May 24, 2025 • 36 mins
Sheriff Richard Mack https://cspoa.org/ joins the show to break down why your county sheriff—not Congress—is the last firewall between freedom and federal overreach. We unpack his Supreme Court victory in Mack/Printz v. U.S., his crusade against Real ID, and how sheriffs nationwide could bolster Trump’s deportation plan despite activist judges. Mack also shares real‑world wins from the Constitutional Sheriffs & Peace Officers Association and lays out a three‑point roadmap every patriot can follow to defend liberty at the local level. Buckle up—this episode is a masterclass in reclaiming constitutional power, one county at a time.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Beam. Buckle up today.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
We've got a living legend here, a sheriff who took
on Uncle Sam, dragged them up the marble steps of
the Supreme Court and scored a knockout for the Tenth Amendment,
Sheriff Richard Mack of the CSPA, and he's there to
answer all kinds of questions from what we're watching play
out right now Trump's first hundred days, to the cases
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no one is above the law, even those judges, folks,
and real id what should you do? The latest on
all of it. We'll talk with Sheriff Richard Mack as
we strap in for another edition with patriot author, defender
of liberty and the guy who minds federal tyrants exactly
where the.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Line in the sand is drawn. Welcome in, and it's
going to be a heck of a riot. It's like
drinking from a fire hose. Never a dull moment. But yes,
you'll hear the stories you won't hear anywhere else. And
we appreciate you being here. Whether it's going today. I'm
justin Barclay well committed.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
There's been so much conversation about this recently, and I
you know, I thought it'd be a great time to
have a little bit of a oh, I don't know,
maybe just a refresher course on law enforcement and the Constitution,
and this is probably the best time as any to
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do that. So if you would please welcome in our
guest today from CSPOA. Our good friend Sheriff Mac is
with us and back once again, and of course Constitutional
Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association and Sheriff we appreciate you
taking the time to be here with us. As I say,
it's not a never a dull moment these days, and
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you're right there in the middle of it.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Well, yeah, thank you, Justin. It's great to be back
with you. And I was just thinking while you were
doing your introduction, why isn't there a day where nothing's
going on? There's just today, there's no news. Okay, just
ditto yesterday, or you know, it's it's just amazing how
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absolutely crazy it is out there. And the Democrats are
so damn entertaining. I tell you, they just really keep
me laughing. And I'll tell you what, Trump winning just
keeps me smiling.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Well, let's talk about that, because we're coming off another
big another big weekend, another big weekend. There's all these
conversations that it seems like, as you mentioned, there's like
you're drinking from a fire hose every day with these
days not winning in the first hundred days. So what
are you most excited about or the things that you've
seen at least in the first hundred days here.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Well, I really like how the sheriffs are responding. I'm
very disheartened by the attacks that sheriffs are receiving from
their own states, where like right now, Washington State AG
is suing a sheriff telling him he cannot help with deportation,
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and he cannot help Ice, and he cannot help Trump
because Washington passed the law. Well, the Constitution reigns supreme A. G. Brown,
and your sheriff doesn't answer to you. He answers to
the people within a promise that he took in sacred
oath that he would uphold, protect and preserve the United
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States Constitution. But now we're going to the CSPOA is
going to make every attempt to have our next conference
in Washington State so we can train A. G. Brown
and the governor and the state legislature and many others
there that the supreme law of the land is the Constitution,
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and that the principles of liberty are still there and
reigned supreme, and that your sheriff does not answer to you.
He answers to the people who appointed him and who
pay his salary. So that's one of the big ones.
But as far as Trump goes big ones, he's getting
another hostage released in just a few minutes now, it
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looks like maybe just a little over an hour. And
he's creating peace throughout the world. His tariffs are obviously working,
and the stock market is going crazy today, way up high.
And now he's meeting with President g of China very
very soon. They all want to come now and make
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a deal because somebody stood firm against them for once
in about fifty years. So I'm really proud that Trump
has secured the border. I'm really proud that he freed
and pardoned the j Sixers, and I'm really proud that
he's taking the bull by the horn and leadership throughout
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the world and creating peace. And he's going to the
Middle East to do even more of that. So God
bless President Trump, keep him safe, and may the rest
of us be doing the same in our counties. And
that's really where CSPUA is focusing that we have Trump's
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back and that we have someone in every county in
this country where people can turn for peace, safety, protection,
and liberty, and that would be your county sheriff. Yes,
thank you for showing the site, and we would ask
every single person on this call today to join the
CSPUA posse, c SPOA posse. This is a time for
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us to come together with our sheriffs and local officials
to make sure that we have a constitutional sheriff and
a constitutional county and thus us liberty for every single
person within our counties and parishes.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
You know, I feel like it's getting I think people
are picking up on this more and more. Sheriff Mac
with us right now, CSPOA. But I think really if
you go back to twenty twenty, there was an awakening
and a lot of people started to realize what kind
of a role, Especially here in Michigan, we've seen this
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in a couple of different ways where the sheriffs play
such a critical constitutional role there. I don't think most
people understood this for so long. With there's such a
poor job probably of talking about this in civics classes
through school. They were doing everything they could do in
doctrinata so that we didn't understand. But have you seen
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a resurgence in recent years of people really understanding what
that role. I'm not talking maybe law enforcement included as well,
but specifically people who are you know, the general public
to understand and maybe hold some of these folks accountable,
but also encourage many of them to step up as well.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Yeah, they do. You know, there's there's shriffs. There's many
sheffs across the country who are doing press conferences standing
before their own county commissioners and talking This just happened
in Colorado a couple of weeks ago, saying how their
constitutional shriffs and that they're going to uphold and defend
and enforce the Constitution and that everyone needs to be
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getting on board. Yeah, there's no question that there is
a resurgence, that there is a new awakening, and I
guess so many different organizations have wake Up or the
New America Waking Up and the Wake Up Tour, and
all of these people are really getting after it. Clay
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Clark has been doing a super job of that. General
Filan Cspoa I was on a tour three four years
ago doing the same thing, just trying to wake people up.
