Tucker Speaks Out on Charlie Kirk's Assassination, Candace Owens, & Erika Kirk (After Show) 12-11-25
December 11, 2025 • 39 mins
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And that is a big, big, big story because it
is part of his negotiation tactics and what is what's
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really happening now. I haven't talked about this a lot,
So I'm gonna tell you I'm kinda I sort of
error on the side of where Tucker is on this.
And actually let me let me pause him and bring
him back. I'm gonna let you hear part of his statement,
part of the video that he put out regarding his
(03:39):
thoughts on Candice Owens, on Charlie's assassination and all of
the people involved. And I wanted to I want to
tell you something. There's a lot of people right now
that are cutting dry on this issue, and I understand
some of that passion. I understand some of it, but
I find myself falling into the nuance of being torn,
(04:01):
like he explains, and I just want you to hear
what he said. It's been the thing that's resonated with
me the.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Most in the three months since Charlie Kirk was murdered.
I've really tried not to comment on the murder investigation
in public. And it's not because I don't care. Of course,
I love Charlie and I knew him well since he
was a teenager. But I haven't said anything about it.
I really tried not to say anything about it first
because I don't really know anything that everyone else doesn't know.
(04:31):
I've asked around, but of course, how do you know
what the truth is. But the other reason I haven't
said anything is because I know personally a number of
the people involved in what's now become a very large story.
I know them really well, and I really think a
lot of all of them on every side.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Candice Owans, I've known a long time.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
I love Candis Owans, Blake nef At TPUSA once worked
for me at a couple of different places. And I
love Blake nef Erica Kirk, I've known since she was
dating Charlie Kirk, and I love Erica Kirk, and I
think these are all really, really decent people. And so
it's been my desire for three months not to get
involved in any of this, and in general to think
(05:13):
to myself, anybody who is earnestly searching for the truth,
whether they're right or wrong, but as long as they're
motivated by a desire to find out what happened and
therefore honor Charlie's memory by getting to justice, anyone who's
doing that, I'm not going to criticize again, no matter
what track they're on. Lots of us, and this has
certainly happened to me have good moments, but good motives,
(05:36):
but wind up in the wrong place.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
But it's just since here that definitely happens.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
I have done that what he's saying, and this is
kind of this is kind of where I've landed on
some of this stuff. So I, like I said, I
haven't talked about it largely because I don't think I
first of all, this whole idea that you have to
speak out about everything.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Is it's just insane.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
First of all, I think that wisdom a lot of
times would counsel us to take our time when making
decisions on things, would counsel us to take our time
to get all the answers. Now that that very same,
that very same wisdom that tells me to stand back
(06:27):
and take some time, you might apply to somebody like
Candae and say, well, like, wouldn't it be wise for
her to take a step back and take some time
maybe allow some of these things to play out. I
don't know everything that she knows. I don't know everything
that she's seen and the story that's being painted for
(06:53):
her and when she's painting. But at the same time,
I just tend to wait until I have more before
I go now this. I'll give you a per example.
I have lots of rumors in Innu Indo and behind
the scenes this, that and the other thing that I've
heard and seen in YadA YadA YadA about what happened
(07:15):
to the coach of the of the Michigan Wolverine football team.
The lots that I have not said and I won't
say until it's being authenticated, verified and reported. A little
more widely, and I need to do some verification on
my own right oftentimes online for either you know, I mean,
(07:40):
it could be it could be well intended purposes. We
want to get to the trenth, We want to get it,
to get it out there as quick becaus we can't.
Or it could be for reasons we don't even realize,
you know, that we're being sort of pushed for clicks
or views or significance on side, I don't It could
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be any one of those, or it could be more malicious.
I can't make that judgment because I can't see what's
in anybody's heart. All I can say is I'm watching
things happen right now, and there is a massive rift.
(08:27):
This does not seem to me unintentional. Whether the people
that are in the middle of it realize that or not,
but there's a massive rift and the people that were
so united not long ago. So I think that's something
that needs to be.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Weighed.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Look at the fruit of where we are, what's going on,
and what's really.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Happening right now take into consideration.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
But at the same time, I haven't, like I said,
I haven't fully weighed in here because I don't know
all the facts.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
I really haven't followed.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Lots of people are following this like it's a soap opera,
waiting for the next you know, clue to drop or something,
and I just haven't done that, and so I can't.
Also don't feel like I'm qualified to, you know, comment
on things that I don't know.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
All the details about. So you know, that's that's part
of of my thought.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Process on it, and I think part of a part
of the thought process for for Tucker too. But listen,
I just, like I said, there's a little bit more
to this that he and I thought.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
This what he said.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
I don't agree with him on everything. I don't agree
with anybody on everything all the time anyway, but this,
what he's saying here, to me, is closest to the
way I have approached this, not exactly for the same
reasons that he has, but in his you know, in
(10:14):
his own words, he said, because he knows these people,
he knows them all. And I found myself in very
similar positions in situations where I've known people involved in
things and I just I watch it happen every day,
in fact, where I know people and I like these
people and they're at odds with each other on things,
and I go, wow, this is this is something so.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
I've just wanted to stay out. And then the other
day I had like a three hour conversation with THEO
Vaughn and it was not about Charlie Kirk or anything
related to it, but that topic came up and I said,
in effect, you know, I don't trust the FBI, and
that gave some people the impression that I was accusing
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them of being involved in Charlie's assassination, and of course
I wasn't, and I certainly didn't mean to. But it
gives me the chance now to say what I think,
which is that we should not necessarily trust the FBI.
And by the way, why would we. It's not an
attack on the political leadership of it. I known Dan Bongino,
(11:17):
for example, for a long time, and like Dan and
don't imagine he would ever be involved in intentionally covering
up a murder of somebody.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
I don't believe that.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
But Dan Bongino and Cash Mattel for that matter, are
at the top of the org chart. But this is
a huge organization and parts of it act independently from leadership.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
That's the nature of bureaucracy.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
So saying well, I like Dan Bungino and don't think
he would do something wrong on purpose, which is how
I feel, doesn't mean that I trust the FBI or
have to trust the FBI, And again, why would I.
