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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Your children are the arrows that you shoot into the future.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Get ready to strap any It's going to be a
heck of a riot. It's like drinking from a fire hose.
Never a dull moment. But yes, you'll hear the stories
you won't hear anywhere else, and we'll appreciate you being
here with us bing today. I'm justin Barclay. Is it
the key to saving the American family? Our guest today
says she's got it and the proof to back it up.
(00:24):
She's an actress, a truth teller, a fearless advocate for parents,
and she's calling out the system that created the mess
that we're in today. Sam Sorbo is here with us today,
author of Parents' Guide to homeschool Making education easy and fun,
to help you reclaim your authority, your kid's future, maybe
even your sanity and the nation while we're at it.
(00:48):
If you ever felt like something's off with the way
everything operates in schools, you're not crazy and you're not alone.
Today we're going to talk about how to break free
from that system and why homeschooling isn't as scary as
it seems. How faith, family, and freedom are all connected
in this battle for the next generation. Let's dive in
with Sam. That's a great question today. How do we
(01:10):
save the American family? I mean, it's obvious it's been
under attack for decades. Now, what are some of the
keys and are they closer than we can ever even imagine?
In fact, joining us to talk about this, it's a
subject close to home. U pun intended, Sam soorbo with
us right now. Sam, appreciate you being here with us.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
All that in a sense of humor too. I love it.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
You know, my wife and I my daughters are four
and two, and we just started homeschooling. We just started
this year, four year old, right right, we're so young.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
We live alone for a little while.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Well, let me give you like the first of all,
like the four year old loves it. She's just she's
the two year old. She kind of you know, she'll
just go along with anything else that's happening, you know.
But we wanted to just we wanted to do something
just to kind of burn the energy and everything else,
you know, just little activities, nothing crazy. But we found
(02:10):
at our church folks had a homeschool co op set up,
and so she really enjoys going to that and be
a part of it. Some of the things that they're
they're teaching are very very like high level concepts for
a four year old. It's like even for me, like
I'm learning things. But the way we landed on this was, like,
my so, my dad was a teacher for forty years
(02:32):
public schools, and my wife's grandmother was a teacher and
a principal and then eventually a superintendent, maybe the first
female superintendent in Michigan. She's ninety seven today. So we
both looking at schools going, oh my goodness, we can't
imagine sending our girls into this. What are we going
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to do? And that's so we landed it. But we've
had an amazing ride so far this year, and my
my wife was thinking like there's no way I can
do this, but she's done a fantastic job so far
and we couldn't be happier. So just to give you
the background or where we're at on this and to
(03:13):
see you talking about this, I feel like this is
something that I think I'm just really excited about more
and more people waking up to we're some of those people.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Yes, well, it's the freedom mindset, right. The schools teach slavery,
and they enslave you to them. And that's why parents
feel like, oh my gosh, I can't I don't know anything.
They've separated the family over generations, so the families now
people growing up were largely unparented. We are a largely
unparented society at this point. We've lost a tremendous generational knowledge.
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You know, Grandma's poultice for the grip or for you know,
the best recipe for turkey soup or whatever, is all
gone by the wayside. And I think I think that
that's sort of at our own peril. I think that's
a tremendous loss that we didn't really take into account
when we embraced the idea of institutionalizing our little bitty children.
(04:11):
I joked with you that your kids are four and two,
why are you schooling them already? But the fact is
that we have been made to feel beholden to the system,
and so if we don't do something along the lines
of the system, we feel like we are letting ourselves down,
or letting our children down, or whatever. I was there
(04:33):
with you when I started homeschooling. I had a second grader,
well soon to be third grader, right, and a first
grader and then a toddler. And I started with school,
of course, because my second grader had already attended first
and second grade and they were abysmal failures. And so
I said to my husband, I think I could homeschool
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the kids, and they I think I could fail at homeschooling,
but they'll still be better off as human beings. And
so what I try to do to empower parents is
have them relax about the academics, because because education really
is more about character and virtue and maybe a third
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of its academics. But what happens is when you instill
the character and the virtue and the child, the child
still desires to learn. But when you focus on the academics,
the child stops desiring learning in large part. Now, it
depends on how you go about it also, right, And
(05:38):
so I didn't completely, you know, extinguish my children's love
of learning, luckily, but that's because we homeschooled, you know,
in the morning for a couple hours and then they
had the rest of the day to go explore. And
the exploration is it feeds the curiosity engine of the child.
And so, yeah, you can sit the child down for
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you know, half an hour an hour here and there
and get some of the schooling that you believe in.
Basically all believe in school because we were taught to
believe in school, and so you can sort of get
that schooling into the child. But education is not data entry,
and we really have to get away from that model
that somehow if you perform well on a test, you're smart,
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and if you don't perform well on a test, you're not.
And you know, we have examples of that throughout our
lives of very very highly skilled, intelligent people who never
went to college who are like super successful in business
and also very happy in their personal lives. And then
we have the flip side of people who went all
the way through got the multiple degrees, are tremendously unhappy
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and can't can't hold a.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Job or whatever.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Right, So it's not that the school paradigm is this
hugely successful paradigm that we all should emulate. I mean,
I can't even say that out loud properly.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
It's it's wild because because as you mentioned, I like
think of my experience as a kid in school and
certain points of it, I think I probably enjoyed more
than others. And it's all the things that my kids
get to do now that I probably would have loved,
you know, just the freedom of like you said, the
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exploring and everything else. I think there's so much that
instead of allowing, like the way the public schools work,
allowing that kid to develop into who he or she
was created to be, it really is more about sort
of hammering out all of that and putting them into molds.
