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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This this morning. A couple of big stories and they
want to make sure that we hit and uh, one
of the biggest is probably this story about China. China
finally caught and uh, well we've known about this one
for a while, but we got a story on sixty
minutes over the weekend what they've been doing and trying
(00:22):
to hack folks all across the country, utility companies and
even in your on hamisity there So I'm not that important?
Why would China try to do that? Well, part of
it's chaos. Will dig into that full conversation and the
scope of it to really give you a, you know,
a better picture of why some of this is actually
(00:43):
happening behind the scenes. But speaking of disruption, your job
could be gone in the blink of an eye because
of AI.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
That and more coming up tack into the latest in
tech and how it affects you and your world. This
Tech Talk Tuesday on Wood Radios West Michigan Live.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Our good friend Trick Keevy is here a Ford a
live store like Michigan Drive in Stanielle Grand River Tech
where they need to help you with your individual devices
or your school, your church, your organization, your company, with
they can help you in big ways as well, something
that you're no stranger to. This China story. I want
to get into that coming up here in just a moment.
(01:24):
But first, if we may, let's start here, Trent Ai.
Last week bombshell was dropped here in West Michigan. Four
hundred jobs that the insurance giant Acrochure are going away,
they say in the next year, two hundred of those
right here in West Michigan. And it's wild to watch.
They just built this big building down here downtown. I'm
(01:46):
thinking to myself, what's coming next. By the way, they
may be the first, they won't be the last. Why
is this happening? And what is on the horizons, the
horizon for folks who may be concerned about, you know,
their work. Welcome in, good morning, Trent, come.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
On and justin.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
Yeah, this is something that is going to be taking
headlines for years to come, justin, especially when it comes
to these type of jobs. So this is an accounting job,
an accounting role, and there's very diverse accounting task, but
much of accounting is taking transactions, categorizing them, checking them,
double checking them, reconciling them, recording them, and that specific
(02:29):
type of work AI does a really good job of
and it still needs a little guidance, a little help
from people to make sure it does it correctly.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
But it can get rid of ninety ninety five.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
Percent of the workforce and those very specific types of
jobs of account reconciliation, transaction matching, and some of those
things even like reporting and analysis a little bit more
advanced jobs. AI does massive amount. So we're going to
see more and more of those layoffs. And justin it
is painful. I mean, people who have made a career
of this, people who have had a good paying job,
(03:02):
enjoy their job, do a good job. They're being cut,
they're being axed, and it's because of AI. And the
flip side of this, just and is we've been through
this a lot of times in the past, when we
went from a blacksmiths to C and C operators, when
we went from you know, I don't know, horse and
(03:23):
buggy to cars. I mean the jobs were it was
painful during that time. It was a transition time, but
those people moved up in society, they moved up to
a higher skill job. This is a little bit new
territory because with AI, where is it moving up if
AI is taking some of those more upward jobs, what
is this going to look like? So this is unprecedented,
(03:44):
This is kind of not the same past technology differences,
and it's going to be tough short term. But people
need to innovate and increase their job, increase their skill,
try to move up the ladder, as opposed to saying, hey,
my job is gone, I'm out of the workforce done.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
That's a bad response to this.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
This is this is something we're not going to solve today,
but it's a story that you need to hear. We
need to talk about it, shine a light on it
so that you be thinking about it. I don't ever
want people to be running around in fear. That's not
I'm not trying to invoke spirit of fear. But what
I would like for you to do is think about it,
consider it, and pray about it, because I believe that
you're going to get some answers and that AI is
(04:25):
is like any other tool. I think it's going to
have some really great things, but I think there's going
to be some really bad things that are going to
come out of it as well. It's just like any
other tool. It's going to be used in the hands
of the individual that it's that it's in. Well, folks
are coming for you in your own home and maybe
even your water utility system as well. China caught hacking
(04:47):
sixty minutes with a big expose on its story that
trans no stranger.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
To Is Littleton a major supplier of some kind of
the federal government with a major supplier to a military Nope.
