EP 8 Part 2 ROSCOE buying drugs, all white people are rich & karly's message

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M hm Bacan's faces in my thoughtsto real angel faces on my way to
see the side unless I knew likea butterfly and loving this version of me.
Some episodes previously recorded. So it'sokay to be you know, you

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know, like I always say,or yeah, you know, And that's
the part I don't like. Ilike my you know, especially my white
brothers and sisters, to keep itone hundred because that's that way I can
educate them and they can educate me, because a lot of times what happens
is if we ain't in each other'syou know, space, there will be
misconceptions on both sides. All whitepeople are rich, you know, shit

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like that, or all blacks arewhatever. Well that in three sixties she
was like, oh, well,uh and my kid dada out west Omaha
and then you have to get upreally early and I can't go to west
Omaha to go to the thing.I was like, what is she talking
about? Like I grew up,my kids grew up broke too. I
know. It's it's crazy because colorYeah, one of a man, I

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mean, man, it's crazy becauseI know a lot of white families in
northumb Hall that grew up rough thoughit is rough but tough. And and
I learned early about poverty. Ithad no color. Man, you wanna
talk about you could never sell meon that. I mean, broke is

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broke. And I think that's whatwe're gonna have to really understand as a
country too, because we're doing alot of divisive We're letting big money people
divide us. And when we lookat it, we all trying to go
to work, make a little moremoney, buy a boat on the same
way I do. I sure do, And I say, I'll tell you
I got I got. I gotneighbors next to me. I got my

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white partner next to me. Igot my Mexican partner next to him.
We do the same thing. Weget up, go to work, wives
go to work. It's just likeDomino. It was crazy. And like
the next year after I moved inthe house, I start traditionally cooking both
of them Father's Day meals, andso that's what we do, we get

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together on Father's Day. But wetalk about that type of stuff that just
like you said, we put ourpants on the same way. So that's
just something in twenty twenty four,let's think about Let's think about how can
we support each other? You saidsomething funny in three sixty two. When
I first said something, and afterI was crying, I was doing pretty
good about speaking. I had spokenfront of the Judiciary Committee, in front

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of the commissioners. But in thatmeeting, for some reason, it kind
of all fell out, like that'sthe most I cried in front of a
group. But I was mad crying, as you saw. I don't yell
a lot as I cry, butthat's what I was doing. But you
got up and spoke and kind ofhad my back and was like, look

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like her, dag Her is ourdaughter. Yep. And I've been saying
north Omaha, south Omaha. Whatit's all fucking Omaha? So why is
it in people's minds again? Thisis like you you're being brainwashed and thinking,
oh, well, because you're innorth Omaha, it's okay to die.

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Yeah, well then you better puta travel band on north Omaha.
And that was my way of saying, dare to care, dare y'all,
you know, And because you haveto get out of those misconceptions. You
got to get out of that.Well, she's just it's so judgment was
so, you know, and andI get it if I if I had,

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you know, if I sat downand and and you were all of
that, then I would be onthis pod because oh she's all of that,
because that's who I am. Butto make those determinations and I haven't
really All I heard was a bunchof pain when you were speaking. I
didn't hear any of that. Andso maybe that was because what I tuned
into. Maybe if I if Itune my my uh, you know,

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tune into the frequency into Okay,what the hell this wife? You know?
Seen it? I was like,damn. And I hadn't known all
the backdrop. I heard the storybut not the and so I started kind
of putting some of it together.Oh and but I was like wow,

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and then some of it was.I seen some of the uncomfortableness from me,
no, from from law enforcement andeverybody else, because that was my
I was like, oh, shemust be really beating the drum. So
I like that part. Everybody.I get listen, man, I get
stuff, and don't you have totell me? I felt that. I
was like and not saying they wantedyou to go away or anything, but

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I could tell you were beating thedrum. I'm knocking on every door.
I could tell by that, andI said, okay, she's gonna be
around then, and uh then Imade that determination off of that, say
hey man, you know I feelyou. You lost your daughter down you
know, and that was kind ofchallenging you and and seeing if you was
really and I told you that whenyou came down, Okay, is she

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really real about this? And shegonna come down here. So what he's
talking about is I was leaving athree sixty meeting and in the parking lot,
this was a second or third meeting, maybe third. In the parking
lot, I see this black carroll up on me like straight on.
I'm like, uh great, Andthis guy jumps out of the car with

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a piece of paper and comes upto me and says, hey, I
thought about you, and I startedI want to start this group, and
I know it's way down there,but I got you. And I was
thinking, wait what because the veryfirst group would be too You didn't think
that. And I'm finding this alot. Why does everyone think that I'm

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scared to go to north Omala Likeit's a common thing. Like there's a
lot of people from north Omaha thatthink that Lisa was comfortable with she from
Philly obviously, but uh Rex,I mean it was just beautiful. We
got we do have to uh youknow, and now to be be for
us because that was for us.That was what he had, was a
grief group that he was starting.Yeah, that was awesome. And it

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was down there like twenty fourth andGrant. Well, when we got in
the walls, it didn't matter wherewe was at. You benefited a lot,
I think because you was It wasa lot of court days. It
was a lot going on at thatthat was all. Yeah, and that
was a good group. It was, you know. And I kind of
went down there knowing one I wouldhave voices that could get me more answers

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than I was going to get inthree sixty and I'm kind of a you're
not going to scare me away girl, But at the same time, I
also wanted to prove others wrong becauseI knew there's some people in that room
going that girl ain't gonna go Anotherthing you found out you didn't know,
which you could actually contribute to thecrew. You wasn't thinking that you you

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didn't know, and then you endup and yeah, we forced everybody to
watch car Car Carly contributed. Ibaged that on hers. I was like,
oh lord, she's gonna do itagain. Well, let's do it
again. And we did every daywatch and then one young man we had
in probation that you know, beenwith the gun violence all that. He

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went to man, he started,yeah, he snuckle, He's like,
man, she fine. Then hestarted really hearing, hearing the Ambers loss.
To those who don't know, Baddie, yeah she's she was like that,
you know, you know, butBaddy can be a ten. Baddy
is an eight on up for sure. Probably, I mean, yeah,

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but Baddy can be a ten.It depends on who the guy is saying,
you know what I mean. Butyeah, he uh he uh.
It resonated. And that's what I'msaying. Even with this young man,
it wasn't a white girl anymore.You could tell with this young man,
and it became yep, and itbecame yep. And I think the biggest
thing is what I'm telling you whenyou come in and do this impact thing.

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When I have you come in andspeak as a surrogate, sarrogant victim.
One of the things about that youcan't be the actual victim of you
know, until that that's the mediation. But like kids in here that have
assaulted somebody or something, you're surrogant, but you're representing. Yeah, you're
because you're representing victims. You're representingtheir victims, and you're telling them this

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is what you've done to me,and that's what you've done to your victims.
You've heard not just me, youheard her sister, you heard her
mom, your grandma, You tookher from it. People loved her at
work, she you know what Imean, she did this, she had
a career, she wanted Those arethe things that the mediation. That's why
I tell people that's tougher than saying, hey, twenty five years, thirty

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years now, if I had tolisten to you, I think, man,
if you had to come up thereevery year and just tell me,
oh my god, dude, tojust say I give up. Why you
just didn't give me life or thechair? So you know, I really
believe that in all jokinness, Ithink that that's the toughest thing to face,

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especially for some of these kids thatjust shot a gun and didn't you
know what I mean, Now youreally have to face what you really did
see. It was so easy thatnight showing out on the drugs, whatever
it was. Now you gotta livethis. And I like to say I
was a pretty rough gangster. LikeI said, we'll talk about me another

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time, but I had empathy anda lot of my other buddies I'm talking
about had some vicious but we hadempathy and a lot of us did come
out of church and all that stuffjust drifted a little bit, but we
had con And don't think that thesekids don't. A lot of stuff they
doing out of drugs. They hurt, so they want to hurt other people.