If there's one lesson of the last election, the twenty
twenty four election, it's that a lot of our biggest systems,
our biggest institutions, have rot in them and that.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
Needs to be reformed.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
And as if we needed more proof of it, we've
learned what a lot of us suspected for years, that
January sixth was in effect a setup, and the FBI
was key to that setup. And it's still not clear
that everyone involved in that setup the FBI has been
fired or punished for that. So no person, no American,
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is under some moral obligation to believe everything the government
tells you, particularly institutions or agencies that have a long documented,
factually documented track record of committing crimes, participating illegally in
our political system, for example, as the FBI has done,
manufacturing crimes, setting people up, distorting justice at the opposite
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of their job, of course, which is to get to
justice through facts and then to tell the rest of
us how they arrived at this conclusion to prove to
the rest of us that the right people are being punished.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
So we're not under any obligation.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Of course, we shouldn't invent theories to discredit the FBI.
But it's not enough to have government officials tell us, well,
this is the truth. We have a right, probably an obligation,
to say, well, can you prove it? And if you can't,
I don't have to believe you. So there's one thing
that bothers me above all about the investigation to Charlie
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Kirk is that that is getting lost as people argue
over what happened. We are potentially letting our largest federal
law enforcement agency off the hook. It is the job
of the FBI to find out what happened and to
tell the rest of us, not hide behind well it's
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national security confidential sources. No tell us what happened, Show
us what happened, convince us what happened.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
That's your job, and we shouldn't accept anything less. And
by the way, when.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
We do accept something less, then you know, new explanations
fill the vacuum left by the FBI, which we pay.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
To explain to us.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
What happened, And so I'm going to really do my
best not to talk about things I don't understand, state
things as though I know them when I don't know them.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
I'm going to do my.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Best to stay out of it because I love Charlie
and I want justice to be done in this case.
But the rest of us should remain skeptical. We have
a duty to remain skeptical, and we should not be
ashamed of our skepticism.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
Thanks.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Unfortunately, that's that's where we are these days, is uh,
I don't we don't have it.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
It's not I wouldn't put it like Tucker puts his
way of a duty to be skeptical. But unfortunately, how
can you blame anyone for everything? Everything we've seen? H
And by the way, I think, I think, unfortunately that's
some of the intention on the things that we have
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witnessed over the last gosh that really ever since the
Vietnam War, I mean, I think the country has been
opening its eyes in a large part, maybe a lot
of us in society, opening our eyes to what what.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Is happening and what has happened.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Okay, So while Tucker says what I think resonates with
me probably the most. I haven't really put all this
in words because I never really felt compelled to. I've
kind of stayed out of this, and again I have
I'm just gonna and I wish I could give this
to you. I wish I could give it to everyone.
(15:48):
I have an ability and maybe it's just a grace,
maybe it's a gift from the Lord. I don't know
what it means. Something has learned, but I have an
ability to take us step back from the situation and
examine all the possibilities without marrying any one of them.
(16:09):
I look at them all. I've told you this before.
But I will take something. I'll look at it an idea,
a thought, a piece of evidence, something someone said, a narrative,
whatever it might be, and I'll take it and I'll
just kind of like pull it out.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Of the air, right and I just kind of look
at it and I go, oh, that's interesting. I'll flip
it around. I'll kind of, you know, just examine it
in my head.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Then i'll take it and I'll go okay, and then
i'll put it back up on the shelf and I
sort of compartmentalized. Then I'll take another way said like
an opposing idea or thought or or narrative or piece
of information. I said, Oh that's interesting, Okay, examine it,
put it back up on the shelf. I think that's
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the healthiest way to do it. That's my personal opinion.
What I see right now, Yeah, I would call that discernment.
But but what I see right now is too many
people getting way too involved into attached and there is
a tribalism thing happening.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
In some ways. And I think we're defending things that.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
When I say we, I've said to I'm talking about
us people in general, like we're defending things that shouldn't.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
There should be a little bit less of.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
A uh calling to war mentality kind of on some
of this stuff. I would just give you an example,
like I'm team Candae or I'm Team Turning Point, or
I'm Team Erica or I'm team.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
It took her great example.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
See, like you just heard me say, I really resonate
closest with what Tucker said. That doesn't mean that I
agree with everything, and I'm not team Tucker. I'm not
going to defend everything Tucker says because that's not my job.
My job isn't to defend Tucker and if you're watching
any of this, your job isn't to defend Candice.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
It's not to defend even Erica, who many are watching.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
In fact, I get the video here in just a
moment of what she said yesterday, and I found very
compelling as well. What we need to defend is getting
to the truth. We need to defend the truth, but
we also need.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
To defend the truth.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
And unfortunately what happens is we are pulled along far
too often by our own and this is our just
it's just our sense of how we make sense of
the world. But like it's almost like a defense mechanism,
something that's built into us. Here's the narrative, I believe,
(19:02):
and so I'm going to defend that to any because
the alternatives is I don't know. And if I don't know,
that's a lot more scary.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
See.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
I've gotten to the point where it's fine, I don't know.
You know why, because I'm not putting my safety, my security,
I'm not putting all my hope. I'm not putting worship
into me knowing something or having all the knowledge of something.
I sort of I sort of, you know, I had Canda,
the tinfoil hats and we talked about any new conspiracy
(19:31):
theories because mind come all true and all that, and
some of that was tongue in cheek to make fun
of the people who made who who who would downgrade
people for having, you know, questioned or ask questions about things,
And certainly I believe there's a way to do that
as well. So I'm not saying that you shouldn't, but
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there is a point where we put that higher than
the truth. We're just you know, we put that you
know that we know thing and that if you look
in the Bible, that has to do with I think
a spirit of divination and wanting to know, like secrets,
and there are things that I think that pull us
off of maybe where we should be. See I'm gonna
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give you an example at this comment, Candas is a
grifter and a narcissist who has been fired from or
cause trouble at all her jobs and schools.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
I can't make that statement.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
I can see how you might feel that way, but
I can also see how people who say, I'm I
support Candace's right to ask questions and I feel like
she's the only one to ask a quo.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
I don't think that's true. I think there are a
lot of people asking questions.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
I just think she's very vocal about it, so I'm
not I've seen people that I respect on both sides
of this. Timpole came out the other day and really
ripped in the and I said, she came back and
ripped them to him.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
By the way, none of this is helping us.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
There are people that want to destroy this country, and
we're fighting with each other. And it's not just like
the talking heads or the people that have podcaster shows
or anything like that. It's the people that watch and
listen and follow them as well. But it's that it's
also happening inside like state parties and county party It's
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happening everywhere right now because we were so united with
one cause and one purpose and now we're being scattered
like the wind.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
And my question is do you ever think about why? Interesting?