Nick Lawler is general manager of the Littleton, Massachusetts Electric
and Water Utility. His town has ten thousand residents. Can
(05:12):
you think of any reason that China would target your
little community?
Speaker 1 (05:18):
That's the exact question I had for the FBI when
they visit me on that first day.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
And I still can't answer that question.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
No, I can't think of one reason.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
The FBI visited in November twenty twenty three to tell
Lawler that China had access to his utilities computer network.
He says the FEDS told him he was one of
two hundred. How much of all of this is controlled
remotely by computer?
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Olive it.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
In his water treatment plant, Lawler showed us tanks of
dangerous chemicals that are precisely controlled to deliver clean water.
If you had control of these tanks, you've got control
of Littleton, Massachusetts. You can poison the water.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
You can poison the water.
Speaker 5 (06:09):
But China was caught before it had operational control. With
Lawler's permission, the FEDS watched what China was doing and
what they learned was part of an awakening for American security.
If you are willing to go after a small water
provider in Littleton, Massachusetts, what other target is off the list?
Speaker 1 (06:31):
So from the point, by the way, if you think
about this and Trent I know you have, what they
say that they've been able to do is pretty incredible.
You could poison that little town, that could do that
cause chaos. In fact, you only have to do it
a couple of different places in order to cause a stir,
to make people very, very concerned about their water supply
(06:55):
and not trusting it.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Yeah, justin this is a very scary story. We've we've
had cases of this that we've reported. We've discussed this
in the past.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
A couple of years ago, actually another small town's water
supply system. This six sixty minute story revealed that there
was over two hundred and some similar places that were
under attack or supervision or remote access by China specifically,
and that's known cases, how many others are not known
(07:25):
and Justin it's yeah, I mean really, it's hard to
not go down a dark track because the point is
this small town.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
It provides water for these people.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Right, There's no intrinsic, special, top secret technology that China
is trying to siphon off for a new jet fighter
some other thing that we'd say, hey, we don't like this,
but we understand what their goal is. The only conclusion
you can come to is that they're trying to have
immense power remotely to cause mass harm to average people.
(07:58):
And I don't know what other canclusion you come to, Justin,
that's a very scary reality there.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Unfortunately, is is no other conclusion that I can see.
I think that's exactly what the truth is, and it's
a truth that that folks need to understand that China
is not our friend. What they're preparing to do is
should be very concerning to a lot of people. How
much some good news before we close out our tech
(08:26):
talk segment today, because look, I mean some of this stuff, look,
it's very concerning, it's troubling, it's serious news, but it's
news that I think you need to know. I never
come at any of this by thinking I keep my
head stick my head in the sand. You know, that's
not how I approach life. We've got to make sure
that you are up to speed on what's going on. This,
I think is some good news in Denmark, and maybe
(08:48):
the question is how soon could we get it here.
I don't know that laws are the way to go,
but you know, because I really feel like you should
be able to have as much freedom, but then you'll
be able to make your own choices. And I think
the ultimate solution is that parents know and then they
take those actions like we have with our kids. But
Denmark is planning to ban social media for users under fifteen,
(09:15):
and I might even go a little bit further with
that because I think that I really do. I think
our brain's still developing. You don't have enough life experience
to know what point yet. And now with AI and
everything else out there, Trent, it's wild to watch, but
it happens. You know, there's stuff out there that looks
very really got caught with something the other day and
(09:38):
it looks so real. We don't know what's real and
what is it anymore. Plus all the things that we
know the real truth about what's been happening with social
media for years and the damage it's doing to kids.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
Justin, this is something again I'm with you, Justin. I
think parents should be dictating this and not government. Let's
just put it that way. But regardless of that, this
Denmark's going to have a of children that are ten
or one hundred times better off statistically, practically speak, in reality,
their IQ, their intelligence, their social ability, I mean, all
(10:12):
of the buff they're going to be leaps and bounds
at Justin.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
We're coming to a point where if you have.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
A family in America that has values, values, meaning we
don't sit for six hours a day on our phones,
whether those kids or adults, values of what kind of
content we spread, boundaries and borders on those things. In
the past is you had to go to college, you
had a good degree, and then you were educated, You
are smart, you are successful.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Literally, if you just.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
Keep your kids off social media and a few little
boundaries like that, it's going to be far more life
affecting than a four year college degree in time. If
that's not already the case, just because of how awful
social media is, hours and hours of consumption.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Which is the average kid, it just messes U up.
