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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Tack into the latest in tech and how it affects
you and your world. This is Tech Talk Tuesday on
Wood Radios, West Michigan.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Live from Affordable Lize store like this could drive and
stand down, and folks at Grant River Tech as well.
Our good friend Trent, can I be joining us today.
I hope you had a happy Thanksgiving, Trent.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Yeah, justin good morning. We had a great Thanksgiving. Hope
you did too.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Absolutely of great time just sitting around with the family.
And really, I think the biggest point is giving things
because oh yeah, so much to be thankful for. I
can tell you that much, and I know you know
the same. So we're working at a couple of big
stories today. There's a few things that are out there
that I wanted to make sure that we touched on AI.
(00:44):
We're gonna le our general AI talk a couple of
those out there. We'll see if we get to these.
Is chat GPT conscious godfather of AI predicts breakdown of society,
oh boy. And then the CEO of a company says
grief bots help people connect with loved ones who died.
Oh my. And one last AI Christian singer tops the charts,
(01:07):
stirs ethical debates. That's all fine and good, but I
want to start with a story that's a study. And
by the way, this has been something that you and
I have talked about for so long. I mean, this
goes back years and years and years. And as Dad,
I know that this is top of your mind too.
I've got a couple of little ones that I you know,
paying closer attention to this stuff, and I watch them
(01:28):
devices of any kind, screen time of any kind, very
careful with. But this study, again that says the obvious.
How about this, a smart form, the smartphone before age
twelve could carry health risk. According to the study, recharch
have found higher rates of depression, poor sleep, and obesity
(01:49):
among teens who had early access to a cell phone.
And it's such a sad situation, but it is very
serious news.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Justin this is no surprise to any parents who have
children who have any sort of devices. You know, It's
something that you can see play out as a parent
on a daily basis, on days where children have to
do more even legitimate things like homework on a computer.
It's brain drain, brain dead. We use all different words
to describe it, but it messes with their psyche justin.
(02:22):
I know that it's a tool, and I know that
they have to do homework, you know, that's one thing.
But when it gets to entertainment, that's when it crosses
a line. When it gets to just endless usage scrolling,
it just messes people up in so many ways that
we were not designed for. Justin in all of history,
we have not had this tool or vice, I guess
(02:43):
probably a better word to describe it. And it's messing
people up. And I'm glad these studies are coming out
because this we've known this forever, but very few companies
want to put this information out there because the big
tech world doesn't want less. They optimize, they pay for advertising,
they developed, they create content. They all want more and
(03:04):
more and more usage. So it's really the minority out
there of companies or studies or research that is putting
this information. Though it is very common sense and it
is bad. It's not drinking water just and it will
mess you up in a hurry.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Yeah, you know, as you kind of mentioned, this is
something that we've known. I mean, I think the thing
that gave it away from me, Tren was this comments
that Steve Jobs wouldn't let his kids have an iPad.
I mean to me, that told me everything I needed
to know. It's like the guy who created the things,
it's probably not good for kids to have this because
he knows how they created it. And what folks need
(03:40):
to understand is it's just as bad as giving your
kids a steady dye of candy. You wouldn't do that either. Well,
you're constantly with the device. Is giving them a steady
diet of it, really intraveniously right into their blood. There
of that candy, and it's dopamine, one after the other
after the other. They design these things, We work with
the people that design casinos, so they get them addicted
(04:02):
really quickly. Why because attention is the new currency now,
so you've got to be paying attention, you know, And
you feel this pool as an adult. It's hard sometimes
to put the thing down myself, but I got to
force myself to do it.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Justin They spend millions of dollars, billions of dollars trying
to figure out how to manipulate our brains, how to
reprogram us. That is the scary part that people need
to understand. It's not just some innocent game for a kid.
It's not just oh, I need to check the news.
I'm an adult. I need to know what's involved. It
is significantly deeper than that. And if you're not acutely
aware of the comments in the news, what news is
(04:39):
they're serving you? The timeline, the frequency. You know, you
can look at the new spacing and a feed. You
can read ten stories. You can look at the feed
and you can say, why did they serve me these
three stories? What are they trying to manipulate me over?
That's the part that we have to be aware of.
