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Speaker 1 (00:00):
In studio as we continue our conversations here with folks
who are making big moves and running in twenty twenty six,
I've got to tell you, probably one of the biggest
years we're going to find out. And twenty four was
huge for Michigan, but for this the for the country,
but for the state of Michigan, twenty six I think
is going to be equally as big in studio with
(00:22):
us right now as Eaton County Prosecutor Dog Lloyd, and
he's running for Attorney general. So I appreciate you being
here with us today.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
In studio with you.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Absolutely you got quite a track record yourself, but you're
looking at the things that need to be done here
in the state. Why there's been so much conversation back
and forth about where we need to go to get
things back on track. What's your sense of what needs
to happen and what matters most for this particular position.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Well, for this position, it really comes down to just leadership.
I've looked at the last six years with the Attorney
General and we've seen a lot of political activism. You know,
the Attorney General is doing things that she likes, right,
but that's not what the attorney general is supposed to do.
Attorney general is chief league. Loss are supposed to defend
the state, protect all ten million citizens' rights, and that's
(01:12):
just not happening. And so as a local county prosecutor,
I see it at the I see it at the
ground level, and it's it's not a hard concept to
believe that, you know, we can actually work within a budget,
work with the budget that the legislature gives us, and
actually bring in leadership that's going to tell the workers
there at the Attorney General's office that we're going to
stop being politicians and we're going to actually get back
(01:34):
to representing the people of the state.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
You know. And to your point, I've seen this play
out recently. We're watching it in other states right now too.
Is a lot of legal questions that are flying through
the air. And I don't know, I just look at
things from am like a common sense approach. I'm not
an attorney. I don't know, but it does seem like
we've seen, and particularly over the last several years, that
(01:59):
there is a certain, as you mentioned, approach. It's it's
a rules for thee and not for me kind of approach.
And I don't care what side of the aisle you're
on that that didn't That doesn't do well for any
of us. I don't think no.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
And what I've seen justin is that we're you know,
we have a lot of attorney generals out there, both
at the federal and the state level, that are prosecuting
from a podium, and that's not what you're supposed to do.
You know, when you're actually building a case and investigating
a case, then you're supposed to review all those facts,
and ethically, you should never bring it forward until you
(02:37):
can actually put that piece of paper in front of
a judge. And so when people are getting out there
saying that, hey, I'm going to go and you know,
I'm gonna go and prosecute Trump, you know, when you
run on that is your platform for an attorney general spot,
you're basically saying that, you know, I'm biased, but I'm
going to go ahead and do it. That's not how
we're supposed to be. We're supposed to be representing all
ten million people, not just a certain few that we
(02:59):
kind of.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Like, we saw that in New York specifically exactly, and
it turns out we heard throughout that entire time, no
one is above the law, right right, it turns out
now that particular individual and New York is being looked
at for some issues that she's had in her past.
(03:21):
A lot of this, I guess these people have felt
like there were no consequences to these actions. We lived
in a world where for a lot of a lot
of folks there weren't consequences to action. I for one,
and I know a lot of folks feel the same way,
would like to see us return to that world where
there are consequences for these actions. And by the way,
I think that would save a lot of people a
(03:42):
lot of trouble. And I think it saved a lot
of lives too well.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
And that's that's the interesting thing, right justin is that
the local people, you know, the citizens of our community,
they think about actions every day, right. We all try
to be good citizens. And the citizens who choose not
to be, well, they're subject to court. Why is it
that when we leave that local level and we go
up to the state of the federal level, that seems
(04:05):
to disappear, and that for me, it makes no sense.
And that's where really I come in going you know what,
I have the experience of thirty years as a prosecutor
since twenty thirteen, I've been the elected prosecutor in Eaton County.
