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Speaker 1 (00:00):
He to strap any It's going to be a heck
of a riot. It's like drinking from a fire hose.
Never a dull moment. But yes, you'll hear the stories
you won't hear anywhere else, and we'll appreciate you being
here with us form today. I'm justin Barclay.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
You know.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
President Trump trying to fix lots of problems, and in
the first six months he's gotten a lot done, but
none of it matters, None of it holds unless we
fix just one, one single Now they all they all
matter together, don't hear what I'm not saying here. But
at the same time, if we do not fix the
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way our elections are run, the safety, the security, the
integrity around it all, then none of it matters because
the next time around, somebody else will come in and
undo it all. In fact, that's starting here with the
midterms in twenty twenty six. It's very important because if
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we don't get these elections secure, if we don't maintain
the transparency, the accountability around it all, then the Democrats win.
They're back in office in the in Congress, and they
could start impeachment proceedings and start to tear down everything
that the President Trump has been up to. So all
of that is why we set the scene here. By
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the way, we've got some big breaking news. We're going
to get through some of those updates. Pat Kulbeck, former
Michigan State Center. He's been in this fight over the
years and want to make sure we brought you back
on because I've seen some big things happening and I
want to give a chance because people are very concerned.
It's another big I said this earlier, but there's a
bunch of these spokes of the wheels of the platform,
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policies of what got President Trump elected. Any number of
them would have been like enough to do the job,
each of them all together making America healthy again, and
some of these all of that and I'm by their own,
but you put them all together, and I think folks
really want to make sure they stay updated on all
of them. And that's what we are here with election integrity.
So welcome in, Pat, And I know you got breaking
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this against some big things that are going on right
now as we speak.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Well, first of all, I want to echo what you
said at the beginning. The reason why I and so
many other what I call meddling kids, they're focused on
election integrity is because that is our voice. And if
you want your voice to matter on key issues like abortion,
the budget, the border, whatever it may be, you need
to make sure that that voice is preserved, secured, and
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respected by the people that are making policy decisions supposedly
on our behalf. So that's why I'm so focused on
this particular topic. And you're alluding to some breaking news
that's going to be coming out here. There's all these
meddling kids been waiting for the ultimate perplunk stick on
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all the election fraud that's going to be exposed all
at once, and we get the investigation of twenty twenty,
all that good stuff, and it's just coming out in
drips and drips and drips. So I'm telling you today
from my sources, there's something big that's happening in DC.
It may leak out today, but most likely it's going
to hit the news cycle next week. But just it's
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all the efforts that everybody's been working on to go
off and expose what's really happening in our elections. It
looks like it's about to pop in a very very
big way. But stay tuned, we'll see how it unfurls,
if you will.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
I love hearing that. At the same time, you know,
I know other people listening going I'm frustrating. I just
want to see action here.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
You know, Hey, I've been doing this for five years,
and for the first three years with zero compensation on it.
So I'm getting very impatient because I'm one of those
folks that's not getting any younger here, And since I
liquidated all my assets to run for our all retirement
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assets to run for office, I'm anxious to get back
into a position where I can actually, you know, restock
those coffers. And election integrity is not But without election integrity,
my future is not secure. Your future is not secure.
Nobody else's futur is sicure. So we gotta bat down
the hatches first. So yes, I'm very anxious to get
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this nailed down, but you gotta do it right or
I'll sit the house at cars. This is going to
fall back on us.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Hey, let's start with the latest that's come out in
the last week or so. By the way, there's a
lot of stuff we already we've known for a while,
but we got smoking gun evidence found in burn bags
and secret rooms at the FBI I mean, you couldn't
write this how crazy some of this stuff is. But
it's true that Hillary Clinton and some of the folks Obama, Clapper, Brennan, coming,
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all these people that sat around together in the White
House at one point and cooked up the scenario essentially
to attempt to who on President Trump after he was elected,
but even before as a campaigned as the nominee. This
was election. This was a threat to our election, integray
to democracy whatever they like to talk about that all
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the time. This is exactly what they accuse others of doing.
And it happened in real time. We've got the evidence
that documents are coming out. And to your point is,
as we look at some of these things and start
to get the truth about this, what do you make
of some of these big stories?
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Wellson, pitch is a grand conspiracy. And the way I
frame it is that on one side of the equation,
you've got President Trump. What's his tagline for his campaign,
It's make America great Again. On the other side of
the equation, what do you have You have, mister, we're
five days away from fundamental transformation of America. Well, that's
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what they set out to do, and what we're seeing
right now. Why you're seeing so much conflict between the
folks behind that coup that you're referencing and Donald Trump
is because he is hitting the reset button on all
the garbage that they've injected into our country when they
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started that fundamental transformation. And that's really kind of how
it frames it for me. It's the fundamental transformation of
America versus make America great again. And and I am
unashamedly part of the make America great Again faction, if
you will.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
This is this is and I don't think it's ever
been more clear of what we're up against. The accountability,
how we're starting to get this information like this. I
think this is the first part of it is the
American public has to be made aware. We've known this,
but it's pockets of people, you know, small numbers have
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known this. Now we've got the actual evidence and documentation.
That's a whole other piece of this, but fuller broader
public needs toll that this happened.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Yeah, they keep them, but they've been deliberately making sure
that we couldn't get the word out to people. Like
you said, we've had this information for quite some time.
This has been difficult broadening the audience of people that
would actually be able to hear it. And they had
an organization called the Election Integrity Partnership that was essentially
a ministry of truth for election topics. They and this
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isn't me saying this, this is the United States Congress.
The Weaponization of Government Committee did an investigation on that group,
the weapon on the Election Integrity Partnership, which featured SISA,
that Global Engagement Council, the EI ISAAC Center which is
ran by the Center for Internet Security. It involved big tech,
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big media, these universities that you may have seen in
the news, like Stanford and Harford, Harvard, all these folks
were involved in an effort to make sure nobody heard
about any of this. And by the way, they had
a sister project that did the same thing on COVID
called the Virality Project. That's why nobody heard about it.
But you know what it's getting out now. And I
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would submit that if you look at President Trump's action
since day one, the first time he got out that pen,
you know, the real pen, not the auto pen, to
sign those executive orders, he was systematically targeting all the
key stakeholders in that election Integrity partnership. That's why we're
able to talk about this cis gone. Their contract has
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no longer been renewed. Global Engagement Council Marco Rubio, Secretary
of State, got rid of that gone SISSA. One of
his executive order from President Trump is targeting specifically Chris
Krebs and an investigation of sissa's role in the twenty
twenty election. So he is systematically using that as the
equivalent of the most wanted list you find up at
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the post office and checking them off with his executive actions.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Hey, walk me through this pad. What how are these
organizations in some of the things that we've been hearing
about too over the last six months, like USAID and
some of the funding that went went to these places
because you know, you just mentioned some of the ways
that they were stopping the word from get I mean,
we were blocked on Facebook, on YouTube, taken down. I mean,
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they were a number of us that that were just
for asking questions or talking about or sharing stories that
were that were factual about it. How are these agencies,
these organizations, how are they funded?
Speaker 2 (09:31):
You're funding them, I'm funding them through taxpayer dollars. Uh So,
the Center for Internet Security was actually funded. They're the
ones who created this so called Misinformation Reporting Portal. So
whenever somebody like me says the machines are connected to
the Internet, they capture that as an incident, a misinformation
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incident according to them, and that gets converted into the
four AM talking point by all their quote unquote fact checkers.
