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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You know I've been following this story. I'll tell you
I've been following this story, but just very loosely. I'm
aware of it. I know folks in this audience have
really been following it, but nobody following this story like
our guest today. In fact, we got big recognize. We're
going to talk to her about the Karen Reid trial,
(00:23):
the VERD that came in. She's been vindicated, what happened
during the trial, the truth behind all of this, and
big news around East Palestine and announced what that happened,
Yester Kristin Megan Kelly was there boots on the ground
for it all in the beginning, And of course we'll
get her reaction to some of that coming up as
well on our podcast this weekend. But Christen, welcome in.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Well, thanks for having me. I kind of felt like
I've been cheating on you. I've missed the morning show
because I've been following the Karen.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
That's true and how dare you? But we kind of
forget because you are actually going to help us now
by bringing us up to speed. So tell us who
was Karen Reid? What happened with her? This story kind
of has been a few years in the making. She
had a trial a file, remember correctly in the beginning,
and this was kind of a retrial, wasn't it.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Yeah. So Karen Reid was a woman, she's forty five
years old, and she was dating a police officer, John O'Keefe.
They had met, you know, fifteen years prior. We kindled
the relationship, and she was a financial analyst and an
adjunct professor. Never had any trouble with the law, And
there was an original trial. And I don't know if
(01:32):
you want me to kind of condense the background of
how this happened, but if you understand, we have to
first go back to the history of corruption around the
Canton PD and the Boston PD, and a lot of
people may not know. I've been working in police accountability
for like fifteen years to bridge the gap between the
candunal wrong and always do wrong, to just say that
we need fair due process and transparency and full accountability,
(01:57):
and that your badge does not grant you extra protection.
If you do wrong, you shall be hell accountable. If
you didn't, you shall also be provided the same fairness
in a trial. But what happened with the situation is
if anyone's familiar with the case that will be coming up.
The Sandra Birchmore case was a story of a woman
thirteen years old was groomed by the officer doing the
(02:17):
junior officer training program. I will spare the details due
to where this is airing, but it became a sexual
relationship in her early twenties. I think she was twenty
two or twenty three. They deemed her death she was
found dead in her apartment a suicide. However, this was
a major cover up because the FEDS came in and
(02:39):
determined it was not a suicide due to the type
of bone in her neck. She was murdered. And then
you get the footage of that officer, Matthew Farwell or Fallwell,
coming in and yes he's going to stand trial now,
But why that's important to the Karen retrial. The same DA,
the same prosecutor, the same detectives, the same IT detectives
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in the can't in Boston PD all were part of
the Sandra Burchmore case and all played a role in
covering up a murder into a suicide. So I have
been following true crime for years and Karen Reid was accused.
The backstory basically is you had all these people that
know each other. They're all part of the cant PD,
the Boston PD. One gentleman is an ETF agent, but
(03:19):
it is stationed in Canton PD. They all went out
one night into a bar. There was jealousy that ensued
with one of the officers who had to think for
Karen Reid, and all of a sudden, they get invited
to this party at the house of a man named
Brian Albert who was a Canton Police officer. Well, long
story short, she's not sure if she's fully invited. John O'Keeffe,
(03:43):
according to Karen, goes inside of the home and she's waiting,
thinking she's waiting for the okay of like I can
come in. Never gets a text. She calls him, doesn't answer.
She's waiting. She's really upset at this point, and she
decides she also has a medical issue where when she's
got to go to the restroom, she's got to go
to the restroom. She has crones and a couple other issues.
So she was having those flare ups at for medical
(04:03):
issues and she said, I'm going home. I don't feel
well well. She went home and when she woke up
around four thirty in the morning, she realized John O'Keefe
was still not home. And what's important is he had
adopted his sister's kids. Kiss His sister and her husband
were also lost their lives, one to cancer and went
to a medical issue, so he was raising their children.
(04:25):
So it was weird for him to not come home
to these children. So she gets out and she goes
to drive around with some friends that she called to
look for him, and they find him on the lawn
in front of police officer Brian Albert Thome at thirty
four Fairview and the commonwealths Basically narrative is that Karen
Reid got mad, decided to drive forward and go and
reverse in the middle of a blizzard at twenty four
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miles an hour and hit him. What brought my eyes
this attention was a journalists named Turtle Boy. His name's
Aiden Carney, was covering this and when you saw the
wounds to John O'Keefe, he had a huge laceration on
the back of his head, his right arm, he had
what was very obviously animal scratches and btes. So that's
when I started following this trial, and you know, I'll
(05:08):
stop with taking over here, but I just want to
give you the background of what happened. But this trial
was so incredibly biased and fraudulent. This is why I
was promoting more people to pay attention to this case.
Because as the jury decided she was free and this
cover up. I think the FBI might come back in
and investigate this.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
That's fascinating. What what do you think? Yeah, because if
she is free, then like the the real answer is
out there. You mentioned animal wounds? Was he murdered? Was
there another What's what's your thought about what happened to him? Like,
was there some other you know, possibility of some some
(05:52):
sort of animal attack or something else that took place here?
I mean, what what do you think it was?
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Well, what I'll share is facts from the defense case
in chief. This is not my opinion. The facts were
the Homers had a dog named Chloe, a German shepherd
who was known to attack people. She didn't know. She
was very violent, had a violent history. So they did
have a dog named Chloe. What went wrong here is
that if you find a police officer or any private
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citizen on the front lawn of somebody's house justin would
you knock on their door, would you maybe go in
there and see if there's a bigger crime and there's
other people deceased in the home. Don't you think that's
something plausible? Because that was not done. The lead investigator,
his name is Trooper Michael Proctor, never went into the home,
never interviewed the homeowners till some time later and via
(06:38):
private text miasers with his friends. He told them because
he's a police officer, basically he's not a sub suspect.
Even though Brian Albert, the homeowner, had a history around
town of getting intoxicated and punching people in the bar.
In fact, I met people on my cruise over spring break.
I heard their boss and accent and immediately had to
ask them and they were like, yes, actually Ian Elbert
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assaulted my cousin punched him in a bar. So the
facts of this case were the injury to John o'keeff's
head was a loss of three liders of blood. Yet
a week and a half later, in the snow, they
found drops of blood using a leaf blower and guess
how they collected the blood in red solo cups and
then put it in what's called a shopp and go
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bag like a little paper bag. From Meyer, the chain
of custody was broken. The clothing of John O'Keeffe sat
in the back of Trooper Proctor's car for months. The
whole theory of the Commonwealth was so comical that the
death of John O'Keeffe is not funny. But you cannot
make this up. It was the biggest circus and one
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thing that is I think the huge smoking gun. People
have asked me, what was your original reasonable about Well,
I could give you a million, but the number one
thing is the homeowner Brian Albert and that ATF agent
that had a crush on Karen Reid and was jealous
of John, Brian Higgins. The both of them were tipped
off that their phones were going to be seized. Brian
Elbert went and traded his in Higgins. The ATF agent
(08:04):
took his SIM card and his phone, broke them, put
them in two different trash bags and dumped them on
a military base. What nothing to see here?
