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Wow, what a day.
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The latest out of Brown University.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Have they given up strange story here?
Speaker 4 (00:31):
Uh the mayor seemed going to get pizza during all this,
which is really really not and they they say, hey,
it's safe to go out. But we don't know anything
more about who this individual is and why he did
it unless they know some things they're not sharing with us. Well,
we'll give you the details of that story. The FBI
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Yeah, it seems like they've given up. The mayor out
for pizza. Providence police continue searching for apparently the man
who killed two and wounded nine others around university. Why
can't we know what the shooter was yelling? We've heard
(02:06):
stories about this, and of course, at the press conference
the other day, was asked, these press conferences are getting
kind of testy, by the way he was asked about that,
and I want to give you the details. I want
you to hear some from the press conference. The back
and forth is kind of interesting, old school journalism happening
for some of those folks trying to get answers there, Well,
(02:28):
you know, it sounds a little fishy. The FBI is
speaking of what stopping a New Year's Eve terror plot
by radical leftists aligned with with Muslim extremists as well.
It's kind of what it looks like here from some
of the stories we're hearing out in LA.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
They've stopped this big, big plot.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
All alleged a bombing caper in California after arresting four
defendants accused of planning that they wanted to plant improvised
explosive devices at multiple logistics center style targets around Los Angeles.
The Justice Department, describing the suspects tied to an anti government,
(03:13):
anti capitalist group, says agents seized bomb making materials before
any devices were built or deployed, and the prosecutors say
the plot was aimed to hit under the cover of
the Year's Eve noise and fireworks so that people wouldn't
know what was going on. Confusion there allegations now, the
case moving through the federal courts and the latest as
(03:36):
we continue to get it, But hats off the in
for that story and number who knows what could be
happening behind the scenes. As these stories continue to pour out,
three more boats have been blown up. As the President
now has declared after signing that executive order that fittnel
(03:58):
is a weapon of masters instruction. He talks about how
many thousands upon thousands, two to three hundred thousand die
every year that we know of, According to the President,
from fentnyl it is a drug that is more dangerous
than any other because it's not just the folks who
know that they're using it. There are folks that have
no idea they're coming into a contact with it that
(04:20):
are being impacted by it as well.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
Defentanyl flooding into our country. With this historic executive order
I will sign today, we're formerly classifying fentol as a
weapon of mass destruction.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
Yeah, we have more from that press conference on the
way this morning. We'll get to that your calls as well.
And it's a tech talk Tuesday, So we're going to
dig again.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
We got data center stories we got to share with you.
There's one.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
Here in Kent County that just got approval. I don't
know if you've heard the stories this morning of the news,
but we've got that piece. And opposition to these data
centers continues to build throughout the state. A number of
reasons for that. We'll try to discuss why and what
you plan coming up in the day's head. We saw
(05:14):
that one and Lowe will stop. That's interesting. But Microsoft
got one going up not too far from there. I
think that's in line with switch. Anyway, we'll talk with
good from Trent. Can it be affordabilized to a link
Michigan Drive and standing along the way this morning at
about like I said, nine nine thirty five or so,
here's the president.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Which is what it is.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
No bomb does what this is doing? Two hundred to
three hundred thousand people die every year that we know of.
So we're formally classifying fentandyl as a weapon of mass destruction.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
But before I signed the Fender.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
The way, that means whatever's coming in on those boats
is obviously a game order.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
We will piddy so.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
That that's I'm sure part of this.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
But this is something that is long overdue. I don't
think it's fitting. But there's another drug.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
In Philadelphia that's causing people. Have you seen the zombie parks.
There's places in Philadelphia where people are just they're like
hunched over, They're like in sort of a coma.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Ah, it's it's just so sick and sad, and.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
I don't know, I just you watch this happening and
you think that, well, this has to be intentional. There's
really no other way to describe it. When you have
things like this coming into the country, it seems like
beyond ridiculous that you would imagine that, Oh, just a coincidence. Yeah,
(06:52):
just a coincidence, this stuff coming into the country. It
has nothing to see here, There's really not there's really
nothing else. I just you know, people want to do
you they want to do the drugs. Let them do
the drugs and let them be done with it, I guess,
you know. But that's that's just not how I see it.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
In my mind.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
When I look at this, I see it coming from
places like China, some of these cartels working in concert
with the folks to get the precursors here and then
put it all together.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Yeah, there's a lot of money on the line.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
But there's also this this whole idea that you could
weaken the United States by doing this, and in fact,
I believe they are.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
I believe that's what part of this whole ordeal is
all about.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
Kind to learn from the British pushing opium on them,
Brian says in the chat. Interesting thought, and yes, you
I'll know more obviously as it continues to unfold, and
we'll we'll bring this. But I I believe this is
one of the reasons again you're going to see more
and more on these boat strikes. You're going to see
(08:06):
more and that people wondering like what's on the boats, Well,
it's another reason to bring that into the into the forefront.