And so that money came from federal tax dollars funding
SISA and Department of Homeland Security, who in turn contracted
out with this NGO, this non government organization called the
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Center for Internet Security, and those guys were the ones
running the Misinformation Reportal, and they would coordinate all the
communications with all the other entities in that stakeholder group
for the election Integrity Partnership and so like big Tech,
big Media, all those guys. That's that's where this all
came down. And and I so that's part of the
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funding stream that's going on. Obviously there's many tentacles on
all this, but ultimately come down to this network of NGOs,
non government organizations that are funded through quasi government organizations
like USAID and UH and UH you know, that's that's
where a lot of this money comes from. I there's
a really good website if you want to tap into
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the funding sources and political disposition of all these NGOs.
It's called influencewatch dot org. You go to influencewatch dot
org and it'll get you more than enough information to
get you schooled up on who these ngo, who's behind
these ng os? Where are they getting their funding? So
it's a great way of answering the question you asked,
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how are these guys getting funded? Go to that influence
watch dot org and it's a great way to start. Pat.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
You you had posted something about this is just the
other day on your on your feet over on X
by the way, always a good follow PJ kolbec over
there for the the latest when whenever the news breaks,
you're gonna hear it and end up from Pat. But
this goes along with what you were just talking about. Uh,
and they're the cyber side of things. This ties into
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another story which I think is kind of interesting. Uh
in the I where was this? You're trying to use
paper ballots Arkansas. Yeah, and there's something wild happening out
and ARCO. So we'll talk about that coming up here
in just a little bit. But to me, this is
the easiest way to write things at this point, I
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think you could do a couple of simple things that
maybe you could add to this. But look, I'd love
to see paper ballots in small precincts. Decentralize all of this.
You can count them and get it all done in
one single day. It's your neighbors that are are taking
part in this, maybe you're even involved in it. It's
easier to watch then all of that. By the way,
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no use of any machines of any sort need to
be used there. Then when you're done collecting all that, uh,
those those things can be easily tracked. Maybe you put
serial numbers. I've heard all kinds of things like that.
As ideas that would help keep things. I would even
I would even go as far as to say we
can have an election day where we all get a
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day off and we go we go vote together. I
don't care. I just want to see the I want
to see the influence out of this. I want to
see the centralized Well what makes it so easy to
to uh just unplug everything? I think that's the easiest
way to do it. But do you tell me? And
what am I missing here?
Speaker 2 (13:15):
I think you're on the right track. I mean, hand
counts of paper ballots is where we need to be.
The idea of a single election day is where we
need to be, and anything beyond that has been designed, frankly,
to push more and more opaqueness into our election processes.
When you think about it mail in ballots, you know
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there's a lot of third parties involved in those transactions
that you don't see. When when you think about electronic
voting systems, you don't get the peak behind the curtain
of those tabulators and see how they're actually tabulating the votes.
When you do, you get somebody like Jonathan Brader at
the Michigan Bureau of Elections that goes off and by
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the criminal wor to get your remove from office.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Didn't we just have some testimony from him. He just
admitted something big the other day, didn't he?
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Oh yeah, he just perjured himself. By my account comparing
the testimony, there's at least seven counts of perjury. So
Jonathan Brader is Michigan Bureau of Elections. He actually decided
to target the clerk of Adam's township, Stephanie Scott, great
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clerk and except that she was asking inconvenient questions for
Jonathan Brader like, why is it that the number of
test ballots doesn't change even though the number of ballot
measures changes from election to election. She started asking about
internet connectivity and the machines being connected to the internet. Well,
Jonathan Brader didn't like that and took steps to actually
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have her removed from office, even though by state law
only the governor can remove a clerk from office, and
that didn't happen. And so what he did is got
to remove from office. And then later because she brought
in a forensic expert to examine the machines, they decided
to press criminal charges against her against Attorney Stephanie Lambert
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also Matt the Perno, I think was involved in that
as well, and it was a whole rigmarole. So in
the grand jury testimony of Jonathan Brader regarding you know
that led to the indictment against the Perno and Lambert
and Scott the which Braider was very confident in his
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assertions that everything he was doing was by the book
and just enforcing the law. But recently out in Hillsdale
County in the actual pre trial hearing related to those
indictments that came out of the grand jury, Brader had
something that was exposed to something that he wasn't exposed
to in the grand jury testimony. He was exposed to
cross examination, and so he was called out on as
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h that he was just merely enforcing the law, because
it turns out he wasn't. He was enforcing instructions by
the Secretary of State, and you tell him all up.
There's at least seven counts of perjury in his testimony,
and that led to an indictment against the clerk for
Adams Township, former clerk, Stephanie Scott, who's facing twenty years
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in prison for what Brad is claiming she did. So
this is a big deal. They're they're weaponizing government against
people that are acting on our best interest in our
best interests.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
And it proves also that Benson and what she was
doing behind the scenes again breaking the law once again.
And what's what's wild is in this state. And I
know you've been up close and personal with it in
Arizona too, but they're trying to run the same playbook
here again in Michigan as a Secretary of State, Joscelyn
Benson will oversee her own election as governor, and that
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to me, I don't know. You get any more. You see,
you should never be a appearance. Yeah, but that's to me,
I honestly, how you make that work at all?
Speaker 2 (17:07):
No, And and keep in mind, and it's something I
exposed Dring my testimony before the Michigan House a couple
of weeks back. Joscelyn Benson is on record her own
attorney in the Johanalan v. Benson case testified that Joscelyn
Benson only follows the laws that she agrees with. This
is the chief election official of the state, and she
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issues directives to local clerks like township clerks like Stephanie Scott,
county clerks like Vicky Bishop up Bantrum County, et cetera,
throughout the state. And when those clerks receive those directives,
those instructions, they're assuming that they're lawful. And what we're
finding out is Benson has no respect for the law.
And she actually during this court hearing, her attorney said, yeah,
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she only follows the laws that she agrees with, and
if you don't like that, you can sue her. That
is not what we need.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
And that's incredible.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
And then what happens if you push back and you
start asking inconvenient questions. Well, that's what happened to Stephanie
Scott's She faced criminal indictments as a result of her
trying to and execute her duties of office. So we're
dealing with organized crime in the state. I hate to
say it that way, but it Jocelyn Benson, Jonathan Braider,
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and then frankly Dana Nessell looking the other way whenever
these complaints are brought to her attention. There is a
lack of, you know, respect for the rule of law
across the board in our state government right now. The
bright spot, of course, is at our Michigan House and
there's subpoenas that they're issuing and the fact that they're
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providing the oversight of the executive branch that the judicial branch.
Law enforcement's just kind of turning a blind eye to
right now in the state except for Dara Darleief is good.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Former armer centator. Hear Michigan Pat callback with this.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Right now.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
You know, Pat I had another question and had just
kind of escaped. Oh well, yeah, you know, she's broken
the law all these times. Michigan Secretary of State, is
there any is there any investigation from the federal because
we've been hearing about some of this that that might
take place, and I know they're looking at some of
the issues that she's got. What are they talking about,
(19:29):
I know behind the scenes, maybe even privy to more.
But how did they come in as a federal government
and really dig in and can they do that with her?
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Yeah? They can and and frankly, we tried at the
state level to get some criminal investigations going and we
were told talk to the hand by Dana Nessel. Remember,
we filed some criminal complaints against Dominion CEO John Paulis
for perjury during his testimony before the Michigan Senate and
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then culture investigation of that that was ignored effectively by
Dana Nessel. Technically what she's after five days she said
she performed a thorough review of our fifty one page complaint.
