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Speaker 1 (00:00):
First, let's do some Tech Talk tech into the latest
in tech and how it affects you and your world.
This is Tech Talk Tuesday on Wood Radios West Michigan Live.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Our good friend Trent. Can they be standing by with
the latest footable, affordable eyestore Linke Michigan Drive and stand
down Ground or tech Always at Pleasure and AI at
the forefront of our conversation. Today we're going to get
into AI in the military, at the Pentagon, AI in
the classroom, and AI in your kids' hands. Parents, you
gotta I want you to be engaged on this because
(00:34):
this is something that is so important that you may
not understand yet. Like guarantee your kids they're gonna get
taught about this. They're gonna get introduced, could be in
just a matter of weeks in the classroom. And I
need you to understand what's happening, even even right now. Trent. Welcome.
I appreciate you taking the time to be here with
us today.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Yeah, good morning, Justin.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Let's start with the Pentagon story. This is kind of interesting.
Groc who is the AI for x Elon Musk And
you'll hear more about Grock here in just a moment.
But Grock had an interesting, interesting moment last week, and
I guess that's putting it lightly. And just after that
(01:15):
moment last week where things seem to go a little
bit hey whire, we get this story today that Groc
will be used by the Pentagon at some point. They're
going to bring this technology. And now I don't know
exactly what it'll be used for. We don't necessarily have
that story, but Groc will be introduced at some point,
(01:40):
and the Pentagon just announced it.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
AI chat boc Grok is coming to Tesla vehicles by
next week, just days after the bought unleashed an anti
semitic rant on his social media platform x Yeah. So
that announcement comes hours after Musk unveiled the latest iteration
of the chatbot, called Croc four. All right, so Musk says,
the new version is quote the smartest AI in the world.
(02:06):
So I want to bring in Sarah Friar tex.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
So first and foremost, there's a lot to unpack here.
What do we what's going to happen at the Pentagon,
do we know?
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Yeah, justin good morning.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
Yes, this is unprecedented because this is the first time
that this is publicly available and just to make it clear,
this is not just the Pentagon. This is being released
from the General Services Administration, So that means any government entity,
any government agency, will have acts to the access to
this again through some subscription, through some additional costs, or
(02:45):
some sign up, but it's available to any government agency
if it's from the General Services Administration, so I, r S, FBI, CIA,
or any other you know, drain Commission, whatever you name it.
If it's a federal agency, it has access to the system.
So as far as the Pentagon goes, just an AI
is the ultimate tool to gather information, to gather intelligence.
(03:08):
AI can can scour the internet, can can read scan
data better than any other system available. So this is
unprecedented territory because it really blurs the line for for
US citizens between what is legal UH non warranted UH
(03:29):
tracking or monitoring or information gathering. And then where does
court ordered information gathering come from.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
UH.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
In the past, if you wanted wire tapping or other things,
you had to get a court order and there's a
legal process for that. Now with AI, it can gather
this information so easily that it really blurs the traditional
line of where is the right of privacy?
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Where?
Speaker 5 (03:56):
Where does that government, UH court ordered information come from UH,
it's just completely unknown territory. Because this is such a
powerful tool.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Let me stop you try. It's not just Depentagon. The
I R S wants to use this too. They want
to do audits with this technology, and that might that
might be a good way to do it. I don't
know if I want a AI accountant working for me. H,
maybe a human checking everything that the AI did. But
(04:25):
essentially this is this is where they're headed. And I
don't know if there's anything to stop them.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
Yeah, justin I don't know if there is anything to
stop it. And it's like I said, it's so easy
for AI. I mean already, if you're selling stuff on eBay,
the I R S has a statement that that you have.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
To file from your EBA sales.
Speaker 5 (04:43):
I mean, what's next, Facebook, Marketplace, Craigslist, your groad sale.
You know, that's where AI has the ability to give
them that information. And every time the government had some
easy way to compile that information to use it to
to tax you, they've done that.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
So I don't know.
