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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Get ready to strap in. It's going to be a
heck of a riot. It's like drinking from a fire hose.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Never a dull moment. But yes, you'll hear the stories
you won't hear anywhere else. And we appreciate you being
here with us being today. I'm justin Barclay.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Yeah, the green pipe dream is flickering, and Steve Gorham
is here to tell us why the lights are about
to go out. From rolling blackouts in Spain and Portugal
to President Trump's new executive order body slamming state climate loss.
Looking at you, Michigan, Steve unpacks the damo's already tipping
(00:35):
and we'll hit the looming Grand Rapids Climate Symposium as well.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Strap in.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
This is a crash course on the coming renewable energy breakdown,
and Steve has it all. In fact, let's start with
President Trump and the latest Steve.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
So it's major, major changes in place. A lot of
this isn't in the press, but it's happening every single day.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
I love seeing this, I love hearing a matter of fact,
when I saw that director of the EPA was going
to be lee Z Eldon, I thought to myself, here
we go, return to common sense, and we're seeing that,
as you mentioned, a lot of these things aren't front
page headlines because there's so many things that are happening,
and the left or the climate change regimes, some of
(01:17):
these wackos out there have been so overwhelmed with some
of the things, which they think is a fantastic strategy,
that they just really haven't been able to keep up
with it all, have they.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
No it is remarkable. On the twentieth of January, mister
Trump came in and issued a lot of executive orders,
and part of those orders was to basically roll back
the climate regime regime, a roll back the Green New Deal,
roll back green energy.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
On that day he stopped all offshore wind leases.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
We have about eighty or nine states on the East
coast and then Oregon, California on the west coast. They
want to build wind turbines everywhere, but to build a
wind turbine offshore, you have to have a license from
the federal government. The US owns the land from three
mile out to two hundred miles out, and he has shut.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
All those down.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
We have tremendous changes to US climate policy and staffing
at NOAH, at NASA, at the Federal Energy Management Agency
at the EPA, and so there's just huge things going on.
Matter of fact, the climate models may even be challenged.
(02:28):
The climate models are really the have been the core
of a climate alarm over the last thirty years, predicting.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
All kinds of things.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
But now mister Trump is cutting Noah's budget. I'm scary.
Cutting NASA's budget the Space Agency by fifty percent in
fiscal year twenty twenty six. That's the plan still has
to be approved by Congress. And he may want them
to stick to space exploration that's really amazing instead of
climate stuff. But they've got some of the climate models.
(03:00):
They may not have money to run NOAH. The same
way they're getting a twenty seven percent cup. The Department
of Energy is getting a big cuts. So these are big,
big changes and just going to stop the US climate
policy climate model efforts.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
In their tracks, I love saying it.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Why don't you break down if you can some of
those things, because you just had a few that you
went through that some of these cuts and why they're
so good. Some of these agencies were so bloated, and
the agendas that they had were far from being what
they originally intended.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
For Yeah, there are thousands of things that are going
on in all of these agencies. You know, NOAH should
really be sticking to weather and weather forecasting, NASA should
be sticking to space exploration and their satellites in orbit,
but they've gotten into all these projects to go after
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climate change.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
And look at that.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Even the US military is another one that's that's has
been way off base, and we could talk about that.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
But the new sector Department of Defense.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Haig seth is is pulling all the climate stuff out
of the military.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
So that's a big change as well.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Let's let's talk of it, because you've in the book,
by the way, the folks want to get this the
green breakdown. This is just kind of scratch as a
surface on some of the things that we might see.
One of the stories we just saw in the news,
and this was about a week or so back, massive
story spanning Portugal, and people talked about the blackout, but
I don't see there's a lot of talk about how
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why it occurred. They just went dark and it This
is very concerning because something like this happens, and we
look at this particularly in Michigan, where they talk about
wanting to use you know, wind and solar solar, particularly
in a state where we get very little sunshine a
lot of months of the year, lots of snow covering
the solar panels. It's a they've got to wonder about this.
(05:02):
But this it looks like some of the reason that
this whole thing happened. This dude, they went dark was
because of their gamble on this green scam.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
Yeah, it really is on the renewables.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
So what happened early the beginning of last week was
sixty million people lost power simultaneously in Portugal and Spain
and in southern France. That was probably the biggest blackout
in history. And they were out for more than twelve hours.
And this was just two weeks after they had celebrated
that the Spain had celebrated they got the one hundred
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percent of their electricity from renewable energy. So two weeks
later they have this massive blackout. They had electric trains
stopped everywhere all over the Iberian peninsula. Thirty five thousand
people were on trains, they stopped them. They were getting
out standing on the side. They were in tunnels, they
were in the mountains. They had people who couldn't use
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the charge car at home, couldn't do it anywhere.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
The internet was out.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
They had long lines at the cash stations so people
could get money. They had backup power at those but
just a terrific thing. So why did this happen? The
reason is that once you put in large amounts of
wind and solar, you end up with a electrical system
that has poor stability. Now, electric power is very special.
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The amount of electricity demanded by the businesses and homes
has to be equal within a few seconds of the
amount of electricity generated for the system, otherwise the system
breaks down. The other thing is that these are the
voltages are very closely controlled in Europe two hundred and
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twenty volts, and the frequency of the alternating current fifty
hertz per second is very slight. It's very sharp, tightly controlled.
If you go up till fifty one hurts or down
to forty nine, or if the voltage drops a little
bit or goes up, these systems starts shutting down and
you have to or you start destroying equipment, machines and
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engines and other things that are hooked up to the
electrical supply. So it has to be closely controlled. Now,
in our traditional systems, coal and natural gas, hydro power.
They're turning these big turbines and if something changes for
a second, it doesn't really change the turbine. The turbine
keeps spinning. So there's a built in stability. But as
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soon as you put in wind and solar and you
get rid of the coal, gas and hydro power, they
can shut off immediately.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
There's no stability at all. And that's what happened in Spain.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
They had a few systems shut down and within about
five seconds the entire thing crashed, the entire electrical system.
So this is another big problem with renewables that people
don't know about. But that's this poor stability.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Yeah, what that does to the society in that in
that scenario when people don't know what to think and
they can't get access to to certain things, I mean,
we can things can evolve rather quickly.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
This is like the end of the world. They were saying,
this is what's gonna happen when the world ends.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
But it is I'll drinking tequila and then nothing will work.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Well, well, that only lasts for a couple of days,
and then when they can't get things or things go sideways.
I mean You're talking about massive issues there, national security
issues as well as so many other things. So Trump's
new executive orders playing a big role. He I said
that this was going to happen, said that, look, this
(08:43):
is if we don't turn things around here, this is
this is this is part of what's what we're going
to see in just the beginning of it.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
We've actually seen we've actually seen outages writing in the
United States. According to data from the US Entergy Department
of Energy, back about ten years ago twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen,
the average outage cumulative outage of electricity for a year
for a US business or citizen was about three and
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a half hours a year. The last three years that's
been running between five and seven hours a year. So
we are our outages are increasing, and it's because we're
putting in these intermittent women solar systems.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Steve Gorm with us right now, of course, the author
of several different books that ask that you go and
grab those definitely going to give you an insight into
some of the things that we're talking about today, but
the things that he's been fighting against and championing for
a long time. In fact, Steve's coming to grant rapids. Shortly,
we're going to get a chance to see him Climate
(09:49):
symposium you're going to want to hear about and of
course the details coming up here in just a little bit.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
But let's talk about Michigan.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Trump's new executive orders and one of the ways that
they want to challenge state some of these wacky laws,
and Michigan is one of those states that that's in
the in really in the crosshairs here.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Yeah, just earlier, well, actually it was early it was
mid last month, mister Trump issued another executive order titled
protecting American Energy from State Overreach, and he basically said
that we have a bunch of state laws now which
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are unconstitutional, they're beyond the boundaries of what the states
should be doing, and they need to be rolled back.
And he directed ham Bondy, the new head of the
Justice Department, to identify those laws and to make recommendations.
And then within the last couple of weeks, the Justice
Department has sued the state of Michigan over climate laws,
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sued the state of Hawaii, sued the State of Vermont,
sued the State of New York. Actually the Michigan law
us right now, the Michigan has talked about putting.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
In laws.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
That are penalized to penalize oil companies, but they really
haven't done that yet, where Vermont and New York have.
