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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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four to twenty four, It's West Michigan Live with Justin
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Speaker 3 (00:22):
Welcome in, folks. Never a dull moment like draking from
a fire hose. The let us stories you want to
hear anywhere else, the conversations that matter most. We're going
to get into them all this morning. Gonna treat in fact.
First up, once on the dock today, of course, we're
talking about that one big beautiful Bill and the well
(00:43):
of the story, the truth behind it, what's really going on.
I want to get because I've been noticing diffinct. I
mentioned this yesterday our good friend James Dixon down to
IS seventy five over on Twitter X and the Michigan
Enjoyer podcast. He shared something that I thought was worth
noting about that one big beautiful Bill, and I thought,
(01:06):
let's reach out to him. I have him on talk
about this, but some other big subjects. Elections have consequences.
We'll do it all. Welcome to James, who joins us.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Now, big beautiful bill. It's a beauty.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
There's never been a bill like this one. James, Welcome
in man. We appreciate you being here with us today.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Good morning, justin good to hear your voice.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
You said something, Yes, I'm trying to break this down
for people to understand the process of what's happening, and
you said something on exer I just thought it was
worth mentioning. First of all, Steven Miller has come out
talking about this bill and the difference between what the
bill is and what people want to see done with dogs.
(01:48):
So regardless of what you really want to see, and
of course I understand and share the frustration with people.
I want to see all the dodge cuts put into place.
That's what we voted for. It's hugely popular. Stephen Miller,
advisor to the President, coming out and said, I just
want to make this clear for folks, you can't do
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that in this bill. There's a difference in the bill
between what we can do and what we can't do,
and this justice based on rules in Congress. The average
person probably doesn't understand. It's because we've been so far
removed for it. By the way, this is why they're
able to get away with what they get away with
is because we don't understand how all of this works.
So what he says is those cuts are too discretionary
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spending such is the federal bureaucracy. Under state budget rules,
you cannot cut discretionary or excuse a Senate budget rules,
you cannot cut discretionary spending, only mandatory and a reconciliation bill.
So dosee cuts would have to be done through what
is known as a recession or recisions package or an
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appropriations bill. The Big Beautiful Bill is not an annual
budget bill and does not fund the departments of government.
It does not finance our agencies or federal programs. Instead,
it includes the single largest welfare reform in American history,
along with the largest tax cut and reform in American history,
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the most aggressive energy exploration in American history, and the
strongest border bill in American history, all while reducing the deficit. Again,
that's Stephen Miller, advisor to the President. I thought that
was interesting, especially when we paired that with what you
had to say the other day about perfect and by
(03:40):
the way, perfect is the enemy of good. And I
saw what you said. I just thought, well, he's on
the money on this. Just to wrap this up for
folks to understand, and you had a little more colorful
language then. Is what you said, Mallory McMorrow is producing
(04:04):
a brick. U'se your imagination for that, because the big
beautiful bill cuts off planned parenthood. You're black pilling because
it's not perfect. We're not the same. And I thought
that point was absolutely spot on. Can you explain what
you meant by it?
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Absolutely so. In a situation like this, let's let's be honest.
I'm not sitting around reading two thousand pages. I'm not
trusting what Rock says about the two thousand pages. These
things are written to be inaccessible. So the best signal
for what a bill does or doesn't do or it's
impact is not the dissident and then the reliable no
(04:44):
votes within your own tent. So you know, I love
Thomas Massey. We follow each other on Twitter. He's a
principal guy. He's a very smart guy. However, I don't
you can't use a guy like that who is a
consistent no vote. You can't use that as your load
star because he's always going to say no. But what
(05:05):
I think is a better measure for what the bill
does or as impact is look at what the opposition
says about it. So when someone like a Malory McMorrow,
a state senator in Michigan who's running for the US Senate,
when she is worried that it defunds planned parenthood, that
makes me think we're really getting somewhere. That makes me
(05:28):
think we're hitting the bone and not just fat. That
makes me think that that Trump is making the opposition uncomfortable. So, yes,
you might not please every single dissident, but those people
are never happy. If you are inflicting pain on your opponents,
you're doing what you need to do. And when you
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so so that that they're reacting badly is good enough
that they're reacting badly about something that will ultimately result
if you were a force in America, it's worthy.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Yeah, And again, I just I love the fact. And
this is the thing that I think is that I'm
seeing is that we've got a lot of people that
are getting involved or maybe have just gotten involved for
the first time, and you know, they expect I thought it.
I got out there and I did this. I did that,
so I want exactly what I vote for. But the
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problem is is that this process doesn't work like that
in the real world. We have to have these conversations,
we have to get as close with each other on
different things that we can get. So you know, for example,
I don't.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Want to use it.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
We compromise kind of dirty word these days because you
think about compromising your principles or your morals or your
values or whatever. But in order to get things done
in that setting, you're dealing with people that are coming
from different angles, and you either you can't completely nuke
it because then you get nothing. Either get a few
(07:04):
things that you really want and get the ball further
down the road. It's a game of benches, right or exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
This is how Trump is always negotiated, which which he'll he'll,
you know, ask for ten things, but he really wants
to get two or three main points. And by the
time your your mind is so weary and you're so
tired from fighting all those points, he's gotten the things
he wants.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
It's this is exactly what I made the point yesterday
about the fifty first stand Here we are talking about
the fifty first state again with Canada, and and he say,
he puts his statement out, well, I think they're really
considering it, they're really looking at it. They're thinking about
becoming the fifty first staid, and of course they're not.