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Wow, this is just incredible, So no wonder it's been
such a massive case, drawing people into it like you.
It's just so much mystery, but obvious that where there's smoke,
there's fire. There's something that's going on here, something that
you just you can't explain.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Yeah, And what was really shocking is, I want to
tell you the first trial, a lot of people that
don't know. So much more came out in the first trial.
The common the case in chief, the defense was that
she was framed. And there was so much evidence and
so much stuff came out this trial that I wish
could have been about the first trial, because you see
that Brian Higgins actually go basically, I'm going to save
(08:56):
you the long thing. But there's evidence that John died
in that house and they put his phone in a
Fara day bag, which block signaled because of the data
that they pulled from the phone showed him going up
three flights of stairs in the home and then stops,
nothing happened. And then when they found his phone, all
these messages came in fifty seven phone calls from Karen Reid.
If she killed him, why would she be calling him
(09:17):
yelling at him saying are you cheating on me? Why
aren't you answering? But there's so much reasonable doubt, but
it's not even reasonable doubt how they used a defense.
Angle of the investigation was flawed, and no one else
was a suspect and it's because again they were protected
because they cover up for thy brother in Massachusetts. It's
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very corrupt. But let me talk about the last trial
real quick. Is that the jury was hung, but they
weren't hung so much on did she kill him? Jurors
came forward. This verdict form was so confusing to where
the jury did not understand what they were doing. They
all agreed it was not murdered. She didn't intentionally murder him.
They all agreed on that, but they were hung on
(10:01):
the like manslaughter, did she do it in voluntary? Like
did she actually hit him? She didn't know. There was
like three jurors that thought that was possible. The rest
were not guilty. So it was a hung jury. But
the jury was never pulled. Most of the time they
will ask, and there's precedents in this, well, were you
agreeing on these upper charges? So she should never have
been retried for the second degree in the manslaughter, But
(10:23):
she did agree admit in a documentary that she did,
you know, drink and probably shouldn't have drove. But friends
nearby her said they couldn't even tell if she was buzzed.
So she did get found guilty on operating under the influence,
but she was not found guilty, and every medical examiner,
even on the Commonwealth side, could not say he was
hit by a car. That's pretty bad that the Commonwealth's
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medical examiner actually was a better witness for the defense.
And the last thing I want to say of the
most red flag was there was a police officer. Kelly
Dever was the most rude, unprofessional expert or witness I've
ever seen in a trial. She changed her store. She
told the FBI that she had seen this trooper and
another trooper at an wildly uncomfortable long time in the
(11:06):
sally Port when they had possession of Karen Reid's taillight.
Why is that important because earlier, when her vehicle was
told from her parents' house, that officer test to fight
upheld asult and said that tailight was barely cracked when
it got towed, yet somehow it was shattered into forty
seven pieces. So you connect the dots. Trooper Proctor looks
like he bashed a tail and then planted it, because
(11:26):
they found forty seven pieces of tail eight two weeks later.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Yeah, I wanted to ask you about that because you know,
one of the things that you mentioned about this case
is like how much the online sleuthing sort of played
a role in this where people were online digging into
this story and looking at things online what they found,
and I remember specifically seeing things about that tail light.
(11:54):
Was there video that was discovered by some of the
folks online that noticed that the tail light was in
tacked at one point and then later on that that
sort of played out into this this and did it
did the defense through that online sleuthing? Were they able
to use some of that in the trial? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Actually, Karen Reid's attorneys this time were pro bono and
they had several interns that were doing their work for free,
and there was people that were like it sluice on
the internet, people reviewing data and they found that there's
a scene where she's pulling out later and they studied
that actual lexus and that lexus you have to break
a certain internal component of the tail light for the
(12:38):
light not to work. And if you look at the footage,
it's if the red casing was missing, the brake lights
wouldn't have been read on both sides. And the defense
stuff's coming out now that the trial's over. Yes, they
were combing TikTok an X finding data that they used
in their arguments undirect and cross But these experts, they
were called the crash daddies because they were quite handsome
(13:00):
from ARCA. Their accident reconstruction is that work for the
government as a client the military. They absolutely Rudolph ruled
out that John O'Keefe absolutely was not hit by a
vehicle and his injuries were not consistent and he would
have had a broken arm. The level of corruption, there's
a huge film going to be made about this. It's
already in the works, first of an honest documentary and
(13:21):
then they're going to film after the first year. I
think that when people see this they will now understand why.
I tell you it is the most corrupt workcase I
have seen in my lifetime. So I was actually really
shocked why so many of the anti Karen Reid crowd
were actually right wing and we're trying to they did.
They doxed me on the internet because I was for
free crank Karen Reid. I can tell you justin between
(13:44):
all my strange views throughout the years and fighting for
the mandates and all the things, I have never been
had more hate speech and threats thrown at me than
being a supporter behind Karen Reid and getting the truth out.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Wow, why do you think that is?
Speaker 2 (13:57):
I think that there's a blind allegiance to police and
that sometimes people again remove your emotions. I'm not anti police,
but if you think they can do no wrong, there's
a problem there. Sandra Burgmore case again, same police department.
So we have a problem within this police department. And
how you gain trust in the communities, especially minority communities
who are more afraid of policing. You have to have
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accountability and at a minimum, there should have been an
investigation and all the people involved were not interviewed separately
or were interviewed together. When you are doing an investigation,
I do cause investigations for injury and illnesses. I even
have to interview employees separately to see if the story
is the same. If there was eyewitnesses, No, they interviewed,
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gave them time to get their story correctly. And the
biggest smoking gun was that one of the women involved
in this googled at two twenty seven am a typo
has long to dyeing cold. He was not found until
about five thirty in the morning, and luckily the homeowners.
Oh this is one other thing justin just for people
(15:01):
to understand this house where John O'Keefe was found dead
in front of the lawn, that house was a family
home for generations. For the Alberts. They replaced the flooring
in the basement and they sold the home for fifty
thousand dollars under asking. But the homeowners that bought it
didn't have this death disclosed to them and they are
(15:24):
super can reed supporters. So let private investigators come into
the home and take pictures. There are very suspect stains
in the garage and if you looked at the medical examiner,
doctor Lapizato, she said he had to have fallen on
a ridge and granular. If you look, there's like a
crack in the rag with like an uneven surface. That's
(15:47):
what I'm saying. There's so much reasonalled out, but there's
so much evidence to prosecute these people. And it's just
insane to me because this could be any one of us.