People talking about where fentanyl comes from. Well, yeah, there's
no fentanyl like pre made on the boats, but they're
probably precursors.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
There's probably other things as well.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
Cocaine, they cut that stuff from what I understand, the fennel,
they'll use that.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
And other things.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
That's the thing that's so dangerous about this, this this
this particular weapon of mass destruction as he talks about
it is it is very sick. But they'll put it
in all kinds of things. And people, like I said,
don't even realize, they don't think they're taking anything out
(08:49):
of the ordinary, and yet they're there. They are getting
sucked into this thing that I mean, you come in
contact with it and you're you're out unless you got
some narcan. And by the way, just a small amount
could take out an entire city population. So uh, that's
(09:13):
that's the latest on on that. But I've got this
press conference Brown University. There's continue to be so many
questions about this, what exactly happened, and they are mom man,
they are silent, which tells me there's a lot going
on here that they know that they did not want
to release for whatever reason.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Part of that might be that they know more about
who did this.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
They're trying to find that individual, and so giving out
more information would hinder that investigation. So I understand that
may be part of it. You ken, because they just
released yesterday images pictures of it. There's somebody who's it's
a wait, wait a minute. I saw this press conference
where they're saying, you got all these cameras and you
(09:57):
can't show us more images. You're telling me you don't
have more image of the individual. I mean, some of
the reporters, and these are like local reporters in Providence
are just getting fed up. They're fit to be tied
with these, but they're learning from the police and the
mayor there in Providence.
Speaker 6 (10:13):
There is a report shooter yelled something right before he
shot came in could you tell us what that?
Speaker 2 (10:19):
What that was? Yah?
Speaker 7 (10:21):
Part of the investigation, Johnny woop ja.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
Yeah, I'm looking at the body language of the chief.
There is a it seems like a local reporter who's
asked the question, and the chief is saying John saying
his first name, and he's kind of like nodding, like
you know, we can't tell you right now, but you
just you stop on this question. He's kind of You
can watch if you see this behind the scenes livestream, Facebook, Twitter, XSROM,
(10:47):
We'll get our locals YouTube, we're all over the place,
justin Barkley dot com as well. Uh, you can see
the video and later on you'll be able to go
back and watch it if you like to.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
We don't care how you watch or listen. We just
want you to be here.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
And that's that's really, that's really why we do all
of this. We want people to be able to get
the news, the story's context. Do you want to hear
anywhere else? But this guy is kind of giving him
the old. Look, I've seen this, I've been on the
other end of it the time or two. Look, Uh,
it just play nice right now.
Speaker 7 (11:24):
Yeah, it's part of the investigation.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Johnny Woop.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
I asked that, though, is you could see the eyebrows
go up and John knows he's getting it, whoever John is,
because then he says, well, you know, the only reason
I asked that is a he's trying to appeal to
the chief now.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
But this is why I'm asking it. Is there a reason.
Speaker 6 (11:45):
His brother the writing?
Speaker 1 (11:47):
So is it?
Speaker 3 (11:47):
It's possible that's a local providence reporter, A.
Speaker 6 (11:51):
Friend or family member might recognize if the person said
something that was significant.
Speaker 7 (11:58):
Correct, Why you don't other?
Speaker 6 (12:01):
Is there anything else inside.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
That that's correct?
Speaker 6 (12:06):
That?
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Listen?
Speaker 7 (12:07):
Like I said, earlier investigations will bring us to evidence
that we need to collect in order to be able
to prosecute. But with that being said, with that being said,
we're going to continue to collect evidence, and if he
leads us to something to that nature, that's going to
be extremely helpful for us to identify. Somebody will be
the first ones to put it out.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Question Did.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
I want to follow up John's It's the last thing
we want. And look what you'veloping the canting.
Speaker 6 (12:41):
But yell in the human classroom and how valuable have
witness statements been from those who survived?
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Listen?
Speaker 7 (12:48):
My heart goes out to the victims, it goes out
to the families, and I'll tell you that there there,
their cooperation has been extremely helpful.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Nothing here.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
Let me let me tell you why all this matters,
because there's other questions. One of the individuals that was
shot was the vice president of the Young Republicans. Apparently
she was very outspoken Christian conservative there on campus, kind
of like that Charlie Kirk of the campus so to speak.
I guess you could say, beautiful young woman and her
life snuffed out, gone far too soon. You just get
(13:19):
it's unimaginable. Normally when these types of folks, and you
can make a case maybe she was targeted, maybe she
was the target of this whole attack.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
We don't know.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
But normally when people and that's why it would be important,
what did this person yell out?
Speaker 3 (13:34):
We want to know.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
Normally, when you get these types of attacks, or there's
somebody that attacks on a campus, what they do is
they go into inflict as much damage as possible and
they stay until they're killed. Nine times out of ten,
sometimes they try and get away. This person minimal when
it comes to you know, the police arriving on the scene,
(13:56):
that type of thing that the damage. You said, what,
two people are dead, nine people injured. Those aren't small
numbers necessarily, but I guess they could be small in
terms of this sort of thing. So it has people
asking these questions and the police they're a providence out
for pizza, etc. They're not They're not really interested in
answering those questions. The other question would be, how can
(14:17):
you reassure the public is safe, but say the suspect
is armed and dangerous. How do you how do you
square those two reasons.
Speaker 8 (14:27):
To believe that this person is no longer in the community,
because can continue to try to reassure the public that
they are safe, but you also give sent a shut up.
Speaker 6 (14:35):
This person you believe in are endangerous.
Speaker 9 (14:37):
So how can you be true?
Speaker 7 (14:38):
Well, yeah, yeah, right, and that's something that's unknown. But
like the may have stated, I'll tell you that we
having enhanced enforcement in that area. We have step stated earlier,
we having a lot of offices in the area, So
in that sense is going.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
To be safe.
Speaker 9 (14:52):
But however, as well, I just want to remind the
community that our priority in law enforcement and in the
city is to keep our individual are constituous safe keep
them informed and to keep them committed, to understand that
we're a professional with dedicated we're going to put somebody
in handcuffs, and we're going to continue to do this job.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
So I want to know they are no longer in
this community.