If we're not aware of it, we're just gonna get
sucked it right in like the rest of us.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
All right, not just just just stick on this, you know,
sort of bad is doom and gloom of the tech,
but the godfather of AI is predicting total breakdown of society.
Tech billionaires are really betting on AI replacing a lot
of workers. I want to piggyback that because that's that's
part of what we could see happen. And I think
(05:18):
it's a legitimate moment where people are looking at Okay, gosh,
what do you tell your kids to do? What field
do you tell your kids to go into? I want
to piggyback that with this interview from Mike Row which
I thought was really fascinating, and he talks about the
actual lack and by the way, Trent, you're still hiring right, absolutely,
(05:40):
justin we've got to have somebody real to do that job.
But there is a real life lack. There's a gap
between people the jobs that we have the people that
we need to do those jobs. Mike's been big on this.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
We got a skills gap. It's wide, it's big. We
got seven point two million men who are not participating
in the workforce, not looking for work. We got one
point seven trillion dollars in student loans on the books.
We've got seven point six million open positions that don't
require a four year degree, and yet we keep lending
money we don't have to kids who are never going
(06:15):
to be able to pay it back, to train them
for jobs that don't exist anymore. If we want to
close the skills gap, we got to make a more
persuasive case for millions of good jobs that nobody knows
about and nobody understands. These are six figure jobs or
opportunities that lead straight to a six figure career. They're everywhere,
(06:37):
and if we don't reinvigorate the trades. I'm afraid the
president's best efforts to bring manufacturing back to these shores
is going to run into a real roadblock. We need
an enthused workforce skilled for the jobs that are out there.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
The incentive to get out and actually get into it,
I think has got to be big. We've got to
make sure we educate people. But he's right, six figure jobs, welding,
you know, electrical, you know, plumbing, any number of those things.
Look the AI. The robots can't do that right now.
(07:13):
Who knows if they will at some point, but these
are things that we need now. And there's a lot
of folks in it, you know, the actual physical on
the ground, understanding the tech working and building the data
centers or maintaining for companies like what you do at
Grand River Tech people. Yeah, I know you're hiring there.
This is something we actually need people to be able
(07:35):
to do.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Justin It's a really interesting process here. You mentioned we're hiring.
I've gone over fifty resumes that we've gotten in in
the last couple of weeks here, and it is unreal
the amount of people that have college qualifications on paper,
but when you talk to them they don't actually have
real life skills of like physically installing a security camera
(07:58):
into a brick wall. You would think that an IT
job is some geek in an office or a cube farm. Sorry,
that's not the modern world of it. Yes, those jobs
do exist. Those jobs are also the first to get
phased out by software or AI or other things. There's
a large chunk of the real world jobs that these
(08:19):
describing about that are a multitude of different tasks together,
and people if they don't have that hands on approach. Yes,
they have to be a good person with computers and
technology and programming and software, but they have to be
able to I joke about it, put a rubber band
on an envelope, you know, like there has to be
some basic skills here that people have to have. And
(08:41):
if you have those skills, you don't have to have
the four year degree. You don't have to be a
genius in you know, cybersecurity or programming or whatever. You
have to be an honest individual that's hardworking and has
diverse skills, hands on work, ethic, and then you're going
to excel in life. That's really what people need in
today's modern world. You don't get that from scrolling, sitting
(09:02):
on social media, you know, being a gamer. You know
some people are obsessive with that. You don't get those
skills in those areas, Trent.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Can it be a fortal Lize store like Mishka Drive
and stand down Grand River Tech. By the way, they
are hiring a couple of those big stories that will
continue to fill you in on that one I think
needed the most. The most coverage today is to talk
about where we go from here, especially on the jobs front. Trent.
Always a pleasure. Appreciate you taking the time to be
here with us and shine some light on it. Those
(09:32):
other stories that we miss today. By the way, some
of these tech stories, I'll put them in the stack
today so you can check them out if you want
to go Justin Barklay dot com. Every time I talk
about something, we put it up in the stack so
you can go see it online and then maybe we'll
get to it next week. And if you've ever got
something you want us to cover, make sure you do that.