(07:41):
At least that's the experience I sort of felt like
I had right.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
So Instalms, it says raise up a child in the
way he should Proverbs, raise up a child in the
way he should go, and in his old age you
will not depart from it. I think there's a little
bit of a mistranslation in there, because it's not raise
up a child in the way you think he should go.
Raise up a child to discover who he's meant to be,
and then he will not depart from it. And so
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the idea is, how do you help him discover who
he is meant to be, not by sending him into
an institution that tries to make him conform to their
way of thinking or doing. And the fact is your
children want to be you children want to be adults.
They think adults are the coolest things, especially their parents.
Their parents are the coolest, and so they want to
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be their parents. So what's the best way to facilitate that.
And by the way, they should want to be their parents, right, Like,
let's take this head on. They want to be you,
they should want to be you. You should encourage them
to be more like you, and in fact, that will
make you a better person. And so it's a beautiful
paradigm that we have completely disrupted with our schools and
(08:50):
at our own peril, and we are seeing the results
of that. We're seeing de estimated families, children who are
just lost, the predation and young children in our schools
and outside of our schools, the child trafficking that's going
on right now, and the tremendous surge in the predator
population as well, and all of this, you know, we
(09:12):
can attribute at least to some degree to our schools.
So let's just abandon them, let's get rid of them,
and then let's talk about school choice.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Yeah yeah, Sam, So you wrote the book. Obviously, this
is I know it. Writing a book about anything is
got to be kind of a it's like a like
a journey emission, something you feel like you're called to do,
but this had to be so close to your heart.
Is like getting this into the hands of people so
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that they can understand it. I mean, one of the
biggest hurdles I just mentioned about my wife and her
thought was like, I don't know that I can do this,
but I know you have encouragement for that. Once you
take that first step, it's so you start to really
understand that it's completely diferent than you could have ever imagined.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Oh, I love that you say that, So I liken
it too. If you go see a silent film that's
black and white and grainy, that's the school and home
education is like Wizard of Oz or actually you know Avatar,
like it's three D, Dolby sound, you know, full color,
(10:23):
immersive like immersive. Actually is a really good way to
look at home education because one of the big discoveries
that I made when I first started, and I did
write a book called They're Your Kids, which documents, in
large part our journey as a family through home education,
the mistakes that we made and the triumphs that we had.
(10:44):
And so you know, when you look at it that way,
one of the big discoveries that I had was that
learning happens all the time. It's not sequestered in a classroom. Yes,
and you as a parent, yes, you're the teacher, but
ultimately the child is the teacher. The child is his
(11:05):
own teacher. And the reason I say that is because
we won't learn anything that we don't first purpose to
learn that, we don't first decide I want to learn that,
and then a teacher can help that. A teacher can
facilitate that, but so can a book, So can a
YouTube video, So can just going and watching somebody do
it for a while. There are plenty of different ways.
(11:27):
So can a documentary. There are plenty of different ways
of learning information that is available to a young person
that doesn't necessarily require the teacher or the professor. And
so am we so absorbed this paradigm of the teacher
with the classroom. The teacher is the spigot of knowledge
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that we actually adopted the trust the expert attitude throughout
the nation now, so that we just live through a
whole season of trust. The how did that work out
for us?
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Right?
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Don't question the expert. If you're questioning the expert, you're
questioning science itself. Yeah, and how never mind that science
itself is the act of questioning.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Right, yes, Oh my gosh, So I pulling my hair
out during that time, the whole time of hearing this,
and I said the same thoughts. And you know, Fauci,
you know, just asked him, I am the science. You
know this guy, It's like you couldn't you couldn't ask
any questions. And to me, that was the most frustrating
(12:35):
because I'm a I'm just like a like, I'm a
genuinely curious individual. I love asking questions because I love learning.
I love learning about new things and why does this happen?
And when I was a kid, like, I know, I
must have driven my parents crazy with the why why?
Speaker 1 (12:50):
What?