Speaker 7 (15:13):
That's something that we're continuing to investigate.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
They I don't know, then, I don't know according to
the reports, I don't know a thing or two about
any of it. And apparently I don't know how the
people of Providence are more upset right now at these folks.
And I understand how there's certain things I can't tell
us because it would enter the investigation.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
But they need to say that, and they need to
be very open. Yeah, it's safe.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
We don't know who it is, we don't know why
he did it, but totally say if he's armed, the
danger shouldn't go on going about your life.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
It's stunting.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
They said things were safe before he decided to attack
the school. Incredible, folks. You can't make this stuff up.
But again, if if it goes against the narrative, that
may be why you're not getting any answers right now.
Fascinating conversation one will continue to have. Of course, you
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Can it be affordableized store Lake Michigan Drive and stand
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up in just moments. Data centers are all the rage
right now in Michigan, and some people speaking of rage,
are sort of enraged by them all.
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And it's a story.
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It needs to be highlighted because this isn't going away
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All right, let's dig into it. Folks digging in right now,
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They're good friend. Trent Kendebby is in with us as
we speak.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
And like I said, Trent, there's a story flowing around
right now. It's on the Midwesterner. We had this earlier today.
And what's what's wild is Lion Township where this took place.
These residents are already learned about these data. This is
one particular project, the data center projects that are picking
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up a lot of controversy right now. This one they
learn about its approval three months later. You can't make
this up. Good morning, Welcome in Trent.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
How are you, good morning?
Speaker 4 (22:16):
Justin So let's walk through this story, but also the
broader angle of what's really going on with these data
centers and the thing that I think people have most
problem with is they're not included in the process. Some
people may want them, some people may not want them.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
You know. I think it's going to be very similar
to like power, like energy that we have.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
Essentially, we're gonna have to deal with this on a
very big level at some point to compete on the
world stage, but also just for our own purposes right
here on the backyard. We're going to have to have
access to power for industry, for our homes, for whatever
it might be, for whatever reason, maybe even powering these
data centers. And we need to do it in a
(23:00):
way that doesn't you know, put us all in the
you know, in the poorhouse for trying to just pay
or light bill.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
That has to get addressed. But nobody, if you ever
think about this, ever wants a windmill. Uh. Solar farm,
coal plant, you know, gas or or nuclear. Nobody wants
any of those things in their backyard, but we all
need something.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
So this is kind of along the same lines.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
The conversation it happens here, I think needs to take
place where people have to be well informed. They have
to be well educated on so they can make the
best decisions. But ultimately they ought to be involved in
the process. That didn't happen here in Lion Township, it
sounds like. But let's dig into the whole conversation. Bring
us in trend.
Speaker 8 (23:48):
Yeah, just a lot of good points that you touched
on there. We'll try to try to go through a
few of them. So communication, just to think of your
small business, medium business. They use press releases, they use
you know, if you're a a retail story you have
a grand opening, you tell people weeks, months, years in
advance of your opening to promote what you're doing, to
gain publicity, to tell people because it's exciting, it's positive.
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It's complete opposite for these kind of big projects, And
obviously it completely smells fishy that they're hiding things. They're
hiding the impact of these projects, they're hiding the long
term effects of these projects. They're hiding the financial risks
of these projects and the environmental risk of these projects.
And let's jump into that real quick. So data centers,
(24:34):
we hear about this all. Let's make that clear. A
data center might be an accurate name for it because
they're storing and working with large amounts of data. But
these are their express purpose of these things is not
a data center to store server information for your business
or email server whatever. These are AI hubs. The majority
function of these systems, these server farms, these data centers
(24:56):
so called our ais hubs. So maybe we should call
them AI centers instead of data centers to make it
crystal clear what the intention is goal is. The next
thing let's talk about real quick is the size of
these It's really hard to cut through and figure out
how big is this project? What's the scope of this?
So this current project Endoor is proposed at two hundred
(25:19):
and seventy megawat And just to give you a little example,
every hundred megawat is approximately one hundred thousand homes. Okay,
City of Grand Rapids downtown has about eighty five thousand homes. Okay,
this is two hundred and seventy using rough math two
hundred and seventy thousand homes, and they have over five
(25:40):
hundred acres at their proposed sites, and they have room
for future expansion. This is a small half maybe quarter
to a half size of what the physical property can
handle as far as further future expansion. So they have
the physical space to have one game watt which is
(26:00):
a thousand data center, which is almost one hundred thousand homes.
So you're talking a massive amount of power. And justin,
let's bring this all back full circle. What if this
AI center doesn't work? Where did the money come from
to fund this? Where did all the resources go that
built out the physical infrastructure, the parking lots, the building,
(26:23):
the servers, the racks, the storage. What's happening with all this?
Is this going to be a write off that's coming
off our bottom line as a tax bailout as investors
are going to get, you know, the losses on their
end if this fails. Justin, look at the past years
of things that went boom and bust. Think of when
the cannabis industry took off in twenty eighteen twenty twenty eight.
(26:46):
In that timeframe, massive growth facilities were built quickly with
massive investor capital billions of dollars invested, and a lot
of those went completely bally up within a year or
two and it's all just a waste, a right off.