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There's a lot of dynamics going on. But at the end of the
day, I just truly don't believebecause adults don't understand totally the impact,
the actual impact. That's the piecethat we want to teach people before we
get there, what you are doing. So that's my biggest thing. I
want to teach these young kids,this is what you're doing and I'm showing

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and by you, you're giving strengthto the actual victim, because some victims
can't do what you're doing. Somevictims say I don't ever want to be
in front of that person, anda person like Amber say, where are
you at? See so you haveto continue being courageous. I support you
on that and navigating your way through. And I'll say this in conclusion to

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me that I know for a factthat you're not in this to demean anybody
else's efforts or to me to meanany other parent. You're in this saying
that you deserve the answers, justlike me. Right, if we get
the answers, then maybe we don'thave other parents that so we don't become

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this continued to come to build onthis fraternity. Well, that's what we
have, a fraternity and giving someparents the strength to some parents have gotten
the strength to get behind meep andsay, well she's gonna do it,
I'll do it well. And theywant to know too that and that's what
you told them today. I hopethat was clear in other times that you're

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not trying to throw the books atthese kids. And that's where I found
common ground with me and you,because I told you, I'm restorative.
I can't throw these kids away.I always think about Shakur, my brother.
Shakur did forty one years and yesit was murders, and if you
met him today, you wouldn't evenknow. That's like twenty years ago or

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thirty years ago, you would nothave still known because he got it together.
So that means like about thirty yearsof his life we didn't check back
on it. What we're saying iswe got to sit you down. We
had to have the type of metricsthat's evaluating as a community, as all

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the ages, but as a communitywhen we're ready to accept you back.
You did some bad things, butrestorative justice about that continuous value validation.
You are valuable until you're not well. And the whole point here is the
system is not helping to actually rehabilitate, fix better people, and it's costing

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the taxpayers a lot of dollars andit has them fooled into thinking that all
these other things will cost too muchmoney. But you know, just putting
someone in jail and letting them sitthere and work out and eat breakfast and
do nothing is not paying your penancein my opinion. You know, make

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them sit there and write a letterto that family every days and a cot
was easy baby. Make them growtheir own food because as you said,
whether your arian nation, crip blood, whatever, in jail, you have
to you have to live it togetherfor the to eat and some place.
And let me tell you now,down south, they got a lot of

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that going on, trust me.So you know you gotta cultivate some land,
Pardoner, it's a lot of That'sthat's the accountability piece. The accountability
gotta be much more than time wegot it we got do you know what
I teach is about taxpayers being victims, so you won't to talk about extend.
Voters voted, I mean truthfully,because voters Democrat, Republican, uh

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black, you're you're taught about this, Big Ralphie May said it. The
comedian, the big Boogeyman. TheBoogeyman always want to know about them up
there because they don't pay no taxes. They just make them. We the
the Congress and all that I'm saying. But they want you against me,
right, they want North against Butthe taxpayer is the victim because the taxpayer

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keep footing the bill, all right. The taxpayers are footing the bill for
probablic pretenders. They're footing the billfor jail space, all the all the
staff, everything, so everything ispredicated. And that big old shiny prison
fifteen hundred biers, and they're readyto build another one. Those are three
hundred bill three hundred million dollars hereand there that would do justice to our

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streets? Do you know what taxpayerscould do actually with that? I have
kind of an extreme thought on thatthough, because in my opinion, if
you are given the chance and youeventually are just not rehabilitiable, you are
not going to be a productive partof society. You're basically wasting oxygen.
You know, I don't think thereis enough. But you heard me right,

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your value You have value until youdon't. What that means is remember,
as a society, we have tomake decisions, and sometime they tough.
But if you gave me, ifyou get because I'm telling you the
stuff I did, that's why it'sreally tough. All the stuff I did,

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I probably should have been written off. But you took the opportunities in
prison. It took a while andyou did right. But that's why we
can't just right. But but whatwe agree up on. I had to
sit my ass down. That's whatgot me something. And I'm with you
on too. You have to dothese things. You have to get your

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ged, you have to do someof these things. Because some of us,
like myself, Secord, we didit on our own accord. We
want to do something and be different. We want to be better. Everybody
don't enter it like that. Somedudes just do time right and shouldn't be
so. If I was went inat nineteen and I get out at thirty

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five, I get out into thecommunity still nineteen and mad and mad because
you said there all who did mewrong? It's a pitty part because and
another thing is you never got thechance to be accountable. I always say
this, and Rex agree with me. Men like to fix shit when they
break it, even right, buteven in you know now, boys like

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to mend it. They'll try to. You know, men like to really
like if you like, like,if you make decision and it's gonna hurt
your family or whatever, men liketo. Now. Boy may want to
just patch it right, But ifyou don't give that man the opportunity to

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fix something that he can. Allright. Most of the guys in prison,
I've always seen it, we justget locked up further away from the
family because as days chick on,you're gone. You're out of sight,
out of mind, and none ofthe stuff gets dealt with, And then
your date pops up thing and youarrived out early, you're right, and

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you arrive and none of that stuffwas dealt with, so we right back
there again. That's the lonely partfor guys getting out. They feel like
nobody checked on, which takes meback to the system. Not I don't
care if you throw them in jailfor twenty five thirty years. If we
held them accountable from day one injail, we wouldn't need twenty five year

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sentences. But we need to fosterrelationships while they're there too, because guess
what, eight almost ninety percent ofthe guys is incarcerated is coming back to
the community and they're gonna be ournative. How many reoffend right now,
we have a seventy percent recidivism race, so that's almost eight out of ten
seventy five percent. So I mean, if you want to look at success,

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we say we have a twenty fivesuccess right But that's that's my point.
Makes them earn their bed, makethem invest in themselves, because while
in jail, if they had togrow their own food, if they had
to learn a trade and clean theirown toilet, if they had to all

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speak today victim about their harm.But the committee victims, whether the victim
wants to get it or not,fine, but it's there. It's and
it keeps them busy, and itgives them a purpose. And then and
you feel like you fix some shit. Even if you say I don't want
to hear it, I did itright, because you're fixing it with yourself.

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Absolutely. But that's the problem whereyou know the people in three p.
Sixty that are on one side,they're way over here on the left.
The others are way over here,and you and I are sitting here
in the warm water in the middle, going where's the common But that's also
that that citizen that you got toget some skin in the game, because

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what's happening is we're allowing people totell us things that's not true. So
if you get some skin in it, you'll understand this too. That this
mental health thing that that they're spendingall this money on in prison is called
pill line. Yeah, they're notdoing mental health, and mental health is
the accountability of the victims. Soif we're just doing pill line to one

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year go by, two year goby, three year go by, y'all
have supplied me all these pills,then I get out. You got me
a prescription, then you just sentme out there and you can. And
I'm telling you right, not onlythat I'll probably be worse off than I
was, and because I never reallydressed the issue. What we want to
do in prison is kind of whatwe do to our kids in school.
We prepping them for that prison bygiving them okay, adhd. We're trying

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to Yeah, we're trying to diagnoseall these things because we're lazy. And
who runs the pills for the kid? Absolutely? So. My my thing
is, is this kid running around, he got a lot of energy.
Why we got to give him apill. It's the same thing when we
come in prison. Well, someguys get a little rowdy and they don't
want to deal with it. Butthey was rowdy when they was kids.

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They none of this stuff got addressed. So in prison they're saying, what
we're gonna do is shut his assall the way down, Just give him
that pell and he'll function, andwe watch him. I've seen dudes so
on pills so much they create heelsand and they going, it's crazy.
I've seen this. I was injail for thirty days, not prison,

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which makes me same environment well,which makes me well rounded on topics,
right, you know, I'm nota I wasn't born with a silver spoon.
I don't have a political science degree, which I think is a downfall
of society. As soon as youmade politics of university degree, that's a
problem. There was a girl inthere that was so drugged up she didn't

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come out of her room all day. She would look like a zombie.
And yet in my whole stint,I get migraines. They knew this going
in. I never once saw adoctor. So on both sides of it,
my inmate rights were violated over andover again, and to the point
where I paid someone with commissary towrite down the inmate rights. I have

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them all I didn't get. Iwasn't allowed to go to the library,
which is also an inmate right.It was just constant. I didn't see
daylight for twenty seven days, whichis an inmate right. So it's not
that, you know, I don'tthink that jails are perfect. This was
Sarpy County, so this was youknow, but and it is. There

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is a pecking order, and thereis a you know, the first show
I thought of was Orange is theNew Black, And there is groups,
and just like in high school,I didn't have a group. My group
was me and I was nice toeverybody, so I didn't really have a

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group. But at the same time, I had people wanting to be take
me into their group because I wasthe tall girl, thinking I'm gonna be
some what muscle? I don't know. I don't want to bag neither.
I want to leave it there likeI'm bagging on the mental health field.
Okay, all right, everything hasits place because I have been in prison

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where guys would be so out ofhare and they're throwing shit and all kinds
of stuff like that. So yeah, I'm not a therapist. I'm not
a you know, you know anyof that there. I don't have no
no letters behind my name, SoI do know. There may be specific
cases where they say, man,we gotta deal with it this way,

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but I've seen a lot of them. I've even seen situations where guys come
in trying to play crazy just tobeat their case and end up being crazy
because they take the pills. It'sa big game for some of the men
that really need to deal, especiallyin child molestation cases stuff like that.
They really need the therapy, notthe medication. But that's a whole other

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issue because you know they're coming back. So you say, all right,
we'll solve this by putting them ona registry that you know how many people
violate on well, how many felonshave gone Absolutely, if you don't deal
with the issue, you're going rightback to it. Right, But here's
our problem. So there is amental health If there's a person has a

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mental health issue, and there's aperson that has a criminal issue. Right,
there's criminals and then there's those guysin the middle. But the mental
health person doesn't need to be thrownin with with second degree murderers because that's
just destroying. It's the same withjuveniles. Happened. But Nebraska got rid

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of the mental health facility wards,so we don't have a place to put
them. I've talked to several therapistsand they're like, in the nineties,
we went what do we do withthese people? No, the prison became
this is what I'm trying to tellyou, prison became the mental health ward,
which the Director of Corrections for DouglasCounty is not a law enforcement anything.