But what they are doing, and what he is getting
(07:51):
done right now, is the negotiation for how much money
they might kick in to build this golden dome thing
that he wants gold that's what he wants. He wants
to pay them to pay their fair share. It's not
about them becoming the fifty first stated he didn't care
about that, But everyone else gets tied up on that
(08:12):
and they lose their ever loving minds about it.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
And when they've lost their mind, they're confused, they're dismayed,
they even can get demoralized, because remember what they were
saying in the early days of Trump that there was
too much going on to even keep up with. And
so this is that port part of the book. When
you're reading a book when the action slows down a
little bit and their world building and they're you know,
(08:37):
make go into the backstory and you're losing some of
the actions. But this is the most important part of
the story. If Trump can get through this, if Trump
can begin to get what he's you know, set out
in his executive orders. If he can get those things
turned into laws before the midterm election, that not only
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helps him, that helped the Republicans retain control, control that
you'll want to have if you don't want to last
two years in office spent in fake impeachment hearing.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
I understand the frustration with folks.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
I get it.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
I understand us. Are these Joe's cuts? You want to
get these dose cuts downs? Elon came out and mentioned
this too. We all, by the way, we all want
to see these Doge cuts happen. And it sounds like
that's on the table in a process that will start
to take place after this INITIALI But in order to
get that done, that's a whole lot of the process
(09:33):
that requires even more votes out of the Senate, etc.
And it's going to take some time to get that done.
And we've got to get this thing done first. So
what do you say to some folks saying the libertarians?
You know, look, it's like hurting cats. I love libertarians
because you know, partially I am in a lot of
ways libertarian. But the days go on, you get older,
(09:54):
the more wisdom I get I start to really understand
it's sort of the wisdom of how the process works.
But how do you what would you say to those
libertarians that say, you know, it's it's Ron Paul or
nothing kind of the By the way, I love Ron Paul,
So I mean I get it.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
Seeing and that kind of or nothing. I don't live
in an or nothing world, and people who have families
and kids and homes and legacies don't live in that world.
So it just doesn't always sound like a fit for
people above the age of seventeen who have skin in
the game in life. So yeah, a lowercase L libertarian absolutely,
(10:35):
but a member of a party, I mean, it just
doesn't really make sense that there would be a party
if you're a libertarian. So I just as a political entity,
not always the smartest group, but not always the most
focused on winning. I find that sometimes they can focus
most of their animus the war people they agree with
sixty eighty percent of the time, as opposed to people
(10:58):
who are communists and what s beam more, all of
us if they had the power to do so. So. Ultimately,
our libertarian brothers need to uh find the wins where
they can get them. But to sit up here and
and you know, to judge everything against the perfect world
in politics, which is designed to give you as little
of what you want. If you want to be mad
(11:20):
and just be you know, be mad about politics being
what it is, you can I'm not going to live
my life that way, you know.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
And I love this. Obviously these conversations headed in the
right direction. I will tell you if you're libertarian, if
you're watching some of these things, you're becoming dismade or frustrated,
say keep your powder dry, stay patient, stay in this process.
Rome wasn't destroyed in a day. The spoffle be either.
So we gotta make we gotta make these these step
(11:49):
by the way, elections have consequences. And if we don't
stick together here in these coalitions, the liberate, the Libertarians
of Maha, all these folks, and they're getting little things
here and there on the way, maybe not exactly what
you want to see, but you're getting far more than
what you ever would have seen if with a Kamala
as president. In fact, it would have been much worse.
And whoever comes around in twenty eight will be much worse.
(12:11):
When the pendulum swings back, it's going to be far
worse than it has been. Elections have constants. We don't
have a lot of time to talk about this, but
you just mentioned as we were on the phone before
we jumped on the air, here this Campbell plant. Save
the Campbell. Trump and the Energy secretary we had, Congressman
Heisagan has been working behind the scenes on this. We
(12:32):
know that the entire In fact, there's a group here
in West Michigan working on saving the Campbell. They went
to Washington, went to Lansing, f had a few folks.
Luke Meherman stayed rep here listening and taking this folks
up the ladder to get their voices heard. They're going
to save that plant now because of this.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
It's absolutely huge because when we talk about how elections
have consequences, that takes on two angles. Here, first electing
a Democrat slate in twenty eighteen, especially a Democrat governor
with all the power we get to an executive That's
why we went down this road, and then having Joe
Biden take the White House in twenty twenty one only
(13:14):
accelerated things further. So now you've had Lansing and Washington
all pushing the gospel of clean energy, where nobody cared
whether it worked. They just wanted you to do it.
They just wanted you to make the transition. And so
literally this week, Consumer's Energy had planned to decommission this
J H. Campbell Cole plant in West Alo this week,
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a thirty first, and the Trump administration last week orted
them to not do that and to keep the plant
operating at twenty twenty four levels. Regulators observers have all
warned that we're going to have these energy shortfalls coming.
This is a known problem, and it's literally a woman
made problem. There's no urgency event that happens. This is
(14:02):
a policy maker, Governor Gretchen Whitmer deciding we should have
fewer resources and energy companies falling in line. Energy companies
are heavily regulated, so it makes sense for them to
want to be in lead and in line with the
people who regulate them. And so when the governor says jump,
(14:22):
they say how high? And everyone was going to jump
off that quest together until Donald Trump says, nope, you
got to keep them on. Michigan say some could not
save us from lockdowns, but he is keeping the lights on. So,
whether it's the state contexts or nationally, elections have consequences.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
Good friend James Dixon down I seventy five over on
X and of course the Michigan enjoy your podcast as always.
You can check him out to get the latest. We
appreciate you taking the time to be here with us.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
James, he blessed, justin thank you.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Can you hang on the phone for a second. We'll
be right back, folks back after this on West Michigan Live.
Roll it right along in the fastest hour radio fly
and right through we grab our news. Next and coming up,
we'll talk with somebody revolutionizing education. One of the good guys,
doctor Jerson, Marino Rihanno here at Cornerstone University, the twelfth
(15:22):
president as they kick off something that is unheard of.
It's the first of its kind. You're going to want
to hear it. It's happening, in fact, right in our
own backyard. The details on the way. Next on West
Michigan Live and what Radio. Justin Barklay joining us now,
the twelfth president of Cornerstone University, doctor your son Marino Rihanno,
(15:43):
and a pleasure today. Well, it's that time of year.
We've been seeing folks with the cap and gown pictures
watching it take place. In fact, I see them all
over social media right now, pictures of folks graduating, friends,
family members, and it's got to be a busy time
(16:04):
for you. Welcome inn We appreciate you taking the time
to be here with us today.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
It's great to be here justin thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
So let's talk a little bit because it's a good
time to do this. You know, I know you're kind
of on the cutting edge of things as as they
go in higher education. We've got a lot of happening.