Speaker 5 (05:00):
Maybe the Trump administration will handle this differently, but they're
sure not slow to release this technology on the government agencies.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
All right, So what happened last week when it came
to AI and Grock kind of going off the rails
a little bit. It sounds like there was there were
all kinds of interesting things that were posted online last week,
anti Semitic comments, etc. That posted up there, and it
just crazy, sort of like it was a crash out
(05:31):
the kids call it these days, but it will meltdown
of epic proportions of the AI.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
Yeah, so justin so, there's a lot of news about this,
but really what happened is is people were chatting with
GROC and they were chatting about, you know, events that
happened like the Texas flooding, things that were very emotional,
catastrophic things that were a large People were saying comments
online about it of who caused this or how this happened,
and they asked Rock these questions. And this is something
(05:59):
that the boundaries of guardrails from recent updates have been lowered,
and so GROC was basically being very candid and saying
things without any heart, without any feeling, without any emotion,
that we're very offensive, that we're very wrong, and it's
because it's not a human it's trying to participate in
political discussions, very emotional discussions, and it just has no
(06:22):
ability to do that. It's very poor at that, and
so people were very upset. And I'm glad that some
of these things come out, because we have to remember
that even if AI is polished, it still has major
issues when dealing with politics, with dealing with evil people
like Hitler. It doesn't fully understand the scope of that,
and it's a hard time interacting with people that way.
(06:45):
And that is something to be aware of because when
AI is used elsewhere and it's relied upon for things
that are personal that are political, we need that human perspective.
Computers cannot process that.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Wait till AI starts making this on who who lives
and who dies. I mean, I can guarantee, like places
like Canada where they're already starting to set up the
youth in Asia and some of those other things, that
they'll they'll use this. Hey, I know that Sunds do
them and gloom and that's sort of like science fiction
and whatnot, But this right here is not. They are
(07:22):
bringing AI into the classrooms and your kids are going
to get a hold of it if they haven't already
done so. Shortly and maybe just in a matter of weeks.
In fact, it'll be in schools. The kids may have
already been using it themselves if it wasn't, you know,
formally introduced to them, and that comes with a whole
other list of questions and concerns from parents.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
It sounds like, yeah, just a University of California proved
AI to be used for all their students, paid for
the subscription over a half a million dollars. And that's
at a college level obviously, So it's not that teach
are afraid of it or colleges aren't afraid of it,
where they sort of should be because people are using
this to cheat on stuff, but they're actually encouraging and
(08:08):
providing the use for us and in lower grades. This
is something that Microsoft and others are working together to
get this into the classroom set and get this technology
available to students. And again, just getting it available to
the students is one step. The next step is where
it's actually used. So there are incredibly good uses of
this AI where a virtual teacher can help somebody who's
(08:30):
a special need student who struggles with learning, it can
quickly figure out what the best way to teach a
young person some basic math. I mean, I think that's
a good use of it. You know, social studies, you
know things like that. That's where it could get off
the rails. But there's certain math and sciences at algebra
and geometry that some students have a hard time grasping
(08:50):
in their minds, and AI can quickly kind of figure
out which way is the best way to teach that
way that they can learn efficiently and make it fun
and interesting. And so there's some good uses for AI
in that respect.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Trent, can there be affordableized store Lake Michigan Drive and
stand there? What about kids turning to AI for friendship?
This is the latest story that if you're a parent,
you know you're watching your kids go on social media.
You think of one thing I got to be concerned
about is what they might see on the internet there,
But what about who they're talking to? And I'm not
talking about strangers, I'm talking about AI. We've already seen
(09:25):
some really questionable things. It was a guy in sixty
Minutes the other day. They had a show where he's
having a relationship with an AI chat bot that's essentially
set up as a character for him as a girlfriend.
And I just can't imagine the emotional damage or stunting
that it might do to the development of kids if
(09:48):
they've developed so much of a relationship. I've asked questions
even just as like Siria on my phone, and my
daughter who's four, thought that was so cool. At times
you say, let's ask the robot this, let's ask the
robot that, and I go, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no,
(10:08):
Now we're not doing that anymore. The robot's sleeping, honey,
it's taking a nap. But this has got to be
I think concerning to a lot of parents here and
then and maybe just sudden they don't even know what's
coming yet.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Yeah, justin This is the thing with AI.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
There's a lot of good tools with it that we
talked about with teaching are certain things, but when it
comes to the relationship side, when it comes to the
personal side, AI is not a human being. Human beings
are designed and meant to be there for each other,
to help each other, and that's something that AI can't do.
It's also too the scariest part about AI is it's
(10:46):
constantly changing and evolving. So if there's a model that's
your quote unquote friend, and then the AI changes in
your friend changes, and that's because of whoever is programming
and writing the Eye, because of political reasons, and now
your friend changes. It's just it's a strange thing. So
I think the key is Jesse talked about your kids,
and it's talking to the robot. I think that's the key.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Justice.