The Constitution is still there, It still applies. It is
not a mouldible a document. It is not made of
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clay where you get to change it every day. In fact,
quite the opposite. It is absolute. And even Biden said
that there's nothing in the Constitution that's absolute. Well, if
you're violating it every day like he and his administration,
where you have to say that or you look like
a criminal. And so that's exactly what they were, because
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they did violate it every day. And I'm now very
amused by the Democrats who talk about the Constitution. We're
having a constitutional crisis. We've been having one because of
you guys for the last fifty years. And so yeah,
and yeah, there's some Republicans that belong to that group too,
all those rhinos that don't believe in the Constitution either.
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And that Murkowski idiot from Alaska, my goodness, she wouldn't
know the Constitution of it hit her in the head.
But this is happening. Sheriffs and other local officials and
the people in general are now returning to the principles
of the Constitution, and we love it.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
It's great to see Sheriff mac with us here today
and long overdue. Little by little though, it adds up
and there's a snowball sort of effect. Yeah, it seems
like is occurring right now and people are watching these
not only got a shout out for one Michigan sheriff,
dar Leif in the comments today.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Oh Sheriff Leaf, Well, wow, one of the best sheriffs
in America right now. In fact, he's definitely in the
top three. And I can't even tell you who the
other two are. No, I can't a sheriff's songer from
Washington State. Yeah, and there's some real good sheriffs in
Texas and some real good sheriffs in Florida, And every
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state has a sheriff somewhere that's defending learning, standing for
what's right. And I have to give a little caveat
to that statement though. If you'll remember, there's three states
that don't have sheriffs, and the worst one is Connecticut
because Connecticut voted the office out of the state about
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thirty years ago. Huge mistake, and they've really got to
get the work done to get that back. That'll really
take a miracle, but I believe in miracles. And then
Alaska and Hawaii never established the office when they came
into the union in nineteen fifty nine. Really a sad commentary.
They shouldn't even been allowed in unless they had sheriffs,
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but they don't, and it's really sad. I went to Alaska.
I've been to all fifty states. That was my last state,
and I did that about ten years ago, and we
tried to get them going to get re established the office,
but not enough people in the legislature really care about it.
So it's kind of sad.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Yeah, it's interesting, ire Mac. I didn't.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
I don't think I ever knew that. You learned something
new every day. That's that's our goal.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Anyway.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
One of the things that happened this weekend, and I've
been maybe a little bit of commentary on this, but
there was a mayor Democrat, mayor of Newark, New Jersey,
arrested trespassing after he and others broke into an ice facility.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
This is incredible footage.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Uh yeah, and the Democrats think that's just okay.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
What did they say about the Jay sixers when they
broke into the capitol. Uh right, yeah, they got each
of them got about three to eight years in prison.
So Mayor, I will be easy on you. We'll just
give you a year.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
No one is above the law. By the way, we're
getting uh, we're getting some interesting Uh. Well, this would
be the full round. And then the find out portion
of the era that we're in right now is we're
seeing Letitia James, the Attorney General in New York, who's
now under investigation. Both these big stories came this weekend.
Here's a little bit of that clip from from the
mayor getting arrested.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
There you Congress, and sure, from what I understand too,
they're now looking at some of the members of Congress
who were there this weekend as well part of this.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
They're trespassing. But you know, at the end of the day,
whether it's Amerius is we're not gonna help Ice and
Tom Holm and the rest of these folks with the
deportation process or insisting and they're just going out of
their way to block it. We had that judge that
was arrested the other day too.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Yeah, I love that mugshot that that jailbird photo of
Judge Dougan from Milwaukee. That was a classic, absolutely classic.
But look, the members of Congre looked like they were
going to be arrested. I think they unarrested them or
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let them go, and then they actually let them inside.
But even members of Congress, there's some buildings you don't
get to just break into. And how about if the
American people who own the US Capital want to just
go in there. The Democrats were totally against that when
they came into the US Capital and it was a
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simple trespass, and yet they found a way to charge
them with some stupid felony. And these were the Democrats,
and now they just think they can go into any
building they want. This was a holding facility. It's not
for everybody to walk into if you want to make
an appointment. I'm sure the administrators there could arrange that.
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But you're thinking you can just walk into it anytime
you feel like it. Well, you said that the American
people and our governments based on we the people, we
own that US capital, which we do, and we fund it,
then why can't we go in it anytime we want?
And so the Democrats never cease to amaze me how
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they are on both sides and a bunch of hypocrites.
And the other term for hypocrite is dishonesty. And that's
what they portray all the time, and I've kind of
had it with them, as you can tell. But let's
focus a little bit on the judges in this country
that are the ones really responsible for ruining the justice
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system because they believe that they are the gods of
these courtrooms. They're the anointed kings and queens and could
do anything they want that they have complete immunity. Any
immunity should be removed from every judge in this country
so that they are held responsible and that a citizen
who's been screwed over by a judge in his courtroom
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can sue the judge for not following the Constitution. And finally,
my comment about Judge Dougan, Finally in America, we have
arrested one of the real crooks. And I hope that
this is just the beginning for politicians and judges who
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now are going to realize they're not above the law.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Jrump.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Is that a real issue with these judges who've been
coming out. My favorite from the other day was this
meme that came out when they named the new Pope,
Judge Boseburg, the federal judge. They tried to stop the
Vatican from naming a new Pope, and of obviously a
meme and a tongue in cheek joke there, But gosh,
it's so funny because it fit perfectly, didn't it.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Yeah, man, oh man, Yeah, it really does. And I
have a new rule for all you judges, from district
judges to state and local judges and the United States
Supreme Court. If you're going to try to block President
Trump from doing something, please provide the evidence from the
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Constitution that he could possibly be violating and justify what
you're saying by some provision within the Constitution that you
think the president is violating. Otherwise, shut up. You don't
have any business getting involved in that. And a judge
in Timbucto, Arizona, or Kentucky has no authority to change
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the entire country or the world that Trump is now
participating in. Called the executive branch, he doesn't work for
the judicial branch, And why don't you just wan mind
your own business and simply say the courts have no
business getting involved in this. We are not the executive branch,
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nor do we command the executive branch unless he is
violating his oath or the Constitution, or both.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Sheriff Richard Mack with us right now at the CSPOACSPOA
dot org. Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association. Let me
ask you a sheriff. As we're talking about President Trump's agenda.