Speaker 2 (21:50):
So here is a little bit of she was on
Fox News yesterday, Erica Kirk, Charlie's widow, and the commentary.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
She made and when she was asked about.
Speaker 5 (22:01):
This, the perspective of a grieving widow, a mom, and
a battle tested American. Good to see you again today,
talk to me about this? Part of the conspiracies that
are out there, this disturbing part that people are trying
to guess where Charlie is.
Speaker 6 (22:19):
Can I have one thing? Can I have one thing?
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Here's the here's here's here's the thing. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
That's such a strange question. I've got to back it
down a little bit. But like, guess where Charlie is. Yeah,
I mean there's a whole other piece of this that
people but believe that he's not, like he's not really dead,
that he's actually somewhere else right now, that he faked
his own death. I understand why people think this way,
and I think to better paint his pictures because they're
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so hurt, they're so traumatized by what happened. That's where
a lot of this comes from, by the way, So
even like somebody like Candace, you may feel like he's
he's not being respectful and she's being a griptor. This
may be the way that she deals with and handles
this trauma. And I'm not defending anything. I absolutely I'm not.
You know, I'm not like accusing her anything because I
haven't paid close enough attention to know I've seen what
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other people are saying, but I'm not watching.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
I'm not.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
I don't have time to watch every episode of Candace,
and you you probably don't either. I don't have time
and you probably don't have time to watch everything that
I do. And that's fine too. I've I've told you that,
I've told you not to turn us off every now
and then you're going to be happier for it. But
my point is is that everybody this is grief, and
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everybody deals with it differently. One of the things that
I think may be the most shocking, that may be
the most traumatic to people, is to understand that you
don't know, you don't understand, and that evil. Well, by
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the way, this is the truth. What I'm telling you
right now is the truth. Capital te Evil is a thing.
Whether there was a big conspiracy, there was a plot
to get Charlie, or whether it was one guy who
did it and he just got lucky, that doesn't matter.
Evil is constant. That's the real conspiracy. Evil is constantly
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working behind the scenes to cause and show disorder and
chaos and all of these things into our world and
take fathers out warriors who are fighting for the cost
and made a massive impact on the twenty twenty four election,
things like that, but evil is constantly doing it. By
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the way, the it's very hard to deal with this
is that you could you and I could drive down
the road on the way home from here or wherever
you're going today, and then something horrific could happen and
you could encounter evil.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
I pray that you don't.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
I pray that you won't, and I pray that you
are protecting did and we thank God for that protection
each and every day. But that's that's because we live
in a fallen world and it's hard for people to
come to grips.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
It's hard for me. I understand this, but it's hard
for me to come to grips.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
I'm still traumatized by watching what I saw, by watching
that video and reliving it every I mean, we all are,
we've gone through this together. So I would just I'm
gonna make that point as well, but I just can't believe.
So just I did throw that out there because she
said where asking where Charlie is, So just to remind
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there's people that think he's still alive someone you know.
I don't know, but I could tell you I doubt it.
It's probably it's not probable. Is it possible, Yes, but
not very probable. It's it's possible wisdom. I think the
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beginning of it is fear of the Lord, but also
knowing eventually that you don't have all the answers.
Speaker 6 (26:02):
Can my children have one thing? Everything was public. We
will be building the most beautiful memorial for my husband
at Turning Point, USA, and it will be for the
world to see, and it will be spectacular, and it
will have a basically museum style for our Charlie from
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my Charlie. But can I have one thing? Can my
babies have one thing where we hold it sacred, where
my husband is laid to rest, where I don't have
to be worried about some secular revolutionary coming and destroying
my husband's grave. Well, my daughter is sitting there praying
one thing. This is my husband. Yes, he was Charlie
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Kirk to the world, and I know so many people
love my husband, and I am grateful for that, But
this is my husband. And I want to be able
to have one thing left that is sacred to our family,
to my in laws, to my babies, and to my parents.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
One thing.
Speaker 5 (27:01):
What are they taking from you right now?
Speaker 6 (27:03):
Nothing but I will tell you what they are doing.
It reminds me so much of Chapter six in the
Book of Nehemiah. He is building a wall, and the
townspeople are at the base of that hill, saying, Nehemiah
calling them all these names, saying all these things, come
on down. Every single time he had the same message,
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four times in a row. I cannot come down. I
am busy building. That is how I feel. I do
not have time to address the noise. My silence does
not mean that I am complacent. My silence does not
mean that somehow turning Point USA and all of the
handpicked staff that loved my husband and my husband loved
them is somehow in on it. We are busy building.
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And you know what I thought. I thought these people
are human. We are all grieving in our own way,
and they are trying to find the answer to something
that happened that was so evil. They are trying so hard,
and I get that we're doing the same. Anytime we
hear a lead, or anytime we hear anything, we send
it to the authorities. Please dig into this. No rock
(28:10):
will be unturned. I want justice from my husband, for myself,
for my family, more than anyone else. Out there. So
for me, you want to keep telling me to come
down while we're building, I don't have time for that.
But here's my breaking point on that. Come after me,
call me names, I don't care, call me what you want,
(28:31):
go down that rabbit hole, whatever. But when you go
after my family, my turning point, USA family, my Charlie
kirkshow family. When you go after the people that I love,
and you're making hundreds and thousands of dollars every single
episode going after the people that I love because somehow
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they're in on this.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
No, you know, I have to say it.
Speaker 5 (28:57):
I've never seen you like that.
Speaker 6 (28:58):
No, I'm this is righteous anger because this is not okay.
It's not healthy. This is a mind virus. Yes, I
believe in our jud jewdicial system. I do. We have
a hell of a team working on this. Excuse my French,
but this is not okay.
Speaker 5 (29:19):
So you want to put these people back in the
box where they've been creeping from.
Speaker 6 (29:24):
I don't care what box you're in, but just know
that your words are very powerful, and we are human.
My team are not machines and they're not robots. They
are human. We have more death threats on our team
and our side than I have ever seen. I have
kidnapping threats, I have you name it, we have it.
And my poor team is exhausted. And every time they
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bring this back up, what are we supposed to do
relive that trauma all over again? They watched my husband
get murdered. I have no idea how I would have
reacted if I was there that day, and think the
Good Lord that I did not have to see that happen.
But my team, they are rocked the core. So why
every single day do they have to be dragged through
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the mud, analyzed, hyper analyzed?