I mean, this is going to make people scared to
date people in law enforcement. But we have to have
accountability because no person all of a sudden is on
high moral ground just because of their profession. There's horrific
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people in my profession and probably yours too, Justin and
I just think that we have to remove this blind
allegiance to a profession because bad people can be in
professions that are designed to protect we the people. In
this case, we need an overhaul and FBI second investigation
into this case, no.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Doubt about it. I'm sure that will come as this
continues to be something that people are going to be
talking about. Yeah, I look, I think you know, I
just want the truth, and obviously you just want justice
to happen. You don't see anybody get railroaded in a
situation like this. And I can see why the thing
was so popular. Again, it's just one of those things
(16:48):
that you and I talked. I saw you talked about
it so much, and then I it just wasn't something
that I've been able to really put my focus on
because of everything else in the world that's happening.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Yeah, world War three, a framed civilian.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
But I but I also understand maybe the the you know,
the the poll to focus on this because it maybe
you're not thinking about World War three, which is also
kind of understandable on both sides. So let's talk about this.
You know, she's she's acquitted. She's vindicated, right, so she
only gets this charge one of your probation, uh, driving
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out of the influence essentially. One juror later said major
gaps in the investigation left reasonable doubt they believed her
to be innocent. Now the aftermath, as you mentioned, Proctor
resigned from Massachusetts State Police. He was fired, So he's fired.
Reforms reforms. Their Okee family filed a wrongful death civil
suit against Reed and two bars, a civil case now
(17:48):
moving forward. But is she going to have to do
anything to clear her name there?
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Her attorneys now that the gag orders released, have talked
about strat I think that those lawsuits fall flat on
their face because she got him safely to the location,
whether she had a couple drinks or not. By the way,
that night, all the police officers were drinking and driving,
not making it okay. But the selective enforcement, that's my problem.
By the way, some of the officers on the case,
justin have been caught drinking on the job in their cruisers.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
So the thing with Karen is this was her biggest hurdle.
She has an amazing group of supporters. She'll be okay
in these cases, and her OUI charge that's the dy
Massachusetts will be removed as long as she doesn't get
in trouble for a year and she completes alcohol education classes.
But one thing I just want to say justin that
is important to me, is for people to understand that again,
(18:40):
the lead investigator was fired for incompetence and texting his
friends calling her the C word, making fun of her
medical condition, saying that she had a leaky rear, but
used a different euphemism, very unprofessional and said we're going
to pin it on the girl. But to our people
on the right, I know you probably see Thomas Messy
calls us out. There are paid posts people get with
(19:03):
large accounts or asked to make posts. A ton of
the people on the right had nothing to do with
following the Karen Reid trial. Yet when the verdict came out,
I saw a lot of big accounts that said Aaron
Reid found not guilty for the murder of John o'keef
for officer boyfriend, although she had admitted I hit him.
All these things that were twisted. That tells me you
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didn't watch the trial. You got paid to make this post,
and how dare you? Because when you hear people see
that and you see that rhetoric. She didn't say I
hit him. When they found him, She's like, what happened?
Did I hit him? Like kind of like when something
happens in your home and you're like, how did this happen?
You go, did I? Like I had a Brooklyn sprinkler head,
I'm like, did I run it over? So she didn't
admit it, but seeing these influencers twist the narrative for
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paid posts, I mean, this is someone's reputation, and I
think that she's going to turn to the law, legal profession,
and she did more work on her case than some
of her attorneys, and they were the first to admit
that she's highly intelligent and she's she's a strong woman
and people, I just want to end with this on
this topic justin is that people keep saying those of
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us that support Karen Reid or like one of my
best friends, Rachel Attwood, made a funny crime scene mocking
how the investigation happened on my birthday to be funny,
and it wasn't mocking John. It's mocking the circus, the
actual laughable investigation. That's no disrespect on John. The people
that want to free Karen Read and get the FBI
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because they already did an investigation, hire their own experts
to tell the commonwealths he didn't get hit. I don't
know if I had explained that this is about now
we've got her done, she didn't do it. Now, look
at the evidence you ignored, plus the amount of stuff
that was excluded from this trial, I think would make
you go, what is this? Fanny willis because when the
jurors start to go back online and look now, I
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think they're going to freak out when they saw what
wasn't allowed in it was so biased in saying, by
the way, in this case, there was no more obvious
bias to the common wealth. In one direct there was
forty nine objections and they were all sided with the
Commonwealth when the defense was undirect, meaning the judge clearly
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would not let the defense speak in a manner that
is very normal for leading a witness when you're on
direct or cross like. It's just I know a lot
about court. I'm an extra witness, so I know how
to handle myself. And it's just I really wish that
people would go back and even watch daily summaries of
this of this the Daily Court Case, I think your
jaw would drop and you'd be asking yourself, why wasn't
(21:34):
this talked about more about more?
Speaker 1 (21:36):
It's gonna be something I think a lot of people
are gonna be talking about. I'm sure you know, the
Dateline episode, the Netflix special, the movie that they're gonna do,
you know, because this is such a massive story. Again,
and as much as as you mentioned, there's still a
bit of a who done it about what actually happened,
And I know there's lots of theories out there about that,
(21:57):
and that's I'm sure that's going to play a role
into it. Well, speaking of theories, lots of questions still
yet about what happened in East Palestine, and these three
want answers. You were there on the ground as this
all was unfolding, doing research to find out and to
help the folks in East Palestine. We're finally getting now
a couple of years later, efforts and the answers here
(22:20):
to help get more of those questions answered.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Hey, guys, Vice President J D.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Vance here, and I want to take you back to
something that happened early on when I was a United
States Senator. There was a terrible train crash and then
there was a controlled burn of toxic chemicals that went
into the atmosphere in East Palestine, Ohio, a little town
in the northeastern corner of the state of Ohio. What
happened then is that people got very worried. And I've
been to East Palestine a number of times, and they're
(22:47):
very worried about what are the long term impacts of
these chemicals in the water, in the air, What effect
does it have on their kids and grandkids after five years,
ten years, fifteen years of exposure. And the crazy thing
is number one, we didn't have a good answer to
that question. Science had never actually tried to understand what
the long term exposure of these trace chemicals would do
(23:08):
to people. And the second crazy thing is that as
much as I tried as a United States Senator to
work with the Biden administration, they refused to do anything
to actually study the effects of these long term exposures
on the people of East Palestine. Well, now we have
a new president and a great new Secretary of Health
and Human Services, and he's got an incredible announcement We're
(23:29):
finally going to study the effects on these chemicals and
finally get to the bottom of what effect this terrible
train crash and the ensuing consequences had on the people
of East Palestine.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
So let's talk about this, uh, Kristin, you know when
you were there, I remember hearing this story and we
kind of we sort of helped ring the alarm on this.