I did fully requests afterwards at Vali data. She had
no report for her thorough review and none of her
communications dealt with the material cited in the complaints. So
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she just said talk to the hand. So we let
the federal authorities know about that. I can tell you
that I've also filed criminal complaints with federal authorities for
Benson and for Justice Bolden related to the bribery what
certainly appears to be bribery. I gotta be careful on
how I say that I'm alleging bribery when she gave
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when Benson gave eighty two five hundred dollars to the
Campaign for Justice Bolden right before Bolden issued a favorable
opinion in favor of Benson, and another criminal complaint against
Nessel actually for WillFull neglected and fraud in her response
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to the requests for investigation of John Poulis. So there
are criminal investigations that have been requested, and they've been
submitted to the folks in the federal government, and there
are provisions in federal law that allow for residents of
a given state to sue their state elected officials under
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federal law for Malfe's and twaw in office. And that's
in the future queue right now. Right now, we're just
asking for some criminal investigations.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
I know Pat wants to wants to give you a
shot to help support everything. Obviously, we want to make
sure that people know where to stay up to date
with you, where to follow along with some of these
updates and help in your efforts. So I give folks
a chance to do that here in just a little bit. Also,
there's some VIPs and a Freedom family that have some
questions that want to get those questions answered. First, you
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want to go to our saw where we just mentioned
they tried. They actually tried to do this. This is
sort of a perplexing situation. They tried in Arkansas one
County particularly, they wanted to move to all paper ballots,
and they are they're under attack right now.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Yeah, very much so for the audacious act of actually
listening to their constituents back in twenty twenty three. I
think it's called the Quorum Court. That's their legislative body
of their county office holders in Searcy County, Arkansas, which
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is just southeast of Branson, Missouri, across the border from
Missouri into Arkansas. They got about eight thousand people that
live in this county and they said, you know what,
we think it's a good idea to get rid of
these electronic voting systems. We don't trust them. We're going
to go to handcount and they the county Commission, if
you will, legislative body, decided to go off and do
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that by six or te vote. And this is primarily
a Republican county. So the election commissioners promptly started putting
together a plan to go off and do just that
and execute a handcount. They did that for the twenty
twenty four primary. Well, the folks in the Arkansas state government,
once again Republican controlled, immediately passed the law. I mean,
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I think if I recall correctly, they actually called an
emergency session to do this, passed the law requiring that
all elections be conducted with electronic voting systems, which makes
no sense at all because these machines not only are
they not transparent, they've got security vulnerability after security vulnerability.
And so they actually then went the next step and
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actually took punitive action against the election commissioners in Searcy
County and pushed to have them banned from public service
for a period of no less than fourteen years for
the egregious act of implementing a handcount system. Now, the
background on this is that they said that because they
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had leased improperly a one hundred dollars video one hundred
dollars video equipment, that it was a case of being influenced.
The video equipment was purchased so that they could record
the actual handcount process and make sure there's no Shenanigan's
going on the state. Actually, the state Board of Election
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Commissioners for Arkansas actually cited their lease agreement for this
video equipment as an example of malfeasons by these election
commissioners in serious county, and they're using as a basis
for banning them from public service for fourteen years. So
that's how ridiculated it's gotten in Arkansas. They're actually trying
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to improve transparency and it doesn't get any more explicit
than this and saying when they actually, you know, the
tools that they're using for transparency are now unlawful, these
video cameras, and they're going to be held accountable for
letting voters know exactly how their votes are counted.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Unbelievable. You can't make this stuff up. And again, you
and I talked about this earlier, but this is this
is a Republican stamp as a red state.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Yeah, not good. And you see that in Michigan. I
mean there's a big divide with Republican lawmakers. I mean
even when I testified, you know, one of the representatives
kind of was saying, Hey, I don't see what's wrong
with machines. We have them all over the place. It's
a and and it is ubiquitous. The idea of using
electronics systems like your mobile phone, everything is ubiquitous everywhere.
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But what people don't realize are the security vulnerabilities associated
with that. Now that you know that, I'm a certified
Microsoft Small Business Specialist and and uh, Unfortunately, once you're
red pilled on these on these technologies and you understand
how they're use and more importantly, how they can be misused,
you don't get as comfortable with running elections that decide
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who the leader of the free world is going to be.
When using these machines, you need transparency and these electronic
voting systems provide zero transparency.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
We keep an eye on this story as it continues
to develop. And again Pat mentioned big news coming this
next week. Looking forward to hearing some of that. Pat
in the days ahead. We'll keep an eye on that too.
Anything else that you think that we ought to know
about before I get the questions, or anything that's top
of mind for you.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Well, everybody wants the Orange jumpsuites, right, they want the indictment.
And I'm going to echo something Folks like Dan Bongino
and others have been saying, please be patient. It's been
six months. The biggest cesspool in the federal government, arguably
what's the Department of Justice, and that is slowly getting
cleaned out. It's not percent clean, but it's getting clean
(27:02):
enough that we can start toying around with what the
President called for a special prosecutor. We're starting to get
to that point. Same thing with the FBI. There's a
lot of corruption inside the FBI, but obviously there's at
least one guy that, regarding those burn bags on the
Duram Durham annex, that said, hey, guys, I'll take care
of these burn bags for you. Don't worry, We'll have
(27:24):
a bonfire. You guys go have fun celebrating. You're attempted too,
and I'll take care of things for you. And obviously
he just put them in a closet and left them
there without burning them. So there are some good guys
still left in these organizations, and now they're getting an
opportunity to shine. They're getting an opportunity to be whistleblowers
without being punished. And I just asked you to be
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patient on that front.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Yeah, you know, I kind of I have to have
to work on that on a daily basis too, But
I do there is a part of me that feels like, Okay, patients,
this that Rome wasn't built in day in America wasn't
destroyed in the day either. They're trying their best, so
we've got to fight back. It's going to take time,
and I know in this dan age we want to
see instant results, but there's a lot of stuff we
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can see happening behind the scenes.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
I can say with one hundred percent certainty is that
there are a lot of wheels in motion and they're
all headed in the right direction. And I would submit
that I've had the privilege of getting certain information to
some very high ranking officials in Washington, DC, and I
have seen at least half of the numerous actions that
I've requested executed and implemented. So they are moving. And
(28:37):
I will also assert to you that there's a reason
why Trump has his mug shot on the outside of
the Oval office. He has not forgotten what these guys
have done. He also knows that once he gets out
of office, if he doesn't fix this now and hold
these people accountable now, they're going to go after him
like the dickens after he gets out of office, not
just him, but his whole family. So trust me, he's motivated.
(29:01):
He's gotten incentive to make sure that we clean up
the swamp once and for all.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
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Speaker 2 (29:34):
Running from office?
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Yeah?
Speaker 2 (29:38):
No, I number one thing is I got to be called.
And when Angie and I decide to run for Michigan
State Senate, it was definitely a very clear message from
God to say, get off your keys, turn run for office.
When we're in for governor, we're feeling a similar call.
I'm not feeling any of those other calls right now,
(29:59):
and frankly, God hasn't opened up any doors to help
make that happen, particularly from a funding perspective. I mean,
I just start off the top of the hour. You know,
we were I'm getting to that retirement age and we
have to find retirement funding. And when you run for office,
(30:19):
it's not just about having enough money for campaigns and
marketing ads. You need enough money to keep the lights
on at home. And we're just not in that position.
But I appreciate the thought.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Yeah, I think people want to see more folks like
you involved. And well, I'll tell you that is if
if God has called you, he will.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Make a way.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Absolutely, So don't don't by the way. And Pat's called
to be where he is right now, so you never know,
there may be something else down the road. Terry says,
we come a long way from there where from there's
no internet on our voting machines to where we are
now thanks to Pat and Mike Lindell for at least
the last five years and more for your hard work.
