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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Pastor Lorenzo's tools with us right now from one eighty Church,
and he's the guy that coined the term Middlemeta miracle.
I've seen him speak about it, talk about it. It
is fantastic. I absolutely love it. And the way you
tell that story is it's not just me, lots of
other people. In fact, I think the President himself also agrees,
because you spoke at the inauguration as well. So Pastor,
(00:24):
welcome in, by the way, justin thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
I'm a holy ghost.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Happy to be here with you and with all your listeners.
I am so grateful for what God is doing in
our country for such a time as this.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
You know, it really is incredible.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Like I just said off the airmy this guy came,
he went to ISRAELI did this piece. Still he's traveling
abroad getting all these things done down in the eyes,
crossing the t signing all the paper where then flies
back he means to the President of Argentina, and then
he does this ceremony for Charlie Kirk and his will.
It's just incredible to see the energy on this guy.
(00:59):
I know you I've seen that up close and personal.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
The standard that our president is setting is for every politician,
for every preacher and pastor, for every leader in America.
We have a very short time. As we've learned from
my good friend Charlie Kirk. And even as his CEO
said of turning Port, they said, it's not how long
the book is, right, Charlie Kirk would say these words,
it's about.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
What happens in the book. And so it is.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
God is writing a chapter in America. And my prayer
is that we would maintain the Maga momentum, that all
of us would take time to begin to understand that
God is truly making our country great again.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Amen, I love to say that I'm going to ask
you about this. One of the things we just saw
the other day. President Trump was speaking on a I
guess it was Air Force one, and the question was
whether or not he was going to be going to heaven.
And I don't I think it was Peter Deucy who
asked the question. And there's been a lot of talk
about this, and so in fact, you know what, let
(02:01):
me just let it. Let's you can let you hear
it from his mouth here, and I want you to
sort of translator, tell us what you think is happening.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
There be a little cute.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
I don't think there's anything going to get me in heaven. Okay,
I really think I think I'm not maybe heaven bound.
I maybe in heaven right now as we fly at
Air Force, but I'm not sure. Right I've been to
be able to make heaven, but I've made life a lot.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Better for a lot of people.
Speaker 5 (02:26):
And you know, as an example, had had the election
of twenty twenty not been rigged, you would have millions
of people living just in Russia Ukraine alone that would
have never happened. And it didn't happen for four years.
And I knew Putin very well. It was the apple
of his eye all the things I've said.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
So you've heard sort of this this, and to me,
there's I don't want to tell you what I think
is happening. I want to really ask you, but it's
I just thought it was kind of interesting, a lot
of back and forth on this, and I thought, at
least in myself, well at least there's a conversation about this.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
But what do you think it used to be President Trump?
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Yeah, the last time that Charlie Kirk and I were
with the President to lay hands on him in Georgia.
He asked me this question. He literally said, I hope
this gets me to heaven. What does this mean biblically,
it means that God has drawn him, the Holy Spirit
has drawn him.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
In terms of politically, he was right. The election was stolen.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
I have three court cases that were submitting of people
in my church. Case number one three one zero five
Melissa Loves she was voted for. Case number one three
zero eight eight Foudell Gibson, he had his vote switch
from in person to absentee, and case number one three
zero eight three Linda had her She had her vote.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Switch as well.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
So President Trump was right the election was stolen. He
came to my church. We have a living as Fidavid
Ramon Jackson. We are in the Court of last Resort.