Speaker 5 (30:12):
You know the conspiracies that are out there all of
the like, do you think that there is more of
it now because you do shine your light? I mean,
did people just expect you would just go away?
Speaker 6 (30:25):
I don't know what they expected. I don't know what
they expected.
Speaker 5 (30:28):
They pick on you because of your accessories. I mean
I've seen some of it.
Speaker 6 (30:32):
Oh yeah no, at this point, it's what the conspiracy
collection get it before Christmas? Like, seriously, you will if
you want to find and pick me apart, go right ahead.
I do not care. I don't This was happening before
Charlie was murdered. Both of us have been through the
ringer of people will call you whatever they want to
call you.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
All right, it is possible. And I'm just going to
say this, and because I said I started this whole
thing with sharing what Tucker shared and then obviously Erica yesterday.
(31:15):
But I just as I was watching and listening to
this and and by the way, reading your comments as well,
which is really interesting to me, because we've got people
that agree with me and disagree with me every day
that listen to and stream our show and watch and
hang out here. And I appreciate glad you're all here.
I don't care whether you agree or disagree. But what's
interesting to me is how all over the road we.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
All are on this.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
I mean even folks who listen and watch this press,
so that that's a great snapshot of everyone. And it's
taking our attention and focus, I think, off of things
that I'm not saying Charlie's death and to get injustice
and the answers for all of that. I'm not saying
that's not important. What I'm saying is it's taking our
attention off of things that may be more productive. We
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have an enemy that wants nothing more than the complete
and total annihilation of us in our way of life.
A thief comes only to kill, steal, and destroying the Bibles.
This is these are all facts, okay, And we are
turning to each other like we are the enemy. And
the Bible says we wrestle not against flesh and blood.
So let's just all remember that as we look at this.
(32:29):
And I'll say this, when I see both Candace and
even Erica, I see people that are probably grieving. Now
you may have your own thoughts diametrically opposed to me
on each of these people, and very staunchly so, but
(32:53):
I see people that are probably both grieving and doing
it very differently.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
But similarly at the same time.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
I think they're both looking for significance in their grief.
I think Candace and Erica both are looking for to
make sense of something that is senseless. And this is
something that people will often do. It is a defense mechanism,
(33:23):
but it is a survival instinct. It is something that
is I think very attractive. Admirable is the word I'm
looking for.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
In us.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
When something bad happens, we're looking for how specifically the
Lord might use it for good, or how we can
build something even when something very bad happens. And I
think both Erica and Candace may be doing that now.
There may be more malice in each side. I don't know.
(34:00):
I don't know enough. I haven't watched enough. I can't
tell you what's in their heart on the Lord can.
But what I'll say is, when I watched this, because
I'm able to sort of take a step back on both,
and I think Candace maybe grieving in a portion where
she sees something's wrong, and she says, I want because
of this, I can douce, I can bring truth, I
can shine light, and so she is blinders on, wholly
(34:24):
focused on that.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
And by the way that.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
That pursuit can leave, I think the danger there is
it can it can leave a wake of of of destruction, Jessica.
Candace has never attacked Erica, she said, but she did say,
from what I understand could be wrong here, that if
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Erica asked her to stop, she would. I think it's
pretty clear at this point, so she wants her to do.
And I don't know if there's a way that I
can get, you know, maybe to shake the trees here
(35:12):
to make you understand. On the other side, Erica is
this comment Erica took on the role to see you. Yes,
that's the grief. How can I make this sensuls act
of losing my husband, the father and my children at
such a young age, at the prime of his climbing
(35:32):
this ladder, making the impact for our country, what he
was doing with the Lord was using. How can I
make sense of that? Well, one of the things I
might do is carry on his legacy or what I
believe to be what he wanted done in the mission
that he was on.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
And and maybe she.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Feels called to do that, so vice versa. I can
see both situations and scenarios. And that's all I'm asking
you to do is maybe take a step back and
try to see if you can examine things. And by
the way, not just this story. There will be another
(36:10):
ten of these between here and the next you know,
five years, maybe even election day twenty twenty eight, just
just just so you know, because I guarantee a year
from now we'll be talking about something similar but different,
(36:33):
completely different. So I thought this some food for thought,
and I try to look at things in a way
that you probably won't, and again tell you things in
a way you probably there are a lot of people
out there picking sides right now. Though I stand with
this person, I stand with that well, I stand for
(36:55):
the truth, and I just think, to me, it's heartbreaking
to see some.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Of the things happening that are happening.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
I unfortunately that's the that's the place I think we
find ourselves in right now. All right, One other thing
I'll say, I've seen a lot of comments from people saying,
what about this, and what about that? And how come
this happened? And what do you say about this fact?
(37:24):
I will say this to you just because you heard
me say it. I do my best to get things
right all the time, and I'm singing now more than ever,
I think we're not We're not always getting all the
We have access to more information, but the truth is
harder to find. So even you heard someone say it,
(37:45):
or you believe in someone you trust, even if you
believe the thing to be true, you may want to
take a step back and say, well, is this the case? Well,
what do you make about this person did that? And
what about this person who said that? Yes, how do
we know?
Speaker 1 (38:01):
How do you know?
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Where did that information come from? I told you someone
else of the microphone told you just just food for thought.
You've got to examine that, and it will be more
(38:25):
important as the days go on that you have discernment,
that you hear from the Lord, and that you lean
on him and not your own understanding as the days
move on. I interviewed a friend on the Glenn Beck
Programs less couple weeks back. Ed Rush wrote a book
(38:46):
called God Talks. Highly recommend picking it up. Please go
check it out, read through it, maybe learn how you
can hear from the Lord and how you can build
that muscle, that discernment so that we all, moving forward
in the days of heat, are able to make those
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He's a breaking news alert.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
US trade deficit drops to the lowest level since twenty
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folks said, just the News, and they've got this latest story.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Here that just broke. The numbers have just come out.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Trump in twenty sixteen to fied Republican free trade orthodoxy
by supporting the imposition of tariffs, a position he's maintained
throughout his political career, and it looks like it it
may be paying off. The story here, Like I said,
from the folks at just the News, I was just
(02:10):
just had that conm just talking about some of that
with tariffs here just moments ago, celebrating a policy victory
the Trump administration on Thursday, after reports broke the nation's
trade deficits plunged to its lowest since June twenty twenty.
In September, the figure, falling to a deficit of fifty
two billion, came in below analyst expectations of fifty nine billion.