But you guys were finding some really horrifying things out
about what the truth was on the ground versus what
we were being told during that train derailment. The chemicals,
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the things that are still I think causing problems for
folks there. What do you make of this? I'm clearly
you've got to be excited, but also it's a bit
of long time coming for these people.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Yeah. I don't even know where to begin. Because I
was on the ground with Tammy Clark right after this
one off. In fact, that day that they did the
controlled burn, it was an uncontrolled control burn. I immediately
hopped on email chain with all of the people my
profession with ethics that also sit up during the Mandiates,
and we were talking about it. I was like, something's wrong. No,
sooner did that happen. I was in going out of
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state to Arizona. I immediately when I came back with
Tammy and I drove down there, and we knew the
chemicals that were there, that whole place should have still
been evacuated. I mean how we felt just walking into
McDonald's to use the restroom. And I can no longer
wear respiratory protection because of medical issues, so I knew
what I was getting into. But we had chemical goggles,
and like I said, originally with me the Patriots, USA,
(24:59):
we had a lawsuit suing the state Fed and EPA,
Governor Dwine, and the local health department because what I
said in a thirty nine page declaration was justin. What
they were doing was creating a greater harm with aerating
the water, and they were purposely using the improper sampling equipment.
There's something called passive and active sampling. You have to
have the right media to sample everything they were doing.
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It was like so egregious that I knew it was intentional.
And behind the scenes you had Nick Sorder. That's when
I first became friends with him and connected with him.
I was giving him advice on what ppe to wear.
And then I ran and I merged with a gentleman
named Scott Smith, who has done more sampling on the
ground than anyone else and then Steven Petty, my IH
colleague many people know from his work in the mass mandates.
(25:44):
We all got together and then we had all these
toxicologists and scientists come together. We formed like a Marvel
team behind the scenes, and we've been sharing data for
years and fighting. And one of the worst things that
happened was that a class action lawsuit went through there,
and Scott's and I were talking against that because the
only people that are compensated through that are the lawyers.
These people are getting two thousand dollars checks and the
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men have breast cancer. It's a reproductive health hazard. People
are getting respiratory illnesses, it's a contact skin hazard, it's
a GI hazard. From day one, I knew something was wrong,
and when the sampling data came back, I said, this
should be an EPA super fund site. So while you
may not see me post about it regularly, myself and
many several other people have done a lot of work,
(26:28):
but I have to say nobody has done more work
than Scott Smith and secondary to him with Steven Petty.
So I guarantee you we will all have some sort
of involvement in sharing the data because we've done more
sampling and gathered more data, more health surveillance data than
anyone in the government.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
What do you think is I mean, obviously you can
tell us what you guys have found, but what do
you think is going to be found as they continue
to look into this.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
That it should be a super fun site because the
contaminants and the toxicants, Remember.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Toxic, What does that mean to explain that to.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
So toxins are more like naturally occurring things that are toxic.
Toxicants are formed when toxins are made more in an
industrial setting and combined, so it's man made toxicants. Think
like man made versus natural. So the toxicants that were
formed from the burn that created more hazards, more chemicals
that were combined, the dioxins are what is the problem.
(27:27):
There's really no safe and there is proof of generational contamination,
meaning that you have children. These things can now spread
down just like agent orange can harm your children and
your grandchildren. It goes on down the line. It's very bioaccumulative.
So with my background in toxicology and do an environmental
sampling for twenty three years, I was able to guide
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people on the ground that needed to be in respirators
and go through the data and donate my time and
go through the results and do the calculations and then
hand it over to the other toxicologists and people way
more ced the meat. It was such a beautiful team effort.
But what they're going to find is the amount of
people that are having health issues there. And then you
deal with soil vapor erosion, which is when you have
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these contaminants that have now settled into the soil when
you have rain and heat and humidity. Just think of
it like it just keeps coming up like a volcano.
So if you have cracks in your basement, your foundations.
I always tell people look to what Congress passed a
few years ago, the Packed Act addressing the improper trash
burn pits. My husband was impacted by it. So many
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veterans are getting increase ratings because they're now feeling the
health effects of those burn pits because of the dioxins.
So the assumed So basically, if your veteran and you're
already haven't assumed compensation because of how bad it was.
So if the government is doing that for veterans, why
didn't they do this for the people of East Palsine, Ohio.
Because dioxins are contaminant in the in theater in a
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war zone, and they are in a residential area.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
You know, it's wild is that Biden often talked about that,
you know, particularly burn pits and whatnot with the sun bow,
and here he was overseeing this and didn't bring it up.
It didn't even get brought up at all with the
people of East Palestine. So in the end, here it
is good news that we're going to get some answers.
(29:20):
But a lot of these answers I don't know that
we're going to like when they come out, but the
people deserve those answers. What should happen? Should some of
these folks and I don't know, maybe you can't say
some of this, but should some of these folks go
to jail that were responsible for this?
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Justin have you met me? Do you see these cactuses
behind me? Of course I'm going to say what I think. Yes,
they should go to jail. And I also think some
of the contractors I created a greater harm errating in
the water and using proper, absolutely improper sampling equipment. I
don't even know how to relate it. Imagine you had
a huge laceration and you go and they don't clean
(29:57):
your boom and they just use store bought super glue
to close your wound instead of cleaning the wound, doing
staples or futures based on how deep the gash was.
That's what they It's like they know they're doing something
wrong and they know that that wound's going to tear open.
That's what happened. They created a greater harm. They knew it.
They violated their own standards. Just like Ohsha violated their
(30:17):
own standards during the four year madness. The EPA has
done the same. And it's because big industry is always
protected by the EPA. I've seen this throughout my whole career.
They go after the mom and pop shops that are
creating human and environmental impacts. But when it comes to
the railroads, you want to talk about lobbying and pressure.
It's massive within the EPA.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Will we see accountability.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
I don't know if we'll see accountability. If they do
a root cause investigation and they actually interview a lot
of us and there are whistleblowers involved, I think there
can be, if not force resignations, but there should definitely
be accountability people in my profession can go to jail
for improper methods claiming to be an expert. If you're
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certifying in something and you don't do what you're trained on.
That's why during the Flint water crisis you saw people
originally charged, because those are people in my profession IH environmental.
Not only should people get accountability and lose their jobs,
there's a ten million dollar investment and I am against
wasteful spending in the federal government, but all the other
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money we've wasted, these people need to have money to
relocate and have their medical bills paid for by the
rest of your life. And this should this is causational
through the EPA's improper handling, just like nine to eleven
saying it was safe with the asbestos. But it should
be split between the EPA and Norfolk Southern.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Kristin Megan Kelly, We're going to continue to follow the
latest on this set. Karen retrial to everything. Thank you
so much for taking the time. I know you've got
important things to do and you've got to run out,
but thank you so much for being here with us
today and sharing well.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Thank you. Can I just give one piece of advice
here if anyone really wants to dig into this and
all this this journalist can be spicy, but this video
is an hour and it's clean. If you go on
YouTube and you search turtle Boy, it's his nickname, Turtleboy
framed two. Turtle Boy Frame two is an hour long
summary of the last case and what we were getting into.
(32:20):
And it's really going to open your eyes and you're
going to understand why people like me who fight for
truth are so passionate about this. So yeah, Turtleboy Frame
two on YouTube. Go watch it.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
You got it. Kristin, thanks so much for being here.