It's not just education, it's in the country right now.
We really do seem to be going through this sort
of transformation process and that's you know, for good or bad.
(16:33):
I think it's going to lead us to a really
good place if we if we do the right things here.
But what about education, because doctor, you know, I'm a father.
I got two girls and you know they're only four
and two, but we're starting to homeschool, so we're kind
of getting into that process to think about what are
we going to do, where are they going to go,
how is this going to look like? What does higher
(16:54):
education even look like by the time they're ready to
step into it. And I think a lot of people
are in this boat right now. And that being said,
it's a very well they're rough waters currectly, no.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
You know, you're right justin they are rough waters. And
I think I think there are two fundamental questions about
higher ed right now that are happening. One it's what's
the value of a university education in today's world and market?
What is it? Right? And you can, you know, talk
about that question in lots of different ways. So you
see people speak about the public good of higher education?
(17:34):
What's the public good? What does it mean? Right? And
so I think that's one question, what's the value of it?
And I think parents, students are asking that, legislators, the
public in general is asking what is the value of
higher education now, of a college degree? Why? And what's
that for? That's the first question. The second brilliant question
(17:56):
is what's the best way or most effective way to
the liver in education today? Right? Because for hundreds of years,
let's put it that way, right, since the first universities
in Europe and twelve hundreds or so, it's always been
face to face, right, And so there's a sense in
which the brick and mortar campus, we believe is the
(18:19):
goal standard. But what's happened is, you know, now, for
many decades and especially in the last few years, because
of artificial intelligence, that's been being challenging significant ways that
perhaps there are better and more effective ways to deliver
an education now than the traditional brick and mortar campus
with human beings involved face to face. I think those
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are the two most important questions happening now, and how
we answer those two questions will really determine what higher
education will look like and will accomplish in the next
many many decades. And I think actually are very very
important questions and very important conversation we're having about it, because,
(19:02):
as you know, higher education is a billions and billions
of dollars industry, right We spend a lot of money
in our country for higher education and and I think
because of that, we have a significant responsibility to be
good stewards of those moneies. Number one and number two.
Millions of our people, young men and women and adult
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learners are involved in this. And so education is a
public good because it shapes the culture. It just does.
It will shape industries, shapes the workforce, shapes culture and values.
So these two are very important conversations for us to
be having right now.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Yeah, I would agree. I look at this situation and
as you mentioned, there's a lot of people in our
you know, that that are that are maybe in our listener, uh,
in our audience, that are that are wondering about this
and particularly you know, what, what are are kids going
(20:01):
to come back with? What are they going to come
back like? And even if it's just across town or
down the road to a place beautiful campus like a cornerstone,
what what's going to happen to those kids when they're
actually on campus and when they're they're receiving their education
(20:22):
and some of the some of those questions are are
you know, look, I want my kids to be ready
for what? For life? And uh And a lot of
the people are saying I just don't want them to
come back and I don't recognize them in some bad way.
And that's happening too. Just the other day, and we
talked about this before the interview, but Mark Zuckerberg, with
(20:44):
the story out the other day, says college isn't preparing
students for today's job market. And you add that with
the debt burden and everything else to talk about, Uh,
you know, some of the student loan issues. Uh, that
can that can become a whole nother issues. So I
know you've you've taken a different approach on some of
these things, in fact early on to try to combat
(21:07):
some of this What are you all doing at Cornerstone
right now?
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Yep? So you know, great, great segue here, because I
think he Mark Zuper is right about this, the reckoning
that's coming. And we saw this a while back, and
we implemented a what we called a tuition reset. We
actually you know, dropped our cost significantly, a twenty two
percent tuition reset because one of the questions we you know,
(21:31):
we wanted to answer and answer well was to ensure
that we were providing significant value to our students, parents,
prospective students, and ensure that we're being good stewards of
what we have and what's given to us. And and
so that was a significant and bold move on the
part of Cornerstone University just a couple of years ago,
(21:52):
through the twenty two percent tuition reset. I think we're
one of the few, maybe the only institution in West
Michigan to take that aggressive boat step, the few in
the country to take a boat step and to say, look,
we want we want to provide phenomenal quality, phenomenal value
to you and want to do it to be great
stewards of resources and to address this debt issue that
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people carry. That's one of the things we did right.
And we've also ensured that we are focusing on programs
and skills that are in demand in the market, and
we call this the CU Advantage. Right, we want to
ensure there are graduates leave the university with a strong
(22:32):
moral compass. We're a faith based university. It's not a
secret right. We're a Christian university. We call us as
a christ centered university and our mission is deeply Christian,
and we want to ensure that our students believe here
with moral skills, a strong moral compass, so they can
go into the community, their communities, their homes, their neighborhoods,
(22:55):
and places of work and provide moral leadership in the
way they live and how they work, work, and how
they think and how they speak. That is in great
need today. But we also want to ensure that our students,
as a part of the CU Advantage, leave Cornerstone with
what we call next gen industry skills that when they
(23:15):
walk into their jobs, they are ready many steps ahead
of other college graduates, not just you know, in moral
compass and moral reasoning, but also in how they communicate
and how they think about their work, the kind of
knowledge and body of knowledge expertise they have. You know,
we have something here that our faculty have been doing
(23:37):
for quite some time called Celebration of Scholarship, for example,
and most of our campus shuts down, actually all the
academics shut down for one day and students present research
in industry based research, in academic research they have worked
on for months, and they presented throughout the campus that day.
And it's a great opportunity and for our students to
(23:59):
then to bear all they have learned in our learning
and academics in industry and bring it together to present
their work and to show that we're not thinking just
book knowledge here, we're applying what we're learning and we're
bringing contributions to body of knowledge into the industry. And
so part of the CuO advantage is not just moral skills,
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the moral compass. What it means to be a good
human being, a good citizen, a good person, what does
it mean to have faith in God? What fundamental questions?
But also then how do I work and lead and
serve in industries in the twenty first century. How do
I deal with artificial intelligence, data analytics, big data questions?
