Get the stories from today's show in THE STACK: https://justinbarclay.com
Kirk Elliott PHD - FREE consultation on wealth conservation - http://GoldWithJustin.com
Join Justin in the MAHA revolution - http://HealthWithJustin.com
Try Cue Streaming for just $2 / day and help support the good guys https://justinbarclay.com/cue
Up to 80% OFF! Use promo code JUSTIN http://MyPillow.com/Justin
Patriots are making the Switch! What if we could start voting with our dollars too? http://SwitchWithJustin.com
Kirk Elliott PHD - FREE consultation on wealth conservation - http://GoldWithJustin.com
Join Justin in the MAHA revolution - http://HealthWithJustin.com
Try Cue Streaming for just $2 / day and help support the good guys https://justinbarclay.com/cue
Up to 80% OFF! Use promo code JUSTIN http://MyPillow.com/Justin
Patriots are making the Switch! What if we could start voting with our dollars too? http://SwitchWithJustin.com
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
Buy from hyatop Monroe Center in downtown Grand Rapids. We're
talking about what matters most to you when West Michigan.
Joining a conversation now at six one six seven seven four,
twenty four twenty four.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
At six one, six seven seven.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Four twenty four twenty four, it's West Michigan Live with
Justin Barklay on Wood Radio.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
And welcome at wild Boy. The news never stops. We
got a big week ahead. We still got the pope
they gotta pick. I know, and I've seen some of
these memes going around online and it's getting down to
the wire on this and we'll know if orange smoke
starts coming out on that chimney then things little side, Well,
(00:41):
we're gonna talk about that today. By the way, uh,
if we get some time, we got a tech Tuesday.
We gotta get into all the conversations surrounding a either's
humanoid road bites attacking people. Right now, we'll get into
all of it. And that big outage situation problem looks
like it's tech oriented out in New.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Orkan news weather and traffic. I'm his stories of the day.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
We're talking about what matters most in West Michigan and
beyond this is the Big Three now see speak three.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
We also have day number two of jury deliberations underway
right now, the trial of officer former GRPD officer Christopher Sure.
We'll get into that and what you may expect to
hear and see In fact, as early as maybe even
just moments from now today, a verdict comeing in and
(01:38):
there's a lot of people talking about also what does
that mean. I don't know if it's gonna be easy
to tell based on everything I've seen in this trial.
We'll get into that. Hang on number one. Thanks for
our good friends at Heartland Home Mortgage. Today we're firing
up the Big three. Whether you need to buy refly
home equity line of credit, Dave Galilee and the team
at Hartland Home Mortgage ready to help you the faster, quicker,
(02:00):
better than the big banks. And they've helped us save
thousands each and every time we've done it. Bought a
home refinanced home equity line of credit fantastic. They're willing
to pay. Trump says they'll give them one thousand dollars
to leave that and free flights. That's part of the initiative.
Department of Homeland Secretary Christy no, it's headed to the
(02:24):
Capitol today to talk about this new plan that will
get immigrants out or here illegally, those aliens. In fact,
they say this because you know you're always what okay,
what the Democrats can say, Well, it's too much money,
that it cost too much. Why are we spending all
this money doing all this Well, turns out the average
cost of Deportenka's forty five hundred dollars. This will be
(02:46):
even less. Keep an eye on that. More than one
hundred flights delayed at Newark Airport. It's not safe, they're
saying in New Jersey Secretary of Transportation Sean Duffy talking
about this. They've had a number of tech issues. Has
the thing been hacked? Is it just because it's faulty
(03:07):
and old, or is there something else happening behind the scenes.
We talk about that with our good friend Trent. Can
it be? And I think over one hundred flights already
delayed and canceled as of this morning. Again, those issues
continue this week. Well, the jury is out daty two
of deliberations continuing. Yesterday we got the closing arguments, we
(03:29):
got a couple of quick witnesses and then they moved
to deliberate. The jury has it. They're out. They packed
things up, went home after like four hours of deliberations
yesterday in the trial of former GRPD officer Christopher Cher.
(03:50):
Lots of folks praying about this, and of course, the minute,
the minute we get any indication of any verdict being reached,
et cetera, will break in immediately, if not sooner, and
keep you abreast of all of that information and more.
By the way, I want to play for you some
of the closing arguments yesterday so you can get a
bit of a taste of what actually took place. We'll
(04:13):
get into that coming up in just moments. First, your
chance to join a conversation at any time the iHeartRadio app.
Just click that button that little microphone next to a
play button and sound off. Let it rip or knew
(04:34):
it the old fashioned way.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Call Justin now at six one, six seven seven, twenty
four twenty four at six one, six seven seven twenty
four to twenty four West Michigan Live with Justin Barclay
on News Radio Wood thirteen hundred and one OHO six
nine a f M.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
All right, stand by, folks, as we gear up for
another big one. I should probably mention Canada's Mark Carney
come into the White else today. So we've got that
on tap as well a couple other big things, a
story and a Rona report that I just barely barely
had a chance to spend any time with. But it's
true yesterday Trump kept his promises, signing an EO. Fauci
(05:14):
isn't happy about this, and we'll talk about that coming
up in moments as well. Some of the closing arguments
from yesterday prosecution of the defense. Here's Chris Becker, the prosecutor.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
That's what this case is about.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
This is a real man, human being.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
I shot the back of head back in April twenty twenty.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Two because Patrick is no sae. I'm not gonna sit
here and argue Patrick was a saint.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
He was drunk driving, he was resisting, he was driving
about a driver's license.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
None of those are executes. I think it's really tough
to you know, finally, when the when they confront reality
like this, I think it's really tough to say the
guy was drunk driving. Well, in fact, I just saw
came up in my history my memories from Facebook three
years ago today that police report came out from the
(06:04):
Michigan State Police. They found a toxicology apparently, if I
remember correctly, I'm trying to remember the number, but I
think it was zero point two nine blood alcohol level.
Now that's super drunk. That's crazy. So I don't know
if that's an accurate dumb I just tell you, I'm
trying to remember it. We'll fact check it, Adam, can
you check that number real quick? But either way, this
(06:26):
was a rumor that I had heard. In fact, it
was being reported in circles that he was super drunk. Now,
sure said on the stand he didn't smell alcohol in
his breath. But Prosecutor Becker, he was just kind of
glossing over this. The guy, Yeah, he was driving drunk,
but it neerve to die for that. It wasn't just
driving drunk. He was resisting drunk. He was wrestling with
(06:48):
the officer on the ground drunk. He was grabbing his
weapon drunk. There was no reason, there was no reasoning
with the individual. Point two nine. That was right, Okay, fantastic.
I know I saw the number. I thought that was it.
So point two nine, folks, Why doesn't the defense make
(07:11):
a bigger deal of this? I don't know, maybe they
did at some point, but I don't know that I
saw that. Point twenty nine, the guy is three sheets
to the wind. The guy is hammered, he's he's he's complete.
Now does that mean that he deserved to die? I'm
not saying that. But what I am saying is that
the officer felt like his life was in danger. He
(07:35):
was threatened the minute that that man three times the
legal limit drunk grabs his dangerous weapon. Now that is
the wording of the of the prosecution's own witness, the
man that works for the Taser company. It is a
dangerous weapon. I don't care what people tell you about
the prongs being in and out, whatever the other thing
(07:57):
might be, or the cartridges. It is still a danger
dangerous and usable weapon. That is from the man at
the Taser company. It is considered a dangerous weapon. It
could have been used on You said, we could have
killed him, Well, it doesn't matter. Doesn't matter whether it
(08:18):
could or couldn't have. He felt like his life was
in danger. If he could have been incapacitated at any
moment because of the use of that dangerous weapon on officer, sure,
then he had I believe all the authority and all
the right to defend himself from death or great bodily
(08:40):
harm in that moment, because if he's incapacitated, then what
else does he have on him. He's got another fire
He's got a firearm that could have been used against him.
