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Speaker 2 (03:39):
Israel standing by, maybe even without America's permission?
Speaker 3 (03:45):
They say, what do they need America's permission?
Speaker 2 (03:49):
The allies working together here trying to curtail the nuclear program,
but Iran doesn't seem to want to play along. And
in fact, the question about this some video last night,
President Trump was asked.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Why are folks leaving the Middle East right now? In
big numbers?
Speaker 2 (04:09):
His answer may surprise you we'll get to that coming
up in just a moment. For a second night, there's
a curfew in downtown Los Angeles and it's just lifting
as we speak. Of course, the violence there were the riots,
the protests. They're trying to stound it out rage soon
joining the National Guard members in support. And if you
want to follow the money behind this, I just posted
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as earlier today in a secret show pron over on
locals justin barclay dot com slash logos. It's a very
good read from data Republican, who's broken it down by
the numbers, who's funding this stuff, and particularly that No
King's Rally event happening this weekend.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
We already know there's some.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Big box store heiresses who are throwing their weight and
their billions behind it.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
We'll fill you in coming up. And just moment breaking
horror in the air and on the ground is there.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
India flight AI seven one seven one and Boeing seven
eighty seven eight Dreamline down for London's Gatwick Airport crashed
into a residential area five minutes after taking off. The
videos are tough to watch. You can see them going
in this plane, going into the into the ground and
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to go ass into the the buildings here. It's just wild,
wild footage. Eric goes to roll that back for folks
watching the behind the scenes live stream. Eric just disappears
behind the buildings in a fireball from from the eyewitnesses
(05:47):
who are watching behind us. Sends the videos coming out,
Like I said, kind of tough to watch. All two
hundred and forty two I believe on board passengers and
crew expected dead. One hundred and sixty nine from India,
fifty three from Britain, seven from Portugal, one from Canada.
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And as a producer Adam just pointed out, as we
were talking about this off the air, it's you know,
it's a question as to as to how many people
may have been even injured inside there the.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Homes in the neighborhood.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
We've got footage from people being rushed inside hospitals now.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
And our prayers with those folks there.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
In another situation with Boeing that again on takeoff, that
can't be.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
That can't be. Oh, it can't be.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
I don't think inspiring confidence for many folks as you
think about flying number one, but flying Boeing, and I'm
just talking about this off the air. Last few times
I've flown here recently, in the last six months, I
fled California and I had to fly to Texas, and
both of those times different airlines. I believe was on
(07:08):
an airbus or different different types of uh, different types
of airbus or those those those airplanes. It's you know
this A lot of this goes back to the questions
with Boeing too, the questions about the DEI policies and
whether or not that that affected quality. Those answers to
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those questions continue to be asked. We're going to get
more as we did get. But I want to give
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If you love to jump in today you may. We'd
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Speaker 2 (07:59):
You know, I've also got that Elon and Trump have
been on the phone together, folks, They've been on the
phone together. Yeah, heads up, we've got the word on that.
What do they discuss? What they talked about We're going
to get into all of those questions, the stories and more,
but the war and Iran issue right now, or the
(08:22):
possibility of the imminent bombing that folks are talking about
this morning, is probably first out of the gate for you.
So I want to do this. President Trump comes out
yesterday and this was on his way to the Kennedy
Center for their big celebration there. Reporter asked the question.
As they're getting into the b C Malania. He walks
(08:47):
her around like a gentleman to her side of the car, says,
I to a few folks, and then here's a question.
Speaker 5 (09:00):
Say, what are US dependents of military personnel being authorized? Theilies?
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Why are US dependents of military personnel being authorized to
leave the Middle East? And in essence there they're telling
some people to go home. I think is is uh
is what the word is. Trump looks at him, He
kind of heard it, and he goes he kind of shrugs,
and he goes, well, you'll have to see thank you,
and then he gets into the beast. The questions though
(09:29):
about Iran, and there are questions about what what may
be coming. They posted over on X last night, which
is wild to think about it. You remember there was
a time when it was Twitter when Iran and the
I was was a ta ayatolar. Whoever it is, it's
in control over there right now. They were they had
(09:50):
a Twitter profile active, active, active Twitter profile, but but
President Trump was booted off of off at the time.
It's just wild to see some of that stuff that
that that's that's coming out anyway. The the post last
night just Tad basically had their flag and the words
(10:13):
we are ready and we will continue to keep you
posted and updated on the on the latest on this
is as the back and forth gets gets increasingly I
think more more active. But it is, it is. It
is something that could come. We could see some sort
(10:35):
of issue or launch of something at any moment, folks.
And that's that's something I think is a lot of
folks have.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Their eyes on today.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
All right, let me jump on the phone line right now,
because we've got a conversation I wanted to have. In fact,
I'm glad we get to have this conversation. Reb Luke
Merriman with us right now from the state of Michigan.
And Luke's got some things that they're overseeing as we speak,
some big things that are in the news lately, Luke,
(11:06):
appreciate you being here with us.
Speaker 6 (11:08):
How are you this morning, Justin I'm glad to be
with you.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
So, you know, yesterday President Trump just talked about this
deal with China. He just released the information about some
big deal with China, and inside the deal with the
traffs and whatnot with China, there was commentary about which
I found kind of interesting and sort of disturbing about
(11:32):
these these Chinese. Hey, we still want to have Chinese
students coming here, and in the last few days have
been questioned about that. I know you guys have been
looking at this and uh and really trying to take
a look at the last week or two, we've seen
several arrests Detroit Airport, biological materials and things brought in
possibly being weaponized and and and folks really not just
(11:57):
here in Michigan, but I think all of the country
should be to be concerned about this.