We'll make sure we get it on the air for you. Trent,
(09:53):
Thank you my friend.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Thanks Justin, have a great day you too.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
God bless
Tack into the latest in tech and how it affects
you and your world. This is Tech Talk Tuesday on
Wood Radios, West Michigan.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Live from Affordable Lize store like this could drive and
stand down, and folks at Grant River Tech as well.
Our good friend Trent, can I be joining us today.
I hope you had a happy Thanksgiving, Trent.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Yeah, justin good morning. We had a great Thanksgiving. Hope
you did too.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Absolutely of great time just sitting around with the family.
And really, I think the biggest point is giving things
because oh yeah, so much to be thankful for. I
can tell you that much, and I know you know
the same. So we're working at a couple of big
stories today. There's a few things that are out there
that I wanted to make sure that we touched on AI.
(00:44):
We're gonna le our general AI talk a couple of
those out there. We'll see if we get to these.
Is chat GPT conscious godfather of AI predicts breakdown of society,
oh boy. And then the CEO of a company says
grief bots help people connect with loved ones who died.
Oh my. And one last AI Christian singer tops the charts,
(01:07):
stirs ethical debates. That's all fine and good, but I
want to start with a story that's a study. And
by the way, this has been something that you and
I have talked about for so long. I mean, this
goes back years and years and years. And as Dad,
I know that this is top of your mind too.
I've got a couple of little ones that I you know,
paying closer attention to this stuff, and I watch them
(01:28):
devices of any kind, screen time of any kind, very
careful with. But this study, again that says the obvious.
How about this, a smart form, the smartphone before age
twelve could carry health risk. According to the study, recharch
have found higher rates of depression, poor sleep, and obesity
(01:49):
among teens who had early access to a cell phone.
And it's such a sad situation, but it is very
serious news.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Justin this is no surprise to any parents who have
children who have any sort of devices. You know, It's
something that you can see play out as a parent
on a daily basis, on days where children have to
do more even legitimate things like homework on a computer.
It's brain drain, brain dead. We use all different words
to describe it, but it messes with their psyche justin.
(02:22):
I know that it's a tool, and I know that
they have to do homework, you know, that's one thing.
But when it gets to entertainment, that's when it crosses
a line. When it gets to just endless usage scrolling,
it just messes people up in so many ways that
we were not designed for. Justin in all of history,
we have not had this tool or vice, I guess
(02:43):
probably a better word to describe it. And it's messing
people up. And I'm glad these studies are coming out
because this we've known this forever, but very few companies
want to put this information out there because the big
tech world doesn't want less. They optimize, they pay for advertising,
they developed, they create content. They all want more and
(03:04):
more and more usage. So it's really the minority out
there of companies or studies or research that is putting
this information. Though it is very common sense and it
is bad. It's not drinking water just and it will
mess you up in a hurry.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Yeah, you know, as you kind of mentioned, this is
something that we've known. I mean, I think the thing
that gave it away from me, Tren was this comments
that Steve Jobs wouldn't let his kids have an iPad.
I mean to me, that told me everything I needed
to know. It's like the guy who created the things,
it's probably not good for kids to have this because
he knows how they created it. And what folks need
(03:40):
to understand is it's just as bad as giving your
kids a steady dye of candy. You wouldn't do that either. Well,
you're constantly with the device. Is giving them a steady
diet of it, really intraveniously right into their blood. There
of that candy, and it's dopamine, one after the other
after the other. They design these things, We work with
the people that design casinos, so they get them addicted
(04:02):
really quickly. Why because attention is the new currency now,
so you've got to be paying attention, you know, And
you feel this pool as an adult. It's hard sometimes
to put the thing down myself, but I got to
force myself to do it.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Justin They spend millions of dollars, billions of dollars trying
to figure out how to manipulate our brains, how to
reprogram us. That is the scary part that people need
to understand. It's not just some innocent game for a kid.
It's not just oh, I need to check the news.
I'm an adult. I need to know what's involved. It
is significantly deeper than that. And if you're not acutely
aware of the comments in the news, what news is
(04:39):
they're serving you? The timeline, the frequency. You know, you
can look at the new spacing and a feed. You
can read ten stories. You can look at the feed
and you can say, why did they serve me these
three stories? What are they trying to manipulate me over?
That's the part that we have to be aware of.