But so what's going on is we have let me
take take you to the Vermont law. For example, Vermont, Vermont, Maryland,
and New York are similar. They've passed things called Climate
Superfund Acts. And what they say is that the the
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fuel companies or the fossil fuel companies should be held
responsible for past for products that have been tied to
emissions over the past thirty years. And if you use
gasoline or other fuel, then you emit carbon dioxide. And
they're seeking, in the case of New York, up to
three billion dollars a year from the oil companies. And
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so mister Trump is challenging these, The Justice Department is
challenged challenging these and these laws are on their face unconstitutional.
The Constitution says these laws are past. That says what
you did in the past you now have to pay for.
That's called an expost facto law. And the Constitution in
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a couple places says neither the States or the Congress
can pass a law today over past actions. And that's
exactly what New York and Vermont and Maryland have done,
and so these are going to be knocked down. The
other thing is that these laws talk about emissions that
are beyond the borders of the state. They're across the
United States across the world, which again is beyond the responsibility.
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Air emissions are the responsibility of federal government according to
the Clean Air Act of nineteen seventy and other years.
So these are all going to be struck down. But
this is the first time in history that we've had
the federal government attacking state climate laws. Michigan we'll see,
you know, by the way, the current Michigan law, let
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me see if I can get the name of that.
That's the Michigan Healthy Climate Plan. That probably is not
at risk because that just talks about boosting solar and
doing some other things. But if Michigan goes after the
oil companies, then they'll be facing the Justice Department of
the federal.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Government, as they should. You know.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
One of the things that we've already started to see here,
by the way, Steve in Michigan and throughout In fact,
I just saw this shared moments ago earlier over on
exits prices, price charts you're per CNBC, Holy smokes, prices
going down.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Didn't realize it was going to be this big.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
CNBC saying gas has gone down ten percent, well, tomatoes
eight percent, let us five percent, TVs car truck, wintle
nine percent, dish is in flat where eleven percent. The
list goes on and on. But what what I've noted
is that here in Michigan, I've seen no the price
of barrel of well going down quite a bit too,
but the gas itself at the pump, we're down around
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a three dollars or two ninety nine in that range,
which I think is close to what the national average
is would looking good. Michigan has some weird gas taxes
and things like that that make things a little bit
more expensive at times too, So that's part of it
if you don't see it lining up in some ways.
But I paid two seventy something I think to seventy
two the other day, and I was blown away at
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that price. We're seeing these prices start to move. This
was part of the idea of Drill, Baby, Drill, let's
get back into that energy independence lane, and everything is
starting to move.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
Yeah, we can talk about tariffs too as well.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
A lot of people have said those are going to
cause inflation, but there's a couple of things going to happen.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
We do have energy prices.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Falling or flat, as you say, that's a big component
of what consumers pay. The food prices as well. If
you know, if we can't export food to China and
other places, it's going to lower the prices of the food.
It's going to hurt farmers some, but it's it's going
to lower food prices in the US, so that's gonna
come down as well. The other thing is that we
should have interest rates coming down. So if you have
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a fuel, food and housing coming down, you're not going
to have inflation generally. The things that may go up
are you know, toys and electronic goods and other things
that come from Asia. But but overall, probably not gonna
see a lot of inflation.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Yeah, you know, that's interested tariff talking.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
There's just a number of things that can have We
just saw a deal done the other day with the UK,
but these these things is kind of a mixed bag
and watching it all kind of play out and how
people are reacting so far though, it's been pretty uh
pretty I think pretty positive.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
In fact, Steve, just last.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Week I noted the headline was that the Trump the
tariffs and Trump tariffs are working so well that even
the new pump is the Bope is made in America.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Well, yeah, we can talk about tariffs if you want
a little bit. So, so here's the basic story. Uh,
the trumpet minister to post impost ten percent tariffs on
all imported goods globally, and then twenty five percent on automobiles,
aluminum steel, and then they also wanted to have and
those are global numbers, and they wanted to have reciprocal
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tariffs on every other nation. And those are the things
that would be very big. Those have been postponed for
ninety days. And there are now almost there's something like
one hundred and seventy nations that are trying to negotiate
with the Trump administration to uh to reduce those tariffs
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and come to something that's that's equivalent. China, of course,
is a big outlier. US now is one hundred and
forty five percent tariffs on imported goods from China. China
has opposed one hundred and twenty five percent on US.
They're they're kind of so we have a little tear
four going on. But you know this is going to
have a big impact on green energy because about eighty
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percent of the solar panels that are installed the United
States either come directly from China or they use Chinese components.
Car batteries for EVS, materials for batteries are also things
that come largely from China. So you know that's going
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to have a big impact on the guys installing solar
panels and the prices of those in car electric cars
as well. So again another another thing that's going to
hammer green energy.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Steve, what can you weigh in on some of the
things that I've heard about, you know, solar panels and
also some of the big win installations. There's quite a
bit of an environmental impact on these things. We're told
that they're green and they're environmentally friendly, but there's lots
of toxic chemicals that go into making those panels. It
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takes oil to run the windmills, and we know that
they can ill birds. These are all just things that
kind of are Yeah, a lot of times these climate
folks just don't they don't really talk about they're inconvenient
truth for them. They don't really want to share about that,
and then add on top of that here in Michigan
that they're trying to cut down, you know, hundreds of
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acres of forests and trees to put these these these
solar panel installations in. It's it's kind of interesting.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Yeah, in Scotland they cut down more than ten million
trees to put in a bunch of wind turbans.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
I mean, yeah, it's.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Really kind of crazy. And we've kind of shifted things
that people are so afraid of carbon dioxide, which they
shouldn't be, which and emissions of carbon dioxide, which is
blamed for man made global warming, and they're ignoring the
other pollution issues, as you say, the waste and those
sorts of things. There's there's just vast amounts of waste
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from wind turbines. For example, they were out after about
twenty or twenty five years. I have a great picture
in Green Breakdown of came from a New York state
representative and he's standing in front of this pile of
used wind turbans which is forty or fifty feet high.
It's just monstrous, and he's just a little tiny guy
in there. And we have issues. For example, in Iowa,
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they can't bring them to landfills, so they're shipping them
to Nebraska and Kansas to be landfilled. Europe cuts up
their wind turbines and then burns them. I don't know
how that reduces CO two emissions. And you can't really
recycle these things. They're very expensive. For example, solar cells
solar panels are now wearing out in California because they've
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been there fifteen twenty years, and it costs, according to
federal figures, about twenty to twenty five dollars to recycle
each wind turbine panel, and you only get four dollars
worth of materials from it, and if you send it
to a landfill, it costs one or two dollars. So
you know, nobody's going to do this without vass government subsidies.
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It's just there's other other waste issues. By the way,
evs are a similar sort of thing. The International Energy
Agency points out that we have each electric car has
about six times the metals of a gasoline car, and
those are lithium and cobalt, and all sorts of different copper,
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all sorts of different metals, and these things, by and
large our mind in developing nations. An example is cobalt.
The biggest producer cobalt in the world is the Democratic
Republic of Congo, and it's well known that they use
child labor and forced labor to get the ore out
of the hills, and then they ship that cobalt ore
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to China where it's refined in the metals. And China
has polluted vast areas. There's one called Rare Earth Lake
where I haven't been there, but as far as you
see in pictures, the land has been polluted from metal refining.
And then they put those metals in the battery and
they come to the US and everybody says, wow, my
ev is you know, so environmentally friendly.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
But all over the world you.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Have all these issues that are going on that you
really don't see.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Yeah, those batteries, some of the pictures I've seen too
of the massive gaping holes in the earth, and of
course you hear about the toxic nature of it. There's
some slave labor used to produce some of those things.
And to me, look, if you want to go green,
if you want to get an ev fine, But to
be thought that we had to whitewash at all and
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not be real about what is being produced and how
it's being produced. I just think it's disingenuous and also
don't like the fact that we've been forced you know
here in Michigan, and you know, the auto industry has
completely been turned upside down. They've lost tons of money
on these evs. People just don't want them, and that's
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a big part. I think what played into electing President
Trump is the folks in the industry saw this the
writing on the wall, and they were being pushed towards us,
and I think it played a big role.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Yeah, that's that's the big problem, is the forced issue.