Really appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Thanks for giving me a voice on this issue.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
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You know I've been following this story. I'll tell you
I've been following this story, but just very loosely. I'm
aware of it. I know folks in this audience have
really been following it, but nobody following this story like
our guest today. In fact, we got big recognize. We're
going to talk to her about the Karen Reid trial,
(00:23):
the VERD that came in. She's been vindicated, what happened
during the trial, the truth behind all of this, and
big news around East Palestine and announced what that happened,
Yester Kristin Megan Kelly was there boots on the ground
for it all in the beginning, And of course we'll
get her reaction to some of that coming up as
well on our podcast this weekend. But Christen, welcome in.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Well, thanks for having me. I kind of felt like
I've been cheating on you. I've missed the morning show
because I've been following the Karen.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
That's true and how dare you? But we kind of
forget because you are actually going to help us now
by bringing us up to speed. So tell us who
was Karen Reid? What happened with her? This story kind
of has been a few years in the making. She
had a trial a file, remember correctly in the beginning,
and this was kind of a retrial, wasn't it.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Yeah. So Karen Reid was a woman, she's forty five
years old, and she was dating a police officer, John O'Keefe.
They had met, you know, fifteen years prior. We kindled
the relationship, and she was a financial analyst and an
adjunct professor. Never had any trouble with the law, And
there was an original trial. And I don't know if
(01:32):
you want me to kind of condense the background of
how this happened, but if you understand, we have to
first go back to the history of corruption around the
Canton PD and the Boston PD, and a lot of
people may not know. I've been working in police accountability
for like fifteen years to bridge the gap between the
candunal wrong and always do wrong, to just say that
we need fair due process and transparency and full accountability,
(01:57):
and that your badge does not grant you extra protection.
If you do wrong, you shall be hell accountable. If
you didn't, you shall also be provided the same fairness
in a trial. But what happened with the situation is
if anyone's familiar with the case that will be coming up.
The Sandra Birchmore case was a story of a woman
thirteen years old was groomed by the officer doing the
(02:17):
junior officer training program. I will spare the details due
to where this is airing, but it became a sexual
relationship in her early twenties. I think she was twenty
two or twenty three. They deemed her death she was
found dead in her apartment a suicide. However, this was
a major cover up because the FEDS came in and
(02:39):
determined it was not a suicide due to the type
of bone in her neck. She was murdered. And then
you get the footage of that officer, Matthew Farwell or Fallwell,
coming in and yes he's going to stand trial now,
But why that's important to the Karen retrial. The same DA,
the same prosecutor, the same detectives, the same IT detectives
(02:59):
in the can't in Boston PD all were part of
the Sandra Burchmore case and all played a role in
covering up a murder into a suicide. So I have
been following true crime for years and Karen Reid was accused.
The backstory basically is you had all these people that
know each other. They're all part of the cant PD,
the Boston PD. One gentleman is an ETF agent, but
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it is stationed in Canton PD. They all went out
one night into a bar. There was jealousy that ensued
with one of the officers who had to think for
Karen Reid, and all of a sudden, they get invited
to this party at the house of a man named
Brian Albert who was a Canton Police officer. Well, long
story short, she's not sure if she's fully invited. John O'Keeffe,
(03:43):
according to Karen, goes inside of the home and she's waiting,
thinking she's waiting for the okay of like I can
come in. Never gets a text. She calls him, doesn't answer.
She's waiting. She's really upset at this point, and she
decides she also has a medical issue where when she's
got to go to the restroom, she's got to go
to the restroom. She has crones and a couple other issues.
So she was having those flare ups at for medical
(04:03):
issues and she said, I'm going home. I don't feel
well well. She went home and when she woke up
around four thirty in the morning, she realized John O'Keefe
was still not home. And what's important is he had
adopted his sister's kids. Kiss His sister and her husband
were also lost their lives, one to cancer and went
to a medical issue, so he was raising their children.
(04:25):
So it was weird for him to not come home
to these children. So she gets out and she goes
to drive around with some friends that she called to
look for him, and they find him on the lawn
in front of police officer Brian Albert Thome at thirty
four Fairview and the commonwealths Basically narrative is that Karen
Reid got mad, decided to drive forward and go and
reverse in the middle of a blizzard at twenty four
(04:45):
miles an hour and hit him. What brought my eyes
this attention was a journalists named Turtle Boy. His name's
Aiden Carney, was covering this and when you saw the
wounds to John O'Keefe, he had a huge laceration on
the back of his head, his right arm, he had
what was very obviously animal scratches and btes. So that's
when I started following this trial, and you know, I'll
(05:08):
stop with taking over here, but I just want to
give you the background of what happened. But this trial
was so incredibly biased and fraudulent. This is why I
was promoting more people to pay attention to this case.
Because as the jury decided she was free and this
cover up. I think the FBI might come back in
and investigate this.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
That's fascinating. What what do you think? Yeah, because if
she is free, then like the the real answer is
out there. You mentioned animal wounds? Was he murdered? Was
there another What's what's your thought about what happened to him? Like,
was there some other you know, possibility of some some
(05:52):
sort of animal attack or something else that took place here?
I mean, what what do you think it was?
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Well, what I'll share is facts from the defense case
in chief. This is not my opinion. The facts were
the Homers had a dog named Chloe, a German shepherd
who was known to attack people. She didn't know. She
was very violent, had a violent history. So they did
have a dog named Chloe. What went wrong here is
that if you find a police officer or any private
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citizen on the front lawn of somebody's house justin would
you knock on their door, would you maybe go in
there and see if there's a bigger crime and there's
other people deceased in the home. Don't you think that's
something plausible? Because that was not done. The lead investigator,
his name is Trooper Michael Proctor, never went into the home,
never interviewed the homeowners till some time later and via
(06:38):
private text miasers with his friends. He told them because
he's a police officer, basically he's not a sub suspect.
Even though Brian Albert, the homeowner, had a history around
town of getting intoxicated and punching people in the bar.
In fact, I met people on my cruise over spring break.
I heard their boss and accent and immediately had to
ask them and they were like, yes, actually Ian Elbert
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assaulted my cousin punched him in a bar. So the
facts of this case were the injury to John o'keeff's
head was a loss of three liders of blood. Yet
a week and a half later, in the snow, they
found drops of blood using a leaf blower and guess
how they collected the blood in red solo cups and
then put it in what's called a shopp and go
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bag like a little paper bag. From Meyer, the chain
of custody was broken. The clothing of John O'Keeffe sat
in the back of Trooper Proctor's car for months. The
whole theory of the Commonwealth was so comical that the
death of John O'Keeffe is not funny. But you cannot
make this up. It was the biggest circus and one
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thing that is I think the huge smoking gun. People
have asked me, what was your original reasonable about Well,
I could give you a million, but the number one
thing is the homeowner Brian Albert and that ATF agent
that had a crush on Karen Reid and was jealous
of John, Brian Higgins. The both of them were tipped
off that their phones were going to be seized. Brian
Elbert went and traded his in Higgins. The ATF agent
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took his SIM card and his phone, broke them, put
them in two different trash bags and dumped them on
a military base. What nothing to see here?
