January 26, 2024 • 37 mins
Long time radio host and personality Scott Voorhees joins us and shares some of his younger years "close calls"/ Karly's Signs vanadalized and desstroyed. Policies that havent changed.
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Standing I did plan wandering how Igot to e some episodes previously recorded.
Carly rain Matters, A journey ofgrief, loss and a fight for change.
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Hey there, everyone, I amback again, Amberwood here with a
beginning of a podcast for about mydaughter Carly Rainwood, who was murdered November
thirteenth, twenty twenty two, justattended to party, her first party actually,
and after fifteen minutes was shot eighttimes. In this process of going
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through events and legislature and court andjust everything, I keep finding things along
the way and things I want totalk about and share with the public and
share with people because most people don'tknow about all this crazy stuff. So
I want to introduce and thank ScottVorhees for being here. Longtime radio radio
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guy. Thanks Scott. Yeah,you've been a guest on my show several
times Amber, so to reverse theroles here is freaking me out a little
bit the same. Yeah, thanks, thanks for letting me hang out with
you. I'm a little nervous andthanks for being here. But I also
I'm glad that you agreed to dothis because I really appreciate the fact that
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you cared enough about Carly's story totalk about it more than once, and
that you can. Maybe you kindof gave me the platform to be able
to do this, but the encouragementand maybe tips and tricks in your veteran
radio days. Yeah, well you'retrying to call me old. Yes,
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here's the problem is that you've beendealing with this now for about thirteen months.
I've been on the radio here onnews radio eleven ten KFAB in Omaha
for seventeen years, so I guessthat provides me some level of veteran miss.
But during that time, it seemsthat every year there are unfortunately two
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or three bigger stories that are kindof along the same lines as what happened
with Carly, and families immediately saysomething needs to change, We've got to
do something, And you get twoor three of these every single year.
And what you find is that theyears then go on and then decades past,
and it seems like not only thingsnot really change in some instances,
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it feels like things have gotten worse. That we're doing less protecting of innocent
people, we're there less for familiessuch as yours, and it's really easy
to get frustrated by it. What'syour life level of frustration. Here thirteen
months into this process, I wouldsay on a scale of one to ten,
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I'm probably at a twenty five.Yeah, you're down to twenty five,
down better than maybe I'm just beingnice to. But honestly, it
depends on which branch of this you'reon, and the levels change, and
daily you're the ability to deal withcertain things or not deal with and just
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shut it down, or you know, something as simple as like we just
talked about my Carly's yard signs beingkicked and vandalized and stolen in the front
yard. Like I mean, thattriggered me more than anything. It was
almost like PTSD and I wouldn't expectthat their yard signs. But there's a
lot of things behind that. Andthen you add on Christmas and she was
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just killed November, so that was, you know, getting through Thanksgiving and
now we're going into Christmas and it'sjust it's one thing after another, and
then there's things that you aren't ableto do that you want to do,
and that is always funding and peoplejust never know what they're doing and and
it just makes me upset because they'rejuveniles. It wasn't a political sign and
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just like Carly they weren't bothering anybody, and they were destroyed and kicked,
and so Jesus, it's my showand I'm already crying. Thanks Scott.
Yeah, well, I gotta understand. I mean, people who don't know
you didn't know Carly. They hada strong reaction to that story because it's
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just further violation, you know,for someone to come on to your property
and do something to things that meanso much to you, especially to see
these probably kids, they look likemiddle school kids, just neighborhood jackasses who
just thought, like, wouldn't itbe funny to go over there and trash
someone's yard real quick, you know, rather than smashing pumpkins and Halloween,
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they're gonna mess up your Christmas decorations. Well, those decorations included your daughter's
face. And to see them outthere trashing that, kicking at it,
it's a violation. And you know, I was talking about this on the
radio, saying, you know,I couldn't imagine I've got a middle school
age son. I couldn't imagine findingout that my son had been involved in
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that. But I can tell youthat if I found out that my kid
were involved, we'd go over toyour house and say, hey, Amber,
just letting you know that for thenext five or so years that this
kid lives in my house in ourneighborhood, you will never have to worry
about shoveling snow in your driveway.Your lawn is taken care of. We're
going to get that mode for you. You won't have to rake a single
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leaf because apparently my son's got plentyof energy and we need to direct it
in a positive way. So you'reset for the next five years. And
I hope that that happens for you. Yeah, I just hope that people.
You know, and I know thatboy. I never had boys,
but I know that boys get rambunctuousand they like to do things. But
I that was just straight destruction andmy kids would never have done that.
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Like, I don't understand what ifthat kid is so frustrated that he feels
he needs to go kick a signor I have a theory that it could
be a person from a neighborhood acrossthe way who speeds across the in front
of the house and then you know, their kids heard that they're upset because
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we yell at them for speeding,and then they decide, oh, I'm
going to go do this. Whateverit is, it's I take it to
the parents. Yeah. Well itall speaks to just kind of this giant
umbrella conversation that you and I havebeen having, that you've been dealing with
for thirteen months now, and thatis the level of connectivity between human beings
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is I hope not hopelessly, butit is fractured. So that means that
you see something that doesn't belong toyou, and you don't think of who
lives there, what their connection isto that which is decorating their yard.
You just think, like, wouldn'tit be funny make my friends laugh to
go over there and act like this? Or the police come talk to you
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and say what did you see?Oh? I don't I'm not going to
talk to the police. That wouldnot be good for me, or that's
not something I want to do.I'm not going to talk to the cops
and care nothing about families like yourswho need answers. Who who I mean?
There was just a story here inOmaha this past weekend. Some guys
that get kicked out of the barclosing time at two am, and these
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guys are fighting each other and oneguy pulls a knife if a security guard
jumps into him to potentially save aguy's life, and he probably saved this
guy's life. Twenty year old securityguard got stabbed for trying to help this
guy. Thankfully, security guard isgoing to be okay, he didn't die.
But the police show up there andhere's this guy's got cuts on his
face in the back of his head, had his life saved by the security
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guard. The guy with the knifetakes off and they talk to the victim
on the ground there and say whatdetails can you give us, and do
you want to press charges so wecan go get this guy. And the
victim who just had his life potentiallysaved by the security guard, suddenly was
struck stricken with amnesia, was veryuncooperative, didn't want to talk to the
cops, which is another way ofonce again destroying this guy that just stepped
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in there to try and save hislife and potentially did, and he doesn't.
He's not have the courtesy to turnaround and give some cops any information
they might have about who he washanging out with, who he was talking
with in the bar. I mean, there's a level of human decency that
we just don't have I feel likethe world is backwards, like we're in
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one of them twilight zones. Thateven with Carly, what was she doing.
