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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Speaking of numbers, the millions of dollars being siphoned off
for your property taxes and in the case of folks
even risking losing their homes if they can't pay for them,
just to pay for pickleball courts and the like has
been a subject of definite ire with some folks, and
(00:22):
Carlo Wagner's been talking about this Ax My Tax and since,
by the way, Carla has been bringing up this subject
for discussion over the last couple of cycles, it's really
made an impact. Sat down with Carl and had lunch
together beautiful, beautiful restaurant and antique shop there, and I
got to tell you, Carla, we really fascinating back and
(00:46):
forth on this and one of the things you mentioned,
and I know this is right because I've been paying
attention to it, but it was a really good reminder
is over the last couple of cycles, these things have
been getting turned down, and I think that's largely due
to the popularity of this Act My Tax movement.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
I sure hope, so I hope so justin I hope
we're reaching people, and I hope we're educating people, because
that is the one thing that I did realize with
so many people were disconnected from their property taxes. Either
they pay them at through escrow and never look at
the bill, or they just don't understand that when they
go and vote yes on a millage, their property tax
(01:25):
is going to increase. And that is the reason why
is because they voted yes on a millage and they
increase their own property tax bill. But they don't understand that,
because why would anyone vote to increase their property tax
bill knowingly? I don't think they would.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
It really is interesting when you think about it, because
you know the things that they're doing and the things
that they get caught. In fact, you've gone through this list.
It's a laundry list of things. And you know, a
pickle ball court, that's sort of the thing that you
are right now. But I'll pay pickle court is nice
at all. But the question you have to ask yourself
(02:05):
is building that pickleball court, whatever the value of it
might be, is that worth putting somebody at risk of
losing their home.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Absolutely not. And you know, as a real estate agent,
I've never had anyone ask me about the availability of
a pickleball court, as like where they want to buy
a house, Like, hey, I want to buy a house
over there because they've got a really nice pickleball court,
or a splash pad, or even a library. I don't
even have people ask me about those things. That's not
(02:35):
what it's important to the people. Is it nice to
have in the community. Absolutely, but never at the risk
of someone losing their property. And that is what's happening
every day, every day across the state.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
So we have a number of issues that are up
in the next week or so that folks are even
already starting to take a look at right now. I
don't know if you even have a list of what
they are, but if folks want to go through this,
I think one of the best look we just mentioned
one of the best reasons or outcomes of the push
(03:10):
of this axe my tax it. So we're going to
tell you how to get petitions because it's still probably
need some help getting some of those out and getting
them passed around. Getting this on a ballot could be critical,
so think about that. But there's a long list of
these things if we're looking at I'm not sure if
you have any of those in front of you or whatnot.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
But I do, in fact, justin and I think this
is hilarious I mean it's not hilarious. It is, but
it isn't. But like Byron Township, they just they want
to add a two percent excise tax on lodging to
fund a community center. Okay, so that's not really hitting
property tax owners, but didn't Kent County and I think
(03:49):
Kent County just added an excise tax to lodging to
pay for the amphitheater.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Yeah, and they're looking at doing something like that Oliver
in Detroit too for any sort of event, which is
which is wild.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Yeah, but you know, at some point people are going
to start thinking it's too expensive to travel, the hotel
expenses are too too high. Then we have a township
that wants a spongy moth mot spongey moth suppression millage proposal.
We have Byron Center Public School bond proposal one hundred
(04:23):
and ten million dollars. And listen to this. They are
going to borrow. Now it says part of it is
they're going to borrow two point eight million and the
interest on there is going to be six point one million.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Okay, So and they already have qualified bonds outstanding of
one hundred and forty six million and a qualified loan
outstanding of another eighteen million. Do you really think they
should be borrowing more money to do? I know we
have you know, there's one in East Grand Rapids a
sinking fund. There's one in Godwin Heights bond proposal forty
(05:01):
five million, five hundred and here's what it says. These
proceeds cannot be used for repair or maintenance, teacher administration,
or employee salaries or other operating expenses. So it's to
buy a bus, it's to buy equipment for school buildings
(05:24):
forty four million dollars. Here's another one eighteen mills on
commercial property, non homestead, so eighteen mills. That's all your
businesses are going to get slammed with that. You know
what we're We're putting businesses out of business left and right,
and then how do we make up that revenue? Right?
