EP 5 GANGS THEIR DYNAMIC & RIGHT FROM WRONG BRIAN SPEAKS

A convicted felon speaks on how we know right from wrong, his experience and the dynamics of gangs in Omaha. His quest for expungement process in Nebraska and Karly's life. Brian speaks about after parties, security and more.

Episode Transcript

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I don't understand why that many peoplewere shot and only her. She was
the most innocent thing in there.You have to remember Carly Rain and we
I don't know how, I don'tknow what that's gonna look like, but
we have to. We have tostand up for Carly Rain period. We

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have to remember her because that wasa waste, That was a wasted life.
Carly Rain Matters topics that arise ina journey through murder, three loss
and fight for change. This isfroble. I am far from mover.

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Hello again and welcome to Carly Matters. I want to do an episode and
shed some light on some of theissues that I have noticed going through all
of this process. And with Carly'smurder and gangs, we are told that

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she was in gang crossfire and thedynamic of gangs in Omaha, and the
dynamic of gangs now versus what theywere maybe when we were all younger,
were in the nineties and the eighties. And I've met some people along the
way that are obviously experts on thisor better educated on it. And the

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fact that these repeat violent offenders keepgetting let out. You know, it's
killing innocent people, and it's hinderingpublic safety, and that is one of
my biggest issues, is that thepolicymakers do not seem to have public safety

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at the forefront, and that thesystem definitely does not take account into the
law abiding citizens, and the systemseems to be built more for criminals and
catering to them. So today's episode, we're going to focus a little bit
on dynamics and things that are goingon and possibly get you fired up enough

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to write your policy makers and yourlegislatures and your Douglas County commissioners and whoever
in local government. What I'm findingis that you really can't control the national
scene and everyone gets wrapped up inthis national uh drama that they put out

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on television. Get involved with yourlocal, your city, your county because
that's where you are and that's wherethese things affect you the most. And
a lot of people don't even payattention to those things. They just check
color for color boxes, and Ithink that's by design. I think they

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want you to do that rather thaneducate yourself on these people and on the
candidates and following up with are theydoing what you voted them in to do?
So, uh, We're gonna delveinto that a little bit, and
I have a special guest coming inand let's go all right, just check

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your mic, Mike, check mytic all right, So thanks for listening.
Once again, we are doing aseries of what I hope will be
many podcasts blogcasts of things going onand policies that need changed in the Omaha
metro in UH Sarpey County, DouglasCounty, Nebraska, the country. Everything

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is seemingly out of whack from myperspective and where I'm at with and since
the loss of my daughter. Rightnow, I have my friend Brian came
in and Brian, if you cantell us a little bit about you and

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what you currently do and how yougot to do it. My name is
Brian Riley. I'm the owner andfounder of Riley Protection Group here in omahall
UH. We focus on primarily justcevilence prevention as a whole, but we
made a name for ourselves taking thethings that people wouldn't dare take when it

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came to security services, so prettymuch all the things like nightclubs and the
thing where we were dealing with,UH the most active gang members and things
like that. And how did youget into doing this. I didn't choose
security. Security chose me. That'show I'm gonna say. And I only

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say that because I I had atough upbringing and when I caught it,
I caught a case. I spoketo iHeart Radio our last time here,
and uh, I kind of explainedto them that I caught a case that
kind of shook the city. Uhand do my trials and tribulations. That's

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what landed me doing security. Prettymuch. I got introduced to a bar
downtown that I was having some problemswith a lot of fights and uh then
outside they would have shootings and uhso I assisted them and I was able
to help and combat some of thegang activity, uh through relationships that I've

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developed in a upbringing. And itworked. And that's how I was able
to be successful with security and behaving a starting a security company. So
is it safe to say that youkind of pivoted from maybe getting in trouble
to oh, maybe I can curtailtrouble. Oh yeah for sure. So

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that was my that was my upbringing, was just kind of troubled and caught
that big case. And then canyou tell us more about that? So,
yeah, I had a case inOctober eleventh, two thousand and eight.
I I was on in the areaof twenty second and Pinkney and long

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story short shots were fired at amarked vehicle that occupied to them all police
officers. That probably wasn't a funnext few months. Oh no, not
at all. Not next five years. Okay, So I was booked in.

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I was fifteen years old at thetime when that happened. I was
booked into the U Center. Iwent to court multiple times. I was
charged as an adult due to thefact that the crime was so due to
the fact that the crime was soyou could say, heinous or so serious,
I was charged as an adult.That was my first time in trouble
with the law and my last timein trouble with the law. So you

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found out real quick that you didn'tlike the jail scenario. Oh no,
that lifestyle wasn't for me. Butyou know some people, you know,
they look at that situation and belike, well, you know that's crazy
that you know, you shot atan undercover police car or or shot at
some police officers, and uh,it's it's all case by case. Like

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when when you look at it,you have to look at a case by
casing and the details of it was. You know, I was in a
very UH. I was raised ina very UH high risk gain area.
Yes, my neighborhood was a lotof jobs. Yes, my mom worked
a lot of jobs. Uh.I was actually supposed to be at homecoming

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that night, couldn't afford homecoming andended up ended up hanging, ended up
on the block with some guys thatI shouldn't have been on the block with.
Knew some of them, didn't knowmost of them. But this situation
happened, and it happened so fast, and these officers spent the block uh

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in a in a green Honda withit like a sun roof. So it
was strange. We know that wherewe're from, we were used to just
walking in the neighborhood and we wouldget shot at by cars right and shot
at, shout out, shot atby minivans, people shooting out of minivans
and all types of stuff like justbecause they see some guys were in that

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time in two thousand, two thousandand seven, two thousand and eight,
two thousand and nine, that's whenthe roughest time of games were in omahall
for for for me and my fromwhat I know, and you could be
at the basketball court and just shootinghoops and innocity kids and there'd be guys
on it. It was two sidesof the courts and other guys on the
other side of the court. Peoplewill ride by and start shooting at them

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with disregard to any youth at theat the basketball court on the other side.
So this was a normal, anormal thing where I was from,
in my neighborhood, So it wasjust it was normal for somebody to come
by and shoot it, shoot up, shoot up the neighborhood well and that
so when I was in high school, I'm gonna age myself. But in

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the nineties there was there. Therewas gangs, There was quick crips,
there was Bloods, there was EastOmaha Rats, there was Lomas, there
was I can't remember the other Hispanicgang. But when did the dynamic change?
Because they were all organized gangs whohad usually it was from what I

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know, there was certain areas thatyou couldn't sell drugs because that was their
turf and that was kind of thethings they thought about. But women and
children were off limits and there wasrules. When did the dynamic change to
we don't care, We're just gonnashoot, screw it. Whoever's in the
way is in the way. Andthey and they didn't have an accountability anymore

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because within some of the gangs theyhad accountability. Oh you hit a kid,
you hit a woman, Sorry,dude, you're going. Yeah.
Usually when you see in a ganglife, when you take when you take
uh, take the the og outor the the highest ranking member out,
there's always somebody coming up behind him. You know. I think got got

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in front of that. The Fedsgot in front of that early and took
took the whole chain of command down. So now everybody's left scrambling to where
it's just a free for all whereit was no organization, where it was
no structure, so there was ayou're telling me basically, so the old

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back in the day when when I'mspeaking of bloods and crips, when bloods
and cribs weren't friends, because apparentlynow some of them are. Like the
the Feds came in and kind ofdismantled gangs absolutely successfully in Oma. Absolutely
they did it. They did it. They did it in a rough way,
a very rough way, but sallyor or truthfully it worked, you