One of the biggest issues here has been the border.
They're working on, the mass deportation, some of those things.
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He says he's going to rely heavily on some of
those county sheriffs to help execute some of those deportations.
If Congress and blue state governments want to get the
way specific tools, Let's talk maybe what sheriffs have that
maybe federal agencies lack. And where do you see some
of the biggest issues where the judges that the ones
that you're just talking about, or sanctuary city officials may clash.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Well, it's going to be easy to clash with judges
because they don't follow the Constitution hardly her and it
makes me wonder if they know it. Amy Comy Barrett
does she has she ever read the Bill of Rights?
I really have got to ask her that she's a Republican,
and I believe one of Trump's biggest mistakes because she
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doesn't know the Constitution at all. Roberts, you never know
what he's going to do. He bounces all over this,
back from left right, middle, all over crazy. But it
just really makes you wonder if it's all politics or ignorance.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
And so.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
I really think we need to have a much broader
oversight of judges and politicians. And so I want to
call out two judges. And one of them was Matthew Barrett.
And do you remember that name? That was the judge
in Tina Peter's trial. Oh yeah, And Matthew Barrett is
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quite a left He's quite dishonest. I hate to call
him just immature. He's the most baby pansy judge I've
ever been in front of. And I've been to hundreds
and hundreds of courts. I've been to every major court
in this country, federal district, Federal Circuit, the United States
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Supreme Court, tax Court as an expert witness against them
for one of my constituents, traffic courts in about twenty
different states. So I don't think anybody in law enforcement
has been to court and a variety of courts more
than I have in the entire country. And I've never
seen such a Mamsie pamsy, little immature baby like this judge,
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Matthew Barrett, and he kept calling out a couple of
people in the audience. And first, what ticks me off
is he he wouldn't let me wear my hat, or
anyone else for that matter. But two of us were
wearing cowboy hats and he said take off your hats.
He didn't explain why, and I still wonder that. And
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then there was a couple of kids with baseball caps
and he made them remove that hat. Is there something
sacred about these courtrooms that I'm not familiar with not
wearing not being able to wear a hat. Okay, I
take off my hat when we're saying the pledge. I
take off my hat when the Star Spangled Banner is playing,
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and I take off my hat when we're praying. But
right after that I put it back on. And I
don't wear it to church because I think that is
kind of a sacred place and we're there worshiping God.
But in that courtroom, who are we worshiping? Who are
we bowing before? Why am I taking my hat off?
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That judge doesn't deserve any respect, that's for damn sure.
And then do you know what he did? He distil
allowed evidence as to voter fraud. He would not allow
anything about voter fraud in that courtroom. How are you
going to convince a jury that her intent was to
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prevent voter fraud? And not one bit of evidence about
that was allowed in the courtroom because Judge idiot Barrett
said that he didn't see how that played in. It
was irrelevant. It was the entire crux of the whole
entire case, and so he won. He's a liar.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
Two.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
He had to know that no crime was committed here.
He had to know that, or he doesn't know the
law whatsoever. It's called men's rea, Judge Barrett. Matthew Mattie, boy,
it's called men's rea. You know what that is. He
learned that in the first year of law school. You
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didn't learn the Constitution, and you didn't learn the importance
of the oath of office that you're supposed to apply
to your courtroom. So, uh, men's rea is criminal intent.
There had to be some benefit to the person being
charged for committing that crime that you supposedly said was
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a crime. She had none. There was no benefit to her,
but there wasn't a crime anyway. She was doing her
job as the county recorder, and she was simply securing
the vote tallies of Mesa County, Colorado, and she was
suspicious that there was some election fraud. Even if she's wrong,
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there's still no crime.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Sure. Yeah, And I'm saying involved with this lightly too.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Is there is folks feeling good about that?
Speaker 3 (22:58):
I'm sorry I talked over you the first part.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
We just seen President Trump getting involved. He's mentioned Tina
Peters late lately. Is is there some hope that he's
going to be able to make some head there.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
He can't pardon her, which I hope him talking about
it gets the governor involved. Now the governor can because
none of this was federal. And what I understand is
is Pam Bondi the a G for the federal government
that she could conduct an investigation and try to uncover
the corruption of them going after her because there was
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no crime. And I'll bet her investigation could prove that
in about two hours, because it would be very simple
to prove that.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
That would be interesting and it's just a fairy threat
of that hanging overhead might give them the the urge
there to move forward and and for them to part
of her at this part if.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
They would go, look, she's been through enough and not
years is way too much for this kind of white
collar crime taking over the tallies or her her verifying
or securing that's the right word, securing the vote tallies.
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Though we disagree with it, it really wasn't a crime,
and we apologize to her. And you know, I would
ask her to do that deal if you will, we
will release you if you sign off not suing us,
not suing the state. And I think she would take that.
If I were her, I would just take it and
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get going. But these idiots that put her in there,
this is absolutely astonishing that she could get any type
of a prison sentence, never committing a crime before in
her life. She was the county recorder of that county
and she intended to do her job and protect the tallies.
Where's the one who's the victim?
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Absolutely?
