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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, switching gears in a conversation, we want to
have Tom McMillan, who's with us right now. He's missioned
member of the Michigan State Ward of Education. You talk
about a little bit of controversy in the last few weeks, specifically,
they've they've seen it and recently, I guess really in
the last couple of years, we've seen education in the
(00:21):
focus really of parents get even more intense because of
what parents have noticed and seen happening in their schools,
and particularly since twenty twenty. Tom joins us. Now, Tom,
thank you so much for being here. We really appreciate
you taking the time.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Oh my pleasure.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Thanks justin So, let's let's kind of walk this, walk
through this in this this is an elected position, and
you really you have that. You have the left in
the right here, just like almost in every other situary
situation and Republicans and Democrats, and correct me if I'm wrong,
but you've got people really working through different agendas on
this school board and in in ways that I don't
(01:01):
think parents really realize. They kind of probably thought didn't
pay much attention to it previously, but kind of thought
if they did that it was sort of a nonpartisan
sort of a you know, these people care, they want
the best for our kids, but they're starting to find
out there's some things happening behind the scenes that you're
not so happy about, and you're right there in the
middle of it, trying to hold the line and do
(01:23):
the best for these parents and these kids right.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Justin Yeah, I mean there's eight people on the state board,
two Republicans, six Democrats currently, and you know the Democrats
really it is agenda. I mean, the union boss has
pretty much put them on there and they're beholding to them.
But then you get these radical left wing groups that
come in and kind of they've kind of captured a
lot of the Democrat party and you saw that on
(01:47):
display on Thursday. And with this approval of these standards.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Let's talk about the standards because they are like people
looking at this, you know, with their jaws on the floor,
pretty horrified by what they're saying, Oh, what was passing?
I know you did a lot of people reach out
and actually comment on this.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Yeah, I mean, you know, the procedure is in September,
the department said, okay, we crafted these with people that
helped us. We don't know who. The House Republicans actually
subpoenaed a lot to find out who who did the
crafting of this left wing stuff. But it went out
for public comment. It's formal. People fill out a form online,
they make comment. About twelve hundred people commented. Seventy eight
(02:31):
percent opposed these standards, and you know, that was about
a month of comment, public comment, and everybody can do that.
When they came back, they were virtually the same. They
didn't remove any of the problematic parts that people had,
and they actually added I mean, you know, we're replacing
standards from two thousand and seven that were fourteen pages long.
(02:55):
These that we just passed that I voted against obviously
are seventy four pages long. So you know, it's just
chock full of liberal you know, diatribes that we can
go into. But yeah, there's that was the process that
we got a lot of public comment. The vast majority
of Michigan ors do not think that boys should be
able to play in girls' sports and being girls locker
(03:17):
rooms and bathrooms and this. These standards teach that as
though it's a fact that boys can become girls, and
I you know, it's incredible.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
It's so unthinkable, and it's not right versus left anymore.
It's literally we're talking about common sense and reality based
versus fantasy and just radical ideology here. And it's one
of the things you just mentioned, you know, obviously boys
becoming girls, et cetera. But the other one is Tom
McMillan now with the Michigan State Board of Education with
us right now. But this is age of talking about
(03:47):
the age of when these kids should be educated about,
you know, sex ed reproduction, things of that nature, and
even some things that are thin not the socks off
a lot of adults.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Right, I mean, yeah, yeah, you got eight eight year
olds learning about reproductive health, which you know, that's kind
of they're gonna be talking about abortion to eight year olds.
You know, eleven year olds are supposed to be taught
that they can they have the right to maintain their
own health. So they're going to be pushing back against
parents saying, hey, you know, I just learned that I'm
supposed to be the final say on this stuff. Got kindergarteners,
(04:23):
you know, being told that you've got to make sure
that your family is conserving energy. You know, Mom, I
can't take a bath because we're going to be wasting water.
