he thought. There was
another one, Cardinal Timothy Dolan in New York, that may
have been part of that running. But here's what the
Bannon said last week.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
I do think one of the dark horses, and I
think unfortunately he's one of the most progressive is Cardinal Provosts.
I don't think he's getting enough play.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
He is certainly on the short list. There you have it.
Look at that.
Speaker 5 (18:39):
As being and I think it's pretty shocking given how
the contempt they hold the American Church. The American Church
gives so much money, they're afraid it has too much power,
so they've never really wanted to have an American pope.
But my understanding is Prevost is one of the ones
closest to Francis ideologically. He's also had tremendous experience in
Latin America, and so he's one of the ones on
(19:01):
the shortlist. I'm a big believer that Cardinal Sarah from
Africa would be a would be a perfect.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Lots of folks liked him, by the way.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
It would be a perfect selection right now for this
moment in the church. But I will tell everybody, this
is anybody's game right now between Parallel one of the traditionalists.
You have no earth the idea how this is going
to turn out. That's why I think this time, this
run up is so important, and it's kind of it's
interesting that it's ironic it's going to take place.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
It's going to kick off I think on the either.
Speaker 5 (19:32):
The day off or the day before the eightieth anniversary
of victory in Europe.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
So what a prophetic moment. Isn't that interesting? There's a
lot of fascinating things lining up with all of this.
Here's Larry Kudlow talking about.
Speaker 6 (19:48):
We're a business show. But as a practicing Catholic, I
want to weigh in on this whole story I made
in America pope who believes in the godliness of work,
and that's the subject of the riff. Like so many
of us in and out of the Catholic faith, I
never thought i'd see an American pope. Robert Provost, a genuine, authentic,
(20:08):
made in America, pontiff from Chicago, from Villanova University, where
by the way, he was a math major. From the
Order of Saint Augustine. He worked in Peru, served time
in the Vatican, where, by the way, Pope Francis appointed
him to various administrative positions. So perhaps he can clean
up the Holy Sees financial problems. Now the media keeps
(20:32):
telling us about America's decline in the world, and yet
here's the Vatican electing an American pope. When he addressed
the thousands in Saint Peter's Square, he was wearing traditional
paper garb, quite unlike Pope Francis, who first appeared in
all white. He also took a traditional and popular name,
(20:55):
that of Leo the fourteenth, another reassuring action. I'm sure
there'll be an endless debate over whether he is a progressive,
a centrist, or a conservative, and I don't know near
enough to answer that question. Some quick reading on my part, however,
suggests that he is a traditionalist who adheres closely to
(21:16):
the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
He is a.
Speaker 6 (21:18):
Strong believer in traditional family values and then there's an
interesting speculation that Leo the fourteenth namesake predecessor Leo the
thirteenth of the nineteenth century was a great hero to
Catholic workers, a theological conservative of political moderate who wrote
(21:39):
about the dignity of work and the importance of communities
and nations to provide productive labor to their people. The
dignity of work is one of my favorite themes. Work
is so central to a healthy society. Hard work is
such a great lesson for young people on their way
up the ladder of opportunity and success. Work is godly.
(22:04):
And if, indeed, Cardinal Provost now Leo the fourteenth is
an apostle of work and traditional families, then I have
faith he will be a great success.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
So we'll have to wait and see. But that's interesting
Cudlow bringing that point out. Have you seen the interviews
with his brothers. There's a few. There's two brothers out there,
in fact, the pope, two from chicott One still lives
in Chicago, the other, I think is in Florida right now.
But apparently there's some really interesting conversations back and forth
(22:38):
with the pope, and at least with the brothers. There's
some of these news folks have come out with so
what are they saying? They're kind of telling some of
the stories behind the scenes. Here's one from the brother
in Florida that was interviewed about what his brother was
like and whatnot.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
My wife called and said, white smoke, white smoke. So
I turned the TV on watched the whites Man. It
took him almost an hour till they and when the
cardinal came out and we're all waiting and he goes
and he mentioned Roberto. I knew right away, and I
just it's like, if I had not been in bed
standing up, I might have collapsed, because it's like totally unexpecting,
(23:18):
you know. It's like they said the first American pope,
that was a strike against him. He's young, two strikes,
but he's got a lot of worldwide experience in his
previous poets. So when we were little kids, we used
to I used to raise Cane with my two younger
brothers all the time. But he was always the holy
one and I as we used to tease him, you're
(23:42):
going to be pope someday. You're too holy? What do
you want to be? And you know, joking, ribbing, and
when he went into the seminary, It's like, oh wow, okay.
