EP 9 pt 1 LISA tells of MURDER by a felon, on video... is he punished?

Lisa reaches out to help with Karly,
Murder in Philly and caught on video... by a felon.... lack of consequence

Episode Transcript

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Hello and thank you for joining foranother episode of Carly Rain Matters.

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This is the portion where I wantto give you an update on Carly's case.
As of now today February third,twenty twenty four, we still have
not gone to court for one ofthe people who was charged with Carly's murder.
There are still other shooters out therethat shot Carly. She was shot

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with three guns and shot eight times. Update right now is last week the
defendant I'm a tep Davis decide hewanted to fire his attorney after a month
two months before saying that he wantedto keep his attorney who was ill.

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And now that we are supposed togo to court on February twentieth, now
he wants to fire his attorney andthat was granted. So now he has
a new attorney that was appointed bythe court, and we have no court
date. So for those of youwho were planning to follow the court case
or to attend to honor Carly,go ahead and take it off the calendar

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because yet again, we have beenpostponed. There is no current date as
of now, and we will keepyou updated as to when that happens.
I hope that everyone keeps Carly Carly'sstory out there, keeps her story alive.
We are pushing a year and ahalf here. Her birthday will be

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in April, and we still havenot gone to court, so it isn't
something you can just move on fromwhen you haven't even gotten to try and
get justice for your daughter. Soanyway, thank you for listening, and
this episode should be a good one. You will enjoy a lot of the

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information and please, as always,give us feedback, give us questions,
who would you want to hear fromand share Carlrain dot com some episodes previously
recorded. We all just need toget together and figure it out for the
future of I guess society and sothat children like my daughter Carly Rain would

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do not get a demise like shedid. On November thirteenth, twenty twenty
two. Welcome Lisa. Hello,If you could tell me your full name,
that would be awesome. Lisa Luccini. All right, So I brought
Lisa in today because she has alot of different experiences in the way of

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everything that we talk about on here. Uh. And so we're going to
start with a couple things and thenwork into your other experiences out of state
as well. So we're going togo back to when you heard about Carly
and how that happened and what youthought when it happened. So when I

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first heard about it, I sawit across the news and I recognized the
name right away, and I thought, no, that can't be. Then
I saw the picture. I waslike, no, that's not her,
because Carly to me was somebody whowas blonde, and you know, I've
been seeing her pictures for so longand everything, and this girl was dark
haired and did not look like theCarli that I knew. And so,

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you know, upon further investigation,it was that Carly. And I saw
you, you know, online andon the news and everything, and I
was like, this can't be happening. Then I heard the details about or
as the details were emerging, youknow, we started to hear what had
happened, and I'd heard that she'dbeen shot eight times, and I just
couldn't even believe that, you know, how did that happen? Why was

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she there? Who is she with? What was she doing there. You
know, all those questions are comingout and everything, and you know there's
some answers, and of course yousee the online media what they say and
how horrible things can be when peoplestart jumping to conclusions. Oh yeah,
you mean the the I guess armseat quarter armchair quarterbacks they call them,

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or the peanut gallery. Yeah,the keyboard cowboys. Yeah, the people
that don't know anything about the situationyet have the largest loudest opinion and don't
know anything about the victim. It'sI mean, it's to be expected with
anything you ever see on like ascanner or a story. There's just people

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that just I don't know, ifit's no compassion or just class, I
don't know, but I think they'repeople who just have never been in that
situation and they don't have the empathyto digest what's happening. But you would
think you would think then say nothing, You would think or say saying read
it, say nothing or read itand go oh jees, that's so bad.

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Not What were some of the thingswe heard, like, well,
that's what happens when you hang outwith gang bangers, right, which Carly
did not frequently hang out with gangbangers, and if she knew anyone like
that, I'm sure they weren't advertisingthat that's what they were. So yeah,
and we had to. You know, my other daughter tried to screen

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me from a lot of that,like, don't read it, but in
my mind, I've been through allthat my self with bullying, and it
just shows ignorance when you are gonnaspeak about things like that, especially if
someone who just died that way andyou don't know the situation. So yeah,

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so and and to give a littlebackground on how you and I knew
each other, we didn't hang outevery day. In fact, we didn't
talk a lot. We had thesame circles, but we knew of each
other and we're cordial. And Ithink we played a really good game of
a giant Jenga. It got reallyhigh one time, like the highest I've

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ever seen it. I mean,we were acquaintances, like right, had
the same general circle of friends andeverything. But when this happened, I
knew I could help you, yes, And so I reached out. And
I in the middle of my zombiestate and just turmoil and disbelief and what

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just happened, and haze of seeingmessages come through, I was like,
oh, Lisa, which and andhonestly, Carly changed her hair color all
the time, and she had justchanged it from the bright platinum blonde to
black, sighting I need to givemy hair a break, and because she
was all about the health of herhair and doing everything perfectly, so she