You know, it's a lot of advocacy and like you said,
there's a lot of sex education stuff in there, justin
I mean, you know, there's it's really a sexification of
our kids. You know, there are health standards in the
(04:45):
statutes and the laws that say, you know, mental health
and dental health, vision health, nutrition, these kind of things
that are standard. Those things are mentioned only one hundred
and fifty one times in these standards, and yet gender
and sex are mentioned two hundred and fifty three times.
So it's just a it's a you know, they're just
really kind of sexist, kind of captured them and they
(05:06):
really want to you know, sex. You know, the sexification
of these kids is really troubling.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
It's just disgusting. It's despicable to think that this is
the type of thing that's happening, and you've got to
stand up and fight against it as you what can
the average parent do. You know, Look, my dad was
a teacher for forty years. My wife's grandmother, she just
passed this year, is ninety eight. She was a teacher,
She was a principal. I think she was one of
the first female superintendents in the State of Michigan. So
(05:36):
we've got like this education running through our veins, and
we've got two little girls that we look at, go
how can we possibly send our kids to public schools
with all of this mess happening? And that to me
is it's it's sort of depressing. It's just downright sad.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Yeah, I mean, you know they want to do the
statewide now for those who are active within their community.
You know, there is if they're going to teach sex
education and this gender ideology and other inappropriate things, they're
supposed to have a sex Education Advisory Board and that's
by law to be made up of at least half
(06:15):
parents and clergy, and so they can request to get
on that board and really kind of help decide what
those what's going to be taught. Also, by law, parents
are required to are the schools required to give notification
to parents if any of these topics of sex education
are taught are going to be taught, And so you know,
(06:37):
there's no but although during the hearing I found out
that and I press them on this, there's no repercussion.
There's you know, no penalty if they don't let parents know.
And I think we need to change that in law.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Tom McMillan with us right now. He's a member of
the Michigan State Board of Education. Folks are watching these
things play out, obviously being more far more involved in
this whole process of who gets in and how these
these ideologies are presented, and and and and fighting back.
(07:12):
These are all pieces. But you know, it's it's one
of those sames time always say. It's like, yeah, what
happens in DC is important, but what happens right in
your own backyard has a far greater significance a lot
of time.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
No, you're right, and so yeah, you can definitely get involved.
And it wouldn't just be parents, I mean, it's grant,
should be grandparents, it should be people that don't have
kids in the system, because you know, I mean, these
are our future leaders are being indoctrinated in this stuff.
And you know, while Europe is turning away from this
transgender ideology, you know, you know, I think Michigan tries
(07:45):
to be like California. The Democrats want that in many ways,
and so you know, they try to they put this
in in the standards. But we can certainly fight at
the local level. And also the elections are coming up
justin as you know, and and much of this can
be rolled back in statue by legislators and a governor.
So this is really an impetus and a clarion call
to make sure that everybody gets involved in next year's elections.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
You know, very good point. Tom McMillan with us right now,
State Board of Education. I said that as important as
twenty twenty four in the elections were for this country,
I believe twenty twenty six is going to be the
same for the state. I really do. I think it's
going to be critical that we all get out and
that we get involved, and that we make sure that
(08:30):
we restore this sort of sanity. And that's where I
think the polls of the people is right now. Anyway,
is that stating, let's bring that back to the State
of Michigan in a number of different ways. So we
appreciate when you come back and let us know as
you have developments on this and various other things, keep
us updated on what's going on there. Board.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Absolutely, we're not going away. This is you know, we
got to everybody needs to stay engaged. We lost this
little fight, We're going to win the war in the
long run. So Let's keep fighting.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Tom McMillan, Michigan State Board of Education. Where can folks
stay up to date with you online? Tom?
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Well, I mean I do have a Facebook page, you
you know there I have if you searched on Facebook.