(02:34):
According to CNBC, that figure marks a significant win for
President Trump, lives Inposedo's tariffs on nearly every nation in
the third or in the world, rather and renegotiated trade
deals with key partners in a bid to lower the
deficit even further. Remember Liberation Day. And you know what
(02:56):
is essentially that means is that when we're training with
with countries, how much goes out versus how much comes in.
And that is a big, big, big story because it
is part of his negotiation tactics and what is what's
(03:16):
really happening now. I haven't talked about this a lot,
So I'm gonna tell you I'm kinda I sort of
error on the side of where Tucker is on this.
And actually let me let me pause him and bring
him back. I'm gonna let you hear part of his statement,
part of the video that he put out regarding his
(03:39):
thoughts on Candice Owens, on Charlie's assassination and all of
the people involved. And I wanted to I want to
tell you something. There's a lot of people right now
that are cutting dry on this issue, and I understand
some of that passion. I understand some of it, but
I find myself falling into the nuance of being torn,
(04:01):
like he explains, and I just want you to hear
what he said. It's been the thing that's resonated with
me the.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Most in the three months since Charlie Kirk was murdered.
I've really tried not to comment on the murder investigation
in public. And it's not because I don't care. Of course,
I love Charlie and I knew him well since he
was a teenager. But I haven't said anything about it.
I really tried not to say anything about it first
because I don't really know anything that everyone else doesn't know.
(04:31):
I've asked around, but of course, how do you know
what the truth is. But the other reason I haven't
said anything is because I know personally a number of
the people involved in what's now become a very large story.
I know them really well, and I really think a
lot of all of them on every side.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Candice Owans, I've known a long time.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
I love Candis Owans, Blake nef At TPUSA once worked
for me at a couple of different places. And I
love Blake nef Erica Kirk, I've known since she was
dating Charlie Kirk, and I love Erica Kirk, and I
think these are all really, really decent people. And so
it's been my desire for three months not to get
involved in any of this, and in general to think
(05:13):
to myself, anybody who is earnestly searching for the truth,
whether they're right or wrong, but as long as they're
motivated by a desire to find out what happened and
therefore honor Charlie's memory by getting to justice, anyone who's
doing that, I'm not going to criticize again, no matter
what track they're on. Lots of us, and this has
certainly happened to me have good moments, but good motives,
(05:36):
but wind up in the wrong place.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
But it's just since here that definitely happens.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
I have done that what he's saying, and this is
kind of this is kind of where I've landed on
some of this stuff. So I, like I said, I
haven't talked about it largely because I don't think I
first of all, this whole idea that you have to
speak out about everything.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Is it's just insane.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
First of all, I think that wisdom a lot of
times would counsel us to take our time when making
decisions on things, would counsel us to take our time
to get all the answers. Now that that very same,
that very same wisdom that tells me to stand back
(06:27):
and take some time, you might apply to somebody like
Candae and say, well, like, wouldn't it be wise for
her to take a step back and take some time
maybe allow some of these things to play out. I
don't know everything that she knows. I don't know everything
that she's seen and the story that's being painted for
(06:53):
her and when she's painting. But at the same time,
I just tend to wait until I have more before
I go now this. I'll give you a per example.
I have lots of rumors in Innu Indo and behind
the scenes this, that and the other thing that I've
heard and seen in YadA YadA YadA about what happened
(07:15):
to the coach of the of the Michigan Wolverine football team.
The lots that I have not said and I won't
say until it's being authenticated, verified and reported. A little
more widely, and I need to do some verification on
my own right oftentimes online for either you know, I mean,
(07:40):
it could be it could be well intended purposes. We
want to get to the trenth, We want to get it,
to get it out there as quick becaus we can't.
Or it could be for reasons we don't even realize,
you know, that we're being sort of pushed for clicks
or views or significance on side, I don't It could
(08:02):
be any one of those, or it could be more malicious.
I can't make that judgment because I can't see what's
in anybody's heart. All I can say is I'm watching
things happen right now, and there is a massive rift.
(08:27):
This does not seem to me unintentional. Whether the people
that are in the middle of it realize that or not,
but there's a massive rift and the people that were
so united not long ago. So I think that's something
that needs to be.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Weighed.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Look at the fruit of where we are, what's going on,
and what's really.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Happening right now take into consideration.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
But at the same time, I haven't, like I said,
I haven't fully weighed in here because I don't know
all the facts.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
I really haven't followed.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Lots of people are following this like it's a soap opera,
waiting for the next you know, clue to drop or something,
and I just haven't done that, and so I can't.
Also don't feel like I'm qualified to, you know, comment
on things that I don't know.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
All the details about. So you know, that's that's part
of of my thought.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Process on it, and I think part of a part
of the thought process for for Tucker too. But listen,
I just, like I said, there's a little bit more
to this that he and I thought.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
This what he said.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
I don't agree with him on everything. I don't agree
with anybody on everything all the time anyway, but this,
what he's saying here, to me, is closest to the
way I have approached this, not exactly for the same
reasons that he has, but in his you know, in
(10:14):
his own words, he said, because he knows these people,
he knows them all. And I found myself in very
similar positions in situations where I've known people involved in
things and I just I watch it happen every day,
in fact, where I know people and I like these
people and they're at odds with each other on things,
and I go, wow, this is this is something so.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
I've just wanted to stay out. And then the other
day I had like a three hour conversation with THEO
Vaughn and it was not about Charlie Kirk or anything
related to it, but that topic came up and I said,
in effect, you know, I don't trust the FBI, and
that gave some people the impression that I was accusing
(10:57):
them of being involved in Charlie's assassination, and of course
I wasn't, and I certainly didn't mean to. But it
gives me the chance now to say what I think,
which is that we should not necessarily trust the FBI.
And by the way, why would we. It's not an
attack on the political leadership of it. I known Dan Bongino,
(11:17):
for example, for a long time, and like Dan and
don't imagine he would ever be involved in intentionally covering
up a murder of somebody.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
I don't believe that.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
But Dan Bongino and Cash Mattel for that matter, are
at the top of the org chart. But this is
a huge organization and parts of it act independently from leadership.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
That's the nature of bureaucracy.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
So saying well, I like Dan Bungino and don't think
he would do something wrong on purpose, which is how
I feel, doesn't mean that I trust the FBI or
have to trust the FBI, And again, why would I.