We are in the Supreme Court right now, praying and
believing that our case is gonna be heard. Why because
we want the president to know it was Jesus Christ,
the Lord of All, the Savior, all the King of Kings,
(04:01):
that gave us our church the living affidavits to prove
that he was right, so that he can submit his
heart to Jesus, because he's the only one that can
save our constitutional republic.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
You know, I think it's a really interesting way to
look at it.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Pastor Lorenzo Sul's with us right now one eighty Church
dot CC, and of course Pastor from Detroit who will
be joining us. There's an event coming out we want
to tell you about so you can be there. It's
three different counties coming together, Alligan Berry and I own
you county and they're all getting together on the thirty
first for a masquerade ball Lincoln Day dinner.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
I've never seen anything like this before. I'll be him
seeing the event.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Congressman Molinar will be there, and Pastor Sewell will be
there as well. Speaking folks said you did not want
to miss this event. It's an event that I think
a lot of folks are going to really enjoy. I
just posted it on a line of details about how
to get the tickets. But Pastor, you know, to that
point about President Trump and what he said, there's interesting
that he's considering it, and I think essentially I hear
(05:02):
the translation is like, you know, no, none of my
works are gonna get me into heaven.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
And that to me sounds about Ryan. It sounds like
he kind of understands that part absolutely. I mean, can
you imagine this.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
We are living in the Golden Age of America. We
are living in a time that the leader of the
free world is talking about eternity. I just wrap our
minds around this. It's amazing. And this I've seen him
do it a private with me. I've seen him talk
obviously in public. And I believe every Christian needs to
(05:36):
be praying and seeking God, and I know many have
been praying and seeking God. That he gets baptized, I
believe it. And I'm going to baptize the President in
the name of the.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Father, the Son, in the Holy Spirit.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
I really do believe I am going to be baptizing
him once he confesses with his mouth, because I do
believe he believes in his heart that Jesus is the
only way to come to salvation.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Amen, Pastor Saul, you everything we've seen in the last
two days, and you just talked about some of this
historic moments with what's taking place with Israel and whatnot.
This is a president who's after peace, trying to get
these deals done.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
You know, what do you make of all this as
you watch it? As a pastor? I believe this is
the reason why God has blessed America.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
If somebody says, okay, Pastor Lo Rozzo, sul, give me
the theological understanding of why.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
God has blessed America. America is a very young country.
We know we're coming up on our two hundred and
fifty years.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
The reason I believe God is blessed America because America
is the remnant to keep Israel safe. I believe that
Israel is the place, that small piece of real estate,
that pata dirt, is a place that shows the world
that Jesus Christ is Lord. And I believe that it's us, Americans.
We are called to witness to the Jews so that
(06:52):
they can know that Christ is King. And it's happened practically,
it's happening through politics, and I am so holy ghost
happy to be a part of it. We're taking pastors
but to Israel the first week of December. My wife
and I we were there the last week of July.
We were praying against this Jehannah spirit. There is a
spirit that's trying to decimate our country.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
There's this anti.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Semitism that's being made manifest in people like Zoran a
Mom Donnie, people like Rashida Talib and others, they are
manifesting a spirit of anti Semitism. So we're pushing against
that because we know that God gave the Jews the covenants,
the commandments in the Christ and we believe that God
is going to use Gentiles but to bring our Jewish
brothers and sisters to the fullness of God by accepting.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Jesus as their Lord and savior.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Pastor Lorenzos, who will be with us on the thirty
first speaking at that big event that's going to happen.
If by the way, if you want tickets to find
out more about it, we'll put all of this up
online in the show notes today.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
But it's going to happen October thirty first.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
It's some masquerade ball with Alegan, Berry and Ionia Counties,
and that Congressman been Climbed will be there, Congressman John Mullinar,
Pastor Lorenzo Seul, and of course I'll be there as
the master of ceremonies. I think it's going to be
a great time to meet some of the candidates that
are running forgether, Secretary of State, Attorney General, et cetera.
It's going to happen in Shelbyville, Bay Point Woods, is
(08:16):
where this is going to take place. And I think,
like I said, this is going to be a fantastic
time to come out and hear more about some of
the great things that are happening and really encouraged by
these things in pastor you just mentioned some of those
things to be encouraged by.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
One of the things I always like to say when
i'm you know, when I'm on the.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Air every day, no matter what the news, no matter
what the headlines, I say, look, the good news is
that God is still on the throne. I think we're
seeing that play out in many different ways, as you
just pointed out, and so folks have lots of things
to be very excited about here.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
I mean, we ought to be thankful.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
God has blessed America, our whole testimony in America as
a testimony.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
About Jesus's love. I mean, can you imagine.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Our forefathers, all the way wars that we've went through
in terms of the Revolutionary War, the Civil War, and the.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
War War one, World War two.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
God has sovereignly put his hand on this country. We
are God's own country. We are one nation under God.