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know, their way, their approachto it. Even though they didn't have
the best community relations, some ofthe tactics used uh worked and they left
permanent memories for lot of us guysthat will say now today's you will say
today's gang unit or today's police departmentis a little softer on crime, when

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that ain't. Even when that's notthe case, they just they're held to
their accountability is higher. Now therewas no real accountability, so it was
just kind of like a free forall back then for them as well.
So you see where he had recklessgang members and reckless some reckless comes south
there. So so now once againthe pendulum is swinging. And you know,

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just like with with schools and coaches, you can't be too hard on
the kids. You can't tell themwhat to do. Back in the day
when parents are like, you listento your teacher, you listen to your
coach. Now it's don't tell mykid that don't do this. That coach
is too mean. The police aretoo mean. And I know everyone likes
chief because of the way he camein and held accountability to his his course,

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right, yeah, but when didthe From what I've been told by
many people, and I don't knowif you've told me too, but the
dynamics of Omaha gangs are so strangeand not like other cities. Yeah,

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now, it's it's totally different overthe last maybe like ten years. It's
it's been not about colors. Soyou can't used to be able to identify
people with certain clothing, certain ballcaps, a lot of things like that.
You can't. No more, peoplewear whatever, and it's not about

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colors anymore. You'll see cripts wearingred, blood's wearing blue. That that
that don't matter no more. Theculture of the gang life and omar has
shifted dramatic, dramatically just due tothe fact of a lot of gangs and
uh getting together with other gangs andit being one big not not because sit

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I ain't gonna say one big gang, but technically almost in a sense one
big gang. Is it more likeneighborhoods, like you know when you see
on when you see on movies.And I gotta stop right there, because
the clock just showed twelve twelve,and earlier it showed eleven to eleven,
and when you catch those those areangel numbers. So maybe Carly's stepping in

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here, is it? And Ithis is just because I'm curious about stuff.
But is it more like neighborhood becauseit's more kids definitely that are getting
in trouble. Is it more likeneighborhood small little gangs like when you see
movies on TV where it's it's kindof laughable that they're gangs. But now

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these are violent youth gangs or isit what are they holding themselves too?
Like what are they hanging out toyou? Are these organized drug gangs like
they used to be or are theyjust like want likes on Instagram and that's
it pretty much? Just it's different. You gotta think this. This generation

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of kids are getting raised by theinternet, by social media. Social media
moves these kids, if they ifit ain't nothing that if they don't gain
no attraction or no tension, Uh, they don't get likes and stuff about
it, they don't want to beyou know, they want to be a
part of the stuff that the negativeinfluenced and all the things that that that

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self destruction. So is it likeI mean, can I say TikTok gangs?
I mean, is it's a lotof these dudes are Internet thugs?
Yeah, you could say that alot of them get behind the keyboard,
and you know they'll do all thaton on social media, but in real
life when you see them, it'snot not even the same energy. It's
definitely different, definitely definitely different energythan it was back then. So there

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is no more ogs to say,hey, you guys need to quit this.
Nah, that's that. I'm notgonna say that don't exist in our
time. But it's a different it'stotally different. Now. Are you familiar
with the term green light? Yep? Can you explain that I had no
clue what it was I met.I met a guy in Vegas. You

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tell me what he means, andI'll tell you what he told me,
because I don't know. So Imet a guy in Vegas. This was
after my daughter died and I hadto go to a h A symposium,
an expo. I was talking tothis guy, and you know how Vegas
works, you'd run into people andthen you talk and then you end up

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wandering to another hotel. Long storyshort. He was cool and him and
his buddies, and then I startedtalking about Carl because I tell everyone about
her, and he was a cripfrom la I think Compton maybe. Anyway,

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I told him the story of Carlyand he didn't offer that right away,
even though I had an idea.And I told him the story of
her shooting and he said, no, no, no, yes, they'll
be green lighted. That'll be greenlight And I'm like, what is that.
He said, there's no way,there's no way. And he went

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on and I said, you knowthere's four time felons involved here. There's
this He goes and he said,the system wants us. He said,
the system doesn't want us put away. I'm a fifteen time felon, is
what this guy told me. It'slike, are you kidding me? And
I said violent? He said yeah, He said they don't want us away

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because they don't make money unless we'reout. Now, that's California might be
different. But I was like thisgreen light thing. He said, nope,
women and children are off limits andthat means green light. That means
anybody can take them out for that. And I didn't know what that meant,
so I asked some people here.They had no clue what it meant.
Well, first off, prisons makemoney, so with people in prison,

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they make money. But to yourpoint, California and Omar are two
totally different cultures, two totally differentgain cultures. And and even though somebody
may get green lighted and Cali,that'll mean they that don't mean they gonna
get green lighted here. See welive in the time now whereas did I

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have green light? Right though?Is that what it is? I don't
green light It means somebody's gonna getto go to take them out in other
words, because they didn't do thingsby code. Yeah, that don't exist
on that it don't exists here.It's uh, I don't say, I'm
not gonna say it don't exist.But accountability for there's a lot of people,

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uh that didn't get uh fair justicefrom when we came up. It's
a lot of people I could Ican name, I could name a whole
list of them just off the topof my head. I be feeling like
nobody, nobody deserves to die senselessly. Period. That's just the truth.
Like, but we also know thatwhen the life the life that we live,

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that's some of the stuff that comewith it, you understand. So
I want people to know that alot of these guys when they sign up
for that gang, like they knowthat's what comes with it. You know
that death and destruction and prison andall that stuff until they actually get into
the court room when they get arrested. And then then tables is turning in.

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This is where the the the wordsnitching come in and all this stuff
like this. But when they're outthere doing what they doing just disregard for
life. You know, they understand, they understand more than anybody will comes
with it. But some the somejust the acknowledges that the you're jam.

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So, so would you say there'sany accountability within there? Within their own
gangs? Within like one gang,is there any accountability to its members?
Yeah, and no, I'll sayI'll say no because every everything is just
everybody's just reckless. Now it's no, it's no structure in the gang.

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And then I will say yeah,because some individuals within the gang probably would
address them, but not how colleaguegangs would address they been members, like
a green light for examples. Yeah, so I guess let's say, how

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how did you meet me? Actually? I think I met you in a
three sixty empowerment network reading yep,And what were your first thoughts of this?
This redhead coming in and screaming whatI was screaming? I wasn't screaming
literally, but I feel like this, and this is the honest truth.

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There's a lot of people that arethat don't show up until something tragic happens
in their life. And I feltthe biggest thing that drew me to you,
though, was I felt a parent'scry for help. I think that

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I think that that that hurt myheart the most because it was like,
this is my way of telling you, guys, I'm not gonna let up
until I get justice for my baby. But we don't know what we'll do,
you know, with something if somethingwas to happen to our kid.
So I think it was just justfeeling your pain. I think everybody channeled

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and filter energy, and I thinkthat's the biggest thing that drew me to
you more than anything. Well,and to be honest, this, I
don't remember who told me about thisthree sixty you mean, oh no,
I know what it was. Isaw. I saw an article on they
were getting some award in this threesixty and well did that make me fired

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up? Like, wait, you'regetting an award for the lack of gun
violence in Omaha, But what happenedwith my kid? And so I immediately
when I found out they were public. I don't think people know about these
and honestly, the only people inthe room that I've been to several most

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of them are getting paid to bethere. Like where's the community, like
literal community memory. I mean there'scommunity people who are working for nonprofits and
doing their own thing, but where'sthe actual neighbors and community? And they
don't know about it? And thepeople that do know about it can't go

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in the middle of the day attwo And I asked the question I think
twice about well, how come thisisn't zoomed or recorded so people can go
watch it later, just like aDouglas County Commissioner meeting. You like the
old fashioned town hall meetings, whichis awesome, but we have these meetings
every Wednesday with partners, partners allin the room. It is open to