(24:44):
What are the implications of this for work? How do
I communicate in all the mediums of communication today and
do it effectively? How do I think and bring wisdom
in conversations and collaboration with colleagues? How you deal with
people who are different than ourselves either time less questions
but more relevant now than ever. So we bring all
that to bear and a CU advantage with all of
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our students. But then, just in the last few weeks,
justin we launched something to address the debt issue and
the effect of this issue to reach millions of students
that have some college and no degree. In West Michigan alone,
over seven hundred thousand adults have some college but no degree.
In Michigan over four million, and across the U as well,
(25:30):
over one hundred million adults some college no degree. So
we launched a program called SORE. It is the only
program in the country that delivers a fully accredited Strategic
business Management undergraduate degree and a mobile phone platform, and
you can do the entire degree on your phone. Fully
(25:50):
accredited it's a tremendous price point, fifty percent of the
cost of any degree out there or less for and
it is. We've had phenomenal reception in the market. Students
are enrolled. Now we're growing that enrollment. We have lots
of corporate partnerships. But our goal is to bring a strong,
(26:13):
moral based education, world class strategic business education with via phone,
with great faculty, great content, some of the most cutting
edge learning techniques, and the most beautiful user experience. Because
we believe we can deliver a world class education at
a fraction of the cost and help address a significant problem.
(26:37):
Millions of Americans, thousands in West Michigan, four million in
Michigan with some college and a degree that has to
change justin and we want to bring a world class
education to them via SORE and via Corstal University.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
Yeah, I really I like the approach here to the future.
I mean it is now. The future is now. These
things are happening. Yeah, you're meeting people right where they
are too with this technology. What do you what kind
of what do you where do you see things going
with AI? I mean it's so it's so wild that
(27:15):
you know, watch this. I feel like, you know, When
I look at it, there's so much positive but also
a great opportunity for negative as well. When you look
at this technology, I can't imagine having had it as
a kid, A is very curious and wanted to learn
about all kinds of different things. And it's I mean
you literally you can have it in your palm of
your hand any moment of the day.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Yeah, I mean, look, the average adult. We usually you know,
us adults with critique young people, you're on your phone
all the time, right, The reality is that US adults
are on our phones all the time. The average is
you know, some were four and a half hours a
day or something. I mean, it's significant, and most high
school students do everything on their phone. Now. It is
(27:59):
a platform, and I think in the future will be
the platform beyond iPads and that's desktops and laptops. It's
gonna be it's gonna be the phone. Right. So we
wanted to get there first and bring a world class education,
a credit education at a fraction of the cost to
the phone, and and and so that people could go
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through it at their pace and and do something that
they've always wanted to do, but that the current model
of higher education is not addressing or meeting or providing.
That's just the reality. Look, you can talk about all
the beautiful things of American higher education, and justin you know,
I wasn't born here. I was born in South America.
We came here to the land of opportunity forty years
(28:42):
ago and we knew that education, American education the best
in the world. Right, So we knew that coming here.
But the reality is also that the way we've organized
it is not meaning the needs of a lot of people.
That that's we can't That's just the reality. And it's
up to universities to address that, not to be complacent
(29:02):
and sent our laurels, but to be proactive and to
actually serve the public. Right. So, when you speak about
AI and what happens, I think if universities do not
grab AI and stewarded well and effectively, I think AI
will lead to the closure of lots of universities. Right.
(29:23):
I think university's academics are part of the lowest hanging
fruit for AI to take away. Quite frankly, because time
and again of the last two years, it has been
demonstrated that AI can fulfill or serve the educational needs
of people in America and beyond. It's just the reality
(29:43):
it's there. I think it was last year, in the
last two years, a student from Harvard used Chad GPT
to do all of his first year, one semester of
his first year experience at Harvard and submit all these assignments.
It was Chadgypt doing them. He submitted them as a
test to see if the faculty at Harvard could pick
(30:04):
up on it, and they did not. And I think
the lowest grade one I believe was a B mis
or B plus. Just in the last week, I think
chag GPT demonstrated, you know, excellence, the ability to pass
a significant professional licensure exam at a B plus range. Right,
So it's it's a significant issue now. And I think
(30:26):
the universities then have to think innovatively, something we're not
known for oftentimes at the universe. As the universities, we
have to be innovative. As Robert Eiger says that, well,
this is that you innovator, you die. Right. We have
to innovate or we're not going to exist. AI will
take over and it's up to us and to lead
that creatively, humanely, thoughtfully, proactively to serve the public to
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serve our students. Otherwise I can see entire educational offerings
the purely VIAI, with no faculty involvement whatsoever. And I'll
tell you when this is dawned on me. It was
probably back in twenty ten. I met the founder of
at X, the first mook platform, the massive open online
(31:11):
course platform that Harvard and MIT put together way back
in twenty ten or so, and I actually invited him
to speak at a university at which I was serving.
He's a Polish mathematician, and he said to me, the
goal at MIT is the design learning so that faculty
are not evolve in any way, shape or form. That
(31:34):
was back in twenty ten. So I think that's the future,
and I think we have to lead that and not
sit otherwise we will not exist.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Doctor Gresson Marino Riano and the twelfth president of Cornerstone
University at a fantastic conversation. Matter of fact, it goes
even deeper than this. He's the subject of our podcast
this weekend. It drops Saturday morning. In fact, if you
want to watch it now and listen to it now,
it's up for all the folks who check us out
(32:05):
over on locals. But it will be on the iHeartRadio
app and everywhere else you download your podcasts, just search
Justin Barclay as we talk higher education, the rollout of
the first of its kind SORE program, some of the
real issues they're facing in the world of higher education,
Trump's latest and how it all impacts them and beyond.
(32:28):
And by the way, I think you're really gonna like
what he has to say if you're a parent and
you're looking for a school right now to send your kids,
like you know, I get four and two and so
you know, we got a little ways to go. But
what does that look like coming up on the horizon.
Fantastic conversation and you'll hear more of it again this weekend,
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Speaker 3 (00:22):
Welcome in, folks. Never a dull moment like draking from
a fire hose. The let us stories you want to
hear anywhere else, the conversations that matter most. We're going
to get into them all this morning. Gonna treat in fact.