You know, EV's are okay, and they could be inexpensive
if you can charge it home and you drive short distances.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
But you know, the the idea.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
That we we're going to stop the oceans from rising
if we all buy an ev that is just that's
modern superstition.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
And unfortunately, we have many.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
States trying to force uh gasoline cars to be eliminated
and everybody to go to EV's. And by by the way,
the e p A is now stopping that, and mister
Trump is stopping that, and so those mandates are going
to disappear, I think, which is good.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
I mean, people ought to buy the car they want
to drive. They want to buy.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
EV's are going to get better and better, But don't
think that we're going to change global temperatures if we
all drive an EV.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Yeah, that's more common.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Since we've seen a little bit of a return to truth,
logic and common sense here in those In those recent days,
Steve gorm Our guest by the Way, guest and author
of Green Breakdown, The Coming Renewable Energy Failure, amongst others
some other great books. Got a bit of a symposium,
Grand Rapids Climate Symposium coming up here in days. Let's
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talk a little bit about that and what what folks
can expect if they want to come out and see
you in person.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Yeah, that's Friday, May twenty third in Grand Rapids at
the gr Let's see gr Church and gr dot Church,
a Pastor Calbeisner. I'm sorry I say I should say
doctor Calbeiser of the Cornwall Alliance and I will be there.
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Will be there for more than three hours, both presenting
on climate change and renewable energy. There is a fee,
but please come up to Western Michigan. We can shake hands.
We'll have some books you can take a look at
as well, and it'll just be a great discussion about
it's titled climate change factor Fantasy, and we'll be there
(24:00):
and trying to meet all the folks that want to
come by and talk about the issues.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Yeah, I love that as folks look to maybe come
at it and check out. It's always great to meet
with other people, get a chance to see.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
You're not allowed and all of this.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
And you know, and a lot of us are have
been made to feel like over the last two years
that you know, the common sense isn't as common as
it used to be. And I think that there's maybe
some truth to that, but I think it's a lot
more common that we're led to believe we're constantly being
bombarded with propaganda that makes us feel like like it's otherwise.
But a lot of those questions that you might have,
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in fact, any any inconvenient data points that you're going
to drop on stage for folks there to awake some
of these these people up who are all in on
the green new scam.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Well, we'll just have to see what we're putting together.
But you know, we're going to talk about about the
idea that carbonoxide is a pollutant, which is very, very foolish.
You know, we each it's an orderless, harmless and visible gas.
Every person on Earth exhales about two pounds of carbon
dioxide a day. We burn sugars in our body and
we create it. And you know, if you go back
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to eighth grade chemistry, the equation for combustion is fuel
plus oxygen plus heat equals carbon dioxide plus water vapor,
And water vapor actually is is Earth's biggest greenhouse gas.
So if we call carbon dioxide a pollutant because it's
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emitted by our industry from combustion and it enhances the
greenhouse effect, and we ought to call water vapor a
pollutant as well, because it's emitted whenever you burn methane,
and it's the biggest greenhouse gas. I mean, it's just
very illogical. And and yet we have the world driving
to eliminate two emissions when we should be doing stuff
(25:54):
about water pollution, plastic in the ocean, is a lot
of other real issues and not co two.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Steve gorm with us right now, got to ask a
couple of other things before we let you go. There's
a you know, you just talked about a little bit
of it about the military and really national security when
it comes to some of these issues. Secretary events there,
Pete Hagseeth and the Pentagon have made the point that
we should be fighting wars, not whether with the military.
(26:27):
I want to talk about because I don't think people
realize there's at one point and Trump has talked about
they wanted to make electric tanks, and I guess you
just ask everybody stop fighting on the battlefield. Let me
get my solar panels out or plug in and charge somewhere.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Yes, you have to have a long extension cord with
you wherever you go. But I can't imagine this.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Idea that was pushed, this ideology and how much really
it permeated so many different areas.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Just nonsensical.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Yeah, this has been going on for about fifteen years now.
In our new second Pcretary of the Department Offense, Pete
hag Seth says the DoD does not use it does
not do climate change, and I'll use the word stuff.
He says, we do training and war fighting. But this
has been going on for fifteen years. The Department of
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Defense is the biggest institutional user of petroleum fuel in
the world, for about five billion gallons of fuel every
year and back in two thousand and eleven, under President
of Barack Obama, then US Secretary of the Navy, Ray
Mabis said that by no later than twenty twenty, at
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least half of the energy that the Navy uses, both
afloat and the shore will come from non fossil fuel sources.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
And he called this the Great Green Fleet.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
And so the idea here was to take biofuels and
get all of our ships that didn't have reactors like
the carriers do, all of our other ships to run biofuels.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
But they find they had all kinds of problems. It
was it was.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
About seven times as expensive as as a diesel fuel.
And then when they went overseas, there were no ports
that had biofuels. And so instead of fifty percent of
it and he wanted fifty percent of our fuel by
twenty twenty, it turned out to be less than one
percent by twenty twenty three. Yet the Navy spent almost
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one hundred billion dollars on this and a lot of
other efforts in taxpayer money trying to go green. And then,
as you say, the Army, similarly, under President Biden, had
plans to run all field vehicles on electric power, even
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the tanks, and they had plans for battlefield chargers they
were going to put out there. I mean, this is
just looney, no military value at all. And listen to
these by the way, this is these programs from the
US Navy. You know how dogs has uncovered all of
these these crazy programs.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
The Navy had one on UH working with the government
of Vietnam to study climate change in the Mekong Delta.
Now tell me how that helps, how that helps Navy readiness.
They had another one on UH on recycling and using
biofuels in California. You know, it's just just vast amounts
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of weights. Anyway, Heigseeth is cutting that out and we're
getting back to military issues.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Yeah, this is a definite national security issue. And you
break this down and you start I got to ask
about this being in a national security and I stand
to recall hearing something about this not too long ago.
Steve Gordon with this right now, talking about the Grand
Rapids Climate Symposium that's coming out here shortly. Author of
a Green Breakdown, The Coming Renewable Energy Failure, and many
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other books on this topic. The subject just the initial
Strategic Reserve Biden drained it. Apparently, report came out the
other day. He drained it near the election to get
gas prices to come down so that you would forget
about all the insanity the things that he'd been doing
that made our prices go up. And they said apparently
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they drained it so much and so quickly that there
was damage to the system. Have you heard any updates
on how much we've been able to replenish and what
work they've been able to do to improve that.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Well, I think they're trying to restore it to They're
trying to restore the reserve, put more patrolling back in there.
The prices have come down from seventy to eighty dollars
a barrel to I think it's under sixty dollars a
barrel now, but I really haven't. I'm not up on
what they're doing to try and save the Reserve, but
I know mister Trump thinks that is something we need
to do. In the Department of Defense thinks it's something
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we need to maintain. But yeah, that was what mister
Biden did was purely political to get prices down and
really wasn't looking at the good of the country and
the strategic value of the reserve.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Steve.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
One other piece that is continuing in this fight happens
to be people waking up in places all across the country.
In fact, not far from here in the Green Charter
Township in a little town here, Big Rapids is where
it's near Pacosta County. They've been finding against what's called Goshen,
which is a Chinese Communist Party linked battery company. They're
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going to be producing, they'd like to it batteries here
at this plant for electric vehicles. Now, the township, the
folks there have gotten involved. They were called the township
board largely was Republicans. There were these deals that were
made behind the scenes. Our governor Gretchen Webmer, Democrat, had
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gone around giving out money when she ran in twenty
twenty two and pushed this effort as a way to
create jobs, and they were going to bring this in.
It's a lot of this is just pure corruption we've
found now. But the folks have fought back in this instance.
Marshall is another place here in Michigan where they're fighting
back against to believe it's a Ford cattle plant that
they wanted to put a battery production. In my question
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for you on this is we're seeing this and it's
not just here, but it seems to like it's a
woke of a giant. These these folks, small town revolts
are blocking you know, everything for these battery plants to
win farms from Michigan, do Maine. And I got a
wonder Uh, we've even seen this in Illinois too close,
a little close to us here in in this this
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whole revolt, this rebellion. Are we watching a real grassroots
rebellion take place here against these top, ground down sort
of green mandates. Is there something real happening here? And
what do you what do you see? Is that who
gets the cross? Is this the people just waking up
on this nonsense? And and when we continue to see.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
That there is there is a trend of a rising
tide of opposition across the country to wind and solar.