I understand what leadership means, and that's really what it's
going to take, is that actually somebody's got to put
their foot down, be the adult in the room and
(04:26):
actually say, you know what, if we can do it
at the county level, we can do it at the city,
the township level. Well why can't it be done at
the state level.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
What are some of the toughest things that you've had
to face as a prosecutor through those years. I can
imagine it's not an easy job.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Well, I mean you've taken the thirty years that I've
been doing it. You know, you've got drug dealers, rapists,
you know, murderers and even corrupt politicians I prosecuted amall,
you know. I mean that's where I tell everybody. You know,
I've got to proven conservative track record that you can
go watch. You can go on court TV and see
the latest murder case that I actually did nine days
(05:02):
of a murder case that involved bringing a woman back
from Italy. I mean, all the extradition issues that went
with it. Then you got just the budget issues, you know,
they just cut the attorney general's you know budget this year,
and they actually took it from one big ball line
item where they just had a slush fund and actually
broke it down to mini light light items. Your county prosecutor,
(05:25):
well they're they're doing that every year. You know, your
county clerk, your your county treasury. They have to live
within a budget. Why is it when we get to
the state level, we all of a sudden can't live
within a budget, but yet you make your locals do
it every single year. So these are issues that you know,
I've been facing since I was the elected prosecutor, and
so it's not a it's not a new concept. It
(05:48):
really comes down to can you just walk in day
one and say I'm gonna actually do this, or you
look at the people and say no more, no more
political lawsuits, no more political prosecutions, not doing it.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Doug Lawyd's with us right now. He's the Eaton County
Prosecutor's running for Attorney general here in Michigan. As we
talk about some of these issues that folks are looking up,
we you know, you just sort of touched on the
law fair portion. We've kind of walked around that, but
what are some of the other issues that Michigan faces.
It may not be necessarily on the radar yet for
(06:23):
some folks who are looking maybe you see down the road.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
For me, it's really getting back to that simplistic idea
of actually just being effective for the state. You know.
I talked to people around the country and I was
talking to one oil company and they said, well, you know,
I know who your attorney general is. And I said, well,
why do you have an infrastructure here in our state?
(06:47):
And they're like, well, no, no, we don't actually touch
your state. Well, then why would you know who our
attorney general is? What would be your you know, other
than just being a multinational company, right, And he was like, well,
we get threatened to be suon by your attorney general
all the time. Why you have no infrastructure in our state?
How is that lawsuit going to benefit? So for me,
(07:08):
it's really going to be sitting down that first day
and going all right, department heads, let's meet, because it's
time to actually start protecting the citizens in Michigan. And
I think we're having a lot of you know, wasted
tax dollars because we're actually taking those assistants and we're
asking them to do things that have absolutely no help
to the state. They don't help us at all, they
(07:29):
don't help the citizens. You know. Another big thing is that,
you know, as I'm traveling around the state, I was
up in the Upper Peninsula last week, and you know,
they talked about just the lack of support. They just
fell left out. No one thinks of them. And that's
one of the real things that attorney general is supposed
to do, and they used to do it. They're actually
supposed to be helping those local counties. If those local prosecutors,
(07:51):
you know, are those local clerks are having issues, they
should be able to pick up the phone and call
the Attorney General and actually get help. And it's not happening.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
These are just some of the things we'll be discussing
here in twenty twenty six. I believe in this next
upcoming election and beyond, but again it really kind of
I think underscores how important it is for the state
of Michigan. We see a lot of things happening in
the national level. We see a lot of promise there
from the twenty twenty four election, the results there. This
(08:22):
is now I believe our moment here in Michigan to
get things back on track, and you likely will play
a big role in that. Well.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
I think it's important. I mean, you've had all the
governors on and they all come with their own experience,
and the people are going to decide that, but you know,
each one of them has experience and that's important. And
I think that's what you have to look at when
you're looking at you know, that down ballot, when you're
looking at the Secretary of State and the Attorney general,
do you have people who just have ideas or do
you have people who have experience who can actually turn
(08:51):
the state around. Because that's what it's going to take,
is that trifecta of jobs right there, the governor, the
Attorney General, and the Secretary of State to actually put
a hard stop to the wave Michigan that's been going
and bring it back to the way that people used
to remember it.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
If folks want to find out more, I know you
can go online. You've got a great website. Here. What's
the best way, Because I also know that you want
to talk to people and you're going, like you said,
you were up up in the up just a couple
of days ago. You'd like to I'm sure shake hands
and have those conversations with people.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
I do. You know, we're we got another couple events
here in West Michigan. We'll be in Monroe tonight. But yeah,
vote Doug Lloyd dot Com is the website and on
all the social media, Doug Lloyd Prosecutor is Facebook. That's
where you can follow all my excursions. My son Nick
and I just got back from two thousand miles and
two weeks up in the up hit now fifteen counties
(09:44):
up there, and so yeah, yeah, we're you know, we
were in Luddington yesterday and so we're getting out because
as you know, justin it's a delegate convention. You know
a lot of people don't know that. They go, hey, Doug,
I support you, I'm going to vote for you. Well,
are you a delegate? Yeah, because if you're not a delegate,
you may never get a chance to vote for me.