If there's one lesson of the last election, the twenty
twenty four election, it's that a lot of our biggest systems,
our biggest institutions, have rot in them and that.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
Needs to be reformed.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
And as if we needed more proof of it, we've
learned what a lot of us suspected for years, that
January sixth was in effect a setup, and the FBI
was key to that setup. And it's still not clear
that everyone involved in that setup the FBI has been
fired or punished for that. So no person, no American,
(12:24):
is under some moral obligation to believe everything the government
tells you, particularly institutions or agencies that have a long documented,
factually documented track record of committing crimes, participating illegally in
our political system, for example, as the FBI has done,
manufacturing crimes, setting people up, distorting justice at the opposite
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of their job, of course, which is to get to
justice through facts and then to tell the rest of
us how they arrived at this conclusion to prove to
the rest of us that the right people are being punished.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
So we're not under any obligation.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Of course, we shouldn't invent theories to discredit the FBI.
But it's not enough to have government officials tell us, well,
this is the truth. We have a right, probably an obligation,
to say, well, can you prove it? And if you can't,
I don't have to believe you. So there's one thing
that bothers me above all about the investigation to Charlie
(13:25):
Kirk is that that is getting lost as people argue
over what happened. We are potentially letting our largest federal
law enforcement agency off the hook. It is the job
of the FBI to find out what happened and to
tell the rest of us, not hide behind well it's
(13:47):
national security confidential sources. No tell us what happened, Show
us what happened, convince us what happened.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
That's your job, and we shouldn't accept anything less. And
by the way, when.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
We do accept something less, then you know, new explanations
fill the vacuum left by the FBI, which we pay.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
To explain to us.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
What happened, And so I'm going to really do my
best not to talk about things I don't understand, state
things as though I know them when I don't know them.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
I'm going to do my.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Best to stay out of it because I love Charlie
and I want justice to be done in this case.
But the rest of us should remain skeptical. We have
a duty to remain skeptical, and we should not be
ashamed of our skepticism.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
Thanks.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Unfortunately, that's that's where we are these days, is uh,
I don't we don't have it.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
It's not I wouldn't put it like Tucker puts his
way of a duty to be skeptical. But unfortunately, how
can you blame anyone for everything? Everything we've seen? H
And by the way, I think, I think, unfortunately that's
some of the intention on the things that we have
(15:05):
witnessed over the last gosh that really ever since the
Vietnam War, I mean, I think the country has been
opening its eyes in a large part, maybe a lot
of us in society, opening our eyes to what what.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Is happening and what has happened.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Okay, So while Tucker says what I think resonates with
me probably the most. I haven't really put all this
in words because I never really felt compelled to. I've
kind of stayed out of this, and again I have
I'm just gonna and I wish I could give this
to you. I wish I could give it to everyone.
(15:48):
I have an ability and maybe it's just a grace,
maybe it's a gift from the Lord. I don't know
what it means. Something has learned, but I have an
ability to take us step back from the situation and
examine all the possibilities without marrying any one of them.
(16:09):
I look at them all. I've told you this before.
But I will take something. I'll look at it an idea,
a thought, a piece of evidence, something someone said, a narrative,
whatever it might be, and I'll take it and I'll
just kind of like pull it out.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Of the air, right and I just kind of look
at it and I go, oh, that's interesting. I'll flip
it around. I'll kind of, you know, just examine it
in my head.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Then i'll take it and I'll go okay, and then
i'll put it back up on the shelf and I
sort of compartmentalized. Then I'll take another way said like
an opposing idea or thought or or narrative or piece
of information. I said, Oh that's interesting, Okay, examine it,
put it back up on the shelf. I think that's
(16:53):
the healthiest way to do it. That's my personal opinion.
What I see right now, Yeah, I would call that discernment.
But but what I see right now is too many
people getting way too involved into attached and there is
a tribalism thing happening.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
In some ways. And I think we're defending things that.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
When I say we, I've said to I'm talking about
us people in general, like we're defending things that shouldn't.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
There should be a little bit less of.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
A uh calling to war mentality kind of on some
of this stuff. I would just give you an example,
like I'm team Candae or I'm Team Turning Point, or
I'm Team Erica or I'm team.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
It took her great example.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
See, like you just heard me say, I really resonate
closest with what Tucker said. That doesn't mean that I
agree with everything, and I'm not team Tucker. I'm not
going to defend everything Tucker says because that's not my job.
My job isn't to defend Tucker and if you're watching
any of this, your job isn't to defend Candice.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
It's not to defend even Erica, who many are watching.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
In fact, I get the video here in just a
moment of what she said yesterday, and I found very
compelling as well. What we need to defend is getting
to the truth. We need to defend the truth, but
we also need.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
To defend the truth.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
And unfortunately what happens is we are pulled along far
too often by our own and this is our just
it's just our sense of how we make sense of
the world. But like it's almost like a defense mechanism,
something that's built into us. Here's the narrative, I believe,
(19:02):
and so I'm going to defend that to any because
the alternatives is I don't know. And if I don't know,
that's a lot more scary.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
See.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
I've gotten to the point where it's fine, I don't know.
You know why, because I'm not putting my safety, my security,
I'm not putting all my hope. I'm not putting worship
into me knowing something or having all the knowledge of something.
I sort of I sort of, you know, I had Canda,
the tinfoil hats and we talked about any new conspiracy
(19:31):
theories because mind come all true and all that, and
some of that was tongue in cheek to make fun
of the people who made who who who would downgrade
people for having, you know, questioned or ask questions about things,
And certainly I believe there's a way to do that
as well. So I'm not saying that you shouldn't, but
(19:53):
there is a point where we put that higher than
the truth. We're just you know, we put that you
know that we know thing and that if you look
in the Bible, that has to do with I think
a spirit of divination and wanting to know, like secrets,
and there are things that I think that pull us
off of maybe where we should be. See I'm gonna
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give you an example at this comment, Candas is a
grifter and a narcissist who has been fired from or
cause trouble at all her jobs and schools.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
I can't make that statement.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
I can see how you might feel that way, but
I can also see how people who say, I'm I
support Candace's right to ask questions and I feel like
she's the only one to ask a quo.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
I don't think that's true. I think there are a
lot of people asking questions.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
I just think she's very vocal about it, so I'm
not I've seen people that I respect on both sides
of this. Timpole came out the other day and really
ripped in the and I said, she came back and
ripped them to him.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
By the way, none of this is helping us.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
There are people that want to destroy this country, and
we're fighting with each other. And it's not just like
the talking heads or the people that have podcaster shows
or anything like that. It's the people that watch and
listen and follow them as well. But it's that it's
also happening inside like state parties and county party It's
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happening everywhere right now because we were so united with
one cause and one purpose and now we're being scattered
like the wind.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
And my question is do you ever think about why? Interesting?