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He's a mental health professional. Again, why Douglas County. Douglas County
commissioners run our corrections, not thesheriff's office. So there is no law
enforcement agency or entity that runs DouglasCounty corrections. I do not believe,
and I could be wrong, sodouble check. Any of our commissioners come

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from a law enforcement background. Sothe people running corrections have nothing to do
with law enforcement, and they don'tlike to Some of them on the board
do not like to confer with lawenforcement, especially their sheriff, because it's
more about ego than it is aboutfixing the fucking problem. And it just

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sickens me because public safety needs tobe number one, and public safety should
say we need a facility for themental health people, and we need a
facility that says this is a crimepeople, right, just like isn't there
different levels of jail? And butsee what happens is in a sphere m
for we see these people walking around, they're and our families just suffering,

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and nobody actually pays attention until theydo something. And there's no program that
they have to be a part of. Now because you have advocates out here
going well, they don't have todo anything. They're a person. No
guess what. When I was inSarpy County, jail because we these girls
would get in fights over a tableand where they sat right like cafeteria,

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and I'm going, okay, meimagine this one lady tried to dictate as
if she was the queen Bee ofthe block or whatever. We one day
were playing spades at their table,but it wasn't their table. She was

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off doing church or whatever she wasat and they came back and we were
playing spades and they looked at usas if there was a problem, and
all the girls were like, oh, do we gotta move. No,
we don't have to move. There'sthree tables over there. We're playing our
game. They're coming back from church. And that lady, she was probably
like sixty five, was so upsetand she just gave me that eye over

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her little glasses and she tried tocome over and say like, oh,
we need to sit down. I'llgo, well, there's a table right
there, go ahead and sit downlike and then these other girls were so
like, oh my god. I'mlike, look, we are we own
nothing in here. She the countyowns us. We are owned by the

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county right now. We are propertyof the county, and these tables are
property of the County. Nobody ownsshit, and I don't see a seating
chart on the wall, and Iguess you could call it a district.
But those girls kind of got someconfidence because that lady went over and sat
the other table and was pissy fora minute, and she tried and then

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she tried to send some girl afterme. You know whatever. But the
point is people when they're in,when they did something wrong and the judge
says, sorry, you did somethingwrong, here's your consequence. Sit down.

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There has to be a program theyhave to go through in order to
get out. Now. I hadto do that in Sarpy County. Sarpy
County. Apparently I can't compare itto anything, but they call it hard
time in Sarpy County. Why thatis, I don't know, but probably
because we don't see daylight, noTV until I asked for it, which

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they all thought I was a saintbecause I They're like, well, we
don't even get to watch a movie. And I went to the garden,
said, hey, forgot her name, but anyway, Oliver was her name,
Like, hey, since we can'tgo in rec time because the gym
they were remodeling or something, wecouldn't go in reck. I said,
can we watch a movie? Andshe looked at me like, how dare

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you ask me? But at thesame time she couldn't say anything, and
she's like, let me think aboutit. And she comes rolling in with
a movie and they were like,oh my god, Like you guys,
all you gotta do is ask whatare you gonna say? No? So
we got to watch a movie.But when I even got out, it
was another twelve weeks of going toa class. You had to go to

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this class and if you were aminute late, nope, we locked the
door. You're out. You canonly miss two classes or one class.
And they got all this stuff foradults, but the kids. But here's
my point. If I missed thatand didn't fulfill that, and that was
a break you down, you're apiece of shit. I mean it should

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have been for a first degree murderer. This this program they had, it
was very old in our cake andit's like you're a piece of shit and
you're the scum of the earth.Break you down to build you up type
thing. But I would get thrownback in jail, and I still had
to go to UA's and I stillhad to do this every single day.
Douglas County. Isn't that hard?Douglas County and Sarpy County juveniles, they

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don't do that. At the veryleast gives you. You have to get
up and be at a place.You can't just sleep in bed all day.
You have to roll out of bedand go here and do that.
So why isn't it while we're injail that they have to do these things.
It's part of jail time to earnyour bed. Yeah, they still

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have to do They'll get right ofin certain things like that. I think
the bigger thing for me is isdealing with the emotional peace that got people
there in the first place, thebreakdowns. Whether it's the abuse, right,
but that part of it, that'swhat that's the mental health right.
But they're not addressing those things inhis capacity. Basically, it's just everybody

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just got a little window dressing tobe able to say that, hey,
he did go through this program.And then when do we start asking ourselves
why isn't this working well? AndI'll tell you why some of it doesn't
work. The judge says they mustdo this probation. The guy that's on
trial for shooting my daughter right nowwas successfully No, he was discharge from

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probation three times for unwillingness or noncompliance. Why didn't his ass get thrown
back in jail? You think that'sthe follow up and accountability. Yeah,
And that's what I mean by youlose value, because the value becomes your
credibility to your other, to thecommunity, to people that have to live

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around you. If you are doingthings that in a nutshell, people can't
trust. Right. So that's that'swhere we have to get to a community
to have more voice, because thatwe don't, we are letting other people
delegate. And these people like meand you see, they don't communicate.
But the the citizen and the taxplayer and the community doesn't get that follow

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up. They don't get the didhe follow through on probation? I don't
get a report card on tybell.But that's because just think about you.
How many how many ambers have wehad to I mean, we've had mothers
in silos. Yeah, not asloud, but here or there. You're
not the first one I want answers, but not as loud. The reason

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I say that is because I thinkthere's that part of us that's like we're
not gonna get it. We wantit. Uh, we'll beat the cops
up. When are y'all gonna findout this, that and the other.
But to put the like you're doing, kind of putting it on the decision
makers. But you still need community, still need people behind you. That's

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saying no, it's not just her. We want some answers to and I
need you all to write into yourreps well you know, and that's and
that's what has to happen. Ithas to be multi and that's how you
take the community back. You don't. You don't take it back in silos.
It's mother is out there. I'mtelling you. It ain't just like
they're just sitting back and nobody.But the voice is not loud enough.

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It's not collective. And that's whatwe have to work on. And anyone
who's listening to this, who doeswant to join or wants to know how
to help, Carli rain dot comclick how how can I help? If
you want to hear from a certaintype a certain person, or if you
want to share your story again CarlyRain dot com, that's k a r
l Y rain r a i Ndot com sitting here with Roscoe Wallace,

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and I think when we do fullcircle and we and we talk about everything
that we talk about, it comesback to that center, which is the
correction system. And the system itselfis not doing its due diligence and holding
the people accountable and giving them thehelp they need while they're there. And

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I'm gonna say this, and Ialways get a little flat, but they
know I'm real. Is the parents, parents, family family structure. Some
things we're gonna have to knuckle down. For the parents that do know what
they need to be doing and justneed to do it well, and some

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of them may need help, butthis is going But for some of the
parents that don't know, they don'thave to be receptive for help before their
daughter or their son, it's toolate. So that's the thing right there.
I think that's the biggest focus.The system got to do their job.
And that's one of the reasons whya lot of the work I've been

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looking at is at that family structurethat breakdown. You know, I'm bold
enough to say we need help.I ain't even gonna get into the historical
stuff of what got these communities theway they are. That's a whole nother
story, but just to be honestand say, hey, man, we
need help and we need to befocusing on supporting these families because you know,

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we can't just sit and talk aboutman, they're not parentingy with this,
because that is being linked into thecommunity. And we have for those
of you say, you know,I don't like to bitch without a solution.
I don't like to bring up aproblem without even a half idea of
a solution, even though I maynot there may be a legality or a
something. And that's where sheriff andchief have been very helpful because I have

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this idea or Susanne guys to formera former senator you know, would say,
well, they can't because of thisstatute. Guess what's on my list.
Let's go change that. You know, we they want everyone to be
an educated voter, but where canthe voter just the average guy who can't

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sit here all day, who can'tgo chase us at commissioner meetings in the
middle of the day. They needa summary of who's doing what and not
doing what. That's what we've gotto work on and that's what I'm going
to try and get. Is kindof a Watchdog Accountability website, because the
judges need to be held accountable.And I don't mean held accountable to whatever

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I think, but a voter,and I think this would be a good
year to rally, you know,the troops of of you know, parents
that have lost because they got toget vocal and going to meetings. Because
it's a two part here. Yougot to deal with it on that legislative
level. They got to change somethings because as long as they don't change

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some things, then law enforcement,probation, everybody's hands are tied and they're
gonna keep banking out on that.He's twelve, he's thirteen. We can't
do this, we can't do that, he's this, he's that, all
right, theydn't have that problem likewhat you're saying with me. When I
was thirteen, they found somewhere frommy ass So that piece making sure that

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we're taking care of the kids,even the ones that we have to sit
down for a minute, but wegot to ask ourselves that we're doing everything
that we need to do to makesure that when these kids do run into
these pockets, we could say legitimately, we get chances, legitimate chances.
So we want to. We wantto have that. So we gotta be

