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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yeah, that's right, justin thanks very much for having me on. Well,
you know, something important about the Supreme Court is, although
we're nominated at the party conventions, it's a non partis
in race, and so, you know, not exactly running as
a Republican but having been nominated by the Republican delegates
on Saturday, for which I'm of course grateful. The message
that you know, I want everybody to understand about the
Supreme Court is that it's often the last place that
(00:23):
a citizen can turn to have their their rights protected.
The whole government should be protecting the rights of the citizens,
but it's often the courts that are your last opportunity
for that, and that means you need a justice who
is dedicated to public safety. And having grown up as
the son of a police officer and the grandson of
a judge, I understand the role that courts play in
keeping our streets safe. And you need somebody who's committed
(00:45):
to due process and protecting the rights of every citizen equally,
not just who's popular at the time. And that's what
I think people need to hear about this race, is
that this is an opportunity to elect somebody who understands
both of those roles that the court has to play.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Well, you may not be able to say it, and
I understand it officially. You know that this is supposed
to be a nonpartisan race and whatnot. But we have
seen a lot of partisan politics unfortunately invading courts in
recent years, and that's a that's an issue.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
I think a lot of people are are.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Interested in you you're going to take this into consideration
when you're looking at individuals who really are going to
take into effect what the law really says, what it means,
and of course the Constitution when you when you're looking
at things in the Michigan State as well, when you're
looking at all these things, that's very important when you
when you talk about conservative versus progressive conservative, I guess
(01:45):
in my mind just means, hey, look, we're going to
do we're going to play by the rules, We're going
to do what the law says, and we're not going
to legislate from the bench.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Do I have that right.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Just? And I think that is a major distinction between
the way maybe the current majority on the Supreme Court,
which I think is fair to say is a left
wing majority, and I do think that it is it's
rarely the case that they look at the law and
look at what they want the law to say and
find much of a difference. And I think that that's wrong.
I think that a justice judge needs to be committed
(02:19):
to following what the law as it was written by
the people or their representatives, and if it needs to
be changed, then it's the people of the representatives who
need to change it. But the court's job is to
say what the law is. And that's why our founding
fathers describe the courts as the least dangerous branch because
if they're doing their job, they're resolving cases and controversies,
(02:40):
but they're not inserting their own will into how these
things come out. And that's absolutely something that needs to
be called out. When the citizens cee courts getting politicized
or trying to move the ball in one direction rather
than another, that's something that should be corrected by the
people immediately.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
So let's talk about some of those things. You know,
one of the issues that we are following. In fact
today it's.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Made the news yet again.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
There are threats from the Michigan Secretary of State Joscelyn Benson,
who is out there threatening to go after any local
election officials who choose, she says, to withhold certification of
election results. In the event of fraud, she says, we
will come for you.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
If someone were to violate the law and not certify
the election at the local level, we will come for you.
So any local certifier thinking of skirting the law and
not certifying the vote, don't even think about it, because
we we'll.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Get You know, it's interesting to me because this is
a situation in this individual herself has had over and
over and over again, I guess instance, where she has
been confronted by judges who have ruled that she's been
on the wrong side of the law on many different issues.
(04:00):
And uh, I just I bring in the question this
piece of information because you know, I believe the court
is going to play a bigger role in the future
when we've got rogue individuals who again are just throw
the law completely out the window or just want to
write it as they see it, whatever it might be.
I just think it plays a major role in in uh,
(04:21):
in in what we're going to be saying and moving forward,
particularly in the Michigan Supreme Court and uh and others.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Yeah, and I think my basic reaction to this as
a judicial candidate is that whatever the law is, in
whatever area of law it is, it is still the
same job for the courts and so and and the
legal system in general. And so what I what I
don't want to see happen are are the courts being
(04:50):
used to make parties in political points. And I don't
want to see happen that only some areas of law
are considered you know, important, or only certain violators of
the law, or or I guess I should say, since
we're we're talking about potentially innocent people, potential violators of
the law are treated differently from others. And you know,
(05:12):
beyond that, I gotta I gotta say, I am bound
by the judicial canids not to speculate on how I
rule on a given case justin but I guess it's
certainly within my role to say that everybody who comes
to the court needs to be treated, you know, given
their full penalty of constitutional rights and having those respected,
(05:33):
and that goes for the entire legal system. The prosecutors
need to keep that in mind, the police need to
keep that in mind. And obviously the judges are the
ones who are ultimately responsible for ensuring that citizens are
not you know, facing the state in some kind of
unfair manner.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Andrew Fink is with us right now. He's running for
Michigan Supreme Court.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Uh, and U.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
I would call him a conservative candidate, and I think
I'd be okay to call you that. But you know,
the the interesting part of this is again we're now
in this weird, upside down world where folks are choosing
just to completely disregard the law all together. And again
that's a very dangerous place to be. At the same
(06:13):
time that Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson is out there
saying we're going to come for you on some of
these election local election officials making those threats. She's also
out there saying that they're not going to let RFK
Junior drop off the ballot, which is you know a
lot of these ballot issues Cornell West, they weren't going
to let him on the ballot here, so to help
(06:35):
Democrats inherits in some ways it appears they were going
to let weren't going to let him on the ballot,
but now they're not going to allow RFK Junior to
drop off the ballot. So again to your point, and
I think the point that most of us here in Michigan,
regardless of partisan politics, want to see as we want
(06:56):
to see an equal application of the law. We want
to see the law applied, and we want to see
the law be if we don't want to see people
getting their their party politics or or their their own
personal preferences injected in these issues. We want to see
(07:17):
fair and square once and for all.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Yeah, absolutely, justin And I think you know the the
the courts are expected to not only you know, behave ethically,
but also avoid even the appearance of impropriety. I guess
as the standard, I would suggest that every public official,
I mean, I'm currently serving as a state representative, and
I'd also like to avoid even the appearance of impropriety there.