First up, once on the dock today, of course, we're
talking about that one big beautiful Bill and the well
(00:43):
of the story, the truth behind it, what's really going on.
I want to get because I've been noticing diffinct. I
mentioned this yesterday our good friend James Dixon down to
IS seventy five over on Twitter X and the Michigan
Enjoyer podcast. He shared something that I thought was worth
noting about that one big beautiful Bill, and I thought,
(01:06):
let's reach out to him. I have him on talk
about this, but some other big subjects. Elections have consequences.
We'll do it all. Welcome to James, who joins us.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Now, big beautiful bill. It's a beauty.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
There's never been a bill like this one. James, Welcome
in man. We appreciate you being here with us today.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Good morning, justin good to hear your voice.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
You said something, Yes, I'm trying to break this down
for people to understand the process of what's happening, and
you said something on exer I just thought it was
worth mentioning. First of all, Steven Miller has come out
talking about this bill and the difference between what the
bill is and what people want to see done with dogs.
(01:48):
So regardless of what you really want to see, and
of course I understand and share the frustration with people.
I want to see all the dodge cuts put into place.
That's what we voted for. It's hugely popular. Stephen Miller,
advisor to the President, coming out and said, I just
want to make this clear for folks, you can't do
(02:09):
that in this bill. There's a difference in the bill
between what we can do and what we can't do,
and this justice based on rules in Congress. The average
person probably doesn't understand. It's because we've been so far
removed for it. By the way, this is why they're
able to get away with what they get away with
is because we don't understand how all of this works.
So what he says is those cuts are too discretionary
(02:32):
spending such is the federal bureaucracy. Under state budget rules,
you cannot cut discretionary or excuse a Senate budget rules,
you cannot cut discretionary spending, only mandatory and a reconciliation bill.
So dosee cuts would have to be done through what
is known as a recession or recisions package or an
(02:55):
appropriations bill. The Big Beautiful Bill is not an annual
budget bill and does not fund the departments of government.
It does not finance our agencies or federal programs. Instead,
it includes the single largest welfare reform in American history,
along with the largest tax cut and reform in American history,
(03:19):
the most aggressive energy exploration in American history, and the
strongest border bill in American history, all while reducing the deficit. Again,
that's Stephen Miller, advisor to the President. I thought that
was interesting, especially when we paired that with what you
had to say the other day about perfect and by
(03:40):
the way, perfect is the enemy of good. And I
saw what you said. I just thought, well, he's on
the money on this. Just to wrap this up for
folks to understand, and you had a little more colorful
language then. Is what you said, Mallory McMorrow is producing
(04:04):
a brick. U'se your imagination for that, because the big
beautiful bill cuts off planned parenthood. You're black pilling because
it's not perfect. We're not the same. And I thought
that point was absolutely spot on. Can you explain what
you meant by it?
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Absolutely so. In a situation like this, let's let's be honest.
I'm not sitting around reading two thousand pages. I'm not
trusting what Rock says about the two thousand pages. These
things are written to be inaccessible. So the best signal
for what a bill does or doesn't do or it's
impact is not the dissident and then the reliable no
(04:44):
votes within your own tent. So you know, I love
Thomas Massey. We follow each other on Twitter. He's a
principal guy. He's a very smart guy. However, I don't
you can't use a guy like that who is a
consistent no vote. You can't use that as your load
star because he's always going to say no. But what
(05:05):
I think is a better measure for what the bill
does or as impact is look at what the opposition
says about it. So when someone like a Malory McMorrow,
a state senator in Michigan who's running for the US Senate,
when she is worried that it defunds planned parenthood, that
makes me think we're really getting somewhere. That makes me
(05:28):
think we're hitting the bone and not just fat. That
makes me think that that Trump is making the opposition uncomfortable. So, yes,
you might not please every single dissident, but those people
are never happy. If you are inflicting pain on your opponents,
you're doing what you need to do. And when you
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so so that that they're reacting badly is good enough
that they're reacting badly about something that will ultimately result
if you were a force in America, it's worthy.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Yeah, And again, I just I love the fact. And
this is the thing that I think is that I'm
seeing is that we've got a lot of people that
are getting involved or maybe have just gotten involved for
the first time, and you know, they expect I thought it.
I got out there and I did this. I did that,
so I want exactly what I vote for. But the
(06:25):
problem is is that this process doesn't work like that
in the real world. We have to have these conversations,
we have to get as close with each other on
different things that we can get. So you know, for example,
I don't.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Want to use it.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
We compromise kind of dirty word these days because you
think about compromising your principles or your morals or your
values or whatever. But in order to get things done
in that setting, you're dealing with people that are coming
from different angles, and you either you can't completely nuke
it because then you get nothing. Either get a few
(07:04):
things that you really want and get the ball further
down the road. It's a game of benches, right or exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
This is how Trump is always negotiated, which which he'll he'll,
you know, ask for ten things, but he really wants
to get two or three main points. And by the
time your your mind is so weary and you're so
tired from fighting all those points, he's gotten the things
he wants.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
It's this is exactly what I made the point yesterday
about the fifty first stand Here we are talking about
the fifty first state again with Canada, and and he say,
he puts his statement out, well, I think they're really
considering it, they're really looking at it. They're thinking about
becoming the fifty first staid, and of course they're not.
But what they are doing, and what he is getting
(07:51):
done right now, is the negotiation for how much money
they might kick in to build this golden dome thing
that he wants gold that's what he wants. He wants
to pay them to pay their fair share. It's not
about them becoming the fifty first stated he didn't care
about that, But everyone else gets tied up on that
(08:12):
and they lose their ever loving minds about it.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
And when they've lost their mind, they're confused, they're dismayed,
they even can get demoralized, because remember what they were
saying in the early days of Trump that there was
too much going on to even keep up with. And
so this is that port part of the book. When
you're reading a book when the action slows down a
little bit and their world building and they're you know,
(08:37):
make go into the backstory and you're losing some of
the actions. But this is the most important part of
the story. If Trump can get through this, if Trump
can begin to get what he's you know, set out
in his executive orders. If he can get those things
turned into laws before the midterm election, that not only
(08:59):
helps him, that helped the Republicans retain control, control that
you'll want to have if you don't want to last
two years in office spent in fake impeachment hearing.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
I understand the frustration with folks.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
I get it.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
I understand us. Are these Joe's cuts? You want to
get these dose cuts downs? Elon came out and mentioned
this too. We all, by the way, we all want
to see these Doge cuts happen. And it sounds like
that's on the table in a process that will start
to take place after this INITIALI But in order to
get that done, that's a whole lot of the process
(09:33):
that requires even more votes out of the Senate, etc.