Speaker 2 (12:51):
We haven't quite gotten to that stage yet in our house,
but I knew I must have driven my parents crazy
with that. I just wanted to understand things. Today was
the toughest, Sam, I gotta tell you. I can break
down like topics and conversations about politics and economics and
all the stuff we're dealing with right now. But this morning,
(13:12):
right before I left to come here, we have in
our front door there's a wreath and there are birds
in the last three years they've come and they just
put a nest there and they lay their eggs and yeah,
and and they're back again this year. And the kids
(13:33):
are so thrilled. They're excited. They're finally old enough to
really kind of understand it all. And there were first
there was one little blue kind of like Robin Robin
egg in there, and then there was two, and then
yesterday three And every day they will get up and
my oldest said, like the second now, I think there's
going to be another one in there tomorrow. And I thought, well,
that's interesting, and they're sure enough there was. It was
(13:55):
just a wild today. Uh there were there were three
yesterday today there were only two. And so this caused
this whole I mean, I just my heart was broken
for I'm trying to like, oh my goodness, how do
I explain this to the girls. And so I you know, why, daddy,
(14:16):
why is there only two there? Now? You know? And
there were three yesterday. My oldest very upset about it,
and I told her, Honey, I just I don't I
don't know. Maybe it fell out, maybe the mom took
it somewhere else. I don't know, Maybe there's another nest
I didn't know what to say, and and things like
that like that. I think, you know, and she's so
(14:39):
into like learning about butterflies and little you know, all
the stuff like that. But it's a challenge.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Okay, I accept that it's a challenge. Uh and yet
what a what an incredible opportunity. So uh, you know what, sweetie,
I don't know why the eggs not there, but we
have this thing called the Internet, and we can actually
type a question in and see what about why an
(15:11):
egg might not be there? And you know what, why
don't we go to the library and take out a
couple of books about the life cycle of a bird
or you know, the dusting habits of the robin, or
just the birds of the you know, Pacific West or whatever. Right,
So these are all opportunities and it's important that children
(15:33):
understand life is real, real things happen, and we don't
dumb down things for children. We soften them a little bit,
but we don't dumb it down. So we don't say, well,
the egg's just gone, sweetheart, and there's no way to
know the answer to that, like, you know what, because
we're because we're afraid to have that conversation. Whatever it
(15:55):
might be right. But if the conversation is, you know,
too mature for a child, right, then then you you
can certainly go on a search for answers and you
obviously look at you know, what's written before you read
it out loud, and you handle it that way. She's four,
(16:17):
that will last less than ten minutes and she'll be
on to the next thing.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
But that's a perfect example. What you're saying is that
when your people you think about homeschooling and what that's
going to entail, but you're you're you're learning every minutive
of every day, and these kids there's always an opportunity, right,
and it's fun.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
And what happens is they revere you more. Your children
want to be you give them that opportunity, right. And
when you put the school between you and the child,
which is what you do when you drop the child
off at school, then the school becomes the authority, and
your authority in your own home is undermined, frankly, and
so instead of doing that, now you have opportunities that
(16:58):
you never thought you'd have. Some of them will be
fantastic and some of them are a little bit hard,
And yeah, it is hard, you know, She was so
expect expectant, but you know, maybe that egg was no good.
I mean, it's easy enough to tell the child, oh,
that that egg was no good, rather than to say, oh,
a marauding bird came and ate the egg.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Well, that that actually happened last year. She was too
young to remember, but we had a blue jay that
came in and.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
You know what, what a beautiful what a there's a
different opportunity, darling. You don't remember, but last year a
blue jay came and took one of the eggs and
it was very sad for the Robin family, but for
the blue jay. He he was so happy. He was
such a happy bird. Like so there are two sides, right.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
So it is because in that moment, like I'll just
tell you my wife's dad passed, their grand their grandpa
passed last last September. It was an easier conversation to
talk about that and to talk about how because they've
already learned, you know, about Jesus. And we said, well,
(18:08):
he's going to heaven, you know, And that was there
was no residual, at least anything that we saw that
was stuck with him there. This one was like, oh gosh,
what do we say, I don't know what you know.
I don't know what happened. But these are great examples
of how everyday life can turn into learning experiences. And
you're already teaching, so why not dive in.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
That's I couldn't say it any better. You said it perfectly.
I did a movie called Let There Be Light that
I wrote, and it's it's about a woman. Well it's
about a family, but the mother has cancer and the
children ask her, you know, what's going to happen, and
(18:55):
she has to tell them that God's will is what's
going to happen. And there's a really poignant scene where
she tells her boys that dying is like I'm going
into another room, but I'll be watching you. That people
have found very effective. So you know, and and by
(19:16):
the way, you can ask the other parents in your
co op, does anybody else come across this? What did
you tell your kids when something like this happened to you?
And that forms community and that's what we need. We
need more of that and less of the you know,
sort of offloading our parental responsibility into the school system
(19:36):
that won't take it anyway. The schools don't actually take responsibility.
They claim that they have the responsibility as a way
of infiltrating with a progressive agenda. But in every case
where the parents have sued the schools for failing to
teach their children to read, the judge has ruled it's
(19:56):
not the it's not the school's responsibility, it's the parents' responsibility.
And there's a young woman up in Hartford right now
who's suing Connecticut schools, the school board, and her local school,
I guess, for graduating her completely incapable of reading.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Wow. You know, I will tell you this. My dad
taught for forty years and one of the things that
I know he saw on what I saw during that
time is that the shifting, there was a shift between
parent involvement at school in those public schools, and then
there's just like that they stepped away and they completely abdicated,
(20:35):
and the minute that happened, everything fell apart. It's almost
like there's this mindset in society that I can just
outsource that whole part, you know, to somebody else can
handle it. But it doesn't work. I mean, you have
to be involved either way.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
I mean, I think we used to be much more
resilient as a culture and the schools certainly have softened
us in that sense that if the government's going to
take responsibility for this, then the government can take responsibility
for everything and uh and so that's and that's very
(21:12):
dangerous because we've become much weaker. So I don't think school.
I think originally the one room school house where the
kids learned copywork, which was based on the Bible, which
was basically morality teaching, which was the essence of school.
