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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Running first Senate here in Michigan. Mike Rodger's joining us
now with the latest. Good morning, appreciate you been. What
a big weekend and looks like an even bigger day today.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
It certainly is, and thanks for thanks for having me on,
and it's going to be very fascinating to see what
comes out of this today. And listen. I think if
they all come and show up at the Oval Office,
say gosh, if the United States would just do more,
I think it's going to be a non starter for
the President. I hope they come in with a better
plan to get this thing solved and get peace to
(00:31):
break out between Russia and Ukraine.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
The President has said that he needs Zelenski needs to do.
He can end the war right now, but he needs
to do two things. He says, he needs to drop
that bid for NATO and accept Russia's twenty fourteen annexation
of Crimea. I don't know whether either one of those
is going to happen. But what are your thoughts obviously
on that piece of it, and of course the historic
(00:57):
moment from Friday in Alaska.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Yeah, I would say that the NATO piece. I was
never for them getting into NATO because they were in
a hurry they'd be in the NATO countries were in
a hurry to push them into NATO so that they
thought they could push Russia out. I just think that
might drag in a broader conflict that we just didn't need.
And by the way, they've got a lot of governance
(01:23):
issues they have got to get right. They have really
high levels of corruption, they have other issues in the
country that they, in my mind, would have to get
right before they could even get into NATO. So I
don't think you want to make all that exception to
put him in number one. So I think that should
be an easy give up for him. If he can
(01:44):
get some of these as they're talking some security kind
of guarantees going into that, that would be a good bet. Crimea.
You know, my thing with Crimea is why don't they
just say this is no man's land for twenty years,
will negotiate over the next twenty years. It's not yours.
We still play claims to it, but you can stay
there until we work it out. My argument is Putin's
(02:05):
not going to be there forever. That would give Ukraine
an opportunity to build their economy, reintegrate into the West
and that would put them in a much better position
at some point to negotiate their way back into Crimea.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Two very interesting pieces there, and you made some good points,
Mike graduates with us running for Senate here a Michigan
former congressman, and the extensive experience there on these issues.
You know, the corruption piece in Ukraine is really incredible,
and you know, part of that is, you know, reminds
me anyway of former President Hunter Biden's laptop and the
(02:43):
Barisma deal and this guy sitting on a board for this,
that and the other thing, and that. Really it's kind
of like that sort of thing has just sort of
fallen through the cracks and we've stopped talking about that.
But I think that's a large part of why we
have had this issue there in Ukraine.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Oh, I agree, And remember this was heavily dominated by
Soviet intelligence services. You couldn't swing a ring of Italian
sausages at one point and not hit a Russian intelligence
agent floating around Ukraine, and it was bad. A quick
story or if I may, the US was trying to
(03:26):
share information early on about what the Ukrainian or the
Russians were going to do in Crimea and the information
just kept getting passed right directly back to the Russians,
and so they tried to create a special kind of
a unit where they could share really sensitive US intelligence
with the Ukrainians to do something, and they did, and
you know, six or eight months later that thing got
(03:48):
compromised by this, and it's because of I think, under
such a long dominance of that Russian corruption style governance,
it was just hard to shake. And so I know
people want to believe something different about the governance of Ukraine.
It's got a long ways to go. It can get there,
and I believe it, but it's going to take work
(04:09):
and effort, and you just don't want to give away
a NATO membership, you know, to push back on Putin.
I think there's other ways to do it.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Mike Crich just right now running for Senate here in Michigan,
former congressmen, and of course you know there are other
things going on, but I tie it in. It's interesting.
My whole monologue to open the show here, I talked
about why I've seen the left melting down over Trump
meeting with Putin in Alaska on Friday. It's the same
reason I think they're melting down over Washington, d C.
(04:38):
And the crime crackdown right now, the peace and the
Order exposes them, you know, the idea that you know,
they can't do anything about these these things, and of
course they're not to blame for any of these issues
at all. I think is the biggest deal. I've never
seen so many people so upset that we're working towards
getting not just peace and Ukraine, but also as the
(05:01):
president tries to crack down on crime and as you
one of the former law enforcement background, what they've done
there and what people we're already hearing from people on
the ground they're saying is pretty incredible.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
You know, I've never really seen anything like this in politics,
certainly in my lifetime, where people so hate the president
that they would rather him fail than America win. And
it's the same with the They're all hot and bothered
about a red carpet that was rolled out on the
ground for the president of Russia to walk. Listen, everybody
(05:38):
knows who he is. That was never in doubt. But
the president is trying to work a deal to stop
a thousand a thousand people dying every single day. And oh,
by the way, Europe and everyone else keeps asking us
to pay for and so his motivation was, well, we
could go through the diplomatic manual, which would take three
to six months to set this meeting up and everyone
(06:00):
everything would have to agree on, including the width of
the red carpet, or I can get on an airplane
and go there and see. If I can't work this out.