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Wow, this is just incredible, So no wonder it's been
such a massive case, drawing people into it like you.
It's just so much mystery, but obvious that where there's smoke,
there's fire. There's something that's going on here, something that
you just you can't explain.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Yeah, And what was really shocking is, I want to
tell you the first trial, a lot of people that
don't know. So much more came out in the first trial.
The common the case in chief, the defense was that
she was framed. And there was so much evidence and
so much stuff came out this trial that I wish
could have been about the first trial, because you see
that Brian Higgins actually go basically, I'm going to save
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you the long thing. But there's evidence that John died
in that house and they put his phone in a
Fara day bag, which block signaled because of the data
that they pulled from the phone showed him going up
three flights of stairs in the home and then stops,
nothing happened. And then when they found his phone, all
these messages came in fifty seven phone calls from Karen Reid.
If she killed him, why would she be calling him
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yelling at him saying are you cheating on me? Why
aren't you answering? But there's so much reasonable doubt, but
it's not even reasonable doubt how they used a defense.
Angle of the investigation was flawed, and no one else
was a suspect and it's because again they were protected
because they cover up for thy brother in Massachusetts. It's
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very corrupt. But let me talk about the last trial
real quick. Is that the jury was hung, but they
weren't hung so much on did she kill him? Jurors
came forward. This verdict form was so confusing to where
the jury did not understand what they were doing. They
all agreed it was not murdered. She didn't intentionally murder him.
They all agreed on that, but they were hung on
(10:01):
the like manslaughter, did she do it in voluntary? Like
did she actually hit him? She didn't know. There was
like three jurors that thought that was possible. The rest
were not guilty. So it was a hung jury. But
the jury was never pulled. Most of the time they
will ask, and there's precedents in this, well, were you
agreeing on these upper charges? So she should never have
been retried for the second degree in the manslaughter, But
(10:23):
she did agree admit in a documentary that she did,
you know, drink and probably shouldn't have drove. But friends
nearby her said they couldn't even tell if she was buzzed.
So she did get found guilty on operating under the influence,
but she was not found guilty, and every medical examiner,
even on the Commonwealth side, could not say he was
hit by a car. That's pretty bad that the Commonwealth's
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medical examiner actually was a better witness for the defense.
And the last thing I want to say of the
most red flag was there was a police officer. Kelly
Dever was the most rude, unprofessional expert or witness I've
ever seen in a trial. She changed her store. She
told the FBI that she had seen this trooper and
another trooper at an wildly uncomfortable long time in the
(11:06):
sally Port when they had possession of Karen Reid's taillight.
Why is that important because earlier, when her vehicle was
told from her parents' house, that officer test to fight
upheld asult and said that tailight was barely cracked when
it got towed, yet somehow it was shattered into forty
seven pieces. So you connect the dots. Trooper Proctor looks
like he bashed a tail and then planted it, because
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they found forty seven pieces of tail eight two weeks later.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Yeah, I wanted to ask you about that because you know,
one of the things that you mentioned about this case
is like how much the online sleuthing sort of played
a role in this where people were online digging into
this story and looking at things online what they found,
and I remember specifically seeing things about that tail light.
(11:54):
Was there video that was discovered by some of the
folks online that noticed that the tail light was in
tacked at one point and then later on that that
sort of played out into this this and did it
did the defense through that online sleuthing? Were they able
to use some of that in the trial? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Actually, Karen Reid's attorneys this time were pro bono and
they had several interns that were doing their work for free,
and there was people that were like it sluice on
the internet, people reviewing data and they found that there's
a scene where she's pulling out later and they studied
that actual lexus and that lexus you have to break
a certain internal component of the tail light for the
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light not to work. And if you look at the footage,
it's if the red casing was missing, the brake lights
wouldn't have been read on both sides. And the defense
stuff's coming out now that the trial's over. Yes, they
were combing TikTok an X finding data that they used
in their arguments undirect and cross But these experts, they
were called the crash daddies because they were quite handsome
(13:00):
from ARCA. Their accident reconstruction is that work for the
government as a client the military. They absolutely Rudolph ruled
out that John O'Keefe absolutely was not hit by a
vehicle and his injuries were not consistent and he would
have had a broken arm. The level of corruption, there's
a huge film going to be made about this. It's
already in the works, first of an honest documentary and
(13:21):
then they're going to film after the first year. I
think that when people see this they will now understand why.
I tell you it is the most corrupt workcase I
have seen in my lifetime. So I was actually really
shocked why so many of the anti Karen Reid crowd
were actually right wing and we're trying to they did.
They doxed me on the internet because I was for
free crank Karen Reid. I can tell you justin between
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all my strange views throughout the years and fighting for
the mandates and all the things, I have never been
had more hate speech and threats thrown at me than
being a supporter behind Karen Reid and getting the truth out.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Wow, why do you think that is?
Speaker 2 (13:57):
I think that there's a blind allegiance to police and
that sometimes people again remove your emotions. I'm not anti police,
but if you think they can do no wrong, there's
a problem there. Sandra Burgmore case again, same police department.
So we have a problem within this police department. And
how you gain trust in the communities, especially minority communities
who are more afraid of policing. You have to have
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accountability and at a minimum, there should have been an
investigation and all the people involved were not interviewed separately
or were interviewed together. When you are doing an investigation,
I do cause investigations for injury and illnesses. I even
have to interview employees separately to see if the story
is the same. If there was eyewitnesses, No, they interviewed,
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gave them time to get their story correctly. And the
biggest smoking gun was that one of the women involved
in this googled at two twenty seven am a typo
has long to dyeing cold. He was not found until
about five thirty in the morning, and luckily the homeowners.
Oh this is one other thing justin just for people
(15:01):
to understand this house where John O'Keefe was found dead
in front of the lawn, that house was a family
home for generations. For the Alberts. They replaced the flooring
in the basement and they sold the home for fifty
thousand dollars under asking. But the homeowners that bought it
didn't have this death disclosed to them and they are
(15:24):
super can reed supporters. So let private investigators come into
the home and take pictures. There are very suspect stains
in the garage and if you looked at the medical examiner,
doctor Lapizato, she said he had to have fallen on
a ridge and granular. If you look, there's like a
crack in the rag with like an uneven surface. That's
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what I'm saying. There's so much reasonalled out, but there's
so much evidence to prosecute these people. And it's just
insane to me because this could be any one of us.
I mean, this is going to make people scared to
date people in law enforcement. But we have to have
accountability because no person all of a sudden is on
high moral ground just because of their profession. There's horrific
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people in my profession and probably yours too, Justin and
I just think that we have to remove this blind
allegiance to a profession because bad people can be in
professions that are designed to protect we the people. In
this case, we need an overhaul and FBI second investigation
into this case, no.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Doubt about it. I'm sure that will come as this
continues to be something that people are going to be
talking about. Yeah, I look, I think you know, I
just want the truth, and obviously you just want justice
to happen. You don't see anybody get railroaded in a
situation like this. And I can see why the thing
was so popular. Again, it's just one of those things
(16:48):
that you and I talked. I saw you talked about
it so much, and then I it just wasn't something
that I've been able to really put my focus on
because of everything else in the world that's happening.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Yeah, world War three, a framed civilian.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
But I but I also understand maybe the the you know,
the the poll to focus on this because it maybe
you're not thinking about World War three, which is also
kind of understandable on both sides. So let's talk about this.