(31:01):
So he says, thank you for that. Yeah, we have.
I mean, if you imagine just kind of consider how
far we've come from. No, no, no, that's not connected
to do well. Yeah, and where are we now?
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Yeah, it's been pretty amazing journey. And it's not just me.
I'm just a face of it for a lot of
the meddling kids that are working that are database experts,
that are doing foyer requests, that are pulling all this
stuff together. It's just that I started speaking out after
the twenty twenty election on what I saw and people
just started throwing information at me in the firehouse and
(31:37):
I had to package it and get it back out
to people. So there's a lot of folks that are
working very hard on getting the message out and a
lot of them are listening to you. Justin so and frankly,
justin you're one of those meddling kids because one of
the fronts in this war that we're facing is the
information war, and you're providing a mechanism to get that
message out.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Look, I I just feel called. I think we're all
doing what we're supposed to do. And by the way,
that's how this stuff gets fixed. And we all do
what we're called to do, then we can we can
write the ship. We can turn things around.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Uh parts one body.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
And Sanker says, our precinct consists more than five thousand
people in Michigan. Those numbers have been counted previously by
hand on paper ballots for decades. You know, we can
probably do that very easily. There's no reason to be
using those machines, he says, nope.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Well, notice one of the things that the Democrats did,
one of the first things they did when they got
back in power, was to increase the size of precincts.
So it used to be capped at twenty nine hundred
and ninety nine. I think now it's up to nine
hundred and ninety nine because they want to make it
more difficult to do the hand counts. So you know,
we've got to go back to smaller precincts. I mean,
(32:48):
no more than a thousand would be ideal. And precincts
are that basic building block of our elections. If you
have high integrity precinct results, then then you have high
integrity roll ups at the municipal, at the county, at
the state level for all your respective races. And they
know that, and that's why they're going the exact opposite
(33:10):
direction what we need for integrity.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Any of that. On Tina Peters, there was a question
in here on her earlier out in Colorado.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Yeah, Harry, the Greek put out an interesting article recently.
If you go to nakedtruth dot Com, and he posited
that the federal government is pursuing designation for Tina Peters
as a whistleblower, thereby allowing them to put her under
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federal protection witness protection from folks like Jenner Griswold in Colorado.
And if that were the case, that would give the
federal government an out to pull her out of prison,
put her under protective custody effectively as she awaits her
appeal in her for her sentencing. Right now, she's facing
(34:03):
nine years in prison. She's a sixty nine year old
gold gold Star mother and who was actually doing her
job much like we were talking about with Stephanie Scott
Tina Peters. Is you know what they did to Tina Peters?
Is what Jooncelyn Benton wants to do to Stephanie Scott
here in the state of Michigan.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Hey, just to clarify, is it nakedtruth dot news? Is
that his.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Scroll down a little bit there?
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Okay, yeah, there we gouse. I put it nakedtruth dot com.
And I'm telling you, folks, you don't probably want to
google around on that one.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
We don't.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
We don't know what might pop up, but I try
to do that as we're on the air here and
pull this stuff up there. That's that's not what we
want to make sure. So this is the story. Can
the fed spring Tina Peters? That's the story there.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Yeah, And everybody's scrambling for different ways and to get
her out because she should not be in prison. I
mean it was you look at her trial, you look
at the jury instructions issue by that judge. It's just
it was really bad. So anyway, we'll see, we'll see
(35:11):
where it goes from there. But I suffice to say
there are people trying to take every possible avenue they
can to get her out of prison. Frankly, if Governor
Polis from in Colorado gave her a pardon, that's the
fast pass to it. But he's a Democrat and he's
acting on behalf on behalf of those that want to
(35:34):
keep our elections as opaque as possible. So anyway that
we want her out.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
There, you have it. And by the way, again this
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Influence watch is another one, influencewatch dot org. But I
know folks want to support you and Mike as well,
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I said, from day one. What's the best way folks
can help support you. Whether it's getting the news out,
(36:27):
you know, following you on X, maybe it's a donating
a few bucks here or there. What's the best way they.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Can help well, help Mike. I mean, I'm essentially working
part time now for Mike. I was full time but
cut back after all of his the financial hits you
is taking, so we've if you go to Lindell Plan
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the fight. And then also mike Lindell Legal Defense Fund
(36:52):
dot com. So those are a couple of different ways
you can go off and help him and uh and
you know, from informed, I don't know about you justin,
but I think Twitter or X is probably one of
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supported by source documentation that I've seen anywhere. It blows
(37:16):
away anything that I've seen from local media. Frankly, in
many cases, your show being the exception. I mean, radio
is really the only path where we have to get
out the truth. And these podcasts now open up a
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see that on the nightly news anymore. So I just
I think X has become the new news stream. Frankly,
you know, I think you're right.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
There's a lot to be said from that. We continue
to make sure that we're passing the stuff, whether it's
on acts or different platforms. Staying connected is so important.
I get one more question for you before I let
you go, and I think it comes from Judy, who
was asking you sort of addressed as a moment ago.
But I can just give you a moment, an opportunity
for some encouragement. Judy says, Pat, do you feel that
(38:09):
more and more people are burnt out and tired and
are stepping back from getting involved with anything. She says
she feels that way. What encouragement would you have for that?
I know you've mentioned a couple of big things as
far as stories that are coming out in the next
week or so. We continue to see little pieces of hope,
some glimmers there. But what else, I mean, what keeps
(38:32):
you in the fight? Maybe that's the best question.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Well, just go to the top of my ex feed
and you'll find out what keeps me in the fight.
It's yeah, Psalm thirty seven and said, don't be anxious,
don't fret when evil people succeed in their ways, because
ultimately the righteous will inherit the land. I'm paraphrasing, but ultimately,
you know, this is not about what I want. Trust me,
(38:59):
this is not what I want to be doing. It's
about what I feel called by God to do. And
when you get in that mode where you're just doing
what you believe God's calling you to go off and
do and equipping you to do, I mean, let's look
at this. The rare blend of skills that He's given me,
or experiences that He's given me put me where I
(39:21):
am right now. For this particular moment. So this is
kind of like esther right for such a time as this.
I'm a techie with the the IT background, engineer, problem solver.
I've got the political experience. I understand how policy and
legislation's made. I was serving on the Election Integrity Committee
in the Senate when I was in there. That's a
(39:43):
very rare blend of skill sets, which means effectively that
I'm not an expert in anything, but I have a
very broad set of experiences and skill sets. So I
believe God's got me a right where he wants me.
And that's the kind of confidence that I need to
keep on going each and every day and and anyway,
constantly ask for guidance and I'm and I'm definitely looking
(40:05):
for him to say, you get to move on to
something else. Trust me, I want to about something else,
but right now this is where He's got me planted.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
Well, always a pleasure, Pat, Thank you for the update.
We'll stay on top of it next week. Maybe if
we do have that breaking music, you can pop back
on the air and give us an update when when
it does come out. And uh, in the meantime, we'll
continue to support Thank you so much for sharing this again. Folks,
It's lindell off is It Offense fund dot org and
then Mike Lindell uh Legal Defensefund dot com. We'll put
(40:38):
those links up as well so you can get it.
And then Pat is Pjkollbeck over on X. Always a pleasure,
my friend. Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
Great to be with you justin thank you for all
your assistant to getting the word out.