It doesn't matter whether it's a firearm or rock. Could
have been used against him. You know, Leoya could have
bludgeoned him to death. He could have beat him to
death with his own hands if he was incapacitated. Do
(09:01):
you understand what I'm saying at this point? It is very,
very dangerous for that officer. To me, this is open
and shutcase. But that's These are the things that I
believe weren't said enough. And these are the things. You
can criticize the defense. You could talk about what should
or shouldn't have happened. There were problems, there were issues,
there were holes in both the defense and the prosecution
(09:22):
and their cases. But these all of these things that
I'm saying to you undeniable. I mean, you can argue
with my opinion on things, but you cannot deny that
he was zero point two nine blood alcohol. You cannot
deny that he had his hand on what the Again,
this is evidence. This is what demand from the Taser
company said was a dangerous weapon. And you cannot deny
(09:45):
that Sure said he was in fear for his life.
These are the facts the jury must acquit now, whether
they will or won't. There's questions right now about this
whole thing. How much time they're to Usually they come
back quick. It means that there's a guilty product. Now
if they take a little bit more time, they say,
maybe it might be acquittal or it could be a
(10:08):
hung jury. They can't come I think, honestly, I think
that's probably what you're gonna get. You're probably gonna get,
just knowing today's day and age, you're probably gonna get
that this judge who has not been very I don't know,
affaires the word you want to use. By the way,
defense filed some motion to say she was biased because
(10:29):
of faces she was making and expressions during the self
defense portions of testimony. She of course denied that. So
all of this to say, and to tell you, I
hate it, and I hate that it ever happened. My
heart goes out not only to Officer Sure's family, all
the police officers, folks putting themselves in a lot of
(10:51):
duty every day. But it also goes out to Patrick
Leoya's family as well. I can't imagine the position they're in,
so I pray for all of them, and I pray
for this area going through but also Kent County. It's
not just Grand Rampids. We're in a very sticky predicament
right now. And there's more about this, and I'll talk
about it another day or behind the scenes somewhere, but
(11:14):
just just just not right now. Yeah, the judge rolled
her eyes here, and that's right. That's that's that's what
she's accused of doing. And I didn't see that on camera,
but that's that's the word. So this is part of
what you're hearing. What we've been listening to is part
of the closing statements yesterday off of the officer Christopher
(11:37):
sure trial. Here is Chris Becker more from the prosecuting attorney.
Speaker 5 (11:43):
Just because he committed the phony, he could havemit twenty felonies,
he could have had other colonies.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
He doesn't mean he deserved to die or he has
his eye.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
That's for juries, that's.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
For other things down the road.
Speaker 6 (11:53):
There's intent to hunt and the intent to.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Kill, you know, the juries or other things down the road. Chris,
that's it. That's assuming that sure makes it home. And
and mister prosecutor, let me just say this, this is
the worst timing for this trial to take place, or
maybe the best. If you think about an officer was
shot in Miskegan, I think two or three this week shot.
(12:16):
I think an underscore is the danger of the job
that these folks are facing.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
He wrapped up.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Nobody's saying that when we left that morning, then he
intended to kill somebody when he fired the shot.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
He intended to kill.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
That is fear when you put a bolt. And some
of as the facusis happened, was the killing justified or
excused or reduced to a loss of crime?
Speaker 2 (12:35):
That it's not.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
I got to pause this and we'll have more of
it coming up. And just thinking. But when he says
reduced to a lesser crime, something interesting happened yesterday the prosecution.
At the last moment, the prosecution throws in, well, we
could do this manslaughter charge. I don't know about you,
but if I'm sitting on the jury, I'm wondering why
(12:58):
we're here talking murder this full time, and all of
a sudden you're talking manslaughter now this is not I
don't think it's fair, but it does happen. I don't
think it's fair because you've asked a jury the entire
time to consider murder, and now you're saying that you
should have been looking and listening and for all of
these things for manslaughter during this entire trial. I don't
think that's necessarily fair, but it is. It is legitimate.
(13:20):
They are able to do that. However, to me, it
just shows me that they've got no case and they
know it. In fact, they are probably pretty concerned with
what the outcome of this trial is going to be.
If it's a hung jury, they got to come back
and do it all over again. That's if Prosecutor Becker,
who's put it all on the line for this and
(13:41):
I think risked greatly his reputation, his career. You might
say that's honorable. I think that might even be dangerous itself.
But I just would tell you that he's gonna have
to have a tough decision to make again, and if
he doesn't with Dan and Nessel, I don't know, I mean,
I don't even even know if it's that's possible, but
(14:03):
I will tell you there's a lot at steak here,
and we're just moments away, folks from having some answers.
As soon as we get them, we'll let you know
Day two of deliberations in that trial. Take Tuesday on
the way our.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Good friend track.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Can I be joining us the footable I Store, Lake
Michigan Drive in Standwe we'll get to the latest coming
up in just moments. Thank you for being here with us.
You want to weigh in, you can at any time
Justin Barclay dot com, the iHeartRadio app, click that button
and sound off or on the phones at six one,
(14:39):
six seven, seven four twenty four.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Breaking down the story.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
It's West Michigan Live with Justin Barklay on News Radio
Wood thirteen hundred and one oh six nine a f M.
Speaker 7 (14:50):
Here are your headlines from the Midwesterner this Tuesday, May
sixth I'm Robin Poffman. It's a Midwesterner dot news original
story talk about playing games. Michigan Secretary of State Democrat
Jocelyn Benson sends thousands of election documents over to the
House Oversight Committee, but not the one subpoened her office,
stumping close to two thousand pages of the wrong stuff.
(15:12):
Benson reportedly knows exactly what the House Oversight Committee is
asking for, but is refusing to send over the election
related material. In other news, the Trump administration suing Michigan
Attorney General Dana Nessel and Governor Whitmer over lawfare targeting
the fossil fuel industry, and President Trump scheduled to head
to the Middle East as he looks to end the
(15:33):
war between Israel and Hamas. Israel calling up ten thousand
reserve officers as it looks to go into Gaza and
eradicate the terrorist organization. The fate of the remaining hostages
snatched by Hamas back on October seventh. Unclear. For these
stories and more, visit the Midwesterner at the Midwesterner dot.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
New bnck on the lines and I got more closing
arguments I want to play through coming up in just
a little bit. We are expecting and could get it
any moment now as well. On day two jury deliberations
Here in the trial here officer sure former GRPD police
officer just blocks away from where I'm sitting right now.
(16:12):
We could get a verdict at any moment when that
does happen, or we hear that the jurorse have reached
a verdict. We're gonna we'll break in and let you
know immediately ifd out. Sooner ads on the line. Good
morning again, justin thank you for joining you. Yeah, you too.
Speaker 8 (16:28):
So I'm a I'm a defense attorney. I just do
drunk driving cases.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
I'm also a police officer. So to answer your question
on the super drunk in Michigan, point one seven or
higher is considered super drunk.
Speaker 8 (16:42):
Wow, So he definitely would fit that category.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
What is point two nine? Is that super duper drunk?
What are we talking there?
Speaker 4 (16:52):
Well, yes, it would have to be.
Speaker 8 (16:55):
The other thing is I've had to fight with drunks
trying to arrest them, and you know, it's tough because
you know they don't necessarily feel, you know, the thing
that you're yeah, and you're trying to restrain.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Hey, can you ed? Can young? Can you hang for
a minute. I gotta take a break for some news.
But I have questions for you, and I think the
audience would like to hear from you.
Speaker 9 (17:15):
I will, I will do my bat.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
They got a meeting, they.
Speaker 9 (17:17):
Might call me in, but I will.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
All right, hang on the phone line. I'm gonna get
We're gonna get your number. If we need to. Maybe
even if we don't talk to you right now, maybe
we can have you back stand by ad police officer, attorney.
I got questions I don't know about you. We'll get
into all of that coming up after this. It's West
Michigan Live News is next Tech Talk segment coming up
(17:44):
in just moments. First, the defense closing statements yesterday from
Matthew Morgula.