(05:46):
We have another sinking fund. We have some of them
that even I mean, here's Wyoming Public Schools a sinking
fund proposal, and Wyoming Public Schools has a bond proposal.
Rockford Public Schools two hundred and thirty million dollars ask
And it's so funny because some of these things they say, well,
(06:07):
we have to make up for what the Headley When
you have a Headley roll back, the Headly rollback forces
the millages to decrease because they're making too much money
too fast because assessments are going up and new homes
are being built, so they're making money too much money
too fast, which the Headley requirement means they back off
(06:29):
on the millages. And now they're asking to be able
to reinstate that millage back to where it should be
at the very highest point because they don't like having
to roll it back. They want it to be at
the very maximum. But the Headley Amendment is there to
protect the taxpayers so we don't pay too much, and
they just want to subvert the Headley Amendment. They're doing
(06:49):
everything they can to get as many dollars out of
the property taxpayers. And I will tell you what, after
all of these millages that are going to be in
all of these different school districts, then we also have
one from the Kent Intermediate School District, which means Rockford
might have their own bond proposal ask But then the
(07:14):
Kent Intermediate School District has one too, So that's two
millages that are going to affect Rockford. Rockford public schools,
Kent Intermediate, Godwin Heights, Kent Intermediate, Byron Center, plus the
Kent Intermediate School District. So there's multiple millages that could
get added onto your property tax bill at one in
(07:36):
one election. It's not just a little bit of money,
it's money from multiple millages.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
It's incredible and shining a light on this over the
last couple of cycles. Because of the ax my tax movement,
there's a chance to get it on the ballot, and
Carla is pushing for that once again axmi tax dot org. Butcarla,
I give you a couple of moments here, you're also
running for governor. This is another big point that folks
are looking at as you make your run, really to
(08:06):
shine a light on this cause and beyond some of
the insanity happening in Michigan.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
You know, that's exactly it. Justin because the last five
years that I've spent on ax my tax, you know,
working to save people's homes, farms and businesses. I've spent
some time with people in Lancing and I've recognized that
they're not going to help us. They do not want
to help us, even our you know, the Republicans had
the ability to cut the budget to cut the spending,
(08:34):
and they didn't. In fact, they increased it. There's not
one dollar worth of savings to the taxpayer in that
new budget that they just wrote, not one dollar of
savings for us. In fact, they just increased the spending.
It's it's so ridiculous. We have no one in lancing
representing us. So I hope to be that person, and
(08:56):
I will work to eliminate property taxes. The funny thing
is we Governor DeSantis is now talking about it in Florida.
President Trump has jumped on my bandwagon and he now
talks about property tax elimination. I spoke to people from
Tennessee and Georgia yesterday that saw me on the wbu
(09:17):
R program, and they said, we want to start this here.
We've already got Ohio doing it. Ohio is a x
h T a x so Ohio's doing it. I'm hoping
that we can make this a nationwide movement because if
we don't own our property, we have no rights at all.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
It's Carla Wagner XMI tax dot org and Carla ka
r LA FOURMI dot com. But an important reminder because
a lot of people don't even realize in these off
year elections that these melogies are taking place, and I
think that's why we've gotten in such a mess that
we've gotten in the first place. We've got to be aware,
(09:58):
we got to stay on top of this stuff because
it impacts you and so many others that you know, Carlo,
always a pleasure. Thank you for taking the time to
be here with us today.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Thank you, Justin. And you know what, there's going to
be a debate tonight in Sparta Gubernatorio the first one. Yeah,
going to be tonight in Sparta. I'm not all I'm
not sure which of the candidates are going to be there.