She was at her first party frompeople who invited her. Obviously she
thought she should be saved because Carlyis smart like that. And then the
teen minutes and shot eight times,and then no one in over seventy people
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there can speak up for the girlwho they all say they liked. It
doesn't make sense. Plus, you'vegot felons with guns who clearly have proven
over and over that they're not goingto abide by the rules, but yet
we keep letting them out. Andthen the fact that you these humans,
if that's what you're going to callthem, don't care about who they hit
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in the middle. You know,even back in the day, like when
you and I were younger, atleast gangs tried to hit their target.
They weren't always successful, certainly,but you're right, not everyone in that
room had the You need to havethe ability or thought that if things suddenly
get out of hand here, youknow, I've got something to protect myself
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and just start blindly shooting the round. There are people there who were ready
just to hang out with their friendshave fun. And when you have so
many people there, I didn't knowit was seventy. The number is fifty
to seven. Wow. And forthem, which again, if that happened,
if it was fifty to seventy,I've been in that room. I've
been in that building several times.I don't understand why there isn't ten dead
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people, right, it was avery small space. Yeah, to have
to not have people step up there, like you said, for someone that
they said, oh yeah, wereally liked her. What do you want
to tell the cops everything you know? Oh no, I don't want to
talk to the cops. Like what. I understand that. How many times
I keep hearing, well, that'sthe culture or that's the they're fearing for
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their own safety. But history shows, and I've checked with the police and
that that is very rare. Yeah, well, there's certainly retribution out there,
but I think that the small percentageof retribution is dwarfed by the violent
crime that is continually perpetrated by thepeople who are incarcerated and put away to
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deal with these crimes. If wedon't have witnesses step up, talk to
the police and lead to an arrest, that can lead to a prosecution to
keep a dangerous person off the streetswhen that person is continually out committing crime
after crime after crime. How manypeople are robbed, how many cars are
stolen, how many kids are solddrugs to, how many people are murdered,
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compared to this thought that, well, I saw a TV show and
there's going to be retribution. Woor someone told me that growing up.
Yeah, I'm sorry. Doing theright thing is not the easiest thing in
the world. But these are theconsequences you have to lay out. And
the truth is is that our streetsare terrorized by a very small percentage of
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people, each of whom have committedcrimes that witnesses decline to tell police about,
even anonymously. You can do thisin some instance and it escalates.
That's the thing. Oh it wasonly a car jacking. Oh we only
stole a car, Oh we onlybroke into a house. Then next is
what? But at that point,I'm sorry, all gloves are up off
when there's a dead girl on theground like that did nothing to no one.
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So I don't understand that level ofhumanity either. Where are the men,
the men who used to step upthere and be there or people in
need. Yeah, I don't know. And that's what as I go through
this process and learn about laws thatthe phrase law there's no logic in law
anymore keeps popping out of my mouth. So where are we compared? You
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know now, in December of twentytwenty three, thirteen months after this,
do you feel like you're any closerto making a change so that families like
yours hopefully won't have to deal withthis. I guess I have ups and
downs in that, but I wouldsay that yes, we have started to
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swing a pendulum because apparently in twentysome years of the Judiciary Committee, I
was told by a senator that theyhad never heard from a victim, which
is insane to me. So that'sthat's what they told me. But at
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the same time, I have seenon our local level other moms say oh
well, now I want to talkor they kind of meet up with me.
And I think that we did convincesome of the commissioners to say,
all right, this doesn't make anysense. This other building's too small.
The juvenile center that they wanted toopen for I think it was even over
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less than I think it was fiftysix beds versus one hundred and twenty something,
but we did. That's a smallwin. I guess that they kept
it open and good thing because thenthen two weeks I think it was one
hundred and five the kids in there. As far as justice for Carly,
No, that's a whole different clownshow that I've been watching. And every
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time, you know, I havepeople in my circle that say, uh
oh, you just need to moveon or you need to process this and
move ahead, and that they're notunderstanding is one. We don't even have
all the guys in two. Everysingle hearing, every single court date,
every single trial date rips it backopen, and so far it's been shenanigans
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that we still have not gone totrial after this long when the suspect wants
a speedy trial, which is sixmonths. Six months was November. Well,
now we're into all kinds of shenanigans, which is a whole nother show.
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And I'm honestly never going to beable to get to that level of
grief that maybe someone has when theirgrandma dies or you know, something like
that, and proceed that way untilall of that is done. And I
don't know if I ever will becausewe still don't have the two other guys
that shot her. So people haveno idea what to say to someone who's
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been through what you've been through,and you know they're trying to help and
say, well, I hope youcan find peace. Well, it's easier
said than done, and people you'regonna have to grant them some grace as
well. I can tell you whatnot to say, what not to say.
After the news aired last night aboutCarly's yard signs, I got an
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email on her account that we've beendoing for her memorial stuff. If she
was not hanging around all those blacks, I guarantee that she would be here
today. White girls, listen andstay in your own and this won't happen
to you. So this is fromprobably a fake account, But that's some
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of the ignorance that I get outsideof you know, like the night of
the Omaha scanner and the comments easyto say behind a computer. But this
isn't about race, but it issomething that I run into a lot from
both sides. I run into racialcomments like that on both sides. But
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Carly was accepted by everybody, andshe accepted everybody, and I have never
once run around and said, youknow, oh, black guys shot No,
I say felons, because that's whatthey are. And at some point
that's the problem, you know,Carly. Carly went to visit friends and
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the party was in north Omaha.So what north Omaha, West Omaha.
I'm in West Omaha. My yard'sgetting vandalized. There's shootings and stabbings.
It doesn't matter. We're all Omaha. And that's something I've been fighting this
entire time. And then to seethat it's still coming in front in front
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of my face. It's probably thesame few people who have sent you messages
like that, but it's how manytimes do you get that? On shows?
When you see feedback and well,you know, I host a news
talk radio show here in Omaha.A variety of subjects come up, and
every once in a while, whetherit's you know, racism against blacks,
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or some people who want to criticizeeither Muslims or Jews based on what's going
on in the Middle East, ifit's something out of bounds, Like if
I get a message like that,and I have received messages that are just
straight up racist, I got it. I just write, click on the
message, block sender and go onwith my life because I've tried other debate,
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you know, tried shaming this person. What they want to do is
drag you down to their level,and I got stuff to do. I
don't have time for that. SoI just block Cender and after about fifteen
minutes or so, I'm not eventhinking about that email anymore. Right now,
That's what works for me, andI hope that you'll find something that
works for you. If you're goingto receive messages like that, you're going
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to see things like that, You'regoing to see, you know, horrible
things because it's people online, thesekeyboard warriors hiding behind the anonymity, and
there's some horrible people out there.And I on the on the comments on
social media and things I mean tome, they just look ignorant because they
didn't know Carly, And if theyknew Carly for two seconds, they would
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not be thinking that of her,and they wouldn't think some of the stuff
that they say. So that doesn'treally bother me. It's just there's there's
a fine line between Like I lookat celebrities like Okay, Taylor Swift,
Travis, They're all in their happyland and they all want to be happy
all the time and give that energyand vibe. But sometimes I feel like,
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because they have the platform, theyneed to also come back to reality
and share what's really going on inthe world sometimes, And like Megan the
Stallion is exactly one because she wasshot and it was traumatic for her,
and I just wish that celebrities sometimeswould speak up for victims and get those
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messages out and speak against not gunviolence, but speak against the system that
seems to be built for criminals.Yeah. I understand what you're saying,
and certainly enough of them do speakout. When it comes to political things.