And it's going to take some time to get that done.
And we've got to get this thing done first. So
what do you say to some folks saying the libertarians?
You know, look, it's like hurting cats. I love libertarians
because you know, partially I am in a lot of
ways libertarian. But the days go on, you get older,
(09:54):
the more wisdom I get I start to really understand
it's sort of the wisdom of how the process works.
But how do you what would you say to those
libertarians that say, you know, it's it's Ron Paul or
nothing kind of the By the way, I love Ron Paul,
So I mean I get it.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
Seeing and that kind of or nothing. I don't live
in an or nothing world, and people who have families
and kids and homes and legacies don't live in that world.
So it just doesn't always sound like a fit for
people above the age of seventeen who have skin in
the game in life. So yeah, a lowercase L libertarian absolutely,
(10:35):
but a member of a party, I mean, it just
doesn't really make sense that there would be a party
if you're a libertarian. So I just as a political entity,
not always the smartest group, but not always the most
focused on winning. I find that sometimes they can focus
most of their animus the war people they agree with
sixty eighty percent of the time, as opposed to people
(10:58):
who are communists and what s beam more, all of
us if they had the power to do so. So. Ultimately,
our libertarian brothers need to uh find the wins where
they can get them. But to sit up here and
and you know, to judge everything against the perfect world
in politics, which is designed to give you as little
of what you want. If you want to be mad
(11:20):
and just be you know, be mad about politics being
what it is, you can I'm not going to live
my life that way, you know.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
And I love this. Obviously these conversations headed in the
right direction. I will tell you if you're libertarian, if
you're watching some of these things, you're becoming dismade or frustrated,
say keep your powder dry, stay patient, stay in this process.
Rome wasn't destroyed in a day. The spoffle be either.
So we gotta make we gotta make these these step
(11:49):
by the way, elections have consequences. And if we don't
stick together here in these coalitions, the liberate, the Libertarians
of Maha, all these folks, and they're getting little things
here and there on the way, maybe not exactly what
you want to see, but you're getting far more than
what you ever would have seen if with a Kamala
as president. In fact, it would have been much worse.
And whoever comes around in twenty eight will be much worse.
(12:11):
When the pendulum swings back, it's going to be far
worse than it has been. Elections have constants. We don't
have a lot of time to talk about this, but
you just mentioned as we were on the phone before
we jumped on the air, here this Campbell plant. Save
the Campbell. Trump and the Energy secretary we had, Congressman
Heisagan has been working behind the scenes on this. We
(12:32):
know that the entire In fact, there's a group here
in West Michigan working on saving the Campbell. They went
to Washington, went to Lansing, f had a few folks.
Luke Meherman stayed rep here listening and taking this folks
up the ladder to get their voices heard. They're going
to save that plant now because of this.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
It's absolutely huge because when we talk about how elections
have consequences, that takes on two angles. Here, first electing
a Democrat slate in twenty eighteen, especially a Democrat governor
with all the power we get to an executive That's
why we went down this road, and then having Joe
Biden take the White House in twenty twenty one only
(13:14):
accelerated things further. So now you've had Lansing and Washington
all pushing the gospel of clean energy, where nobody cared
whether it worked. They just wanted you to do it.
They just wanted you to make the transition. And so
literally this week, Consumer's Energy had planned to decommission this
J H. Campbell Cole plant in West Alo this week,
(13:36):
a thirty first, and the Trump administration last week orted
them to not do that and to keep the plant
operating at twenty twenty four levels. Regulators observers have all
warned that we're going to have these energy shortfalls coming.
This is a known problem, and it's literally a woman
made problem. There's no urgency event that happens. This is
(14:02):
a policy maker, Governor Gretchen Whitmer deciding we should have
fewer resources and energy companies falling in line. Energy companies
are heavily regulated, so it makes sense for them to
want to be in lead and in line with the
people who regulate them. And so when the governor says jump,
(14:22):
they say how high? And everyone was going to jump
off that quest together until Donald Trump says, nope, you
got to keep them on. Michigan say some could not
save us from lockdowns, but he is keeping the lights on. So,
whether it's the state contexts or nationally, elections have consequences.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
Good friend James Dixon down I seventy five over on
X and of course the Michigan enjoy your podcast as always.
You can check him out to get the latest. We
appreciate you taking the time to be here with us.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
James, he blessed, justin thank you.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Can you hang on the phone for a second. We'll
be right back, folks back after this on West Michigan Live.
Roll it right along in the fastest hour radio fly
and right through we grab our news. Next and coming up,
we'll talk with somebody revolutionizing education. One of the good guys,
doctor Jerson, Marino Rihanno here at Cornerstone University, the twelfth
(15:22):
president as they kick off something that is unheard of.
It's the first of its kind. You're going to want
to hear it. It's happening, in fact, right in our
own backyard. The details on the way. Next on West
Michigan Live and what Radio. Justin Barklay joining us now,
the twelfth president of Cornerstone University, doctor your son Marino Rihanno,
(15:43):
and a pleasure today. Well, it's that time of year.
We've been seeing folks with the cap and gown pictures
watching it take place. In fact, I see them all
over social media right now, pictures of folks graduating, friends,
family members, and it's got to be a busy time
(16:04):
for you. Welcome inn We appreciate you taking the time
to be here with us today.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
It's great to be here justin thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
So let's talk a little bit because it's a good
time to do this. You know, I know you're kind
of on the cutting edge of things as as they
go in higher education. We've got a lot of happening.