Speaker 2 (25:00):
I want to ask you, a Sheriff Mac, if I
can about another hot topic in the last week or
so that's come up, and I know you've had certainly
some things to say about real ID real ID, can
you lay it out for folks maybe why you call
it comment daring by barcode and what folks need to
be aware of when it comes to real I d.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
Well, I looked into it quite a bit because I
heard that a lot of people from the right were
assailing it and had been for the last ten years.
So I fly a lot, and so every time I fly,
I asked the people there. I asked TSA people, and
they're very friendly, and every one of them said the
same thing. I said, why do we need to change this?
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What's wrong with my Arizona license the way it is now?
And why do I have to get a new one?
What's the new one going to do for me or
for anyone else? Not a one of them knew. No
one knew, No one knew. So yeah, the only difference
I saw was a little star up in the right
hand corner. So I went to the DMV here in
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Arizona and I got my new license, but they didn't
take my old one. I still have it also, And
they even said, you don't even need to get this
if you don't want to, because you can use your passport.
So if you have a passport, you can use your passport.
Then I saw Ron Paul talk about this, and he said,
this ID goes way too far. It scans your retina,
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it takes your DNA, and this is all put on
a big, huge database. And the only thing I've ever
gotten so far from anyone and very remotely.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
That.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
It's supposed to prevent illegal aliens from being able to
vote because this one cannot be forged or duplicated so easily. Yeah, anybody,
anybody who gets a driver's license from all these states
that are auditioning out like Minnesota and California many others
are given illegal aliens driver's licenses that gets it makes
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it real easy to go register to vote.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Our secretary of state here in Michigan, she's just giving them.
And there's been some investigations. I hope the Attorney General
Panbondi in the Justice Department look into. What we're hearing
now is that the documentation the things that some of
these folks here in the country illegally are supposed to
have in Michigan specifically and for the real id has
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not been done and she's been lying about it. And
one of the things that folks are hoping and calling for, Sheriff,
is that there would be an audit done by the
federal government on this secretary of state. By the way,
sounds very familiar to Arizona. She's a radical leftist secretary
of state who's running for governor now and wants to
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oversee her own election here coming up in twenty twenty six.
I wonder how well that's going to go.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
She already did it, Yeah, Katie Hobbs, she already did
it the first time she won. She was overseeing the
election at that time.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
They want to They want to do it in Michigan,
this time with Joscelyn Benson, our secretary.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
So wonderful. Does that make you feel all warm and fuzzy?
But but my Supreme Court case doesn't allow the federal
government to do this. But look, the federal government can
push it, and they want to, but do none of
the states have to participate with the real idea. Same
thing with deportation. I want to make this very clear.
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No one can be arrested for not cooperating. Okay, The
states do not have to help. This is an assignment.
And Article four section four that the federal government is
responsible to protect our borders from invasion. They are required
to do that for every state. Okay, Article four section
four US Constitution. The states obviously can protect their own
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which that was wrong when the state filed in Texas
to protect their own boarder. Whoever made that decision US
Supreme Court, Circuit Court, or district obviously doesn't know the Constitution.
The states are sovereign and they can protect themselves, especially
when the federal government refuses to do their job. So
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but in my Supreme Court case, the order of the
court is very clear. The federal government may neither issue
directives requiring the states to address particular problems real id
nor command the states officers or those of their political subdivisions, cities, county,
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school boards, anyone cannot be commanded by the federal government
to administer or enforce a federal regulatory program. So they
can't force this on the states. The states can go
long if they want to, and that's that's the real
problem here. Most of the states think they have to
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bow down to the federal government. Trump, whoever was pushing this,
maybe just he gave it turned it over to Christy
Nolan to push. But this was a brainchild out of
the Patriot Act. It is not a good law. The
American people should be telling their states to refuse it.
But again, if you have a passport, you can refuse it.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
So you so you would recommend as you're traveling a
use of passport instead of the realm. Here's the weird thing.
I've had this. I've had this idea for years now,
had no idea. We had it back because you get
back and forth between here and Canada. They said, you know,
all you had to have was a special idea. Well,
I had no idea what we're getting.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
And now, now, have you ever seen anything official from
Christy Nomer or anyone why we're doing this?
Speaker 1 (30:56):
No? I mean, it's a good question. I I don't know.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
I'd like and know, but it does remind me of
back of those times where they were pushing this, and
I do remember it was, you know, post nine to eleven.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
It was Patriot Acts stuff.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
Interesting, actually it actually was pasting five oh five. Yeah,
and even Obama didn't really push it very hard. Biden
was talking about it. And and now why would Trump
even bother with this? I don't know, but I would
really like to show President Trump my lawsuit. I'm sure
he hasn't never heard about it. But it's the only
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Speaker 2 (32:00):
So three decades later talk about this and the importance
of it.