Vote for this candidate, I hatethis candidate. They know that kind
of thing. You would wish thatyou could focus that on something they might
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be to have more of an impacton. But for me, I don't
need to. If a celebrity isnot already inclined to get involved in something,
I don't need them to do anythingother than just do their entertainment,
you know, whether it's sports,music, acting, or whatever. Because
you and me and a lot ofother people's with whatever we're dealing with,
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sometimes it's nice just to turn yourbrain off for an hour and a half
and listen to music, or watcha movie or something like that. Binge
watch a TV show and I don'tnecessarily need to see every single person on
there and think, oh, there'sthis celebrity and he or she spoke about
this, and then suddenly I'm gettingdragged back into an issue and not just
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laughing at some stupid TV show.I need that relief in my brain.
Yeah, And that's what makes me. It's when they come out of their
lane, so to speak, andthey're speaking on things passionately about. It's
like, no, even when theNFL did it, You're like, no,
I just came here to watch it. I mean, yeah, can
I just you know, it's America. You can't watch a football game,
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you can't listen to music, youcan't drink a beer without it being political
anymore. Like, hey, youguys are ruining everything right like, and
I with grief, I have toturn off my brain a lot, and
I try. And you know,which makes you realize that the phrase they
want to dumb you down with TVis true because I'm going to it too
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dumb down good. But last nightit didn't. Because now you see things
like this lady went through childbirth andthen I remembered being in childbirth with Carly
and then I remember She's not gonnahave it, and then I'm bawling hysterically.
Or you see another law show whichI used to love watching those,
and somebody comes in shot and you'rejust going, where do I get away
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from just? I mean, Iguess it could go sit. I like
water, I'll sit in water.But I liked you. Know what you
were saying is what it comes intothat when these people just randomly say things,
and that didn't benefit anybody. SoI guess I wanted to ask you.
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Uh so you were nice enough tohost our Carly's celebration of life on
what would have been her twenty firstbirthday, and what do you think of
that event? Big crowd and areally diverse crowd. I saw some of
Carly's friends, saw some of yourfriends there, some people we know,
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but also we had at the time, So Senator Pete Ricus, I think
you was still senator at that time. You know the Douglas County Sheriff Aaron
Hanson there, at member of citycouncil Amy Melton was there, and you
know some people who just heard aboutit and just wanted to support you.
And it was. There were alot of tears and a lot of laughter
that day with some of the storiesand the pictures and the videos and everything
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you had, and it's important toget together and do things like that.
I'm glad that so many people werethere for you that day. I liked
that you brought the humor because youwere talking about you went to a different
celebrational life right before for an olderjail. Oh, yeah's right. Yeah.
I came to your event right aftera guy who was eighty something had
just passed away, and a verydifferent feeling right there. But at the
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same time at that thing, thoseguys were sitting there, they were toasting
him by downing a bottle of jamisonat this event for this, you know,
buddy of theirs, and I don'tknow that was all just jamison,
but there were some people who werelike, need a drink and need it
now, you know. So there, you know, people were coping.
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There's there's there are ways to cometogether and cope, and it was nice
to have people doing that at bothevents. Do you have any tips and
tricks of the trade, So whenI try and start to do this on
a regular basis, that because Ihave some I have some awesome people lined
up that want to come talk andand recently I've connected with probably twenty different
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moms or family members across the countrywho are in the same boat as me.
Yeah. Uh. Tip number one, turn your phone off when you
don't hear I did that. I'min the background, of course you did.
The biggest tip I can give anyonefor doing something like this is going
to be the easiest thing for youto do amber and that is be your
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authentic self. Since I've known youfor years now, you are so authentically
you and whatever it is you're feelingat that time is going to be what
we're going to get. And that'swhat people love about you and just or
hate. Bring that well, youknow, I hope they're listening, but
whatever. Yeah, just just bringthat onto this forum and continue to be
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an agent for positive change here.Well, I'm hoping we can do that
for sure. I hope to getthe foundation started. I already have events
lined up and I'm going to revealone right now. What do you think?
What are we doing? I wantto create a foundation, and the
first event I want to do inCarly's honor, because one we missed the
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holidays with her too. It's herfavorite holiday. Three She loved Christmas trees,
and that comes from my grandmother,who's ninety six. Is have a
Christmas tree walk and have companies sponsortrees and do like a expose you could
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say, competition, kind of likefloats, but make them Christmas trees at
this big event. And then whenthey sponsor that tree, people can bid
on it. And then at theend of the bidding there's going to be
all kinds of changes, I'm sure, But I would like to be able
to give a Christmas tree to afamily who didn't have one. We can
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wrap it in cellophane and deliver itjust like that. I love that idea.
I've seen some Christmas tree decorating competitionsand people get so creative, right,
You've seen a couple dozen, Andjust when you think, well,
I think I think we've run ofcreative ideas on what you can do with
the tree, then you look toyour right and there's something you'd never even
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thought of before that you could dowith a Christmas tree, right, And
it's it's such a great palette forartists to be able to do something like
that and to auction them off.So people are getting this one of a
kind thing. I hope you canmake a lot of money. It's great.
Hopefully, hopefully it'll work out.We'll figure it out. Yeah,
So I did want to ask youone other thing. So when we're coming
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up with topics, obviously a lotof a lot of the topics that you
use our current events or current tragedies. But when I have these guests come,
part of me wants I kind ofwant to just let them go.
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I mean, I can direct them, but I kind of as long as
the information is still coming out,do you think there's an audience for just
straight up information? Because that's likethe I started something on TikTok called did
you know of all the things I'mlearning that? I was like, what,
so, is that something you thinkwould fly? Or do I have
to be precise and cut it down? Oh jeez. The radio boss would
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be like, all right, yougot to be as efficient with your words
as possible and no rambling anything likethat. Just you know, hit the
punch and get right back to thenext thing or whatever. The nice thing
about a podcast forum is you're notlike and we got to take a break,
which I hate doing with you whenyou're on my radio show on KFAB,
like, We'll get to this reallysincere emotional point and I'll be like,
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and we'll be right back. Youknow, you know you don't have
to do that here. If someonejust needs to talk, it might be
rambling. We all do that.I might be doing that right now.
That's as I keep using the termauthentic, which we don't have enough of
in society. And I think anytimeyou can tap into something like that,
let it go, let it happen. And then my last question to you
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is, since you've, like yousaid, these stories come along every so
often, you've talked about a lotof tragedies, a lot of local stuff,
and it keeps happening or it's gettingworse. And I think mostly on
the juvenile level. You know,the older guys are saying, hey,
kid, do this because you don'tget in trouble, and they're not.