Some examples right now is in Oklahoma, which is like
the second or third biggest wind state in the country,
there are now bills in their state legislature to stop
eminent domain, which is where the wind these wind farms
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go and take your land. Stop eminent domain for wind
and solar. In Arizona, the legislature is considering a bill
that would ban ninety percent of state land from wind turbans.
Back in two thousand and eight, we had only two
counties in the United States that had restrictions on wind turbans.
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Now it's over five hundred counties that restrict wind turbans,
and so we have this rising tide of opposition. And
one of the big reasons We've talked about the waste already,
but another big reason is that wind and solar use
huge amounts of land. A guy by the name of
Vaklov Smill has written a whole book on this where
he looked at all of the land footprints of electrical
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power sources and he counted everything. He counted mines and
waste pits and pipelines. But he found that that natural gas,
nuclear and coal on a relative scale, used about one
unit of land to produce one unit of electricity, and
solo uses over one hundred units of land to produce
that same one unit of electricity.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
Wind up to eight hundred units of land to do it.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
And so people are saying, hey, you know, I don't
want these things all over blocking our land and doing whatever,
and having the waste issue Now, as you mentioned in Michigan,
one of the one of the issues in both Michigan
and Illinois is that the.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
State governments are overruling what people want to do in
the local governments.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
In Illinois, we had about twenty five counties roughly half
the state, that passed laws against wind turbines, and the
state government said we're going to We're just going to
override all those laws. And we're seeing some of that
in Michigan as well. So but we see more and
more people that are saying, hey, you know, we don't
want all this stuff here. We don't want our land
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taken up by the east. And so again it's another
kind of an issue that says, you know, we're not
going to get to fifty or one hundred percent wind
or solar despite what the goals are in a lot
of these states.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
You know, I love to see the pushback. I think
people are waking up.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
A large part it's, you know, folks like you have
been doing the work to educate people, to share with
them what they're facing. And by the way, the book,
we got a lot of optimism right now. President Trump
and I want to paint two different pictures because in
the book. You paint a I think a picture of
a reality that would have certainly and inevitably come true
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had Kamala Harris won. We're on a completely different path now.
Whether we can stay on that, keep that trajectory or not,
it's a whole different I guess well, Wax, But let
me ask you when it comes to your book and
that bleak picture, it's just so people can understand how
important not only you know that election was, but the
election in twenty six, twenty eight, and beyond it, even
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what we're doing today, how important that is and why
it matters.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
Well it is see under the Bible under and the
book talks about this drive for net zero by twenty
fifty nets. There is the idea that we ought to
get away from coal and gas and oil and try
to get to renewables, wind, solar and bio fuels and
one hundred percent of our energy by twenty fifty. But
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that's beyond a reach out goal. That's an impossibility. It's
not going to occur. And all these green programs do
about four things. They raise the price of electricity and
other energy. They take away people's freedom to buy an
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electric car or keep a gas stove in their home.
They cause electrical blackouts like we've seen in Spain and
Portugal recently. And these energy shocks come up, multinational energy shocks.
People are going to demand or turn to green energy.
I'm sorry, I returned to a regular energy, not away
from green. We see a lot in Europe right now
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is kind of falling down on this as well. In
England they now have they're talking at they're talking that
stupid zero is one of the phrases that's being used.
In Germany, the second largest party in Germany now has
a plank that would ban wind turbines in Germany and
winter and Germany and Germany has the most wind turbans
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of any nation in Europe. So we're seeing a rising
tide around the world to get away from UH and
to kind of tone down green energy. We're going to
get back to sensible energy policy. And that's what the
book Green Breakdown is about.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
I encourage you to check it out because obviously it's
going to give you a picture that that I think
will you know, at a lot of us right now,
you may feel like things are great trumps in charts,
but again he's got four years and really a little
less than two years essentially to make a massive impact.
And we got to get Congress to get in line
here to go along with a lot of these things
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to make sure that we not only remain on this path,
but that we continue for the years to come. It's
got to be very important. Steve Cooks will get the book.
What's the best way for them to do that?
Speaker 3 (38:19):
Well, they can come to the Climate Symposium on May
twenty third in Grand Rapids at the gr Church. I
will have all of my four books there. They can
pick up a signed copy if they want. If they
can't do that, they could go to my website Steve
gorhum g R e h a m dot com and
buy a book or two and I'll mail them sign copies.
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By the way, these are fun books to the last
three including Green Breakdown, our colored paperbacks, and they have
one hundred and fifty color sidebars which are real headlines
like this crazy one. This is from the Miami New Times.
Global Warming makes couples cheats as eating website, So so
you now have an excuse for your spouse. Global warming
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made me do it, you know. But so they're fun
as well as providing the science and the economics but
they can also get ebooks. They're on Amazon as well.
But by the way, I have a great book called
The Mad, Mad Mad World of Climatism. If you have
kids in school from eighth grade about and older, they're
getting a very one sided story about the climate.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
So get that book.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
It's got one of the polar bears in the it's
sitting in the masa on the cover, and and it'll
give them a balanced story about what's going on.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
Steve Garam is one of our favorite when it comes
to climate discussions, guests that we always enjoy having on.
Steve is going to be here in our own backyard again,
a great opportunity to get out and meet him, the
man that you get to hear on the radio quite
a bit, and have those conversations in detail. At the
climates Impost. We'll get the details put to make sure
(40:02):
they're in the show notes for folks today too. Steve,
anything in closing here that we want to make sure
that we hit on, or that you'd like to include
before we wrap up, because I there's just so much
it's hard to stay on top of it all.
Speaker 4 (40:15):
Sometimes very big topics.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
I would just say the proper thing for the nation,
and for people to do is to first concentrate on
real pollution. We have a situation right now today where
about eighty percent of the world's wastewater is dumped into rivers, lakes,
and streams. That doesn't happen in the United States or Europe.
But if you remember seven or eight years ago, we
(40:39):
had swimmers down in Brazil didn't want to swim in
the water. This was at the Olympics. Yes, because Brazil's
just building their first water treatment plants. You can also
go to YouTube and Punch in India and garbage and
River and see this video where they're just driving garbage
trucks up on a bridge and just umping them into
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a river. And it's not one truck, it's truck after
truck after truck. And this is how we get all
the plastic in the ocean. So that's another thing we
need to clean up. But the second factor is that
we as far as climate change, the only sensible policy
is to adapt like Netherlands has done for hundreds of years.
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They build sea walls, they build islands, they adapt to
rizing oceans. There's no way we can stop rising oceans
with solar cells or electric vehicles. The proper course of
action is to adapt and to continue to use low
cost energy to help our societies grow.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
I think what we're looking at here is a you know,
we've often heard President Trump talk about this as the
new Golden Air. So I don't know that we're there yet,
but we certainly have the opportunity for that to take place.
And I think both not only have low cost on
all these these types of energy, but also at the
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same time make sure things are in fact better for
the environment. And we're taking a good charge to make
sure that we're doing that big good stewards. But it
starts really with being honest about the things that are
really happening behind the scenes and let people really be
informed on these things, and then that way they can
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make better decisions.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
And that's just what you're doing.
Speaker 4 (42:28):
Well, we try to do that. You know.
Speaker 3 (42:30):
I'm just an engineer and a researcher, and I read
this stuff. But I've been doing this for ten or
fifteen years now and written four books. And mankind's going
to come around and back to sensible policies. There really
is no alternative. The science and economics are going to
win out, and again we can shake hands May twenty third,
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if you have time, come to the gr Church and
Grand Rapids the Climate sympose you there. Myself and doctor
kel Bisner or the Court All Alliance will be there,
will be there for three hours talking. We're happy to
be challenged, happy to have a little bit of a debate.
So if you got a chance that Friday evening, head
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Speaker 1 (43:14):
Well, make sure we get the information online for folks
to be able to be a part of it. Looks
like a great opportunity to you. Our church great place
to watch that and to enjoy any event. Steve, always
a pleasure. We'll have you back on soon, I'm sure,
and dig into more of these conversations as they continue
to be a breaking news interest on the daily.