Speaker 5 (17:49):
I'm here to judge the g RPD policy. You are
not here to judge whether it was reasonable for him
to chase Patrick Leone. And you must look at it
as at the moment of the threat, when Patrick Leoya
had the taser in his right hand, whether or not
Christopher Sure was reasonably in fear, and the prosecutor has
(18:13):
failed miserably fires a taser, as everybody agrees, mister Ley
grabs it and moves it to the side. That was
mister Leoia's decision. He grabbed it and he never let go.
The taser is now in his right hand. Officer as
Sure as trying to get the taser back still and
he can't. This is the decision. You have to judge
(18:36):
whether in the moment of the threat he was afraid
of that taser facitation or great bodily hunt. Whether it
was reasonable for him to make the decision he never
wanted to make that morning. That's what you're judging. What
it was reasonable, and that split second for him to
think that an officer could be in fear of the taser,
not whether if what did Patrick Glawd intend to do
(18:59):
with it. He's got holding him like a gun and
he's getting up.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
It is uh that that again makes you go, wait
a minute. That was his defense, and I don't think
they showed you the best of the best parts. They
showed you lots of the prosecution, Thank you would TV.
This is the same TV station, by the way, that
ran a story last week that said it was an
all white jury selected and then we get the jury
makeup and it's you know, hispanic, h some black or
(19:27):
mixed race, and lots of women on the jury. I
think one or two men. I'm not exactly sure of
the full makeup, and I couldn't tell you. I'm no
expert there, but it doesn't necessarily give me everything that
I've I've watched. I'm not exactly thrilled about possible outcome
of all of this. I just again join me in
(19:49):
praying for this this area of the folks who are
involved in this is obviously, Uh, this is not going
to be This is not going be fun. Okay, So
did we lose that by the way, Okay, so he
had to bail, he had a meeting. Edit, but we
got his number. We're gonna try and see if we can, uh,
we could get him back and get him back on
(20:12):
the line. Here, let me just run through a couple
of quick phone calls. Maybe we'll get at tomorrow. We'll see,
we'll see whether we can get him today or tomorrow.
We'll find out a couple of folks that are waiting,
and then we're going to get into tech talk with
their good friend Trent. Hey, Mike, you're on first I
think are you in Portland? Yes, thank you, my friend appreciate.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
It listening to this case.
Speaker 8 (20:32):
And if he was that drunk, how could you to
kill what if he kill somebody driver his car?
Speaker 10 (20:39):
I mean he had to be that drunk.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Nope, most people even drive a car at point's.
Speaker 10 (20:45):
Incentive for a police officer to pull anybody over.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Well that this is a great point because at point
two nine, the prosecutor in this case was essentially saying
that one of the things that he ought to done here,
this officer. Sure, as we await day two a jury deliberation,
we have way to verdict. Could happen at any moment,
But one of the things he thought should happen here
was that he should a church. You should have let
(21:08):
him go. Well, what if he gets back in the
car and kill somebody, particularly a kid?
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Absolutely, this is this is nothing we can all do
twenty twenty, you know all we actually should have done.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
What the centive is there for a police officer?
Speaker 3 (21:21):
I mean, could be not What incentive is there for
now for anyone to go into two policing? That's a
whole other question. Mike, I appreciate it. We got a
phone full of mics apparently got Mike and Wyoming up next. Mike,
how are you welcome in West Michigan life?
Speaker 10 (21:34):
Hi, Jason, I'll compliment what a gentleman for Portland was
talking about.
Speaker 9 (21:39):
You wonder why no one wants to be a cop.
Speaker 10 (21:41):
He did exactly what he was trained to. This guy
being drunk got nothing to do with the should.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
Do of this. It's just the way it is.
Speaker 10 (21:48):
If his life is threatened, he is trained to stop
the threat. And it's sad, and the are said, but
cops get killed every day justin it's like, oh yeah,
well we three or four got killed today. It's no
none of this should even be happening.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Three shot here in Michigan, just in the last few days.
When I'm Mischigan. Yet I think it was Was it yesterday?
Speaker 4 (22:07):
I think, yeah, I know.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
It really is. It's horrific when you think of it. Mike,
thank you for the call. But that's a great point.
And the mic from Portland brought this up just a
moment ago. But how drunk he was He get back
in the car, he drives, he hurts or kills someone.
And on top of it, it was like eight o'clock
in the morning. I mean he got buses, school buses,
kids running around in neighborhoods. I can't imagine that a
(22:31):
prosecutor tries to make the case, well, this guy was
no boy scout. Guess who was officer? Sure, everything about
him in his background, which the judge and the prosecution
wouldn't allow into the trial. Everything about him in at
his background, the fact that he was a missionary and
he had gone to God. A matter of fact, he had.
It's such a hart to serve over there in these
(22:52):
people because they tried to make it all about race,
by the way, they've tried to pull that car, but
this guy was a missionary. It's served over. They had
gotten married, he and his wife had gotten married. Over
That sounds like a real racist to me. But none
of this was allowed in the conversation, which is just absolutely.
You have to wonder whether or not this guy got
(23:12):
a fair trial. It's a fair question. And after everything
I've seen, I'm not excited about it. Mike and Grandville. Third, Mike,
we got, like I said, phone full of mice. Inent Mike,
Good morning, you're on West Michigan Life.
Speaker 11 (23:25):
Hey, justin how you doing. Hey. Chris Becker should be
ashamed of himself. He has no backbone. After Chief Larsen
took a knee with everybody on the protest downtown and
then they turned around and burned the city, and then
this happened, he was afraid when Ben Crump, the racist
got involved, and he was afraid the same thing was
(23:47):
going to happen, so he took a stand on one side.
Christopher sure did nothing wrong. We need to pray for
him and his family. And the Michigan State Police officer
at the burger came in Kentwood.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
He the same thing.
Speaker 11 (24:02):
Yeah, this is just unreal. And hey, I appreciate your
show and pray for you and the family every day.
Keep up the good work.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Thank you, brother, I appreciate that. All right, last club
that we're going to get into tech and a hold
some of the other folks that are on the line.
If you're waiting, we'll try and squeeze in at the
end of the show. But I wanted to get into
Mark from Rockford, thirty four year police veteran, and you
say the defense missed some key points. Welcome in, Mark, appreciate.
Speaker 6 (24:28):
Well, thank you.
Speaker 11 (24:29):
Hey.
Speaker 6 (24:29):
I when I was first watching, I saw the Wade
butler I believe testify and he said watching that fight
initially and his daughter wrestles. Actually he said, somebody's going
to die out of this.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
That's right.
Speaker 6 (24:43):
I think that needed to be emphasized completely. And the
other thing when they were talking to Captain mccersey, he said,
I wouldn't let my daughter play with his taser first
of all, because it's a felony. Well it's a four
year felony. But the prosecution would like you to believe
that Captain mccersey came there to commit a fifteen year
(25:04):
perjury felony, and that they all lied about their training,
and they all showed up and you can't believe what
they say, and they lied to cover them up.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
So here's three.
Speaker 6 (25:14):
Grand Rapids commanders looking for retirement that want to risk
their future in fifteen years in prison because they're lying
about the training, they're lying about their opinion, and it
just I think you needed to make a big deal
out of that.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
I agree. I think there were some there were a
lot of points at the defense messed and unfortunately this right,
this is, this is We'll see how this goes. I
don't see how any one reasonable sitting on that jury
could convict him. Now, they threw in the manslaughter just
to I think, because they knew they didn't have a
case right. But they should have never brought that. They
(25:52):
should have never brought this case in the first place.
If they knew it, they knew the changed.
Speaker 6 (25:57):
It doesn't even match up. It's not a heat of
pay and crime. He can do it by accident. He
took that shot like police officers are trained to take
a contact shot and years ago, we begin practicing what
we call body armor drills because criminals were buying body armor.
Two shots of the chest, one of the head, and
then if there's a hostage target, they usually show you
(26:18):
just a little piece of the head and you got
to make that shot and you can't hit the hostage.