Was Hey, we need to get morality into our citizenship
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so that they understand rule of law and do unto others.
I think that that was probably the best use of
our time. But then after that it was co opted.
You've got you know, JD. Rockefeller and all of that,
that whole movement to to co opt the schools and
turn them into transmission belts to create good slaves, obedient slaves,
(21:57):
conforming slaves. And they were very sucessful. And the interim
time it was the slow movement, right, And that's what
your dad was probably teaching in was you know, it
started out okay, kids were responsible, their parents were involved,
they wore suits and ties to class. They you know,
(22:18):
they had self esteem, they had a virtue they respected honor.
All of these traditional values were in the schools, and
slowly they were just eroded and eroded and eroded. In
the nineteen sixties we got rid of the Bible. Then
we took prayer out of schools. So you're not beholden
to anybody but the government, right, and the government replaced God,
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and that's very dangerous. That is tyranny that devolves into
chaos and tyranny when you no longer have a population
that is self reliant but relies on the government, and
you no longer have a population that understands honor and
integrity and virtue, then all bets are off. And that's
(23:03):
a little bit where we are now. So that even
our legislators are flying to foreign countries to try to repatriate.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Criminals unheard of, unheard of.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Those people should be deported themselves. I think that they
should revoke that the people, the legislators who are flying overseas,
their passports should be revoked when they are overseas and
they are no longer welcome in the country because they
are actively trying to import chaos into our nation, and
shame on them. And they can appeal it. Sure, go ahead,
(23:40):
appeal it. But but I think that their passports should
be revoked and they can they can stay as a
guest of the nation that they go to because they
are no longer American. I had an anti American. Sorry
I went off on a tangent there.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
I love it. I had a guy call in today
and ask, Hey, if this guy was successfully never was
going to be, but if he was successful at breaking
this guy back, could he be arrested and charged with
a smuggling terrorists back into the country. And I thought,
what a great question. And it's fantastic because that's that's
what we're watching, and it's it's it's it's night and
(24:16):
day common sense. Somehow, I don't know. I guess I
think more people get this than what's being portrayed in
the news. I think it's obvious, it's clear, yes, and
everybody else is sort of masquerading like like it.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
But have you noticed that the people who understand it
are not active? You know, I haven't heard somebody. It
just occurred to me, revoke his passport, just don't let
him back in the country. Like why hasn't that come
up in the news or in I don't know, And
it could be I'm not reading everything all the time.
(24:50):
So but I look at that and I go, he's
an elected official. Something really needs to be done. Because
here's the thing he's willing to get on a plane.
What are we willing to do? What is the side
of good and the side of justice willing to do?
And it doesn't seem like it's a lot?
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Yeah or enough. Well, one of the most radical things
you can do nowadays, like the meme says, is get married,
have kids, teach him about God and all. It's one
of the most radical things you could do nowadays is
the homeschool your kids. Bringing it back to the book, Hey,
well then what can what can people do? What are
they going to because this is kind of like, from
(25:34):
what I understand, soup the nuts you want to get in,
you want to figure out how to get started. This
is the way to do. A Parent's Guide to Homeschool.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Yeah, so just in a nutshell, the school has taught
you how to think about education and they are liars.
So this book will teach you better how you should
be thinking about the education of your children. And once
you can recalibrate through using this book, which is it's
in part a work book right. Once you recalibrate, you'll
(26:02):
be set free and then all bets are off, and
then you have all of the sort of the ability
at your fingertips to go about homeschooling the way that
you choose and the way that and you'll know how
to choose how to homeschool your kids. That's that's the goal.
That's what people are telling me they are here, they
(26:23):
are feeling after they read the book is a sense
of a sense of freedom, a sense of understanding of oh, shoot,
I never thought of school that way, and I'm not
going to do that with my kids. I'm going to
do this differently and set them free from that. And
the exciting thing is when you embark on this and
you and you give your children the freedom to teach themselves,
and you show them how to learn and how to
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teach themselves, they go farther than your wildest dreams.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
It really is incredible to imagine, you know, what your
kids can be, and how how we've done such a
I guess it's a horrific job of it, but beating
out of them, you know what it is that they were,
they were born with, when they were created to be.
I'm going to get to full disclosure. I haven't read
(27:16):
the book yet, but I'm getting it because I want
to read and learn more about what I need to
be doing, and it's if there's anything that I can
do to support this whole journey. But I know my
wife is going to love it too. We got folks
in the chat today too that are excited to hear
from you. In fact, Terry says, tell Sam, thank you
to her everything you're doing in the fight, and Kevin
(27:36):
as well. And I know you've raised did you did
you have three kids?
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Yeah? Twenty three, twenty one, and nineteen.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Now wow, So that's that's a fantastic testament. I saw
that what what Tucker wrote about your family, and I
will say this, it's very similar. I've noticed this with
President Trump's family too. You look at those kids and
you can tell the job that was done is really
(28:03):
I mean, it's a testament to see what those kids
are like. You can see what the parents did. I mean,
it's incredible, but it's very true.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Yep, it's true. Your children are the arrows that you
shoot into the future.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Oh. I love that. Well, we're gonna leave it with that. Sam.
I love to talk to you again, thank you for
coming on, and thank you for all that you've done,
and we'll continue to do no doubt. The book again
is parents' guide to homeschool making education easy and fun.