You know, she's she's acquitted. She's vindicated, right, so she
only gets this charge one of your probation, uh, driving
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out of the influence essentially. One juror later said major
gaps in the investigation left reasonable doubt they believed her
to be innocent. Now the aftermath, as you mentioned, Proctor
resigned from Massachusetts State Police. He was fired, So he's fired.
Reforms reforms. Their Okee family filed a wrongful death civil
suit against Reed and two bars, a civil case now
(17:48):
moving forward. But is she going to have to do
anything to clear her name there?
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Her attorneys now that the gag orders released, have talked
about strat I think that those lawsuits fall flat on
their face because she got him safely to the location,
whether she had a couple drinks or not. By the way,
that night, all the police officers were drinking and driving,
not making it okay. But the selective enforcement, that's my problem.
By the way, some of the officers on the case,
justin have been caught drinking on the job in their cruisers.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
So the thing with Karen is this was her biggest hurdle.
She has an amazing group of supporters. She'll be okay
in these cases, and her OUI charge that's the dy
Massachusetts will be removed as long as she doesn't get
in trouble for a year and she completes alcohol education classes.
But one thing I just want to say justin that
is important to me, is for people to understand that again,
(18:40):
the lead investigator was fired for incompetence and texting his
friends calling her the C word, making fun of her
medical condition, saying that she had a leaky rear, but
used a different euphemism, very unprofessional and said we're going
to pin it on the girl. But to our people
on the right, I know you probably see Thomas Messy
calls us out. There are paid posts people get with
(19:03):
large accounts or asked to make posts. A ton of
the people on the right had nothing to do with
following the Karen Reid trial. Yet when the verdict came out,
I saw a lot of big accounts that said Aaron
Reid found not guilty for the murder of John o'keef
for officer boyfriend, although she had admitted I hit him.
All these things that were twisted. That tells me you
(19:24):
didn't watch the trial. You got paid to make this post,
and how dare you? Because when you hear people see
that and you see that rhetoric. She didn't say I
hit him. When they found him, She's like, what happened?
Did I hit him? Like kind of like when something
happens in your home and you're like, how did this happen?
You go, did I? Like I had a Brooklyn sprinkler head,
I'm like, did I run it over? So she didn't
admit it, but seeing these influencers twist the narrative for
(19:47):
paid posts, I mean, this is someone's reputation, and I
think that she's going to turn to the law, legal profession,
and she did more work on her case than some
of her attorneys, and they were the first to admit
that she's highly intelligent and she's she's a strong woman
and people, I just want to end with this on
this topic justin is that people keep saying those of
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us that support Karen Reid or like one of my
best friends, Rachel Attwood, made a funny crime scene mocking
how the investigation happened on my birthday to be funny,
and it wasn't mocking John. It's mocking the circus, the
actual laughable investigation. That's no disrespect on John. The people
that want to free Karen Read and get the FBI
(20:28):
because they already did an investigation, hire their own experts
to tell the commonwealths he didn't get hit. I don't
know if I had explained that this is about now
we've got her done, she didn't do it. Now, look
at the evidence you ignored, plus the amount of stuff
that was excluded from this trial, I think would make
you go, what is this? Fanny willis because when the
jurors start to go back online and look now, I
(20:50):
think they're going to freak out when they saw what
wasn't allowed in it was so biased in saying, by
the way, in this case, there was no more obvious
bias to the common wealth. In one direct there was
forty nine objections and they were all sided with the
Commonwealth when the defense was undirect, meaning the judge clearly
(21:11):
would not let the defense speak in a manner that
is very normal for leading a witness when you're on
direct or cross like. It's just I know a lot
about court. I'm an extra witness, so I know how
to handle myself. And it's just I really wish that
people would go back and even watch daily summaries of
this of this the Daily Court Case, I think your
jaw would drop and you'd be asking yourself, why wasn't
(21:34):
this talked about more about more?
Speaker 1 (21:36):
It's gonna be something I think a lot of people
are gonna be talking about. I'm sure you know, the
Dateline episode, the Netflix special, the movie that they're gonna do,
you know, because this is such a massive story. Again,
and as much as as you mentioned, there's still a
bit of a who done it about what actually happened,
And I know there's lots of theories out there about that,
(21:57):
and that's I'm sure that's going to play a role
into it. Well, speaking of theories, lots of questions still
yet about what happened in East Palestine, and these three
want answers. You were there on the ground as this
all was unfolding, doing research to find out and to
help the folks in East Palestine. We're finally getting now
a couple of years later, efforts and the answers here
(22:20):
to help get more of those questions answered.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Hey, guys, Vice President J D.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Vance here, and I want to take you back to
something that happened early on when I was a United
States Senator. There was a terrible train crash and then
there was a controlled burn of toxic chemicals that went
into the atmosphere in East Palestine, Ohio, a little town
in the northeastern corner of the state of Ohio. What
happened then is that people got very worried. And I've
been to East Palestine a number of times, and they're
(22:47):
very worried about what are the long term impacts of
these chemicals in the water, in the air, What effect
does it have on their kids and grandkids after five years,
ten years, fifteen years of exposure. And the crazy thing
is number one, we didn't have a good answer to
that question. Science had never actually tried to understand what
the long term exposure of these trace chemicals would do
(23:08):
to people. And the second crazy thing is that as
much as I tried as a United States Senator to
work with the Biden administration, they refused to do anything
to actually study the effects of these long term exposures
on the people of East Palestine. Well, now we have
a new president and a great new Secretary of Health
and Human Services, and he's got an incredible announcement We're
(23:29):
finally going to study the effects on these chemicals and
finally get to the bottom of what effect this terrible
train crash and the ensuing consequences had on the people
of East Palestine.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
So let's talk about this, uh, Kristin, you know when
you were there, I remember hearing this story and we
kind of we sort of helped ring the alarm on this.
But you guys were finding some really horrifying things out
about what the truth was on the ground versus what
we were being told during that train derailment. The chemicals,
(23:59):
the things that are still I think causing problems for
folks there. What do you make of this? I'm clearly
you've got to be excited, but also it's a bit
of long time coming for these people.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Yeah. I don't even know where to begin. Because I
was on the ground with Tammy Clark right after this
one off. In fact, that day that they did the
controlled burn, it was an uncontrolled control burn. I immediately
hopped on email chain with all of the people my
profession with ethics that also sit up during the Mandiates,
and we were talking about it. I was like, something's wrong. No,
sooner did that happen. I was in going out of
(24:36):
state to Arizona. I immediately when I came back with
Tammy and I drove down there, and we knew the
chemicals that were there, that whole place should have still
been evacuated. I mean how we felt just walking into
McDonald's to use the restroom. And I can no longer
wear respiratory protection because of medical issues, so I knew
what I was getting into. But we had chemical goggles,
and like I said, originally with me the Patriots, USA,
(24:59):
we had a lawsuit suing the state Fed and EPA,
Governor Dwine, and the local health department because what I
said in a thirty nine page declaration was justin. What
they were doing was creating a greater harm with aerating
the water, and they were purposely using the improper sampling equipment.