And then a couple of years ago when the Pope
made him a cardinal, it's like, this could happen.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Holy cow, that is so cool. It's so different just
from a human perspective. Again, I'm not a Catholic, so
the Pope doesn't mean much to me as far as
you know, my faith and whatnot. But I can respect it,
and I am optimistic. I'm going to tell you that,
so optimistic and tell I see more that this will
(24:19):
be an improvement. By the way, there's so many Catholics,
so many people I would talk to that we're just
not They were just so disappointed in the last pope
for so many different reasons. So this is this is
at least I think maybe we've got an opportunity at
least in this case for improvement. All Right, I want
(24:40):
to bring you, and then I'm gonna have to break
because we're not gonna have a lot of time. We've
got to get ready for another conversation we're going to
have coming up at eleven this morning, conversation with Steve Gorum,
who's going to talk. We're going to go full in
depth on the on the Green new scam, how it's
all humbling what the Trump administration is doing behind the scenes,
(25:02):
and here in Michigan, particularly with the windmills, the solar
farms they are trying to put in, and all that boondoggle,
that money they're spending in the background, trying to make
it happen. Steve Gorum will join us and that'll be
behind the scenes for you, available at locals, as well
as this interview that we did yesterday, the full interview
with Attorney Andrew Brinka. I'm going to play a little
(25:23):
bit more for you that we didn't get to get
to on the air. But again, as you can see it,
just a taste of what we played so far, just
a little bit. Want to share more of it so
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You can see it on locals. Just become a member
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become a supporter and do that in the VIP. And again,
I'm watching this thinking the same thing I just the
whole issue is a complete you know. Look, I think
we can all say it's a tragedy, But the question
to me comes down to are we going to allow
police to be police? And further, I mean, as someone
(26:06):
who you know lives in Kent County here, and it's
not just the city, it's the whole county now that
we have to many parts of this county are not progressive,
they're not liberal, they're not trending this way in other
parts of cass We're looking at this the sheriffs that
are in jeopardy, and other police and other jurisdictions and
(26:26):
cities as well. So I think about this and I
think to myself, what do we want that outcome to be?
What do we want it to look like? And if
I have to defend myself in any way, shape or
form in the future, am I going to be charged
by this prosecutor? That's the question that I start to
think about. And I think people in this audience are
really questioning that. So I guess I ask you that
(26:47):
is is you know, do you have a right to
defend yourself in Kent County.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
Well, in any case of self defense, especially deadly force,
self defense. The law says you can use deadly force
and s defense if you're facing you reasonably perceive You
don't even have to be right. It could be an
honest mistake, a reasonable error, but you reasonably perceive that
you're facing an imminent threat of unlawful deadly force harm.
The law says you can use deadly force and self defense,
(27:14):
and you don't have to ask anyone's permission beforehand. You
don't have to get a slip of paper from a
judge saying it's okay for you to It's a very
powerful privilege of self defense. The trouble is all the
permission you don't.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
Have to.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
Have to ask for ahead of time is made up
by the inker the fact other people are now evaluating
whether they the deadly force was reasonable. This includes the police.
The Importantly, none of them were there, None of them
were physically present, none of them were eyewitnesses, and none
(27:51):
of them were you being attacked and genuinely fearing that
you were going to die if you didn't defend yourself.
That's why it's always some possibility of getting convicted, no
matter how innocent you are, nolise in the system because
ambiguity that these people weren't there. And that's even before
you get to a politically motivated persecution, which is what
(28:11):
this was.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
All right, this is probably a good time to bring
this up with people law self defense dot Com. What
you do and why you do it? So give us
a heads up on this. I've been paying attention. I'm
very interested in this myself, because you know, I'm always
looking at that look. I have gone through all the
proper steps to do the concealed carry on, all those things,
(28:36):
and I think a lot of us are in this
audience particularly, are keenly aware of these things. But when
I took those classes and I took those steps, I realized, Okay,
this is just a beginning. I just did you know,
you're just kind of barely scratching the surface when it
goes through all the things that need need to be
aware of, and and in the increasingly political environment climate
(28:58):
we have nowadays, you know, always looking to make sure
that I'm doing the right thing. And that's why I
was really interested. Phillisen, what do you do? What's the
book and what do people need to know?