But you know what, mister Mike Cox, who normally talks
about income tax elimination, just jumped on our property tax
reform wagon, not quite all the way, didn't take the
(10:28):
big jump to elimination. So I think pretty much every
we have forced all of the governor candidates to start
talking about property tax because they hear from the people
that that is what they want, relief or elimination of
property tax. So I think we got all of the
governor candidates talking about it.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Now, keep fighting the good fight.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
We will.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
We will always a pleasure you got it, Carla Wagner,
God bless
Speaking of numbers, the millions of dollars being siphoned off
for your property taxes and in the case of folks
even risking losing their homes if they can't pay for them,
just to pay for pickleball courts and the like has
been a subject of definite ire with some folks, and
(00:22):
Carlo Wagner's been talking about this Ax My Tax and since,
by the way, Carla has been bringing up this subject
for discussion over the last couple of cycles, it's really
made an impact. Sat down with Carl and had lunch
together beautiful, beautiful restaurant and antique shop there, and I
got to tell you, Carla, we really fascinating back and
(00:46):
forth on this and one of the things you mentioned,
and I know this is right because I've been paying
attention to it, but it was a really good reminder
is over the last couple of cycles, these things have
been getting turned down, and I think that's largely due
to the popularity of this Act My Tax movement.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
I sure hope, so I hope so justin I hope
we're reaching people, and I hope we're educating people, because
that is the one thing that I did realize with
so many people were disconnected from their property taxes. Either
they pay them at through escrow and never look at
the bill, or they just don't understand that when they
go and vote yes on a millage, their property tax
(01:25):
is going to increase. And that is the reason why
is because they voted yes on a millage and they
increase their own property tax bill. But they don't understand that,
because why would anyone vote to increase their property tax
bill knowingly? I don't think they would.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
It really is interesting when you think about it, because
you know the things that they're doing and the things
that they get caught. In fact, you've gone through this list.
It's a laundry list of things. And you know, a
pickle ball court, that's sort of the thing that you
are right now. But I'll pay pickle court is nice
at all. But the question you have to ask yourself
(02:05):
is building that pickleball court, whatever the value of it
might be, is that worth putting somebody at risk of
losing their home.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Absolutely not. And you know, as a real estate agent,
I've never had anyone ask me about the availability of
a pickleball court, as like where they want to buy
a house, Like, hey, I want to buy a house
over there because they've got a really nice pickleball court,
or a splash pad, or even a library. I don't
even have people ask me about those things. That's not
(02:35):
what it's important to the people. Is it nice to
have in the community. Absolutely, but never at the risk
of someone losing their property. And that is what's happening
every day, every day across the state.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
So we have a number of issues that are up
in the next week or so that folks are even
already starting to take a look at right now. I
don't know if you even have a list of what
they are, but if folks want to go through this,
I think one of the best look we just mentioned
one of the best reasons or outcomes of the push
(03:10):
of this axe my tax it. So we're going to
tell you how to get petitions because it's still probably
need some help getting some of those out and getting
them passed around. Getting this on a ballot could be critical,
so think about that. But there's a long list of
these things if we're looking at I'm not sure if
you have any of those in front of you or whatnot.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
But I do, in fact, justin and I think this
is hilarious I mean it's not hilarious. It is, but
it isn't. But like Byron Township, they just they want
to add a two percent excise tax on lodging to
fund a community center. Okay, so that's not really hitting
property tax owners, but didn't Kent County and I think
(03:49):
Kent County just added an excise tax to lodging to
pay for the amphitheater.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Yeah, and they're looking at doing something like that Oliver
in Detroit too for any sort of event, which is
which is wild.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Yeah, but you know, at some point people are going
to start thinking it's too expensive to travel, the hotel
expenses are too too high. Then we have a township
that wants a spongy moth mot spongey moth suppression millage proposal.
We have Byron Center Public School bond proposal one hundred
(04:23):
and ten million dollars. And listen to this. They are
going to borrow. Now it says part of it is
they're going to borrow two point eight million and the
interest on there is going to be six point one million.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Okay, So and they already have qualified bonds outstanding of
one hundred and forty six million and a qualified loan
outstanding of another eighteen million. Do you really think they
should be borrowing more money to do? I know we
have you know, there's one in East Grand Rapids a
sinking fund. There's one in Godwin Heights bond proposal forty
(05:01):
five million, five hundred and here's what it says. These
proceeds cannot be used for repair or maintenance, teacher administration,
or employee salaries or other operating expenses. So it's to
buy a bus, it's to buy equipment for school buildings
(05:24):
forty four million dollars. Here's another one eighteen mills on
commercial property, non homestead, so eighteen mills. That's all your
businesses are going to get slammed with that. You know
what we're We're putting businesses out of business left and right,
and then how do we make up that revenue? Right?