So he didn't shirk when it came to pointing it
towards his head and firing the weapon, because that's the
way he's been trained. If it's a taser, you are
trained to WHOA. I don't want to get it over
the heart. I don't want to hit it in the
sensitive area. I don't want to do it around the
(26:39):
face of the head. But with a handgun, no, if
you're going to use deadly force, you shoot it to
where you have the main target, including the head. If
you need a central nervous system hit in order to
stop the thread immediately. Because handguns are very poor performers,
we don't send our military people into terrorist bunkers with
their handgun. They carry a rifle totally different way. And
(27:01):
that's my point.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
I thank you for today, Mark, I appreciate you. Thank
you for your courage and and uh service. I appreciate Uh,
I appreciate you calling in and weighing in. Let me
let me tell you folks, Uh, I planned I do
it a little bit more. We were going to do
tech talk here, but Ed is back on the phone,
so let me take a break. I'm gonna come back. Ed,
who's an attorney, and the police officers well had some
(27:22):
thoughts on this trial as well. I want to take
a quick break. I'll be back. We'll try and squeeze
tech talk in. But Trent is Uh, We're really be
flexible today, Trent. So if there's if we have to
work around it, we will. First let me tell you
about the folks at Talent Wealth. Look, you need to
protect yourself. Self defense and also financial defense is one
(27:45):
thing that folks need to be looking at on a
daily basis. How do you protect your wealth? This is
an incredible time. We've seen the markets go up and down.
The roller coaster ride that we've been on recently is
making It's enough to make anyone get a little sick,
right sick to your stomach. Well, you had to don't
have to be, especially if you're working with the folks
at Talentwealth. Mike Lester and the team are there to
(28:06):
protect you, not just guard your nest Egg like their
website and radio show Guarding your nest Egg dot Com,
but help you thrive, not just survive in some of
these challenging times. They take a holistic approach to all
of this investment strategy. They want to make sure that
you are protected no matter what happens. Work with a
(28:26):
team that truly cares about your financial will being. Reach
out to Mike and the team today at six one
six sixty six one one thousand. That's six one six
sixty six one one thousand, or online at Guarding your
nest egg dot com. But don't wait any longer. Do
it today before it's too late.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Make your smart speaker smarter stream us Okay, getting smarter now.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
It's West Michigan Live with Justin Barclay on NewsRadio.
Speaker 7 (28:54):
Wooden Westerner this Tuesday, May sixth I'm Robin Poffman. It's
a Westerner News original story. Michigan Secretary of State Jocelyn
Benson releasing thousands of pages of election documents to the
House Oversight Committee, Just not the documents the committee subpoena
House Speaker pro Tem Rachelle Smith, saying in a statement
(29:15):
after sifting through the information for several hours. We've yet
to see much of the substantive election training materials we requested.
Secretary Benson knows what we're asking for, and she's refusing
to give us access. President Trump signing an executive order
banning gain a function research the kind that led us
right into the coronavirus pandemic at the hands of the
(29:37):
researchers at the lab in Wuhan, China.
Speaker 5 (29:39):
It's a big deal.
Speaker 9 (29:40):
Could have been that we wouldn't have had the problem.
Speaker 5 (29:42):
We had a lot of people say that's if we
had this.
Speaker 7 (29:46):
Done, and the Trump administration offering illegal aliens a free
flight and some cash to self deport. The CBP Customs
and Border Patrol app has been reconfigured to instruct them
how to do it. For these stories and visit the Midwest.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Day two Officer Christopher sure the former GRPD police officer,
trial continues. Jerry in deliberations on day two and we're
awaiting could be at any moment that we're going to
get a verdict. But I wanted to grab through another
couple of quick calls. We promised tech Tuesday, we normally
do today, but Trent has agreed to hang around. We
(30:23):
may be able to get to him on the after
show today at ten. So if that's the case, by
the way, let me quickly grab some phone calls at
is back on. ED had to jump into a meeting quickly,
but ED is an attorney. In a ED, you're a
former police officer.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
Actually, I still work as a police officer.
Speaker 9 (30:44):
I do part time police work by law offices full time.
I do drunk driving cases full time. Okay, so we'll
stay in the I stay doing police work.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
And you know, I would say I agree with your
previous mark on how police are trained. And I would add,
once you're allowed to use deadly force, it doesn't matter
how you carry it out. And you know, in this case,
deadly force is ugly. But in this case as as
not only was officers Sure disarmed of his taser, you
(31:19):
can see that Patrick Leoya moves it from his we
cand to his dominant hand and is starting to turn
to the right, and it's it's very reasonable for Officer
Sure to believe it's going to be used against them.
And it doesn't matter how officers should carried out the
deadly force, whether it's a shot to the head or
(31:41):
you know, you could if you have to, You can
run somebody over if you believe your life is in
danger or someone else's is.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
I got a couple of attorney questions for you. What
did you think about the prosecution bringing the manslaughter charge
in at the last minute.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
You know, that's not unusual A lot of a lot
of times in cases there will be a lesser included charge.
Speaker 9 (32:07):
However, I don't believe Chris Becker proved to be on
a reasonable.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
Doubt each of the elements of both of the both
of the charges. I don't.
Speaker 9 (32:15):
I don't think the manslaughter even applies to this case.
But it looks to me like it was I'm trying
to get something from the jury, right do you.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Think because I look at this, and look, I'm not
an attorney, I'm not an excerpt, but I'm just looking
at a common sense and to me, it looks like he
knew he didn't prove his case. He was concerned that
this jury was going to come back and say we
don't see it and he was going to be empty handed,
so they they desperately threw this in.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
Yeah, you're absolutely right, justin That's exactly what it looks like,
is you know, he's hoping that the jury will you know,
give him.
Speaker 9 (32:56):
Something, you know, split the split the difference. And I
think he probably would have done better with a different charge.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
Because you know, the elements.
Speaker 9 (33:05):
Of of of manslaughter just don't apply.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
There was no there's no heat of passion in this.
There was you know, there was a struggle, you know.
Speaker 9 (33:15):
In a trying to survive. This had nothing to do
with a heat of passion.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
He wasn't angry with Patrick.
Speaker 9 (33:22):
There was nothing that Chris Becker showed in his in
his part of the case that was equal to this
manslaughter charge.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
All right, so last, last, but not least, if you
had the grade the prosecution and the defense here. So
what of the police officers said? I think they just
called in earlier too. I think it may have been Mike.
But anyway, the point was he said he thought that
they had missed some the defense at least had missed
(33:54):
some opportunities. What do you think about that?
Speaker 4 (33:58):
Well, you know, every defense attorney feels that way. Every
attorney does after a trial.
Speaker 9 (34:04):
It's like, you know, what I should have said this,
or I was gonna say that.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
Or this would have been good. Trials are very difficult.
There's a lot of internal emotion going on when you're
when you're doing your best for your client at a trial,
and so I think overall, the defense did a much
better job. I've never had a trial, you know, against
Chris Becker, and I watched him and I thought, man,
I'd like to have one, because I thought he did
(34:29):
a very, very poor job in his case. I honestly
thought the defense did much better.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
What do you think happens with the jury here? And
and you know, we've heard speculation about how long it
takes for them to come back and whether that has
any meaning.
Speaker 9 (34:46):
You know, because there was a lot of witnesses and
a lot of evidence, and because this is a death case,
it's not going to be unusual that they take their
they take their time. You know, they couldn't come back today,
but if it went on till tomorrow, that wouldn't be,
you know, unusual. I think they're gonna come back with
a not guilty on both, but they want to go
(35:07):
through everything just to make sure.
Speaker 4 (35:09):
And they know there's protesters outside and so you know
that's gonna have some co bearing on it.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Well, and I appreciate you taking the time to be
here with us. Thank you for you know, your courage
and and so we appreciate all that you're doing. When
and we're gonna save your number zero in case we
need you. We'll have you back and talk about maybe
the verdict or uh, you know what it happened.
Speaker 4 (35:31):
Yeah, anytime, justin thank you, thank you for your work too.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
You got it, brother, Thank you so much. God bless
there we go, folks. It was just that I didn't
have a chance to get to all of the calls,
and I apologize if we left you hanging. I uh
will try and get you back. Uh maybe tomorrow we'll
have brought another opportunity to grab some more calls on this.