Speaker 2 (21:50):
So here is a little bit of she was on
Fox News yesterday, Erica Kirk, Charlie's widow, and the commentary.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
She made and when she was asked about.
Speaker 5 (22:01):
This, the perspective of a grieving widow, a mom, and
a battle tested American. Good to see you again today,
talk to me about this? Part of the conspiracies that
are out there, this disturbing part that people are trying
to guess where Charlie is.
Speaker 6 (22:19):
Can I have one thing? Can I have one thing?
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Here's the here's here's here's the thing. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
That's such a strange question. I've got to back it
down a little bit. But like, guess where Charlie is. Yeah,
I mean there's a whole other piece of this that
people but believe that he's not, like he's not really dead,
that he's actually somewhere else right now, that he faked
his own death. I understand why people think this way,
and I think to better paint his pictures because they're
(22:52):
so hurt, they're so traumatized by what happened. That's where
a lot of this comes from, by the way, So
even like somebody like Candace, you may feel like he's
he's not being respectful and she's being a griptor. This
may be the way that she deals with and handles
this trauma. And I'm not defending anything. I absolutely I'm not.
You know, I'm not like accusing her anything because I
haven't paid close enough attention to know I've seen what
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other people are saying, but I'm not watching.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
I'm not.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
I don't have time to watch every episode of Candace,
and you you probably don't either. I don't have time
and you probably don't have time to watch everything that
I do. And that's fine too. I've I've told you that,
I've told you not to turn us off every now
and then you're going to be happier for it. But
my point is is that everybody this is grief, and
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everybody deals with it differently. One of the things that
I think may be the most shocking, that may be
the most traumatic to people, is to understand that you
don't know, you don't understand, and that evil. Well, by
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the way, this is the truth. What I'm telling you
right now is the truth. Capital te Evil is a thing.
Whether there was a big conspiracy, there was a plot
to get Charlie, or whether it was one guy who
did it and he just got lucky, that doesn't matter.
Evil is constant. That's the real conspiracy. Evil is constantly
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working behind the scenes to cause and show disorder and
chaos and all of these things into our world and
take fathers out warriors who are fighting for the cost
and made a massive impact on the twenty twenty four election,
things like that, but evil is constantly doing it. By
(24:42):
the way, the it's very hard to deal with this
is that you could you and I could drive down
the road on the way home from here or wherever
you're going today, and then something horrific could happen and
you could encounter evil.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
I pray that you don't.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
I pray that you won't, and I pray that you
are protecting did and we thank God for that protection
each and every day. But that's that's because we live
in a fallen world and it's hard for people to
come to grips.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
It's hard for me. I understand this, but it's hard
for me to come to grips.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
I'm still traumatized by watching what I saw, by watching
that video and reliving it every I mean, we all are,
we've gone through this together. So I would just I'm
gonna make that point as well, but I just can't believe.
So just I did throw that out there because she
said where asking where Charlie is, So just to remind
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there's people that think he's still alive someone you know.
I don't know, but I could tell you I doubt it.
It's probably it's not probable. Is it possible, Yes, but
not very probable. It's it's possible wisdom. I think the
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beginning of it is fear of the Lord, but also
knowing eventually that you don't have all the answers.
Speaker 6 (26:02):
Can my children have one thing? Everything was public. We
will be building the most beautiful memorial for my husband
at Turning Point, USA, and it will be for the
world to see, and it will be spectacular, and it
will have a basically museum style for our Charlie from
(26:22):
my Charlie. But can I have one thing? Can my
babies have one thing where we hold it sacred, where
my husband is laid to rest, where I don't have
to be worried about some secular revolutionary coming and destroying
my husband's grave. Well, my daughter is sitting there praying
one thing. This is my husband. Yes, he was Charlie
(26:44):
Kirk to the world, and I know so many people
love my husband, and I am grateful for that, But
this is my husband. And I want to be able
to have one thing left that is sacred to our family,
to my in laws, to my babies, and to my parents.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
One thing.
Speaker 5 (27:01):
What are they taking from you right now?
Speaker 6 (27:03):
Nothing but I will tell you what they are doing.
It reminds me so much of Chapter six in the
Book of Nehemiah. He is building a wall, and the
townspeople are at the base of that hill, saying, Nehemiah
calling them all these names, saying all these things, come
on down. Every single time he had the same message,
(27:27):
four times in a row. I cannot come down. I
am busy building. That is how I feel. I do
not have time to address the noise. My silence does
not mean that I am complacent. My silence does not
mean that somehow turning Point USA and all of the
handpicked staff that loved my husband and my husband loved
them is somehow in on it. We are busy building.
(27:49):
And you know what I thought. I thought these people
are human. We are all grieving in our own way,
and they are trying to find the answer to something
that happened that was so evil. They are trying so hard,
and I get that we're doing the same. Anytime we
hear a lead, or anytime we hear anything, we send
it to the authorities. Please dig into this. No rock
(28:10):
will be unturned. I want justice from my husband, for myself,
for my family, more than anyone else. Out there. So
for me, you want to keep telling me to come
down while we're building, I don't have time for that.
But here's my breaking point on that. Come after me,
call me names, I don't care, call me what you want,
(28:31):
go down that rabbit hole, whatever. But when you go
after my family, my turning point, USA family, my Charlie
kirkshow family. When you go after the people that I love,
and you're making hundreds and thousands of dollars every single
episode going after the people that I love because somehow
(28:52):
they're in on this.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
No, you know, I have to say it.
Speaker 5 (28:57):
I've never seen you like that.
Speaker 6 (28:58):
No, I'm this is righteous anger because this is not okay.
It's not healthy. This is a mind virus. Yes, I
believe in our jud jewdicial system. I do. We have
a hell of a team working on this. Excuse my French,
but this is not okay.
Speaker 5 (29:19):
So you want to put these people back in the
box where they've been creeping from.
Speaker 6 (29:24):
I don't care what box you're in, but just know
that your words are very powerful, and we are human.
My team are not machines and they're not robots. They
are human. We have more death threats on our team
and our side than I have ever seen. I have
kidnapping threats, I have you name it, we have it.