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able to support the parents, supportthe community, support more programs. Because
I hear them, I just ain'tfigured it out yet. What they said
about need more to do, that'sa challenge. We gotta figure it out.
We gotta figure it out. That'syou two, me too, everybody,
because I'm looking at my grandkids.They can't just stay in that phone

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like that is retarded. Excuse mefor using that word, but I'm serious,
it's shit crazy. There's too manyhours right there. But that's my
Yeah, So we gotta support theparents. The ones like Amber said that
maybe don't know, but there's alot to do. They need support,
some of them. Lets you getout of hand. Whatever, we gotta

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be there. We gotta be abto support them. That's just just not
one individual. That's collective. Youhave to have a spirit of saying almost
like that village used to be,because what to the way was people like,
get the fuck out my business.But that village was, hey,
bitch, your child is tripping.Can I help you? As the teacher.
The village used to be, wegotta get a little bit of that

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back, you know. So,so that's why I said, those parents
that don't know. They got tobe open to suggestions instead of like,
get the fuck out of my business. Well you have how it's burning down
right hand. Shit's going crazy rightnow. Well, and and I I
am very strong, I think verystrongly about this with the voting one and

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and your culture. Sometimes they don'tlike to vote, they say because they
don't think it matters, or theyjust don't or whatever. I don't know,
why do I think that my votereally matters? Because at this point
I think they do whatever they want. But I'm still going to vote.
Well, I'll say this, andI say this to the black community.

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Uh, we get fired up everyfour years, and I'm saying this to
every community, local, local people, the people that the people that's actually
calling the shots on your life.The president don't really have to I mean,
truthfully, yeah, and I've beenscreaming for this. I implore you

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guys to just even just go login carly rain dot com, find the
commissioner meetings, click on one,because it's local government that is dictating all
of this stuff. National news isa distraction, honestly, it's it pit
pegs people against each other, nomatter which channel you watch, but being

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an educated voter is very hard todo. And I keep coming back to
this because I'm not trying to bashjudges. I'm trying to say, if
you want me to vote on judges, how many people go to the ballot
and go, well, I don'tknow any of these judges. I don't
know what they do. There hasto be a place that you can go
and say, well, this judgekind of leans this way, or this
judge did this. Just saying withthe commissioners, I guarantee ninety percent of

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the people that I've talked to andthat will hear this have no clue what
a Douglas count commissioner does. Youknow the problem I think with all of
you said it earlier, not justblacks. I think it's really we're getting
into a conditional thing again. Sothey want nobody right, well, well,
nobody wants to vote because they reallybelieve it don't matter. Man.

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Back in the you know, thesixties, the fifties, even for blacks,
that's what when I mean, whenthey finally got that vote, that
vote was sacred, what that votemade you feel powerful as hell? It's
just one and that's what people haveto start feeling about their voice. Man,
you are finding this out, andjust think if we had people rolling

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with us, right. So I'msaying that this is how things get changed
on a local level. And ifyou think about it, you triggered something
in my brain. People want totalk about history, they want to talk
about slavery, they want to talkabout the civil rights movement. Your right
to vote was earned by people andthey lost their lives for that. So

(42:12):
don't throw it away. And Ichallenge you know, I really challenge,
and this is a challenge for mywhite brothers and sisters. You hold the
bar on me. I don't remembermany times I went in court. I
know every indictment I've had, this, that and the other. I worry
about us changing, you know,the law and order that I was hit

(42:35):
with all the time, be accountable, Roscoe, this, that and the
other. It's almost like there's afrequency out there. We want to change
the rules, and that's not cool. We have to stand on that.
I don't care if it's black,white, whatever. The rule of law
is all we have. That's thething that we have all been And they
don't get right all the time.It don't get it right all the time.

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But we know that it's supposed togo this way, and this is
how supposed to roll. We're gettingto a point and that's one thing I
worry about when we talk in voting. We're getting to a point to where
it's almost victory. All victory allto me is safer communities. Politicians that

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just ain't talking about giving us safercommunities, right, Politicians just ain't talking
about different things. So I justimplore everybody to shift a little bit from
that. I know it's kind ofcatchy and jazzy out there, but shift
a little bit from that national scene. Take a look at at your local
scene, Like you said, seewho stands for what and how it aligns

(43:45):
with you. One of the bigthings is is with with with with our
teachers. You know, I wasstanding line and advocate all day when we're
gonna pay our teachers more, Ijust don't get it. We pay everybody
else but our teachers, and thenwe set our source so much to them
and they're breaking down and then theycan't and they're ready to graduate that little

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lass whether you can read or write, it's not fair. But you gotta
look at if you're not gonna valueme and what I do for yours.
Well, I think also I thinkthat's part of the system as a whole
doesn't want our kids to think forthemselves. They don't. They don't want

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citizens that think for themselves. Andit isn't black, white, rich,
poor. That's the problem. That'sthat's the curtain. The wizard behind the
curtain is the system. It is. They take spelling tests out of schools,
they take the history out of school. You can't just cancel like what.
And that's why, like I said, we have to be we get

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on this red blue thing, allthis stuff. Man. People have to
and you can't let Facebook and socialmedia dictate your values. And guess what
the jokes on you voters who justgo red blue, because if you actually
take a look at some of yourlocal government, there are people who know

(45:13):
where they live, they know whatthat district is going to pick on color,
but they are completely opposite. Everythingthat they've done has been opposite.
And I don't mean knowing how theyget reelected. But that goes again of
people not paying attention, because ifyou're paying attention to these goofy moves you're
talking about, you know, youwon't even think twice about but like I

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said, we're getting to a pointto where if we don't get our especially
our young people, we don't getthem active and understanding how important their vote
is. I know it sounds socliche and sounds so whatever, it's the
truth, because man, that's reallywhere my faith is at, losing it

(45:58):
there now and then. But theyoung young people they're different, and I
mean in a good way, butI mean they got some bag on them
too. They're a little entitled andall that other goofy stuff. But you
know, but when it comes downto I really think love and respect on
that global level of it ain't likeit used to be of them. I

(46:19):
don't want them being poisoned by us. Neither one of the guys from our
grief group made a comment because therewas a particular person who made a comment
that Carly shouldn't be we can't puta we can't put a picture of that
white girl on the side of thebuilding in North Omaha. But one of
the guys from grief group who said, no, that's completely opposite, that's

(46:43):
wrong. And especially these kids today, they're not like that. They they're
most accepting of all cultures. Butyou know, to be the true Carly.
It wouldn't be her by herself,Carl. Carly would have some others
up there, widder, and shewould have some others up there widder,
and she might be that face there, but she would have some others and
you know, and it wouldn't justbe It wouldn't just be black. Oh

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no, hardly. You know whatthat girl like. She like cultural food
too. I'm telling you, I'mtelling she would not just want that spotlight
just on her solely. No,I just that's just And I have not
known her personally, and I getthem, and you know, i'd be
telling the truth when i'd be sayingstuff. But it's something there, you

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know what I mean, Like likeI'm not gonna let you just out of
your uh because sometime you'll go gether your anger and stuff. It takes
a little bit. I told youthat, I wasn't afraid to neither that
that because you told me you wantto be in that light. And when
you're in that light, you're brilliant. You're a fighter. Oh, you're
so passionate about your daughter, You'reso loving about your daughter. You let

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everybody know what you're missing with yourdaughter being all the things that need to
be conveyed, except you know,sometimes you get into that mode. You
will get in a judgmental mode that'sout of hurt and anger. And then
when you get in that molde that'snot I don't think that's Carly. That
don't mean that you gotta be softand all that. No, the love

(48:14):
part, the love part. Soactually you're being tough, but the love
still have to be there. Sothe toughness is gonna be Amber. Amber
gotta be Amber. But in orderto I think convey you know who your
daughter is and display that accurately.And I just thought about that when you

(48:36):
said that, and I know youknow it's the truth, because that just
the spirit that I get from her, because she wouldn't just put herselfh one.
I think she would put her inher artwork on because Carly would be
pissed. I'm not gonna lie.Carly would be pissed right now because her
friends aren't standing up for her.Yeah, but then would be her friends
that would be her cause and she'sall about cause she's all about you know,

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like with her, it would seemlike she would be You would think
like me if I didn't know andhear from you, I would think she
was this prima donna and just hadto you know, and she you know
what I mean. But then theessence, like you said, you know,
because if you didn't know her,you think she's a pretty white girl,
I'll look at her. But thenjust because she's beautiful, absolutely,

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But then you know, you haveto understand too that to be a pressy
white girl. And there's no no, no down on you pretty white girls
who would not go to the hood. They ain't going nowhere. They're going
nowhere, clear, And then youmight judge them, the pretty white girl
might judge them. What is youdon there? Well, they might judge

(49:45):
you. Why the hell you goto the safari and want to chase tigers
and ship that, you know whatI mean. So everybody got a little
danger in them, you know.And she chose just to be around people.
And it's like me, you know, I have to be honest.
I went places, even in SiouxCity. I went to one of my
what we call our Mankind Warrior weekends, and I went there and it was

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it was a little scary because itwas all white brothers. I had to
spend night and and I was likewhoa man. I was a little creeped
out. And after that weekend,you know what I mean, it just
well, I mean, I mean, I mean honestly, we have to
be honest with that. And thesewere some mens that I built the relationships

(50:30):
with through through when I came outthe FIST, through AA n A,
all this good stuff, right,and they've they've been there for me and
everything, but this was different.It was like, oh my god,
we're in this wooded area camping andall of them are white guys. I'm
the only black. So was thislike when you came to my camper?