In the meantime, we're gonna do tech talk on the
after show. Justin Barklay dot com, Facebook, rumble x, get
(35:56):
her all those usual spaces and places, especially locals as well,
the iHeartRadio app where you can download the podcast, or
any place you get podcasts. That's it again. We're sticking
with you through d two of deliberations in this trial,
and the jury could come back at a moment, So
stick with us throughout the day. We'll break in with
(36:16):
all of that coverage. Back with you then tomorrow make
it a great one. God bless
Buy from hyatop Monroe Center in downtown Grand Rapids. We're
talking about what matters most to you when West Michigan.
Joining a conversation now at six one six seven seven four,
twenty four twenty four.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
At six one, six seven seven.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Four twenty four twenty four, it's West Michigan Live with
Justin Barklay on Wood Radio.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
And welcome at wild Boy. The news never stops. We
got a big week ahead. We still got the pope
they gotta pick. I know, and I've seen some of
these memes going around online and it's getting down to
the wire on this and we'll know if orange smoke
starts coming out on that chimney then things little side, Well,
(00:41):
we're gonna talk about that today. By the way, uh,
if we get some time, we got a tech Tuesday.
We gotta get into all the conversations surrounding a either's
humanoid road bites attacking people. Right now, we'll get into
all of it. And that big outage situation problem looks
like it's tech oriented out in New.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Orkan news weather and traffic. I'm his stories of the day.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
We're talking about what matters most in West Michigan and
beyond this is the Big Three now see speak three.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
We also have day number two of jury deliberations underway
right now, the trial of officer former GRPD officer Christopher Sure.
We'll get into that and what you may expect to
hear and see In fact, as early as maybe even
just moments from now today, a verdict comeing in and
(01:38):
there's a lot of people talking about also what does
that mean. I don't know if it's gonna be easy
to tell based on everything I've seen in this trial.
We'll get into that. Hang on number one. Thanks for
our good friends at Heartland Home Mortgage. Today we're firing
up the Big three. Whether you need to buy refly
home equity line of credit, Dave Galilee and the team
at Hartland Home Mortgage ready to help you the faster, quicker,
(02:00):
better than the big banks. And they've helped us save
thousands each and every time we've done it. Bought a
home refinanced home equity line of credit fantastic. They're willing
to pay. Trump says they'll give them one thousand dollars
to leave that and free flights. That's part of the initiative.
Department of Homeland Secretary Christy no, it's headed to the
(02:24):
Capitol today to talk about this new plan that will
get immigrants out or here illegally, those aliens. In fact,
they say this because you know you're always what okay,
what the Democrats can say, Well, it's too much money,
that it cost too much. Why are we spending all
this money doing all this Well, turns out the average
cost of Deportenka's forty five hundred dollars. This will be
(02:46):
even less. Keep an eye on that. More than one
hundred flights delayed at Newark Airport. It's not safe, they're
saying in New Jersey Secretary of Transportation Sean Duffy talking
about this. They've had a number of tech issues. Has
the thing been hacked? Is it just because it's faulty
(03:07):
and old, or is there something else happening behind the scenes.
We talk about that with our good friend Trent. Can
it be? And I think over one hundred flights already
delayed and canceled as of this morning. Again, those issues
continue this week. Well, the jury is out daty two
of deliberations continuing. Yesterday we got the closing arguments, we
(03:29):
got a couple of quick witnesses and then they moved
to deliberate. The jury has it. They're out. They packed
things up, went home after like four hours of deliberations
yesterday in the trial of former GRPD officer Christopher Cher.
(03:50):
Lots of folks praying about this, and of course, the minute,
the minute we get any indication of any verdict being reached,
et cetera, will break in immediately, if not sooner, and
keep you abreast of all of that information and more.
By the way, I want to play for you some
of the closing arguments yesterday so you can get a
bit of a taste of what actually took place. We'll
(04:13):
get into that coming up in just moments. First, your
chance to join a conversation at any time the iHeartRadio app.
Just click that button that little microphone next to a
play button and sound off. Let it rip or knew
(04:34):
it the old fashioned way.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Call Justin now at six one, six seven seven, twenty
four twenty four at six one, six seven seven twenty
four to twenty four West Michigan Live with Justin Barclay
on News Radio Wood thirteen hundred and one OHO six
nine a f M.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
All right, stand by, folks, as we gear up for
another big one. I should probably mention Canada's Mark Carney
come into the White else today. So we've got that
on tap as well a couple other big things, a
story and a Rona report that I just barely barely
had a chance to spend any time with. But it's
true yesterday Trump kept his promises, signing an EO. Fauci
(05:14):
isn't happy about this, and we'll talk about that coming
up in moments as well. Some of the closing arguments
from yesterday prosecution of the defense. Here's Chris Becker, the prosecutor.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
That's what this case is about.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
This is a real man, human being.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
I shot the back of head back in April twenty twenty.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Two because Patrick is no sae. I'm not gonna sit
here and argue Patrick was a saint.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
He was drunk driving, he was resisting, he was driving
about a driver's license.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
None of those are executes. I think it's really tough
to you know, finally, when the when they confront reality
like this, I think it's really tough to say the
guy was drunk driving. Well, in fact, I just saw
came up in my history my memories from Facebook three
years ago today that police report came out from the
(06:04):
Michigan State Police. They found a toxicology apparently, if I
remember correctly, I'm trying to remember the number, but I
think it was zero point two nine blood alcohol level.
Now that's super drunk. That's crazy. So I don't know
if that's an accurate dumb I just tell you, I'm
trying to remember it. We'll fact check it, Adam, can
you check that number real quick? But either way, this
(06:26):
was a rumor that I had heard. In fact, it
was being reported in circles that he was super drunk. Now,
sure said on the stand he didn't smell alcohol in
his breath. But Prosecutor Becker, he was just kind of
glossing over this. The guy, Yeah, he was driving drunk,
but it neerve to die for that. It wasn't just
driving drunk. He was resisting drunk. He was wrestling with
(06:48):
the officer on the ground drunk. He was grabbing his
weapon drunk. There was no reason, there was no reasoning
with the individual. Point two nine. That was right, Okay, fantastic.
I know I saw the number. I thought that was it.
So point two nine, folks, Why doesn't the defense make
(07:11):
a bigger deal of this? I don't know, maybe they
did at some point, but I don't know that I
saw that. Point twenty nine, the guy is three sheets
to the wind. The guy is hammered, he's he's he's complete.
Now does that mean that he deserved to die? I'm
not saying that. But what I am saying is that
the officer felt like his life was in danger. He
(07:35):
was threatened the minute that that man three times the
legal limit drunk grabs his dangerous weapon. Now that is
the wording of the of the prosecution's own witness, the
man that works for the Taser company. It is a
dangerous weapon. I don't care what people tell you about
the prongs being in and out, whatever the other thing
(07:57):
might be, or the cartridges. It is still a danger
dangerous and usable weapon. That is from the man at
the Taser company. It is considered a dangerous weapon. It
could have been used on You said, we could have
killed him, Well, it doesn't matter. Doesn't matter whether it
(08:18):
could or couldn't have. He felt like his life was
in danger. If he could have been incapacitated at any
moment because of the use of that dangerous weapon on officer, sure,
then he had I believe all the authority and all
the right to defend himself from death or great bodily
(08:40):
harm in that moment, because if he's incapacitated, then what
else does he have on him. He's got another fire
He's got a firearm that could have been used against him.
It doesn't matter whether it's a firearm or rock. Could
have been used against him. You know, Leoya could have
bludgeoned him to death. He could have beat him to
death with his own hands if he was incapacitated. Do
(09:01):
you understand what I'm saying at this point? It is very,
very dangerous for that officer. To me, this is open
and shutcase. But that's These are the things that I
believe weren't said enough. And these are the things. You
can criticize the defense. You could talk about what should
or shouldn't have happened. There were problems, there were issues,
there were holes in both the defense and the prosecution
(09:22):
and their cases. But these all of these things that
I'm saying to you undeniable. I mean, you can argue
with my opinion on things, but you cannot deny that
he was zero point two nine blood alcohol. You cannot
deny that he had his hand on what the Again,
this is evidence. This is what demand from the Taser
company said was a dangerous weapon. And you cannot deny
(09:45):
that Sure said he was in fear for his life.