And my poor team is exhausted. And every time they
(29:47):
bring this back up, what are we supposed to do
relive that trauma all over again? They watched my husband
get murdered. I have no idea how I would have
reacted if I was there that day, and think the
Good Lord that I did not have to see that happen.
But my team, they are rocked the core. So why
every single day do they have to be dragged through
(30:08):
the mud, analyzed, hyper analyzed?
Speaker 5 (30:12):
You know the conspiracies that are out there all of
the like, do you think that there is more of
it now because you do shine your light? I mean,
did people just expect you would just go away?
Speaker 6 (30:25):
I don't know what they expected. I don't know what
they expected.
Speaker 5 (30:28):
They pick on you because of your accessories. I mean
I've seen some of it.
Speaker 6 (30:32):
Oh yeah no, at this point, it's what the conspiracy
collection get it before Christmas? Like, seriously, you will if
you want to find and pick me apart, go right ahead.
I do not care. I don't This was happening before
Charlie was murdered. Both of us have been through the
ringer of people will call you whatever they want to
call you.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
All right, it is possible. And I'm just going to
say this, and because I said I started this whole
thing with sharing what Tucker shared and then obviously Erica yesterday.
(31:15):
But I just as I was watching and listening to
this and and by the way, reading your comments as well,
which is really interesting to me, because we've got people
that agree with me and disagree with me every day
that listen to and stream our show and watch and
hang out here. And I appreciate glad you're all here.
I don't care whether you agree or disagree. But what's
interesting to me is how all over the road we.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
All are on this.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
I mean even folks who listen and watch this press,
so that that's a great snapshot of everyone. And it's
taking our attention and focus, I think, off of things
that I'm not saying Charlie's death and to get injustice
and the answers for all of that. I'm not saying
that's not important. What I'm saying is it's taking our
attention off of things that may be more productive. We
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have an enemy that wants nothing more than the complete
and total annihilation of us in our way of life.
A thief comes only to kill, steal, and destroying the Bibles.
This is these are all facts, okay, And we are
turning to each other like we are the enemy. And
the Bible says we wrestle not against flesh and blood.
So let's just all remember that as we look at this.
(32:29):
And I'll say this, when I see both Candace and
even Erica, I see people that are probably grieving. Now
you may have your own thoughts diametrically opposed to me
on each of these people, and very staunchly so, but
(32:53):
I see people that are probably both grieving and doing
it very differently.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
But similarly at the same time.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
I think they're both looking for significance in their grief.
I think Candace and Erica both are looking for to
make sense of something that is senseless. And this is
something that people will often do. It is a defense mechanism,
(33:23):
but it is a survival instinct. It is something that
is I think very attractive. Admirable is the word I'm
looking for.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
In us.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
When something bad happens, we're looking for how specifically the
Lord might use it for good, or how we can
build something even when something very bad happens. And I
think both Erica and Candace may be doing that now.
There may be more malice in each side. I don't know.
(34:00):
I don't know enough. I haven't watched enough. I can't
tell you what's in their heart on the Lord can.
But what I'll say is, when I watched this, because
I'm able to sort of take a step back on both,
and I think Candace maybe grieving in a portion where
she sees something's wrong, and she says, I want because
of this, I can douce, I can bring truth, I
can shine light, and so she is blinders on, wholly
(34:24):
focused on that.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
And by the way that.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
That pursuit can leave, I think the danger there is
it can it can leave a wake of of of destruction, Jessica.
Candace has never attacked Erica, she said, but she did say,
from what I understand could be wrong here, that if
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Erica asked her to stop, she would. I think it's
pretty clear at this point, so she wants her to do.
And I don't know if there's a way that I
can get, you know, maybe to shake the trees here
(35:12):
to make you understand. On the other side, Erica is
this comment Erica took on the role to see you. Yes,
that's the grief. How can I make this sensuls act
of losing my husband, the father and my children at
such a young age, at the prime of his climbing
(35:32):
this ladder, making the impact for our country, what he
was doing with the Lord was using. How can I
make sense of that? Well, one of the things I
might do is carry on his legacy or what I
believe to be what he wanted done in the mission
that he was on.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
And and maybe she.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Feels called to do that, so vice versa. I can
see both situations and scenarios. And that's all I'm asking
you to do is maybe take a step back and
try to see if you can examine things. And by
the way, not just this story. There will be another
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ten of these between here and the next you know,
five years, maybe even election day twenty twenty eight, just
just just so you know, because I guarantee a year
from now we'll be talking about something similar but different,
(36:33):
completely different. So I thought this some food for thought,
and I try to look at things in a way
that you probably won't, and again tell you things in
a way you probably there are a lot of people
out there picking sides right now. Though I stand with
this person, I stand with that well, I stand for
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the truth, and I just think, to me, it's heartbreaking
to see some.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Of the things happening that are happening.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
I unfortunately that's the that's the place I think we
find ourselves in right now. All right, One other thing
I'll say, I've seen a lot of comments from people saying,
what about this, and what about that? And how come
this happened? And what do you say about this fact?
(37:24):
I will say this to you just because you heard
me say it. I do my best to get things
right all the time, and I'm singing now more than ever,
I think we're not We're not always getting all the
We have access to more information, but the truth is
harder to find. So even you heard someone say it,
(37:45):
or you believe in someone you trust, even if you
believe the thing to be true, you may want to
take a step back and say, well, is this the case? Well,
what do you make about this person did that? And
what about this person who said that? Yes, how do
we know?
Speaker 1 (38:01):
How do you know?
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Where did that information come from? I told you someone
else of the microphone told you just just food for thought.
You've got to examine that, and it will be more
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important as the days go on that you have discernment,
that you hear from the Lord, and that you lean
on him and not your own understanding as the days
move on. I interviewed a friend on the Glenn Beck
Programs less couple weeks back. Ed Rush wrote a book
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called God Talks. Highly recommend picking it up. Please go
check it out, read through it, maybe learn how you
can hear from the Lord and how you can build
that muscle, that discernment so that we all, moving forward
in the days of heat, are able to make those
wise decisions. All right, that being said, we appreciate you
(39:12):
being here. We had a great conversation with Maha Missi
yesterday about what's happening in the science of making America
healthy again, and particularly in the cells. We talked energy
trenks and much more in the latest podcast episode it's
up right now. You can go download it wherever you
get the podcast, and of course look her up to
(39:32):
Maha Missy update healthwithjsin dot com to find out how
you can join me in January when I take place
in the next phase of my Maha Revolution.
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