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Speaker 1 (00:15):
Yeah, the green pipe dream is flickering, and Steve Gorham
is here to tell us why the lights are about
to go out. From rolling blackouts in Spain and Portugal
to President Trump's new executive order body slamming state climate loss.
Looking at you, Michigan, Steve unpacks the damo's already tipping
(00:35):
and we'll hit the looming Grand Rapids Climate Symposium as well.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Strap in.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
This is a crash course on the coming renewable energy breakdown,
and Steve has it all. In fact, let's start with
President Trump and the latest Steve.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
So it's major, major changes in place. A lot of
this isn't in the press, but it's happening every single day.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
I love seeing this, I love hearing a matter of fact,
when I saw that director of the EPA was going
to be lee Z Eldon, I thought to myself, here
we go, return to common sense, and we're seeing that,
as you mentioned, a lot of these things aren't front
page headlines because there's so many things that are happening,
and the left or the climate change regimes, some of
(01:17):
these wackos out there have been so overwhelmed with some
of the things, which they think is a fantastic strategy,
that they just really haven't been able to keep up
with it all, have they.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
No it is remarkable. On the twentieth of January, mister
Trump came in and issued a lot of executive orders,
and part of those orders was to basically roll back
the climate regime regime, a roll back the Green New Deal,
roll back green energy.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
On that day he stopped all offshore wind leases.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
We have about eighty or nine states on the East
coast and then Oregon, California on the west coast. They
want to build wind turbines everywhere, but to build a
wind turbine offshore, you have to have a license from
the federal government. The US owns the land from three
mile out to two hundred miles out, and he has shut.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
All those down.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
We have tremendous changes to US climate policy and staffing
at NOAH, at NASA, at the Federal Energy Management Agency
at the EPA, and so there's just huge things going on.
Matter of fact, the climate models may even be challenged.
(02:28):
The climate models are really the have been the core
of a climate alarm over the last thirty years, predicting.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
All kinds of things.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
But now mister Trump is cutting Noah's budget. I'm scary.
Cutting NASA's budget the Space Agency by fifty percent in
fiscal year twenty twenty six. That's the plan still has
to be approved by Congress. And he may want them
to stick to space exploration that's really amazing instead of
climate stuff. But they've got some of the climate models.
(03:00):
They may not have money to run NOAH. The same
way they're getting a twenty seven percent cup. The Department
of Energy is getting a big cuts. So these are big,
big changes and just going to stop the US climate
policy climate model efforts.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
In their tracks, I love saying it.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Why don't you break down if you can some of
those things, because you just had a few that you
went through that some of these cuts and why they're
so good. Some of these agencies were so bloated, and
the agendas that they had were far from being what
they originally intended.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
For Yeah, there are thousands of things that are going
on in all of these agencies. You know, NOAH should
really be sticking to weather and weather forecasting, NASA should
be sticking to space exploration and their satellites in orbit,
but they've gotten into all these projects to go after
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climate change.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
And look at that.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Even the US military is another one that's that's has
been way off base, and we could talk about that.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
But the new sector Department of Defense.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Haig seth is is pulling all the climate stuff out
of the military.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
So that's a big change as well.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Let's let's talk of it, because you've in the book,
by the way, the folks want to get this the
green breakdown. This is just kind of scratch as a
surface on some of the things that we might see.
One of the stories we just saw in the news,
and this was about a week or so back, massive
story spanning Portugal, and people talked about the blackout, but
I don't see there's a lot of talk about how
(04:39):
why it occurred. They just went dark and it This
is very concerning because something like this happens, and we
look at this particularly in Michigan, where they talk about
wanting to use you know, wind and solar solar, particularly
in a state where we get very little sunshine a
lot of months of the year, lots of snow covering
the solar panels. It's a they've got to wonder about this.
(05:02):
But this it looks like some of the reason that
this whole thing happened. This dude, they went dark was
because of their gamble on this green scam.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
Yeah, it really is on the renewables.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
So what happened early the beginning of last week was
sixty million people lost power simultaneously in Portugal and Spain
and in southern France. That was probably the biggest blackout
in history. And they were out for more than twelve hours.
And this was just two weeks after they had celebrated
that the Spain had celebrated they got the one hundred
(05:36):
percent of their electricity from renewable energy. So two weeks
later they have this massive blackout. They had electric trains
stopped everywhere all over the Iberian peninsula. Thirty five thousand
people were on trains, they stopped them. They were getting
out standing on the side. They were in tunnels, they
were in the mountains. They had people who couldn't use
(05:59):
the charge car at home, couldn't do it anywhere.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
The internet was out.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
They had long lines at the cash stations so people
could get money. They had backup power at those but
just a terrific thing. So why did this happen? The
reason is that once you put in large amounts of
wind and solar, you end up with a electrical system
that has poor stability. Now, electric power is very special.
(06:26):
The amount of electricity demanded by the businesses and homes
has to be equal within a few seconds of the
amount of electricity generated for the system, otherwise the system
breaks down. The other thing is that these are the
voltages are very closely controlled in Europe two hundred and
(06:46):
twenty volts, and the frequency of the alternating current fifty
hertz per second is very slight. It's very sharp, tightly controlled.
If you go up till fifty one hurts or down
to forty nine, or if the voltage drops a little
bit or goes up, these systems starts shutting down and
you have to or you start destroying equipment, machines and
(07:08):
engines and other things that are hooked up to the
electrical supply. So it has to be closely controlled. Now,
in our traditional systems, coal and natural gas, hydro power.
They're turning these big turbines and if something changes for
a second, it doesn't really change the turbine. The turbine
keeps spinning. So there's a built in stability. But as
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soon as you put in wind and solar and you
get rid of the coal, gas and hydro power, they
can shut off immediately.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
There's no stability at all. And that's what happened in Spain.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
They had a few systems shut down and within about
five seconds the entire thing crashed, the entire electrical system.
So this is another big problem with renewables that people
don't know about. But that's this poor stability.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Yeah, what that does to the society in that in
that scenario when people don't know what to think and
they can't get access to to certain things, I mean,
we can things can evolve rather quickly.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
This is like the end of the world. They were saying,
this is what's gonna happen when the world ends.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
But it is I'll drinking tequila and then nothing will work.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Well, well, that only lasts for a couple of days,
and then when they can't get things or things go sideways.
I mean You're talking about massive issues there, national security
issues as well as so many other things. So Trump's
new executive orders playing a big role. He I said
that this was going to happen, said that, look, this
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is if we don't turn things around here, this is
this is this is part of what's what we're going
to see in just the beginning of it.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
We've actually seen we've actually seen outages writing in the
United States. According to data from the US Entergy Department
of Energy, back about ten years ago twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen,
the average outage cumulative outage of electricity for a year
for a US business or citizen was about three and
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a half hours a year. The last three years that's
been running between five and seven hours a year. So
we are our outages are increasing, and it's because we're
putting in these intermittent women solar systems.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Steve Gorm with us right now, of course, the author
of several different books that ask that you go and
grab those definitely going to give you an insight into
some of the things that we're talking about today, but
the things that he's been fighting against and championing for
a long time. In fact, Steve's coming to grant rapids. Shortly,
we're going to get a chance to see him Climate
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symposium you're going to want to hear about and of
course the details coming up here in just a little bit.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
But let's talk about Michigan.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Trump's new executive orders and one of the ways that
they want to challenge state some of these wacky laws,
and Michigan is one of those states that that's in
the in really in the crosshairs here.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Yeah, just earlier, well, actually it was early it was
mid last month, mister Trump issued another executive order titled
protecting American Energy from State Overreach, and he basically said
that we have a bunch of state laws now which
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are unconstitutional, they're beyond the boundaries of what the states
should be doing, and they need to be rolled back.
And he directed ham Bondy, the new head of the
Justice Department, to identify those laws and to make recommendations.
And then within the last couple of weeks, the Justice
Department has sued the state of Michigan over climate laws,
(10:52):
sued the state of Hawaii, sued the State of Vermont,
sued the State of New York. Actually the Michigan law
us right now, the Michigan has talked about putting.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
In laws.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
That are penalized to penalize oil companies, but they really
haven't done that yet, where Vermont and New York have.