Speaker 6 (12:04):
Yeah, absolutely we should be, and we're seeing these examples
in the news. But it's something that we've been hearing
about from you know, like for instance, former FBI Director
Ray for years was talking about this and really begging
those around us here that we all should care about
what China's trying to do. And it was just last
week that are General Cain said, this is the biggest
(12:33):
threat we're facing in our nation's history of what the
Communist Chinese Party is doing here in this nation. And
so I think this is just the tip of the iceberg.
A few of these news stories that we're seeing.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Now, you guys have done some work on this this
year already. What's happening behind the scenes on this and
actually out in front.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Center as well.
Speaker 6 (12:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (12:55):
Absolutely.
Speaker 6 (12:55):
It started with a working group that myself and Redbrook
started Technic Michigan from foreign entities, and it resulted in
the first of the nation at the state level Foreign
Oversight Committee, which Redbrook runs and I'm a vice chair of.
So we've been looking into things like this. We've been
(13:15):
focusing on drones and drone technology. But we sent a
letter last November to then President Huno of University of
Michigan asking them what protections or what things are they
doing to vet these Chinese students.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Because we know that.
Speaker 6 (13:36):
They are all, by the Chinese constitution, supposed to be
doing espionage whenever the Chinese government asked them to do it.
So we just need to be more vigilant and more
of us need to be watching what's going on. This
is not against the Chinese people, it's against the Chinese
communist government that's looking to subvert this nation.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
What can be done?
Speaker 2 (14:00):
You know, in the conversation yes today with James Dixon
and he said, you know, it's interesting, he said, you know,
I that maybe Trump would take action here, but it
looks like he's sort of decided not to at least
for now on this, and that leaves it in the
hands of the university really to police themselves. And he
says that likely that's going to happen, particularly with the
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University of Michigan, because they get so much money from
these foreign students coming in.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
I'm not necessarily saying we.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Have to vet to cut off the foreign students, but
maybe we need to vet a little bit more carefully here.
That's not Maybe certainly we need to vet a little
more carefully here who's coming in and who's working here,
And maybe there needs to be ongoing scrutiny in that
matter as well.
Speaker 6 (14:44):
Yeah, absolutely, what access what projects? Because University of Michigan also,
you know, gets paid a lot of money from federal
government to do research and so what research projects do
these Chinese students have access to matter to all of us.
We had Congressman molinar In here at the Lampsting State
(15:06):
Capital a month and a half ago, and one of
the things that stood out to me was he said,
seventy percent of the routers that are used in municipal
situations around the State of Michigan are made by Chinese,
and we're seeing that there are back doors in many
of these routers. So that's a simple thing to start,
(15:27):
you know, replacing those that aren't made in China. Well,
I shouldn't say it's simple, but it's it's a place
that we need to start as State of Michigan and
other municipalities, townships, and cities to protect our critical infrastructure.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
And I had some hearings on this yesterday.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
I though former Ambassador Joseph Sello was involved. Anything new,
He's been a staunch upon it to that Ghoshen plant
up north. Anything new coming out of the hearings yesterday.
Speaker 6 (15:56):
Yeah, we did. We had a we had a hearing.
Jill Stella has been a great partner in all of
this and helping feed me things and information. I just
really appreciate what he's been doing, and so out of
that committee, the thing I took away was, you know,
(16:17):
we do want this battery technology, and we do want
these batteries produced here in United States, but we don't
need to partner with Cattle and Cattle has been now,
you know, the Department of Defense said, you know, nobody
from the military can work with this company because they
are seen as a really just an arm of the
Chinese Republican Army. So we have other countries we could
(16:42):
partner with, Japan and South Korea at battery technology too,
maybe not the same or maybe not at the same scale.
But we certainly don't need to give Michigan tax dollars.
It's it's through a subsidiary company, and it's a company
that you know, Ford has its hands in, But we
don't need to incentivize Cattle or give them any connection
(17:04):
here to Michigan. We can find partners in the in
the world that don't want to subvert this nation. We
can find somebody in South Korea that's making batteries as well.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Now this issue hadn't gone away anytime soon, but Rebolute Merriman,
we appreciate the fact that the Republicans in the House
had taken some steps on this, and you're taking it seriously.
Please come on when you have more updates. I'd like
to see you know where this goes. Obviously there needs
to be accountability. We've got to improve that vetting process
and a little more scrutiny as things go on there.
But this is this is not an answer that we're
(17:35):
going to have overnight, but it's something that I think
folks need to wake up to here in Michigan. We've
we've got to be aware. China's got plans for us.
If we allow them to go through with them, it's
not going to be pretty.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
That's for sure. Agreed, Agreed, Thank you sir. Always a pleasure,
make it a great one. God bless thank you. Yes, sir, China.
There you go. That's the littus.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Luke Merriman, he's a vice chair on that oversight committee
in the Homeland Security and whatnot.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Hey, they they're taking it seriously.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
In Lansing, I on a president taking a closer look
at this, and folks were reaching out to him saying, hey,
are you sure you want to do this with the students. Well,
on that point yesterday, something to remind you, I'll fill
you in on what that is after this, because I
caught something in that statement, and I don't know if
you if you caught, but I'll explain what it was
(18:30):
after this hang out.