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
You know.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
President Trump trying to fix lots of problems, and in
the first six months he's gotten a lot done, but
none of it matters, None of it holds unless we
fix just one, one single Now they all they all
matter together, don't hear what I'm not saying here. But
at the same time, if we do not fix the
(00:42):
way our elections are run, the safety, the security, the
integrity around it all, then none of it matters because
the next time around, somebody else will come in and
undo it all. In fact, that's starting here with the
midterms in twenty twenty six. It's very important because if
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we don't get these elections secure, if we don't maintain
the transparency, the accountability around it all, then the Democrats win.
They're back in office in the in Congress, and they
could start impeachment proceedings and start to tear down everything
that the President Trump has been up to. So all
of that is why we set the scene here. By
(01:25):
the way, we've got some big breaking news. We're going
to get through some of those updates. Pat Kulbeck, former
Michigan State Center. He's been in this fight over the
years and want to make sure we brought you back
on because I've seen some big things happening and I
want to give a chance because people are very concerned.
It's another big I said this earlier, but there's a
bunch of these spokes of the wheels of the platform,
(01:46):
policies of what got President Trump elected. Any number of
them would have been like enough to do the job,
each of them all together making America healthy again, and
some of these all of that and I'm by their own,
but you put them all together, and I think folks
really want to make sure they stay updated on all
of them. And that's what we are here with election integrity.
So welcome in, Pat, And I know you got breaking
(02:09):
this against some big things that are going on right
now as we speak.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Well, first of all, I want to echo what you
said at the beginning. The reason why I and so
many other what I call meddling kids, they're focused on
election integrity is because that is our voice. And if
you want your voice to matter on key issues like abortion,
the budget, the border, whatever it may be, you need
to make sure that that voice is preserved, secured, and
(02:36):
respected by the people that are making policy decisions supposedly
on our behalf. So that's why I'm so focused on
this particular topic. And you're alluding to some breaking news
that's going to be coming out here. There's all these
meddling kids been waiting for the ultimate perplunk stick on
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all the election fraud that's going to be exposed all
at once, and we get the investigation of twenty twenty,
all that good stuff, and it's just coming out in
drips and drips and drips. So I'm telling you today
from my sources, there's something big that's happening in DC.
It may leak out today, but most likely it's going
to hit the news cycle next week. But just it's
(03:20):
all the efforts that everybody's been working on to go
off and expose what's really happening in our elections. It
looks like it's about to pop in a very very
big way. But stay tuned, we'll see how it unfurls,
if you will.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
I love hearing that. At the same time, you know,
I know other people listening going I'm frustrating. I just
want to see action here.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
You know, Hey, I've been doing this for five years,
and for the first three years with zero compensation on it.
So I'm getting very impatient because I'm one of those
folks that's not getting any younger here, And since I
liquidated all my assets to run for our all retirement
(04:02):
assets to run for office, I'm anxious to get back
into a position where I can actually, you know, restock
those coffers. And election integrity is not But without election integrity,
my future is not secure. Your future is not secure.
Nobody else's futur is sicure. So we gotta bat down
the hatches first. So yes, I'm very anxious to get
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this nailed down, but you gotta do it right or
I'll sit the house at cars. This is going to
fall back on us.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Hey, let's start with the latest that's come out in
the last week or so. By the way, there's a
lot of stuff we already we've known for a while,
but we got smoking gun evidence found in burn bags
and secret rooms at the FBI I mean, you couldn't
write this how crazy some of this stuff is. But
it's true that Hillary Clinton and some of the folks Obama, Clapper, Brennan, coming,
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all these people that sat around together in the White
House at one point and cooked up the scenario essentially
to attempt to who on President Trump after he was elected,
but even before as a campaigned as the nominee. This
was election. This was a threat to our election, integray
to democracy whatever they like to talk about that all
(05:13):
the time. This is exactly what they accuse others of doing.
And it happened in real time. We've got the evidence
that documents are coming out. And to your point is,
as we look at some of these things and start
to get the truth about this, what do you make
of some of these big stories?
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Wellson, pitch is a grand conspiracy. And the way I
frame it is that on one side of the equation,
you've got President Trump. What's his tagline for his campaign,
It's make America great Again. On the other side of
the equation, what do you have You have, mister, we're
five days away from fundamental transformation of America. Well, that's
(05:51):
what they set out to do, and what we're seeing
right now. Why you're seeing so much conflict between the
folks behind that coup that you're referencing and Donald Trump
is because he is hitting the reset button on all
the garbage that they've injected into our country when they
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started that fundamental transformation. And that's really kind of how
it frames it for me. It's the fundamental transformation of
America versus make America great again. And and I am
unashamedly part of the make America great Again faction, if
you will.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
This is this is and I don't think it's ever
been more clear of what we're up against. The accountability,
how we're starting to get this information like this. I
think this is the first part of it is the
American public has to be made aware. We've known this,
but it's pockets of people, you know, small numbers have
(06:50):
known this. Now we've got the actual evidence and documentation.
That's a whole other piece of this, but fuller broader
public needs toll that this happened.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Yeah, they keep them, but they've been deliberately making sure
that we couldn't get the word out to people. Like
you said, we've had this information for quite some time.
This has been difficult broadening the audience of people that
would actually be able to hear it. And they had
an organization called the Election Integrity Partnership that was essentially
a ministry of truth for election topics. They and this
(07:24):
isn't me saying this, this is the United States Congress.
The Weaponization of Government Committee did an investigation on that group,
the weapon on the Election Integrity Partnership, which featured SISA,
that Global Engagement Council, the EI ISAAC Center which is
ran by the Center for Internet Security. It involved big tech,
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big media, these universities that you may have seen in
the news, like Stanford and Harford, Harvard, all these folks
were involved in an effort to make sure nobody heard
about any of this. And by the way, they had
a sister project that did the same thing on COVID
called the Virality Project. That's why nobody heard about it.
But you know what it's getting out now. And I
(08:06):
would submit that if you look at President Trump's action
since day one, the first time he got out that pen,
you know, the real pen, not the auto pen, to
sign those executive orders, he was systematically targeting all the
key stakeholders in that election Integrity partnership. That's why we're
able to talk about this cis gone. Their contract has
(08:28):
no longer been renewed. Global Engagement Council Marco Rubio, Secretary
of State, got rid of that gone SISSA. One of
his executive order from President Trump is targeting specifically Chris
Krebs and an investigation of sissa's role in the twenty
twenty election. So he is systematically using that as the
equivalent of the most wanted list you find up at
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the post office and checking them off with his executive actions.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Hey, walk me through this pad. What how are these
organizations in some of the things that we've been hearing
about too over the last six months, like USAID and
some of the funding that went went to these places
because you know, you just mentioned some of the ways
that they were stopping the word from get I mean,
we were blocked on Facebook, on YouTube, taken down. I mean,
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they were a number of us that that were just
for asking questions or talking about or sharing stories that
were that were factual about it. How are these agencies,
these organizations, how are they funded?
Speaker 2 (09:31):
You're funding them, I'm funding them through taxpayer dollars. Uh So,
the Center for Internet Security was actually funded. They're the
ones who created this so called Misinformation Reporting Portal. So
whenever somebody like me says the machines are connected to
the Internet, they capture that as an incident, a misinformation
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incident according to them, and that gets converted into the
four AM talking point by all their quote unquote fact checkers.