But so what's going on is we have let me
take take you to the Vermont law. For example, Vermont, Vermont, Maryland,
and New York are similar. They've passed things called Climate
Superfund Acts. And what they say is that the the
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fuel companies or the fossil fuel companies should be held
responsible for past for products that have been tied to
emissions over the past thirty years. And if you use
gasoline or other fuel, then you emit carbon dioxide. And
they're seeking, in the case of New York, up to
three billion dollars a year from the oil companies. And
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so mister Trump is challenging these, The Justice Department is
challenged challenging these and these laws are on their face unconstitutional.
The Constitution says these laws are past. That says what
you did in the past you now have to pay for.
That's called an expost facto law. And the Constitution in
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a couple places says neither the States or the Congress
can pass a law today over past actions. And that's
exactly what New York and Vermont and Maryland have done,
and so these are going to be knocked down. The
other thing is that these laws talk about emissions that
are beyond the borders of the state. They're across the
United States across the world, which again is beyond the responsibility.
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Air emissions are the responsibility of federal government according to
the Clean Air Act of nineteen seventy and other years.
So these are all going to be struck down. But
this is the first time in history that we've had
the federal government attacking state climate laws. Michigan we'll see,
you know, by the way, the current Michigan law, let
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me see if I can get the name of that.
That's the Michigan Healthy Climate Plan. That probably is not
at risk because that just talks about boosting solar and
doing some other things. But if Michigan goes after the
oil companies, then they'll be facing the Justice Department of
the federal.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Government, as they should. You know.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
One of the things that we've already started to see here,
by the way, Steve in Michigan and throughout In fact,
I just saw this shared moments ago earlier over on
exits prices, price charts you're per CNBC, Holy smokes, prices
going down.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Didn't realize it was going to be this big.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
CNBC saying gas has gone down ten percent, well, tomatoes
eight percent, let us five percent, TVs car truck, wintle
nine percent, dish is in flat where eleven percent. The
list goes on and on. But what what I've noted
is that here in Michigan, I've seen no the price
of barrel of well going down quite a bit too,
but the gas itself at the pump, we're down around
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a three dollars or two ninety nine in that range,
which I think is close to what the national average
is would looking good. Michigan has some weird gas taxes
and things like that that make things a little bit
more expensive at times too, So that's part of it
if you don't see it lining up in some ways.
But I paid two seventy something I think to seventy
two the other day, and I was blown away at
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that price. We're seeing these prices start to move. This
was part of the idea of Drill, Baby, Drill, let's
get back into that energy independence lane, and everything is
starting to move.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
Yeah, we can talk about tariffs too as well.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
A lot of people have said those are going to
cause inflation, but there's a couple of things going to happen.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
We do have energy prices.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Falling or flat, as you say, that's a big component
of what consumers pay. The food prices as well. If
you know, if we can't export food to China and
other places, it's going to lower the prices of the food.
It's going to hurt farmers some, but it's it's going
to lower food prices in the US, so that's gonna
come down as well. The other thing is that we
should have interest rates coming down. So if you have
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a fuel, food and housing coming down, you're not going
to have inflation generally. The things that may go up
are you know, toys and electronic goods and other things
that come from Asia. But but overall, probably not gonna
see a lot of inflation.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Yeah, you know, that's interested tariff talking.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
There's just a number of things that can have We
just saw a deal done the other day with the UK,
but these these things is kind of a mixed bag
and watching it all kind of play out and how
people are reacting so far though, it's been pretty uh
pretty I think pretty positive.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
In fact, Steve, just last.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Week I noted the headline was that the Trump the
tariffs and Trump tariffs are working so well that even
the new pump is the Bope is made in America.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Well, yeah, we can talk about tariffs if you want
a little bit. So, so here's the basic story. Uh,
the trumpet minister to post impost ten percent tariffs on
all imported goods globally, and then twenty five percent on automobiles,
aluminum steel, and then they also wanted to have and
those are global numbers, and they wanted to have reciprocal
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tariffs on every other nation. And those are the things
that would be very big. Those have been postponed for
ninety days. And there are now almost there's something like
one hundred and seventy nations that are trying to negotiate
with the Trump administration to uh to reduce those tariffs
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and come to something that's that's equivalent. China, of course,
is a big outlier. US now is one hundred and
forty five percent tariffs on imported goods from China. China
has opposed one hundred and twenty five percent on US.
They're they're kind of so we have a little tear
four going on. But you know this is going to
have a big impact on green energy because about eighty
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percent of the solar panels that are installed the United
States either come directly from China or they use Chinese components.
Car batteries for EVS, materials for batteries are also things
that come largely from China. So you know that's going
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to have a big impact on the guys installing solar
panels and the prices of those in car electric cars
as well. So again another another thing that's going to
hammer green energy.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Steve, what can you weigh in on some of the
things that I've heard about, you know, solar panels and
also some of the big win installations. There's quite a
bit of an environmental impact on these things. We're told
that they're green and they're environmentally friendly, but there's lots
of toxic chemicals that go into making those panels. It
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takes oil to run the windmills, and we know that
they can ill birds. These are all just things that
kind of are Yeah, a lot of times these climate
folks just don't they don't really talk about they're inconvenient
truth for them. They don't really want to share about that,
and then add on top of that here in Michigan
that they're trying to cut down, you know, hundreds of
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acres of forests and trees to put these these these
solar panel installations in. It's it's kind of interesting.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Yeah, in Scotland they cut down more than ten million
trees to put in a bunch of wind turbans.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
I mean, yeah, it's.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Really kind of crazy. And we've kind of shifted things
that people are so afraid of carbon dioxide, which they
shouldn't be, which and emissions of carbon dioxide, which is
blamed for man made global warming, and they're ignoring the
other pollution issues, as you say, the waste and those
sorts of things. There's there's just vast amounts of waste
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from wind turbines. For example, they were out after about
twenty or twenty five years. I have a great picture
in Green Breakdown of came from a New York state
representative and he's standing in front of this pile of
used wind turbans which is forty or fifty feet high.
It's just monstrous, and he's just a little tiny guy
in there. And we have issues. For example, in Iowa,
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they can't bring them to landfills, so they're shipping them
to Nebraska and Kansas to be landfilled. Europe cuts up
their wind turbines and then burns them. I don't know
how that reduces CO two emissions. And you can't really
recycle these things. They're very expensive. For example, solar cells
solar panels are now wearing out in California because they've
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been there fifteen twenty years, and it costs, according to
federal figures, about twenty to twenty five dollars to recycle
each wind turbine panel, and you only get four dollars
worth of materials from it, and if you send it
to a landfill, it costs one or two dollars. So
you know, nobody's going to do this without vass government subsidies.
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It's just there's other other waste issues. By the way,
evs are a similar sort of thing. The International Energy
Agency points out that we have each electric car has
about six times the metals of a gasoline car, and
those are lithium and cobalt, and all sorts of different copper,
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all sorts of different metals, and these things, by and
large our mind in developing nations. An example is cobalt.
The biggest producer cobalt in the world is the Democratic
Republic of Congo, and it's well known that they use
child labor and forced labor to get the ore out
of the hills, and then they ship that cobalt ore
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to China where it's refined in the metals. And China
has polluted vast areas. There's one called Rare Earth Lake
where I haven't been there, but as far as you
see in pictures, the land has been polluted from metal refining.
And then they put those metals in the battery and
they come to the US and everybody says, wow, my
ev is you know, so environmentally friendly.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
But all over the world you.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Have all these issues that are going on that you
really don't see.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Yeah, those batteries, some of the pictures I've seen too
of the massive gaping holes in the earth, and of
course you hear about the toxic nature of it. There's
some slave labor used to produce some of those things.
And to me, look, if you want to go green,
if you want to get an ev fine, But to
be thought that we had to whitewash at all and
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not be real about what is being produced and how
it's being produced. I just think it's disingenuous and also
don't like the fact that we've been forced you know
here in Michigan, and you know, the auto industry has
completely been turned upside down. They've lost tons of money
on these evs. People just don't want them, and that's
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a big part. I think what played into electing President
Trump is the folks in the industry saw this the
writing on the wall, and they were being pushed towards us,
and I think it played a big role.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Yeah, that's that's the big problem, is the forced issue.