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What was different about Carly's story otherthan because you never met her? But
what was different to you or howdid it impact to you? Or do
you remember where you were when youheard it, or what well her story
was different compared to other crimes.And there have been some others who I
can I would put this in thesame boat, and it comes out of
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like I could see myself in thissituation now. If someone is like going
into rob a place or you know, and you know, shoots one of
his partners, something like the drugdeal gone wrong, or you know,
something like that, sometimes it's kindof hard to see you or you know,
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your own kid in a situation likethat. I think about Carly.
I think about Chris Gradoville, whowas the Creighton baseball guy who was just
you know, out working, youknow, early in the morning, helping
some people out and ended up gettingshot for it. I think about Carly,
and I think about a few ofthe situations I've been in my own
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life. And this is where Carly'sstory I've been able to really think about
personally because the email you got from, well, she wasn't hanging around with
criminals or whatever. You know.There have been some situations in my life
where I've been in a spot withpeople who were bad news, or I
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was hanging out with friends and weended up someplace, or I ended up
wandering off by myself and suddenly I'mlooking around, going what am I doing
here? And I'm looking around thepeople I'm with going how did I get
here? How is this going toend? And I think, let's say
I was at There was one pointwhen I was living in a small studio
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apartment in downtown Omaha because I couldn'tafford anything else. I was just starting
off in radio. They don't payus a whole heck of a lot.
I was living in They don't andsales guys that make all the money.
So I'm living in a place thatI was paying two twenty five a month
to live in a place that wascalled crack House Row. And it was
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my first apartment and I loved it. I was so happy there. One
night, someone's knocking on my doorat three o'clock in the morning. It's
this girl who's I don't know,drunk or cracked out or whatever. And
I said, tell you what,I need to go to work right now.
Let me drive you where you needto go. Come on, let's
go. Because this girl, Ididn't know what was going to happen to
her. So I put her inthe car and we're driving and there's some
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guys hanging out in the street cornerand she's like, I know these guys,
pull over. I'm like oh jeez. So now one of these guys
get to the car and I'm drivinghim around, and so I don't know.
These people weren't, you know,scouts, they weren't clergymen. You
know, this was an interesting element. They're in my car. One of
them could have very easily said,and you know what, we don't need
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you to drive anymore. I'm gonnashoot you, steal your car and go.
Well. Then the next day theheadline is is that I've been killed,
I've been carjacked, And people wouldlook at that and go, wow,
what was Scott doing out at threepoint thirty in the morning with a
drug dealer and a gang member inhis car? Because I don't know.
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I was trying to do the rightthing, and suddenly I was like,
I don't know, this is goingto end up right now. Thankfully I
ended up dropping her off over hereand him off over there. A guy
named Marvin. He said, myfriends called me back door. You can
call me back door. I said, pleasure meeting you back door. You
have a wonderful day. And Idrove off by myself, going heck of
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a story. But had that notgone that way, people would have said
the same thing. Not knowing whatthey're talking about. What was he doing
hanging out with them? Like you'regetting what is Carly doing hanging out with
them? They don't know her,they don't know how this works. Maybe
they've never been in that situation.Most of us have been, and some
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of us have gotten luckier than others. So with Carly's story, that's one
where I can see my daughter beingtrusting, innocent, hanging out with friends.
Oh, I know someone who's havinga party over here, let's go
well, okay, yeah, andending up in the middle of that,
and everyone thinking, well, she'sa sweetheart, because she is. You
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know, obviously I thought a lotabout what happened to your daughter, and
you know, and it could beanybody. And I feel guilty telling you
this because my stories don't end upthe same way your story does. There's
no guilt in it. We wantto hear the stories. We just you
know, honestly, it's the peoplethat just disappear that you're like, oh,
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well, I thought that person wasgonna stick and I We all have
our stories of places maybe we shouldn'thave been, Or there's a fight in
the yard and there's a knife andyou're like Okay, gotta go. She
didn't even have the chance to saygotta go. She's only there fifteen minutes.
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And I'm mad at the universe becauseit was her first Like, why
didn't she get the chance to go? You know what? This probably isn't
where I want to hang out allthe time, because she knew it.
We discussed parties, and the moreyou tell a kid no, eventually they're
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gonna find I mean, we allexplored, oh yeah, so you know,
and if she if she said,guys, I got to oh,
I'm gonna go out and catch youn uber and get the heck out of
here, well, then you knowshe they're like, oh, little miss
goody two shoes things, she can'thang out with us? What's your problem?
And you're trying to find a gracefulway out of the situation, and
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you know what, that's why shewent. So she had never ever ever
gone out to those because even friendswho lived down there told her the friends
that weren't there, they were justnone of those friends were around that night
for some reason. They were outof town or somewhere. But they used
to say, don't go to them, Yeah, nothing good, don't go
to them. I used to tellher that, and she kept talking about
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it, and I'm like, she'slike, just be glad I don't go
to those parties. And I'd say, you should be glad you don't go
to those parties. Well, andand here's the worst thing about it,
and a great message for other youngwomen and young guys as well, the
people you're trying to impress by nottrying to find a way out of the
situation or guys I don't want togo there, and they'd be like,
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oh, you're a loser, youknow you're you know this that whatever.
The people you're trying to impress aregoing to be the same ones that if
you end up getting in trouble andthe cops show up yep, and they
can give information that would lead policeto an arrest, are going to be
the same ones that are not goingto talk to those cops. And these
are the people that you're trying toimpress. I hope people really think about
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that. And that's and I don'tthink carl was trying to impress anyone.
I think that she was trying tosupport and not be that girl that never
comes down and never shows up,and that she specifically said to someone that
night when they were all shocked thatshe got there. She's I'm here,
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and then she said I'm not stayinglong. Yeah, and she Carly would
never in a million years when shewent to that to support these friends or
these people think if she ended updead that they would not talk to the
police. That's not a friend noon any level. I mean, I
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I don't care where I am.If I think that that shooter is gonna
come back after me, I'm talkingbecause I want him captured. Now.
The next show I talk on isgonna be hard. They gonna let him
go again because they do. Ihope you do more of these shows,
so I plan on it, andI appreciate your help and hopefully we get
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video added. I got little stands. I'm gonna put phones up, and
you're going to need a better lookingguest than me. Oh. He's always
mean to himself. That's because Ihave mirror z amber Ah. Thank you
for letting me. Thank you thisconversation. I appreciate your time and everybody
listened to kfab On iHeart thank youanytime on this show. Thanks all right,
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Thanks Scott. You don't love me, you don't come me so fast.
I'm being bad to my knees andI'm being closed. I pa lost
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the pot. I'll break in,but I can't take it. I'll get
it back back on mathet. Thisis wrong from lover. I won't see the last
Standing I did plan wandering how Igot to e some episodes previously recorded.