It's going to be two thousand people March twenty eighth
who are going to make that decision as to as
(10:06):
to who the Attorney General and Secretary of State are
moving on. So it's important that they get out and
decide do they want experience or do they just want
great ideas, because great ideas aren't going to get it done.
We've seen what's happened in the last six years where
people come in with their ideas hasn't been very effective
for those that the rest of us in Michigan.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
You know it as interesting as you make that point, Doug
Lloyd here running for the Attorney General, that race, along
with the Secretary of State, does happen at the convention.
So it's a little different. But you still have to
cover all the ground, don't you have to get to
all these different places.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Well, you're going to find two thousand people, right, I mean,
there's six thousand plus delegates precinct delegates in the state
and that will be condensed down at a county convention
to two thousand people to go to the state conventions.
So yes, you need to hit eighty three counties if
you can in order to meet those delegates, and at
the same time you want to get the general public to.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Know who you are as well. Yeah, it's a it's
a big race. We look forward to hearing how it
all works out, how it plays out, and of course
your role on it. Happy to have you back in
if you'd like to come back sometime and come back
on and talk about what's going on and what you
see on the ground, because these are these are stories
and I think again a position that people don't realize
(11:22):
until it winds up in the hands of somebody like
the current Attorney General Dan and Nessel, how sideways things
can go and what's really needed to get them back
on track right now.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
If you're not protecting the state and only living up
to the desires of yourself, then yeah, that state's gonna
go sideways. And so that's exactly why I got into
the race, and justin I'd love to be back on
your show anytime you need me.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
My pleasure, Thank you, sir, Doug Lloyd here with us,
and again if you want to go online to the website,
he's got it up right now and find out vote
Doug Lloyd dot com. That's vote Doug Lloyd dot com.
Two wells there and obviously lay always a pleasure. Thank you, sir,
Thank you,
In studio as we continue our conversations here with folks
who are making big moves and running in twenty twenty six,
I've got to tell you, probably one of the biggest
years we're going to find out. And twenty four was
huge for Michigan, but for this the for the country,
but for the state of Michigan, twenty six I think
is going to be equally as big in studio with
(00:22):
us right now as Eaton County Prosecutor Dog Lloyd, and
he's running for Attorney general. So I appreciate you being
here with us today.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
In studio with you.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Absolutely you got quite a track record yourself, but you're
looking at the things that need to be done here
in the state. Why there's been so much conversation back
and forth about where we need to go to get
things back on track. What's your sense of what needs
to happen and what matters most for this particular position.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Well, for this position, it really comes down to just leadership.
I've looked at the last six years with the Attorney
General and we've seen a lot of political activism. You know,
the Attorney General is doing things that she likes, right,
but that's not what the attorney general is supposed to do.
Attorney general is chief league. Loss are supposed to defend
the state, protect all ten million citizens' rights, and that's
(01:12):
just not happening. And so as a local county prosecutor,
I see it at the I see it at the
ground level, and it's it's not a hard concept to
believe that, you know, we can actually work within a budget,
work with the budget that the legislature gives us, and
actually bring in leadership that's going to tell the workers
there at the Attorney General's office that we're going to
stop being politicians and we're going to actually get back
(01:34):
to representing the people of the state.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
You know. And to your point, I've seen this play
out recently. We're watching it in other states right now too.
Is a lot of legal questions that are flying through
the air. And I don't know, I just look at
things from am like a common sense approach. I'm not
an attorney. I don't know, but it does seem like
we've seen, and particularly over the last several years, that
(01:59):
there is a certain, as you mentioned, approach. It's it's
a rules for thee and not for me kind of approach.
And I don't care what side of the aisle you're
on that that didn't That doesn't do well for any
of us. I don't think no.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
And what I've seen justin is that we're you know,
we have a lot of attorney generals out there, both
at the federal and the state level, that are prosecuting
from a podium, and that's not what you're supposed to do.