We appreciate it taking the time I can.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
I tell people go to sorbostudios dot com for all
the information and if you want to reach out, you're
welcome to reach out there sorbostudios dot com.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Fantastic. Thanks again, God blessed. We appreciate you being here.
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She's an actress, a truth teller, a fearless advocate for parents,
and she's calling out the system that created the mess
that we're in today. Sam Sorbo is here with us today,
author of Parents' Guide to homeschool Making education easy and fun,
to help you reclaim your authority, your kid's future, maybe
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If you ever felt like something's off with the way
everything operates in schools, you're not crazy and you're not alone.
Today we're going to talk about how to break free
from that system and why homeschooling isn't as scary as
it seems. How faith, family, and freedom are all connected
in this battle for the next generation. Let's dive in
with Sam. That's a great question today. How do we
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save the American family? I mean, it's obvious it's been
under attack for decades. Now, what are some of the
keys and are they closer than we can ever even imagine?
In fact, joining us to talk about this, it's a
subject close to home. U pun intended, Sam soorbo with
us right now. Sam, appreciate you being here with us.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
All that in a sense of humor too. I love it.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
You know, my wife and I my daughters are four
and two, and we just started homeschooling. We just started
this year, four year old, right right, we're so young.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
We live alone for a little while.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Well, let me give you like the first of all,
like the four year old loves it. She's just she's
the two year old. She kind of you know, she'll
just go along with anything else that's happening, you know.
But we wanted to just we wanted to do something
just to kind of burn the energy and everything else,
you know, just little activities, nothing crazy. But we found
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at our church folks had a homeschool co op set up,
and so she really enjoys going to that and be
a part of it. Some of the things that they're
they're teaching are very very like high level concepts for
a four year old. It's like even for me, like
I'm learning things. But the way we landed on this was, like,
my so, my dad was a teacher for forty years
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public schools, and my wife's grandmother was a teacher and
a principal and then eventually a superintendent, maybe the first
female superintendent in Michigan. She's ninety seven today. So we
both looking at schools going, oh my goodness, we can't
imagine sending our girls into this. What are we going
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to do? And that's so we landed it. But we've
had an amazing ride so far this year, and my
my wife was thinking like there's no way I can
do this, but she's done a fantastic job so far
and we couldn't be happier. So just to give you
the background or where we're at on this and to
(03:13):
see you talking about this, I feel like this is
something that I think I'm just really excited about more
and more people waking up to we're some of those people.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Yes, well, it's the freedom mindset, right. The schools teach slavery,
and they enslave you to them. And that's why parents
feel like, oh my gosh, I can't I don't know anything.
They've separated the family over generations, so the families now
people growing up were largely unparented. We are a largely
unparented society at this point. We've lost a tremendous generational knowledge.
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You know, Grandma's poultice for the grip or for you know,
the best recipe for turkey soup or whatever, is all
gone by the wayside. And I think I think that
that's sort of at our own peril. I think that's
a tremendous loss that we didn't really take into account
when we embraced the idea of institutionalizing our little bitty children.
(04:11):
I joked with you that your kids are four and two,
why are you schooling them already? But the fact is
that we have been made to feel beholden to the system,
and so if we don't do something along the lines
of the system, we feel like we are letting ourselves down,
or letting our children down, or whatever. I was there
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with you when I started homeschooling. I had a second grader,
well soon to be third grader, right, and a first
grader and then a toddler. And I started with school,
of course, because my second grader had already attended first
and second grade and they were abysmal failures. And so
I said to my husband, I think I could homeschool
(04:53):
the kids, and they I think I could fail at homeschooling,
but they'll still be better off as human beings. And
so what I try to do to empower parents is
have them relax about the academics, because because education really
is more about character and virtue and maybe a third
(05:17):
of its academics. But what happens is when you instill
the character and the virtue and the child, the child
still desires to learn. But when you focus on the academics,
the child stops desiring learning in large part. Now, it
depends on how you go about it also, right, And
(05:38):
so I didn't completely, you know, extinguish my children's love
of learning, luckily, but that's because we homeschooled, you know,
in the morning for a couple hours and then they
had the rest of the day to go explore. And
the exploration is it feeds the curiosity engine of the child.
And so, yeah, you can sit the child down for
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you know, half an hour an hour here and there
and get some of the schooling that you believe in.
Basically all believe in school because we were taught to
believe in school, and so you can sort of get
that schooling into the child. But education is not data entry,
and we really have to get away from that model
that somehow if you perform well on a test, you're smart,
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and if you don't perform well on a test, you're not.
And you know, we have examples of that throughout our
lives of very very highly skilled, intelligent people who never
went to college who are like super successful in business
and also very happy in their personal lives. And then
we have the flip side of people who went all
the way through got the multiple degrees, are tremendously unhappy
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and can't can't hold a.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Job or whatever.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Right, So it's not that the school paradigm is this
hugely successful paradigm that we all should emulate. I mean,
I can't even say that out loud properly.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
It's it's wild because because as you mentioned, I like
think of my experience as a kid in school and
certain points of it, I think I probably enjoyed more
than others. And it's all the things that my kids
get to do now that I probably would have loved,
you know, just the freedom of like you said, the
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exploring and everything else. I think there's so much that
instead of allowing, like the way the public schools work,
allowing that kid to develop into who he or she
was created to be, it really is more about sort
of hammering out all of that and putting them into molds.