I believe every American should wake up and begin to
praise God for his goodness, his mercy, and his grace.
And in three weeks we have an election here in Detroit,
and there are many other municipal lesson elections. If you
want to show God how much you love your country,
(09:29):
you have an opportunity to vote.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Now.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
In about three hundred.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
And eighty sumid days, we have the mid terms happening,
and in one thousand and one hundred and approximately twenty days,
we will be picking a new president. If we want
to show God how much we love this country and
how grateful we are for this country, we not only
need to pray with our mouth, but we need to
pray with our legs by going into the ballot box
and voting our values so that we can keep this
(09:54):
country great.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Pastor Lorenzo, So, I guess I'd like to ask you
a couple more questions, but we're out of time here today.
I'm just thinking maybe these are stories we'll have to
hear when you speak coming up at the event on
October thirty first. But what that was like, given the
invocation and praying at the inauguration, that must have been
absolutely incredible.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
I mean nothing like it. I've never prayed in a
rotunda before. I never even looked up in the rotunda.
It was almost as if I was joining with the
prayers of the patriarchs and the matriarchs. And we'll talk
about it when I see you coming up here shortly.
But man, I got to tell you to be able
to seek the face of God up under the auspices
of the speech and the prayer of doctor Martin Luther King,
(10:40):
and to see the assassination of Charlie Kirk, knowing that
God is going to take with the devilment for evil,
He's gonna work it out for good. And I'm believing
that right now that God is raising up Joseph's and Daniels,
He's raising up those who are nee Mayas and Esthers.
I believe God is raising up people that have I
have political prowess that understand that the Church is the
(11:03):
only hope of America, and America.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Is the only hope for the world.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
And if we do our part as believers, God will
do his part for his glory, for his honor, and
for his praise.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Yes, Todamen, boy, I tell you I'm.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Ready to go back to church again with you.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
On October thirty first, at the event pastor, thank you
so much for taking the time to be here with
us as always,
Pastor Lorenzo's tools with us right now from one eighty Church,
and he's the guy that coined the term Middlemeta miracle.
I've seen him speak about it, talk about it. It
is fantastic. I absolutely love it. And the way you
tell that story is it's not just me, lots of
other people. In fact, I think the President himself also agrees,
because you spoke at the inauguration as well. So Pastor,
(00:24):
welcome in, by the way, justin thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
I'm a holy ghost.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Happy to be here with you and with all your listeners.
I am so grateful for what God is doing in
our country for such a time as this.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
You know, it really is incredible.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Like I just said off the airmy this guy came,
he went to ISRAELI did this piece. Still he's traveling
abroad getting all these things done down in the eyes,
crossing the t signing all the paper where then flies
back he means to the President of Argentina, and then
he does this ceremony for Charlie Kirk and his will.
It's just incredible to see the energy on this guy.
(00:59):
I know you I've seen that up close and personal.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
The standard that our president is setting is for every politician,
for every preacher and pastor, for every leader in America.
We have a very short time. As we've learned from
my good friend Charlie Kirk. And even as his CEO
said of turning Port, they said, it's not how long
the book is, right, Charlie Kirk would say these words,
it's about.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
What happens in the book. And so it is.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
God is writing a chapter in America. And my prayer
is that we would maintain the Maga momentum, that all
of us would take time to begin to understand that
God is truly making our country great again.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Amen, I love to say that I'm going to ask
you about this. One of the things we just saw
the other day. President Trump was speaking on a I
guess it was Air Force one, and the question was
whether or not he was going to be going to heaven.
And I don't I think it was Peter Deucy who
asked the question. And there's been a lot of talk
about this, and so in fact, you know what, let
(02:01):
me just let it. Let's you can let you hear
it from his mouth here, and I want you to
sort of translator, tell us what you think is happening.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
There be a little cute.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
I don't think there's anything going to get me in heaven. Okay,
I really think I think I'm not maybe heaven bound.