It's totally detrimental.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
And speaking of like I said, they're not able to
really make the tails heads, but you know that average
person can, and even somebody like me. I saw this
video over the weekend, Trent and I. It was something
that made me laugh. You wouldn't believe how hard this
made me laugh when I saw this, and then I
realized it took me. It wasn't instantly, but it took
(11:23):
me another day or sort of realize what I'd seen
wasn't real. So you're listening to the radio. You can't
see this behind the scenes. Last year they can. It's
a bowl of Halloween candy that's put out for trick
or treaters, sitting on a table on some sort of
porch at a house. It seems to be like a
doorbell camera or security camera footage, and a big possum
(11:45):
is sitting on this table about ready take a bite
out of this candy that's in the bowl. And right
behind it is one of these Halloween decoration witch looking
things that is motion activated or whatnot. And you've seen
those things and they'll make noise and scare you if
you walk up. Well, what happens next is the thing
goes off, the possum jumps about ten feet in the
(12:08):
air and flips out. The candy goes flying. And I
lost it when I saw this too. There's the cart.
I couldn't believe it. When I saw this, Trent, it
was like one of the funniest things I'd seen. Uh,
(12:30):
I mean, and I don't know how long, but then
I started seeing others and that's what tipped me off. Okay,
that that wasn't real. Most people wouldn't know what they
were watching this again, this is the point that we
made this the other day so that people could understand
and some of the other things that we've shared. But
(12:50):
if it's something as small and insignificant as as that, uh,
it could be anything and everything else. I've seen another gosh,
I guess it was a there was one with a
bear and a some some other animal that they had
that was started fighting over it. There's all of this
(13:10):
stuff that's flying around out there and people don't understand yet.
That's that's how that's how far behind we are.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
Yeah, justin that's a great, great example where just some
innocent video, it's AI generated, it's funny, right, whatever, what
harm can be done?
Speaker 3 (13:28):
What it does is number one, it's a time waster.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
If we're sitting for eight hours a day watching funny,
let's just say, innocent.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Videos, what does that do to our psyche?
Speaker 4 (13:38):
And then with that, AI justin what's the long term
if we if six hours a day gets boring of
watching funny animal videos, where is AI going to push
us at that point?
Speaker 3 (13:49):
And that's where it's a slippery salt.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
We're humans, We're meant to interact with people, culture, society, work, home, family, children, church,
that's our work life balance, not sitting six hours a
day with AI pushing more and more things on us
to try to keep us at that screen.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
I think at some point people just start unplugging. I
really do. I think at some point we just go
you know, I don't want to do this anymore. I
don't know what's real and isn't anymore. And I think
I think at some point you're going to see that
kind of a walk away on social media. Only time
will tell. We'll be here for you through it all,
no matter what. Our good friend Trent can, I befortable
(14:27):
Lizetore Lake Michigan Drive and stand down of course, Grand
River Tech. Whether you need personal help with personal devices,
or you're looking for help with something big for your organization,
your school, maybe it's your church. Reach Out to Trent
today and I know we'd be happy to helpfordablelifestore dot com,
(14:49):
Grand Rivertech dot com. Thank you, my friend. Always a pleasure.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Thanks Justin, have a great day.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Hey you got it you too, God bless
This this morning. A couple of big stories and they
want to make sure that we hit and uh, one
of the biggest is probably this story about China. China
finally caught and uh, well we've known about this one
for a while, but we got a story on sixty
minutes over the weekend what they've been doing and trying
(00:22):
to hack folks all across the country, utility companies and
even in your on hamisity there So I'm not that important?