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the community. But you are right, a lot of people in the community
do not know or not or isnot informed about it. And I do
feel like, absolutely, I thinkthe zoom shoot we should bring the zooms
back. Not everybody can make itin person, but on the phone,
you know, any and everybody canpull that up. People need to be

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informed and know, you know,know what's going on in their community because
they got just as much steak asthe is the community partners. Yeah,
and not everybody, not everybody needsto be at a meeting, but for
a you know, they're encouraging neighborhoodwatches to form, our neighborhood associations to
form. People should be able tolog in because this three point sixty is

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really acting on their behalf to bea violence interrupter in their neighborhood. A
lot of those people may have somethingto say, but if they don't,
they just won't say anything. Andif they do, they'll they'll make time
to come to a meeting absolutely,or they'll get a hold of someone who
goes to the meeting and bring itup. So I don't understand, and
I guess I've never gotten an answeras to why these aren't put You don't

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have to show the faces of thepeople in the room, but why aren't
Why isn't the audio available? Andso the public knows about it because I
feel like that's the missing piece here, and it's like everyone else is deciding
what's best for you know, otherareas, and and you might, I

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feel like you might actually get morepeople to come forward if they feel like
there's a group like this. Possiblythey may not trust a police officer to
give them information, but they maytrust someone else from a community group.
Yeah. So anyway, then myso, my other you said something about

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where where were you last night ortoday? What did you what did you
attend? It came from Kansas City, Kansas City Common Good along with a
group called un Cornered and uh AIMfor Peace. These are Kansas City groups
that are like interventionists there are They'reall intervention prevention specialists that are grassed for

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individuals that serve the people that serve, serve everyone, but their main focus
is to disrupt gang activity, gaininggang and gun violence. And uh I
went to a seminar pretty much whereit was myself, Chrome, Leo,

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Willie Barney and Cameron and we wejust kind of they kind of wanted to
know why is how did Omaha getto the position or get to the point
of where they are. And Isaid, well, you know, I
kind of had to ruffle some feathersin that meeting, but everybody was open

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minded for the most part, andtold them, you know, the difference
between us us and you guys isthat you know, we got we got
strong community relations, and we gotstrong relations even with our police department,
with a lot of people don't have. But I think us versus them,

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they got a lot bigger problems.They're a lot bigger city, a lot
bigger city. But but you know, in a nutshell, you know,
listen, they got they had onehundred and ninety eight murders homicides. We're
at nineteen, you know, soit shows that the work that we're that
we're doing here is actually working.You know, you can even go so

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far to say, look at lookat OPD. You know, kudos OPD
for you know, we got outof the nineteen homicides, fifteen or sixteen
of them were solved. That's athat's a very high clearance rate. But
that that didn't come overnight. There'sa lot of people from back in my
time that I can name that thatnever got justice. There's a lot of

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people that never got justice. AndI think we headed in the right direction.
I think there's still a little there'salways gonna be a little pushback when
it comes to the police department.Is always gonna be a little pushback when
it comes to witnesses, only becauseof the protection of them, uh seeing
some of this stuff. But yeah, that's kind of that's kind of my

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take on on on the little meetingthat that we we came from and we
attended in uh Kansas City, Missouri. Do is there gang leaders at these?
Or is it mostly community leaders andpolice? Gang? These are gang

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leaders? These? This was awhole different energy than well than what we
see here. You got gang leaders, ex gang members x cons con however
you want to call it. Isthere is there gang dynamic different than ours?
Are they more organized? Uh?Yes? Yes, actually I want

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to say both. They they havethey got a real bad culture right now
that they're trying to get in frontof. But it just kind of from
the old old heads down to theyoung guys. You got old older guys.
You mean when I say older guys, I mean guys in their in
their forties, forties and and pushingpushing, pushing fifties on even you know,

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forty forty five, forty five ondown to the juveniles. They're all
active and that's why they city isseeing the crime rate that they see and
that's why they seeing the violence thatthey see in and a lot of it
is just uh unhealed trauma and peopleremembering what people did to them. Like

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for example, you get a youget a young guy to get sentenced,
you know, ten years for shooting, shooting and killing somebody, or shooting
somebody for example, he gets outten years later, some of the guys
on the street remember that and thenthey come back and get them attack like
like immediately. So it's it's justa lot of a lot of unhealded trauma

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that people are going through there.You know, it's a little similar to
here, but we got more controlof our streets and well and if you're
not getting so in you get putaway for ten years. If you're in
jail not getting the tools to beable to deal with emotional intelligence and your

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emotions and feelings, you're just sittingthere stewing for ten years and planning how
you're going to get even correct Absolutely, you know, I think even my
case, you know, I did, I did the crime, did the
time, came out and showed thatthat I'm truly rehabilitated. Not everybody is

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me though, And you see thishappen so often that there's a lot of
guys that sit in there that theyget arrested from from from whatever area that
they're in. They go into jail. There's no rehabilitation in jail. They're
just sitting there waiting for the timeto pass. They come back out and
come back out to the to theareas that come back out to and the

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same traumas that they're coming that theywent into right and and they inflict more
pain and more more uh violence onthe streets. So what is your experience
with restorative justice at its at itstrue form? Not people like to throw
restorative justice around and then it's halfassed programs at its true form? Do

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you know much about it? Didyou have to did you have to participate
in it for you to be rehabilitated? No, I just I just man.
The Lord. The Lord stepped inand snatch me at the right time,
and a lot of parts of thathe smacked me around, and that
was that's what I needed. Uh. The Hope Center for Kids had a
big part to play. Uh.They were they were on the big front

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of of gang intervention and prevention anduh, I actually uh became a part
of that before you even starting onsecurity company. They were the only when
they give me an opportunity when Igot out of the Youth Center. Uh
passed shout out to Pastal Tie andTerry pass King and the Hope Center for
Kids. They gave me a gaveme an opportunity, uh when no one

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else did, because I was evenme being a kid fifteen or sixteen years
old when I got out, Uh, I was sending to five years extensive
gang probation. What is that comparedto regular probation? So we still have
it? Uh? Yeah, Idon't know if we still have it.
But I had a operation officer andshe was very intentional. It was the

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craziest thing I ever seen in myYeah, she was very intentional. Uh.
She was excellent at her job.Her name was Abby Castle and shout
out, shout out Abby. Abby. Abby was on our a's or a
you know what I want to say, A S S. This is the
podcast. You can say what youwant. She was. She was on

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our asses and her approach to thejob, though, uh shaped shaped our
life. And do you at thetime did you not like her on your
ass? But now you think heror no? I was very pressitative from
the jump because man, this isaccountability that that we didn't have and and

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I never had, so h forher to come out and uh and and
bring her approach to the job waswas amazing and it kind of shaved my
life to uh to what I wantto do now. But she was you
know when you when you say probation, uh, you got you. You
walked the line of law enforcement andyou walked the side of counselor. And

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she just made sure that I wasn'tinvolved in any gang activity, which wasn't
an issue. Uh. And I'mshe but she helped me also uh secure
housing and secure uh uh a securea job with which the Hope Center was
already had a party in the stakein. But she helped me with those

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things. And I think it wasmore more anything. It was just opportunity,
you know. But there's a lotof people given opportunity and they don't
take it. You know a lotof these guys. You know that that
when we talk about X feelings andwe talk about or we talk about uh,
these guys with all these felony convictions, a lot of the stuff uh

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that they're looking for is there.It's just what either they wanted or not.
And I think that's the problem Alot of problems with our gang,
our gang members as well is thatsome of these guys they don't want to
do nothing different. You know,they don't know what the reward would be.
They don't or they don't know whatthe reward to be. But a
lot of these guys, unlike me, Uh, they're scared to go against