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Well, I was used to it. See that's why I'm saying I'm good
now. You know, you gottawash that stuff out sometime, but uh
no, it's just at the endof that weekend, it was so loving.
It was so crazy, and itjust solidified what I already knew.
But yes, did I have amoment of did I do a little too
much? Trust in here? RoscoreYou know that's the human But that comes

(51:14):
from also what we've been fed,what we've seen, what we've heard.
All that can come into your spaceand it may not be the reality which
it was. Carly never let anyof that in her space. That's the
thing. She was like, yourdrama is not my problem. Yeah,
And see that's the thing right therewhen you listening. Some of us can't

(51:36):
be persuaded, but sometimes it's byexperience. So for me, I had
to keep balancing No, Bob Corey, my dudes, they'll never let nothing
happen, you know, seriously,I had to balance that that's not from
experience, that's from what you wereprobably experience too. What you were taking
to the woods by a bunch ofgot chased like a motherfucker back in the

(51:58):
day for East. You know youcouldn't cross You better ask somebody, you
know. It was rough back then, man, they chased and I was
the person in the car going homefrom a baby city at least, you
know, I didn't even know youdid not cross the railroad without ass whooping.
But we had hell as all thatdown there. But you know what,

(52:21):
after after time, it was crazybecause I started buying drugs from the
hell angels. But they also theyalso fought back then. They didn't shoot,
they fought and they would cut yourass up. But they were deep.
They ran. I ran like ahell I ran like a slave.
I was running board. I justknew if they and one and one and
one guy got me over the comeon man, you know I got cool

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with him. Yes, he gotme a cross the bridge. And which
bridge are you talking about? Well, the one I'm talking about this East
Locust Locus Street, Carter Lake.When you crossed that, you didn't have
to get to crawl the lake.Cross that right there, like a little
field of little store right there.All you have to do is crossed that.

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It was it was a railroad track. You're in there. Once you
crossed that, they was like,you can stay on that other side when
you cross that. You I meanit was known any any brothers to tell
you that you didn't. Dudes gotfucked up. We always said that this
guy's in Carter La. There's there'sa it's his guys in Cardi Lake.

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Got the fish that ate up.People got the big ass fishes are coming
up out of it. To me, you want something? No, that
looked like a person needing. Butanyway are around anymore? What? No?
No, I don't know. Theyprobably branched off into you know,
yeah, but but they didn't understandwe were the same fuckers broke poverty Dusty

(53:52):
just had different colors, same circles. And there was a bigger U North
South rivalry too, South omahall Lomasand yeah family at the time, my
Goddeds used to be a part ofand yeah it's Lomas. Yeah, but
there was two Mexican Mafia was overthere for a little bit too, and

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then another one with a number.Oh you're talking about Saraniels thirty. Uh,
Saraniels and Northaniels. No, Idon't even know about. Oh you're
talking about that m yeah, thirteen. Yeah, yeah, And that's when
I remember they were like, oh, no, black people don't come to
Hispanic I'm like what. And Ididn't know that black people and Hispanics hated

(54:36):
each other. Was like, oh, you know, and and and and
and it's it's really weird because thatjust you know, I had friends that
didn't know that neither that I said, hey man, we got to heal
this ship all the way around,you know. And for guys that haven't
you know, been in prison,I mean that's you know, it's wars
that go on, racial wars thatgo on, and you know, at
times when things happened, but mostlyyards that communicate it don't happen because you

(55:06):
know, they talk like safe instanceof Black went over the Area Nation and
he did something, they say,hey man, your dude just took dude
for this that, and the Black'sgonna punish you right same way with Arien
Nation. Hey man, your dudecame over here with that nigga. Shit.
Man, we're gonna do it.And then sometime it gets down to
where it's just those two and thegangs just all right, whoever made up

(55:28):
y'all going there? Who best onecome out? It's just so many men
things that transpire that we're trying toteach these kids that they're not doing,
which because they were older men talk, but they were like eighteen nineteen twenty
back then. Now they're twelve.Yeah, And that's the problem because there's
so much toxicity and pride and machoin it. They don't see that macho

(55:50):
means sitting down and talking because youunderstand, like the tribals, did you
lose more constantly hitting for tat,but you live you yeah, live to
fight another day. They both knewthey were strong tribes. I hit yours,
you canna hit mine. We're gonnago out there, schapule. We're
gonna fuck yours up. You know, it's just back and forth like bloods,
crips, disciples, vice lords,whatever. It's the same thing when

(56:13):
you realize they're just as strong asI am instead of that man fucking bitches.
I'm super hard. I know everybody'shard. You know. That's why
I was so angry because people wouldtell me about Carly like I never thought
in a million years I would besitting here talking about my kid getting killed
in gang crossfire, which I stillwonder if that's even what happened, because

(56:37):
shot eight times? Are you serious? And I'm pissed because I feel like
and I've and I've asked you,I've I know people from down there,
and I'm like, where's the ogshandling these punks? And then I find
out that Omaha gangs are so differentthan any other gang because I I've said

(56:59):
it before. I ran into thatguy in Vegas who was a crip from
Compton or La or I don't rememberwhere fifteen time felon, but he first
thing he said to me was,oh, no, that's green light.
They took out a young girl likethat, especially a young white girl who
didn't have anything to do with anythingwasn't even dating to you know, No,

(57:21):
that's green light. They'll handle it. They don't hear. And all
I'm told is they're not going tohandle it Amber because she wasn't in it.
Yeah the thing, you know,Yeah, they go back and forth
too like that. But the thingis is, you know, to be
truthful even in gangs. And it'sstill accountability, the mob's accountability, Irish

(57:44):
gang accountabilit but now there's not Russiangangs accountability and there's some time in that
accountability. We know it. Ohgeez know it. You have to punish
your own right. None of that'shappening. And actually the opposite, they're
encouraging the young. Yep, thereyou know, and that was something that

(58:05):
we didn't do neither. If youwasn't ready, you wasn't coming. And
the community is not saying hey,and I'm sorry, because you know,
I heard a lot of people say, well, you know, that white
girl was down here and she gotkilled, and now it makes the neighborhood
seem bad. And I've been livedto this neighborhood forever and it's a nice
neighborhood. Where's the neighborhood saying no, you were bringing negative to our community,

(58:28):
get the fuck out. No,they can't. It can't make that,
can't make that asserttion anyway, becausebefore Carly has been numerous Man,
you have to I guarantee if youif you went back and did a study,
try to see if you could.I wish I could. I probably
bring a lot of pain though ifI could go all the way back to

(58:49):
at least eighty eight, eighty eightynine, up until now by building itself
had a lot of killing. Man, let me tell you something. You
would think now you would you know? And like me coming back home,
I had to desensitize myself to whereeverywhere was in some memorial where somebody I
knew something happened, somebody was Andit's like that in Northumbhall for me,

(59:13):
if I really want to lock inand be like boom, boom boom,
that that happened there, that happenedthere. No, So I had to
block a lot of that out.But I was saying, if you went
back to a study and asks forthe deaths and from nineteen eighty eight more
the height I left in eighty six, but it reaches it started reaching this

(59:36):
height in eighty eight eighty nine.With yeah, but it builded. Eighty
eight is when it started to build. So you would kind of start there
and just see an escalation, butyou would see how many of these kids
and it'll blow you away. Youyou hear you hear so many, Carlies,

(59:57):
I'm telling you. You want tosee so oh many, and and
it could anger you. It couldinvigorate you too, even more to know
that, Man, this is weird. I mean you you know we are
part of a fraternity. The numberI want is how many violent repeat felons
offend while on pre trial release?And you could get that in there too.