These are the facts the jury must acquit now, whether
they will or won't. There's questions right now about this
whole thing. How much time they're to Usually they come
back quick. It means that there's a guilty product. Now
if they take a little bit more time, they say,
maybe it might be acquittal or it could be a
(10:08):
hung jury. They can't come I think, honestly, I think
that's probably what you're gonna get. You're probably gonna get,
just knowing today's day and age, you're probably gonna get
that this judge who has not been very I don't know,
affaires the word you want to use. By the way,
defense filed some motion to say she was biased because
(10:29):
of faces she was making and expressions during the self
defense portions of testimony. She of course denied that. So
all of this to say, and to tell you, I
hate it, and I hate that it ever happened. My
heart goes out not only to Officer Sure's family, all
the police officers, folks putting themselves in a lot of
(10:51):
duty every day. But it also goes out to Patrick
Leoya's family as well. I can't imagine the position they're in,
so I pray for all of them, and I pray
for this area going through but also Kent County. It's
not just Grand Rampids. We're in a very sticky predicament
right now. And there's more about this, and I'll talk
about it another day or behind the scenes somewhere, but
(11:14):
just just just not right now. Yeah, the judge rolled
her eyes here, and that's right. That's that's that's what
she's accused of doing. And I didn't see that on camera,
but that's that's the word. So this is part of
what you're hearing. What we've been listening to is part
of the closing statements yesterday off of the officer Christopher
(11:37):
sure trial. Here is Chris Becker more from the prosecuting attorney.
Speaker 5 (11:43):
Just because he committed the phony, he could havemit twenty felonies,
he could have had other colonies.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
He doesn't mean he deserved to die or he has
his eye.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
That's for juries, that's.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
For other things down the road.
Speaker 6 (11:53):
There's intent to hunt and the intent to.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Kill, you know, the juries or other things down the road. Chris,
that's it. That's assuming that sure makes it home. And
and mister prosecutor, let me just say this, this is
the worst timing for this trial to take place, or
maybe the best. If you think about an officer was
shot in Miskegan, I think two or three this week shot.
(12:16):
I think an underscore is the danger of the job
that these folks are facing.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
He wrapped up.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Nobody's saying that when we left that morning, then he
intended to kill somebody when he fired the shot.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
He intended to kill.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
That is fear when you put a bolt. And some
of as the facusis happened, was the killing justified or
excused or reduced to a loss of crime?
Speaker 2 (12:35):
That it's not.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
I got to pause this and we'll have more of
it coming up. And just thinking. But when he says
reduced to a lesser crime, something interesting happened yesterday the prosecution.
At the last moment, the prosecution throws in, well, we
could do this manslaughter charge. I don't know about you,
but if I'm sitting on the jury, I'm wondering why
(12:58):
we're here talking murder this full time, and all of
a sudden you're talking manslaughter now this is not I
don't think it's fair, but it does happen. I don't
think it's fair because you've asked a jury the entire
time to consider murder, and now you're saying that you
should have been looking and listening and for all of
these things for manslaughter during this entire trial. I don't
think that's necessarily fair, but it is. It is legitimate.
(13:20):
They are able to do that. However, to me, it
just shows me that they've got no case and they
know it. In fact, they are probably pretty concerned with
what the outcome of this trial is going to be.
If it's a hung jury, they got to come back
and do it all over again. That's if Prosecutor Becker,
who's put it all on the line for this and
(13:41):
I think risked greatly his reputation, his career. You might
say that's honorable. I think that might even be dangerous itself.
But I just would tell you that he's gonna have
to have a tough decision to make again, and if
he doesn't with Dan and Nessel, I don't know, I mean,
I don't even even know if it's that's possible, but
(14:03):
I will tell you there's a lot at steak here,
and we're just moments away, folks from having some answers.
As soon as we get them, we'll let you know
Day two of deliberations in that trial. Take Tuesday on
the way our.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Good friend track.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Can I be joining us the footable I Store, Lake
Michigan Drive in Standwe we'll get to the latest coming
up in just moments. Thank you for being here with us.
You want to weigh in, you can at any time
Justin Barclay dot com, the iHeartRadio app, click that button
and sound off or on the phones at six one,
(14:39):
six seven, seven four twenty four.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Breaking down the story.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
It's West Michigan Live with Justin Barklay on News Radio
Wood thirteen hundred and one oh six nine a f M.
Speaker 7 (14:50):
Here are your headlines from the Midwesterner this Tuesday, May
sixth I'm Robin Poffman. It's a Midwesterner dot news original
story talk about playing games. Michigan Secretary of State Democrat
Jocelyn Benson sends thousands of election documents over to the
House Oversight Committee, but not the one subpoened her office,
stumping close to two thousand pages of the wrong stuff.
(15:12):
Benson reportedly knows exactly what the House Oversight Committee is
asking for, but is refusing to send over the election
related material. In other news, the Trump administration suing Michigan
Attorney General Dana Nessel and Governor Whitmer over lawfare targeting
the fossil fuel industry, and President Trump scheduled to head
to the Middle East as he looks to end the
(15:33):
war between Israel and Hamas. Israel calling up ten thousand
reserve officers as it looks to go into Gaza and
eradicate the terrorist organization. The fate of the remaining hostages
snatched by Hamas back on October seventh. Unclear. For these
stories and more, visit the Midwesterner at the Midwesterner dot.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
New bnck on the lines and I got more closing
arguments I want to play through coming up in just
a little bit. We are expecting and could get it
any moment now as well. On day two jury deliberations
Here in the trial here officer sure former GRPD police
officer just blocks away from where I'm sitting right now.
(16:12):
We could get a verdict at any moment when that
does happen, or we hear that the jurorse have reached
a verdict. We're gonna we'll break in and let you
know immediately ifd out. Sooner ads on the line. Good
morning again, justin thank you for joining you. Yeah, you too.
Speaker 8 (16:28):
So I'm a I'm a defense attorney. I just do
drunk driving cases.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
I'm also a police officer. So to answer your question
on the super drunk in Michigan, point one seven or
higher is considered super drunk.
Speaker 8 (16:42):
Wow, So he definitely would fit that category.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
What is point two nine? Is that super duper drunk?
What are we talking there?
Speaker 4 (16:52):
Well, yes, it would have to be.
Speaker 8 (16:55):
The other thing is I've had to fight with drunks
trying to arrest them, and you know, it's tough because
you know they don't necessarily feel, you know, the thing
that you're yeah, and you're trying to restrain.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Hey, can you ed? Can young? Can you hang for
a minute. I gotta take a break for some news.
But I have questions for you, and I think the
audience would like to hear from you.
Speaker 9 (17:15):
I will, I will do my bat.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
They got a meeting, they.
Speaker 9 (17:17):
Might call me in, but I will.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
All right, hang on the phone line. I'm gonna get
We're gonna get your number. If we need to. Maybe
even if we don't talk to you right now, maybe
we can have you back stand by ad police officer, attorney.
I got questions I don't know about you. We'll get
into all of that coming up after this. It's West
Michigan Live News is next Tech Talk segment coming up
(17:44):
in just moments. First, the defense closing statements yesterday from
Matthew Morgula.
Speaker 5 (17:49):
I'm here to judge the g RPD policy. You are
not here to judge whether it was reasonable for him
to chase Patrick Leone. And you must look at it
as at the moment of the threat, when Patrick Leoya
had the taser in his right hand, whether or not
Christopher Sure was reasonably in fear, and the prosecutor has
(18:13):
failed miserably fires a taser, as everybody agrees, mister Ley
grabs it and moves it to the side. That was
mister Leoia's decision. He grabbed it and he never let go.