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the grain. I went against thegrain completely when I came out. Uh,
there I got, I got rightto business. I got, I
got a job, got back onand got a job. Uh. Stay
clear of any any any trouble.Uh what about friends? Man, if
that was the thing of the past, it wasn't. It wasn't. It
wasn't none of that because when Iwas in there, when I went in,

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none of those friends were there.He turned their back, they didn't
answer calls. You know that thatall shaped my life and they even me
going so far with my security companynow to to deal with gang members and
gang gang and game gun violence.Uh at the rood, just being so
intentional about what I do, stoppingwars from happening in the streets. You

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know, I think that's the Ithink that's the most rewarding part for what
I do. But I got theopportunity, and I was given opportunity and
I took it. I had theresources there and I took it. A
lot of these guys to shout outto the shout out again to the abbe
castos. She was a she wasa blessing for a lot of guys,

(36:31):
believe it or not, just whetherthey wanted it or not. And you
see this happens so much. Alot of these guys they think they so
sucked in to this gang life andthis is not This is not Chicago,
this is not La where it's bloodand blood out. If you want to
walk away from it, from fromit, you can walk away. A
lot of these guys choose it andthey want to stay in it. And

(36:52):
it's a lot, it's a lot. It's a lot to come with it.
Also, the thing with old gangs, right, I mean, when
you were in, you were in, that was it. You want it
out, you're done, you're dead. Yeah, there wasn't getting out.
This is choices. This is choices, absolutely, this is choices. And
you see even when some of thecareer criminals, the choices catch up,

(37:16):
you know, and they catch upwith some of ours, and and it
will sooner or later sometimes you know, doing that, it'll buy back,
you know, and doing what you'redoing, it'll buy back uh out here
in the streets, live in foulyou know. Uh, that's kind of

(37:36):
that's kind of what comes with thislife. So wouldn't you say? Okay?
So and it goes down to itsparent parenting. It's there's so many
fingers involved in this that even rightdown to schools where they take out life
skills, they take out home act, they take out shop, they take
out spelling test. Good lord,I feel like, and I've said it

(37:59):
but before, they're trying to dumbeverybody down so they can control everybody because
an uninformed and an uneducated person iseasier to control. Absolutely, And we
already know the system is built tonot help. It's built for criminals,
in my opinion, and the welfaresystem is not built for you to get

(38:22):
off of it, yep. Butit is making that choice in that leap
to step out yep. And inyour experience, isn't life much easier when
you're not just trying to run orsurvive, you're like kind of free.
Absolutely, it feels good. Iam. I completed my five year I

(38:45):
was sens to five years extensive probation. I got off a year early.
Due to good behavior and my communityand involvement with me disrupting gang activity.
So imagine that. And I've beenso total that I was fifteen when that
case happened. I'm thirty years old, so a total of fifteen years.

(39:07):
Just clear. So my next stepwas, which is a big piece that
I think we shy away from.Two is you know, people get out,
People do change, People need anopportunity. Just because you let somebody
out, that don't mean they're free. They still have a stain on their
record that stops them from going anddoing things and being great in life.

(39:30):
And so you're still, especially doingyour time outside of doing your absolutely so
even though my sentence was complete,I still wasn't free. My next step
was the Nebraska Board of Pardons,which I've been fighting for and no I'm
gonna get I'm gonna tell you alittle story about that. I've been seeking

(39:52):
a pardon for the last ten years. This is but I didn't understand at
first that you have to wait tenyears till after your sentence is complete.
My sentence was complete October of twentytwenty three. I mean have twenty thirteen

(40:13):
I'm sorry, that would make meeligible for a pardon twenty twenty three.
This is my year, my applicationis and I'm just waiting patiently. But
do you know that I still wasable to try different avenues such as I
got my criminal conviction set aside,set inside a criminal conviction, and that

(40:38):
order says all civil disabilities imposed tothe conviction are here by nullified, which
all my rights should have been restored. I shouldn't have these civil disabilities on
me, And so I challenged tostate to Nebraska. I suit to stay
in Nebraska on what ability civil disabilities? So your civil rights, those are

(41:00):
disabilities. They become disabilities when youwhen you catch a felony conviction. So
basically what I'm saying is is basicallyyou don't have rights. You lost your
rights right so you can't vote,can't vote, can't hold public office,
can't can't possess firearms. Aren't youan arm My security company is an armed

(41:21):
security company, but you're not.Absolutely, I have an armed I have
armed security company. All my guyshave to go through a training, they
all have concealed carry permits, andbut we do they do extensive it's extensive
training, uh, to be ableto carry those firearms which we do once
a month, including classwork classroom hoursthat they have to complete. So you're

(41:45):
here to tell me that I'm inpresence of a felon who does follow the
felon rules, which is, donot have a gun, do not have
ammunition, blah blah blah blah.But but I got my criminal conviction set
aside twenty thirteen, right, Soyeah, so this is what this means.

(42:06):
This is supposed to mean this,Well, my criminal conviction was.
It says all civil disabilities imposted theconviction are hereby nullified, voided, canceled
out. That means I'm no longerconsidered a convicted feling, so I should
have had my rights restore. Thatdoesn't stand up to what it says it

(42:29):
does. In Nebraska, I'm addressyou. I'm always going to address the
un the camera. And I challengedthat in federal court and it's already a
case. It was Terry versus aLeague. Long story short, I'm not
considered convicted feling, but I stillhave the the the holds on me as
if I'm a convicted feling. Well, I can vote, I can hold

(42:52):
certain licenses, but I don't haveto right to bear arms. I have
to I lost those due to afel any conviction. So the only way
to get those back would be agovernor's party executive clemency, which I've been
pursuing for years, And I evenwent so far to challenge and say to

(43:14):
the state of Nebraska, why don'twe have an expungement process to get that
criminal conviction wiped away? I gotmy criminal conviction set aside. That's what
the set aside is technically supposed todo, but it doesn't. It doesn't
do it. It just updates onthe criminal record. It shows that the
charge, and then it says setaside. And since we do not have

(43:36):
that. Yes, they have expungementsa lot most states to do. It's
only with exceptions of us and maybeone or two others. But with us
not having an expungement process, wemiss We miss out over on over a
million dollars in social services every yearfor offenders because we don't have an expungement
process. So this is very interestingbecause it's kind of a twist and at

(44:00):
you know, the other end ofthe one eighty of what I'm doing.
So I'm in there fighting for accountabilityand law. I'm fighting for uh them
to hold account criminals accountable and toput logic into law with this and here
again from a former felon, uhis a non logic into law also,

(44:25):
So it's like a gap, like, Okay, so you're telling me that
you know, I did my timeand i'm and I'm a good person now
and I haven't screwed up, andyou're you wiped away my name off the
chalkboard, but you're still holding meto punishment. And some people may agree

(44:47):
that you know, one time,that's it, you're done with guns.
But if you're going to do that, then you shouldn't say that you're not
a felon anym or because you stillfeel like one or you still have that
stigma. But at the same time, an expungement process, yes, like

(45:07):
okay, so now you're at stepfour of six and you need to go
through this and go through this anddo this and if you don't screw up
and you do it all with shiningcolors, then okay, now we've graduated
to this level. So perhaps that'sa whole other episode that we talk about
and your fight for that, becausewe really need for them to follow up

(45:31):
and allow people that they deem nolonger felons to go through whatever process to
earn their rights back. So thatmay be an entirely another episode. Let's
take a quick break and come backto this and then perhaps we'll plan an