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election integrity. One of them last week in fact court.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
And you may seem think this is frivolous, but he
won in court because he was right. And instead the
Secretary of State is bringing decrees on these clerks and
imposing these ideas on them such that they try to
make Tim and I pay these exorbitant fees. I made
a foyer recently for about five pages of double space
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messages from the Secretary of State. They waited six months
to give it to me and charged me six hundred
and fifty dollars or something for that foy. If any
company was run this way, it would be buried in
the dirt. It would be rightfully buried in the dirt,
wait waiting there, making their shareholders wait six months for
their data, for their shareholder data.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
He's a data geek, as affectionately, I'll call him a
data geek boy.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
We'll give you some of his credentials here in just
a moment.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
But a freedom fighter braidon, Jacobotzi joins us right now,
appreciate you taking the time to testify in front of
those folks. D are the Election Integrity Committee here in Lansing,
but also to join us and give us the skinny
and the heads up on this story.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Braiden, welcome in.
Speaker 7 (21:47):
Thank you justin. It was an honor and a privilege
to be invited to that committee and to testify about
the things that we've been noticing over the last four
or five years here in our elections in Michigan. Thanks
for having me.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Absolutely, you've I want to break down some of those
because you made some interesting points that talked about a
few of those things in the in the testimony that
I think are worth note.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
But you know, one of the things.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
That that I think is is really hard to get
past is the data portion. And in your in your
testimony and your presentation, you you you brought up a
really interesting pot I'm gonna let you break down whatever
you want to break down and share with us today.
But I thought we'd just start here and and as
you were trying to get for your request and talk
about getting some of this data back, and literally this
(22:33):
is checking your work. You remember when you went to school,
the math teacher would say, all right, show me your work.
I see how you get Let's see how you got
to this conclusion, that's what we're asking election officials to do,
and they have a hard time doing that. Transparency isn't
a thing, particularly with Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson. But
when you do start to add up numbers that you get,
they never really seem to flesh out. And you showed
(22:55):
one slide that showed multiple discrepancies from from all sorts
of different agencies and areas, and I thought this was
worth a place to start at.
Speaker 7 (23:07):
Yeah, it's very troublesome when we first started this journey
because I kind of woke up in twenty twenty being
a poll challenger and I didn't think that I would
see anything except to have a boring day, And then
you realize that there's all these problems in the system.
And what we noticed is that when we first started
looking at this, we thought, you know, maybe the clerks
(23:27):
had something to do with this, and that they were
hiding stuff from us or something like that. But as
we worked through this for the last four years, it's
been more and more indicative of a problem at the top,
where you have a leadership that's intentionally instigating problems between
clerks and people who are investigating. There is is the
public their constituents, So the clerks will get one file
(23:51):
because the elections occur at a local level, justin and
so the data that you get at a local level
you would expect to be the most accurate data because
that's where the elections are actually run. But when we
look at the data from the local election, and then
that data feeds the county data, which looks at all
of the data for the whole county for the election.
Then that data from the county level feeds the state level,
(24:14):
and we're finding that most of the time, without sale,
the data never matches what you see from the Secretary
of State. And so what the Secretary of State then
does is when we talk to her and say, hey,
this data doesn't add up, she then blames the clerks. Well,
the clerks have no recourse here because the clerks are
never given a receipt. Now, if I go to McDonald's,
(24:35):
if I go to any restaurant or any business, doesn't
matter if they have a million dollar systems, you know,
a world class system or not, they are required to
give me a receipt. I get a receipt for exactly
what I got. But these local clerks don't even get
a receipt, so when they upload their files at the
end of an election, and so now the Secretary of
State can blame them for problems that are clearly, clearly
(24:57):
seem to be happening at a state level.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
That's just unthinkable that would even be a thing. I mean,
it's just unthinkable that they don't get a receipt for
what they've up.
Speaker 7 (25:07):
Past the clerks and they say, well, we do. We
do a spot check and can you show me the
receipt so that I can prove that to the Secretary
of State that you uploaded your file on time and
that she's wrong. And they say, well, we just do
a spot check because they don't give us anything. Now,
maybe that's not true, but that's what we hear. I've
heard some multiple clerks.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Now unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
So what else have you found in the testimony the
other day that you shared. I know that Rischall Reperschel
Smith has been on this, Jay the Bowyer as well.
Folks really want to get answers in there working hard.
Thankfully now as the Republicans controlling the House, they're going
to have that opportunity. But that you weren't even allowed
to ask these questions bring these things up previously. Now
(25:48):
we finally have the opportunity to do. So what are
you finding.
Speaker 7 (25:54):
Yeah, well, first of all, I want to I want
to thank Representative Smith and that entire committee for actually
doing something now about this. And what we're finding is
that even at the base fundamental levels of the file structure,
so we know that like headers and file names and
file types, that all seems really boring and mundane to people.
But if you have, like your election system is just
(26:17):
a bunch of computers talking to each other at the
end of the day, when you it's a big data system,
and if you have one computer talking to another computer
and it's not having a standardized process, and in one
computer you have a set of data where column amy
is one thing, and then you have another computer where
colum amy is an entirely different thing, and then you
try to bring that data together, you're going to have
garbage data. And there's there's a phrase that they use
(26:41):
in all industries, across all industries, especially data, it's garbage
in and garbage out. So right now we're paying for
this multimillion dollar election system, and it doesn't matter how
beautiful in pristine it is, doesn't matter how good the
clerks are, if they're getting garbage data into that system
and the system is not set up properly or not
designed to be set up properly, we don't know. You're
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necessarily going to get garbage data out or data that's
not trustworthy. And that's what we're seeing because you end
up with multiple versions of the truth. And that doesn't
mean that both versions are accurate. It means that whoever
gets one version is going to believe one thing, and
then the other person is going to believe another thing.