It's not just education, it's in the country right now.
We really do seem to be going through this sort
of transformation process and that's you know, for good or bad.
(16:33):
I think it's going to lead us to a really
good place if we if we do the right things here.
But what about education, because doctor, you know, I'm a father.
I got two girls and you know they're only four
and two, but we're starting to homeschool, so we're kind
of getting into that process to think about what are
we going to do, where are they going to go,
how is this going to look like? What does higher
(16:54):
education even look like by the time they're ready to
step into it. And I think a lot of people
are in this boat right now. And that being said,
it's a very well they're rough waters currectly, no.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
You know, you're right justin they are rough waters. And
I think I think there are two fundamental questions about
higher ed right now that are happening. One it's what's
the value of a university education in today's world and market?
What is it? Right? And you can, you know, talk
about that question in lots of different ways. So you
see people speak about the public good of higher education?
(17:34):
What's the public good? What does it mean? Right? And
so I think that's one question, what's the value of it?
And I think parents, students are asking that, legislators, the
public in general is asking what is the value of
higher education now, of a college degree? Why? And what's
that for? That's the first question. The second brilliant question
(17:56):
is what's the best way or most effective way to
the liver in education today? Right? Because for hundreds of years,
let's put it that way, right, since the first universities
in Europe and twelve hundreds or so, it's always been
face to face, right, And so there's a sense in
which the brick and mortar campus, we believe is the
(18:19):
goal standard. But what's happened is, you know, now, for
many decades and especially in the last few years, because
of artificial intelligence, that's been being challenging significant ways that
perhaps there are better and more effective ways to deliver
an education now than the traditional brick and mortar campus
with human beings involved face to face. I think those
(18:42):
are the two most important questions happening now, and how
we answer those two questions will really determine what higher
education will look like and will accomplish in the next
many many decades. And I think actually are very very
important questions and very important conversation we're having about it, because,
(19:02):
as you know, higher education is a billions and billions
of dollars industry, right We spend a lot of money
in our country for higher education and and I think
because of that, we have a significant responsibility to be
good stewards of those moneies. Number one and number two.
Millions of our people, young men and women and adult
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learners are involved in this. And so education is a
public good because it shapes the culture. It just does.
It will shape industries, shapes the workforce, shapes culture and values.
So these two are very important conversations for us to
be having right now.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Yeah, I would agree. I look at this situation and
as you mentioned, there's a lot of people in our
you know, that that are that are maybe in our listener, uh,
in our audience, that are that are wondering about this
and particularly you know, what, what are are kids going
(20:01):
to come back with? What are they going to come
back like? And even if it's just across town or
down the road to a place beautiful campus like a cornerstone,
what what's going to happen to those kids when they're
actually on campus and when they're they're receiving their education
(20:22):
and some of the some of those questions are are
you know, look, I want my kids to be ready
for what? For life? And uh And a lot of
the people are saying I just don't want them to
come back and I don't recognize them in some bad way.
And that's happening too. Just the other day, and we
talked about this before the interview, but Mark Zuckerberg, with
(20:44):
the story out the other day, says college isn't preparing
students for today's job market. And you add that with
the debt burden and everything else to talk about, Uh,
you know, some of the student loan issues. Uh, that
can that can become a whole nother issues. So I
know you've you've taken a different approach on some of
these things, in fact early on to try to combat
(21:07):
some of this What are you all doing at Cornerstone
right now?
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Yep? So you know, great, great segue here, because I
think he Mark Zuper is right about this, the reckoning
that's coming. And we saw this a while back, and
we implemented a what we called a tuition reset. We
actually you know, dropped our cost significantly, a twenty two
percent tuition reset because one of the questions we you know,
(21:31):
we wanted to answer and answer well was to ensure
that we were providing significant value to our students, parents,
prospective students, and ensure that we're being good stewards of
what we have and what's given to us. And and
so that was a significant and bold move on the
part of Cornerstone University just a couple of years ago,
(21:52):
through the twenty two percent tuition reset. I think we're
one of the few, maybe the only institution in West
Michigan to take that aggressive boat step, the few in
the country to take a boat step and to say, look,
we want we want to provide phenomenal quality, phenomenal value
to you and want to do it to be great
stewards of resources and to address this debt issue that
(22:12):
people carry. That's one of the things we did right.
And we've also ensured that we are focusing on programs
and skills that are in demand in the market, and
we call this the CU Advantage. Right, we want to
ensure there are graduates leave the university with a strong
(22:32):
moral compass. We're a faith based university. It's not a
secret right. We're a Christian university. We call us as
a christ centered university and our mission is deeply Christian,
and we want to ensure that our students believe here
with moral skills, a strong moral compass, so they can
go into the community, their communities, their homes, their neighborhoods,
(22:55):
and places of work and provide moral leadership in the
way they live and how they work, work, and how
they think and how they speak. That is in great
need today. But we also want to ensure that our students,
as a part of the CU Advantage, leave Cornerstone with
what we call next gen industry skills that when they
(23:15):
walk into their jobs, they are ready many steps ahead
of other college graduates, not just you know, in moral
compass and moral reasoning, but also in how they communicate
and how they think about their work, the kind of
knowledge and body of knowledge expertise they have. You know,
we have something here that our faculty have been doing
(23:37):
for quite some time called Celebration of Scholarship, for example,
and most of our campus shuts down, actually all the
academics shut down for one day and students present research
in industry based research, in academic research they have worked
on for months, and they presented throughout the campus that day.
And it's a great opportunity and for our students to
(23:59):
then to bear all they have learned in our learning
and academics in industry and bring it together to present
their work and to show that we're not thinking just
book knowledge here, we're applying what we're learning and we're
bringing contributions to body of knowledge into the industry. And
so part of the CuO advantage is not just moral skills,
(24:21):
the moral compass. What it means to be a good
human being, a good citizen, a good person, what does
it mean to have faith in God? What fundamental questions?
But also then how do I work and lead and
serve in industries in the twenty first century. How do
I deal with artificial intelligence, data analytics, big data questions?