Why the world didn't say good luck, mister president, how
do we help you? Is beyond me. And same with
the you know, the criminal enforcement in DC. I have
to tell you I have someone working on a campaign
that lived in DC for the year twenty twenty three.
(06:23):
I was doing some work there. This particular person his
roommate was shot and stabbed and he personally witnessed two
carjackings within a year. Now you tell me, I don't
know how anyone walks away from that and says, oh,
there's no problem here. There's no prime problem here. I mean,
there's clearly if that happens, if you're I mean, it
(06:46):
wasn't like he was in the worst of worst neighborhoods.
It's you know, encroaching in around the Capitol Hill area.
And so when the president says, hey, he just needs
regular order here, and by the way, we had a
personal well even had a personal friend who got mugged.
I would say of one of the Senate buildings. By
nice point, I mean you start going through this and
remember the FBI agent that got hijacked right from the
(07:07):
FBI building down time come on, and so I think
people are you know, hyperventilating, But okay, they took one
hundred really bad criminals off the street. I think it's
up to three hundred. Now, why would we have be
opposed to that? And let's get it back to order.
And rather than saying how do we work with you
to get this done? Or could you do this versus this,
(07:27):
none of those conversations are happening. And it's all this
is the end of the world. The world's coming to
an end. You can't do this. Well, I'll tell you
there's a lot of people who feel safer at night
are thinking under their breath anyway in Washington, they see
this thing with this is great.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Mike Rogers with us right now running for Senate here
in Michigan. I know there's a lot more to talk about.
We're going to have time to have you back on
as things continue to roll out here over the course
of the campaign. But I got a question. I thought,
you know, we never really do things like this, but
somebody in the VIP in the Freedom bam over on
(08:03):
locals here Terry asked. I thought that was a good question, Mike,
what is your best accomplish the accomplishment you're most proud
of in.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Your career, in my career, in that spands what career
you span. A lot of people don't realize. In the
last ten years I've been in the private sector and
I've got I mean, I think there's a lot of
pretty important accomplishments in there. Even in when I was
(08:32):
chairman of that the Intelligence Committee, I was able to
cut ten percent out of that budget. Somebody joked with me,
you were the original dose. They should have called it
Roge because this was back in right around twenty eleven
and we were in conflict with both Irock and Afghanistan.
Got that thing cleaned up, established some really important policy.
(08:54):
Much of it is still very sensitive, but has been
used by every president, including Donald Trump since it was
put into place to fight terrorism and other things. All
of that to me pretty important stuff. And you know,
in the last ten years, helping some cybersecurity companies go
from smaller to bigger to try to make sure that
(09:15):
we could push back on the onslaught of cyber criminals
and Nation States trying to get and steal your data.
And so you know, my son went to the Naval Academy.
Were pretty proud of that. My daughter didn't want to
be outdone. She went to the AmeriCorps, very proud of that.
By the way, the army no offense to my daughter.
And I was in the army. My army was not
(09:37):
the best place for her. I mean, this was a
good decision not to try to go on the end,
and so I listened. I could go through a whole
bunch of those things, but I look back on it
as of life of service, always committed trying to get
the right answer, to do the right thing for Michigan
in the country when I was in politics, and in
the last ten years try to build companies. And I'm
(09:58):
one of those very rare people just and that I've
punched a time clock work on a factory floor. I
signed the back of the check and was always grateful
to the companies that employed me to do that, and
in the last ten years had the ability to sign
in front of the check a few times. I think
that puts me in a very unique position to tackle
the real issues of today.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Now you have it, Mike Rogers running for Senate here
in Michigan, Rogers for Senate dot com. And we'll have
you back on in the future. But thanks for jumping
on today with the latest. Done this and I know
lots of folks are praying for peace that will get
a deal done, and boy, I think the world would
love to see it, regardless of what the folks on
(10:39):
the left I have to say about it. Thank you,
I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Thanks
Running first Senate here in Michigan. Mike Rodger's joining us
now with the latest. Good morning, appreciate you been. What
a big weekend and looks like an even bigger day today.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
It certainly is, and thanks for thanks for having me on,
and it's going to be very fascinating to see what
comes out of this today. And listen. I think if
they all come and show up at the Oval Office,
say gosh, if the United States would just do more,
I think it's going to be a non starter for
the President. I hope they come in with a better
plan to get this thing solved and get peace to
(00:31):
break out between Russia and Ukraine.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
The President has said that he needs Zelenski needs to do.