Why would China try to do that? Well, part of
it's chaos. Will dig into that full conversation and the
scope of it to really give you a, you know,
a better picture of why some of this is actually
(00:43):
happening behind the scenes. But speaking of disruption, your job
could be gone in the blink of an eye because
of AI.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
That and more coming up tack into the latest in
tech and how it affects you and your world. This
Tech Talk Tuesday on Wood Radios West Michigan Live.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Our good friend Trick Keevy is here a Ford a
live store like Michigan Drive in Stanielle Grand River Tech
where they need to help you with your individual devices
or your school, your church, your organization, your company, with
they can help you in big ways as well, something
that you're no stranger to. This China story. I want
to get into that coming up here in just a moment.
(01:24):
But first, if we may, let's start here, Trent Ai.
Last week bombshell was dropped here in West Michigan. Four
hundred jobs that the insurance giant Acrochure are going away,
they say in the next year, two hundred of those
right here in West Michigan. And it's wild to watch.
They just built this big building down here downtown. I'm
(01:46):
thinking to myself, what's coming next. By the way, they
may be the first, they won't be the last. Why
is this happening? And what is on the horizons, the
horizon for folks who may be concerned about, you know,
their work. Welcome in, good morning, Trent, come.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
On and justin.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
Yeah, this is something that is going to be taking
headlines for years to come, justin, especially when it comes
to these type of jobs. So this is an accounting job,
an accounting role, and there's very diverse accounting task, but
much of accounting is taking transactions, categorizing them, checking them,
double checking them, reconciling them, recording them, and that specific
(02:29):
type of work AI does a really good job of
and it still needs a little guidance, a little help
from people to make sure it does it correctly.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
But it can get rid of ninety ninety five.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
Percent of the workforce and those very specific types of
jobs of account reconciliation, transaction matching, and some of those
things even like reporting and analysis a little bit more
advanced jobs. AI does massive amount. So we're going to
see more and more of those layoffs. And justin it
is painful. I mean, people who have made a career
of this, people who have had a good paying job,
(03:02):
enjoy their job, do a good job. They're being cut,
they're being axed, and it's because of AI. And the
flip side of this, just and is we've been through
this a lot of times in the past, when we
went from a blacksmiths to C and C operators, when
we went from you know, I don't know, horse and
(03:23):
buggy to cars. I mean the jobs were it was
painful during that time. It was a transition time, but
those people moved up in society, they moved up to
a higher skill job. This is a little bit new
territory because with AI, where is it moving up if
AI is taking some of those more upward jobs, what
is this going to look like? So this is unprecedented,
(03:44):
This is kind of not the same past technology differences,
and it's going to be tough short term. But people
need to innovate and increase their job, increase their skill,
try to move up the ladder, as opposed to saying, hey,
my job is gone, I'm out of the workforce done.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
That's a bad response to this.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
This is this is something we're not going to solve today,
but it's a story that you need to hear. We
need to talk about it, shine a light on it
so that you be thinking about it. I don't ever
want people to be running around in fear. That's not
I'm not trying to invoke spirit of fear. But what
I would like for you to do is think about it,
consider it, and pray about it, because I believe that
you're going to get some answers and that AI is
(04:25):
is like any other tool. I think it's going to
have some really great things, but I think there's going
to be some really bad things that are going to
come out of it as well. It's just like any
other tool. It's going to be used in the hands
of the individual that it's that it's in. Well, folks
are coming for you in your own home and maybe
even your water utility system as well. China caught hacking
(04:47):
sixty minutes with a big expose on its story that
trans no stranger.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
To Is Littleton a major supplier of some kind of
the federal government with a major supplier to a military Nope.