(07:41):
At least that's the experience I sort of felt like
I had right.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
So Instalms, it says raise up a child in the
way he should Proverbs, raise up a child in the
way he should go, and in his old age you
will not depart from it. I think there's a little
bit of a mistranslation in there, because it's not raise
up a child in the way you think he should go.
Raise up a child to discover who he's meant to be,
and then he will not depart from it. And so
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the idea is, how do you help him discover who
he is meant to be, not by sending him into
an institution that tries to make him conform to their
way of thinking or doing. And the fact is your
children want to be you children want to be adults.
They think adults are the coolest things, especially their parents.
Their parents are the coolest, and so they want to
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be their parents. So what's the best way to facilitate that.
And by the way, they should want to be their parents, right, Like,
let's take this head on. They want to be you,
they should want to be you. You should encourage them
to be more like you, and in fact, that will
make you a better person. And so it's a beautiful
paradigm that we have completely disrupted with our schools and
(08:50):
at our own peril, and we are seeing the results
of that. We're seeing de estimated families, children who are
just lost, the predation and young children in our schools
and outside of our schools, the child trafficking that's going
on right now, and the tremendous surge in the predator
population as well, and all of this, you know, we
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can attribute at least to some degree to our schools.
So let's just abandon them, let's get rid of them,
and then let's talk about school choice.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Yeah yeah, Sam, So you wrote the book. Obviously, this
is I know it. Writing a book about anything is
got to be kind of a it's like a like
a journey emission, something you feel like you're called to do,
but this had to be so close to your heart.
Is like getting this into the hands of people so
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that they can understand it. I mean, one of the
biggest hurdles I just mentioned about my wife and her
thought was like, I don't know that I can do this,
but I know you have encouragement for that. Once you
take that first step, it's so you start to really
understand that it's completely diferent than you could have ever imagined.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Oh, I love that you say that, So I liken
it too. If you go see a silent film that's
black and white and grainy, that's the school and home
education is like Wizard of Oz or actually you know Avatar,
like it's three D, Dolby sound, you know, full color,
(10:23):
immersive like immersive. Actually is a really good way to
look at home education because one of the big discoveries
that I made when I first started, and I did
write a book called They're Your Kids, which documents, in
large part our journey as a family through home education,
the mistakes that we made and the triumphs that we had.
(10:44):
And so you know, when you look at it that way,
one of the big discoveries that I had was that
learning happens all the time. It's not sequestered in a classroom. Yes,
and you as a parent, yes, you're the teacher, but
ultimately the child is the teacher. The child is his
(11:05):
own teacher. And the reason I say that is because
we won't learn anything that we don't first purpose to
learn that, we don't first decide I want to learn that,
and then a teacher can help that. A teacher can
facilitate that, but so can a book, So can a
YouTube video, So can just going and watching somebody do
it for a while. There are plenty of different ways.
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So can a documentary. There are plenty of different ways
of learning information that is available to a young person
that doesn't necessarily require the teacher or the professor. And
so am we so absorbed this paradigm of the teacher
with the classroom. The teacher is the spigot of knowledge
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that we actually adopted the trust the expert attitude throughout
the nation now, so that we just live through a
whole season of trust. The how did that work out
for us?
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Right?
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Don't question the expert. If you're questioning the expert, you're
questioning science itself. Yeah, and how never mind that science
itself is the act of questioning.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Right, yes, Oh my gosh, So I pulling my hair
out during that time, the whole time of hearing this,
and I said the same thoughts. And you know, Fauci,
you know, just asked him, I am the science. You
know this guy, It's like you couldn't you couldn't ask
any questions. And to me, that was the most frustrating
(12:35):
because I'm a I'm just like a like, I'm a
genuinely curious individual. I love asking questions because I love learning.
I love learning about new things and why does this happen?
And when I was a kid, like, I know, I
must have driven my parents crazy with the why why?
Speaker 1 (12:50):
What?