Speaker 5 (11:07):
As long as we can instill into our children that
it is a robot, it is not a human being,
maybe that will help with some of those common sense
guardrails to say, hey, we need relationships with real people
that have meaning and value in lifelong relationships versus a
robot that's ever.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Changing, ever evolving and not a real thing.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Yeah. I can't imagine what that ends up being like
at some point. AI. By the way, the one story
of the day that I thought might be kind of
interesting AI and a sixties inspired band. People didn't know,
but they were kind of I guess they were sort
of fooled by it. The Velvet Sundown is the name
(11:48):
of the group. The Velvet Sundown confirmed Saturday. It's viral
success powered by artificial intelligence. Now, I have yet to
hear a song Trent that from a that I've heard
several but nothing that I've heard yet that that is
to me obviously, AI, you know that it's okay, this
(12:10):
is this is clear, this is this is not you know,
this is not man. You know this is not somebody
wasn't behind this. There's no soul in it. And as
a matter of fact, I'll pull a clip up and
maybe we can play some of it later. But I
just thought this was interesting. This is just another example
of what they're doing with AI and what it could
(12:33):
be on the way.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
Yeah, justin if you look at the progression of this
over the last years, I mean, a couple of years ago,
the songs were so awful that you could you could
clearly tell. Now obviously they're getting to a point where
it is hard to tell unless you understand music and
have a good ear for it. It's going to come
to a point where you you won't have an ear
for it because it's going to be so good. But
on the other hand, like you said that that hard
(12:55):
and soul of music of what it communicates AI that uh,
and it's also going to hurt a lot of artistic expression.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
Short term, until people people realize that and that genre
gets separated, out's going to be an AI genre Spotify
at some point.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
This is the Velvet sundown. Dust on the wind it's
I can hear like a bit of Stairway to Heaven
in there. Wow, that's interesting.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Dust on the winds, on.
Speaker 5 (13:38):
The ground, smoking sky, no pace found?
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Is Is this a AI woke? Is this a woke band?
Speaker 1 (13:47):
To rivers run red the drums all?
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Also tell me, brother, where do E go?
Speaker 2 (13:58):
If I just heard that, I probably would be able
to tell you it was a I. That's that scary stuff. Trent,
thank you as always, Trent and Abby Affordable Ice Storm Lake,
Michigan drive in Standale and uh and I always uh
as always a pleasure. Grand River Tech as well. Thank
you my friend.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Thanks Justin, have a great day you too.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
God bless well.
First, let's do some Tech Talk tech into the latest
in tech and how it affects you and your world.
This is Tech Talk Tuesday on Wood Radios West Michigan Live.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Our good friend Trent. Can they be standing by with
the latest footable, affordable eyestore Linke Michigan Drive and stand
down Ground or tech Always at Pleasure and AI at
the forefront of our conversation. Today we're going to get
into AI in the military, at the Pentagon, AI in
the classroom, and AI in your kids' hands. Parents, you
gotta I want you to be engaged on this because
(00:34):
this is something that is so important that you may
not understand yet. Like guarantee your kids they're gonna get
taught about this. They're gonna get introduced, could be in
just a matter of weeks in the classroom. And I
need you to understand what's happening, even even right now. Trent. Welcome.
I appreciate you taking the time to be here with
us today.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Yeah, good morning, Justin.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Let's start with the Pentagon story. This is kind of interesting.
Groc who is the AI for x Elon Musk And
you'll hear more about Grock here in just a moment.
But Grock had an interesting, interesting moment last week, and
I guess that's putting it lightly. And just after that
(01:15):
moment last week where things seem to go a little
bit hey whire, we get this story today that Groc
will be used by the Pentagon at some point. They're
going to bring this technology. And now I don't know
exactly what it'll be used for. We don't necessarily have
that story, but Groc will be introduced at some point,
(01:40):
and the Pentagon just announced it.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
AI chat boc Grok is coming to Tesla vehicles by
next week, just days after the bought unleashed an anti
semitic rant on his social media platform x Yeah. So
that announcement comes hours after Musk unveiled the latest iteration
of the chatbot, called Croc four. All right, so Musk says,
the new version is quote the smartest AI in the world.
(02:06):
So I want to bring in Sarah Friar tex.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
So first and foremost, there's a lot to unpack here.
What do we what's going to happen at the Pentagon,
do we know?
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Yeah, justin good morning.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
Yes, this is unprecedented because this is the first time
that this is publicly available and just to make it clear,
this is not just the Pentagon. This is being released
from the General Services Administration, So that means any government entity,
any government agency, will have acts to the access to
this again through some subscription, through some additional costs, or
(02:45):
some sign up, but it's available to any government agency
if it's from the General Services Administration, so I, r S, FBI, CIA,
or any other you know, drain Commission, whatever you name it.