I maybe in heaven right now as we fly at
Air Force, but I'm not sure. Right I've been to
be able to make heaven, but I've made life a lot.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Better for a lot of people.
Speaker 5 (02:26):
And you know, as an example, had had the election
of twenty twenty not been rigged, you would have millions
of people living just in Russia Ukraine alone that would
have never happened. And it didn't happen for four years.
And I knew Putin very well. It was the apple
of his eye all the things I've said.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
So you've heard sort of this this, and to me,
there's I don't want to tell you what I think
is happening. I want to really ask you, but it's
I just thought it was kind of interesting, a lot
of back and forth on this, and I thought, at
least in myself, well at least there's a conversation about this.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
But what do you think it used to be President Trump?
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Yeah, the last time that Charlie Kirk and I were
with the President to lay hands on him in Georgia.
He asked me this question. He literally said, I hope
this gets me to heaven. What does this mean biblically,
it means that God has drawn him, the Holy Spirit
has drawn him.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
In terms of politically, he was right. The election was stolen.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
I have three court cases that were submitting of people
in my church. Case number one three one zero five
Melissa Loves she was voted for. Case number one three
zero eight eight Foudell Gibson, he had his vote switch
from in person to absentee, and case number one three
zero eight three Linda had her She had her vote.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Switch as well.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
So President Trump was right the election was stolen. He
came to my church. We have a living as Fidavid
Ramon Jackson. We are in the Court of last Resort.
We are in the Supreme Court right now, praying and
believing that our case is gonna be heard. Why because
we want the president to know it was Jesus Christ,
the Lord of All, the Savior, all the King of Kings,
(04:01):
that gave us our church the living affidavits to prove
that he was right, so that he can submit his
heart to Jesus, because he's the only one that can
save our constitutional republic.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
You know, I think it's a really interesting way to
look at it.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Pastor Lorenzo Sul's with us right now one eighty Church
dot CC, and of course Pastor from Detroit who will
be joining us. There's an event coming out we want
to tell you about so you can be there. It's
three different counties coming together, Alligan Berry and I own
you county and they're all getting together on the thirty
first for a masquerade ball Lincoln Day dinner.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
I've never seen anything like this before. I'll be him
seeing the event.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Congressman Molinar will be there, and Pastor Sewell will be
there as well. Speaking folks said you did not want
to miss this event. It's an event that I think
a lot of folks are going to really enjoy. I
just posted it on a line of details about how
to get the tickets. But Pastor, you know, to that
point about President Trump and what he said, there's interesting
that he's considering it, and I think essentially I hear
(05:02):
the translation is like, you know, no, none of my
works are gonna get me into heaven.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
And that to me sounds about Ryan. It sounds like
he kind of understands that part absolutely. I mean, can
you imagine this.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
We are living in the Golden Age of America. We
are living in a time that the leader of the
free world is talking about eternity. I just wrap our
minds around this. It's amazing. And this I've seen him
do it a private with me. I've seen him talk
obviously in public. And I believe every Christian needs to
(05:36):
be praying and seeking God, and I know many have
been praying and seeking God. That he gets baptized, I
believe it. And I'm going to baptize the President in
the name of the.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Father, the Son, in the Holy Spirit.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
I really do believe I am going to be baptizing
him once he confesses with his mouth, because I do
believe he believes in his heart that Jesus is the
only way to come to salvation.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Amen, Pastor Saul, you everything we've seen in the last
two days, and you just talked about some of this
historic moments with what's taking place with Israel and whatnot.
This is a president who's after peace, trying to get
these deals done.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
You know, what do you make of all this as
you watch it? As a pastor? I believe this is
the reason why God has blessed America.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
If somebody says, okay, Pastor Lo Rozzo, sul, give me
the theological understanding of why.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
God has blessed America. America is a very young country.
We know we're coming up on our two hundred and
fifty years.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
The reason I believe God is blessed America because America
is the remnant to keep Israel safe. I believe that
Israel is the place, that small piece of real estate,
that pata dirt, is a place that shows the world
that Jesus Christ is Lord. And I believe that it's us, Americans.