(45:52):
entirely other episode on some of thisas well. Thank you. If you
want to follow Carly's story, followanything that we're doing, learn more about
how you can help. We havea website Carlirain dot com k r l
y r ai n dot com.I encourage you to go there. You

(46:12):
can see videos of us testifying atjudicial Judicial Committee hearings, and you can
see the story of Carly. Youcan get a little bit more of an
insight about her. We have YouTubechannels say her name Carl Rain, and
we use the hashtag say her nameCarl Rain. So please, I encourage

(46:37):
you to visit Carlirain dot com.Thank you. All right, So we're
back for part two, sitting herewith Brian Reiley, and he's telling us
about his plea or attempt to getexpungement or a pardon for his felony charge

(47:04):
from when he was fifteen and you'renow thirty. Yeah, now, some
people are gonna say, hey,a felon's a felon. They made that
choice, and those are the twoconsequences. No guns, no voting.
Yeah, but what you're saying is, well no, now they say I
can vote, but I can't havea gun. Yeah, which not everyone's
going to disagree with that. Yeah, but that's a that's some If you

(47:28):
want to get into it, youcan say, hey, that's some.
It's if you want to read intothe old racist rid of gun control,
it's like, that's kind of wecan get into that. But I don't
want to get into that. ButI feel like this it was a violent
crime. Listen, if I I'mgonna leave you with this, if I

(47:52):
didn't, well, how do yousay this? Because I'm tripping over my
words right now because I got alot going on mine and I got a
lot I want to talk about.But if if I'm not, if I'm
not rehabilitated, why why even letme out? You know what I'm saying.
If I'm not, if i'm not, if I haven't paid all my

(48:14):
disks to society, why why evenWell, I'll play devil's advocate. They're
gonna say, Okay, you haveone, you have your freedom, You're
you're not in a cell you're ableto come out, have a job,
make money, be independent. Iguess do they put you through the process

(48:34):
of Okay, did you physically shootthe gun at the cop car? Did
you physically were you trying to intentharm on cops in an unmarked vehicle?
But you knew they were cops.Nobody knew what was so you know,
so what what your what was yourintent when you did this? Nobody knew

(48:55):
what was cops. It was justanother day in the neighborhood where people,
you know, when I was plainingearlier, people ride by, people were
driving by and shooting out of vehiclesand that was the norm, and it
was it was it was a veryscary environment that I uh, that I

(49:15):
grew up in. And when theycome down to it, yeah, it's
just it was a mess. Soyeah, it's basically like, you know,
I feel like I paid my deskto society. I'm I'm free of

(49:39):
whatever. You know, I shouldbe able to live free, freely.
If I screw up again, thepunishment needs to be harder. I think
I think that now wait, now, wait, would you say the same
thing for let's say a fifteen yearold that comes out, well, who

(50:00):
murdered someone and at thirty he shouldbe able to have a gun. The
wills of justice or are slow thescale tipping. It don't lean towards black
people for me to me, butI don't think it leans towards real justice

(50:22):
anyway. Because you commit a crime. Hey listen, you take a life,
your life should be taken. AndI don't mean you be murdered,
but I mean you should have togo sit in their sale for the rest
of your life. That's justice forthat's justice for a lot of people.
It's crazy that I see some peopleget sentenced or play it down the manslaughter

(50:45):
and they do. They get atwenty year sentence, do ten and come
home and somebody lost a family member. The real justice is this, we
got a problem with the system forreal, for real, And I'm gonna
break it down to you. I'mgonna be as raw as I want to
be with this. Justice is nois not justice for black people. Street

(51:07):
justice is you kill one of mine, we kill one of yours. We
even But it don't stop there.It retaliation keeps going back and forth.
But that's the train of thought becausewhy would I want to Why would why
would you I want to see yougo to jail where you can't eat,
breathe, crap and still call hometo your family. But I gotta I

(51:29):
gotta deal with this pain forever.Yeah, that's I know you do.
I know you do, and Iwant to see you. I want to
see you, and I want tosee this say in the same spot,
is is my loved one. That'sthat's how black people think real justice is,

(51:50):
Hey, you take a life,You going to prison for life,
and hey, there's no twenty fiveto life, there's no without parole,
there's life. If you do life, you do calendar, you gonna die
in prison. You gonna die inthese words, And at that point,
what is the purpose of it Ifthey're not going to be a productive part
of society and we're just putting thebill for them. It's a life or

(52:15):
life. So here's here's my thoughton prison kind of turn in a little
bit. But prison costs should notbe as astronomical as they say they are.
Oh absolutely, prison costs should mostlybe electricity and the labor for the
guards, because in my opinion,it should be they earn their own bed,

(52:39):
meaning the work that they do tokeep that prison going, the pay
that would come to them, comesto a fund for families. Absolutely,
they are paying for their way.Plus we shouldn't have a bunch of food
costs because they can learn how togrow food, do crops, make their

(53:00):
own and learn how to plumb.And I'm sorry, I just feel like
it really shouldn't be that much ofan expense. Yeah, and what do
you do about the guy that atfifteen now with juvenile crime fourteen fifteen,

(53:21):
sixteen year olds are out murdering peoplewhen everyone else who's out here advocating for
kids and their frontal lobes aren't developed, but their premeditating murder don't care about
their own life, let alone anyoneelse's. What about those guys who,
by the way, one of oneof the guys involved with Carly's case was
involved in a murder as a juvenile, and here he is again, four

(53:44):
time fellon out to murder someone else, Okay, well or be involved in
it. I'm sorry. I mean, I will speak today and I will
say this the system, If thesystem was fair, I wouldn't be here.
And I think that speaks for anybody. You know why, because I
knew right from wrong, just likethese dudes know right from wrong. I

(54:07):
was old enough. I did whatI did. I deserved the consequences that
come with it. That's what itis at the end of the day.
A lot of people are not gonnatell you that they're gonna dance around it.
We know right from wrong, evenat sixteen years old. Yeah,
my mind is six fifteen, sixteenfifteen, sixteen years old. Ain't the

(54:27):
same as it is when I'm thirty. But I knew right from wrong,
and at the very least, atthe very least juveniles who commit murders,
yeah, or shoot someone that shouldnot be sealed. I I'm gonna get
a lot of pushback for this,but I knew right from wrong, and
I gotta take the consequences that comewith that, even if that means life

(54:52):
in prison. I took a life. If you take a life, I
didn't take a life, But ifyou take a life, that should be
the cost of that. Just likejust like me personally, I am a
toa advocate. I'm a Second Amendmentadvocate. I love the Second Amendment.
There's nothing that moves me more thana Second Amendment because it's law biding people

(55:15):
owning firearms right, and we punishthose people for the criminals that carry firearms
and that do crimes, and Ithink people shy away from it. It
really makes me, it makes meupset. But I feel like this with
me being a toa advocate, Ifeel like any person that's prohibited from carrying

(55:38):
a gun if they do something,if they get caught with a gun,
I feel like, even if you'recaught with a gun, let alone a
shooting or a homicide, if you'recaught with a firearm, you should get
five years mandatory. A lot ofpeople will put that gun down. A
lot of people will put a gundown and be like, I'm going for

(56:00):
five years just for carrying this.It's crazy and mandatory. So I was
telling this to somebody the other day. If if jails and prisons and the
correction system was doing what they needto do, we probably wouldn't even need
twenty thirty year sentences. Yeah.No, absolutely, because it's and I'm

(56:20):
I'm on both sides of this,because it's healing. It's healing the the
victim yep, well not healing thevictim, but it's healing the perpetrator and
at the same time opening up beds. But for those just heinous, the
bad guys who probably shouldn't even bebreathing right now because they're just and that's