I'm kind of an older guy, so I don't. I'm
not into the other avenues. But really Facebook, you know,
State Board of Education member, you'll find me there you go.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
We'll make sure that we put that up on our
stack today. Thank you, Tom, appreciate your hard work home
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Less anytime justin thank you too,
All right, switching gears in a conversation, we want to
have Tom McMillan, who's with us right now. He's missioned
member of the Michigan State Ward of Education. You talk
about a little bit of controversy in the last few weeks, specifically,
they've they've seen it and recently, I guess really in
the last couple of years, we've seen education in the
(00:21):
focus really of parents get even more intense because of
what parents have noticed and seen happening in their schools,
and particularly since twenty twenty. Tom joins us. Now, Tom,
thank you so much for being here. We really appreciate
you taking the time.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Oh my pleasure.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Thanks justin So, let's let's kind of walk this, walk
through this in this this is an elected position, and
you really you have that. You have the left in
the right here, just like almost in every other situary
situation and Republicans and Democrats, and correct me if I'm wrong,
but you've got people really working through different agendas on
this school board and in in ways that I don't
(01:01):
think parents really realize. They kind of probably thought didn't
pay much attention to it previously, but kind of thought
if they did that it was sort of a nonpartisan
sort of a you know, these people care, they want
the best for our kids, but they're starting to find
out there's some things happening behind the scenes that you're
not so happy about, and you're right there in the
middle of it, trying to hold the line and do
(01:23):
the best for these parents and these kids right.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Justin Yeah, I mean there's eight people on the state board,
two Republicans, six Democrats currently, and you know the Democrats
really it is agenda. I mean, the union boss has
pretty much put them on there and they're beholding to them.
But then you get these radical left wing groups that
come in and kind of they've kind of captured a
lot of the Democrat party and you saw that on
(01:47):
display on Thursday. And with this approval of these standards.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Let's talk about the standards because they are like people
looking at this, you know, with their jaws on the floor,
pretty horrified by what they're saying, Oh, what was passing?
I know you did a lot of people reach out
and actually comment on this.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Yeah, I mean, you know, the procedure is in September,
the department said, okay, we crafted these with people that
helped us. We don't know who. The House Republicans actually
subpoenaed a lot to find out who who did the
crafting of this left wing stuff. But it went out
for public comment. It's formal. People fill out a form online,
they make comment. About twelve hundred people commented. Seventy eight
(02:31):
percent opposed these standards, and you know, that was about
a month of comment, public comment, and everybody can do that.
When they came back, they were virtually the same. They
didn't remove any of the problematic parts that people had,
and they actually added I mean, you know, we're replacing
standards from two thousand and seven that were fourteen pages long.
(02:55):
These that we just passed that I voted against obviously
are seventy four pages long. So you know, it's just
chock full of liberal you know, diatribes that we can
go into. But yeah, there's that was the process that
we got a lot of public comment. The vast majority
of Michigan ors do not think that boys should be
able to play in girls' sports and being girls locker
(03:17):
rooms and bathrooms and this. These standards teach that as
though it's a fact that boys can become girls, and
I you know, it's incredible.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
It's so unthinkable, and it's not right versus left anymore.
It's literally we're talking about common sense and reality based
versus fantasy and just radical ideology here. And it's one
of the things you just mentioned, you know, obviously boys
becoming girls, et cetera. But the other one is Tom
McMillan now with the Michigan State Board of Education with
us right now. But this is age of talking about
(03:47):
the age of when these kids should be educated about,
you know, sex ed reproduction, things of that nature, and
even some things that are thin not the socks off
a lot of adults.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Right, I mean, yeah, yeah, you got eight eight year
olds learning about reproductive health, which you know, that's kind
of they're gonna be talking about abortion to eight year olds.
You know, eleven year olds are supposed to be taught
that they can they have the right to maintain their
own health. So they're going to be pushing back against
parents saying, hey, you know, I just learned that I'm
supposed to be the final say on this stuff. Got kindergarteners,
(04:23):
you know, being told that you've got to make sure
that your family is conserving energy. You know, Mom, I
can't take a bath because we're going to be wasting water.