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One of the things I know,yeah, one of the things I
know that it's not gonna come outof there. And this is what I'm
telling you far as OG's and everybodyof how we fail these kids. It's
one of the reasons why I don'tpress so hard on them. They gotta
be accountable. But man, whenyou really look at the odds of these
some of these kids are up againsteven today, it's really sad because they

(01:00:44):
didn't ask to be here, andthe people that got them here, shit,
had some fucking instruction And if youdidn't, you should have been open
to it. And so now thatwe don't have all that. We need
to go back to the table.We need to admit that we don't know
what the fuck we're doing and haven'tbeen doing it right, and then we
need to get some guidance. Areyou going to do that? In that
culture? Easy be available because theywant it. It's just you have to

(01:01:07):
break down the walls as a matterof trust. It's a lot of pride
involved in that. Mothers don't wantto Nobody wants to say they fail.
But when you understand that lives areon the line, my daughter's life on
the line, my son life onthe line. This house is about to
get shot up. When things getthat bad, it's time to ask for
some damn help. Okay, andhopefully you ask for it before that,

(01:01:30):
maybe when when their grades starting toslip, maybe when it looked like they
want to try to hang around.Certain things are a little different than it
used to be. We need toask for it. So you do have
guys out of it. I mean, like right now, that's what Dion
and myself is doing. We're goingto the ogs. But you also want

(01:01:51):
to have to do the work.Yeah, but we're going to the OG's.
We got to tell them that it'sokay, they'll listen. So it's
another branch that had to go tothem because they almost like everybody else.
Fuck them, young cats. Theyain't listening, but I'm telling them.
But I'm telling them, they ain'tlistening because we wasn't around it fun to
hear any fucking thing. We werelocked up, mandatory minimums, all that

(01:02:13):
shit. We were gone. Theygrew up. Well, the moms wasn't
gonna be able to raise no menby themselves. They don't know how first
thing they did was kept them onthe titty, some of them too long.
Well, and that you just tookthem off that titty. This is
an observation from the outside looking in, and it's not meant for disrespect.
I'm sure some will take it thatway, but from the outside looking in.

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In a black culture, the thewomen like the matriarch, the grandma,
the mom, they're they're kind oflike, oh, we don't fuck
around with mom. But if momtells you don't do this, it's over
and over and over that they're reallynot respecting mom because they're going out and

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fucking doing it. Yeah, Well, what happened was is that, like
I said, the breakdown if youcan even look at it from from tupac
mama, A Phoenie Shakur, astrong woman. Rather you agree with her,
you know her politics or not,but you know what she stood for.
But strong woman and being in thatenvironment. Yes, she made a
choice to use crack cocaine and allthat that crush. No one knows what

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you're talking about. Just a Phoeniechakor Tupac's mother. I know who she
is, but she went she youknow, and they should I mean it's
been, it should be. Youknow, some of them should know.
His mother used crack. And thepoint I'm making is it crushed him as
a young man. That is whathappened a lot in our communities. We

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lost that trust in our parents indifferent things, and then we got to
understand how that happened to them.See that's the piece nobody else, that's
the historical part. When you whenyou when you imparvish and oppress what I
mean, generation trauma. Absolutely,but everybody don't. Everybody don't have opportunities.

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They now I'm gonna argue, becausethey got opportunity for school, they
got opportunity to not get in trouble, they got opportunity. You know,
there's a lot of black guys thatcame out of it, think about absolutely.
But what I'm talking about is youcan't balance it. There's no way.
And then you got a system that'sgiving welfare out there and saying this
is an option. Everything was gearedto do. Everything was geared in the

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black community for it to be theway that it was. And all I'm
saying is through that conditioning, there'speople that's gonna make some bad choices.
We can debate all the day,because you know, there's people that make
some good choices too out of that. Some people said, I'm not finna
do no drugs, no matter howimparties, no matter how much you know
what I mean, find a way. But you look at the odds of

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that because it's geared. The systemis geared against. So you're gonna get
a percentage that's going to fight.They asked through it. Now, that's
a whole earth thing. The welfaresystem does not want you off of it.
So what I'm saying is we gottaalways look at that piece too before
we say, oh, these peoplejust gave up, didn't want nothing.

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We have to understand that all thattaking place. Where are we at today?
We at today at a place whereand this is not about going to
white or anybody else you're oppressed asyou didn't know. It's saying this is
where we're at today. In orderfor us to be at the tackle is
because it goes both ways. Whiteshave to say, yeah, we you

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know, not actually I did this, You didn't do this. Generational.
This stuff is generational, But weare happening to be the generation that says
we're gonna do something about it.So you're not gonna convict me, you're
not gonna hold me in trial.I agree, some historically bad things has
happened. What do we do aboutit? That's your accountability minds is saying,

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do some things wrong as a resultof it's made some very bad choices.
This is where we're at right now. The answer on money we need
he oh, no money right now. I say this, if we don't
get these urban communities the emotional supportthat they need through the trauma and all

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this stuff and build them up tobelieve that they really actually have value and
can go on and meet opportunity becauseit's not there right now, it's dead.
You can put as much money inthat pot as you want. I'll
give you example of how you'll makeit worse in just a second. And
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Roscoe Wallace and he is going tofinish up what he started saying about the

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money and what reparations, and thatmoney isn't the answer for reparations, no,
no, no, Now, wedo need to create opportunity, and
that may be in the form ofalways in the form of some kind of
money, but to just present somemoney to the community. Just look at

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it like this. There's a lotof us that don't have any financial literacy.
Blacks happen to be the biggest consumerson earth. Yeah, because we
don't owe nothing and we buy everything, all right, So were the biggest

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consumers over the almost like six billionssomewhere. We're just terrible. We only
make up twelve thirteen percent of thenation's population. It's just terrible. But
I say all that to say this, what do you think if they just
said, Okay, we're giving everyfamily one hundred thousand whatever, We're gonna
continue being consumers for the most part. There's gonna be some of us,

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it's gonna be entrepreneurs and do theirthing. But collectively, I'm getting ready
to go there that where I'm going. Now, you give that to a
family the mother and father already wasaddicted by already neglecting the kids or whatever
and neglecting their health and buy andfitting on, and those checks are about

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to come like like like stimulus checks. You probably gonna kill that family.
You're gonna kill that mom and dadbecause you're gonna turn that habit. You're
gonna turn that thing. You gonnaMan, it's like a radio knob.
You think it was at one andtwo and baby going up to nine and
ten. So I'm saying, don'tyou think design too? Yes, But

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what I'm saying is now less structurallyput that together to where we have certain
things like, uh, community healingcenters to support families over here, financial
literacy, teaching people about the simplicityof just having a Social Security card to
credit and teaching us about being economicallyviable, saying, you know, like

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every other immigrant and everybody else,we're not immigrants, but everybody else came
and took nothing and made something.But shouldn't the schools also teach that?
And they don't, Well they didn't. Yeah, the financial literacy piece should
be in there, but if it'snot in there with the school, and
it should be more than anything.But we have delegated a lot of things
to the school to now the schoolwant to tell you what they're gonna teaching

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what they're not, which is notanything. Like you understand what I'm saying.
So there's a things at home,just like historical stuff, and I
believe that blacks, you know,shouldn't be delegating all of that to white
schools anyway. I'm just keeping itreal. You gotta teach them something about
you gotta know something about your history. So what's the answer. The answer

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is to create these opportunity, opportunisticpockets that's gonna feed you know this.
The whole intent is the uplift rightto kind of you know, uplift not
to pay no debt and give youno It should be because of all these

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years. You see what I mean, it should be now a focus on
how do we lift you, notin pain up buildings all that, and
actually how do we invest in thecommunity and the people, the actual people
there well, and the reparations thatget the national attention and rile people up

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and get riot. It's just anotherdistraction from what is actually needed. But
I do believe that blacks need thatsupport in the community, and I don't
think it's no hand out, butyeah, but I'm saying it shouldn't be
in the handout of no damn welfare, nothing like that neither. You know,
blacks have built the country. Theyhave done a lot of different things
that they haven't got money for.They've they've they've you want to talk about

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intellectual properties being stolen, there's alot of blacks that have created things.
They didn't have enough knowledge that somebodytook it. So, yes, that's
a lot of what they've done,But that's part of the oppression. What
I'm saying is when we look atthem the same way we did with natives,
the same way we did with ourJewish community, coming out of the

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harm and the hurt and recognizing it, we tried to create and for them,
basically reservations and different things for themto build, and and and and
and agriculture and do things for themselves. But they do it absolutely. And
that's what I'm saying. But Blackshave never had that boost other than the
COVID stimulus. But you see whatI'm saying. It shouldn't be a family

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one families. It should be acalculated effort when you're talking about when you're
talking about even getting loans and stuff. Right, But isn't that also So
in three point sixty, that guycomes in talking about neighborhoods again, taking
that's your community, and he's tryingto break it down into our neighborhood.

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And we don't want this in ourneighborhood. So we're gonna stand up and
we have neighborhood Watch and blah blahblah. There's not that community peace where
they do stay. I'm you goover to that neighborhood because we don't want
But one thing we never did wasbecause I'm telling you, you put that,
you put that in the picture.You know, even with the tribes,

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you know they started cleaning it upbecause nothing now they did. Now
they did start discriminating against each otherin one tribe. We're better than y'all.
We're better than you know, that'swhat you have look out for.
But it was upliftment natives with them. But here's the here's going to be
the argument. If you're if you'rein a pocket of Omaha, the culture

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is in a pocket, you cando that yourself. People could be uplifting
to each other. Yeah, butthat's to each other. But that's the
whole point of reparations. It's thenation admitting the wrong. Do you know
how much trust goes along with thattoo? It's not just the money,

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you know. I mean, that'spart of the harm, the accountability.
The nation has never apologized. ButI also don't think that a lot of
people understand or are willing to admitit isn't just black people that were slaves.
But the point is is that blackpeople suffered the most. Well.