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Well, it's the most important Tenth Amendment state sovereignty case
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the division of power between the federal government and the
state governments. That's what federalism is. And to see it
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Speaker 1 (34:15):
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Appreciate you taking the time come on with us and
talk about these things, and again we'll have you back
when the time is right. But always always a pleasure
and appreciate everything you're doing.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
Save here. Thanks so much, Justin, And while you go
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We've got a living legend here, a sheriff who took
on Uncle Sam, dragged them up the marble steps of
the Supreme Court and scored a knockout for the Tenth Amendment,
Sheriff Richard Mack of the CSPA, and he's there to
answer all kinds of questions from what we're watching play
out right now Trump's first hundred days, to the cases
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no one is above the law, even those judges, folks,
and real id what should you do? The latest on
all of it. We'll talk with Sheriff Richard Mack as
we strap in for another edition with patriot author, defender
of liberty and the guy who minds federal tyrants exactly
where the.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Line in the sand is drawn. Welcome in, and it's
going to be a heck of a riot. It's like
drinking from a fire hose. Never a dull moment. But yes,
you'll hear the stories you won't hear anywhere else. And
we appreciate you being here. Whether it's going today. I'm
justin Barclay well committed.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
There's been so much conversation about this recently, and I
you know, I thought it'd be a great time to
have a little bit of a oh, I don't know,
maybe just a refresher course on law enforcement and the Constitution,
and this is probably the best time as any to
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do that. So if you would please welcome in our
guest today from CSPOA. Our good friend Sheriff Mac is
with us and back once again, and of course Constitutional
Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association and Sheriff we appreciate you
taking the time to be here with us. As I say,
it's not a never a dull moment these days, and
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you're right there in the middle of it.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Well, yeah, thank you, Justin. It's great to be back
with you. And I was just thinking while you were
doing your introduction, why isn't there a day where nothing's
going on? There's just today, there's no news. Okay, just
ditto yesterday, or you know, it's it's just amazing how
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absolutely crazy it is out there. And the Democrats are
so damn entertaining. I tell you, they just really keep
me laughing. And I'll tell you what, Trump winning just
keeps me smiling.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Well, let's talk about that, because we're coming off another
big another big weekend, another big weekend. There's all these
conversations that it seems like, as you mentioned, there's like
you're drinking from a fire hose every day with these
days not winning in the first hundred days. So what
are you most excited about or the things that you've
seen at least in the first hundred days here.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Well, I really like how the sheriffs are responding. I'm
very disheartened by the attacks that sheriffs are receiving from
their own states, where like right now, Washington State AG
is suing a sheriff telling him he cannot help with deportation,
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and he cannot help Ice, and he cannot help Trump
because Washington passed the law. Well, the Constitution reigns supreme A. G. Brown,
and your sheriff doesn't answer to you. He answers to
the people within a promise that he took in sacred
oath that he would uphold, protect and preserve the United
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States Constitution. But now we're going to the CSPOA is
going to make every attempt to have our next conference
in Washington State so we can train A. G. Brown
and the governor and the state legislature and many others
there that the supreme law of the land is the Constitution,
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and that the principles of liberty are still there and
reigned supreme, and that your sheriff does not answer to you.
He answers to the people who appointed him and who
pay his salary. So that's one of the big ones.
But as far as Trump goes big ones, he's getting
another hostage released in just a few minutes now, it
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looks like maybe just a little over an hour. And
he's creating peace throughout the world. His tariffs are obviously working,
and the stock market is going crazy today, way up high.
And now he's meeting with President g of China very
very soon. They all want to come now and make
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a deal because somebody stood firm against them for once
in about fifty years. So I'm really proud that Trump
has secured the border. I'm really proud that he freed
and pardoned the j Sixers, and I'm really proud that
he's taking the bull by the horn and leadership throughout
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the world and creating peace. And he's going to the
Middle East to do even more of that. So God
bless President Trump, keep him safe, and may the rest
of us be doing the same in our counties. And
that's really where CSPUA is focusing that we have Trump's
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back and that we have someone in every county in
this country where people can turn for peace, safety, protection,
and liberty, and that would be your county sheriff. Yes,
thank you for showing the site, and we would ask
every single person on this call today to join the
CSPUA posse, c SPOA posse. This is a time for
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us to come together with our sheriffs and local officials
to make sure that we have a constitutional sheriff and
a constitutional county and thus us liberty for every single
person within our counties and parishes.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
You know, I feel like it's getting I think people
are picking up on this more and more. Sheriff Mac
with us right now, CSPOA. But I think really if
you go back to twenty twenty, there was an awakening
and a lot of people started to realize what kind
of a role, Especially here in Michigan, we've seen this
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in a couple of different ways where the sheriffs play
such a critical constitutional role there. I don't think most
people understood this for so long. With there's such a
poor job probably of talking about this in civics classes
through school. They were doing everything they could do in
doctrinata so that we didn't understand. But have you seen
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a resurgence in recent years of people really understanding what
that role. I'm not talking maybe law enforcement included as well,
but specifically people who are you know, the general public
to understand and maybe hold some of these folks accountable,
but also encourage many of them to step up as well.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Yeah, they do. You know, there's there's shriffs. There's many
sheffs across the country who are doing press conferences standing
before their own county commissioners and talking This just happened
in Colorado a couple of weeks ago, saying how their
constitutional shriffs and that they're going to uphold and defend
and enforce the Constitution and that everyone needs to be
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getting on board. Yeah, there's no question that there is
a resurgence, that there is a new awakening, and I
guess so many different organizations have wake Up or the
New America Waking Up and the Wake Up Tour, and
all of these people are really getting after it. Clay
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Clark has been doing a super job of that. General
Filan Cspoa I was on a tour three four years
ago doing the same thing, just trying to wake people up.
The Constitution is still there, It still applies. It is
not a mouldible a document. It is not made of
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clay where you get to change it every day. In fact,
quite the opposite. It is absolute. And even Biden said
that there's nothing in the Constitution that's absolute. Well, if
you're violating it every day like he and his administration,
where you have to say that or you look like
a criminal. And so that's exactly what they were, because
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they did violate it every day. And I'm now very
amused by the Democrats who talk about the Constitution. We're
having a constitutional crisis. We've been having one because of
you guys for the last fifty years. And so yeah,
and yeah, there's some Republicans that belong to that group too,
all those rhinos that don't believe in the Constitution either.
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And that Murkowski idiot from Alaska, my goodness, she wouldn't
know the Constitution of it hit her in the head.