You know, EV's are okay, and they could be inexpensive
if you can charge it home and you drive short distances.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
But you know, the the idea.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
That we we're going to stop the oceans from rising
if we all buy an ev that is just that's
modern superstition.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
And unfortunately, we have many.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
States trying to force uh gasoline cars to be eliminated
and everybody to go to EV's. And by by the way,
the e p A is now stopping that, and mister
Trump is stopping that, and so those mandates are going
to disappear, I think, which is good.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
I mean, people ought to buy the car they want
to drive. They want to buy.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
EV's are going to get better and better, But don't
think that we're going to change global temperatures if we
all drive an EV.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Yeah, that's more common.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Since we've seen a little bit of a return to truth,
logic and common sense here in those In those recent days,
Steve gorm Our guest by the Way, guest and author
of Green Breakdown, The Coming Renewable Energy Failure, amongst others
some other great books. Got a bit of a symposium,
Grand Rapids Climate Symposium coming up here in days. Let's
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talk a little bit about that and what what folks
can expect if they want to come out and see
you in person.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Yeah, that's Friday, May twenty third in Grand Rapids at
the gr Let's see gr Church and gr dot Church,
a Pastor Calbeisner. I'm sorry I say I should say
doctor Calbeiser of the Cornwall Alliance and I will be there.
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Will be there for more than three hours, both presenting
on climate change and renewable energy. There is a fee,
but please come up to Western Michigan. We can shake hands.
We'll have some books you can take a look at
as well, and it'll just be a great discussion about
it's titled climate change factor Fantasy, and we'll be there
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and trying to meet all the folks that want to
come by and talk about the issues.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Yeah, I love that as folks look to maybe come
at it and check out. It's always great to meet
with other people, get a chance to see.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
You're not allowed and all of this.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
And you know, and a lot of us are have
been made to feel like over the last two years
that you know, the common sense isn't as common as
it used to be. And I think that there's maybe
some truth to that, but I think it's a lot
more common that we're led to believe we're constantly being
bombarded with propaganda that makes us feel like like it's otherwise.
But a lot of those questions that you might have,
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in fact, any any inconvenient data points that you're going
to drop on stage for folks there to awake some
of these these people up who are all in on
the green new scam.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Well, we'll just have to see what we're putting together.
But you know, we're going to talk about about the
idea that carbonoxide is a pollutant, which is very, very foolish.
You know, we each it's an orderless, harmless and visible gas.
Every person on Earth exhales about two pounds of carbon
dioxide a day. We burn sugars in our body and
we create it. And you know, if you go back
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to eighth grade chemistry, the equation for combustion is fuel
plus oxygen plus heat equals carbon dioxide plus water vapor,
And water vapor actually is is Earth's biggest greenhouse gas.
So if we call carbon dioxide a pollutant because it's
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emitted by our industry from combustion and it enhances the
greenhouse effect, and we ought to call water vapor a
pollutant as well, because it's emitted whenever you burn methane,
and it's the biggest greenhouse gas. I mean, it's just
very illogical. And and yet we have the world driving
to eliminate two emissions when we should be doing stuff
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about water pollution, plastic in the ocean, is a lot
of other real issues and not co two.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Steve gorm with us right now, got to ask a
couple of other things before we let you go. There's
a you know, you just talked about a little bit
of it about the military and really national security when
it comes to some of these issues. Secretary events there,
Pete Hagseeth and the Pentagon have made the point that
we should be fighting wars, not whether with the military.
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I want to talk about because I don't think people
realize there's at one point and Trump has talked about
they wanted to make electric tanks, and I guess you
just ask everybody stop fighting on the battlefield. Let me
get my solar panels out or plug in and charge somewhere.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Yes, you have to have a long extension cord with
you wherever you go. But I can't imagine this.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Idea that was pushed, this ideology and how much really
it permeated so many different areas.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Just nonsensical.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Yeah, this has been going on for about fifteen years now.
In our new second Pcretary of the Department Offense, Pete
hag Seth says the DoD does not use it does
not do climate change, and I'll use the word stuff.
He says, we do training and war fighting. But this
has been going on for fifteen years. The Department of
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Defense is the biggest institutional user of petroleum fuel in
the world, for about five billion gallons of fuel every
year and back in two thousand and eleven, under President
of Barack Obama, then US Secretary of the Navy, Ray
Mabis said that by no later than twenty twenty, at
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least half of the energy that the Navy uses, both
afloat and the shore will come from non fossil fuel sources.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
And he called this the Great Green Fleet.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
And so the idea here was to take biofuels and
get all of our ships that didn't have reactors like
the carriers do, all of our other ships to run biofuels.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
But they find they had all kinds of problems. It
was it was.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
About seven times as expensive as as a diesel fuel.
And then when they went overseas, there were no ports
that had biofuels. And so instead of fifty percent of
it and he wanted fifty percent of our fuel by
twenty twenty, it turned out to be less than one
percent by twenty twenty three. Yet the Navy spent almost
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one hundred billion dollars on this and a lot of
other efforts in taxpayer money trying to go green. And then,
as you say, the Army, similarly, under President Biden, had
plans to run all field vehicles on electric power, even
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the tanks, and they had plans for battlefield chargers they
were going to put out there. I mean, this is
just looney, no military value at all. And listen to
these by the way, this is these programs from the
US Navy. You know how dogs has uncovered all of
these these crazy programs.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
The Navy had one on UH working with the government
of Vietnam to study climate change in the Mekong Delta.
Now tell me how that helps, how that helps Navy readiness.
They had another one on UH on recycling and using
biofuels in California. You know, it's just just vast amounts
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of weights. Anyway, Heigseeth is cutting that out and we're
getting back to military issues.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Yeah, this is a definite national security issue. And you
break this down and you start I got to ask
about this being in a national security and I stand
to recall hearing something about this not too long ago.
Steve Gordon with this right now, talking about the Grand
Rapids Climate Symposium that's coming out here shortly. Author of
a Green Breakdown, The Coming Renewable Energy Failure, and many
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other books on this topic. The subject just the initial
Strategic Reserve Biden drained it. Apparently, report came out the
other day. He drained it near the election to get
gas prices to come down so that you would forget
about all the insanity the things that he'd been doing
that made our prices go up. And they said apparently
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they drained it so much and so quickly that there
was damage to the system. Have you heard any updates
on how much we've been able to replenish and what
work they've been able to do to improve that.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Well, I think they're trying to restore it to They're
trying to restore the reserve, put more patrolling back in there.
The prices have come down from seventy to eighty dollars
a barrel to I think it's under sixty dollars a
barrel now, but I really haven't. I'm not up on
what they're doing to try and save the Reserve, but
I know mister Trump thinks that is something we need
to do. In the Department of Defense thinks it's something
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we need to maintain. But yeah, that was what mister
Biden did was purely political to get prices down and
really wasn't looking at the good of the country and
the strategic value of the reserve.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Steve.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
One other piece that is continuing in this fight happens
to be people waking up in places all across the country.
In fact, not far from here in the Green Charter
Township in a little town here, Big Rapids is where
it's near Pacosta County. They've been finding against what's called Goshen,
which is a Chinese Communist Party linked battery company. They're
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going to be producing, they'd like to it batteries here
at this plant for electric vehicles. Now, the township, the
folks there have gotten involved. They were called the township
board largely was Republicans. There were these deals that were
made behind the scenes. Our governor Gretchen Webmer, Democrat, had
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gone around giving out money when she ran in twenty
twenty two and pushed this effort as a way to
create jobs, and they were going to bring this in.
It's a lot of this is just pure corruption we've
found now. But the folks have fought back in this instance.
Marshall is another place here in Michigan where they're fighting
back against to believe it's a Ford cattle plant that
they wanted to put a battery production. In my question
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for you on this is we're seeing this and it's
not just here, but it seems to like it's a
woke of a giant. These these folks, small town revolts
are blocking you know, everything for these battery plants to
win farms from Michigan, do Maine. And I got a
wonder Uh, we've even seen this in Illinois too close,
a little close to us here in in this this
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whole revolt, this rebellion. Are we watching a real grassroots
rebellion take place here against these top, ground down sort
of green mandates. Is there something real happening here? And
what do you what do you see? Is that who
gets the cross? Is this the people just waking up
on this nonsense? And and when we continue to see.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
That there is there is a trend of a rising
tide of opposition across the country to wind and solar.