He can end the war right now, but he needs
to do two things. He says, he needs to drop
that bid for NATO and accept Russia's twenty fourteen annexation
of Crimea. I don't know whether either one of those
is going to happen. But what are your thoughts obviously
on that piece of it, and of course the historic
(00:57):
moment from Friday in Alaska.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Yeah, I would say that the NATO piece. I was
never for them getting into NATO because they were in
a hurry they'd be in the NATO countries were in
a hurry to push them into NATO so that they
thought they could push Russia out. I just think that
might drag in a broader conflict that we just didn't need.
And by the way, they've got a lot of governance
(01:23):
issues they have got to get right. They have really
high levels of corruption, they have other issues in the
country that they, in my mind, would have to get
right before they could even get into NATO. So I
don't think you want to make all that exception to
put him in number one. So I think that should
be an easy give up for him. If he can
(01:44):
get some of these as they're talking some security kind
of guarantees going into that, that would be a good bet. Crimea.
You know, my thing with Crimea is why don't they
just say this is no man's land for twenty years,
will negotiate over the next twenty years. It's not yours.
We still play claims to it, but you can stay
there until we work it out. My argument is Putin's
(02:05):
not going to be there forever. That would give Ukraine
an opportunity to build their economy, reintegrate into the West
and that would put them in a much better position
at some point to negotiate their way back into Crimea.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Two very interesting pieces there, and you made some good points,
Mike graduates with us running for Senate here a Michigan
former congressman, and the extensive experience there on these issues.
You know, the corruption piece in Ukraine is really incredible,
and you know, part of that is, you know, reminds
me anyway of former President Hunter Biden's laptop and the
(02:43):
Barisma deal and this guy sitting on a board for this,
that and the other thing, and that. Really it's kind
of like that sort of thing has just sort of
fallen through the cracks and we've stopped talking about that.
But I think that's a large part of why we
have had this issue there in Ukraine.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Oh, I agree, And remember this was heavily dominated by
Soviet intelligence services. You couldn't swing a ring of Italian
sausages at one point and not hit a Russian intelligence
agent floating around Ukraine, and it was bad. A quick
story or if I may, the US was trying to
(03:26):
share information early on about what the Ukrainian or the
Russians were going to do in Crimea and the information
just kept getting passed right directly back to the Russians,
and so they tried to create a special kind of
a unit where they could share really sensitive US intelligence
with the Ukrainians to do something, and they did, and
you know, six or eight months later that thing got
(03:48):
compromised by this, and it's because of I think, under
such a long dominance of that Russian corruption style governance,
it was just hard to shake. And so I know
people want to believe something different about the governance of Ukraine.
It's got a long ways to go. It can get there,
and I believe it, but it's going to take work
(04:09):
and effort, and you just don't want to give away
a NATO membership, you know, to push back on Putin.
I think there's other ways to do it.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Mike Crich just right now running for Senate here in Michigan,
former congressmen, and of course you know there are other
things going on, but I tie it in. It's interesting.
My whole monologue to open the show here, I talked
about why I've seen the left melting down over Trump
meeting with Putin in Alaska on Friday. It's the same
reason I think they're melting down over Washington, d C.
(04:38):
And the crime crackdown right now, the peace and the
Order exposes them, you know, the idea that you know,
they can't do anything about these these things, and of
course they're not to blame for any of these issues
at all. I think is the biggest deal. I've never
seen so many people so upset that we're working towards
getting not just peace and Ukraine, but also as the
(05:01):
president tries to crack down on crime and as you
one of the former law enforcement background, what they've done
there and what people we're already hearing from people on
the ground they're saying is pretty incredible.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
You know, I've never really seen anything like this in politics,
certainly in my lifetime, where people so hate the president
that they would rather him fail than America win. And
it's the same with the They're all hot and bothered
about a red carpet that was rolled out on the
ground for the president of Russia to walk. Listen, everybody
(05:38):
knows who he is. That was never in doubt. But
the president is trying to work a deal to stop
a thousand a thousand people dying every single day. And oh,
by the way, Europe and everyone else keeps asking us
to pay for and so his motivation was, well, we
could go through the diplomatic manual, which would take three
to six months to set this meeting up and everyone
(06:00):
everything would have to agree on, including the width of
the red carpet, or I can get on an airplane
and go there and see. If I can't work this out.