And so that money came from federal tax dollars funding
SISA and Department of Homeland Security, who in turn contracted
out with this NGO, this non government organization called the
(10:11):
Center for Internet Security, and those guys were the ones
running the Misinformation Reportal, and they would coordinate all the
communications with all the other entities in that stakeholder group
for the election Integrity Partnership and so like big Tech,
big Media, all those guys. That's that's where this all
came down. And and I so that's part of the
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funding stream that's going on. Obviously there's many tentacles on
all this, but ultimately come down to this network of NGOs,
non government organizations that are funded through quasi government organizations
like USAID and UH and UH you know, that's that's
where a lot of this money comes from. I there's
a really good website if you want to tap into
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the funding sources and political disposition of all these NGOs.
It's called influencewatch dot org. You go to influencewatch dot
org and it'll get you more than enough information to
get you schooled up on who these ngo, who's behind
these ng os? Where are they getting their funding? So
it's a great way of answering the question you asked,
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how are these guys getting funded? Go to that influence
watch dot org and it's a great way to start. Pat.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
You you had posted something about this is just the
other day on your on your feet over on X
by the way, always a good follow PJ kolbec over
there for the the latest when whenever the news breaks,
you're gonna hear it and end up from Pat. But
this goes along with what you were just talking about. Uh,
and they're the cyber side of things. This ties into
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another story which I think is kind of interesting. Uh
in the I where was this? You're trying to use
paper ballots Arkansas. Yeah, and there's something wild happening out
and ARCO. So we'll talk about that coming up here
in just a little bit. But to me, this is
the easiest way to write things at this point, I
(12:10):
think you could do a couple of simple things that
maybe you could add to this. But look, I'd love
to see paper ballots in small precincts. Decentralize all of this.
You can count them and get it all done in
one single day. It's your neighbors that are are taking
part in this, maybe you're even involved in it. It's
easier to watch then all of that. By the way,
(12:34):
no use of any machines of any sort need to
be used there. Then when you're done collecting all that, uh,
those those things can be easily tracked. Maybe you put
serial numbers. I've heard all kinds of things like that.
As ideas that would help keep things. I would even
I would even go as far as to say we
can have an election day where we all get a
(12:55):
day off and we go we go vote together. I
don't care. I just want to see the I want
to see the influence out of this. I want to
see the centralized Well what makes it so easy to
to uh just unplug everything? I think that's the easiest
way to do it. But do you tell me? And
what am I missing here?
Speaker 2 (13:15):
I think you're on the right track. I mean, hand
counts of paper ballots is where we need to be.
The idea of a single election day is where we
need to be, and anything beyond that has been designed, frankly,
to push more and more opaqueness into our election processes.
When you think about it mail in ballots, you know
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there's a lot of third parties involved in those transactions
that you don't see. When when you think about electronic
voting systems, you don't get the peak behind the curtain
of those tabulators and see how they're actually tabulating the votes.
When you do, you get somebody like Jonathan Brader at
the Michigan Bureau of Elections that goes off and by
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the criminal wor to get your remove from office.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Didn't we just have some testimony from him. He just
admitted something big the other day, didn't he?
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Oh yeah, he just perjured himself. By my account comparing
the testimony, there's at least seven counts of perjury. So
Jonathan Brader is Michigan Bureau of Elections. He actually decided
to target the clerk of Adam's township, Stephanie Scott, great
(14:27):
clerk and except that she was asking inconvenient questions for
Jonathan Brader like, why is it that the number of
test ballots doesn't change even though the number of ballot
measures changes from election to election. She started asking about
internet connectivity and the machines being connected to the internet. Well,
Jonathan Brader didn't like that and took steps to actually
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have her removed from office, even though by state law
only the governor can remove a clerk from office, and
that didn't happen. And so what he did is got
to remove from office. And then later because she brought
in a forensic expert to examine the machines, they decided
to press criminal charges against her against Attorney Stephanie Lambert
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also Matt the Perno, I think was involved in that
as well, and it was a whole rigmarole. So in
the grand jury testimony of Jonathan Brader regarding you know
that led to the indictment against the Perno and Lambert
and Scott the which Braider was very confident in his
(15:36):
assertions that everything he was doing was by the book
and just enforcing the law. But recently out in Hillsdale
County in the actual pre trial hearing related to those
indictments that came out of the grand jury, Brader had
something that was exposed to something that he wasn't exposed
to in the grand jury testimony. He was exposed to
cross examination, and so he was called out on as
(16:01):
h that he was just merely enforcing the law, because
it turns out he wasn't. He was enforcing instructions by
the Secretary of State, and you tell him all up.
There's at least seven counts of perjury in his testimony,
and that led to an indictment against the clerk for
Adams Township, former clerk, Stephanie Scott, who's facing twenty years
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in prison for what Brad is claiming she did. So
this is a big deal. They're they're weaponizing government against
people that are acting on our best interest in our
best interests.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
And it proves also that Benson and what she was
doing behind the scenes again breaking the law once again.
And what's what's wild is in this state. And I
know you've been up close and personal with it in
Arizona too, but they're trying to run the same playbook
here again in Michigan as a Secretary of State, Joscelyn
Benson will oversee her own election as governor, and that
(16:55):
to me, I don't know. You get any more. You see,
you should never be a appearance. Yeah, but that's to me,
I honestly, how you make that work at all?
Speaker 2 (17:07):
No, And and keep in mind, and it's something I
exposed Dring my testimony before the Michigan House a couple
of weeks back. Joscelyn Benson is on record her own
attorney in the Johanalan v. Benson case testified that Joscelyn
Benson only follows the laws that she agrees with. This
is the chief election official of the state, and she
(17:29):
issues directives to local clerks like township clerks like Stephanie Scott,
county clerks like Vicky Bishop up Bantrum County, et cetera,
throughout the state. And when those clerks receive those directives,
those instructions, they're assuming that they're lawful. And what we're
finding out is Benson has no respect for the law.
And she actually during this court hearing, her attorney said, yeah,
(17:53):
she only follows the laws that she agrees with, and
if you don't like that, you can sue her. That
is not what we need.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
And that's incredible.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
And then what happens if you push back and you
start asking inconvenient questions. Well, that's what happened to Stephanie
Scott's She faced criminal indictments as a result of her
trying to and execute her duties of office. So we're
dealing with organized crime in the state. I hate to
say it that way, but it Jocelyn Benson, Jonathan Braider,
(18:25):
and then frankly Dana Nessell looking the other way whenever
these complaints are brought to her attention. There is a
lack of, you know, respect for the rule of law
across the board in our state government right now. The
bright spot, of course, is at our Michigan House and
there's subpoenas that they're issuing and the fact that they're
(18:47):
providing the oversight of the executive branch that the judicial branch.
Law enforcement's just kind of turning a blind eye to
right now in the state except for Dara Darleief is good.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Former armer centator. Hear Michigan Pat callback with this.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Right now.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
You know, Pat I had another question and had just
kind of escaped. Oh well, yeah, you know, she's broken
the law all these times. Michigan Secretary of State, is
there any is there any investigation from the federal because
we've been hearing about some of this that that might
take place, and I know they're looking at some of
the issues that she's got. What are they talking about,
(19:29):
I know behind the scenes, maybe even privy to more.
But how did they come in as a federal government
and really dig in and can they do that with her?
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Yeah? They can and and frankly, we tried at the
state level to get some criminal investigations going and we
were told talk to the hand by Dana Nessel. Remember,
we filed some criminal complaints against Dominion CEO John Paulis
for perjury during his testimony before the Michigan Senate and
(19:57):
then culture investigation of that that was ignored effectively by
Dana Nessel. Technically what she's after five days she said
she performed a thorough review of our fifty one page complaint.