There's something called passive and active sampling. You have to
have the right media to sample everything they were doing.
(25:20):
It was like so egregious that I knew it was intentional.
And behind the scenes you had Nick Sorder. That's when
I first became friends with him and connected with him.
I was giving him advice on what ppe to wear.
And then I ran and I merged with a gentleman
named Scott Smith, who has done more sampling on the
ground than anyone else and then Steven Petty, my IH
colleague many people know from his work in the mass mandates.
(25:44):
We all got together and then we had all these
toxicologists and scientists come together. We formed like a Marvel
team behind the scenes, and we've been sharing data for
years and fighting. And one of the worst things that
happened was that a class action lawsuit went through there,
and Scott's and I were talking against that because the
only people that are compensated through that are the lawyers.
These people are getting two thousand dollars checks and the
(26:06):
men have breast cancer. It's a reproductive health hazard. People
are getting respiratory illnesses, it's a contact skin hazard, it's
a GI hazard. From day one, I knew something was wrong,
and when the sampling data came back, I said, this
should be an EPA super fund site. So while you
may not see me post about it regularly, myself and
many several other people have done a lot of work,
(26:28):
but I have to say nobody has done more work
than Scott Smith and secondary to him with Steven Petty.
So I guarantee you we will all have some sort
of involvement in sharing the data because we've done more
sampling and gathered more data, more health surveillance data than
anyone in the government.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
What do you think is I mean, obviously you can
tell us what you guys have found, but what do
you think is going to be found as they continue
to look into this.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
That it should be a super fun site because the
contaminants and the toxicants, Remember.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Toxic, What does that mean to explain that to.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
So toxins are more like naturally occurring things that are toxic.
Toxicants are formed when toxins are made more in an
industrial setting and combined, so it's man made toxicants. Think
like man made versus natural. So the toxicants that were
formed from the burn that created more hazards, more chemicals
that were combined, the dioxins are what is the problem.
(27:27):
There's really no safe and there is proof of generational contamination,
meaning that you have children. These things can now spread
down just like agent orange can harm your children and
your grandchildren. It goes on down the line. It's very bioaccumulative.
So with my background in toxicology and do an environmental
sampling for twenty three years, I was able to guide
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people on the ground that needed to be in respirators
and go through the data and donate my time and
go through the results and do the calculations and then
hand it over to the other toxicologists and people way
more ced the meat. It was such a beautiful team effort.
But what they're going to find is the amount of
people that are having health issues there. And then you
deal with soil vapor erosion, which is when you have
(28:11):
these contaminants that have now settled into the soil when
you have rain and heat and humidity. Just think of
it like it just keeps coming up like a volcano.
So if you have cracks in your basement, your foundations.
I always tell people look to what Congress passed a
few years ago, the Packed Act addressing the improper trash
burn pits. My husband was impacted by it. So many
(28:33):
veterans are getting increase ratings because they're now feeling the
health effects of those burn pits because of the dioxins.
So the assumed So basically, if your veteran and you're
already haven't assumed compensation because of how bad it was.
So if the government is doing that for veterans, why
didn't they do this for the people of East Palsine, Ohio.
Because dioxins are contaminant in the in theater in a
(28:55):
war zone, and they are in a residential area.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
You know, it's wild is that Biden often talked about that,
you know, particularly burn pits and whatnot with the sun bow,
and here he was overseeing this and didn't bring it up.
It didn't even get brought up at all with the
people of East Palestine. So in the end, here it
is good news that we're going to get some answers.
(29:20):
But a lot of these answers I don't know that
we're going to like when they come out, but the
people deserve those answers. What should happen? Should some of
these folks and I don't know, maybe you can't say
some of this, but should some of these folks go
to jail that were responsible for this?
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Justin have you met me? Do you see these cactuses
behind me? Of course I'm going to say what I think. Yes,
they should go to jail. And I also think some
of the contractors I created a greater harm errating in
the water and using proper, absolutely improper sampling equipment. I
don't even know how to relate it. Imagine you had
a huge laceration and you go and they don't clean
(29:57):
your boom and they just use store bought super glue
to close your wound instead of cleaning the wound, doing
staples or futures based on how deep the gash was.
That's what they It's like they know they're doing something
wrong and they know that that wound's going to tear open.
That's what happened. They created a greater harm. They knew it.
They violated their own standards. Just like Ohsha violated their
(30:17):
own standards during the four year madness. The EPA has
done the same. And it's because big industry is always
protected by the EPA. I've seen this throughout my whole career.
They go after the mom and pop shops that are
creating human and environmental impacts. But when it comes to
the railroads, you want to talk about lobbying and pressure.
It's massive within the EPA.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Will we see accountability.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
I don't know if we'll see accountability. If they do
a root cause investigation and they actually interview a lot
of us and there are whistleblowers involved, I think there
can be, if not force resignations, but there should definitely
be accountability people in my profession can go to jail
for improper methods claiming to be an expert. If you're
(31:04):
certifying in something and you don't do what you're trained on.
That's why during the Flint water crisis you saw people
originally charged, because those are people in my profession IH environmental.
Not only should people get accountability and lose their jobs,
there's a ten million dollar investment and I am against
wasteful spending in the federal government, but all the other
(31:27):
money we've wasted, these people need to have money to
relocate and have their medical bills paid for by the
rest of your life. And this should this is causational
through the EPA's improper handling, just like nine to eleven
saying it was safe with the asbestos. But it should
be split between the EPA and Norfolk Southern.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Kristin Megan Kelly, We're going to continue to follow the
latest on this set. Karen retrial to everything. Thank you
so much for taking the time. I know you've got
important things to do and you've got to run out,
but thank you so much for being here with us
today and sharing well.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Thank you. Can I just give one piece of advice
here if anyone really wants to dig into this and
all this this journalist can be spicy, but this video
is an hour and it's clean. If you go on
YouTube and you search turtle Boy, it's his nickname, Turtleboy
framed two. Turtle Boy Frame two is an hour long
summary of the last case and what we were getting into.
(32:20):
And it's really going to open your eyes and you're
going to understand why people like me who fight for
truth are so passionate about this. So yeah, Turtleboy Frame
two on YouTube. Go watch it.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
You got it. Kristin, thanks so much for being here.
Really appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Thanks for giving me a voice on this issue.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Justin absolutely anytime. Thank you. Folks back with more, God bless.
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