(56:45):
far and few between how many thereactually are. They're just pure evil.
Right, Let's say they rehabilitate themselvesin jail, they get all the programs
and they're great. Guy, isn'tthere a lot of things inside within a
prison and that they could help?Absolutely, they could, they could graduate
to a different level. Absolutely.Sorry you're still sitting in here because public

(57:08):
safety is out there, but hey, good job and go help these other
young Absolutely absolutely. And that's that'sthat's what what you see you don't you're
not seeing in the prisons and stufflike that, is it's like we're running
from a mission, the mission tohelp the youth that's out here. Like

(57:29):
I love to scare straight programs stufflike that, but I put it to
you like this back to my pointof of of of the small things make
all the big difference in the world. You won't see homicides, as many
homicides, you won't see as manyshootings, you won't see have as many
juveniles caught with firearms. If youknow that you're gonna go and do five

(57:52):
years, It don't matter if it'syour very first time catching catching a gun
with a gun, bro. Putthe guns down on bro, put your
hands up like we used to doback in the day. Or learn how
to box exactly exactly. But mypoints to what is just and and that's
that's coming from a Second Amendment advocateman that I feel like gun control is

(58:15):
a is a is ridiculous. Theguns. There's people that locked their gun
stores up last night, right,they came back in and all the guns
were in in in the same spotthey left them in, loaded, and
all you're getting that guns don't shootpeople. Guns don't shoot people. Let's

(58:38):
cut it out. Guns are notthe issue. There's millions of guns in
America, millions way more than itis people. And we gotta stop putting
a blame on that gun because Icould, I could have a fireroom right
here pointing at me, one chainone in the chamber. Is if it's
manipulated, the only way it's gonnago off is if it's manipulated. We

(58:59):
gotta criminalizing guns. Well, andsomebody who wants who wants to hurt somebody
can hurt them with their bare hands, right, That's very true. That's
very true. Whatever it is yeah. And but but my point to it
is this is we got a criminaljustice problem. And and to your point,

(59:20):
we got people repeated offenders. Theyget out, they get put out
on the street. You know why, because it ain't no real time that
they're doing. Man, you ifyou know a listen, man, I'm
gonna get this loan for that.You know, it's it's just rocket science.
A you get caught with a gunfive years, right, you make
it, you make it. Youmake it hard on them. You do

(59:45):
a shooting, that's ten years.Oh, I don't give them if you
didn't hit nobody, you do ashooting, If you murder somebody, you
get your life taken away. Ifyou we go like this, gun get
called with a gun five years?You you you do a shooting without injuring
nobody, you get caught for it. It's ten years because you not only

(01:00:07):
was in possession of a firearm forthe five but you also shot. What
if it was self defense, that'sdifferent because usually it's it's different, it's
totally that's different. But then ifyou shoot somebody, that should be a
fifteen year. If you if youkill somebody, that's life. I feel
like I feel like it's only thesethis this is this is a little this

(01:00:27):
is a little thing to make peoplethink like, oh, hell no,
I'm cool. I don't even Idon't even want no gun. That'll bring
a crime rate down, right therean execution of laws. Yes, that's
right, that'll that will require executionof laws. And I know that sounds
crazy because people do do things,and like myself and and they and they

(01:00:49):
and they, they do get outand they do change, but they gotta
be given an opportunity and they gottawant it. That's what you see it
right now. You see in alot of youth and people, young people,
but they don't want it. Theyknow the laws better than some of
the cops. Not the laws.I mean, they know what they're getting
into and they know they're exactly.There's no accountability, there's street release.

(01:01:13):
That's crazy to me. So wherewhere is the gang probation? We do
need We'll have to talk to someonein probation apparently, because I need to
know if that's a thing anymore.So state probation gangs, it's only a
couple specialized UH state probation officers thattake their caseload is gang members. All

(01:01:38):
gang members, you don't come tothe MLS. They probably got called.
Would have done you involve a gangactivity or in the gang files of some
sort, or you do something revolvinga gang crime or crime. You know,
maybe I ain't gonna say a violentcrime because there's people that that's on
probation that do violent crimes, butthey'd have no ties to gangs, state

(01:02:00):
probation gangs. That that's kind ofthe definition of what they take is they
got a caseload of gang members act. It could be active, they could
be they're trying to get them,make them towardy, not active. But
yeah, but a probation officer,I mean they they they burn out fast,
they're overworked, probably underpaid. Itprobably isn't the safest I. Recently,

(01:02:27):
a probation officer stated there is abouteight hundred people that get probation that
never even show up. Do youthink they're going out and getting them now?
I can tell you I've had DUI. I was in Sarpi. I
don't know if Sarpy County is entirelydifferent. They don't play. Everyone knows

(01:02:52):
don't get a d u I SarbyCounty. You don't do nothing in Sarpy
County, Well, why can't weimplement that? And if I don't show
up for approbate, I mean,they're gonna show up and they're gonna pick
me up and you're gonna throw myass right back where I came from.
So what's the problem in Douglas County. I don't know. All I know

(01:03:15):
is this, I'm not for massincarceration, but I am for saving lives.
And the things that make sense onsaving lives are it's a couple of
different things. When you say,when you say saving license, you gotta
disrupt the people that that got illintent on taking life and that are involved

(01:03:38):
in and things that that may takea life, which is you know,
a lot of his gang gang activity, you can take a life. There's
some there. And I'm gonna saythis respectfully, it's crazy. Some of
the some of the most talented peoplecome out the gang. There's some of

(01:03:59):
the most talent of athletes, smart, smart dudes. Man. Some of
the most notorious criminals are smart.Yes, they're not challenged. It's just
some of their it's just their environmentand the lack of resources, the lack
of of of of support. Youknow, I would say it's a lack
of emotional intelligence because they don't knowhow to deal with emotion. Could be

(01:04:23):
but it could be trauma too.It's a lot of it's trauma. To
is, how would you feel ifif you were standing next to somebody that
you was once close to a bestfriend and they get gunned down? How
would that make you feel? Yeah, that it'll make you It'll make you
sad. But that that that sadnessmay turn into anger, That anger may
turn into frustration, that frustration mayturn into violence. And that's what you're

(01:04:46):
seeing on the streets in the inthe black community day because they have to
want to go get help. Yes, it's unheal trauma. But but but
you used to say that again,they have to what to get help.
But how where is that help?Where do I go for that help?
It's not in front of me.It ain't people reaching out saying hey,

(01:05:09):
I can help you. There's eighthundred numbers I don't know. I mean,
call eight hundred numbers before the opportunitythe opportunity and I mean, but
but let me not make excuses forthem too. You have to if you
really want to help, you're gonnago find it too. You gotta go.
Look, you gotta go searching.But where they're from, they just
we we were trapped in a box. We trapped in this little small neighborhood,

(01:05:33):
and our rights get trampled on.We don't know shit, we don't
know law. We think they're trapped. Yeah, and that's that's the difference,
I feel like. And that's kindof with Carly Carly Carly's videos.
Still, they're they're inspiring younger kids, like, look, you you make

(01:05:53):
the decision to choose happy, Youmake the decision to go work. You
want to learn something, you go, It's free to watch YouTube. Right,
take your face off, TikTok.Go watch a YouTube video and learn
it. Give yourself some independence becausenobody else is gonna do it for you.
That's right, that's right. AndI want to I would like to
address something. And I'm not gonnasay I'm not gonna say too much because

(01:06:21):
this case is open. I'm notgonna say too much because I don't want
to. I'm not gonna be thereason that any of these individuals that are
put on trial or convicted or orset free. But I want to say
something. And this is my takeon things. I hear a lot about