You know, when you're actually building a case and investigating
a case, then you're supposed to review all those facts,
and ethically, you should never bring it forward until you
(02:37):
can actually put that piece of paper in front of
a judge. And so when people are getting out there
saying that, hey, I'm going to go and you know,
I'm gonna go and prosecute Trump, you know, when you
run on that is your platform for an attorney general spot,
you're basically saying that, you know, I'm biased, but I'm
going to go ahead and do it. That's not how
we're supposed to be. We're supposed to be representing all
ten million people, not just a certain few that we
(02:59):
kind of.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Like, we saw that in New York specifically exactly, and
it turns out we heard throughout that entire time, no
one is above the law, right right, it turns out
now that particular individual and New York is being looked
at for some issues that she's had in her past.
(03:21):
A lot of this, I guess these people have felt
like there were no consequences to these actions. We lived
in a world where for a lot of a lot
of folks there weren't consequences to action. I for one,
and I know a lot of folks feel the same way,
would like to see us return to that world where
there are consequences for these actions. And by the way,
I think that would save a lot of people a
(03:42):
lot of trouble. And I think it saved a lot
of lives too well.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
And that's that's the interesting thing, right justin is that
the local people, you know, the citizens of our community,
they think about actions every day, right. We all try
to be good citizens. And the citizens who choose not
to be, well, they're subject to court. Why is it
that when we leave that local level and we go
up to the state of the federal level, that seems
(04:05):
to disappear, and that for me, it makes no sense.
And that's where really I come in going you know what,
I have the experience of thirty years as a prosecutor
since twenty thirteen, I've been the elected prosecutor in Eaton County.
I understand what leadership means, and that's really what it's
going to take, is that actually somebody's got to put
their foot down, be the adult in the room and
(04:26):
actually say, you know what, if we can do it
at the county level, we can do it at the city,
the township level. Well why can't it be done at
the state level.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
What are some of the toughest things that you've had
to face as a prosecutor through those years. I can
imagine it's not an easy job.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Well, I mean you've taken the thirty years that I've
been doing it. You know, you've got drug dealers, rapists,
you know, murderers and even corrupt politicians I prosecuted amall,
you know. I mean that's where I tell everybody. You know,
I've got to proven conservative track record that you can
go watch. You can go on court TV and see
the latest murder case that I actually did nine days
(05:02):
of a murder case that involved bringing a woman back
from Italy. I mean, all the extradition issues that went
with it. Then you got just the budget issues, you know,
they just cut the attorney general's you know budget this year,
and they actually took it from one big ball line
item where they just had a slush fund and actually
broke it down to mini light light items. Your county prosecutor,
(05:25):
well they're they're doing that every year. You know, your
county clerk, your your county treasury. They have to live
within a budget. Why is it when we get to
the state level, we all of a sudden can't live
within a budget, but yet you make your locals do
it every single year. So these are issues that you know,
I've been facing since I was the elected prosecutor, and
so it's not a it's not a new concept. It
(05:48):
really comes down to can you just walk in day
one and say I'm gonna actually do this, or you
look at the people and say no more, no more
political lawsuits, no more political prosecutions, not doing it.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Doug Lawyd's with us right now. He's the Eaton County
Prosecutor's running for Attorney general here in Michigan. As we
talk about some of these issues that folks are looking up,
we you know, you just sort of touched on the
law fair portion. We've kind of walked around that, but
what are some of the other issues that Michigan faces.
It may not be necessarily on the radar yet for
(06:23):
some folks who are looking maybe you see down the road.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
For me, it's really getting back to that simplistic idea
of actually just being effective for the state. You know.
I talked to people around the country and I was
talking to one oil company and they said, well, you know,
I know who your attorney general is. And I said, well,
why do you have an infrastructure here in our state?
(06:47):
And they're like, well, no, no, we don't actually touch
your state. Well, then why would you know who our
attorney general is? What would be your you know, other
than just being a multinational company, right, And he was like, well,
we get threatened to be suon by your attorney general
all the time. Why you have no infrastructure in our state?