Carly rain Matters, A journey ofgrief, loss and a fight for change.
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Hey there, everyone, I amback again, Amberwood here with a
beginning of a podcast for about mydaughter Carly Rainwood, who was murdered November
thirteenth, twenty twenty two, justattended to party, her first party actually,
and after fifteen minutes was shot eighttimes. In this process of going
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through events and legislature and court andjust everything, I keep finding things along
the way and things I want totalk about and share with the public and
share with people because most people don'tknow about all this crazy stuff. So
I want to introduce and thank ScottVorhees for being here. Longtime radio radio
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guy. Thanks Scott. Yeah,you've been a guest on my show several
times Amber, so to reverse theroles here is freaking me out a little
bit the same. Yeah, thanks, thanks for letting me hang out with
you. I'm a little nervous andthanks for being here. But I also
I'm glad that you agreed to dothis because I really appreciate the fact that
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you cared enough about Carly's story totalk about it more than once, and
that you can. Maybe you kindof gave me the platform to be able
to do this, but the encouragementand maybe tips and tricks in your veteran
radio days. Yeah, well you'retrying to call me old. Yes,
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here's the problem is that you've beendealing with this now for about thirteen months.
I've been on the radio here onnews radio eleven ten KFAB in Omaha
for seventeen years, so I guessthat provides me some level of veteran miss.
But during that time, it seemsthat every year there are unfortunately two
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or three bigger stories that are kindof along the same lines as what happened
with Carly, and families immediately saysomething needs to change, We've got to
do something, And you get twoor three of these every single year.
And what you find is that theyears then go on and then decades past,
and it seems like not only thingsnot really change in some instances,
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it feels like things have gotten worse. That we're doing less protecting of innocent
people, we're there less for familiessuch as yours, and it's really easy
to get frustrated by it. What'syour life level of frustration. Here thirteen
months into this process, I wouldsay on a scale of one to ten,
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I'm probably at a twenty five.Yeah, you're down to twenty five,
down better than maybe I'm just beingnice to. But honestly, it
depends on which branch of this you'reon, and the levels change, and
daily you're the ability to deal withcertain things or not deal with and just
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shut it down, or you know, something as simple as like we just
talked about my Carly's yard signs beingkicked and vandalized and stolen in the front
yard. Like I mean, thattriggered me more than anything. It was
almost like PTSD and I wouldn't expectthat their yard signs. But there's a
lot of things behind that. Andthen you add on Christmas and she was
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just killed November, so that was, you know, getting through Thanksgiving and
now we're going into Christmas and it'sjust it's one thing after another, and
then there's things that you aren't ableto do that you want to do,
and that is always funding and peoplejust never know what they're doing and and
it just makes me upset because they'rejuveniles. It wasn't a political sign and
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just like Carly they weren't bothering anybody, and they were destroyed and kicked,
and so Jesus, it's my showand I'm already crying. Thanks Scott.
Yeah, well, I gotta understand. I mean, people who don't know
you didn't know Carly. They hada strong reaction to that story because it's
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just further violation, you know,for someone to come on to your property
and do something to things that meanso much to you, especially to see
these probably kids, they look likemiddle school kids, just neighborhood jackasses who
just thought, like, wouldn't itbe funny to go over there and trash
someone's yard real quick, you know, rather than smashing pumpkins and Halloween,
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they're gonna mess up your Christmas decorations. Well, those decorations included your daughter's
face. And to see them outthere trashing that, kicking at it,
it's a violation. And you know, I was talking about this on the
radio, saying, you know,I couldn't imagine I've got a middle school
age son. I couldn't imagine findingout that my son had been involved in
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that. But I can tell youthat if I found out that my kid
were involved, we'd go over toyour house and say, hey, Amber,
just letting you know that for thenext five or so years that this
kid lives in my house in ourneighborhood, you will never have to worry
about shoveling snow in your driveway.Your lawn is taken care of. We're
going to get that mode for you. You won't have to rake a single
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leaf because apparently my son's got plentyof energy and we need to direct it
in a positive way. So you'reset for the next five years. And
I hope that that happens for you. Yeah, I just hope that people.
You know, and I know thatboy. I never had boys,
but I know that boys get rambunctuousand they like to do things. But
I that was just straight destruction andmy kids would never have done that.
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Like, I don't understand what ifthat kid is so frustrated that he feels
he needs to go kick a signor I have a theory that it could
be a person from a neighborhood acrossthe way who speeds across the in front
of the house and then you know, their kids heard that they're upset because
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we yell at them for speeding,and then they decide, oh, I'm
going to go do this. Whateverit is, it's I take it to
the parents. Yeah. Well itall speaks to just kind of this giant
umbrella conversation that you and I havebeen having, that you've been dealing with
for thirteen months now, and thatis the level of connectivity between human beings
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is I hope not hopelessly, butit is fractured. So that means that
you see something that doesn't belong toyou, and you don't think of who
lives there, what their connection isto that which is decorating their yard.
You just think, like, wouldn'tit be funny make my friends laugh to
go over there and act like this? Or the police come talk to you
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and say what did you see?Oh? I don't I'm not going to
talk to the police. That wouldnot be good for me, or that's
not something I want to do.I'm not going to talk to the cops
and care nothing about families like yourswho need answers. Who who I mean?
There was just a story here inOmaha this past weekend. Some guys
that get kicked out of the barclosing time at two am, and these
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guys are fighting each other and oneguy pulls a knife if a security guard
jumps into him to potentially save aguy's life, and he probably saved this
guy's life. Twenty year old securityguard got stabbed for trying to help this
guy. Thankfully, security guard isgoing to be okay, he didn't die.
But the police show up there andhere's this guy's got cuts on his
face in the back of his head, had his life saved by the security
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guard. The guy with the knifetakes off and they talk to the victim
on the ground there and say whatdetails can you give us, and do
you want to press charges so wecan go get this guy. And the
victim who just had his life potentiallysaved by the security guard, suddenly was
struck stricken with amnesia, was veryuncooperative, didn't want to talk to the
cops, which is another way ofonce again destroying this guy that just stepped
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in there to try and save hislife and potentially did, and he doesn't.
He's not have the courtesy to turnaround and give some cops any information
they might have about who he washanging out with, who he was talking
with in the bar. I mean, there's a level of human decency that
we just don't have I feel likethe world is backwards, like we're in
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one of them twilight zones. Thateven with Carly, what was she doing.
She was at her first party frompeople who invited her. Obviously she
thought she should be saved because Carlyis smart like that. And then the
teen minutes and shot eight times,and then no one in over seventy people
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there can speak up for the girlwho they all say they liked. It
doesn't make sense. Plus, you'vegot felons with guns who clearly have proven
over and over that they're not goingto abide by the rules, but yet
we keep letting them out. Andthen the fact that you these humans,
if that's what you're going to callthem, don't care about who they hit
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in the middle. You know,even back in the day, like when
you and I were younger, atleast gangs tried to hit their target.