We are called to witness to the Jews so that
(06:52):
they can know that Christ is King. And it's happened practically,
it's happening through politics, and I am so holy ghost
happy to be a part of it. We're taking pastors
but to Israel the first week of December. My wife
and I we were there the last week of July.
We were praying against this Jehannah spirit. There is a
spirit that's trying to decimate our country.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
There's this anti.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Semitism that's being made manifest in people like Zoran a
Mom Donnie, people like Rashida Talib and others, they are
manifesting a spirit of anti Semitism. So we're pushing against
that because we know that God gave the Jews the covenants,
the commandments in the Christ and we believe that God
is going to use Gentiles but to bring our Jewish
brothers and sisters to the fullness of God by accepting.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Jesus as their Lord and savior.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Pastor Lorenzos, who will be with us on the thirty
first speaking at that big event that's going to happen.
If by the way, if you want tickets to find
out more about it, we'll put all of this up
online in the show notes today.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
But it's going to happen October thirty first.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
It's some masquerade ball with Alegan, Berry and Ionia Counties,
and that Congressman been Climbed will be there, Congressman John Mullinar,
Pastor Lorenzo Seul, and of course I'll be there as
the master of ceremonies. I think it's going to be
a great time to meet some of the candidates that
are running forgether, Secretary of State, Attorney General, et cetera.
It's going to happen in Shelbyville, Bay Point Woods, is
(08:16):
where this is going to take place. And I think,
like I said, this is going to be a fantastic
time to come out and hear more about some of
the great things that are happening and really encouraged by
these things in pastor you just mentioned some of those
things to be encouraged by.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
One of the things I always like to say when
i'm you know, when I'm on the.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Air every day, no matter what the news, no matter
what the headlines, I say, look, the good news is
that God is still on the throne. I think we're
seeing that play out in many different ways, as you
just pointed out, and so folks have lots of things
to be very excited about here.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
I mean, we ought to be thankful.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
God has blessed America, our whole testimony in America as
a testimony.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
About Jesus's love. I mean, can you imagine.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Our forefathers, all the way wars that we've went through
in terms of the Revolutionary War, the Civil War, and the.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
War War one, World War two.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
God has sovereignly put his hand on this country. We
are God's own country. We are one nation under God.
I believe every American should wake up and begin to
praise God for his goodness, his mercy, and his grace.
And in three weeks we have an election here in Detroit,
and there are many other municipal lesson elections. If you
want to show God how much you love your country,
(09:29):
you have an opportunity to vote.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Now.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
In about three hundred.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
And eighty sumid days, we have the mid terms happening,
and in one thousand and one hundred and approximately twenty days,
we will be picking a new president. If we want
to show God how much we love this country and
how grateful we are for this country, we not only
need to pray with our mouth, but we need to
pray with our legs by going into the ballot box
and voting our values so that we can keep this
(09:54):
country great.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Pastor Lorenzo, So, I guess I'd like to ask you
a couple more questions, but we're out of time here today.
I'm just thinking maybe these are stories we'll have to
hear when you speak coming up at the event on
October thirty first. But what that was like, given the
invocation and praying at the inauguration, that must have been
absolutely incredible.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
I mean nothing like it. I've never prayed in a
rotunda before. I never even looked up in the rotunda.
It was almost as if I was joining with the
prayers of the patriarchs and the matriarchs. And we'll talk
about it when I see you coming up here shortly.
But man, I got to tell you to be able
to seek the face of God up under the auspices
of the speech and the prayer of doctor Martin Luther King,
(10:40):
and to see the assassination of Charlie Kirk, knowing that
God is going to take with the devilment for evil,
He's gonna work it out for good. And I'm believing
that right now that God is raising up Joseph's and Daniels,
He's raising up those who are nee Mayas and Esthers.
I believe God is raising up people that have I
have political prowess that understand that the Church is the
(11:03):
only hope of America, and America.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Is the only hope for the world.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
And if we do our part as believers, God will
do his part for his glory, for his honor, and
for his praise.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Yes, Todamen, boy, I tell you I'm.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Ready to go back to church again with you.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
On October thirty first, at the event pastor, thank you
so much for taking the time to be here with
us as always,
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