But this is happening. Sheriffs and other local officials and
the people in general are now returning to the principles
of the Constitution, and we love it.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
It's great to see Sheriff mac with us here today
and long overdue. Little by little though, it adds up
and there's a snowball sort of effect. Yeah, it seems
like is occurring right now and people are watching these
not only got a shout out for one Michigan sheriff,
dar Leif in the comments today.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Oh Sheriff Leaf, Well, wow, one of the best sheriffs
in America right now. In fact, he's definitely in the
top three. And I can't even tell you who the
other two are. No, I can't a sheriff's songer from
Washington State. Yeah, and there's some real good sheriffs in
Texas and some real good sheriffs in Florida, And every
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state has a sheriff somewhere that's defending learning, standing for
what's right. And I have to give a little caveat
to that statement though. If you'll remember, there's three states
that don't have sheriffs, and the worst one is Connecticut
because Connecticut voted the office out of the state about
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thirty years ago. Huge mistake, and they've really got to
get the work done to get that back. That'll really
take a miracle, but I believe in miracles. And then
Alaska and Hawaii never established the office when they came
into the union in nineteen fifty nine. Really a sad commentary.
They shouldn't even been allowed in unless they had sheriffs,
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but they don't, and it's really sad. I went to Alaska.
I've been to all fifty states. That was my last state,
and I did that about ten years ago, and we
tried to get them going to get re established the office,
but not enough people in the legislature really care about it.
So it's kind of sad.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Yeah, it's interesting, ire Mac. I didn't.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
I don't think I ever knew that. You learned something
new every day. That's that's our goal.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Anyway.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
One of the things that happened this weekend, and I've
been maybe a little bit of commentary on this, but
there was a mayor Democrat, mayor of Newark, New Jersey,
arrested trespassing after he and others broke into an ice facility.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
This is incredible footage.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Uh yeah, and the Democrats think that's just okay.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
What did they say about the Jay sixers when they
broke into the capitol. Uh right, yeah, they got each
of them got about three to eight years in prison.
So Mayor, I will be easy on you. We'll just
give you a year.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
No one is above the law. By the way, we're
getting uh, we're getting some interesting Uh. Well, this would
be the full round. And then the find out portion
of the era that we're in right now is we're
seeing Letitia James, the Attorney General in New York, who's
now under investigation. Both these big stories came this weekend.
Here's a little bit of that clip from from the
mayor getting arrested.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
There you Congress, and sure, from what I understand too,
they're now looking at some of the members of Congress
who were there this weekend as well part of this.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
They're trespassing. But you know, at the end of the day,
whether it's Amerius is we're not gonna help Ice and
Tom Holm and the rest of these folks with the
deportation process or insisting and they're just going out of
their way to block it. We had that judge that
was arrested the other day too.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Yeah, I love that mugshot that that jailbird photo of
Judge Dougan from Milwaukee. That was a classic, absolutely classic.
But look, the members of Congre looked like they were
going to be arrested. I think they unarrested them or
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let them go, and then they actually let them inside.
But even members of Congress, there's some buildings you don't
get to just break into. And how about if the
American people who own the US Capital want to just
go in there. The Democrats were totally against that when
they came into the US Capital and it was a
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simple trespass, and yet they found a way to charge
them with some stupid felony. And these were the Democrats,
and now they just think they can go into any
building they want. This was a holding facility. It's not
for everybody to walk into if you want to make
an appointment. I'm sure the administrators there could arrange that.
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But you're thinking you can just walk into it anytime
you feel like it. Well, you said that the American
people and our governments based on we the people, we
own that US capital, which we do, and we fund it,
then why can't we go in it anytime we want?
And so the Democrats never cease to amaze me how
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they are on both sides and a bunch of hypocrites.
And the other term for hypocrite is dishonesty. And that's
what they portray all the time, and I've kind of
had it with them, as you can tell. But let's
focus a little bit on the judges in this country
that are the ones really responsible for ruining the justice
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system because they believe that they are the gods of
these courtrooms. They're the anointed kings and queens and could
do anything they want that they have complete immunity. Any
immunity should be removed from every judge in this country
so that they are held responsible and that a citizen
who's been screwed over by a judge in his courtroom
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can sue the judge for not following the Constitution. And finally,
my comment about Judge Dougan, Finally in America, we have
arrested one of the real crooks. And I hope that
this is just the beginning for politicians and judges who
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now are going to realize they're not above the law.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Jrump.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Is that a real issue with these judges who've been
coming out. My favorite from the other day was this
meme that came out when they named the new Pope,
Judge Boseburg, the federal judge. They tried to stop the
Vatican from naming a new Pope, and of obviously a
meme and a tongue in cheek joke there, But gosh,
it's so funny because it fit perfectly, didn't it.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Yeah, man, oh man, Yeah, it really does. And I
have a new rule for all you judges, from district
judges to state and local judges and the United States
Supreme Court. If you're going to try to block President
Trump from doing something, please provide the evidence from the
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Constitution that he could possibly be violating and justify what
you're saying by some provision within the Constitution that you
think the president is violating. Otherwise, shut up. You don't
have any business getting involved in that. And a judge
in Timbucto, Arizona, or Kentucky has no authority to change
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the entire country or the world that Trump is now
participating in. Called the executive branch, he doesn't work for
the judicial branch, And why don't you just wan mind
your own business and simply say the courts have no
business getting involved in this. We are not the executive branch,
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nor do we command the executive branch unless he is
violating his oath or the Constitution, or both.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Sheriff Richard Mack with us right now at the CSPOACSPOA
dot org. Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association. Let me
ask you a sheriff. As we're talking about President Trump's agenda.
One of the biggest issues here has been the border.
They're working on, the mass deportation, some of those things.
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He says he's going to rely heavily on some of
those county sheriffs to help execute some of those deportations.
If Congress and blue state governments want to get the
way specific tools, Let's talk maybe what sheriffs have that
maybe federal agencies lack. And where do you see some
of the biggest issues where the judges that the ones
that you're just talking about, or sanctuary city officials may clash.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Well, it's going to be easy to clash with judges
because they don't follow the Constitution hardly her and it
makes me wonder if they know it. Amy Comy Barrett
does she has she ever read the Bill of Rights?