They weren't always successful, certainly,but you're right, not everyone in that
room had the You need to havethe ability or thought that if things suddenly
get out of hand here, youknow, I've got something to protect myself
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and just start blindly shooting the round. There are people there who were ready
just to hang out with their friendshave fun. And when you have so
many people there, I didn't knowit was seventy. The number is fifty
to seven. Wow. And forthem, which again, if that happened,
if it was fifty to seventy,I've been in that room. I've
been in that building several times.I don't understand why there isn't ten dead
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people, right, it was avery small space. Yeah, to have
to not have people step up there, like you said, for someone that
they said, oh yeah, wereally liked her. What do you want
to tell the cops everything you know? Oh no, I don't want to
talk to the cops. Like what. I understand that. How many times
I keep hearing, well, that'sthe culture or that's the they're fearing for
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their own safety. But history shows, and I've checked with the police and
that that is very rare. Yeah, well, there's certainly retribution out there,
but I think that the small percentageof retribution is dwarfed by the violent
crime that is continually perpetrated by thepeople who are incarcerated and put away to
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deal with these crimes. If wedon't have witnesses step up, talk to
the police and lead to an arrest, that can lead to a prosecution to
keep a dangerous person off the streetswhen that person is continually out committing crime
after crime after crime. How manypeople are robbed, how many cars are
stolen, how many kids are solddrugs to, how many people are murdered,
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compared to this thought that, well, I saw a TV show and
there's going to be retribution. Woor someone told me that growing up.
Yeah, I'm sorry. Doing theright thing is not the easiest thing in
the world. But these are theconsequences you have to lay out. And
the truth is is that our streetsare terrorized by a very small percentage of
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people, each of whom have committedcrimes that witnesses decline to tell police about,
even anonymously. You can do thisin some instance and it escalates.
That's the thing. Oh it wasonly a car jacking. Oh we only
stole a car, Oh we onlybroke into a house. Then next is
what? But at that point,I'm sorry, all gloves are up off
when there's a dead girl on theground like that did nothing to no one.
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So I don't understand that level ofhumanity either. Where are the men,
the men who used to step upthere and be there or people in
need. Yeah, I don't know. And that's what as I go through
this process and learn about laws thatthe phrase law there's no logic in law
anymore keeps popping out of my mouth. So where are we compared? You
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know now, in December of twentytwenty three, thirteen months after this,
do you feel like you're any closerto making a change so that families like
yours hopefully won't have to deal withthis. I guess I have ups and
downs in that, but I wouldsay that yes, we have started to
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swing a pendulum because apparently in twentysome years of the Judiciary Committee, I
was told by a senator that theyhad never heard from a victim, which
is insane to me. So that'sthat's what they told me. But at
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the same time, I have seenon our local level other moms say oh
well, now I want to talkor they kind of meet up with me.
And I think that we did convincesome of the commissioners to say,
all right, this doesn't make anysense. This other building's too small.
The juvenile center that they wanted toopen for I think it was even over
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less than I think it was fiftysix beds versus one hundred and twenty something,
but we did. That's a smallwin. I guess that they kept
it open and good thing because thenthen two weeks I think it was one
hundred and five the kids in there. As far as justice for Carly,
No, that's a whole different clownshow that I've been watching. And every
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time, you know, I havepeople in my circle that say, uh
oh, you just need to moveon or you need to process this and
move ahead, and that they're notunderstanding is one. We don't even have
all the guys in two. Everysingle hearing, every single court date,
every single trial date rips it backopen, and so far it's been shenanigans
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that we still have not gone totrial after this long when the suspect wants
a speedy trial, which is sixmonths. Six months was November. Well,
now we're into all kinds of shenanigans, which is a whole nother show.
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And I'm honestly never going to beable to get to that level of
grief that maybe someone has when theirgrandma dies or you know, something like
that, and proceed that way untilall of that is done. And I
don't know if I ever will becausewe still don't have the two other guys
that shot her. So people haveno idea what to say to someone who's
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been through what you've been through,and you know they're trying to help and
say, well, I hope youcan find peace. Well, it's easier
said than done, and people you'regonna have to grant them some grace as
well. I can tell you whatnot to say, what not to say.
After the news aired last night aboutCarly's yard signs, I got an
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email on her account that we've beendoing for her memorial stuff. If she
was not hanging around all those blacks, I guarantee that she would be here
today. White girls, listen andstay in your own and this won't happen
to you. So this is fromprobably a fake account, But that's some
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of the ignorance that I get outsideof you know, like the night of
the Omaha scanner and the comments easyto say behind a computer. But this
isn't about race, but it issomething that I run into a lot from
both sides. I run into racialcomments like that on both sides. But
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Carly was accepted by everybody, andshe accepted everybody, and I have never
once run around and said, youknow, oh, black guys shot No,
I say felons, because that's whatthey are. And at some point
that's the problem, you know,Carly. Carly went to visit friends and
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the party was in north Omaha.So what north Omaha, West Omaha.
I'm in West Omaha. My yard'sgetting vandalized. There's shootings and stabbings.
It doesn't matter. We're all Omaha. And that's something I've been fighting this
entire time. And then to seethat it's still coming in front in front
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of my face. It's probably thesame few people who have sent you messages
like that, but it's how manytimes do you get that? On shows?
When you see feedback and well,you know, I host a news
talk radio show here in Omaha.A variety of subjects come up, and
every once in a while, whetherit's you know, racism against blacks,
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or some people who want to criticizeeither Muslims or Jews based on what's going
on in the Middle East, ifit's something out of bounds, Like if
I get a message like that,and I have received messages that are just
straight up racist, I got it. I just write, click on the
message, block sender and go onwith my life because I've tried other debate,
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you know, tried shaming this person. What they want to do is
drag you down to their level,and I got stuff to do. I
don't have time for that. SoI just block Cender and after about fifteen
minutes or so, I'm not eventhinking about that email anymore. Right now,
That's what works for me, andI hope that you'll find something that
works for you. If you're goingto receive messages like that, you're going
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to see things like that, You'regoing to see, you know, horrible
things because it's people online, thesekeyboard warriors hiding behind the anonymity, and
there's some horrible people out there.And I on the on the comments on
social media and things I mean tome, they just look ignorant because they
didn't know Carly, And if theyknew Carly for two seconds, they would
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not be thinking that of her,and they wouldn't think some of the stuff
that they say. So that doesn'treally bother me. It's just there's there's
a fine line between Like I lookat celebrities like Okay, Taylor Swift,
Travis, They're all in their happyland and they all want to be happy
all the time and give that energyand vibe. But sometimes I feel like,
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because they have the platform, theyneed to also come back to reality
and share what's really going on inthe world sometimes, And like Megan the
Stallion is exactly one because she wasshot and it was traumatic for her,
and I just wish that celebrities sometimeswould speak up for victims and get those
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messages out and speak against not gunviolence, but speak against the system that
seems to be built for criminals.Yeah. I understand what you're saying,
and certainly enough of them do speakout. When it comes to political things.