(24:44):
What are the implications of this for work? How do
I communicate in all the mediums of communication today and
do it effectively? How do I think and bring wisdom
in conversations and collaboration with colleagues? How you deal with
people who are different than ourselves either time less questions
but more relevant now than ever. So we bring all
that to bear and a CU advantage with all of
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our students. But then, just in the last few weeks,
justin we launched something to address the debt issue and
the effect of this issue to reach millions of students
that have some college and no degree. In West Michigan alone,
over seven hundred thousand adults have some college but no degree.
In Michigan over four million, and across the U as well,
(25:30):
over one hundred million adults some college no degree. So
we launched a program called SORE. It is the only
program in the country that delivers a fully accredited Strategic
business Management undergraduate degree and a mobile phone platform, and
you can do the entire degree on your phone. Fully
(25:50):
accredited it's a tremendous price point, fifty percent of the
cost of any degree out there or less for and
it is. We've had phenomenal reception in the market. Students
are enrolled. Now we're growing that enrollment. We have lots
of corporate partnerships. But our goal is to bring a strong,
(26:13):
moral based education, world class strategic business education with via phone,
with great faculty, great content, some of the most cutting
edge learning techniques, and the most beautiful user experience. Because
we believe we can deliver a world class education at
a fraction of the cost and help address a significant problem.
(26:37):
Millions of Americans, thousands in West Michigan, four million in
Michigan with some college and a degree that has to
change justin and we want to bring a world class
education to them via SORE and via Corstal University.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
Yeah, I really I like the approach here to the future.
I mean it is now. The future is now. These
things are happening. Yeah, you're meeting people right where they
are too with this technology. What do you what kind
of what do you where do you see things going
with AI? I mean it's so it's so wild that
(27:15):
you know, watch this. I feel like, you know, When
I look at it, there's so much positive but also
a great opportunity for negative as well. When you look
at this technology, I can't imagine having had it as
a kid, A is very curious and wanted to learn
about all kinds of different things. And it's I mean
you literally you can have it in your palm of
your hand any moment of the day.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Yeah, I mean, look, the average adult. We usually you know,
us adults with critique young people, you're on your phone
all the time, right, The reality is that US adults
are on our phones all the time. The average is
you know, some were four and a half hours a
day or something. I mean, it's significant, and most high
school students do everything on their phone. Now. It is
(27:59):
a platform, and I think in the future will be
the platform beyond iPads and that's desktops and laptops. It's
gonna be it's gonna be the phone. Right. So we
wanted to get there first and bring a world class education,
a credit education at a fraction of the cost to
the phone, and and and so that people could go
(28:20):
through it at their pace and and do something that
they've always wanted to do, but that the current model
of higher education is not addressing or meeting or providing.
That's just the reality. Look, you can talk about all
the beautiful things of American higher education, and justin you know,
I wasn't born here. I was born in South America.
We came here to the land of opportunity forty years
(28:42):
ago and we knew that education, American education the best
in the world. Right, So we knew that coming here.
But the reality is also that the way we've organized
it is not meaning the needs of a lot of people.
That that's we can't That's just the reality. And it's
up to universities to address that, not to be complacent
(29:02):
and sent our laurels, but to be proactive and to
actually serve the public. Right. So, when you speak about
AI and what happens, I think if universities do not
grab AI and stewarded well and effectively, I think AI
will lead to the closure of lots of universities. Right.
(29:23):
I think university's academics are part of the lowest hanging
fruit for AI to take away. Quite frankly, because time
and again of the last two years, it has been
demonstrated that AI can fulfill or serve the educational needs
of people in America and beyond. It's just the reality
(29:43):
it's there. I think it was last year, in the
last two years, a student from Harvard used Chad GPT
to do all of his first year, one semester of
his first year experience at Harvard and submit all these assignments.
It was Chadgypt doing them. He submitted them as a
test to see if the faculty at Harvard could pick
(30:04):
up on it, and they did not. And I think
the lowest grade one I believe was a B mis
or B plus. Just in the last week, I think
chag GPT demonstrated, you know, excellence, the ability to pass
a significant professional licensure exam at a B plus range. Right,
So it's it's a significant issue now. And I think
(30:26):
the universities then have to think innovatively, something we're not
known for oftentimes at the universe. As the universities, we
have to be innovative. As Robert Eiger says that, well,
this is that you innovator, you die. Right. We have
to innovate or we're not going to exist. AI will
take over and it's up to us and to lead
that creatively, humanely, thoughtfully, proactively to serve the public to
(30:50):
serve our students. Otherwise I can see entire educational offerings
the purely VIAI, with no faculty involvement whatsoever. And I'll
tell you when this is dawned on me. It was
probably back in twenty ten. I met the founder of
at X, the first mook platform, the massive open online
(31:11):
course platform that Harvard and MIT put together way back
in twenty ten or so, and I actually invited him
to speak at a university at which I was serving.
He's a Polish mathematician, and he said to me, the
goal at MIT is the design learning so that faculty
are not evolve in any way, shape or form. That
(31:34):
was back in twenty ten. So I think that's the future,
and I think we have to lead that and not
sit otherwise we will not exist.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Doctor Gresson Marino Riano and the twelfth president of Cornerstone
University at a fantastic conversation. Matter of fact, it goes
even deeper than this. He's the subject of our podcast
this weekend. It drops Saturday morning. In fact, if you
want to watch it now and listen to it now,
it's up for all the folks who check us out
(32:05):
over on locals. But it will be on the iHeartRadio
app and everywhere else you download your podcasts, just search
Justin Barclay as we talk higher education, the rollout of
the first of its kind SORE program, some of the
real issues they're facing in the world of higher education,
Trump's latest and how it all impacts them and beyond.
(32:28):
And by the way, I think you're really gonna like
what he has to say if you're a parent and
you're looking for a school right now to send your kids,
like you know, I get four and two and so
you know, we got a little ways to go. But
what does that look like coming up on the horizon.
Fantastic conversation and you'll hear more of it again this weekend,
(32:48):
back with more wrap it up after this on West
Michigan Live. I'm Justin Barklay. The fastest hour of radio
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