If it's a federal agency, it has access to the system.
So as far as the Pentagon goes, just an AI
is the ultimate tool to gather information, to gather intelligence.
(03:08):
AI can can scour the internet, can can read scan
data better than any other system available. So this is
unprecedented territory because it really blurs the line for for
US citizens between what is legal UH non warranted UH
(03:29):
tracking or monitoring or information gathering. And then where does
court ordered information gathering come from.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
UH.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
In the past, if you wanted wire tapping or other things,
you had to get a court order and there's a
legal process for that. Now with AI, it can gather
this information so easily that it really blurs the traditional
line of where is the right of privacy?
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Where?
Speaker 5 (03:56):
Where does that government, UH court ordered information come from UH,
it's just completely unknown territory. Because this is such a
powerful tool.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Let me stop you try. It's not just Depentagon. The
I R S wants to use this too. They want
to do audits with this technology, and that might that
might be a good way to do it. I don't
know if I want a AI accountant working for me. H,
maybe a human checking everything that the AI did. But
(04:25):
essentially this is this is where they're headed. And I
don't know if there's anything to stop them.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
Yeah, justin I don't know if there is anything to
stop it. And it's like I said, it's so easy
for AI. I mean already, if you're selling stuff on eBay,
the I R S has a statement that that you have.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
To file from your EBA sales.
Speaker 5 (04:43):
I mean, what's next, Facebook, Marketplace, Craigslist, your groad sale.
You know, that's where AI has the ability to give
them that information. And every time the government had some
easy way to compile that information to use it to
to tax you, they've done that.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
So I don't know.
Speaker 5 (05:00):
Maybe the Trump administration will handle this differently, but they're
sure not slow to release this technology on the government agencies.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
All right, So what happened last week when it came
to AI and Grock kind of going off the rails
a little bit. It sounds like there was there were
all kinds of interesting things that were posted online last week,
anti Semitic comments, etc. That posted up there, and it
just crazy, sort of like it was a crash out
(05:31):
the kids call it these days, but it will meltdown
of epic proportions of the AI.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
Yeah, so justin so, there's a lot of news about this,
but really what happened is is people were chatting with
GROC and they were chatting about, you know, events that
happened like the Texas flooding, things that were very emotional,
catastrophic things that were a large People were saying comments
online about it of who caused this or how this happened,
and they asked Rock these questions. And this is something
(05:59):
that the boundaries of guardrails from recent updates have been lowered,
and so GROC was basically being very candid and saying
things without any heart, without any feeling, without any emotion,
that we're very offensive, that we're very wrong, and it's
because it's not a human it's trying to participate in
political discussions, very emotional discussions, and it just has no
(06:22):
ability to do that. It's very poor at that, and
so people were very upset. And I'm glad that some
of these things come out, because we have to remember
that even if AI is polished, it still has major
issues when dealing with politics, with dealing with evil people
like Hitler. It doesn't fully understand the scope of that,
and it's a hard time interacting with people that way.
(06:45):
And that is something to be aware of because when
AI is used elsewhere and it's relied upon for things
that are personal that are political, we need that human perspective.
Computers cannot process that.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Wait till AI starts making this on who who lives
and who dies. I mean, I can guarantee, like places
like Canada where they're already starting to set up the
youth in Asia and some of those other things, that
they'll they'll use this. Hey, I know that Sunds do
them and gloom and that's sort of like science fiction
and whatnot, But this right here is not. They are
(07:22):
bringing AI into the classrooms and your kids are going
to get a hold of it if they haven't already
done so. Shortly and maybe just in a matter of weeks.
In fact, it'll be in schools. The kids may have
already been using it themselves if it wasn't, you know,
formally introduced to them, and that comes with a whole
other list of questions and concerns from parents.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
It sounds like, yeah, just a University of California proved
AI to be used for all their students, paid for
the subscription over a half a million dollars. And that's
at a college level obviously, So it's not that teach
are afraid of it or colleges aren't afraid of it,
where they sort of should be because people are using
this to cheat on stuff, but they're actually encouraging and
(08:08):
providing the use for us and in lower grades. This
is something that Microsoft and others are working together to
get this into the classroom set and get this technology
available to students. And again, just getting it available to
the students is one step. The next step is where
it's actually used. So there are incredibly good uses of
this AI where a virtual teacher can help somebody who's
(08:30):
a special need student who struggles with learning, it can
quickly figure out what the best way to teach a
young person some basic math. I mean, I think that's
a good use of it. You know, social studies, you
know things like that. That's where it could get off
the rails. But there's certain math and sciences at algebra
and geometry that some students have a hard time grasping
(08:50):
in their minds, and AI can quickly kind of figure
out which way is the best way to teach that
way that they can learn efficiently and make it fun
and interesting. And so there's some good uses for AI
in that respect.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Trent, can there be affordableized store Lake Michigan Drive and
stand there? What about kids turning to AI for friendship?