Vote for this candidate, I hatethis candidate. They know that kind
of thing. You would wish thatyou could focus that on something they might
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be to have more of an impacton. But for me, I don't
need to. If a celebrity isnot already inclined to get involved in something,
I don't need them to do anythingother than just do their entertainment,
you know, whether it's sports,music, acting, or whatever. Because
you and me and a lot ofother people's with whatever we're dealing with,
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sometimes it's nice just to turn yourbrain off for an hour and a half
and listen to music, or watcha movie or something like that. Binge
watch a TV show and I don'tnecessarily need to see every single person on
there and think, oh, there'sthis celebrity and he or she spoke about
this, and then suddenly I'm gettingdragged back into an issue and not just
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laughing at some stupid TV show.I need that relief in my brain.
Yeah, And that's what makes me. It's when they come out of their
lane, so to speak, andthey're speaking on things passionately about. It's
like, no, even when theNFL did it, You're like, no,
I just came here to watch it. I mean, yeah, can
I just you know, it's America. You can't watch a football game,
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you can't listen to music, youcan't drink a beer without it being political
anymore. Like, hey, youguys are ruining everything right like, and
I with grief, I have toturn off my brain a lot, and
I try. And you know,which makes you realize that the phrase they
want to dumb you down with TVis true because I'm going to it too
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dumb down good. But last nightit didn't. Because now you see things
like this lady went through childbirth andthen I remembered being in childbirth with Carly
and then I remember She's not gonnahave it, and then I'm bawling hysterically.
Or you see another law show whichI used to love watching those,
and somebody comes in shot and you'rejust going, where do I get away
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from just? I mean, Iguess it could go sit. I like
water, I'll sit in water.But I liked you. Know what you
were saying is what it comes intothat when these people just randomly say things,
and that didn't benefit anybody. SoI guess I wanted to ask you.
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Uh so you were nice enough tohost our Carly's celebration of life on
what would have been her twenty firstbirthday, and what do you think of
that event? Big crowd and areally diverse crowd. I saw some of
Carly's friends, saw some of yourfriends there, some people we know,
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but also we had at the time, So Senator Pete Ricus, I think
you was still senator at that time. You know the Douglas County Sheriff Aaron
Hanson there, at member of citycouncil Amy Melton was there, and you
know some people who just heard aboutit and just wanted to support you.
And it was. There were alot of tears and a lot of laughter
that day with some of the storiesand the pictures and the videos and everything
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you had, and it's important toget together and do things like that.
I'm glad that so many people werethere for you that day. I liked
that you brought the humor because youwere talking about you went to a different
celebrational life right before for an olderjail. Oh, yeah's right. Yeah.
I came to your event right aftera guy who was eighty something had
just passed away, and a verydifferent feeling right there. But at the
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same time at that thing, thoseguys were sitting there, they were toasting
him by downing a bottle of jamisonat this event for this, you know,
buddy of theirs, and I don'tknow that was all just jamison,
but there were some people who werelike, need a drink and need it
now, you know. So there, you know, people were coping.
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There's there's there are ways to cometogether and cope, and it was nice
to have people doing that at bothevents. Do you have any tips and
tricks of the trade, So whenI try and start to do this on
a regular basis, that because Ihave some I have some awesome people lined
up that want to come talk andand recently I've connected with probably twenty different
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moms or family members across the countrywho are in the same boat as me.
Yeah. Uh. Tip number one, turn your phone off when you
don't hear I did that. I'min the background, of course you did.
The biggest tip I can give anyonefor doing something like this is going
to be the easiest thing for youto do amber and that is be your
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authentic self. Since I've known youfor years now, you are so authentically
you and whatever it is you're feelingat that time is going to be what
we're going to get. And that'swhat people love about you and just or
hate. Bring that well, youknow, I hope they're listening, but
whatever. Yeah, just just bringthat onto this forum and continue to be
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an agent for positive change here.Well, I'm hoping we can do that
for sure. I hope to getthe foundation started. I already have events
lined up and I'm going to revealone right now. What do you think?
What are we doing? I wantto create a foundation, and the
first event I want to do inCarly's honor, because one we missed the
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holidays with her too. It's herfavorite holiday. Three She loved Christmas trees,
and that comes from my grandmother,who's ninety six. Is have a
Christmas tree walk and have companies sponsortrees and do like a expose you could
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say, competition, kind of likefloats, but make them Christmas trees at
this big event. And then whenthey sponsor that tree, people can bid
on it. And then at theend of the bidding there's going to be
all kinds of changes, I'm sure, But I would like to be able
to give a Christmas tree to afamily who didn't have one. We can
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wrap it in cellophane and deliver itjust like that. I love that idea.
I've seen some Christmas tree decorating competitionsand people get so creative, right,
You've seen a couple dozen, Andjust when you think, well,
I think I think we've run ofcreative ideas on what you can do with
the tree, then you look toyour right and there's something you'd never even
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thought of before that you could dowith a Christmas tree, right, And
it's it's such a great palette forartists to be able to do something like
that and to auction them off.So people are getting this one of a
kind thing. I hope you canmake a lot of money. It's great.
Hopefully, hopefully it'll work out.We'll figure it out. Yeah,
So I did want to ask youone other thing. So when we're coming
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up with topics, obviously a lotof a lot of the topics that you
use our current events or current tragedies. But when I have these guests come,
part of me wants I kind ofwant to just let them go.
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I mean, I can direct them, but I kind of as long as
the information is still coming out,do you think there's an audience for just
straight up information? Because that's likethe I started something on TikTok called did
you know of all the things I'mlearning that? I was like, what,
so, is that something you thinkwould fly? Or do I have
to be precise and cut it down? Oh jeez. The radio boss would
(27:11):
be like, all right, yougot to be as efficient with your words
as possible and no rambling anything likethat. Just you know, hit the
punch and get right back to thenext thing or whatever. The nice thing
about a podcast forum is you're notlike and we got to take a break,
which I hate doing with you whenyou're on my radio show on KFAB,
like, We'll get to this reallysincere emotional point and I'll be like,
(27:33):
and we'll be right back. Youknow, you know you don't have
to do that here. If someonejust needs to talk, it might be
rambling. We all do that.I might be doing that right now.
That's as I keep using the termauthentic, which we don't have enough of
in society. And I think anytimeyou can tap into something like that,
let it go, let it happen. And then my last question to you
(27:59):
is, since you've, like yousaid, these stories come along every so
often, you've talked about a lotof tragedies, a lot of local stuff,
and it keeps happening or it's gettingworse. And I think mostly on
the juvenile level. You know,the older guys are saying, hey,
kid, do this because you don'tget in trouble, and they're not.