Why the world didn't say good luck, mister president, how
do we help you? Is beyond me. And same with
the you know, the criminal enforcement in DC. I have
to tell you I have someone working on a campaign
that lived in DC for the year twenty twenty three.
(06:23):
I was doing some work there. This particular person his
roommate was shot and stabbed and he personally witnessed two
carjackings within a year. Now you tell me, I don't
know how anyone walks away from that and says, oh,
there's no problem here. There's no prime problem here. I mean,
there's clearly if that happens, if you're I mean, it
(06:46):
wasn't like he was in the worst of worst neighborhoods.
It's you know, encroaching in around the Capitol Hill area.
And so when the president says, hey, he just needs
regular order here, and by the way, we had a
personal well even had a personal friend who got mugged.
I would say of one of the Senate buildings. By
nice point, I mean you start going through this and
remember the FBI agent that got hijacked right from the
(07:07):
FBI building down time come on, and so I think
people are you know, hyperventilating, But okay, they took one
hundred really bad criminals off the street. I think it's
up to three hundred. Now, why would we have be
opposed to that? And let's get it back to order.
And rather than saying how do we work with you
to get this done? Or could you do this versus this,
(07:27):
none of those conversations are happening. And it's all this
is the end of the world. The world's coming to
an end. You can't do this. Well, I'll tell you
there's a lot of people who feel safer at night
are thinking under their breath anyway in Washington, they see
this thing with this is great.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Mike Rogers with us right now running for Senate here
in Michigan. I know there's a lot more to talk about.
We're going to have time to have you back on
as things continue to roll out here over the course
of the campaign. But I got a question. I thought,
you know, we never really do things like this, but
somebody in the VIP in the Freedom bam over on
(08:03):
locals here Terry asked. I thought that was a good question, Mike,
what is your best accomplish the accomplishment you're most proud
of in.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Your career, in my career, in that spands what career
you span. A lot of people don't realize. In the
last ten years I've been in the private sector and
I've got I mean, I think there's a lot of
pretty important accomplishments in there. Even in when I was
(08:32):
chairman of that the Intelligence Committee, I was able to
cut ten percent out of that budget. Somebody joked with me,
you were the original dose. They should have called it
Roge because this was back in right around twenty eleven
and we were in conflict with both Irock and Afghanistan.
Got that thing cleaned up, established some really important policy.
(08:54):
Much of it is still very sensitive, but has been
used by every president, including Donald Trump since it was
put into place to fight terrorism and other things. All
of that to me pretty important stuff. And you know,
in the last ten years, helping some cybersecurity companies go
from smaller to bigger to try to make sure that
(09:15):
we could push back on the onslaught of cyber criminals
and Nation States trying to get and steal your data.
And so you know, my son went to the Naval Academy.
Were pretty proud of that. My daughter didn't want to
be outdone. She went to the AmeriCorps, very proud of that.
By the way, the army no offense to my daughter.
And I was in the army. My army was not
(09:37):
the best place for her. I mean, this was a
good decision not to try to go on the end,
and so I listened. I could go through a whole
bunch of those things, but I look back on it
as of life of service, always committed trying to get
the right answer, to do the right thing for Michigan
in the country when I was in politics, and in
the last ten years try to build companies. And I'm
(09:58):
one of those very rare people just and that I've
punched a time clock work on a factory floor. I
signed the back of the check and was always grateful
to the companies that employed me to do that, and
in the last ten years had the ability to sign
in front of the check a few times. I think
that puts me in a very unique position to tackle
the real issues of today.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Now you have it, Mike Rogers running for Senate here
in Michigan, Rogers for Senate dot com. And we'll have
you back on in the future. But thanks for jumping
on today with the latest. Done this and I know
lots of folks are praying for peace that will get
a deal done, and boy, I think the world would
love to see it, regardless of what the folks on
(10:39):
the left I have to say about it. Thank you,
I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Thanks
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