You know, it's a lot of advocacy and like you said,
there's a lot of sex education stuff in there, justin
I mean, you know, there's it's really a sexification of
our kids. You know, there are health standards in the
(04:45):
statutes and the laws that say, you know, mental health
and dental health, vision health, nutrition, these kind of things
that are standard. Those things are mentioned only one hundred
and fifty one times in these standards, and yet gender
and sex are mentioned two hundred and fifty three times.
So it's just a it's a you know, they're just
really kind of sexist, kind of captured them and they
(05:06):
really want to you know, sex. You know, the sexification
of these kids is really troubling.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
It's just disgusting. It's despicable to think that this is
the type of thing that's happening, and you've got to
stand up and fight against it as you what can
the average parent do. You know, Look, my dad was
a teacher for forty years. My wife's grandmother, she just
passed this year, is ninety eight. She was a teacher,
She was a principal. I think she was one of
the first female superintendents in the State of Michigan. So
(05:36):
we've got like this education running through our veins, and
we've got two little girls that we look at, go
how can we possibly send our kids to public schools
with all of this mess happening? And that to me
is it's it's sort of depressing. It's just downright sad.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Yeah, I mean, you know they want to do the
statewide now for those who are active within their community.
You know, there is if they're going to teach sex
education and this gender ideology and other inappropriate things, they're
supposed to have a sex Education Advisory Board and that's
by law to be made up of at least half
(06:15):
parents and clergy, and so they can request to get
on that board and really kind of help decide what
those what's going to be taught. Also, by law, parents
are required to are the schools required to give notification
to parents if any of these topics of sex education
are taught are going to be taught, And so you know,
(06:37):
there's no but although during the hearing I found out
that and I press them on this, there's no repercussion.
There's you know, no penalty if they don't let parents know.
And I think we need to change that in law.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Tom McMillan with us right now. He's a member of
the Michigan State Board of Education. Folks are watching these
things play out, obviously being more far more involved in
this whole process of who gets in and how these
these ideologies are presented, and and and and fighting back.
(07:12):
These are all pieces. But you know, it's it's one
of those sames time always say. It's like, yeah, what
happens in DC is important, but what happens right in
your own backyard has a far greater significance a lot
of time.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
No, you're right, and so yeah, you can definitely get involved.
And it wouldn't just be parents, I mean, it's grant,
should be grandparents, it should be people that don't have
kids in the system, because you know, I mean, these
are our future leaders are being indoctrinated in this stuff.
And you know, while Europe is turning away from this
transgender ideology, you know, you know, I think Michigan tries
(07:45):
to be like California. The Democrats want that in many ways,
and so you know, they try to they put this
in in the standards. But we can certainly fight at
the local level. And also the elections are coming up
justin as you know, and and much of this can
be rolled back in statue by legislators and a governor.
So this is really an impetus and a clarion call
to make sure that everybody gets involved in next year's elections.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
You know, very good point. Tom McMillan with us right now,
State Board of Education. I said that as important as
twenty twenty four in the elections were for this country,
I believe twenty twenty six is going to be the
same for the state. I really do. I think it's
going to be critical that we all get out and
that we get involved, and that we make sure that
(08:30):
we restore this sort of sanity. And that's where I
think the polls of the people is right now. Anyway,
is that stating, let's bring that back to the State
of Michigan in a number of different ways. So we
appreciate when you come back and let us know as
you have developments on this and various other things, keep
us updated on what's going on there. Board.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Absolutely, we're not going away. This is you know, we
got to everybody needs to stay engaged. We lost this
little fight, We're going to win the war in the
long run. So Let's keep fighting.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Tom McMillan, Michigan State Board of Education. Where can folks
stay up to date with you online? Tom?
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Well, I mean I do have a Facebook page, you
you know there I have if you searched on Facebook.
I'm kind of an older guy, so I don't. I'm
not into the other avenues. But really Facebook, you know,
State Board of Education member, you'll find me there you go.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
We'll make sure that we put that up on our
stack today. Thank you, Tom, appreciate your hard work home
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Less anytime justin thank you too,
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