(28:19):
What was different about Carly's story otherthan because you never met her? But
what was different to you or howdid it impact to you? Or do
you remember where you were when youheard it, or what well her story
was different compared to other crimes.And there have been some others who I
can I would put this in thesame boat, and it comes out of
(28:42):
like I could see myself in thissituation now. If someone is like going
into rob a place or you know, and you know, shoots one of
his partners, something like the drugdeal gone wrong, or you know,
something like that, sometimes it's kindof hard to see you or you know,
(29:02):
your own kid in a situation likethat. I think about Carly.
I think about Chris Gradoville, whowas the Creighton baseball guy who was just
you know, out working, youknow, early in the morning, helping
some people out and ended up gettingshot for it. I think about Carly,
and I think about a few ofthe situations I've been in my own
(29:25):
life. And this is where Carly'sstory I've been able to really think about
personally because the email you got from, well, she wasn't hanging around with
criminals or whatever. You know.There have been some situations in my life
where I've been in a spot withpeople who were bad news, or I
(29:47):
was hanging out with friends and weended up someplace, or I ended up
wandering off by myself and suddenly I'mlooking around, going what am I doing
here? And I'm looking around thepeople I'm with going how did I get
here? How is this going toend? And I think, let's say
I was at There was one pointwhen I was living in a small studio
(30:11):
apartment in downtown Omaha because I couldn'tafford anything else. I was just starting
off in radio. They don't payus a whole heck of a lot.
I was living in They don't andsales guys that make all the money.
So I'm living in a place thatI was paying two twenty five a month
to live in a place that wascalled crack House Row. And it was
(30:32):
my first apartment and I loved it. I was so happy there. One
night, someone's knocking on my doorat three o'clock in the morning. It's
this girl who's I don't know,drunk or cracked out or whatever. And
I said, tell you what,I need to go to work right now.
Let me drive you where you needto go. Come on, let's
go. Because this girl, Ididn't know what was going to happen to
her. So I put her inthe car and we're driving and there's some
(30:52):
guys hanging out in the street cornerand she's like, I know these guys,
pull over. I'm like oh jeez. So now one of these guys
get to the car and I'm drivinghim around, and so I don't know.
These people weren't, you know,scouts, they weren't clergymen. You
know, this was an interesting element. They're in my car. One of
them could have very easily said,and you know what, we don't need
(31:15):
you to drive anymore. I'm gonnashoot you, steal your car and go.
Well. Then the next day theheadline is is that I've been killed,
I've been carjacked, And people wouldlook at that and go, wow,
what was Scott doing out at threepoint thirty in the morning with a
drug dealer and a gang member inhis car? Because I don't know.
(31:36):
I was trying to do the rightthing, and suddenly I was like,
I don't know, this is goingto end up right now. Thankfully I
ended up dropping her off over hereand him off over there. A guy
named Marvin. He said, myfriends called me back door. You can
call me back door. I said, pleasure meeting you back door. You
have a wonderful day. And Idrove off by myself, going heck of
(31:59):
a story. But had that notgone that way, people would have said
the same thing. Not knowing whatthey're talking about. What was he doing
hanging out with them? Like you'regetting what is Carly doing hanging out with
them? They don't know her,they don't know how this works. Maybe
they've never been in that situation.Most of us have been, and some
(32:22):
of us have gotten luckier than others. So with Carly's story, that's one
where I can see my daughter beingtrusting, innocent, hanging out with friends.
Oh, I know someone who's havinga party over here, let's go
well, okay, yeah, andending up in the middle of that,
and everyone thinking, well, she'sa sweetheart, because she is. You
(32:45):
know, obviously I thought a lotabout what happened to your daughter, and
you know, and it could beanybody. And I feel guilty telling you
this because my stories don't end upthe same way your story does. There's
no guilt in it. We wantto hear the stories. We just you
know, honestly, it's the peoplethat just disappear that you're like, oh,
(33:07):
well, I thought that person wasgonna stick and I We all have
our stories of places maybe we shouldn'thave been, Or there's a fight in
the yard and there's a knife andyou're like Okay, gotta go. She
didn't even have the chance to saygotta go. She's only there fifteen minutes.
(33:27):
And I'm mad at the universe becauseit was her first Like, why
didn't she get the chance to go? You know what? This probably isn't
where I want to hang out allthe time, because she knew it.
We discussed parties, and the moreyou tell a kid no, eventually they're
(33:52):
gonna find I mean, we allexplored, oh yeah, so you know,
and if she if she said,guys, I got to oh,
I'm gonna go out and catch youn uber and get the heck out of
here, well, then you knowshe they're like, oh, little miss
goody two shoes things, she can'thang out with us? What's your problem?
And you're trying to find a gracefulway out of the situation, and
(34:13):
you know what, that's why shewent. So she had never ever ever
gone out to those because even friendswho lived down there told her the friends
that weren't there, they were justnone of those friends were around that night
for some reason. They were outof town or somewhere. But they used
to say, don't go to them, Yeah, nothing good, don't go
to them. I used to tellher that, and she kept talking about
(34:36):
it, and I'm like, she'slike, just be glad I don't go
to those parties. And I'd say, you should be glad you don't go
to those parties. Well, andand here's the worst thing about it,
and a great message for other youngwomen and young guys as well, the
people you're trying to impress by nottrying to find a way out of the
situation or guys I don't want togo there, and they'd be like,
(34:57):
oh, you're a loser, youknow you're you know this that whatever.
The people you're trying to impress aregoing to be the same ones that if
you end up getting in trouble andthe cops show up yep, and they
can give information that would lead policeto an arrest, are going to be
the same ones that are not goingto talk to those cops. And these
are the people that you're trying toimpress. I hope people really think about
(35:19):
that. And that's and I don'tthink carl was trying to impress anyone.
I think that she was trying tosupport and not be that girl that never
comes down and never shows up,and that she specifically said to someone that
night when they were all shocked thatshe got there. She's I'm here,
(35:39):
and then she said I'm not stayinglong. Yeah, and she Carly would
never in a million years when shewent to that to support these friends or
these people think if she ended updead that they would not talk to the
police. That's not a friend noon any level. I mean, I
(36:06):
I don't care where I am.If I think that that shooter is gonna
come back after me, I'm talkingbecause I want him captured. Now.
The next show I talk on isgonna be hard. They gonna let him
go again because they do. Ihope you do more of these shows,
so I plan on it, andI appreciate your help and hopefully we get
(36:30):
video added. I got little stands. I'm gonna put phones up, and
you're going to need a better lookingguest than me. Oh. He's always
mean to himself. That's because Ihave mirror z amber Ah. Thank you
for letting me. Thank you thisconversation. I appreciate your time and everybody
listened to kfab On iHeart thank youanytime on this show. Thanks all right,
(36:52):
Thanks Scott. You don't love me, you don't come me so fast.
I'm being bad to my knees andI'm being closed. I pa lost
(37:15):
the pot. I'll break in,but I can't take it. I'll get
it back back on mathet. Thisis wrong from lover. I won't see the last
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