Speaker 4 (29:11):
Yeah, so it's kind of a good news bad news story.
And the bad news is most of what people think
they know about their legal privilege to use force and
self defense. And a lot of people know a lot,
but unfortunately most of what they know is bad. It's
bad information. They were taught it by people who didn't
really know what they were talking about. Because most people
who you would think would have expertise in self defense
(29:32):
law just don't. And that includes lawyers. Most lawyers. In
my three years of law school, we spent maybe five
minutes talking about self defense law. First year criminal law,
that was it. And even after a lawyer passes the bar,
unless he's a criminal defense lawyer, he has no need
to know any of this stuff. And even criminal defense
lawyers mostly defend criminals. That's the nature of the practice.
(29:55):
That's just the way it is. So if you talk
to criminal defense attorney and you ask him, and you're
twenty or thirty year career and I'm in my thirty
fourth year as a as an attorney, how many good
guy cases of self defense, genuine cases of self defense
have they had, Because they've argued self defense thousands of times,
but normally it's no sense claim itself. It's a bad
(30:17):
guy who just doesn't want to go to prison.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Defense have they had.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
In twenty thirty years. They'll tell you at four to five.
I mean, it's just really hard to get good at
something you only do four or five times in twenty
or thirty years. Most police are not well trained in
self defense law. They're trained by their academies and their
departments what they need to know to protect the department
against civil liability, but not to protect themselves against criminal liability,
(30:44):
which obviously is what for example, Christas Shore is facing here.
Most firearms self defense instructors and listen, I'm a NRA
certified instructor rifle pistol personal protection. I have been for decades.
We're just not taught this stuff at a high level.
And what happened with me is in the nineteen nineties,
I was a new lawyer. I'd been admitted to practice.
(31:04):
I was starting my law practice. I was also a
lifelong member of the gun community. I started competitive shooting
as a kid, small boar rifle. When I became an adult,
I started pistol shooting, IDPA other similar practical pistol sports.
And so my community knew me. They knew I was
a shooter, and they knew I was a lawyer, and
they would ask me questions like, hey, Andrew, when am
I allowed to use my gun to defend myself in
(31:26):
this kind of situation? And I realized I didn't actually
know the answer. I mean, I knew kind of a
very general answer, but I couldn't contextualize it for specific
facts of a specific scenario. That, by the way, is
true of most self defense instructors. If you go to
a CCW class and you asked that guy teaching the
class that same question, when can I use my gun
under this kind of circumstance, invariably he's going to say,
(31:49):
I'm not a lawyer, and it depends. It depends. Well,
that's not a very useful answer. And I thought, and
I was walking around with a gun. I had a
concealed carry permit. I was carrying a gun around, and
holy cow, I don't actually know what the rules are.
So I decided I better learn the rules. And I
found there was no good resource, even for lawyers to
know what the actual law self defense was. I had
(32:11):
to do primary legal research. I had to read court decisions,
jury instructions, statutes, and I was living in Massachusetts at
the time, and I did that. But Massachusetts is a
very small state, you drive thirty minutes in any direction,
you're in New Hampshire, Vermont, Connecticut, Rhode Island. So I thought, well,
I better learn those states self defense laws too, because
I'm in them every month. And when I did that,
(32:32):
I began to see a pattern the self defense law.
Of course, each state has its own statutes and court
cases and such, but the underlying principles were very similar,
and I thought, man, if it's similar for these five states,
I wonder if it is for all fifty states. And
I did the primary legal research for all fifty states,
and it turns out that self defense law in the US,
(32:54):
any US jurisdiction is based on just five legal principles.
That's it, and sometimes not even that many, often not
that many, but the most is five, which is great
news because self defense law can often seem like kind
of a black box. You put facts in one end,
you crank a handle, you get some kind of answer
out the other, but you don't really know how the
answer was arrived at. There's not five hundred things you
(33:17):
need to know about self defense. There's not even fifty.
There's only five. And once I realized there was only five,
I realized, well, I can apply those five in any
state in the country. And that's when we transitioned our
law practice from being a traditional criminal defense practice to
be a consulting practice. So I consult to other attorneys
all over the country when they have clients who've been
involved in the use of force event like Christopher Sure
(33:40):
and are now facing legal liability.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
So what is the membership? Obviously the book, we got
people in the chat telling us today, Hey, I got
the book today, and you know, instead of jumping in
on that, but what's your membership? How does that work?