(07:42):
And that's that's something I think that every citizen should
expect of their public officials. And the appearance that decisions
on questions like valid access are being politicized is in
and of itself enough of a of a red flag,
if you will, to make a citizen wonder what's really
(08:04):
going on. And as soon as the citizens starts to
wonder that, then they're wondering whether their government is representing
them or whether their government is instead just ruling over them.
And this is supposed this is this is a republic.
This should be a place where the citizens believe that
through the election process they have their voice and then
the government represents them, you know, as constituted by the
(08:27):
voters until the next election. Anything that gets in the
way of that really strikes at the fundamental, you know,
the footing of our entire system of government. So I
think you're spot on that that the citizens need to
be able to look at their government and say this
is working in a way. I might not agree with
every decision, but it's not because they're I'm being suppressed
(08:50):
or anything like that. And so regard you know, again,
regardless of what area of government or law we're talking about.
That's a commitment I think all of us need to
make when we're serving in public office.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Joined with Andrew Fink, who is running for Michigan Supreme
Court in a race that I'm sure will continue to
heat up. And of course as things developed, I love
to have you back on people to follow you or
maybe find out more about who you are and what
you're all about. What's the best way for them to
do that online?
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Yeah, the website is think for Michigan dot com and
the social media handles are all think formi dot com,
so please take a look there. We'd love to have
the engagement and of course love to have every ray support.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
You got it a pleasure, Andrew.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Great to see you the other day, and of course
we will look forward to having these conversations as we
continue
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Think As always justin see you later.
Yeah, that's right, justin thanks very much for having me on. Well,
you know, something important about the Supreme Court is, although
we're nominated at the party conventions, it's a non partis
in race, and so, you know, not exactly running as
a Republican but having been nominated by the Republican delegates
on Saturday, for which I'm of course grateful. The message
that you know, I want everybody to understand about the
Supreme Court is that it's often the last place that
(00:23):
a citizen can turn to have their their rights protected.
The whole government should be protecting the rights of the citizens,
but it's often the courts that are your last opportunity
for that, and that means you need a justice who
is dedicated to public safety. And having grown up as
the son of a police officer and the grandson of
a judge, I understand the role that courts play in
keeping our streets safe. And you need somebody who's committed
(00:45):
to due process and protecting the rights of every citizen equally,
not just who's popular at the time. And that's what
I think people need to hear about this race, is
that this is an opportunity to elect somebody who understands
both of those roles that the court has to play.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Well, you may not be able to say it, and
I understand it officially. You know that this is supposed
to be a nonpartisan race and whatnot. But we have
seen a lot of partisan politics unfortunately invading courts in
recent years, and that's a that's an issue.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
I think a lot of people are are.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Interested in you you're going to take this into consideration
when you're looking at individuals who really are going to
take into effect what the law really says, what it means,
and of course the Constitution when you when you're looking
at things in the Michigan State as well, when you're
looking at all these things, that's very important when you
when you talk about conservative versus progressive conservative, I guess
(01:45):
in my mind just means, hey, look, we're going to
do we're going to play by the rules, We're going
to do what the law says, and we're not going
to legislate from the bench.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Do I have that right.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Just? And I think that is a major distinction between
the way maybe the current majority on the Supreme Court,
which I think is fair to say is a left
wing majority, and I do think that it is it's
rarely the case that they look at the law and
look at what they want the law to say and
find much of a difference. And I think that that's wrong.
I think that a justice judge needs to be committed
(02:19):
to following what the law as it was written by
the people or their representatives, and if it needs to
be changed, then it's the people of the representatives who
need to change it. But the court's job is to
say what the law is. And that's why our founding
fathers describe the courts as the least dangerous branch because
if they're doing their job, they're resolving cases and controversies,
(02:40):
but they're not inserting their own will into how these
things come out. And that's absolutely something that needs to
be called out. When the citizens cee courts getting politicized
or trying to move the ball in one direction rather
than another, that's something that should be corrected by the
people immediately.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
So let's talk about some of those things. You know,
one of the issues that we are following. In fact
today it's.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Made the news yet again.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
There are threats from the Michigan Secretary of State Joscelyn Benson,
who is out there threatening to go after any local
election officials who choose, she says, to withhold certification of
election results. In the event of fraud, she says, we
will come for you.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
If someone were to violate the law and not certify
the election at the local level, we will come for you.