Somebody's left paying that bill. And this is on the
scale of one hundred x times of some of these
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past boom and bus So not saying that I'm against
all AI and data centers or AI centers, whatever, I
think we need to really understand a lot better who's
holding the bill for this if it fails, and if
we can't even get basic information ahead of time to
start that vetting process, to start to understand the impact
on our communities what this looks like for us. That's
(27:29):
a really scary proposition when you're talking about ten to
twenty times or one hundred times the power requirement of
all of the houses in downtown Grand Rapids prior worth
of power.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
That's correct, all right, So let's talk about so part
of this is, this is a really good point, but
it's just barely scratching the surface. Part of this is
where's the power going to come from? The power of
these well Trump administration. Trump has said one of the
things we need to do is when you cut red
tape so they can build and.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Have their own power plants.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
And I think that definitely is that if these people
want to come in and they want to build, they
need to be self sufficient. In other words, they shouldn't
be a strain on the already strained grid. I mean,
we've already heard and seen issues with blackouts, brownouts and
things of that nature here and not just here in Michigan,
all cross the country in different ways. This is before anybody
plugs their tesla in. You know, they were always pushing
(28:17):
these electric vehicles and we said this is this is
not gonna We told you this from the beginning. This
is not going to end well. We see a rising
demand and this is gonna go along with you having
to pay more for your electric bill. It's just supply
the man. That's how it works. That's on the sort
of the best end of the news. The worst end
of the news is during a very frigid cold day
(28:39):
like today or any other winter day here in Michigan,
maybe there won't be enough power to actually power your
home and the heat and keep things warm and they'll
have to turn things off. Or during a very hot
summer day, those are part of the picture. The other
issues we see is the water in these places, all
(29:00):
the water that they might use, and are they going
to tap in, you know, to the Great Legs or
to some of our aquifers and whatnot.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
You know, if you look at this.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
Over over on, I think the report about this particular
one in Gains Township.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
This they say, the Michigan.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
Is is particularly a really good place for our targets
for these these ai or these data centers.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Well, why is that? It's our natural resources? For one.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
The other issue people wonder about is what about when
some of this stuff catches fire and then you have
environmental concerns and impact that may be a problem because
a lot of these are not trying to build in
urban areas. They're trying to build these in farmland, in areas,
in rural areas where people, you know, for the larger
(29:50):
part don't want that type of thing and the construction
that might take, the traffic that will go down the
roads to build it. Then another piece is this, and
I don't know how much you're prepared to talk about this,
maybe it's something we put on hold for another time,
but this electromagnetic EMF sort of pollution they call it.
That can come off of these that would possibly have
(30:12):
impacts on people and people that they probably don't even
understand what this is. But EMF can be a big
problem for some folks.
Speaker 8 (30:21):
Yeah, justin you mentioned a whole bunch of concerns there.
So EMF mainly that's local for staff members that man
those facilities. There's not a lot of EMF that would
go long enough range to affect people community though there
is different frequency resonance things that I'm sure will be
talked about years from now that we don't even understand yet,
So there's some legitimacy there. But to your point, an
(30:44):
electrical grid, let's think about something called distortion and harmonics.
These computer systems, the type of power that they use
and how it's modulated makes the power grid very dirty.
It makes the power very not clean, and that shortens
the lifespan of the average Joe's appliances. So again, if
they make their own power and they have to deal
(31:04):
with their own power cleanliness, it's called to make it
simple that that could mitigate that. But I doubt they're
going to have any ability to disconnect these things from
the existing grid because short term, I don't think they're
going to have enough nuclear local power or whatever ability
to spool up their own local power resources for this
for redundancy. It's going to go into the grid, and
(31:25):
then the power is very dirty to the people around
the grid. So you refrigerator that has frequency drives, other
appliances in your house, the lifespan is severely shortened. We
already have problems with stuff lasting over five or ten years,
you know, appliance as wise in the house. The last
thing we need is some other variable coming in there
killing them. And how do we prove that. How do
(31:45):
we say, yep, the data center killed my fridge. It
sounds crazy, but it's factual. You can look it up
justin Harmonics is a real thing, and it shortens our
appliance as lifespans.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
The data center killed my fridge, I can imagine. But yeah,
these are questions. What we're talking about here is something
simple and this is a big This is a big conversation,
but it ought to happen because everyone needs to be
a part of this and to break these things down.
And on one hand, you think that these types of movements,
as far as putting these data centers in, they should
(32:18):
be or could be done a little slower right, that
would be maybe the wise way to take, the wise
approach to take. On the other hand, they're saying uh,
and Trump Administration's partially behind this is saying, look, we've
got to get into this otherwise we'll never be able
to compete with people like China. So uh, We're going
to have continued conversations on these data centers and and
(32:38):
dig into some of the issues behind it a little
bit further. Bottom line is, no matter what happens, the
people in these areas need to be involved in the decisions,
whether they want them or not, and then needs to
be more education. We need to take a step back
and learn more about it. We'll do that in the
coming days with trin Can it be affordable eye Store
Lake Michigan Drive and stand out before we do. This
kind of reminds me as government goes full force on
(32:59):
things like this. We just saw the story of the
outcome on this again, poor Greta. Here's another piece of
bad news for Greta. Oh Dan you Ford to record
nineteen point five billion dollars in special charges related to
EV pullback. So they're cutting the lightning, They're canceling some
of these programs they just didn't sell on the market,
(33:20):
and it kind of reminds me of that. But at
the same time, Trump is out there in the administration
saying we want to hire one thousand specialists for a
tech force to build AI and finance projects. So it
is a balanced conversation and one we will have to
continue to have at another time because as I mentioned,
(33:42):
there's just so much nuance to all of this that
we're not gonna have all the answers today, but at
least we can begin the conversation to get you talking
and thinking about it. Always a pleasure, my friend. Thank
you so much for being here with us and the
last time of the year. Next time we see you,
it'll be next year, so we'll wish you both a
merry Christmas and a happy New Year as we send
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you off today, Trent, Always a pleasure, my friend.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
Thank you so taking for the much for taking the
time to be here with us.