This is the latest story that if you're a parent,
you know you're watching your kids go on social media.
You think of one thing I got to be concerned
about is what they might see on the internet there,
But what about who they're talking to? And I'm not
talking about strangers, I'm talking about AI. We've already seen
(09:25):
some really questionable things. It was a guy in sixty
Minutes the other day. They had a show where he's
having a relationship with an AI chat bot that's essentially
set up as a character for him as a girlfriend.
And I just can't imagine the emotional damage or stunting
that it might do to the development of kids if
(09:48):
they've developed so much of a relationship. I've asked questions
even just as like Siria on my phone, and my
daughter who's four, thought that was so cool. At times
you say, let's ask the robot this, let's ask the
robot that, and I go, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no,
(10:08):
Now we're not doing that anymore. The robot's sleeping, honey,
it's taking a nap. But this has got to be
I think concerning to a lot of parents here and
then and maybe just sudden they don't even know what's
coming yet.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Yeah, justin This is the thing with AI.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
There's a lot of good tools with it that we
talked about with teaching are certain things, but when it
comes to the relationship side, when it comes to the
personal side, AI is not a human being. Human beings
are designed and meant to be there for each other,
to help each other, and that's something that AI can't do.
It's also too the scariest part about AI is it's
(10:46):
constantly changing and evolving. So if there's a model that's
your quote unquote friend, and then the AI changes in
your friend changes, and that's because of whoever is programming
and writing the Eye, because of political reasons, and now
your friend changes. It's just it's a strange thing. So
I think the key is Jesse talked about your kids,
and it's talking to the robot. I think that's the key.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Justice.
Speaker 5 (11:07):
As long as we can instill into our children that
it is a robot, it is not a human being,
maybe that will help with some of those common sense
guardrails to say, hey, we need relationships with real people
that have meaning and value in lifelong relationships versus a
robot that's ever.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Changing, ever evolving and not a real thing.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Yeah. I can't imagine what that ends up being like
at some point. AI. By the way, the one story
of the day that I thought might be kind of
interesting AI and a sixties inspired band. People didn't know,
but they were kind of I guess they were sort
of fooled by it. The Velvet Sundown is the name
(11:48):
of the group. The Velvet Sundown confirmed Saturday. It's viral
success powered by artificial intelligence. Now, I have yet to
hear a song Trent that from a that I've heard
several but nothing that I've heard yet that that is
to me obviously, AI, you know that it's okay, this
(12:10):
is this is clear, this is this is not you know,
this is not man. You know this is not somebody
wasn't behind this. There's no soul in it. And as
a matter of fact, I'll pull a clip up and
maybe we can play some of it later. But I
just thought this was interesting. This is just another example
of what they're doing with AI and what it could
(12:33):
be on the way.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
Yeah, justin if you look at the progression of this
over the last years, I mean, a couple of years ago,
the songs were so awful that you could you could
clearly tell. Now obviously they're getting to a point where
it is hard to tell unless you understand music and
have a good ear for it. It's going to come
to a point where you you won't have an ear
for it because it's going to be so good. But
on the other hand, like you said that that hard
(12:55):
and soul of music of what it communicates AI that uh,
and it's also going to hurt a lot of artistic expression.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
Short term, until people people realize that and that genre
gets separated, out's going to be an AI genre Spotify
at some point.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
This is the Velvet sundown. Dust on the wind it's
I can hear like a bit of Stairway to Heaven
in there. Wow, that's interesting.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Dust on the winds, on.
Speaker 5 (13:38):
The ground, smoking sky, no pace found?
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Is Is this a AI woke? Is this a woke band?
Speaker 1 (13:47):
To rivers run red the drums all?
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Also tell me, brother, where do E go?
Speaker 2 (13:58):
If I just heard that, I probably would be able
to tell you it was a I. That's that scary stuff. Trent,
thank you as always, Trent and Abby Affordable Ice Storm Lake,
Michigan drive in Standale and uh and I always uh
as always a pleasure. Grand River Tech as well. Thank
you my friend.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Thanks Justin, have a great day you too.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
God bless well.
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