(01:06:45):
what happened at night, and Iwon't say much because it's an all go
one investigation, whatever, whatever.But I also hear people trying to justify
the some of these guys actions.One but even goes so far as to

(01:07:14):
say, well, she is inas in Carly knew what she was,
what she was there for. AndI want the world to know something.
I want everybody that that's gonna belistening to this to know something. I

(01:07:38):
don't give a damn what you doin life. I don't care how you
make money. I don't care whatyou do occupation wise. Nobody deserved to
die like that. Nobody deserves tobe gunned down. Nobody deserves to be

(01:08:02):
killed like that. Definitely there,even if it's on business time, even
if it's there on pleasure time,Nobody deserves to die. So for the
people that are that may be listeningand may have heard some things, don't

(01:08:23):
justify whatever the reason that somebody wasthere for, or or even Carly herself.
Don't justify her being there working oron pleasure, for her losing her
life, that oh she was therefor this, It doesn't matter what she

(01:08:44):
was there for. There were alot of people there on pleasure time,
that there are a lot of peoplethere. There were other girls there and
they didn't lose their life. ButI say that because I think that frustrates
me more than anything, is thatthat what happened happened. But with this

(01:09:06):
loss of life, when people tryto justify and say, hey, this
person was there doing this, shewasn't with these individuals and these girls.
They weren't there on ill and onill time. They weren't there on the
we They weren't there on ill time. They weren't there to hurt nobody.

(01:09:29):
They weren't there for this, andthey weren't there for that. Calie wasn't
armed. Carly wasn't armed. Carlydidn't get an invitation to a party and
say hey, uh come over,come over to this party and you could
you could get shot, and shegoes, okay, that didn't happen.
The invitation didn't say with a disclaimerof oh there'll be guns in the room.

(01:09:50):
In fact, there was supposed tobe security. Absolutely, And from
what I was told from someone whospecifically went to that party, who had
a CCW, he was turned awaywith his CCW and he said, well,
what do you mean I gotta Igotta permit. Nope, we ain't
letting any and then watched other peoplebe let in with guns. Now you've

(01:10:15):
been This was kind of a goodsegue because you know the people that say
ship like that, idiots. Yes, didn't know Carly have zero, have
zero sense of who she really was, and artist ignorant, Yes have you

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Carly. Carly had told me beforeabout we've discussed after hours parties and her
friend said, we don't even goto those, don't go to those.
She she never went. We woulddiscuss them, curiosity. I've been to
many parties in North Omaha growing upin South Omaha. Where should happen and

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you leave? Carly didn't have achance to leave, absolutely, and without
people speaking up, we really don'tknow exactly what happened, Like I don't
know what she shot first, becausemy guess is if your shot you freeze,
that would be you know, ifyou've never been shot before, that
would probably be your first. Likewhat the hell? But anyway, so

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these parties, guys as birthday partiesto make a dollar, yes by business
owners. I think we have toaddress the I'm gonna say the elephant.
I think we have to address thethe the real issue. I think,
I think, I think I don'twant to lose people in this. So

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we both have heard our stories andwhether they be true or not. Carly
Carly, my whole point is,Carly did not deserve to die, period,
point blank. Nobody in there deserveto be shot. Nobody in there.
Everybody that was in there deserve tocome back home to they loved ones

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the way they left. Some peoplesay that, hey, Carly came and
she came to dance, she wasthere to dance. I don't give a
share if she was there to dance. I don't give a share if she
was there to waitress. I don'tcare what it is. Nobody deserves to
die like that, definitely that,And that makes it all the worse.
That makes it all worse because somebody, when I show up to work,

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if that's what I'm doing, eventhough that may may or may not be
true, if I show up towork, I want to come back home.
I deserve to come back home.I don't got ill intent on hurting
nobody or nothing like that. AndI think that's for any and everybody to

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go to work. They they notgoing to work thinking that they last dated
they can't breathe definitely if they don'thave any ill intentions. Now, people
I can say, I can sayafter all of my research and things like
that, that isn't what she wentthere for. People have told me that
her quote unquote friends people, otherpeople at the party that I didn't even

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know, reached out. And Iknow for a fact because if she was,
there would be an entirely different outfitinvolved. There would be a bag
involved. Yeah. No, whatI think, my what I think.
I think she was invited and there'sa certain group that had wanted her to
do so, and maybe she wasgoing to see. Well what it's all

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this about? Absolutely Okay, NowI did hear she was dancing at the
time, like enjoying herself, dancingto the DJ anyway. But what I
want to address is, so theseafter hours parties, right, Yes,
these business owners are running out facilities. They're not true on the up and

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up whatever. There's probably no permits, there's there's definitely no lease agreements.
Most of them in the past hador someone maybe it was you someone else
told me most of them have security, yes, And then the question is,
well, why didn't you have securitythat night when you're supposed to.
Have you ever done security for theseparties? Yes? And do you know

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why this one in particular did nothave security, valid security, not just
some dude who could be distracted canafford it, so they say so,
and they were willing to put everyoneelse at risk, knowing full well what
these parties are about. I meanright, they're they're from down there,
they know. Yes, So whenyou have done parties like this, what's

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the vibe? A bad energy?From beginning to end or from after the
bars closed to the after hour partfrom beginning to end, you get we
get We get people from bars andclubs that's already drunk, tipsy, faded,
whatever you want to call it.And it ain't nothing good. When

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you get people it's already drunk andthey want to get more drunk when they
see someone they don't like. Yeah, and they see someone they they they
don't like. And even even youplay devil's advocate there even a lot of
these women. You can get ittaken advantage of a lot of things that
can happen. You know, afterhours should be the most secure spot in

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the city, only because some peoplewe all been there. Some people ain't
ready to go home at two afterthe club let out. Some people just
say I got this energy and Ineed to let it out, or I
would be riding around drunk somewhere.There used to be after ours clubs and
bars. Ye, no more.But they turned into war zones. And

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that's why we got to get holdof We gotta get ahead of it,
or we got it. The biggestthing is I think we gotta go back
to at two or thirty two am. Go your home, go your ass.
Oh that's what you do. Yougo home, don't it ain't it
ain't it ain't it ain't for ifyou want to do a little function or

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something, they your friends still finishthe night. Not we don't need one
hundred people a first, Yes,yes, and that's what it is.
Some people that come after hours neverpop out to clubs in the first place.
Some people that come after hours gotintent ill intent on doing something to

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somebody, right, And they probablydon't go to actual clubs because they know
they could get picked up, yeah, or they know they could it could
just be turned into the cameras.Everything true, very true. Which I
made a comment earlier today that andmaybe it's not too far off. I
don't know what the shots potter equipmentlooks like, but maybe they need to
be inside the party. Yeah,or at the very least, there has

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to be cameras at venues. AndI believe if they were legit, legit
rental businesses, they would have tohave them. Hey, I was in
Las Vegas on a terrace Crawford detailand do a security for him. Man.
Man, some of these clubs,they they require you have an I

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D hard copy I D and theyscan it through the system so you know
everybody that was in there. Hey, and guess what it's say what time
stamp that your I D got scannedright before you even go in? Yeah?
Yo, I D gets scanned anddropped in his things. Well,
guess what if we see if somethingbreak out in that club or whatever,

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we know who to We know whoto get because guess what here at the
front door where you passed the thirtycameras, that's you. That's you.
And I think that's the biggest thingis we don't have that a. You
ain't got no hard copy. Youain't getting it here. I don't want
no picture of no phone ID,none of this stuff. Even Lincoln,
Lincoln adopted Lincoln started and guys aren'tgonna Guys aren't gonna show up where they