And then when they come together, like when we go
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to these clerks, you're going to be at odds with
each other unnecessarily, and it's creating a friction where you
should be working together. But now both of you end
up thinking that you're lying to each other, and that
creates a problem because now instead of pointing the finger
at the Secretary of State and the leadership where it belongs,
who is instigating this problem, you end up fighting amongst
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each other. And that's not what we want here because
it's clerks by and large just want to do a
good job.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
I think, yeah, I would say at the local level,
that's largely what I found as well, and many of
them are frustrated by this whole process.
Speaker 7 (28:00):
Yes, some of the data that we looked at, like
this isn't just a northern Michigan thing. It's not just
the west coast, East coast the Michigan thing. When we
looked at the southeast Michigan in Detroit, where you have
a huge density of population and where you would be
disenfranchising minority voters. Most this isn't a Republican or Democrat
black the white thing. It's not a male female thing.
(28:21):
But when we look at Detroit City voters, when we
look at the local, the state, and the county election data,
the numbers don't match up for the twenty twenty four elections.
We aren't just saying that this twenty twenty election was
a problem. We're looking at twenty twenty four now. We're
looking at the fact that even though all of these
things have been brought to light the last four years,
the problems don't get better and they seem to be
(28:44):
getting worse. And as we find problems, what we've noticed
is that instead of working with us, the Secretary of
State shames us and tells the clerks not to work
with us and try to shame and tell the clerks
to not work with us and then remove data from
the reports that were given to make it harder for
us to catch it. When we used to look at
(29:07):
the data up until the fall of last year, we
were able to look at the voting method that somebody
used in an election, and that was key because in
the twenty twenty election, in the twenty twenty two election
is following, we were able to notice that in the
vote history files. Let's say that you voted in the
election and you voted absent. See just well, from one
(29:28):
month to the next, it would shift, so it would
say you voted absen tee, and then it might say
that you didn't vote at all, and then the next
time it would say that you voted in person, and
then you know, on and on and on, and this
would happen two, three, four, or five even seven times
for one person, where the vote histories would just change inexplicably,
even though the law indicates that these qbs, these files
(29:50):
have to be maintained and closed after an election within
seven days, so none of the files add up. And
the very fundamental essence of what an election is, which
is your vot is constantly being sifted and we don't
know why.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Well, Brydon Jacobatzi with this right now, you know listen,
I know this is a story that you continue to
work on. I want to ask you because we're not today.
We're not going to have this solved overnight. But part
of what we're having on for is just to is
literally just to have more awareness brought to this situation,
to raise that level up. Why is this so important
(30:28):
in twenty twenty six and beyond in the state of Michigan.
Speaker 7 (30:32):
Well, it's fundamental because, like I said, the Secretary of State,
when we bring things to light, you think that we
want to work together and make things better. But instead
the reports were given are redacted information, so only a
privileged set of elite people apparently are allowed to see
the full file, which suggests that there's multiple books being
used because one person, if you go to a local clerk,
(30:53):
they get one set of books that has all the
data that we need, and then if you go to
the Secretary of State, you don't get it. And the
reason why, I mean, first of all, that means that
nobody can trust the data that they're given when they're
paying for all of this stuff. However, going in at
twenty twenty six and twenty twenty eight, there are very
few attorneys and clerks and people that are willing to
work on this because they know that there is this
(31:16):
kind of unity between the Attorney General and the Secretary
of State. Well, they will come down on people for
questioning this, even though all we're doing is looking at
their official data. The Attorney General, working on behalf of
the Secretary of State, admitted during it in the appellate
Court during a case that I was a plaintiff on
that if there was a law that they didn't like,
(31:38):
that they would simply I think they said they would
just set it aside and just let it sit there.
So they would ignore a lot they just didn't like it,
or if it was they found it too burdensome, and
that's not the way that you can run an election
and have your election be trusted. We have an attorney
right now, Stephanie Lambert, who has to go to trial
next month, and because she was trying to aid in
(32:03):
figuring out what was going on in these systems, because
clerks were looking at her and they were noticing some
of this stuff, and so they tried to get to
the bottom of it, and instead of trying to figure
out what the problem was, the Attorney General is coming
after these attorneys instead, and so it's putting. It's having
a very silencing and a deaaliterious effect on everybody, and
it's disenfranchising voters of all races and all creeds, and
(32:26):
so I guess I just want to make sure that
we highlight this before that trial in July, because there's
only a fraction of a percent of people in Michigan
that even know that this data exists and that this
is going on, and if we're supposed to have our
people go before a jury of our peers, and our
peers have no idea what the truth is, and there's
all these different, multiple versions of the truth. We need
(32:47):
to make sure that they see the accurate data coming
out and that they know that if they get on
that jury pool, that we need them to have a balanced.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
View of that.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Brighton, thank you for the updates. Let me ask you,
what's the best way people want to follow you, find
out more about what you're up to and h and
maybe support the work.
Speaker 7 (33:08):
Thank you for asking. You can find me on x
My handle is at Michigan Branden at Michigan VRA D
E N or you can look up Michigan's fair elections
run by Patrise Johnson as well as Michigan District nine.
You can find them at m I District the number nine.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
We appreciate you taking the time shining some light on
this very important and again the fight continues.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Justin begain.