Nick Lawler is general manager of the Littleton, Massachusetts Electric
and Water Utility. His town has ten thousand residents. Can
(05:12):
you think of any reason that China would target your
little community?
Speaker 1 (05:18):
That's the exact question I had for the FBI when
they visit me on that first day.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
And I still can't answer that question.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
No, I can't think of one reason.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
The FBI visited in November twenty twenty three to tell
Lawler that China had access to his utilities computer network.
He says the FEDS told him he was one of
two hundred. How much of all of this is controlled
remotely by computer?
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Olive it.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
In his water treatment plant, Lawler showed us tanks of
dangerous chemicals that are precisely controlled to deliver clean water.
If you had control of these tanks, you've got control
of Littleton, Massachusetts. You can poison the water.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
You can poison the water.
Speaker 5 (06:09):
But China was caught before it had operational control. With
Lawler's permission, the FEDS watched what China was doing and
what they learned was part of an awakening for American security.
If you are willing to go after a small water
provider in Littleton, Massachusetts, what other target is off the list?
Speaker 1 (06:31):
So from the point, by the way, if you think
about this and Trent I know you have, what they
say that they've been able to do is pretty incredible.
You could poison that little town, that could do that
cause chaos. In fact, you only have to do it
a couple of different places in order to cause a stir,
to make people very, very concerned about their water supply
(06:55):
and not trusting it.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Yeah, justin this is a very scary story. We've we've
had cases of this that we've reported. We've discussed this
in the past.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
A couple of years ago, actually another small town's water
supply system. This six sixty minute story revealed that there
was over two hundred and some similar places that were
under attack or supervision or remote access by China specifically,
and that's known cases, how many others are not known
(07:25):
and Justin it's yeah, I mean really, it's hard to
not go down a dark track because the point is
this small town.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
It provides water for these people.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Right, There's no intrinsic, special, top secret technology that China
is trying to siphon off for a new jet fighter
some other thing that we'd say, hey, we don't like this,
but we understand what their goal is. The only conclusion
you can come to is that they're trying to have
immense power remotely to cause mass harm to average people.
(07:58):
And I don't know what other canclusion you come to, Justin,
that's a very scary reality there.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Unfortunately, is is no other conclusion that I can see.
I think that's exactly what the truth is, and it's
a truth that that folks need to understand that China
is not our friend. What they're preparing to do is
should be very concerning to a lot of people. How
much some good news before we close out our tech
(08:26):
talk segment today, because look, I mean some of this stuff, look,
it's very concerning, it's troubling, it's serious news, but it's
news that I think you need to know. I never
come at any of this by thinking I keep my
head stick my head in the sand. You know, that's
not how I approach life. We've got to make sure
that you are up to speed on what's going on. This,
I think is some good news in Denmark, and maybe
(08:48):
the question is how soon could we get it here.
I don't know that laws are the way to go,
but you know, because I really feel like you should
be able to have as much freedom, but then you'll
be able to make your own choices. And I think
the ultimate solution is that parents know and then they
take those actions like we have with our kids. But
Denmark is planning to ban social media for users under fifteen,
(09:15):
and I might even go a little bit further with
that because I think that I really do. I think
our brain's still developing. You don't have enough life experience
to know what point yet. And now with AI and
everything else out there, Trent, it's wild to watch, but
it happens. You know, there's stuff out there that looks
very really got caught with something the other day and
(09:38):
it looks so real. We don't know what's real and
what is it anymore. Plus all the things that we
know the real truth about what's been happening with social
media for years and the damage it's doing to kids.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
Justin, this is something again I'm with you, Justin. I
think parents should be dictating this and not government. Let's
just put it that way. But regardless of that, this
Denmark's going to have a of children that are ten
or one hundred times better off statistically, practically speak, in reality,
their IQ, their intelligence, their social ability, I mean, all
(10:12):
of the buff they're going to be leaps and bounds
at Justin.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
We're coming to a point where if you have.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
A family in America that has values, values, meaning we
don't sit for six hours a day on our phones,
whether those kids or adults, values of what kind of
content we spread, boundaries and borders on those things. In
the past is you had to go to college, you
had a good degree, and then you were educated, You
are smart, you are successful.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Literally, if you just.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
Keep your kids off social media and a few little
boundaries like that, it's going to be far more life
affecting than a four year college degree in time. If
that's not already the case, just because of how awful
social media is, hours and hours of consumption.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Which is the average kid, it just messes U up.