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know that they're going to be seen. Oh yeah, of course not so
I funny brought up Terrence Crawford.I uh so. I used to love
boxing and then after a while itwas like, oh man, well this
is crazy. So my Roy JonesJunior was my favorite, and then he
didn't have anybody to box. Yeah, and then Crawford came around. I
was like, ooh, I reallylike this guy. Yeah, and I'd

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seen him before fishing and stuff.But I was supposed to go to this
last last fight because I went tothe previous one in Vegas. Yeah you
missed out. Well, I decidednot to because I was in a different
mind space with Carly and I wasn'tin the you know, I know how
to explain it when you just somedays you just break down and ball and

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you're not in that party mode.And in fact, when I went to
the previous one in Vegas, Iwent by myself, I'm not going to
wait around for people to make adecision because I want to go see Crawford
because I knew he was going tokick his ass, and you know,
I remember calling Carly that night andshe her laughing at me because I was

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like, oh, by the way, I just grabbed Crawford's belt and I
was holding it. Here's a picture, and she's like, you would,
mom. But I feel like celebritiesand I've been calling some celebrities out on
TikTok, trying to get to themto address this. And you know,

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Crawford tries with his with his mentorshipand the boxing facility, but these big,
big, big celebrities that have allthese followers, I think it's time
because it's happening in every city.Why. I mean, Travis Kelce,
Taylor Swift. I reached I screamedat them, tagged them. I tried

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to get to Stevie Nicks. Ijust feel like I tried to get to
Megan the Stallion. She was shot. Yeah, I mean that was one
of Carly's favorite artists, as wasTaylor Swift. Carly had a pretty wide
arrange. But I'm saying they understandit, but they don't speak out.
Everything's flowers and lollipops in their world. When are they going to use their

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platform to help our voices get out? Absolutely? Because it's it's everyone wants
to say, well, you gotto change the law. You gotta change
the law. And that's not gonnahappen without a huge wid don't happen until
something happened to a family or somethinghappened and that shouldn't happen. We gotta
speak up before it happened. Soman, y'all got the biggest and the

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biggest platforms. You got people thatlook up to you. All it take
is all. It takes somebody fromthe streets to change the way they move,
change the way they walk, changethe way they talk. That's major,
fully out there in the industry,like a little Dirk or something,
and people gonna be like, damn, people might stop, people might be
like, oh, he weird now, but but it'll it'll start change.

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Some people want to see change.The NBA Young Boy, for example,
is the is the the the ablessing and a curse to the industry.
He has Michael Jackson influence on theblack community. That's how crazy it is.
And his message ain't ain't the bestand uh he he He said it

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in a couple of interviews itself thatyou know I drive violence on the street,
like you know my music. They'llmake a kid pick up a gun
and go kill somebody. You gottago against the grain man. You gotta
with people like that. He knowwhat his music is doing. But then
maybe a yeah, he don't seeAnd I'm glad, I'm glad you brought

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him up to have no clue whothat is. And uh and I feel
like with him with him moving different, he gotta move different and show different.
He got big influence on on onthe black community, and these young
dudes out here everybody want to belike him. So but didn't anybody learn
anything from the big Eie, thepark, the easy e the dre and

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all the message they sent about wedid all this the West coast, East
coast, and now, nah,you gotta look at that. You gotta
look at their message too. It'stotally different than his. Their message was
the parks, the dre's, thethe easy ease and the and and the
biggies. They still was. Theyknew who the enemy was and it wasn't

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it was it was it was.It wasn't the black community, It was
the system. They knew what theend was and they and they rapped,
they rapped about that they was.That was a part. If you google
who Tupacsha teach. Yes, theywent after the system, although occasionally the

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industry tried to make it beef amongstthem, Yes, beef amongst them and
all that stuff they messaged. Themessage was real. They were revolutionaries.
These dudes. Now it's just theytalk about gang gun stuff and then these
kids acted out. So think aboutwhen Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce got together,

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right, they said that one timeshe showed up, Travis Kelsey got
like eight hundred thousand or three hundredthousand new followers. Imagine the power of
even one post from Taylor Swift aboutman Carly rain she Because Taylor Swift is
all about women's empowerment. So it'sMegan the Stallion. Where are all these

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women? Where are the women's groupspissed off that Carly got shot eight times?
Really? Imagine the difference and thechange from one mention of this and
how many more people get exposed toit and how many more victims want to
speak out. Yeah, absolutely soI challenge five fifty five angels. I

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challenge uh celebrities, any celebrities.I went to Vanilla. You know me,
I'm out there saying Carly showing Carlytelling him about Carly. Yeah,
I went to the Vanilla Ice MontelJordan ton I think it was Tone Low.
I can't remember them all. AndCarly loved Montel Jordan and I gave

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him a bracelet. I Vanilla Icecame down to me. He invited us,
you know, wanted us to goon stage. I didn't do that.
I was bawling because there's a girldancing, and I'm like, Carly
should be here. It's ridiculous.That's a whole different day. But he
came down and then I he's singinga song, and I stopped and I

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gave him one of her koozies becauseI'd given away all her bracelets, and
I said, you need to lookher up. She was shot da da
da, and he like he likesunk. And then he hugged me and
hates any singing. And but thesecelebrities, it only takes one post.
How hard is that? Y'all runthe industry, y'all run the world.

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Music, run the world, period, point blank. Y'all messages even it's
gonna even, it's gonna it's gonnatrigger something negative, or it's gonna trigger
some positive. And Carly music toCarly Man that's the world, that's the
word, that's what make us move. It is. If you shut off
music for a day, people willgo crazy. If you shut off music
for a week, people will gocrazy. Feeling inspiring it helps you cope.

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And I have reached out to mostof her favorite artists and like I
said, Carly, even her friendswho weren't into music, you would make
playlists for them. Yeah. SoI suppose we should wrap this up.
And I appreciate you coming in,and I think we have lots to talk
about as we learn more all thehot topics. Let's get it. And

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I hope that more people want tohear more. And if they do want
to hear more, please tell uswhat questions you have or what you're trying
to find out or change, orif you've got a story. Yeah.
My biggest thing is violence prevention byall means, Hey, I don't want
to see nobody die. I afflictedsome stuff on the streets and my way

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of giving back is is doing thework that I do. And some people
look at it as all just securityguard. No no, no, our
work is totally different, like thanjust contracted security, paid work. You
know a lot of the stuff thatwe do is we do a lot of
volunteer for like football games, andwe to be where the problems are going

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to be so we could disrupt themour way. And we got enough respect
and love out there to where we'vebeen able to get in front of a
lot of stuff that has happened.And I think that's that's what my heart
is with everything. Well, andlet's hope that if there is this core
group, that the accountability starts tofall into place and you can handle that

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core group, make them sit downand get a relief from you know,
I don't care if we're Kansas Cityor not where Omaha and nineteen is nineteen
too many? Nineteen is way toomany? Yeah, absolutely, which trying
to be working day in and dayout to make our community a better place
one day at a time. Allright, thank you, Okay, thank

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you for listening. Hopefully you madeit through this entire episode. It was
it was a pretty long episode,but a lot of good information, and
thank you to Brian for coming in. As always, please check out Carlyrain
dot com. Now that said,I try and update it as much as
possible, but sometimes it just getsoverwhelming with the grief and you just kind

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of got to muster up your energyto do certain things and prioritize. So
uh, there's updates on there.You can follow the YouTube channel and Facebook.
Don't forget her Facebook page. RememberCarly Rain and stand up for Carly
Rain all on Facebook. I appreciateyou listening and hopefully you'll come back again.

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Have a great day. This isBob. I'm far from over.
Helps me now think about N't tellme you haven't seen the last of me.

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Oh no, you haven't seen thelast to me,