Speaker 7 (33:36):
Thank you so much, justin thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
You got it my pleasure, folks. Brighton Jacobots the election
integrity expert, that's what we're calling. That's, like I said,
data geek. His background was pretty impressive working at MIT,
and it brought that up at one point during that
here and there in the back and forth. I will
tell you it's a subject that needs to continue to
(33:59):
other spot China. We're going to do that in fact
this week and we have more of a look at
deep dive into the election integrity subject, the updates and
where things are going to Mike g Lindell trial that's
happening as we speak right now. They're trying to silence
him on the number of subjects. All of that and
more with our good friend Patrick Colebeck in a podcast
(34:21):
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Why are folks leaving the Middle East right now? In
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Speaker 2 (04:09):
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India flight AI seven one seven one and Boeing seven
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Like I said, kind of tough to watch. All two
hundred and forty two I believe on board passengers and
crew expected dead. One hundred and sixty nine from India,
fifty three from Britain, seven from Portugal, one from Canada.
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And as a producer Adam just pointed out, as we
were talking about this off the air, it's you know,
it's a question as to as to how many people
may have been even injured inside there the.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Homes in the neighborhood.
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We've got footage from people being rushed inside hospitals now.
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And our prayers with those folks there.
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In another situation with Boeing that again on takeoff, that
can't be.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
That can't be. Oh, it can't be.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
I don't think inspiring confidence for many folks as you
think about flying number one, but flying Boeing, and I'm
just talking about this off the air. Last few times
I've flown here recently, in the last six months, I
fled California and I had to fly to Texas, and
both of those times different airlines. I believe was on
(07:08):
an airbus or different different types of uh, different types
of airbus or those those those airplanes. It's you know
this A lot of this goes back to the questions
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You know, I've also got that Elon and Trump have
been on the phone together, folks, They've been on the
phone together. Yeah, heads up, we've got the word on that.
What do they discuss? What they talked about We're going
to get into all of those questions, the stories and more,
but the war and Iran issue right now, or the
(08:22):
possibility of the imminent bombing that folks are talking about
this morning, is probably first out of the gate for you.
So I want to do this. President Trump comes out
yesterday and this was on his way to the Kennedy
Center for their big celebration there. Reporter asked the question.
As they're getting into the b C Malania. He walks
(08:47):
her around like a gentleman to her side of the car, says,
I to a few folks, and then here's a question.
Speaker 5 (09:00):
Say, what are US dependents of military personnel being authorized? Theilies?
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Why are US dependents of military personnel being authorized to
leave the Middle East? And in essence there they're telling
some people to go home. I think is is uh
is what the word is. Trump looks at him, He
kind of heard it, and he goes he kind of shrugs,
and he goes, well, you'll have to see thank you,
and then he gets into the beast. The questions though
(09:29):
about Iran, and there are questions about what what may
be coming. They posted over on X last night, which
is wild to think about it. You remember there was
a time when it was Twitter when Iran and the
I was was a ta ayatolar. Whoever it is, it's
in control over there right now. They were they had
(09:50):
a Twitter profile active, active, active Twitter profile, but but
President Trump was booted off of off at the time.
It's just wild to see some of that stuff that
that that's that's coming out anyway. The the post last
night just Tad basically had their flag and the words
(10:13):
we are ready and we will continue to keep you
posted and updated on the on the latest on this
is as the back and forth gets gets increasingly I
think more more active. But it is, it is. It
is something that could come. We could see some sort
(10:35):
of issue or launch of something at any moment, folks.
And that's that's something I think is a lot of
folks have.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Their eyes on today.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
All right, let me jump on the phone line right now,
because we've got a conversation I wanted to have. In fact,
I'm glad we get to have this conversation. Reb Luke
Merriman with us right now from the state of Michigan.
And Luke's got some things that they're overseeing as we speak,
some big things that are in the news lately, Luke,
(11:06):
appreciate you being here with us.
Speaker 6 (11:08):
How are you this morning, Justin I'm glad to be
with you.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
So, you know, yesterday President Trump just talked about this
deal with China. He just released the information about some
big deal with China, and inside the deal with the
traffs and whatnot with China, there was commentary about which
I found kind of interesting and sort of disturbing about
(11:32):
these these Chinese. Hey, we still want to have Chinese
students coming here, and in the last few days have
been questioned about that. I know you guys have been
looking at this and uh and really trying to take
a look at the last week or two, we've seen
several arrests Detroit Airport, biological materials and things brought in
possibly being weaponized and and and folks really not just
(11:57):
here in Michigan, but I think all of the country
should be to be concerned about this.
Speaker 6 (12:04):
Yeah, absolutely we should be, and we're seeing these examples
in the news. But it's something that we've been hearing
about from you know, like for instance, former FBI Director
Ray for years was talking about this and really begging
those around us here that we all should care about
what China's trying to do. And it was just last
week that are General Cain said, this is the biggest
(12:33):
threat we're facing in our nation's history of what the
Communist Chinese Party is doing here in this nation. And
so I think this is just the tip of the iceberg.
A few of these news stories that we're seeing.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Now, you guys have done some work on this this
year already. What's happening behind the scenes on this and
actually out in front.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Center as well.
Speaker 6 (12:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (12:55):
Absolutely.
Speaker 6 (12:55):
It started with a working group that myself and Redbrook
started Technic Michigan from foreign entities, and it resulted in
the first of the nation at the state level Foreign
Oversight Committee, which Redbrook runs and I'm a vice chair of.