Speaker 4 (33:57):
So we have a couple levels of membership. Very basic
membership that gets your access to like our blog, post,
our legal analysis. That's for members only. Then we have
a higher level of membership, which is what you need
to have in order to have me consult on your case.
So we don't take outside consults anymore. We have what
we call a Platinum level of membership. If you're a
Platinum member. When we took outside consults, we would charge
(34:19):
a minimum of ten thousand dollars to do a consult
on the case. Now we only provide consults for our
platinum members and they get that console for free. It
doesn't cost them anything, and not just for the trial.
For the trial, if there's a retrial, where there again.
If there's an appeal, we're there again. We cover them
until every legal avenue has been exhausted and they get
(34:40):
it for free. The catch is they do need to
be a Platinum member or we just can't provide the
legal service. So we get calls every week in my
office from people who are involved in a use of
force event and then they google and they find us
and they become a Platinum member, like three days after
the event, and they'd like to get a consult. It
doesn't work that way. You have to be a Platinum
member first. But I always encourage people before they even
(35:00):
consider becoming a Platinum member, learn about us, watch our
blog post, get our free book. You know, develop a
sense of whether you feel you know we have the expertise,
which we do, but you should convince yourself of that
whether we have the expertise that would be valuable to you,
that would make the difference to you if you were
in Christopher Sure's shoes and looking at spending the rest
(35:22):
of your life in a cage. Christopher Sure is thirty
four years old. He'll probably live to ninety six decades
in a cage is what he's looking at. If he
gets convicted of this murder charge, there's no question this
judge will sentence him to the maximum. What's it worth
not to have that risk? That's what we provide through
our platinum.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
You know, I want to just talk because you're talking
about attorney. Let me pause it you because then I
have a lot of time left and I want to
tell you go back and watch more of this in
the it's up now. It'll be up to the podcast
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Right now, just Arkley dot com sash locals is where
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you can find it. And again that's attorney Andrew Brink.
It'll be out for everyone this weekend at nine am
on Saturday. I'll over the podcast wherever you download your podcast.
All right, that being said, I quickly want to talk
about this because it's good news. It's fantastic news. In fact,
(36:23):
I just realized I got two really like things that
are just going to put just an absolute smile on
your face, A big ear to ear Grin going into
the weekend, Ed Martin, the guy who was supposed to
be the Attorney General that he wanted the US Attorney.
I did not not know Attorney general, but the US
Attorney in DC. I didn't realize it, but he was
following me over on Twitter. I just saw this. I'm like,
(36:48):
oh man, how cool. So I had to follow him back.
But Charlie Kirk posted this story. And you know now
that Judge Janine is going to be placed there interim.
She's going to be there while they go through this process.
But Charlie Kirk says it best. The left got its wish.
Ed Martin won't be the US Attorney in Washington, DC. Instead,
(37:10):
he'll get a senior DOJ job heading the investigation into
Biden era weaponization of the DOJ against conservatives. Be careful
what you wish for Libs. You just might get it.
That was my exact reaction when I heard this yesterday.
And that is fantastic way to put it, folks. This
(37:32):
is the fo in the full around and find out
portion of the program. One other thing that I think
is very useful for today. You're going to love this.
In fact, Letitia James asked by somebody at a rally
or something. She was doing a question that you just
can imagine the media ever having the guts to ask,
(37:55):
But this guy asked it. It was all caught on tape.
Watch how she's confronted in the moment speaking of the
full around and find out Porsche.
Speaker 7 (38:03):
The question is for Tush James, will you apologize to
President Trump for wasting millions of dollars and the.
Speaker 4 (38:09):
State of New York? Which trial and how.
Speaker 7 (38:13):
Does it feel to know that you are you will
be imprisoned from mortgage for.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
Oh god, God, thank you for coming. Of course they're
going to ask for what about Oh wow, we want
to thank him for coming.
Speaker 7 (38:37):
We respect all opinions.
Speaker 8 (38:39):
Everybody knows those allegations are baseless.
Speaker 7 (38:42):
They're discredited, and so we want to thank him.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
We'll see a discredited behind bars. Welcome luck for you
this we are entered to find out the find out
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Golden are. I think it's a find out era. We
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