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I bet a former white slave wouldargue, well, suffered, no,
because what happened was when they cameover, Europeans came over and they were
prejudiced against other Europeans. What happenedwas that's where I like to see us
at down because we were functioning together, and we started talking about, hey,

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why are we doing so bad?Because we were seeing that little bitty
families here and there had it all, and all of us worked and maintained
it. This before this move righthere during the Willie Lynch when the powers
to be white said we need todivide them. They're too close. See,

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we didn't even see white this andthat, we seen poverty. Will
you gotta do your history. I'mtelling y'all out there, do your history.
Everybody would say, maga, Trumpvoters all this, Why are we
looking at each other? Strange onecome out of the projects, the barrios
and one and the trailers. Theywas together. And then the rich,

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seeing that it was a threat tothem because we started coming together, say
hey, we're doing every why aren'twe? Where are we second class?
So again the distraction, so andthat's what happens. So now we're gonna
put one up and we're gonna callthem the overseer of the other one.
And that's why we had the relationshipsthat we have today with officers. Mm

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hmm okay, because the overseer camefrom officer and that same, that same
system, systematic thing is there.That's why our relationships are broken down right
now because the officer is the onewith the whip for the slave masters to
keep me in check. So we'renot looking at it as accountability of laws.

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We're looking at it as oppression.So that's why we have to come
back going to be how many peopleright now, cauld say there's even anyone
that's alive that was a slave?Yeah, but yeah, you know what
I'm saying, So yeah, butthat's what But that's but that's what I'm
trying to tell you, how manypeople alive whites that has slaves? See,

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so I at my point exactly butbut that's what I'm trying to tell
you. But the point of thematter is the harm is still there.
We just happened to be here forwe We wasn't the ones that maybe created
it per se, but we stillrepresented I promise you that. But what's
the harm. That's the harm?The harm? No, the harm still

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there is whites benefited off of slavery, off the slave hands, and they
never reap no benefit for So that'sthe harm. The harm today this is
a mighty nation and we have somany black pockets that are suffering. We
don't just give everybody, it said, but they damn show could. We
promised it for the acres and themele, but we don't want to do

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that because, like I told you, that would be helping them at all.
I can even look at some ofthe situations with the reservations. It's
still a lot of alcoholism and alot of that on there. But they
did give them their spaces, evenin that realm if they gave blacks their
spaces. But blacks wouldn't want thatbecause we feel like, no, we've
did too much work. We're assimilated. We're part of this nation and that's

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the part that has to be accepted. It's not just your slave, but
you you helped build this nation.You're an American? Do you think that
some people you see what I'm saying. Do we believe that blacks are Americans?
You see what I'm saying. That'swhere they trouble for calling them.
It's a new title every day thatwe're supposed to call you, not call

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you. It's like and it's thesame with LGB. But you got to
understand. You gotta understand that humanbut that harm was you got it.
You can't be insensitive to it becausewhites did create that harm, not you,
maybe not your family, but it'sthere and we have to deal with
it. But why do people getoffended if you say black? Then people
get offended if you say after anAmerican? It is because of it.

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It's because of the harm. Wehave to get around them. A little
bitty ticky titles me and you canonce we dialogue. It's a trust issue.
It's like what you're trying to say. What you're trying to say?
You see what I mean? Becausewe don't have the trust because the harm.
Let's even start with an apology,and that's national apology. That would

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fucking lift black people up, Like, are you serious? That's the problem
because I'm gonna apologize who they wantan apology for the nation. It has
to come from the president himself,so he has to apologize, and Congress
and everybody else have to bag down. Didn't they say that when they stopped
civil No, get slavery still onthe books? What do you mean they

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change the laws? They left itthere for jails. It's still there for
jail, but the jails are openfor white people. But I'm still saying
it's slavery. It shouldn't be thatway. We shouldn't be dehumanized like that.
I don't give a damn what coloryou are, So if you kill
someone should go back to hanging.Know what I'm saying is is simply this.

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We have to recognize that that's anugly part of our past. We
just can't. You know, wegotta deal with it the same way people
gotta deal with they hurt your daughter. You're not just gonna brush that over.
You'll never be okay with that.But do you think, well,

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she didn't have any children, butautumns the history of the South though,
and what was done? I mean, do you know the trauma, the
hanging from trees, cutting me intesticles, off comes, snatching them out
of house. It was brutal.So I'm saying that there's some harm there
that has has generated. Maybe itdidn't happen to me and my father or

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but it happened and it's still inthat conscious. So now when me and
Amber get together, we gotta processthat stuff. We can't act like that
didn't happen because it didn't happen tome and you. We gotta know that.
We gotta hold two communities that stillfeel that. But that's the whole
point of the history. Because manlearns from history and they want to take

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down statues and they want to erasethings that happened. You can't erase it.
I wouldn't. I would no,I wouldn't erase it. But it
has its proper place. If youput those statues in a courthouse down,
I'm gonna be very I'm gonna alreadysay this is stacked against me. Put
them in a monument like a museum. It shouldn't be in. No,
and that's what she did. Iagree with Haley when she did that.

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It should have been done that.No, you don't erase history. That's
all that slavery, all that makesus the great nation that we are today
exactly when you learn from it,but also healing when we can. So
you said that we gotta stop likeacknowledge, not acknowledging it, because that's
our biggest issue in our And I'mtelling you from a black loving brother like

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myself. I'm speaking on what thatissue is because black's always said when we
go there, boom shut down,or we in a workspace, Oh,
she owned that or he owned that. No, let them be hurt in
that space. Come to say damn. You know, well, I think
white people will. I've never donethat to you, right, You see
what I mean. That's how youbreak that shit down and you start saying,

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Okay, I understand what happened toyou, but you cannot denounce.
Okay, but I didn't, Andwhy don't you let it go? That's
the worst we can do, becausethat's the same thing if somebody told you
that about Carly, let it go, You're gonna kick their ass. So
you see what I'm saying. It'snot about indicting. It's about us recognizing,

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like you say, in our history, you are so correct. You
don't shovel that shit down. That'slike me right now. The next time
I get on the mic, I'llcome in and I'll talk about a little
bit of my history, okay,because it it made me great. But
you can't. But you're still astruggle hold on. Some black people want
to hold on to that over hereto make it okay to No, you

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can't, you can't. You can't. You can't use it. You can't
use a black card every time it'sconvenient, because what it does is it
denounces and takes away from what we'rehaving right now. That discussion, because
the black card tends to convict indict, and that's the worst thing we can
do with our white brothers and sisters. You already somewhere in you, I

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promise you, whenever you get through, you have to feel bad about that.
If you're a good, decent humanbeing, right, you have to
feel that. But you don't wantsomebody beating you with it. That's like
me, I don't like being calleda cheating no, no, gedd.
But you ain't got to tell meevery five minutes. But you know what
I'm saying. Nobody wants to bebeat with that in order for us to

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come to the thing and say,Okay, how do we today twenty twenty
four, we ain't talking about no, nineteen sixty five, forty three.
How do we do it now?And that's where I move it to it,
and I know the way that wedo it. It's restoratively accountability.
That's as simple as an apology.That's a real look not to not to

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all this woke black stuff. No, no, let's look at the real
history so our kids will understanding notto feel like, oh they're gonna get
badger for this. No they're not. People already know that know. What
it would do is it would bringso much credibility because there's a dialogue some
of the things that's happened. Wewanted to whitewash. We can't, just

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like blacks today can't whitewash or blackwash some of this shit that they doing
to their own right. It's connected. You can't whitewash or black wash it.
So what do we do. Wecome together, we try to solve
it. And the way we solveit is is what what is the harm?
What do you? What is theharm? How can we rectify that

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that's not you the individual, that'sthat's a nation and we have to be
ready for that, and that haveto look like something like we're not just
giving every black this because then whiteswould be like, what the fuck about
me? I wasn't into slavery.I didn't do that because they don't understand
the full magazine Senser can't be giveme money at all. But we have
to understand that there is a segmentof population of our people that was done

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wrong and we need to try tofind our best way to meet them right
where they are to uplift them.But again, you said that could just
be started off as poverty people togetherpoor people. Yes, yes they did,
but now it sounds like it's thesame thing. Know what happened people,
what happened first from that? Spentoff from that, that's how you

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start getting your middle class. Youleave it to beavers. Was white's first
right. Black still was servient.It was so bad that after slavery,
that's the first laws that blacks violated. You know what I mean. It
was trespassing vacacy because they didn't havenothing. They had. All they had
was freedom. They didn't have nothing. They just dropped them in the street.
And then that's why they kept thelaws in the book about slavery and

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incarceration. So you still underserve thetwo if I can convict you of a
crime, And that's how you startputting blacks back into service too. You
see what I'm saying. All thoseare harms that we never gave them an
opportunity to say. Okay, nowyou're free, fly, fly fly.
But earlier you made a comment about, well, they're making all this money

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off of they're making all this moneyoff of us, and we're building this
and hey, what's up. Idon't think that argument can be made right
now. Though, well, thething is, you got to understand how
the overseer benefited. But our overseernow not our overseer are are the rich,
is the system and the big coledge. What I'm trying to tell you,

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so, why the hell is Magaand blacks not together? Because we're
letting elitists tell us what we needand they don't give a damn and guess
what, And they've never felt whatwe felt in the in the in the
in the ghettos, the trailers,the barrios, never felt none of our

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Honger pains. And they're making usbelieve that we're we're enemies of each other
and we had to be on theirprograms with I'm like, I'm like,
what the hell am I? Whatwould I have against Rex and and Amber?
We're struggling like them. And that'sthe same way. When you go

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to work, don't let nobody tellyou that white person next to you got
the job and better. I willsay I have witnessed white privilege, but
I also have witnessed this. I'vegotten jobs in front of white people.
Yep. I'm not paying that tosay that they ain't you know, they
ain't. No discrept liatory stuff outthere. I say that to say,
keep working, baby, and wegot to all keep working for your cof

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in the sense of we have tounderstand that first and foremost we human beings.
We have feelings, We hurt.Oh, if I can't have empathy
for another human being, I haveto start checking myself. I have to
ask myself. You know, howwas I raised? What's my values?