I really have got to ask her that she's a Republican,
and I believe one of Trump's biggest mistakes because she
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doesn't know the Constitution at all. Roberts, you never know
what he's going to do. He bounces all over this,
back from left right, middle, all over crazy. But it
just really makes you wonder if it's all politics or ignorance.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
And so.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
I really think we need to have a much broader
oversight of judges and politicians. And so I want to
call out two judges. And one of them was Matthew Barrett.
And do you remember that name? That was the judge
in Tina Peter's trial. Oh yeah, And Matthew Barrett is
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quite a left He's quite dishonest. I hate to call
him just immature. He's the most baby pansy judge I've
ever been in front of. And I've been to hundreds
and hundreds of courts. I've been to every major court
in this country, federal district, Federal Circuit, the United States
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Supreme Court, tax Court as an expert witness against them
for one of my constituents, traffic courts in about twenty
different states. So I don't think anybody in law enforcement
has been to court and a variety of courts more
than I have in the entire country. And I've never
seen such a Mamsie pamsy, little immature baby like this judge,
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Matthew Barrett, and he kept calling out a couple of
people in the audience. And first, what ticks me off
is he he wouldn't let me wear my hat, or
anyone else for that matter. But two of us were
wearing cowboy hats and he said take off your hats.
He didn't explain why, and I still wonder that. And
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then there was a couple of kids with baseball caps
and he made them remove that hat. Is there something
sacred about these courtrooms that I'm not familiar with not
wearing not being able to wear a hat. Okay, I
take off my hat when we're saying the pledge. I
take off my hat when the Star Spangled Banner is playing,
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and I take off my hat when we're praying. But
right after that I put it back on. And I
don't wear it to church because I think that is
kind of a sacred place and we're there worshiping God.
But in that courtroom, who are we worshiping? Who are
we bowing before? Why am I taking my hat off?
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That judge doesn't deserve any respect, that's for damn sure.
And then do you know what he did? He distil
allowed evidence as to voter fraud. He would not allow
anything about voter fraud in that courtroom. How are you
going to convince a jury that her intent was to
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prevent voter fraud? And not one bit of evidence about
that was allowed in the courtroom because Judge idiot Barrett
said that he didn't see how that played in. It
was irrelevant. It was the entire crux of the whole
entire case, and so he won. He's a liar.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
Two.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
He had to know that no crime was committed here.
He had to know that, or he doesn't know the
law whatsoever. It's called men's rea, Judge Barrett. Matthew Mattie, boy,
it's called men's rea. You know what that is. He
learned that in the first year of law school. You
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didn't learn the Constitution, and you didn't learn the importance
of the oath of office that you're supposed to apply
to your courtroom. So, uh, men's rea is criminal intent.
There had to be some benefit to the person being
charged for committing that crime that you supposedly said was
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a crime. She had none. There was no benefit to her,
but there wasn't a crime anyway. She was doing her
job as the county recorder, and she was simply securing
the vote tallies of Mesa County, Colorado, and she was
suspicious that there was some election fraud. Even if she's wrong,
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there's still no crime.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Sure. Yeah, And I'm saying involved with this lightly too.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Is there is folks feeling good about that?
Speaker 3 (22:58):
I'm sorry I talked over you the first part.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
We just seen President Trump getting involved. He's mentioned Tina
Peters late lately. Is is there some hope that he's
going to be able to make some head there.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
He can't pardon her, which I hope him talking about
it gets the governor involved. Now the governor can because
none of this was federal. And what I understand is
is Pam Bondi the a G for the federal government
that she could conduct an investigation and try to uncover
the corruption of them going after her because there was
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no crime. And I'll bet her investigation could prove that
in about two hours, because it would be very simple
to prove that.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
That would be interesting and it's just a fairy threat
of that hanging overhead might give them the the urge
there to move forward and and for them to part
of her at this part if.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
They would go, look, she's been through enough and not
years is way too much for this kind of white
collar crime taking over the tallies or her her verifying
or securing that's the right word, securing the vote tallies.
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Though we disagree with it, it really wasn't a crime,
and we apologize to her. And you know, I would
ask her to do that deal if you will, we
will release you if you sign off not suing us,
not suing the state. And I think she would take that.
If I were her, I would just take it and
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get going. But these idiots that put her in there,
this is absolutely astonishing that she could get any type
of a prison sentence, never committing a crime before in
her life. She was the county recorder of that county
and she intended to do her job and protect the tallies.
Where's the one who's the victim?
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Absolutely?
Speaker 2 (25:00):
I want to ask you, a Sheriff Mac, if I
can about another hot topic in the last week or
so that's come up, and I know you've had certainly
some things to say about real ID real ID, can
you lay it out for folks maybe why you call
it comment daring by barcode and what folks need to
be aware of when it comes to real I d.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
Well, I looked into it quite a bit because I
heard that a lot of people from the right were
assailing it and had been for the last ten years.
So I fly a lot, and so every time I fly,
I asked the people there. I asked TSA people, and
they're very friendly, and every one of them said the
same thing. I said, why do we need to change this?
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What's wrong with my Arizona license the way it is now?
And why do I have to get a new one?
What's the new one going to do for me or
for anyone else? Not a one of them knew. No
one knew, No one knew. So yeah, the only difference
I saw was a little star up in the right
hand corner. So I went to the DMV here in
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Arizona and I got my new license, but they didn't
take my old one. I still have it also, And
they even said, you don't even need to get this
if you don't want to, because you can use your passport.
So if you have a passport, you can use your passport.
Then I saw Ron Paul talk about this, and he said,
this ID goes way too far. It scans your retina,
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it takes your DNA, and this is all put on
a big, huge database. And the only thing I've ever
gotten so far from anyone and very remotely.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
That.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
It's supposed to prevent illegal aliens from being able to
vote because this one cannot be forged or duplicated so easily. Yeah, anybody,
anybody who gets a driver's license from all these states
that are auditioning out like Minnesota and California many others
are given illegal aliens driver's licenses that gets it makes
(27:09):
it real easy to go register to vote.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Our secretary of state here in Michigan, she's just giving them.