So we've been looking into things like this. We've been
(13:15):
focusing on drones and drone technology. But we sent a
letter last November to then President Huno of University of
Michigan asking them what protections or what things are they
doing to vet these Chinese students.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Because we know that.
Speaker 6 (13:36):
They are all, by the Chinese constitution, supposed to be
doing espionage whenever the Chinese government asked them to do it.
So we just need to be more vigilant and more
of us need to be watching what's going on. This
is not against the Chinese people, it's against the Chinese
communist government that's looking to subvert this nation.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
What can be done?
Speaker 2 (14:00):
You know, in the conversation yes today with James Dixon
and he said, you know, it's interesting, he said, you know,
I that maybe Trump would take action here, but it
looks like he's sort of decided not to at least
for now on this, and that leaves it in the
hands of the university really to police themselves. And he
says that likely that's going to happen, particularly with the
(14:22):
University of Michigan, because they get so much money from
these foreign students coming in.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
I'm not necessarily saying we.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Have to vet to cut off the foreign students, but
maybe we need to vet a little bit more carefully here.
That's not Maybe certainly we need to vet a little
more carefully here who's coming in and who's working here,
And maybe there needs to be ongoing scrutiny in that
matter as well.
Speaker 6 (14:44):
Yeah, absolutely, what access what projects? Because University of Michigan also,
you know, gets paid a lot of money from federal
government to do research and so what research projects do
these Chinese students have access to matter to all of us.
We had Congressman molinar In here at the Lampsting State
(15:06):
Capital a month and a half ago, and one of
the things that stood out to me was he said,
seventy percent of the routers that are used in municipal
situations around the State of Michigan are made by Chinese,
and we're seeing that there are back doors in many
of these routers. So that's a simple thing to start,
(15:27):
you know, replacing those that aren't made in China. Well,
I shouldn't say it's simple, but it's it's a place
that we need to start as State of Michigan and
other municipalities, townships, and cities to protect our critical infrastructure.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
And I had some hearings on this yesterday.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
I though former Ambassador Joseph Sello was involved. Anything new,
He's been a staunch upon it to that Ghoshen plant
up north. Anything new coming out of the hearings yesterday.
Speaker 6 (15:56):
Yeah, we did. We had a we had a hearing.
Jill Stella has been a great partner in all of
this and helping feed me things and information. I just
really appreciate what he's been doing, and so out of
that committee, the thing I took away was, you know,
(16:17):
we do want this battery technology, and we do want
these batteries produced here in United States, but we don't
need to partner with Cattle and Cattle has been now,
you know, the Department of Defense said, you know, nobody
from the military can work with this company because they
are seen as a really just an arm of the
Chinese Republican Army. So we have other countries we could
(16:42):
partner with, Japan and South Korea at battery technology too,
maybe not the same or maybe not at the same scale.
But we certainly don't need to give Michigan tax dollars.
It's it's through a subsidiary company, and it's a company
that you know, Ford has its hands in, But we
don't need to incentivize Cattle or give them any connection
(17:04):
here to Michigan. We can find partners in the in
the world that don't want to subvert this nation. We
can find somebody in South Korea that's making batteries as well.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Now this issue hadn't gone away anytime soon, but Rebolute Merriman,
we appreciate the fact that the Republicans in the House
had taken some steps on this, and you're taking it seriously.
Please come on when you have more updates. I'd like
to see you know where this goes. Obviously there needs
to be accountability. We've got to improve that vetting process
and a little more scrutiny as things go on there.
But this is this is not an answer that we're
(17:35):
going to have overnight, but it's something that I think
folks need to wake up to here in Michigan. We've
we've got to be aware. China's got plans for us.
If we allow them to go through with them, it's
not going to be pretty.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
That's for sure. Agreed, Agreed, Thank you sir. Always a pleasure,
make it a great one. God bless thank you. Yes, sir, China.
There you go. That's the littus.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Luke Merriman, he's a vice chair on that oversight committee
in the Homeland Security and whatnot.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Hey, they they're taking it seriously.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
In Lansing, I on a president taking a closer look
at this, and folks were reaching out to him saying, hey,
are you sure you want to do this with the students. Well,
on that point yesterday, something to remind you, I'll fill
you in on what that is after this, because I
caught something in that statement, and I don't know if
you if you caught, but I'll explain what it was
(18:30):
after this hang out.
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York City investment firm to develop an eight hundred acre
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other news, President Trump confirms US personnel being moved out
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them we sent you, appreciate you doing that and their
support in this program. Yeah, we had big hearings happening
election integrity. One of them last week in fact court.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
And you may seem think this is frivolous, but he
won in court because he was right. And instead the
Secretary of State is bringing decrees on these clerks and
imposing these ideas on them such that they try to
make Tim and I pay these exorbitant fees. I made
a foyer recently for about five pages of double space
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messages from the Secretary of State. They waited six months
to give it to me and charged me six hundred
and fifty dollars or something for that foy. If any
company was run this way, it would be buried in
the dirt. It would be rightfully buried in the dirt,
wait waiting there, making their shareholders wait six months for
their data, for their shareholder data.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
He's a data geek, as affectionately, I'll call him a
data geek boy.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
We'll give you some of his credentials here in just
a moment.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
But a freedom fighter braidon, Jacobotzi joins us right now,
appreciate you taking the time to testify in front of
those folks. D are the Election Integrity Committee here in Lansing,
but also to join us and give us the skinny
and the heads up on this story.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Braiden, welcome in.