Speaker 8 (34:10):
Thanks justin hope you have a good old year and
beginning Venier, hope we see each other again.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
A couple of weeks you too, my friend. Trent.
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Uh the mayor seemed going to get pizza during all this,
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Yeah, it seems like they've given up. The mayor out
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who killed two and wounded nine others around university. Why
can't we know what the shooter was yelling? We've heard
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stories about this, and of course, at the press conference
the other day, was asked, these press conferences are getting
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and I want to give you the details. I want
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and forth is kind of interesting, old school journalism happening
for some of those folks trying to get answers there, Well,
(02:28):
you know, it sounds a little fishy. The FBI is
speaking of what stopping a New Year's Eve terror plot
by radical leftists aligned with with Muslim extremists as well.
It's kind of what it looks like here from some
of the stories we're hearing out in LA.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
They've stopped this big, big plot.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
All alleged a bombing caper in California after arresting four
defendants accused of planning that they wanted to plant improvised
explosive devices at multiple logistics center style targets around Los Angeles.
The Justice Department, describing the suspects tied to an anti government,
(03:13):
anti capitalist group, says agents seized bomb making materials before
any devices were built or deployed, and the prosecutors say
the plot was aimed to hit under the cover of
the Year's Eve noise and fireworks so that people wouldn't
know what was going on. Confusion there allegations now, the
case moving through the federal courts and the latest as
(03:36):
we continue to get it, But hats off the in
for that story and number who knows what could be
happening behind the scenes. As these stories continue to pour out,
three more boats have been blown up. As the President
now has declared after signing that executive order that fittnel
(03:58):
is a weapon of masters instruction. He talks about how
many thousands upon thousands, two to three hundred thousand die
every year that we know of, According to the President,
from fentnyl it is a drug that is more dangerous
than any other because it's not just the folks who
know that they're using it. There are folks that have
no idea they're coming into a contact with it that
(04:20):
are being impacted by it as well.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
Defentanyl flooding into our country. With this historic executive order
I will sign today, we're formerly classifying fentol as a
weapon of mass destruction.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
Yeah, we have more from that press conference on the
way this morning. We'll get to that your calls as well.
And it's a tech talk Tuesday, So we're going to
dig again.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
We got data center stories we got to share with you.
There's one.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
Here in Kent County that just got approval. I don't
know if you've heard the stories this morning of the news,
but we've got that piece. And opposition to these data
centers continues to build throughout the state. A number of
reasons for that. We'll try to discuss why and what
you plan coming up in the day's head. We saw
(05:14):
that one and Lowe will stop. That's interesting. But Microsoft
got one going up not too far from there. I
think that's in line with switch. Anyway, we'll talk with
good from Trent. Can it be affordabilized to a link
Michigan Drive and standing along the way this morning at
about like I said, nine nine thirty five or so,
here's the president.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Which is what it is.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
No bomb does what this is doing? Two hundred to
three hundred thousand people die every year that we know of.
So we're formally classifying fentandyl as a weapon of mass destruction.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
But before I signed the Fender.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
The way, that means whatever's coming in on those boats
is obviously a game order.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
We will piddy so.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
That that's I'm sure part of this.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
But this is something that is long overdue. I don't
think it's fitting. But there's another drug.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
In Philadelphia that's causing people. Have you seen the zombie parks.
There's places in Philadelphia where people are just they're like
hunched over, They're like in sort of a coma.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Ah, it's it's just so sick and sad, and.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
I don't know, I just you watch this happening and
you think that, well, this has to be intentional. There's
really no other way to describe it. When you have
things like this coming into the country, it seems like
beyond ridiculous that you would imagine that, Oh, just a coincidence. Yeah,
(06:52):
just a coincidence, this stuff coming into the country. It
has nothing to see here, There's really not there's really
nothing else. I just you know, people want to do
you they want to do the drugs. Let them do
the drugs and let them be done with it, I guess,
you know. But that's that's just not how I see it.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
In my mind.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
When I look at this, I see it coming from
places like China, some of these cartels working in concert
with the folks to get the precursors here and then
put it all together.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Yeah, there's a lot of money on the line.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
But there's also this this whole idea that you could
weaken the United States by doing this, and in fact,
I believe they are.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
I believe that's what part of this whole ordeal is
all about.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
Kind to learn from the British pushing opium on them,
Brian says in the chat. Interesting thought, and yes, you
I'll know more obviously as it continues to unfold, and
we'll we'll bring this. But I I believe this is
one of the reasons again you're going to see more
and more on these boat strikes. You're going to see
(08:06):
more and that people wondering like what's on the boats, Well,
it's another reason to bring that into the into the forefront.
People talking about where fentanyl comes from. Well, yeah, there's
no fentanyl like pre made on the boats, but they're
probably precursors.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
There's probably other things as well.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
Cocaine, they cut that stuff from what I understand, the fennel,
they'll use that.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
And other things.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
That's the thing that's so dangerous about this, this this
this particular weapon of mass destruction as he talks about
it is it is very sick. But they'll put it
in all kinds of things. And people, like I said,
don't even realize, they don't think they're taking anything out
(08:49):
of the ordinary, and yet they're there. They are getting
sucked into this thing that I mean, you come in
contact with it and you're you're out unless you got
some narcan. And by the way, just a small amount
could take out an entire city population. So uh, that's
(09:13):
that's the latest on on that. But I've got this
press conference Brown University. There's continue to be so many
questions about this, what exactly happened, and they are mom man,
they are silent, which tells me there's a lot going
on here that they know that they did not want
to release for whatever reason.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Part of that might be that they know more about
who did this.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
They're trying to find that individual, and so giving out
more information would hinder that investigation. So I understand that
may be part of it. You ken, because they just
released yesterday images pictures of it. There's somebody who's it's
a wait, wait a minute. I saw this press conference
where they're saying, you got all these cameras and you
(09:57):
can't show us more images. You're telling me you don't
have more image of the individual. I mean, some of
the reporters, and these are like local reporters in Providence
are just getting fed up. They're fit to be tied
with these, but they're learning from the police and the
mayor there in Providence.