Speaker 2 (12:51):
We haven't quite gotten to that stage yet in our house,
but I knew I must have driven my parents crazy
with that. I just wanted to understand things. Today was
the toughest, Sam, I gotta tell you. I can break
down like topics and conversations about politics and economics and
all the stuff we're dealing with right now. But this morning,
(13:12):
right before I left to come here, we have in
our front door there's a wreath and there are birds
in the last three years they've come and they just
put a nest there and they lay their eggs and yeah,
and and they're back again this year. And the kids
(13:33):
are so thrilled. They're excited. They're finally old enough to
really kind of understand it all. And there were first
there was one little blue kind of like Robin Robin
egg in there, and then there was two, and then
yesterday three And every day they will get up and
my oldest said, like the second now, I think there's
going to be another one in there tomorrow. And I thought, well,
that's interesting, and they're sure enough there was. It was
(13:55):
just a wild today. Uh there were there were three
yesterday today there were only two. And so this caused
this whole I mean, I just my heart was broken
for I'm trying to like, oh my goodness, how do
I explain this to the girls. And so I you know, why, daddy,
(14:16):
why is there only two there? Now? You know? And
there were three yesterday. My oldest very upset about it,
and I told her, Honey, I just I don't I
don't know. Maybe it fell out, maybe the mom took
it somewhere else. I don't know, Maybe there's another nest
I didn't know what to say, and and things like
that like that. I think, you know, and she's so
(14:39):
into like learning about butterflies and little you know, all
the stuff like that. But it's a challenge.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Okay, I accept that it's a challenge. Uh and yet
what a what an incredible opportunity. So uh, you know what, sweetie,
I don't know why the eggs not there, but we
have this thing called the Internet, and we can actually
type a question in and see what about why an
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egg might not be there? And you know what, why
don't we go to the library and take out a
couple of books about the life cycle of a bird
or you know, the dusting habits of the robin, or
just the birds of the you know, Pacific West or whatever. Right,
So these are all opportunities and it's important that children
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understand life is real, real things happen, and we don't
dumb down things for children. We soften them a little bit,
but we don't dumb it down. So we don't say, well,
the egg's just gone, sweetheart, and there's no way to
know the answer to that, like, you know what, because
we're because we're afraid to have that conversation. Whatever it
(15:55):
might be right. But if the conversation is, you know,
too mature for a child, right, then then you you
can certainly go on a search for answers and you
obviously look at you know, what's written before you read
it out loud, and you handle it that way. She's four,
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that will last less than ten minutes and she'll be
on to the next thing.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
But that's a perfect example. What you're saying is that
when your people you think about homeschooling and what that's
going to entail, but you're you're you're learning every minutive
of every day, and these kids there's always an opportunity, right,
and it's fun.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
And what happens is they revere you more. Your children
want to be you give them that opportunity, right. And
when you put the school between you and the child,
which is what you do when you drop the child
off at school, then the school becomes the authority, and
your authority in your own home is undermined, frankly, and
so instead of doing that, now you have opportunities that
(16:58):
you never thought you'd have. Some of them will be
fantastic and some of them are a little bit hard,
And yeah, it is hard, you know, She was so
expect expectant, but you know, maybe that egg was no good.
I mean, it's easy enough to tell the child, oh,
that that egg was no good, rather than to say, oh,
a marauding bird came and ate the egg.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Well, that that actually happened last year. She was too
young to remember, but we had a blue jay that
came in and.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
You know what, what a beautiful what a there's a
different opportunity, darling. You don't remember, but last year a
blue jay came and took one of the eggs and
it was very sad for the Robin family, but for
the blue jay. He he was so happy. He was
such a happy bird. Like so there are two sides, right.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
So it is because in that moment, like I'll just
tell you my wife's dad passed, their grand their grandpa
passed last last September. It was an easier conversation to
talk about that and to talk about how because they've
already learned, you know, about Jesus. And we said, well,
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he's going to heaven, you know, And that was there
was no residual, at least anything that we saw that
was stuck with him there. This one was like, oh gosh,
what do we say, I don't know what you know.
I don't know what happened. But these are great examples
of how everyday life can turn into learning experiences. And
you're already teaching, so why not dive in.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
That's I couldn't say it any better. You said it perfectly.
I did a movie called Let There Be Light that
I wrote, and it's it's about a woman. Well it's
about a family, but the mother has cancer and the
children ask her, you know, what's going to happen, and
(18:55):
she has to tell them that God's will is what's
going to happen. And there's a really poignant scene where
she tells her boys that dying is like I'm going
into another room, but I'll be watching you. That people
have found very effective. So you know, and and by
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the way, you can ask the other parents in your
co op, does anybody else come across this? What did
you tell your kids when something like this happened to you?
And that forms community and that's what we need. We
need more of that and less of the you know,
sort of offloading our parental responsibility into the school system
(19:36):
that won't take it anyway. The schools don't actually take responsibility.
They claim that they have the responsibility as a way
of infiltrating with a progressive agenda. But in every case
where the parents have sued the schools for failing to
teach their children to read, the judge has ruled it's
(19:56):
not the it's not the school's responsibility, it's the parents' responsibility.
And there's a young woman up in Hartford right now
who's suing Connecticut schools, the school board, and her local school,
I guess, for graduating her completely incapable of reading.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Wow. You know, I will tell you this. My dad
taught for forty years and one of the things that
I know he saw on what I saw during that
time is that the shifting, there was a shift between
parent involvement at school in those public schools, and then
there's just like that they stepped away and they completely abdicated,
(20:35):
and the minute that happened, everything fell apart. It's almost
like there's this mindset in society that I can just
outsource that whole part, you know, to somebody else can
handle it. But it doesn't work. I mean, you have
to be involved either way.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
I mean, I think we used to be much more
resilient as a culture and the schools certainly have softened
us in that sense that if the government's going to
take responsibility for this, then the government can take responsibility
for everything and uh and so that's and that's very
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dangerous because we've become much weaker. So I don't think school.
I think originally the one room school house where the
kids learned copywork, which was based on the Bible, which
was basically morality teaching, which was the essence of school.
Was Hey, we need to get morality into our citizenship
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so that they understand rule of law and do unto others.
I think that that was probably the best use of
our time. But then after that it was co opted.