Speaker 7 (21:47):
Thank you justin. It was an honor and a privilege
to be invited to that committee and to testify about
the things that we've been noticing over the last four
or five years here in our elections in Michigan. Thanks
for having me.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Absolutely, you've I want to break down some of those
because you made some interesting points that talked about a
few of those things in the in the testimony that
I think are worth note.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
But you know, one of the things.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
That that I think is is really hard to get
past is the data portion. And in your in your
testimony and your presentation, you you you brought up a
really interesting pot I'm gonna let you break down whatever
you want to break down and share with us today.
But I thought we'd just start here and and as
you were trying to get for your request and talk
about getting some of this data back, and literally this
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is checking your work. You remember when you went to school,
the math teacher would say, all right, show me your work.
I see how you get Let's see how you got
to this conclusion, that's what we're asking election officials to do,
and they have a hard time doing that. Transparency isn't
a thing, particularly with Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson. But
when you do start to add up numbers that you get,
they never really seem to flesh out. And you showed
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one slide that showed multiple discrepancies from from all sorts
of different agencies and areas, and I thought this was
worth a place to start at.
Speaker 7 (23:07):
Yeah, it's very troublesome when we first started this journey
because I kind of woke up in twenty twenty being
a poll challenger and I didn't think that I would
see anything except to have a boring day, And then
you realize that there's all these problems in the system.
And what we noticed is that when we first started
looking at this, we thought, you know, maybe the clerks
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had something to do with this, and that they were
hiding stuff from us or something like that. But as
we worked through this for the last four years, it's
been more and more indicative of a problem at the top,
where you have a leadership that's intentionally instigating problems between
clerks and people who are investigating. There is is the
public their constituents, So the clerks will get one file
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because the elections occur at a local level, justin and
so the data that you get at a local level
you would expect to be the most accurate data because
that's where the elections are actually run. But when we
look at the data from the local election, and then
that data feeds the county data, which looks at all
of the data for the whole county for the election.
Then that data from the county level feeds the state level,
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and we're finding that most of the time, without sale,
the data never matches what you see from the Secretary
of State. And so what the Secretary of State then
does is when we talk to her and say, hey,
this data doesn't add up, she then blames the clerks. Well,
the clerks have no recourse here because the clerks are
never given a receipt. Now, if I go to McDonald's,
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if I go to any restaurant or any business, doesn't
matter if they have a million dollar systems, you know,
a world class system or not, they are required to
give me a receipt. I get a receipt for exactly
what I got. But these local clerks don't even get
a receipt, so when they upload their files at the
end of an election, and so now the Secretary of
State can blame them for problems that are clearly, clearly
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seem to be happening at a state level.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
That's just unthinkable that would even be a thing. I mean,
it's just unthinkable that they don't get a receipt for
what they've up.
Speaker 7 (25:07):
Past the clerks and they say, well, we do. We
do a spot check and can you show me the
receipt so that I can prove that to the Secretary
of State that you uploaded your file on time and
that she's wrong. And they say, well, we just do
a spot check because they don't give us anything. Now,
maybe that's not true, but that's what we hear. I've
heard some multiple clerks.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Now unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
So what else have you found in the testimony the
other day that you shared. I know that Rischall Reperschel
Smith has been on this, Jay the Bowyer as well.
Folks really want to get answers in there working hard.
Thankfully now as the Republicans controlling the House, they're going
to have that opportunity. But that you weren't even allowed
to ask these questions bring these things up previously. Now
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we finally have the opportunity to do. So what are
you finding.
Speaker 7 (25:54):
Yeah, well, first of all, I want to I want
to thank Representative Smith and that entire committee for actually
doing something now about this. And what we're finding is
that even at the base fundamental levels of the file structure,
so we know that like headers and file names and
file types, that all seems really boring and mundane to people.
But if you have, like your election system is just
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a bunch of computers talking to each other at the
end of the day, when you it's a big data system,
and if you have one computer talking to another computer
and it's not having a standardized process, and in one
computer you have a set of data where column amy
is one thing, and then you have another computer where
colum amy is an entirely different thing, and then you
try to bring that data together, you're going to have
garbage data. And there's there's a phrase that they use
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in all industries, across all industries, especially data, it's garbage
in and garbage out. So right now we're paying for
this multimillion dollar election system, and it doesn't matter how
beautiful in pristine it is, doesn't matter how good the
clerks are, if they're getting garbage data into that system
and the system is not set up properly or not
designed to be set up properly, we don't know. You're
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necessarily going to get garbage data out or data that's
not trustworthy. And that's what we're seeing because you end
up with multiple versions of the truth. And that doesn't
mean that both versions are accurate. It means that whoever
gets one version is going to believe one thing, and
then the other person is going to believe another thing.
And then when they come together, like when we go
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to these clerks, you're going to be at odds with
each other unnecessarily, and it's creating a friction where you
should be working together. But now both of you end
up thinking that you're lying to each other, and that
creates a problem because now instead of pointing the finger
at the Secretary of State and the leadership where it belongs,
who is instigating this problem, you end up fighting amongst
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each other. And that's not what we want here because
it's clerks by and large just want to do a
good job.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
I think, yeah, I would say at the local level,
that's largely what I found as well, and many of
them are frustrated by this whole process.
Speaker 7 (28:00):
Yes, some of the data that we looked at, like
this isn't just a northern Michigan thing. It's not just
the west coast, East coast the Michigan thing. When we
looked at the southeast Michigan in Detroit, where you have
a huge density of population and where you would be
disenfranchising minority voters. Most this isn't a Republican or Democrat
black the white thing. It's not a male female thing.