And there's been some investigations. I hope the Attorney General
Panbondi in the Justice Department look into. What we're hearing
now is that the documentation the things that some of
these folks here in the country illegally are supposed to
have in Michigan specifically and for the real id has
(27:34):
not been done and she's been lying about it. And
one of the things that folks are hoping and calling for, Sheriff,
is that there would be an audit done by the
federal government on this secretary of state. By the way,
sounds very familiar to Arizona. She's a radical leftist secretary
of state who's running for governor now and wants to
(27:55):
oversee her own election here coming up in twenty twenty six.
I wonder how well that's going to go.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
She already did it, Yeah, Katie Hobbs, she already did
it the first time she won. She was overseeing the
election at that time.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
They want to They want to do it in Michigan,
this time with Joscelyn Benson, our secretary.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
So wonderful. Does that make you feel all warm and fuzzy?
But but my Supreme Court case doesn't allow the federal
government to do this. But look, the federal government can
push it, and they want to, but do none of
the states have to participate with the real idea. Same
thing with deportation. I want to make this very clear.
(28:35):
No one can be arrested for not cooperating. Okay, The
states do not have to help. This is an assignment.
And Article four section four that the federal government is
responsible to protect our borders from invasion. They are required
to do that for every state. Okay, Article four section
four US Constitution. The states obviously can protect their own
(29:00):
which that was wrong when the state filed in Texas
to protect their own boarder. Whoever made that decision US
Supreme Court, Circuit Court, or district obviously doesn't know the Constitution.
The states are sovereign and they can protect themselves, especially
when the federal government refuses to do their job. So
(29:22):
but in my Supreme Court case, the order of the
court is very clear. The federal government may neither issue
directives requiring the states to address particular problems real id
nor command the states officers or those of their political subdivisions, cities, county,
(29:44):
school boards, anyone cannot be commanded by the federal government
to administer or enforce a federal regulatory program. So they
can't force this on the states. The states can go
long if they want to, and that's that's the real
problem here. Most of the states think they have to
(30:06):
bow down to the federal government. Trump, whoever was pushing this,
maybe just he gave it turned it over to Christy
Nolan to push. But this was a brainchild out of
the Patriot Act. It is not a good law. The
American people should be telling their states to refuse it.
But again, if you have a passport, you can refuse it.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
So you so you would recommend as you're traveling a
use of passport instead of the realm. Here's the weird thing.
I've had this. I've had this idea for years now,
had no idea. We had it back because you get
back and forth between here and Canada. They said, you know,
all you had to have was a special idea. Well,
I had no idea what we're getting.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
And now, now, have you ever seen anything official from
Christy Nomer or anyone why we're doing this?
Speaker 1 (30:56):
No? I mean, it's a good question. I I don't know.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
I'd like and know, but it does remind me of
back of those times where they were pushing this, and
I do remember it was, you know, post nine to eleven.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
It was Patriot Acts stuff.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
Interesting, actually it actually was pasting five oh five. Yeah,
and even Obama didn't really push it very hard. Biden
was talking about it. And and now why would Trump
even bother with this? I don't know, but I would
really like to show President Trump my lawsuit. I'm sure
he hasn't never heard about it. But it's the only
(31:32):
time in history where a sheriff sued the federal government
and won. And folks, I highly recommend it to you.
Get these out to your politicians. They're all available at
my website. It shows my hand on it like this
in the picture, So look for my hand and this
little booklet because they're worth their weight in gold. It's
an it's extremely valuable of a miracle that happened in
(31:57):
our in our US Supreme Court.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
So three decades later talk about this and the importance
of it.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Well, it's the most important Tenth Amendment state sovereignty case
in the history of our country. And it's the only
time sheriffs in the federal government and one a major
landmark case and ruling at the Supreme Court. So put
all that together, you have one of the most important
cases in the history of our country. And so that's
(32:28):
the front of it. It has all the state flags
on it. Folks. You get three for five bucks, and
so you should get twenty or thirty. Pass them around
to your your county commissioners, your key, your governor, your
state reps, anyone else, and anyone in the freedom movement
needs to be reading this because, folks, this is such
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a miracle. If this had come out just a couple
of weeks ago, this would be they would be making
songs about this case. This would be screened from the mountaintops,
that this is now a break for the sovereign states
that we really are, and to understanderstand the principles of federalism,
(33:17):
the division of power between the federal government and the
state governments. That's what federalism is. And to see it
in writing, and to see the wonderful job that Justice
Scalia did here. This decision is a miracle that we've
all been praying for and it actually happened June twenty seventh,
nineteen ninety seven. So get these. I've got other books
(33:41):
that I really make some money off of. Okay, the
other books that I wrote actually makes seven or eight
bucks on them. This one fifty cents, So folks, I
don't care. I'm not trying to make money off of this.
I want you to make freedom out of this. This
is one of the best tools we have ever had.
And folks, look up the case, look up mac Vus,
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and look up the case. I went through it for
days and put it together in this little booklet. So
I hope I saved you a lot of time. But
do you want to do your own work?
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Do it?
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Sheriff Richard Max CSPOA dot org is the website cheerfully.
Appreciate you taking the time come on with us and
talk about these things, and again we'll have you back
when the time is right. But always always a pleasure
and appreciate everything you're doing.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
Save here. Thanks so much, Justin, And while you go
to the website, folks, join the CSPOA Posse is right there.
Cspo a dot org. We train you to work with
your sheriff and to help him form a posse and
you be a part of that. If we're working with
our sheriffs, we're going to win this. If we're not
(34:55):
involved in the process, it's not gonna work. But anyway, Justin,
thank you so much for having me. God bless you,
and God bless all the people that are on this
show you too.
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