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My principles? Am I sociopathic?You know what I mean? I mean,
you know, you know why amI so disconnected? And yeah?
But you know the thing is,we have to understand And that's the biggest
point for me right now. Ithink that would be the biggest thing for
the nation to see that we areall one. We gotta figure this thing

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out. What affects you affects me? And I'll say this, what have
really shown me that in particular isthis weather and some of the things that
that's what they call national disasters thathas happened. They don't choose what neighborhoods
they're going to, they don't choosewhat people they're going to. They don't

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choose who they're gonna affect, howmuch money you have or anything. But
then you see the end result ofit. You see, if it's a
rich neighborhood, poor or whatever orcombine, everybody is going to get demolished
and hit the same way. They'regonna have the same feelings of hopelessness and

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loss and right and all that goodstuff. So I just hope that it
don't take some type of natural disasteror something major to the levels of ninet
eleven and stuff like that. Iworry about stuff like that bringing us together.
We don't need that. We cancome together without that. If that

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brought us together, well it didfor a minute. Unfortunately for a little
minute. I mean you can seeit in the pos I mean, people
was not liking Bush and nine toeleven k man. That man had cloud.
He had about ninety percent of thecountry. I mean, anytime you
get ninety percent of this country,you're doing something. Sixty percent you off
the chain. But that just showsI mean, from Congress down, we

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was hit. Americans felt hit.This is where we have to understand.
I think this is where what we'vebeen saying about again, local government.
A lot of politicians, you know, it used to be statesmen. It
used to be the guy that wantedto help his country now it's not.
It's it's life long. They're makingmoney off everything, doing nothing, telling

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you how to spend your money,telling you, oh, we'll give you
this free, but vote Democrat orvote this because we're gonna give you and
we know what's best for your money. But promises, all this stuff,
but there not in tune with us. I mean, do they really represent
you? And that's where I feellike one local government, because look what

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happened. First I was just Iwas just the mad mom, the white
west old lady, all that.And then I'm like, no, see,
it's not just this. It's publicsafety, and you guys aren't doing
what's in public safety. So here, let me bring Roscoe. He's not
West. Oh, they'll let mebring Alicia. Let me bring so Then

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the whole room, which seemingly usuallyspeaks opposite, we were speaking the same
thing. That's that's the that's mypoint. That's where I'm going back to.
You gotta check that out. Thisis this is this is this is
during slavery, they were slaves.The whites realize back then, Damn,

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I ain't much further from it,right, you know, some it was
a class thing. Back then,it was a real big class thing,
you know, if you you know, I mean some people can even see
it from a what's the movie Titanic? Oh yeah, yeah, that's what
I'm talking about. Right there,she ain't nowhere in the world she's supposed

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to been dealing with him. Yep, it was all class. So that's
what it was looked at like thatwhat was his name? Again? He
was kicking it right there with meon the plantation. We was playing cards
and shit kicking it. And upthere at the house they was like,
don't you even go near him?But he's a white boy. I don't
care what he is he's with youknow. That's and we realize that and

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then we start having a voice.Hey, right, and that's where the
division started. This nation was builton divide and conquer. But again they've
also programmed us to think the peoplethat we vote for need to be like
they have to have a clean slate, and they have never gotten in trouble

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and they don't do this. Youknow what that tells me they haven't lived,
they don't know, or they doit some hell of hiding and faking.
Right. They have the money tohide it, they have. So
if someone told me that I shouldrun for something that I thought about it,
and I'm the first thing in mymind was, well I went to
Tarpeacona jail, you know. Butat the same time, it shouldn't stop

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you anyway, But it don't stopvoice about that. It gives me my
daughter was murdered. It gives mea voice about that. I'm well,
those are some of your most powerfulmessengers. Just like the lady was mad,
moms. I mean she was pissed, and she come out the gate
pissed, and I mean, yousee almost lost. She's changed. I
mean, you know, I mean, you know, you got people you

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can go back, even tell myseat belts and everything else. But it
took somebody yelling and screaming, andit came from her loss. But she
was a hell of a messenger whocould deny it, just like in your
situation, you know, and mindhell, you know your messages and and

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and the thing about that is sometimesyou're dealing with people that that can't even
fathom this happening to their child.So they think, like me and you
are on Mars or something. Itonly happened from it. Yeah, but
you going through it, every mother, every father, every person you sit

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down with, they're gonna relate,they're gonna know because it's coming from a
place. And so yes, that'sone of the reasons I talk highly about
peer to peer facilitation over therapy.I know, you know, I ain't
trying to knock pizer and therapists outof business and everybody, but I'm telling
you I've seen the greatest results whentwo peers sat down, two people that

(01:33:53):
have went through the same thing andthat could relate to the same thing.
That's what they don't want. Andthat's that's where I struggle with. Are
representatives that's what they're called, right, Are they really representing you and me?
I mean, can they really connectwith any of our struggle or life
experiences. There's probably only a handfulbecause when they come from a certain place,

(01:34:17):
how are they in touch with theirvoter That's like, you know a
few of them on there, andI ain't gonna speak of names, but
and that's okay to have, youknow, college degrees and all that stuff.
You know, I get it,but I always feel that on boards
or whatever, you really need tohave some real lived experience in there.

(01:34:41):
And the reason I say that isis because the issues that we be tackling
and talking about I mean, yougotta have some type of real connection to
really come up for a solution forthat issue. Unless you're really just an
open minded I want to hear allyour story message, you might be that
type of person. You have tosit back and you have to really want

(01:35:02):
to learn, though, right becauseif you from that position, you gotta
really want to learn. And whatruns politics? Now? Money it has
nothing to do with I mean,when you have to raise a certain amount
of money and that's how they're gaugingthe polls. Oh well he didn't raise
that much money. What does thathappen to you? Let me tell you
this though. Just like we justput the owners back on the family,

(01:35:26):
so y'all need to help. It'sthe same thing with the voters, the
same thing with the people. Thepeople have this in their power. That's
why we go right back and rightback to where we started. Educate yourself,
know what you vote for, Knowhow powerful your vote is. Because
if you keep on letting these peoplein office, they gonna keep doing what
they doing. They're going against yourvalues, they're going against your principles.

(01:35:47):
They're going against what you sent themor thought you sent them. To do.
So it still go back to theconstituency, you know, And that's
just how it is. We haveto because I'm starting to worried that,
you know, the same thing happeningto the church. The kids going opposite
way. Well they say, theysay the government works for us, but

(01:36:10):
give me one person that actually believesus. And I have a little bit
of problem with the church and thestate. Thing with the government is that
because when you get elected in office, what do you put your hand on?
Mm hmm, Well, how's thata separate churches? But you see
what I mean, how's that aseparation? You're elected official, but you
you're sitting here and you are basicallythey should have their own book. You're

(01:36:33):
swearing one. You're swearing on thebook. Yeah, there should be some
capital book or something, right,And I really don't think you're just supposed
to be separating the two. Clearlyover the years has shown that they don't
care what they're swearing on, justlike a fellow doesn't care. I leave
you with this is like that dollarbill that God we trust. I mean,
we got im on there too.So there's not a separation in the

(01:36:54):
state and the money. I mean, a church in the money. I
get it all right. All right, Well this has been fun. We'll
have to do it again. Uh. And I'm gonna make you use those
tissues next time. Yeah, Imight get naked next time. WHOA good
thing. It's a voice only show, all right. Thanks. That was

(01:37:16):
Roscoe Wallace and we will have himback. Lots of information. I appreciate
you guys listening again Carly Rain dotcom. If you want to know how
to get involved, how to help, and if you just want to follow
up with commissioner meetings, judiciary committees, et cetera, et cetera, have
a good day. This is youhave seen the last of me.

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