You've got you know, JD. Rockefeller and all of that,
that whole movement to to co opt the schools and
turn them into transmission belts to create good slaves, obedient slaves,
(21:57):
conforming slaves. And they were very sucessful. And the interim
time it was the slow movement, right, And that's what
your dad was probably teaching in was you know, it
started out okay, kids were responsible, their parents were involved,
they wore suits and ties to class. They you know,
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they had self esteem, they had a virtue they respected honor.
All of these traditional values were in the schools, and
slowly they were just eroded and eroded and eroded. In
the nineteen sixties we got rid of the Bible. Then
we took prayer out of schools. So you're not beholden
to anybody but the government, right, and the government replaced God,
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and that's very dangerous. That is tyranny that devolves into
chaos and tyranny when you no longer have a population
that is self reliant but relies on the government, and
you no longer have a population that understands honor and
integrity and virtue, then all bets are off. And that's
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a little bit where we are now. So that even
our legislators are flying to foreign countries to try to repatriate.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Criminals unheard of, unheard of.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Those people should be deported themselves. I think that they
should revoke that the people, the legislators who are flying overseas,
their passports should be revoked when they are overseas and
they are no longer welcome in the country because they
are actively trying to import chaos into our nation, and
shame on them. And they can appeal it. Sure, go ahead,
(23:40):
appeal it. But but I think that their passports should
be revoked and they can they can stay as a
guest of the nation that they go to because they
are no longer American. I had an anti American. Sorry
I went off on a tangent there.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
I love it. I had a guy call in today
and ask, Hey, if this guy was successfully never was
going to be, but if he was successful at breaking
this guy back, could he be arrested and charged with
a smuggling terrorists back into the country. And I thought,
what a great question. And it's fantastic because that's that's
what we're watching, and it's it's it's it's night and
(24:16):
day common sense. Somehow, I don't know. I guess I
think more people get this than what's being portrayed in
the news. I think it's obvious, it's clear, yes, and
everybody else is sort of masquerading like like it.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
But have you noticed that the people who understand it
are not active? You know, I haven't heard somebody. It
just occurred to me, revoke his passport, just don't let
him back in the country. Like why hasn't that come
up in the news or in I don't know, And
it could be I'm not reading everything all the time.
(24:50):
So but I look at that and I go, he's
an elected official. Something really needs to be done. Because
here's the thing he's willing to get on a plane.
What are we willing to do? What is the side
of good and the side of justice willing to do?
And it doesn't seem like it's a lot?
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Yeah or enough. Well, one of the most radical things
you can do nowadays, like the meme says, is get married,
have kids, teach him about God and all. It's one
of the most radical things you could do nowadays is
the homeschool your kids. Bringing it back to the book, Hey,
well then what can what can people do? What are
they going to because this is kind of like, from
(25:34):
what I understand, soup the nuts you want to get in,
you want to figure out how to get started. This
is the way to do. A Parent's Guide to Homeschool.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Yeah, so just in a nutshell, the school has taught
you how to think about education and they are liars.
So this book will teach you better how you should
be thinking about the education of your children. And once
you can recalibrate through using this book, which is it's
in part a work book right. Once you recalibrate, you'll
(26:02):
be set free and then all bets are off, and
then you have all of the sort of the ability
at your fingertips to go about homeschooling the way that
you choose and the way that and you'll know how
to choose how to homeschool your kids. That's that's the goal.
That's what people are telling me they are here, they
(26:23):
are feeling after they read the book is a sense
of a sense of freedom, a sense of understanding of oh, shoot,
I never thought of school that way, and I'm not
going to do that with my kids. I'm going to
do this differently and set them free from that. And
the exciting thing is when you embark on this and
you and you give your children the freedom to teach themselves,
and you show them how to learn and how to
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teach themselves, they go farther than your wildest dreams.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
It really is incredible to imagine, you know, what your
kids can be, and how how we've done such a
I guess it's a horrific job of it, but beating
out of them, you know what it is that they were,
they were born with, when they were created to be.
I'm going to get to full disclosure. I haven't read
(27:16):
the book yet, but I'm getting it because I want
to read and learn more about what I need to
be doing, and it's if there's anything that I can
do to support this whole journey. But I know my
wife is going to love it too. We got folks
in the chat today too that are excited to hear
from you. In fact, Terry says, tell Sam, thank you
to her everything you're doing in the fight, and Kevin
(27:36):
as well. And I know you've raised did you did
you have three kids?
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Yeah? Twenty three, twenty one, and nineteen.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Now wow, So that's that's a fantastic testament. I saw
that what what Tucker wrote about your family, and I
will say this, it's very similar. I've noticed this with
President Trump's family too. You look at those kids and
you can tell the job that was done is really
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I mean, it's a testament to see what those kids
are like. You can see what the parents did. I mean,
it's incredible, but it's very true.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Yep, it's true. Your children are the arrows that you
shoot into the future.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Oh. I love that. Well, we're gonna leave it with that. Sam.
I love to talk to you again, thank you for
coming on, and thank you for all that you've done,
and we'll continue to do no doubt. The book again
is parents' guide to homeschool making education easy and fun.
We appreciate it taking the time I can.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
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Fantastic. Thanks again, God blessed. We appreciate you being here.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
God bless bye.
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We can stay in touch no matter what happens with
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(29:09):
And that's important. And no matter what happens, folks, my
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