It's totally detrimental.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
And speaking of like I said, they're not able to
really make the tails heads, but you know that average
person can, and even somebody like me. I saw this
video over the weekend, Trent and I. It was something
that made me laugh. You wouldn't believe how hard this
made me laugh when I saw this, and then I
realized it took me. It wasn't instantly, but it took
(11:23):
me another day or sort of realize what I'd seen
wasn't real. So you're listening to the radio. You can't
see this behind the scenes. Last year they can. It's
a bowl of Halloween candy that's put out for trick
or treaters, sitting on a table on some sort of
porch at a house. It seems to be like a
doorbell camera or security camera footage, and a big possum
(11:45):
is sitting on this table about ready take a bite
out of this candy that's in the bowl. And right
behind it is one of these Halloween decoration witch looking
things that is motion activated or whatnot. And you've seen
those things and they'll make noise and scare you if
you walk up. Well, what happens next is the thing
goes off, the possum jumps about ten feet in the
(12:08):
air and flips out. The candy goes flying. And I
lost it when I saw this too. There's the cart.
I couldn't believe it. When I saw this, Trent, it
was like one of the funniest things I'd seen. Uh,
(12:30):
I mean, and I don't know how long, but then
I started seeing others and that's what tipped me off. Okay,
that that wasn't real. Most people wouldn't know what they
were watching this again, this is the point that we
made this the other day so that people could understand
and some of the other things that we've shared. But
(12:50):
if it's something as small and insignificant as as that, uh,
it could be anything and everything else. I've seen another gosh,
I guess it was a there was one with a
bear and a some some other animal that they had
that was started fighting over it. There's all of this
(13:10):
stuff that's flying around out there and people don't understand yet.
That's that's how that's how far behind we are.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
Yeah, justin that's a great, great example where just some
innocent video, it's AI generated, it's funny, right, whatever, what
harm can be done?
Speaker 3 (13:28):
What it does is number one, it's a time waster.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
If we're sitting for eight hours a day watching funny,
let's just say, innocent.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Videos, what does that do to our psyche?
Speaker 4 (13:38):
And then with that, AI justin what's the long term
if we if six hours a day gets boring of
watching funny animal videos, where is AI going to push
us at that point?
Speaker 3 (13:49):
And that's where it's a slippery salt.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
We're humans, We're meant to interact with people, culture, society, work, home, family, children, church,
that's our work life balance, not sitting six hours a
day with AI pushing more and more things on us
to try to keep us at that screen.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
I think at some point people just start unplugging. I
really do. I think at some point we just go
you know, I don't want to do this anymore. I
don't know what's real and isn't anymore. And I think
I think at some point you're going to see that
kind of a walk away on social media. Only time
will tell. We'll be here for you through it all,
no matter what. Our good friend Trent can, I befortable
(14:27):
Lizetore Lake Michigan Drive and stand down of course, Grand
River Tech. Whether you need personal help with personal devices,
or you're looking for help with something big for your organization,
your school, maybe it's your church. Reach Out to Trent
today and I know we'd be happy to helpfordablelifestore dot com,
(14:49):
Grand Rivertech dot com. Thank you, my friend. Always a pleasure.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Thanks Justin, have a great day.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Hey you got it you too, God bless
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