Some examples right now is in Oklahoma, which is like
the second or third biggest wind state in the country,
there are now bills in their state legislature to stop
eminent domain, which is where the wind these wind farms
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go and take your land. Stop eminent domain for wind
and solar. In Arizona, the legislature is considering a bill
that would ban ninety percent of state land from wind turbans.
Back in two thousand and eight, we had only two
counties in the United States that had restrictions on wind turbans.
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Now it's over five hundred counties that restrict wind turbans,
and so we have this rising tide of opposition. And
one of the big reasons We've talked about the waste already,
but another big reason is that wind and solar use
huge amounts of land. A guy by the name of
Vaklov Smill has written a whole book on this where
he looked at all of the land footprints of electrical
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power sources and he counted everything. He counted mines and
waste pits and pipelines. But he found that that natural gas,
nuclear and coal on a relative scale, used about one
unit of land to produce one unit of electricity, and
solo uses over one hundred units of land to produce
that same one unit of electricity.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
Wind up to eight hundred units of land to do it.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
And so people are saying, hey, you know, I don't
want these things all over blocking our land and doing whatever,
and having the waste issue Now, as you mentioned in Michigan,
one of the one of the issues in both Michigan
and Illinois is that the.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
State governments are overruling what people want to do in
the local governments.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
In Illinois, we had about twenty five counties roughly half
the state, that passed laws against wind turbines, and the
state government said we're going to We're just going to
override all those laws. And we're seeing some of that
in Michigan as well. So but we see more and
more people that are saying, hey, you know, we don't
want all this stuff here. We don't want our land
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taken up by the east. And so again it's another
kind of an issue that says, you know, we're not
going to get to fifty or one hundred percent wind
or solar despite what the goals are in a lot
of these states.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
You know, I love to see the pushback. I think
people are waking up.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
A large part it's, you know, folks like you have
been doing the work to educate people, to share with
them what they're facing. And by the way, the book,
we got a lot of optimism right now. President Trump
and I want to paint two different pictures because in
the book. You paint a I think a picture of
a reality that would have certainly and inevitably come true
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had Kamala Harris won. We're on a completely different path now.
Whether we can stay on that, keep that trajectory or not,
it's a whole different I guess well, Wax, But let
me ask you when it comes to your book and
that bleak picture, it's just so people can understand how
important not only you know that election was, but the
election in twenty six, twenty eight, and beyond it, even
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what we're doing today, how important that is and why
it matters.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
Well it is see under the Bible under and the
book talks about this drive for net zero by twenty
fifty nets. There is the idea that we ought to
get away from coal and gas and oil and try
to get to renewables, wind, solar and bio fuels and
one hundred percent of our energy by twenty fifty. But
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that's beyond a reach out goal. That's an impossibility. It's
not going to occur. And all these green programs do
about four things. They raise the price of electricity and
other energy. They take away people's freedom to buy an
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electric car or keep a gas stove in their home.
They cause electrical blackouts like we've seen in Spain and
Portugal recently. And these energy shocks come up, multinational energy shocks.
People are going to demand or turn to green energy.
I'm sorry, I returned to a regular energy, not away
from green. We see a lot in Europe right now
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is kind of falling down on this as well. In
England they now have they're talking at they're talking that
stupid zero is one of the phrases that's being used.
In Germany, the second largest party in Germany now has
a plank that would ban wind turbines in Germany and
winter and Germany and Germany has the most wind turbans
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of any nation in Europe. So we're seeing a rising
tide around the world to get away from UH and
to kind of tone down green energy. We're going to
get back to sensible energy policy. And that's what the
book Green Breakdown is about.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
I encourage you to check it out because obviously it's
going to give you a picture that that I think
will you know, at a lot of us right now,
you may feel like things are great trumps in charts,
but again he's got four years and really a little
less than two years essentially to make a massive impact.
And we got to get Congress to get in line
here to go along with a lot of these things
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to make sure that we not only remain on this path,
but that we continue for the years to come. It's
got to be very important. Steve Cooks will get the book.
What's the best way for them to do that?
Speaker 3 (38:19):
Well, they can come to the Climate Symposium on May
twenty third in Grand Rapids at the gr Church. I
will have all of my four books there. They can
pick up a signed copy if they want. If they
can't do that, they could go to my website Steve
gorhum g R e h a m dot com and
buy a book or two and I'll mail them sign copies.
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By the way, these are fun books to the last
three including Green Breakdown, our colored paperbacks, and they have
one hundred and fifty color sidebars which are real headlines
like this crazy one. This is from the Miami New Times.
Global Warming makes couples cheats as eating website, So so
you now have an excuse for your spouse. Global warming
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made me do it, you know. But so they're fun
as well as providing the science and the economics but
they can also get ebooks. They're on Amazon as well.
But by the way, I have a great book called
The Mad, Mad Mad World of Climatism. If you have
kids in school from eighth grade about and older, they're
getting a very one sided story about the climate.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
So get that book.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
It's got one of the polar bears in the it's
sitting in the masa on the cover, and and it'll
give them a balanced story about what's going on.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
Steve Garam is one of our favorite when it comes
to climate discussions, guests that we always enjoy having on.
Steve is going to be here in our own backyard again,
a great opportunity to get out and meet him, the
man that you get to hear on the radio quite
a bit, and have those conversations in detail. At the
climates Impost. We'll get the details put to make sure
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they're in the show notes for folks today too. Steve,
anything in closing here that we want to make sure
that we hit on, or that you'd like to include
before we wrap up, because I there's just so much
it's hard to stay on top of it all.
Speaker 4 (40:15):
Sometimes very big topics.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
I would just say the proper thing for the nation,
and for people to do is to first concentrate on
real pollution. We have a situation right now today where
about eighty percent of the world's wastewater is dumped into rivers, lakes,
and streams. That doesn't happen in the United States or Europe.
But if you remember seven or eight years ago, we
(40:39):
had swimmers down in Brazil didn't want to swim in
the water. This was at the Olympics. Yes, because Brazil's
just building their first water treatment plants. You can also
go to YouTube and Punch in India and garbage and
River and see this video where they're just driving garbage
trucks up on a bridge and just umping them into
(41:00):
a river. And it's not one truck, it's truck after
truck after truck. And this is how we get all
the plastic in the ocean. So that's another thing we
need to clean up. But the second factor is that
we as far as climate change, the only sensible policy
is to adapt like Netherlands has done for hundreds of years.
(41:21):
They build sea walls, they build islands, they adapt to
rizing oceans. There's no way we can stop rising oceans
with solar cells or electric vehicles. The proper course of
action is to adapt and to continue to use low
cost energy to help our societies grow.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
I think what we're looking at here is a you know,
we've often heard President Trump talk about this as the
new Golden Air. So I don't know that we're there yet,
but we certainly have the opportunity for that to take place.
And I think both not only have low cost on
all these these types of energy, but also at the
(42:04):
same time make sure things are in fact better for
the environment. And we're taking a good charge to make
sure that we're doing that big good stewards. But it
starts really with being honest about the things that are
really happening behind the scenes and let people really be
informed on these things, and then that way they can
(42:25):
make better decisions.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
And that's just what you're doing.
Speaker 4 (42:28):
Well, we try to do that. You know.
Speaker 3 (42:30):
I'm just an engineer and a researcher, and I read
this stuff. But I've been doing this for ten or
fifteen years now and written four books. And mankind's going
to come around and back to sensible policies. There really
is no alternative. The science and economics are going to
win out, and again we can shake hands May twenty third,
(42:51):
if you have time, come to the gr Church and
Grand Rapids the Climate sympose you there. Myself and doctor
kel Bisner or the Court All Alliance will be there,
will be there for three hours talking. We're happy to
be challenged, happy to have a little bit of a debate.
So if you got a chance that Friday evening, head
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Well, make sure we get the information online for folks
to be able to be a part of it. Looks
like a great opportunity to you. Our church great place
to watch that and to enjoy any event. Steve, always
a pleasure. We'll have you back on soon, I'm sure,
and dig into more of these conversations as they continue
to be a breaking news interest on the daily.
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Thank you as always, Thank you justin keep up your
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