How is that lawsuit going to benefit? So for me,
(07:08):
it's really going to be sitting down that first day
and going all right, department heads, let's meet, because it's
time to actually start protecting the citizens in Michigan. And
I think we're having a lot of you know, wasted
tax dollars because we're actually taking those assistants and we're
asking them to do things that have absolutely no help
to the state. They don't help us at all, they
(07:29):
don't help the citizens. You know. Another big thing is that,
you know, as I'm traveling around the state, I was
up in the Upper Peninsula last week, and you know,
they talked about just the lack of support. They just
fell left out. No one thinks of them. And that's
one of the real things that attorney general is supposed
to do, and they used to do it. They're actually
supposed to be helping those local counties. If those local prosecutors,
(07:51):
you know, are those local clerks are having issues, they
should be able to pick up the phone and call
the Attorney General and actually get help. And it's not happening.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
These are just some of the things we'll be discussing
here in twenty twenty six. I believe in this next
upcoming election and beyond, but again it really kind of
I think underscores how important it is for the state
of Michigan. We see a lot of things happening in
the national level. We see a lot of promise there
from the twenty twenty four election, the results there. This
(08:22):
is now I believe our moment here in Michigan to
get things back on track, and you likely will play
a big role in that. Well.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
I think it's important. I mean, you've had all the
governors on and they all come with their own experience,
and the people are going to decide that, but you know,
each one of them has experience and that's important. And
I think that's what you have to look at when
you're looking at you know, that down ballot, when you're
looking at the Secretary of State and the Attorney general,
do you have people who just have ideas or do
you have people who have experience who can actually turn
(08:51):
the state around. Because that's what it's going to take,
is that trifecta of jobs right there, the governor, the
Attorney General, and the Secretary of State to actually put
a hard stop to the wave Michigan that's been going
and bring it back to the way that people used
to remember it.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
If folks want to find out more, I know you
can go online. You've got a great website. Here. What's
the best way, Because I also know that you want
to talk to people and you're going, like you said,
you were up up in the up just a couple
of days ago. You'd like to I'm sure shake hands
and have those conversations with people.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
I do. You know, we're we got another couple events
here in West Michigan. We'll be in Monroe tonight. But yeah,
vote Doug Lloyd dot Com is the website and on
all the social media, Doug Lloyd Prosecutor is Facebook. That's
where you can follow all my excursions. My son Nick
and I just got back from two thousand miles and
two weeks up in the up hit now fifteen counties
(09:44):
up there, and so yeah, yeah, we're you know, we
were in Luddington yesterday and so we're getting out because
as you know, justin it's a delegate convention. You know
a lot of people don't know that. They go, hey, Doug,
I support you, I'm going to vote for you. Well,
are you a delegate? Yeah, because if you're not a delegate,
you may never get a chance to vote for me.
It's going to be two thousand people March twenty eighth
who are going to make that decision as to as
(10:06):
to who the Attorney General and Secretary of State are
moving on. So it's important that they get out and
decide do they want experience or do they just want
great ideas, because great ideas aren't going to get it done.
We've seen what's happened in the last six years where
people come in with their ideas hasn't been very effective
for those that the rest of us in Michigan.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
You know it as interesting as you make that point, Doug
Lloyd here running for the Attorney General, that race, along
with the Secretary of State, does happen at the convention.
So it's a little different. But you still have to
cover all the ground, don't you have to get to
all these different places.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Well, you're going to find two thousand people, right, I mean,
there's six thousand plus delegates precinct delegates in the state
and that will be condensed down at a county convention
to two thousand people to go to the state conventions.
So yes, you need to hit eighty three counties if
you can in order to meet those delegates, and at
the same time you want to get the general public to.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Know who you are as well. Yeah, it's a it's
a big race. We look forward to hearing how it
all works out, how it plays out, and of course
your role on it. Happy to have you back in
if you'd like to come back sometime and come back
on and talk about what's going on and what you
see on the ground, because these are these are stories
and I think again a position that people don't realize
(11:22):
until it winds up in the hands of somebody like
the current Attorney General Dan and Nessel, how sideways things
can go and what's really needed to get them back
on track right now.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
If you're not protecting the state and only living up
to the desires of yourself, then yeah, that state's gonna
go sideways. And so that's exactly why I got into
the race, and justin I'd love to be back on
your show anytime you need me.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
My pleasure, Thank you, sir, Doug Lloyd here with us,
and again if you want to go online to the website,
he's got it up right now and find out vote
Doug Lloyd dot com. That's vote Doug Lloyd dot com.
Two wells there and obviously lay always a pleasure. Thank you, sir,
Thank you,
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