Speaker 6 (10:13):
There is a report shooter yelled something right before he
shot came in could you tell us what that?
Speaker 2 (10:19):
What that was? Yah?
Speaker 7 (10:21):
Part of the investigation, Johnny woop ja.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
Yeah, I'm looking at the body language of the chief.
There is a it seems like a local reporter who's
asked the question, and the chief is saying John saying
his first name, and he's kind of like nodding, like
you know, we can't tell you right now, but you
just you stop on this question. He's kind of You
can watch if you see this behind the scenes livestream, Facebook, Twitter, XSROM,
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We'll get our locals YouTube, we're all over the place,
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the video and later on you'll be able to go
back and watch it if you like to.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
We don't care how you watch or listen. We just
want you to be here.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
And that's that's really, that's really why we do all
of this. We want people to be able to get
the news, the story's context. Do you want to hear
anywhere else? But this guy is kind of giving him
the old. Look, I've seen this, I've been on the
other end of it the time or two. Look, Uh,
it just play nice right now.
Speaker 7 (11:24):
Yeah, it's part of the investigation.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Johnny Woop.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
I asked that, though, is you could see the eyebrows
go up and John knows he's getting it, whoever John is,
because then he says, well, you know, the only reason
I asked that is a he's trying to appeal to
the chief now.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
But this is why I'm asking it. Is there a reason.
Speaker 6 (11:45):
His brother the writing?
Speaker 1 (11:47):
So is it?
Speaker 3 (11:47):
It's possible that's a local providence reporter, A.
Speaker 6 (11:51):
Friend or family member might recognize if the person said
something that was significant.
Speaker 7 (11:58):
Correct, Why you don't other?
Speaker 6 (12:01):
Is there anything else inside.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
That that's correct?
Speaker 6 (12:06):
That?
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Listen?
Speaker 7 (12:07):
Like I said, earlier investigations will bring us to evidence
that we need to collect in order to be able
to prosecute. But with that being said, with that being said,
we're going to continue to collect evidence, and if he
leads us to something to that nature, that's going to
be extremely helpful for us to identify. Somebody will be
the first ones to put it out.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Question Did.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
I want to follow up John's It's the last thing
we want. And look what you'veloping the canting.
Speaker 6 (12:41):
But yell in the human classroom and how valuable have
witness statements been from those who survived?
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Listen?
Speaker 7 (12:48):
My heart goes out to the victims, it goes out
to the families, and I'll tell you that there there,
their cooperation has been extremely helpful.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Nothing here.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
Let me let me tell you why all this matters,
because there's other questions. One of the individuals that was
shot was the vice president of the Young Republicans. Apparently
she was very outspoken Christian conservative there on campus, kind
of like that Charlie Kirk of the campus so to speak.
I guess you could say, beautiful young woman and her
life snuffed out, gone far too soon. You just get
(13:19):
it's unimaginable. Normally when these types of folks, and you
can make a case maybe she was targeted, maybe she
was the target of this whole attack.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
We don't know.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
But normally when people and that's why it would be important,
what did this person yell out?
Speaker 3 (13:34):
We want to know.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
Normally, when you get these types of attacks, or there's
somebody that attacks on a campus, what they do is
they go into inflict as much damage as possible and
they stay until they're killed. Nine times out of ten,
sometimes they try and get away. This person minimal when
it comes to you know, the police arriving on the scene,
(13:56):
that type of thing that the damage. You said, what,
two people are dead, nine people injured. Those aren't small
numbers necessarily, but I guess they could be small in
terms of this sort of thing. So it has people
asking these questions and the police they're a providence out
for pizza, etc. They're not They're not really interested in
answering those questions. The other question would be, how can
(14:17):
you reassure the public is safe, but say the suspect
is armed and dangerous. How do you how do you
square those two reasons.
Speaker 8 (14:27):
To believe that this person is no longer in the community,
because can continue to try to reassure the public that
they are safe, but you also give sent a shut up.
Speaker 6 (14:35):
This person you believe in are endangerous.
Speaker 9 (14:37):
So how can you be true?
Speaker 7 (14:38):
Well, yeah, yeah, right, and that's something that's unknown. But
like the may have stated, I'll tell you that we
having enhanced enforcement in that area. We have step stated earlier,
we having a lot of offices in the area, So
in that sense is going.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
To be safe.
Speaker 9 (14:52):
But however, as well, I just want to remind the
community that our priority in law enforcement and in the
city is to keep our individual are constituous safe keep
them informed and to keep them committed, to understand that
we're a professional with dedicated we're going to put somebody
in handcuffs, and we're going to continue to do this job.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
So I want to know they are no longer in
this community.
Speaker 7 (15:13):
That's something that we're continuing to investigate.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
They I don't know, then, I don't know according to
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We don't know who it is, we don't know why
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It's stunting.
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They said things were safe before he decided to attack
the school. Incredible, folks. You can't make this stuff up.