I did fully requests afterwards at Vali data. She had
no report for her thorough review and none of her
communications dealt with the material cited in the complaints. So
(20:18):
she just said talk to the hand. So we let
the federal authorities know about that. I can tell you
that I've also filed criminal complaints with federal authorities for
Benson and for Justice Bolden related to the bribery what
certainly appears to be bribery. I gotta be careful on
how I say that I'm alleging bribery when she gave
(20:41):
when Benson gave eighty two five hundred dollars to the
Campaign for Justice Bolden right before Bolden issued a favorable
opinion in favor of Benson, and another criminal complaint against
Nessel actually for WillFull neglected and fraud in her response
(21:03):
to the requests for investigation of John Poulis. So there
are criminal investigations that have been requested, and they've been
submitted to the folks in the federal government, and there
are provisions in federal law that allow for residents of
a given state to sue their state elected officials under
(21:26):
federal law for Malfe's and twaw in office. And that's
in the future queue right now. Right now, we're just
asking for some criminal investigations.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
I know Pat wants to wants to give you a
shot to help support everything. Obviously, we want to make
sure that people know where to stay up to date
with you, where to follow along with some of these
updates and help in your efforts. So I give folks
a chance to do that here in just a little bit. Also,
there's some VIPs and a Freedom family that have some
questions that want to get those questions answered. First, you
(21:59):
want to go to our saw where we just mentioned
they tried. They actually tried to do this. This is
sort of a perplexing situation. They tried in Arkansas one
County particularly, they wanted to move to all paper ballots,
and they are they're under attack right now.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Yeah, very much so for the audacious act of actually
listening to their constituents back in twenty twenty three. I
think it's called the Quorum Court. That's their legislative body
of their county office holders in Searcy County, Arkansas, which
(22:40):
is just southeast of Branson, Missouri, across the border from
Missouri into Arkansas. They got about eight thousand people that
live in this county and they said, you know what,
we think it's a good idea to get rid of
these electronic voting systems. We don't trust them. We're going
to go to handcount and they the county Commission, if
you will, legislative body, decided to go off and do
(23:02):
that by six or te vote. And this is primarily
a Republican county. So the election commissioners promptly started putting
together a plan to go off and do just that
and execute a handcount. They did that for the twenty
twenty four primary. Well, the folks in the Arkansas state government,
once again Republican controlled, immediately passed the law. I mean,
(23:27):
I think if I recall correctly, they actually called an
emergency session to do this, passed the law requiring that
all elections be conducted with electronic voting systems, which makes
no sense at all because these machines not only are
they not transparent, they've got security vulnerability after security vulnerability.
And so they actually then went the next step and
(23:52):
actually took punitive action against the election commissioners in Searcy
County and pushed to have them banned from public service
for a period of no less than fourteen years for
the egregious act of implementing a handcount system. Now, the
background on this is that they said that because they
(24:13):
had leased improperly a one hundred dollars video one hundred
dollars video equipment, that it was a case of being influenced.
The video equipment was purchased so that they could record
the actual handcount process and make sure there's no Shenanigan's
going on the state. Actually, the state Board of Election
(24:33):
Commissioners for Arkansas actually cited their lease agreement for this
video equipment as an example of malfeasons by these election
commissioners in serious county, and they're using as a basis
for banning them from public service for fourteen years. So
that's how ridiculated it's gotten in Arkansas. They're actually trying
(24:54):
to improve transparency and it doesn't get any more explicit
than this and saying when they actually, you know, the
tools that they're using for transparency are now unlawful, these
video cameras, and they're going to be held accountable for
letting voters know exactly how their votes are counted.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Unbelievable. You can't make this stuff up. And again, you
and I talked about this earlier, but this is this
is a Republican stamp as a red state.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Yeah, not good. And you see that in Michigan. I
mean there's a big divide with Republican lawmakers. I mean
even when I testified, you know, one of the representatives
kind of was saying, Hey, I don't see what's wrong
with machines. We have them all over the place. It's
a and and it is ubiquitous. The idea of using
electronics systems like your mobile phone, everything is ubiquitous everywhere.
(25:44):
But what people don't realize are the security vulnerabilities associated
with that. Now that you know that, I'm a certified
Microsoft Small Business Specialist and and uh, Unfortunately, once you're
red pilled on these on these technologies and you understand
how they're use and more importantly, how they can be misused,
you don't get as comfortable with running elections that decide
(26:07):
who the leader of the free world is going to be.
When using these machines, you need transparency and these electronic
voting systems provide zero transparency.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
We keep an eye on this story as it continues
to develop. And again Pat mentioned big news coming this
next week. Looking forward to hearing some of that. Pat
in the days ahead. We'll keep an eye on that too.
Anything else that you think that we ought to know
about before I get the questions, or anything that's top
of mind for you.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Well, everybody wants the Orange jumpsuites, right, they want the indictment.
And I'm going to echo something Folks like Dan Bongino
and others have been saying, please be patient. It's been
six months. The biggest cesspool in the federal government, arguably
what's the Department of Justice, and that is slowly getting
cleaned out. It's not percent clean, but it's getting clean
(27:02):
enough that we can start toying around with what the
President called for a special prosecutor. We're starting to get
to that point. Same thing with the FBI. There's a
lot of corruption inside the FBI, but obviously there's at
least one guy that, regarding those burn bags on the
Duram Durham annex, that said, hey, guys, I'll take care
of these burn bags for you. Don't worry, We'll have
(27:24):
a bonfire. You guys go have fun celebrating. You're attempted too,
and I'll take care of things for you. And obviously
he just put them in a closet and left them
there without burning them. So there are some good guys
still left in these organizations, and now they're getting an
opportunity to shine. They're getting an opportunity to be whistleblowers
without being punished. And I just asked you to be
(27:46):
patient on that front.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Yeah, you know, I kind of I have to have
to work on that on a daily basis too, But
I do there is a part of me that feels like, Okay, patients,
this that Rome wasn't built in day in America wasn't
destroyed in the day either. They're trying their best, so
we've got to fight back. It's going to take time,
and I know in this dan age we want to
see instant results, but there's a lot of stuff we
(28:10):
can see happening behind the scenes.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
I can say with one hundred percent certainty is that
there are a lot of wheels in motion and they're
all headed in the right direction. And I would submit
that I've had the privilege of getting certain information to
some very high ranking officials in Washington, DC, and I
have seen at least half of the numerous actions that
I've requested executed and implemented. So they are moving. And
(28:37):
I will also assert to you that there's a reason
why Trump has his mug shot on the outside of
the Oval office. He has not forgotten what these guys
have done. He also knows that once he gets out
of office, if he doesn't fix this now and hold
these people accountable now, they're going to go after him
like the dickens after he gets out of office, not
just him, but his whole family. So trust me, he's motivated.
(29:01):
He's gotten incentive to make sure that we clean up
the swamp once and for all.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
Questions for pat We're going to go to some of
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(29:29):
would you ever consider running for office again?
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Running from office?
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (29:38):
No, I number one thing is I got to be called.
And when Angie and I decide to run for Michigan
State Senate, it was definitely a very clear message from
God to say, get off your keys, turn run for office.
When we're in for governor, we're feeling a similar call.
I'm not feeling any of those other calls right now,
(29:59):
and frankly, God hasn't opened up any doors to help
make that happen, particularly from a funding perspective. I mean,
I just start off the top of the hour. You know,
we were I'm getting to that retirement age and we
have to find retirement funding. And when you run for office,
(30:19):
it's not just about having enough money for campaigns and
marketing ads. You need enough money to keep the lights
on at home. And we're just not in that position.