(05:46):
We have another sinking fund. We have some of them
that even I mean, here's Wyoming Public Schools a sinking
fund proposal, and Wyoming Public Schools has a bond proposal.
Rockford Public Schools two hundred and thirty million dollars ask
And it's so funny because some of these things they say, well,
(06:07):
we have to make up for what the Headley When
you have a Headley roll back, the Headly rollback forces
the millages to decrease because they're making too much money
too fast because assessments are going up and new homes
are being built, so they're making money too much money
too fast, which the Headley requirement means they back off
(06:29):
on the millages. And now they're asking to be able
to reinstate that millage back to where it should be
at the very highest point because they don't like having
to roll it back. They want it to be at
the very maximum. But the Headley Amendment is there to
protect the taxpayers so we don't pay too much, and
they just want to subvert the Headley Amendment. They're doing
(06:49):
everything they can to get as many dollars out of
the property taxpayers. And I will tell you what, after
all of these millages that are going to be in
all of these different school districts, then we also have
one from the Kent Intermediate School District, which means Rockford
might have their own bond proposal ask But then the
(07:14):
Kent Intermediate School District has one too, So that's two
millages that are going to affect Rockford. Rockford public schools,
Kent Intermediate, Godwin Heights, Kent Intermediate, Byron Center, plus the
Kent Intermediate School District. So there's multiple millages that could
get added onto your property tax bill at one in
(07:36):
one election. It's not just a little bit of money,
it's money from multiple millages.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
It's incredible and shining a light on this over the
last couple of cycles. Because of the ax my tax movement,
there's a chance to get it on the ballot, and
Carla is pushing for that once again axmi tax dot org. Butcarla,
I give you a couple of moments here, you're also
running for governor. This is another big point that folks
are looking at as you make your run, really to
(08:06):
shine a light on this cause and beyond some of
the insanity happening in Michigan.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
You know, that's exactly it. Justin because the last five
years that I've spent on ax my tax, you know,
working to save people's homes, farms and businesses. I've spent
some time with people in Lancing and I've recognized that
they're not going to help us. They do not want
to help us, even our you know, the Republicans had
the ability to cut the budget to cut the spending,
(08:34):
and they didn't. In fact, they increased it. There's not
one dollar worth of savings to the taxpayer in that
new budget that they just wrote, not one dollar of
savings for us. In fact, they just increased the spending.
It's it's so ridiculous. We have no one in lancing
representing us. So I hope to be that person, and
(08:56):
I will work to eliminate property taxes. The funny thing
is we Governor DeSantis is now talking about it in Florida.
President Trump has jumped on my bandwagon and he now
talks about property tax elimination. I spoke to people from
Tennessee and Georgia yesterday that saw me on the wbu
(09:17):
R program, and they said, we want to start this here.
We've already got Ohio doing it. Ohio is a x
h T a x so Ohio's doing it. I'm hoping
that we can make this a nationwide movement because if
we don't own our property, we have no rights at all.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
It's Carla Wagner XMI tax dot org and Carla ka
r LA FOURMI dot com. But an important reminder because
a lot of people don't even realize in these off
year elections that these melogies are taking place, and I
think that's why we've gotten in such a mess that
we've gotten in the first place. We've got to be aware,
(09:58):
we got to stay on top of this stuff because
it impacts you and so many others that you know, Carlo,
always a pleasure. Thank you for taking the time to
be here with us today.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Thank you, Justin. And you know what, there's going to
be a debate tonight in Sparta Gubernatorio the first one. Yeah,
going to be tonight in Sparta. I'm not all I'm
not sure which of the candidates are going to be there.
But you know what, mister Mike Cox, who normally talks
about income tax elimination, just jumped on our property tax
reform wagon, not quite all the way, didn't take the
(10:28):
big jump to elimination. So I think pretty much every
we have forced all of the governor candidates to start
talking about property tax because they hear from the people
that that is what they want, relief or elimination of
property tax. So I think we got all of the
governor candidates talking about it.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Now, keep fighting the good fight.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
We will.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
We will always a pleasure you got it, Carla Wagner,
God bless
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