But again, if if it goes against the narrative, that
may be why you're not getting any answers right now.
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Can it be affordableized store Lake Michigan Drive and stand
there locking in for a Tech Talk Tuesday segment coming
up in just moments. Data centers are all the rage
right now in Michigan, and some people speaking of rage,
are sort of enraged by them all.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
And it's a story.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
It needs to be highlighted because this isn't going away
anytime soon. It's how some of these folks in some
of these areas, the companies, even the maybe some of
the state, the well we'll say the governor for sure,
are going about this. That really have folks concerned? Trent,
can it be afordable?
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Eye store? Joining us now with that conversation and more
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All right, let's dig into it. Folks digging in right now,
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They're good friend. Trent Kendebby is in with us as
we speak.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
And like I said, Trent, there's a story flowing around
right now. It's on the Midwesterner. We had this earlier today.
And what's what's wild is Lion Township where this took place.
These residents are already learned about these data. This is
one particular project, the data center projects that are picking
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up a lot of controversy right now. This one they
learn about its approval three months later. You can't make
this up. Good morning, Welcome in Trent.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
How are you, good morning?
Speaker 4 (22:16):
Justin So let's walk through this story, but also the
broader angle of what's really going on with these data
centers and the thing that I think people have most
problem with is they're not included in the process. Some
people may want them, some people may not want them.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
You know. I think it's going to be very similar
to like power, like energy that we have.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
Essentially, we're gonna have to deal with this on a
very big level at some point to compete on the
world stage, but also just for our own purposes right
here on the backyard. We're going to have to have
access to power for industry, for our homes, for whatever
it might be, for whatever reason, maybe even powering these
data centers. And we need to do it in a
(23:00):
way that doesn't you know, put us all in the
you know, in the poorhouse for trying to just pay
or light bill.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
That has to get addressed. But nobody, if you ever
think about this, ever wants a windmill. Uh. Solar farm,
coal plant, you know, gas or or nuclear. Nobody wants
any of those things in their backyard, but we all
need something.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
So this is kind of along the same lines.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
The conversation it happens here, I think needs to take
place where people have to be well informed. They have
to be well educated on so they can make the
best decisions. But ultimately they ought to be involved in
the process. That didn't happen here in Lion Township, it
sounds like. But let's dig into the whole conversation. Bring
us in trend.
Speaker 8 (23:48):
Yeah, just a lot of good points that you touched
on there. We'll try to try to go through a
few of them. So communication, just to think of your
small business, medium business. They use press releases, they use
you know, if you're a a retail story you have
a grand opening, you tell people weeks, months, years in
advance of your opening to promote what you're doing, to
gain publicity, to tell people because it's exciting, it's positive.
(24:12):
It's complete opposite for these kind of big projects, And
obviously it completely smells fishy that they're hiding things. They're
hiding the impact of these projects, they're hiding the long
term effects of these projects. They're hiding the financial risks
of these projects and the environmental risk of these projects.
And let's jump into that real quick. So data centers,
(24:34):
we hear about this all. Let's make that clear. A
data center might be an accurate name for it because
they're storing and working with large amounts of data. But
these are their express purpose of these things is not
a data center to store server information for your business
or email server whatever. These are AI hubs. The majority
function of these systems, these server farms, these data centers
(24:56):
so called our ais hubs. So maybe we should call
them AI centers instead of data centers to make it
crystal clear what the intention is goal is. The next
thing let's talk about real quick is the size of
these It's really hard to cut through and figure out
how big is this project? What's the scope of this?
So this current project Endoor is proposed at two hundred
(25:19):
and seventy megawat And just to give you a little example,
every hundred megawat is approximately one hundred thousand homes. Okay,
City of Grand Rapids downtown has about eighty five thousand homes. Okay,
this is two hundred and seventy using rough math two
hundred and seventy thousand homes, and they have over five
(25:40):
hundred acres at their proposed sites, and they have room
for future expansion. This is a small half maybe quarter
to a half size of what the physical property can
handle as far as further future expansion. So they have
the physical space to have one game watt which is
(26:00):
a thousand data center, which is almost one hundred thousand homes.
So you're talking a massive amount of power. And justin,
let's bring this all back full circle. What if this
AI center doesn't work? Where did the money come from
to fund this? Where did all the resources go that
built out the physical infrastructure, the parking lots, the building,
(26:23):
the servers, the racks, the storage. What's happening with all this?
Is this going to be a write off that's coming
off our bottom line as a tax bailout as investors
are going to get, you know, the losses on their
end if this fails. Justin, look at the past years
of things that went boom and bust. Think of when
the cannabis industry took off in twenty eighteen twenty twenty eight.
(26:46):
In that timeframe, massive growth facilities were built quickly with
massive investor capital billions of dollars invested, and a lot
of those went completely bally up within a year or
two and it's all just a waste, a right off.