The taser is now in his right hand. Officer as
Sure as trying to get the taser back still and
he can't. This is the decision. You have to judge
(18:36):
whether in the moment of the threat he was afraid
of that taser facitation or great bodily hunt. Whether it
was reasonable for him to make the decision he never
wanted to make that morning. That's what you're judging. What
it was reasonable, and that split second for him to
think that an officer could be in fear of the taser,
not whether if what did Patrick Glawd intend to do
(18:59):
with it. He's got holding him like a gun and
he's getting up.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
It is uh that that again makes you go, wait
a minute. That was his defense, and I don't think
they showed you the best of the best parts. They
showed you lots of the prosecution, Thank you would TV.
This is the same TV station, by the way, that
ran a story last week that said it was an
all white jury selected and then we get the jury
makeup and it's you know, hispanic, h some black or
(19:27):
mixed race, and lots of women on the jury. I
think one or two men. I'm not exactly sure of
the full makeup, and I couldn't tell you. I'm no
expert there, but it doesn't necessarily give me everything that
I've I've watched. I'm not exactly thrilled about possible outcome
of all of this. I just again join me in
(19:49):
praying for this this area of the folks who are
involved in this is obviously, Uh, this is not going
to be This is not going be fun. Okay, So
did we lose that by the way, Okay, so he
had to bail, he had a meeting. Edit, but we
got his number. We're gonna try and see if we can, uh,
we could get him back and get him back on
(20:12):
the line. Here, let me just run through a couple
of quick phone calls. Maybe we'll get at tomorrow. We'll see,
we'll see whether we can get him today or tomorrow.
We'll find out a couple of folks that are waiting,
and then we're going to get into tech talk with
their good friend Trent. Hey, Mike, you're on first I
think are you in Portland? Yes, thank you, my friend appreciate.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
It listening to this case.
Speaker 8 (20:32):
And if he was that drunk, how could you to
kill what if he kill somebody driver his car?
Speaker 10 (20:39):
I mean he had to be that drunk.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Nope, most people even drive a car at point's.
Speaker 10 (20:45):
Incentive for a police officer to pull anybody over.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Well that this is a great point because at point
two nine, the prosecutor in this case was essentially saying
that one of the things that he ought to done here,
this officer. Sure, as we await day two a jury deliberation,
we have way to verdict. Could happen at any moment,
But one of the things he thought should happen here
was that he should a church. You should have let
(21:08):
him go. Well, what if he gets back in the
car and kill somebody, particularly a kid?
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Absolutely, this is this is nothing we can all do
twenty twenty, you know all we actually should have done.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
What the centive is there for a police officer?
Speaker 3 (21:21):
I mean, could be not What incentive is there for
now for anyone to go into two policing? That's a
whole other question. Mike, I appreciate it. We got a
phone full of mics apparently got Mike and Wyoming up next. Mike,
how are you welcome in West Michigan life?
Speaker 10 (21:34):
Hi, Jason, I'll compliment what a gentleman for Portland was
talking about.
Speaker 9 (21:39):
You wonder why no one wants to be a cop.
Speaker 10 (21:41):
He did exactly what he was trained to. This guy
being drunk got nothing to do with the should.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
Do of this. It's just the way it is.
Speaker 10 (21:48):
If his life is threatened, he is trained to stop
the threat. And it's sad, and the are said, but
cops get killed every day justin it's like, oh yeah,
well we three or four got killed today. It's no
none of this should even be happening.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Three shot here in Michigan, just in the last few days.
When I'm Mischigan. Yet I think it was Was it yesterday?
Speaker 4 (22:07):
I think, yeah, I know.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
It really is. It's horrific when you think of it. Mike,
thank you for the call. But that's a great point.
And the mic from Portland brought this up just a
moment ago. But how drunk he was He get back
in the car, he drives, he hurts or kills someone.
And on top of it, it was like eight o'clock
in the morning. I mean he got buses, school buses,
kids running around in neighborhoods. I can't imagine that a
(22:31):
prosecutor tries to make the case, well, this guy was
no boy scout. Guess who was officer? Sure, everything about
him in his background, which the judge and the prosecution
wouldn't allow into the trial. Everything about him in at
his background, the fact that he was a missionary and
he had gone to God. A matter of fact, he had.
It's such a hart to serve over there in these
(22:52):
people because they tried to make it all about race,
by the way, they've tried to pull that car, but
this guy was a missionary. It's served over. They had
gotten married, he and his wife had gotten married. Over
That sounds like a real racist to me. But none
of this was allowed in the conversation, which is just absolutely.
You have to wonder whether or not this guy got
(23:12):
a fair trial. It's a fair question. And after everything
I've seen, I'm not excited about it. Mike and Grandville. Third, Mike,
we got, like I said, phone full of mice. Inent Mike,
Good morning, you're on West Michigan Life.
Speaker 11 (23:25):
Hey, justin how you doing. Hey. Chris Becker should be
ashamed of himself. He has no backbone. After Chief Larsen
took a knee with everybody on the protest downtown and
then they turned around and burned the city, and then
this happened, he was afraid when Ben Crump, the racist
got involved, and he was afraid the same thing was
(23:47):
going to happen, so he took a stand on one side.
Christopher sure did nothing wrong. We need to pray for
him and his family. And the Michigan State Police officer
at the burger came in Kentwood.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
He the same thing.
Speaker 11 (24:02):
Yeah, this is just unreal. And hey, I appreciate your
show and pray for you and the family every day.
Keep up the good work.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Thank you, brother, I appreciate that. All right, last club
that we're going to get into tech and a hold
some of the other folks that are on the line.
If you're waiting, we'll try and squeeze in at the
end of the show. But I wanted to get into
Mark from Rockford, thirty four year police veteran, and you
say the defense missed some key points. Welcome in, Mark, appreciate.
Speaker 6 (24:28):
Well, thank you.
Speaker 11 (24:29):
Hey.
Speaker 6 (24:29):
I when I was first watching, I saw the Wade
butler I believe testify and he said watching that fight
initially and his daughter wrestles. Actually he said, somebody's going
to die out of this.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
That's right.
Speaker 6 (24:43):
I think that needed to be emphasized completely. And the
other thing when they were talking to Captain mccersey, he said,
I wouldn't let my daughter play with his taser first
of all, because it's a felony. Well it's a four
year felony. But the prosecution would like you to believe
that Captain mccersey came there to commit a fifteen year
(25:04):
perjury felony, and that they all lied about their training,
and they all showed up and you can't believe what
they say, and they lied to cover them up.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
So here's three.
Speaker 6 (25:14):
Grand Rapids commanders looking for retirement that want to risk
their future in fifteen years in prison because they're lying
about the training, they're lying about their opinion, and it
just I think you needed to make a big deal
out of that.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
I agree. I think there were some there were a
lot of points at the defense messed and unfortunately this right,
this is, this is We'll see how this goes. I
don't see how any one reasonable sitting on that jury
could convict him. Now, they threw in the manslaughter just
to I think, because they knew they didn't have a
case right. But they should have never brought that. They
(25:52):
should have never brought this case in the first place.
If they knew it, they knew the changed.
Speaker 6 (25:57):
It doesn't even match up. It's not a heat of
pay and crime. He can do it by accident. He
took that shot like police officers are trained to take
a contact shot and years ago, we begin practicing what
we call body armor drills because criminals were buying body armor.
Two shots of the chest, one of the head, and
then if there's a hostage target, they usually show you
(26:18):
just a little piece of the head and you got
to make that shot and you can't hit the hostage.
So he didn't shirk when it came to pointing it
towards his head and firing the weapon, because that's the
way he's been trained. If it's a taser, you are
trained to WHOA. I don't want to get it over
the heart. I don't want to hit it in the
sensitive area. I don't want to do it around the
(26:39):
face of the head. But with a handgun, no, if
you're going to use deadly force, you shoot it to
where you have the main target, including the head. If
you need a central nervous system hit in order to
stop the thread immediately. Because handguns are very poor performers,
we don't send our military people into terrorist bunkers with
their handgun. They carry a rifle totally different way. And
(27:01):
that's my point.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
I thank you for today, Mark, I appreciate you. Thank
you for your courage and and uh service. I appreciate Uh,
I appreciate you calling in and weighing in. Let me
let me tell you folks, Uh, I planned I do
it a little bit more. We were going to do
tech talk here, but Ed is back on the phone,
so let me take a break. I'm gonna come back. Ed,
who's an attorney, and the police officers well had some
(27:22):
thoughts on this trial as well. I want to take
a quick break. I'll be back. We'll try and squeeze
tech talk in. But Trent is Uh, We're really be
flexible today, Trent. So if there's if we have to
work around it, we will. First let me tell you
about the folks at Talent Wealth. Look, you need to
protect yourself. Self defense and also financial defense is one
(27:45):
thing that folks need to be looking at on a
daily basis. How do you protect your wealth? This is
an incredible time. We've seen the markets go up and down.