If we're not aware of it, we're just gonna get
sucked it right in like the rest of us.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
All right, not just just just stick on this, you know,
sort of bad is doom and gloom of the tech,
but the godfather of AI is predicting total breakdown of society.
Tech billionaires are really betting on AI replacing a lot
of workers. I want to piggyback that because that's that's
part of what we could see happen. And I think
(05:18):
it's a legitimate moment where people are looking at Okay, gosh,
what do you tell your kids to do? What field
do you tell your kids to go into? I want
to piggyback that with this interview from Mike Row which
I thought was really fascinating, and he talks about the
actual lack and by the way, Trent, you're still hiring right, absolutely,
(05:40):
justin we've got to have somebody real to do that job.
But there is a real life lack. There's a gap
between people the jobs that we have the people that
we need to do those jobs. Mike's been big on this.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
We got a skills gap. It's wide, it's big. We
got seven point two million men who are not participating
in the workforce, not looking for work. We got one
point seven trillion dollars in student loans on the books.
We've got seven point six million open positions that don't
require a four year degree, and yet we keep lending
money we don't have to kids who are never going
(06:15):
to be able to pay it back, to train them
for jobs that don't exist anymore. If we want to
close the skills gap, we got to make a more
persuasive case for millions of good jobs that nobody knows
about and nobody understands. These are six figure jobs or
opportunities that lead straight to a six figure career. They're everywhere,
(06:37):
and if we don't reinvigorate the trades. I'm afraid the
president's best efforts to bring manufacturing back to these shores
is going to run into a real roadblock. We need
an enthused workforce skilled for the jobs that are out there.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
The incentive to get out and actually get into it,
I think has got to be big. We've got to
make sure we educate people. But he's right, six figure jobs, welding,
you know, electrical, you know, plumbing, any number of those things.
Look the AI. The robots can't do that right now.
(07:13):
Who knows if they will at some point, but these
are things that we need now. And there's a lot
of folks in it, you know, the actual physical on
the ground, understanding the tech working and building the data
centers or maintaining for companies like what you do at
Grand River Tech people. Yeah, I know you're hiring there.
This is something we actually need people to be able
(07:35):
to do.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Justin It's a really interesting process here. You mentioned we're hiring.
I've gone over fifty resumes that we've gotten in in
the last couple of weeks here, and it is unreal
the amount of people that have college qualifications on paper,
but when you talk to them they don't actually have
real life skills of like physically installing a security camera
(07:58):
into a brick wall. You would think that an IT
job is some geek in an office or a cube farm. Sorry,
that's not the modern world of it. Yes, those jobs
do exist. Those jobs are also the first to get
phased out by software or AI or other things. There's
a large chunk of the real world jobs that these
(08:19):
describing about that are a multitude of different tasks together,
and people if they don't have that hands on approach. Yes,
they have to be a good person with computers and
technology and programming and software, but they have to be
able to I joke about it, put a rubber band
on an envelope, you know, like there has to be
some basic skills here that people have to have. And
(08:41):
if you have those skills, you don't have to have
the four year degree. You don't have to be a
genius in you know, cybersecurity or programming or whatever. You
have to be an honest individual that's hardworking and has
diverse skills, hands on work, ethic, and then you're going
to excel in life. That's really what people need in
today's modern world. You don't get that from scrolling, sitting
(09:02):
on social media, you know, being a gamer. You know
some people are obsessive with that. You don't get those
skills in those areas, Trent.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Can it be a fortal Lize store like Mishka Drive
and stand down Grand River Tech. By the way, they
are hiring a couple of those big stories that will
continue to fill you in on that one I think
needed the most. The most coverage today is to talk
about where we go from here, especially on the jobs front. Trent.
Always a pleasure. Appreciate you taking the time to be
here with us and shine some light on it. Those
(09:32):
other stories that we miss today. By the way, some
of these tech stories, I'll put them in the stack
today so you can check them out if you want
to go Justin Barklay dot com. Every time I talk
about something, we put it up in the stack so
you can go see it online and then maybe we'll
get to it next week. And if you've ever got
something you want us to cover, make sure you do that.
We'll make sure we get it on the air for you. Trent,
(09:53):
Thank you my friend.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Thanks Justin, have a great day you too.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
God bless
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