But I appreciate the thought.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Yeah, I think people want to see more folks like
you involved. And well, I'll tell you that is if
if God has called you, he will.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Make a way.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Absolutely, So don't don't by the way. And Pat's called
to be where he is right now, so you never know,
there may be something else down the road. Terry says,
we come a long way from there where from there's
no internet on our voting machines to where we are
now thanks to Pat and Mike Lindell for at least
the last five years and more for your hard work.
(31:01):
So he says, thank you for that. Yeah, we have.
I mean, if you imagine just kind of consider how
far we've come from. No, no, no, that's not connected
to do well. Yeah, and where are we now?
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Yeah, it's been pretty amazing journey. And it's not just me.
I'm just a face of it for a lot of
the meddling kids that are working that are database experts,
that are doing foyer requests, that are pulling all this
stuff together. It's just that I started speaking out after
the twenty twenty election on what I saw and people
just started throwing information at me in the firehouse and
(31:37):
I had to package it and get it back out
to people. So there's a lot of folks that are
working very hard on getting the message out and a
lot of them are listening to you. Justin so and frankly,
justin you're one of those meddling kids because one of
the fronts in this war that we're facing is the
information war, and you're providing a mechanism to get that
message out.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Look, I I just feel called. I think we're all
doing what we're supposed to do. And by the way,
that's how this stuff gets fixed. And we all do
what we're called to do, then we can we can
write the ship. We can turn things around.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Uh parts one body.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
And Sanker says, our precinct consists more than five thousand
people in Michigan. Those numbers have been counted previously by
hand on paper ballots for decades. You know, we can
probably do that very easily. There's no reason to be
using those machines, he says, nope.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Well, notice one of the things that the Democrats did,
one of the first things they did when they got
back in power, was to increase the size of precincts.
So it used to be capped at twenty nine hundred
and ninety nine. I think now it's up to nine
hundred and ninety nine because they want to make it
more difficult to do the hand counts. So you know,
we've got to go back to smaller precincts. I mean,
(32:48):
no more than a thousand would be ideal. And precincts
are that basic building block of our elections. If you
have high integrity precinct results, then then you have high
integrity roll ups at the municipal, at the county, at
the state level for all your respective races. And they
know that, and that's why they're going the exact opposite
(33:10):
direction what we need for integrity.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Any of that. On Tina Peters, there was a question
in here on her earlier out in Colorado.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Yeah, Harry, the Greek put out an interesting article recently.
If you go to nakedtruth dot Com, and he posited
that the federal government is pursuing designation for Tina Peters
as a whistleblower, thereby allowing them to put her under
(33:41):
federal protection witness protection from folks like Jenner Griswold in Colorado.
And if that were the case, that would give the
federal government an out to pull her out of prison,
put her under protective custody effectively as she awaits her
appeal in her for her sentencing. Right now, she's facing
(34:03):
nine years in prison. She's a sixty nine year old
gold gold Star mother and who was actually doing her
job much like we were talking about with Stephanie Scott
Tina Peters. Is you know what they did to Tina Peters?
Is what Jooncelyn Benton wants to do to Stephanie Scott
here in the state of Michigan.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Hey, just to clarify, is it nakedtruth dot news? Is
that his.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Scroll down a little bit there?
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Okay, yeah, there we gouse. I put it nakedtruth dot com.
And I'm telling you, folks, you don't probably want to
google around on that one.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
We don't.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
We don't know what might pop up, but I try
to do that as we're on the air here and
pull this stuff up there. That's that's not what we
want to make sure. So this is the story. Can
the fed spring Tina Peters? That's the story there.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Yeah, And everybody's scrambling for different ways and to get
her out because she should not be in prison. I
mean it was you look at her trial, you look
at the jury instructions issue by that judge. It's just
it was really bad. So anyway, we'll see, we'll see
(35:11):
where it goes from there. But I suffice to say
there are people trying to take every possible avenue they
can to get her out of prison. Frankly, if Governor
Polis from in Colorado gave her a pardon, that's the
fast pass to it. But he's a Democrat and he's
acting on behalf on behalf of those that want to
(35:34):
keep our elections as opaque as possible. So anyway that
we want her out.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
There, you have it. And by the way, again this
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Influence watch is another one, influencewatch dot org. But I
know folks want to support you and Mike as well,
because you guys have been in this fight from like
I said, from day one. What's the best way folks
can help support you. Whether it's getting the news out,
(36:27):
you know, following you on X, maybe it's a donating
a few bucks here or there. What's the best way they.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Can help well, help Mike. I mean, I'm essentially working
part time now for Mike. I was full time but
cut back after all of his the financial hits you
is taking, so we've if you go to Lindell Plan
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the fight. And then also mike Lindell Legal Defense Fund
(36:52):
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you can go off and help him and uh and
you know, from informed, I don't know about you justin,
but I think Twitter or X is probably one of
the best mechanisms for getting breaking news and news that's
supported by source documentation that I've seen anywhere. It blows
(37:16):
away anything that I've seen from local media. Frankly, in
many cases, your show being the exception. I mean, radio
is really the only path where we have to get
out the truth. And these podcasts now open up a
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Speaker 1 (37:49):
There's a lot to be said from that. We continue
to make sure that we're passing the stuff, whether it's
on acts or different platforms. Staying connected is so important.
I get one more question for you before I let
you go, and I think it comes from Judy, who
was asking you sort of addressed as a moment ago.
But I can just give you a moment, an opportunity
for some encouragement. Judy says, Pat, do you feel that
(38:09):
more and more people are burnt out and tired and
are stepping back from getting involved with anything. She says
she feels that way. What encouragement would you have for that?
I know you've mentioned a couple of big things as
far as stories that are coming out in the next
week or so. We continue to see little pieces of hope,
some glimmers there. But what else, I mean, what keeps
(38:32):
you in the fight? Maybe that's the best question.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Well, just go to the top of my ex feed
and you'll find out what keeps me in the fight.
It's yeah, Psalm thirty seven and said, don't be anxious,
don't fret when evil people succeed in their ways, because
ultimately the righteous will inherit the land. I'm paraphrasing, but ultimately,
you know, this is not about what I want. Trust me,
(38:59):
this is not what I want to be doing. It's
about what I feel called by God to do. And
when you get in that mode where you're just doing
what you believe God's calling you to go off and
do and equipping you to do, I mean, let's look
at this. The rare blend of skills that He's given me,
or experiences that He's given me put me where I
(39:21):
am right now. For this particular moment. So this is
kind of like esther right for such a time as this.
I'm a techie with the the IT background, engineer, problem solver.
I've got the political experience. I understand how policy and
legislation's made. I was serving on the Election Integrity Committee
in the Senate when I was in there. That's a
(39:43):
very rare blend of skill sets, which means effectively that
I'm not an expert in anything, but I have a
very broad set of experiences and skill sets. So I
believe God's got me a right where he wants me.
And that's the kind of confidence that I need to
keep on going each and every day and and anyway,
constantly ask for guidance and I'm and I'm definitely looking
(40:05):
for him to say, you get to move on to
something else. Trust me, I want to about something else,
but right now this is where He's got me planted.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
Well, always a pleasure, Pat, Thank you for the update.
We'll stay on top of it next week. Maybe if
we do have that breaking music, you can pop back
on the air and give us an update when when
it does come out. And uh, in the meantime, we'll
continue to support Thank you so much for sharing this again. Folks,
It's lindell off is It Offense fund dot org and
then Mike Lindell uh Legal Defensefund dot com. We'll put
(40:38):
those links up as well so you can get it.
And then Pat is Pjkollbeck over on X. Always a pleasure,
my friend. Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
Great to be with you justin thank you for all
your assistant to getting the word out.
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