The roller coaster ride that we've been on recently is
making It's enough to make anyone get a little sick,
right sick to your stomach. Well, you had to don't
have to be, especially if you're working with the folks
at Talentwealth. Mike Lester and the team are there to
(28:06):
protect you, not just guard your nest Egg like their
website and radio show Guarding your nest Egg dot Com,
but help you thrive, not just survive in some of
these challenging times. They take a holistic approach to all
of this investment strategy. They want to make sure that
you are protected no matter what happens. Work with a
(28:26):
team that truly cares about your financial will being. Reach
out to Mike and the team today at six one
six sixty six one one thousand. That's six one six
sixty six one one thousand, or online at Guarding your
nest egg dot com. But don't wait any longer. Do
it today before it's too late.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Make your smart speaker smarter stream us Okay, getting smarter now.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
It's West Michigan Live with Justin Barclay on NewsRadio.
Speaker 7 (28:54):
Wooden Westerner this Tuesday, May sixth I'm Robin Poffman. It's
a Westerner News original story. Michigan Secretary of State Jocelyn
Benson releasing thousands of pages of election documents to the
House Oversight Committee, Just not the documents the committee subpoena
House Speaker pro Tem Rachelle Smith, saying in a statement
(29:15):
after sifting through the information for several hours. We've yet
to see much of the substantive election training materials we requested.
Secretary Benson knows what we're asking for, and she's refusing
to give us access. President Trump signing an executive order
banning gain a function research the kind that led us
right into the coronavirus pandemic at the hands of the
(29:37):
researchers at the lab in Wuhan, China.
Speaker 5 (29:39):
It's a big deal.
Speaker 9 (29:40):
Could have been that we wouldn't have had the problem.
Speaker 5 (29:42):
We had a lot of people say that's if we
had this.
Speaker 7 (29:46):
Done, and the Trump administration offering illegal aliens a free
flight and some cash to self deport. The CBP Customs
and Border Patrol app has been reconfigured to instruct them
how to do it. For these stories and visit the Midwest.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Day two Officer Christopher sure the former GRPD police officer,
trial continues. Jerry in deliberations on day two and we're
awaiting could be at any moment that we're going to
get a verdict. But I wanted to grab through another
couple of quick calls. We promised tech Tuesday, we normally
do today, but Trent has agreed to hang around. We
(30:23):
may be able to get to him on the after
show today at ten. So if that's the case, by
the way, let me quickly grab some phone calls at
is back on. ED had to jump into a meeting quickly,
but ED is an attorney. In a ED, you're a
former police officer.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
Actually, I still work as a police officer.
Speaker 9 (30:44):
I do part time police work by law offices full time.
I do drunk driving cases full time. Okay, so we'll
stay in the I stay doing police work.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
And you know, I would say I agree with your
previous mark on how police are trained. And I would add,
once you're allowed to use deadly force, it doesn't matter
how you carry it out. And you know, in this case,
deadly force is ugly. But in this case as as
not only was officers Sure disarmed of his taser, you
(31:19):
can see that Patrick Leoya moves it from his we
cand to his dominant hand and is starting to turn
to the right, and it's it's very reasonable for Officer
Sure to believe it's going to be used against them.
And it doesn't matter how officers should carried out the
deadly force, whether it's a shot to the head or
(31:41):
you know, you could if you have to, You can
run somebody over if you believe your life is in
danger or someone else's is.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
I got a couple of attorney questions for you. What
did you think about the prosecution bringing the manslaughter charge
in at the last minute.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
You know, that's not unusual A lot of a lot
of times in cases there will be a lesser included charge.
Speaker 9 (32:07):
However, I don't believe Chris Becker proved to be on
a reasonable.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
Doubt each of the elements of both of the both
of the charges. I don't.
Speaker 9 (32:15):
I don't think the manslaughter even applies to this case.
But it looks to me like it was I'm trying
to get something from the jury, right do you.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Think because I look at this, and look, I'm not
an attorney, I'm not an excerpt, but I'm just looking
at a common sense and to me, it looks like he
knew he didn't prove his case. He was concerned that
this jury was going to come back and say we
don't see it and he was going to be empty handed,
so they they desperately threw this in.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
Yeah, you're absolutely right, justin That's exactly what it looks like,
is you know, he's hoping that the jury will you know,
give him.
Speaker 9 (32:56):
Something, you know, split the split the difference. And I
think he probably would have done better with a different charge.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
Because you know, the elements.
Speaker 9 (33:05):
Of of of manslaughter just don't apply.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
There was no there's no heat of passion in this.
There was you know, there was a struggle, you know.
Speaker 9 (33:15):
In a trying to survive. This had nothing to do
with a heat of passion.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
He wasn't angry with Patrick.
Speaker 9 (33:22):
There was nothing that Chris Becker showed in his in
his part of the case that was equal to this
manslaughter charge.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
All right, so last, last, but not least, if you
had the grade the prosecution and the defense here. So
what of the police officers said? I think they just
called in earlier too. I think it may have been Mike.
But anyway, the point was he said he thought that
they had missed some the defense at least had missed
(33:54):
some opportunities. What do you think about that?
Speaker 4 (33:58):
Well, you know, every defense attorney feels that way. Every
attorney does after a trial.
Speaker 9 (34:04):
It's like, you know, what I should have said this,
or I was gonna say that.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
Or this would have been good. Trials are very difficult.
There's a lot of internal emotion going on when you're
when you're doing your best for your client at a trial,
and so I think overall, the defense did a much
better job. I've never had a trial, you know, against
Chris Becker, and I watched him and I thought, man,
I'd like to have one, because I thought he did
(34:29):
a very, very poor job in his case. I honestly
thought the defense did much better.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
What do you think happens with the jury here? And
and you know, we've heard speculation about how long it
takes for them to come back and whether that has
any meaning.
Speaker 9 (34:46):
You know, because there was a lot of witnesses and
a lot of evidence, and because this is a death case,
it's not going to be unusual that they take their
they take their time. You know, they couldn't come back today,
but if it went on till tomorrow, that wouldn't be,
you know, unusual. I think they're gonna come back with
a not guilty on both, but they want to go
(35:07):
through everything just to make sure.
Speaker 4 (35:09):
And they know there's protesters outside and so you know
that's gonna have some co bearing on it.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Well, and I appreciate you taking the time to be
here with us. Thank you for you know, your courage
and and so we appreciate all that you're doing. When
and we're gonna save your number zero in case we
need you. We'll have you back and talk about maybe
the verdict or uh, you know what it happened.
Speaker 4 (35:31):
Yeah, anytime, justin thank you, thank you for your work too.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
You got it, brother, Thank you so much. God bless
there we go, folks. It was just that I didn't
have a chance to get to all of the calls,
and I apologize if we left you hanging. I uh
will try and get you back. Uh maybe tomorrow we'll
have brought another opportunity to grab some more calls on this.
In the meantime, we're gonna do tech talk on the
after show. Justin Barklay dot com, Facebook, rumble x, get
(35:56):
her all those usual spaces and places, especially locals as well,
the iHeartRadio app where you can download the podcast, or
any place you get podcasts. That's it again. We're sticking
with you through d two of deliberations in this trial,
and the jury could come back at a moment, So
stick with us throughout the day. We'll break in with
(36:16):
all of that coverage. Back with you then tomorrow make
it a great one. God bless
Popular Podcasts
24/7 News: The Latest
The latest news in 4 minutes updated every hour, every day.
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com