(28:21):
But when we look at Detroit City voters, when we
look at the local, the state, and the county election data,
the numbers don't match up for the twenty twenty four elections.
We aren't just saying that this twenty twenty election was
a problem. We're looking at twenty twenty four now. We're
looking at the fact that even though all of these
things have been brought to light the last four years,
the problems don't get better and they seem to be
(28:44):
getting worse. And as we find problems, what we've noticed
is that instead of working with us, the Secretary of
State shames us and tells the clerks not to work
with us and try to shame and tell the clerks
to not work with us and then remove data from
the reports that were given to make it harder for
us to catch it. When we used to look at
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the data up until the fall of last year, we
were able to look at the voting method that somebody
used in an election, and that was key because in
the twenty twenty election, in the twenty twenty two election
is following, we were able to notice that in the
vote history files. Let's say that you voted in the
election and you voted absent. See just well, from one
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month to the next, it would shift, so it would
say you voted absen tee, and then it might say
that you didn't vote at all, and then the next
time it would say that you voted in person, and
then you know, on and on and on, and this
would happen two, three, four, or five even seven times
for one person, where the vote histories would just change inexplicably,
even though the law indicates that these qbs, these files
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have to be maintained and closed after an election within
seven days, so none of the files add up. And
the very fundamental essence of what an election is, which
is your vot is constantly being sifted and we don't
know why.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Well, Brydon Jacobatzi with this right now, you know listen,
I know this is a story that you continue to
work on. I want to ask you because we're not today.
We're not going to have this solved overnight. But part
of what we're having on for is just to is
literally just to have more awareness brought to this situation,
to raise that level up. Why is this so important
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in twenty twenty six and beyond in the state of Michigan.
Speaker 7 (30:32):
Well, it's fundamental because, like I said, the Secretary of State,
when we bring things to light, you think that we
want to work together and make things better. But instead
the reports were given are redacted information, so only a
privileged set of elite people apparently are allowed to see
the full file, which suggests that there's multiple books being
used because one person, if you go to a local clerk,
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they get one set of books that has all the
data that we need, and then if you go to
the Secretary of State, you don't get it. And the
reason why, I mean, first of all, that means that
nobody can trust the data that they're given when they're
paying for all of this stuff. However, going in at
twenty twenty six and twenty twenty eight, there are very
few attorneys and clerks and people that are willing to
work on this because they know that there is this
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kind of unity between the Attorney General and the Secretary
of State. Well, they will come down on people for
questioning this, even though all we're doing is looking at
their official data. The Attorney General, working on behalf of
the Secretary of State, admitted during it in the appellate
Court during a case that I was a plaintiff on
that if there was a law that they didn't like,
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that they would simply I think they said they would
just set it aside and just let it sit there.
So they would ignore a lot they just didn't like it,
or if it was they found it too burdensome, and
that's not the way that you can run an election
and have your election be trusted. We have an attorney
right now, Stephanie Lambert, who has to go to trial
next month, and because she was trying to aid in
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figuring out what was going on in these systems, because
clerks were looking at her and they were noticing some
of this stuff, and so they tried to get to
the bottom of it, and instead of trying to figure
out what the problem was, the Attorney General is coming
after these attorneys instead, and so it's putting. It's having
a very silencing and a deaaliterious effect on everybody, and
it's disenfranchising voters of all races and all creeds, and
(32:26):
so I guess I just want to make sure that
we highlight this before that trial in July, because there's
only a fraction of a percent of people in Michigan
that even know that this data exists and that this
is going on, and if we're supposed to have our
people go before a jury of our peers, and our
peers have no idea what the truth is, and there's
all these different, multiple versions of the truth. We need
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to make sure that they see the accurate data coming
out and that they know that if they get on
that jury pool, that we need them to have a balanced.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
View of that.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Brighton, thank you for the updates. Let me ask you,
what's the best way people want to follow you, find
out more about what you're up to and h and
maybe support the work.
Speaker 7 (33:08):
Thank you for asking. You can find me on x
My handle is at Michigan Branden at Michigan VRA D
E N or you can look up Michigan's fair elections
run by Patrise Johnson as well as Michigan District nine.
You can find them at m I District the number nine.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
We appreciate you taking the time shining some light on
this very important and again the fight continues.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Justin begain.
Speaker 7 (33:36):
Thank you so much, justin thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
You got it my pleasure, folks. Brighton Jacobots the election
integrity expert, that's what we're calling. That's, like I said,
data geek. His background was pretty impressive working at MIT,
and it brought that up at one point during that
here and there in the back and forth. I will
tell you it's a subject that needs to continue to
(33:59):
other spot China. We're going to do that in fact
this week and we have more of a look at
deep dive into the election integrity subject, the updates and
where things are going to Mike g Lindell trial that's
happening as we speak right now. They're trying to silence
him on the number of subjects. All of that and
more with our good friend Patrick Colebeck in a podcast
(34:21):
that comes out this weekend. So keep an eye out
there for it back with you and more after this,
It's West Michigan Live.
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Acusta Township, residents raising concerns about water and power usage
and environmental impacts. Governor Whitmer's unemployment website overhaul is now
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The rollout not expected until twenty twenty six, which is
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It's they remember they wiped out the entire committee, they
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and started loading in the new folks. So that's fantastic
news as always and love to see it. In fact,
I got more of that. We're gonna get into it.
The most stupid question may be asked in the White
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All time, and the reporter put in her place for it.
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We've got that the latest from those protests and the
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the riots and protests, all of that coming up in
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