So any local certifier thinking of skirting the law and
not certifying the vote, don't even think about it, because
we we'll.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Get You know, it's interesting to me because this is
a situation in this individual herself has had over and
over and over again, I guess instance, where she has
been confronted by judges who have ruled that she's been
on the wrong side of the law on many different issues.
(04:00):
And uh, I just I bring in the question this
piece of information because you know, I believe the court
is going to play a bigger role in the future
when we've got rogue individuals who again are just throw
the law completely out the window or just want to
write it as they see it, whatever it might be.
I just think it plays a major role in in uh,
(04:21):
in in what we're going to be saying and moving forward,
particularly in the Michigan Supreme Court and uh and others.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Yeah, and I think my basic reaction to this as
a judicial candidate is that whatever the law is, in
whatever area of law it is, it is still the
same job for the courts and so and and the
legal system in general. And so what I what I
don't want to see happen are are the courts being
(04:50):
used to make parties in political points. And I don't
want to see happen that only some areas of law
are considered you know, important, or only certain violators of
the law, or or I guess I should say, since
we're we're talking about potentially innocent people, potential violators of
the law are treated differently from others. And you know,
(05:12):
beyond that, I gotta I gotta say, I am bound
by the judicial canids not to speculate on how I
rule on a given case justin but I guess it's
certainly within my role to say that everybody who comes
to the court needs to be treated, you know, given
their full penalty of constitutional rights and having those respected,
(05:33):
and that goes for the entire legal system. The prosecutors
need to keep that in mind, the police need to
keep that in mind. And obviously the judges are the
ones who are ultimately responsible for ensuring that citizens are
not you know, facing the state in some kind of
unfair manner.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Andrew Fink is with us right now. He's running for
Michigan Supreme Court.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Uh, and U.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
I would call him a conservative candidate, and I think
I'd be okay to call you that. But you know,
the the interesting part of this is again we're now
in this weird, upside down world where folks are choosing
just to completely disregard the law all together. And again
that's a very dangerous place to be. At the same
(06:13):
time that Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson is out there
saying we're going to come for you on some of
these election local election officials making those threats. She's also
out there saying that they're not going to let RFK
Junior drop off the ballot, which is you know a
lot of these ballot issues Cornell West, they weren't going
to let him on the ballot here, so to help
(06:35):
Democrats inherits in some ways it appears they were going
to let weren't going to let him on the ballot,
but now they're not going to allow RFK Junior to
drop off the ballot. So again to your point, and
I think the point that most of us here in Michigan,
regardless of partisan politics, want to see as we want
(06:56):
to see an equal application of the law. We want
to see the law applied, and we want to see
the law be if we don't want to see people
getting their their party politics or or their their own
personal preferences injected in these issues. We want to see
(07:17):
fair and square once and for all.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Yeah, absolutely, justin And I think you know the the
the courts are expected to not only you know, behave ethically,
but also avoid even the appearance of impropriety. I guess
as the standard, I would suggest that every public official,
I mean, I'm currently serving as a state representative, and
I'd also like to avoid even the appearance of impropriety there.
(07:42):
And that's that's something I think that every citizen should
expect of their public officials. And the appearance that decisions
on questions like valid access are being politicized is in
and of itself enough of a of a red flag,
if you will, to make a citizen wonder what's really
(08:04):
going on. And as soon as the citizens starts to
wonder that, then they're wondering whether their government is representing
them or whether their government is instead just ruling over them.
And this is supposed this is this is a republic.
This should be a place where the citizens believe that
through the election process they have their voice and then
the government represents them, you know, as constituted by the
(08:27):
voters until the next election. Anything that gets in the
way of that really strikes at the fundamental, you know,
the footing of our entire system of government. So I
think you're spot on that that the citizens need to
be able to look at their government and say this
is working in a way. I might not agree with
every decision, but it's not because they're I'm being suppressed
(08:50):
or anything like that. And so regard you know, again,
regardless of what area of government or law we're talking about.
That's a commitment I think all of us need to
make when we're serving in public office.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Joined with Andrew Fink, who is running for Michigan Supreme
Court in a race that I'm sure will continue to
heat up. And of course as things developed, I love
to have you back on people to follow you or
maybe find out more about who you are and what
you're all about. What's the best way for them to
do that online?
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Yeah, the website is think for Michigan dot com and
the social media handles are all think formi dot com,
so please take a look there. We'd love to have
the engagement and of course love to have every ray support.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
You got it a pleasure, Andrew.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Great to see you the other day, and of course
we will look forward to having these conversations as we
continue
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Think As always justin see you later.
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