Somebody's left paying that bill. And this is on the
scale of one hundred x times of some of these
(27:06):
past boom and bus So not saying that I'm against
all AI and data centers or AI centers, whatever, I
think we need to really understand a lot better who's
holding the bill for this if it fails, and if
we can't even get basic information ahead of time to
start that vetting process, to start to understand the impact
on our communities what this looks like for us. That's
(27:29):
a really scary proposition when you're talking about ten to
twenty times or one hundred times the power requirement of
all of the houses in downtown Grand Rapids prior worth
of power.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
That's correct, all right, So let's talk about so part
of this is, this is a really good point, but
it's just barely scratching the surface. Part of this is
where's the power going to come from? The power of
these well Trump administration. Trump has said one of the
things we need to do is when you cut red
tape so they can build and.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Have their own power plants.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
And I think that definitely is that if these people
want to come in and they want to build, they
need to be self sufficient. In other words, they shouldn't
be a strain on the already strained grid. I mean,
we've already heard and seen issues with blackouts, brownouts and
things of that nature here and not just here in Michigan,
all cross the country in different ways. This is before anybody
plugs their tesla in. You know, they were always pushing
(28:17):
these electric vehicles and we said this is this is
not gonna We told you this from the beginning. This
is not going to end well. We see a rising
demand and this is gonna go along with you having
to pay more for your electric bill. It's just supply
the man. That's how it works. That's on the sort
of the best end of the news. The worst end
of the news is during a very frigid cold day
(28:39):
like today or any other winter day here in Michigan,
maybe there won't be enough power to actually power your
home and the heat and keep things warm and they'll
have to turn things off. Or during a very hot
summer day, those are part of the picture. The other
issues we see is the water in these places, all
(29:00):
the water that they might use, and are they going
to tap in, you know, to the Great Legs or
to some of our aquifers and whatnot.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
You know, if you look at this.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
Over over on, I think the report about this particular
one in Gains Township.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
This they say, the Michigan.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
Is is particularly a really good place for our targets
for these these ai or these data centers.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Well, why is that? It's our natural resources? For one.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
The other issue people wonder about is what about when
some of this stuff catches fire and then you have
environmental concerns and impact that may be a problem because
a lot of these are not trying to build in
urban areas. They're trying to build these in farmland, in areas,
in rural areas where people, you know, for the larger
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part don't want that type of thing and the construction
that might take, the traffic that will go down the
roads to build it. Then another piece is this, and
I don't know how much you're prepared to talk about this,
maybe it's something we put on hold for another time,
but this electromagnetic EMF sort of pollution they call it.
That can come off of these that would possibly have
(30:12):
impacts on people and people that they probably don't even
understand what this is. But EMF can be a big
problem for some folks.
Speaker 8 (30:21):
Yeah, justin you mentioned a whole bunch of concerns there.
So EMF mainly that's local for staff members that man
those facilities. There's not a lot of EMF that would
go long enough range to affect people community though there
is different frequency resonance things that I'm sure will be
talked about years from now that we don't even understand yet,
So there's some legitimacy there. But to your point, an
(30:44):
electrical grid, let's think about something called distortion and harmonics.
These computer systems, the type of power that they use
and how it's modulated makes the power grid very dirty.
It makes the power very not clean, and that shortens
the lifespan of the average Joe's appliances. So again, if
they make their own power and they have to deal
(31:04):
with their own power cleanliness, it's called to make it
simple that that could mitigate that. But I doubt they're
going to have any ability to disconnect these things from
the existing grid because short term, I don't think they're
going to have enough nuclear local power or whatever ability
to spool up their own local power resources for this
for redundancy. It's going to go into the grid, and
(31:25):
then the power is very dirty to the people around
the grid. So you refrigerator that has frequency drives, other
appliances in your house, the lifespan is severely shortened. We
already have problems with stuff lasting over five or ten years,
you know, appliance as wise in the house. The last
thing we need is some other variable coming in there
killing them. And how do we prove that. How do
(31:45):
we say, yep, the data center killed my fridge. It
sounds crazy, but it's factual. You can look it up
justin Harmonics is a real thing, and it shortens our
appliance as lifespans.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
The data center killed my fridge, I can imagine. But yeah,
these are questions. What we're talking about here is something
simple and this is a big This is a big conversation,
but it ought to happen because everyone needs to be
a part of this and to break these things down.
And on one hand, you think that these types of movements,
as far as putting these data centers in, they should
(32:18):
be or could be done a little slower right, that
would be maybe the wise way to take, the wise
approach to take. On the other hand, they're saying uh,
and Trump Administration's partially behind this is saying, look, we've
got to get into this otherwise we'll never be able
to compete with people like China. So uh, We're going
to have continued conversations on these data centers and and
(32:38):
dig into some of the issues behind it a little
bit further. Bottom line is, no matter what happens, the
people in these areas need to be involved in the decisions,
whether they want them or not, and then needs to
be more education. We need to take a step back
and learn more about it. We'll do that in the
coming days with trin Can it be affordable eye Store
Lake Michigan Drive and stand out before we do. This
kind of reminds me as government goes full force on
(32:59):
things like this. We just saw the story of the
outcome on this again, poor Greta. Here's another piece of
bad news for Greta. Oh Dan you Ford to record
nineteen point five billion dollars in special charges related to
EV pullback. So they're cutting the lightning, They're canceling some
of these programs they just didn't sell on the market,
(33:20):
and it kind of reminds me of that. But at
the same time, Trump is out there in the administration
saying we want to hire one thousand specialists for a
tech force to build AI and finance projects. So it
is a balanced conversation and one we will have to
continue to have at another time because as I mentioned,
(33:42):
there's just so much nuance to all of this that
we're not gonna have all the answers today, but at
least we can begin the conversation to get you talking
and thinking about it. Always a pleasure, my friend. Thank
you so much for being here with us and the
last time of the year. Next time we see you,
it'll be next year, so we'll wish you both a
merry Christmas and a happy New Year as we send
(34:04):
you off today, Trent, Always a pleasure, my friend.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
Thank you so taking for the much for taking the
time to be here with us.
Speaker 8 (34:10):
Thanks justin hope you have a good old year and
beginning Venier, hope we see each other again.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
A couple of weeks you too, my friend. Trent.
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