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had just changed it to black recently, and she liked it, but she
made she liked everything she did.So then when I got the message from
you, I was probably in thebathtub because that was the only place that
I didn't have a headache. Andthen it was like, oh, and

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you had said that you have afamily member that died by a gunshot and
had an experience, and you werelike, you need to do this and
I can help you, and don'tdon't. I'm not stepping over bounds,
I hope, but I want tohelp. And it was helpful and knowledgeable

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to like, Oh, someone's willingto help, not just ask me eight
thousand questions on top of it.Right, maybe I didn't even know.
So your experience that motivated you toshare what you had learned. Do you
want to share that a little bit? So my nephew Dave was in Philadelphia

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and in Philadelphia Tuesday night. It'skind of like the night to go out.
You know, there's a lot ofdrink specials in the city and everything,
and the culture is you go out, you party whatever, and after
you're done, you go out andgrab something to eat. So then how
old was Dave? Dave was twentyone, okay, and you go out,

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you eat, and you go homeafter that. So a lot of
these places in Philadelphia are open twentyfour hours a day. So the food
play, the food places, yes, so Famous Phillies, Yes, Well
it was Pat's King of Steaks AwayFamous, which is the really big famous
chees steak house in Philadelphia. Witor with with wit or without wit or

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without without wit without And then youmove right, you can get out of
the way. You just get outof way. So him and his girlfriend
had left the bar that they wereat and they decided to go grab some
cheese steaks. And when she gotout of the car, she dinged the
door next to her, and thesepeople were still sitting in their vehicle,
and the girl jumped out and shewas very upset, and she decided,

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you know, to yell and screamand everything, and I get it,
you know, I would be upsettoo if it was me. But she
carried on and carried on screaming atmy nephew's girlfriend, and then her boyfriend
jumped out of the car and hestarted screaming at her too. This is
over a door, a door ding, not like open the door slaming.
This is I opened the door,I tap and oh no, there's a

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ding. Upsetting for a lot ofpeople. Yes, but do we need
to resort to this type of violence? No? So wow, my nephew
gets out and he says, hey, you can't talk to my girlfriend like
that. I'm sorry, And that'swhen the argument really started between him and
this man. So now they allgo get in line at Pat Steaks,
and Pat Steaks is all outside andthere's a lot of lighting. There's cameras

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everywhere. There's a line twenty fourhours a day. There's a full staff
twenty four hours a day, sowitnesses everywhere. So they argued, exchange
words because of the women started,Yes, the one girl and the other
girl. Was anyone intoxicated in thiswhole scenario? Like lack of judgment,
I guess in my judgment. Itwas Tuesday night and everybody had been out

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Thursday, Tuesday, Tuesday, Soeverybody had been out, So, yes,
people have been drinking. Was anybodyto the point of oblivion? No?
Right, okay, so you couldstill make choices here, conscious choices
because they were able to stop andthen go, oh, let's go get
food. And then I got backin line, okay, right, like
you know, they were able tomake decisions. That's that's very very clear.
So they get in line, andon the video footage, you see

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my nephew who's never been in afight in his life, you know,
even though he's in his twenties,he's a big kid. He's listening to
whatever this guy is saying, andyou see him just kind of looking down
and shaking his head, looking downand shaking his head, and he makes
a comment. He looks away,looks down, shakes his head. I
don't know what was said at onepoint, but this man, Paul Burkett

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I believe is his last name,he said something and my nephew froze and
looked at him, and then hejust ran at him. So now the
two of them are fighting, andmy nephew's a very big person, so
he's just got size and weight overthis guy. The other guy is turns
out he works out at he worksat a gym. He's I think a

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physical fitness instructor, and he's verytone and cut, but he's shorter,
and this fight is going on andon and on. My nephew has him
in a headlock. At one pointin the video, you see my nephew's
girlfriend come and she's screaming for himto stop. Well, here comes the

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other guy's girlfriend, Jamie, andshe smashes amber. My nephew's girlfriend smashes
her across her head and knocks herout with a with a napkin holder.
And this is all public record becauseit's already been in court. Oh yeah,
okay, this is all already outin court. And so now she
runs over to my nephew who's gotthis guy to headlock, and she smashes

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him across the head. And nowmy nephew is kind of he lets go
and he's kind of a napkin holder, those metal napkin holders. So now
he's walking and he's kind of stumblingall over the place. This guy goes
back to the car, gets agun, comes back and shoots him in
the back in front of everyone.He didn't even try to hide what he
was doing. He went back tohis vehicle, and in court he said

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he feared for his life. Okay, so you feel from somewhere you're stumbling
around, you feared for your life, so you went. You made the
conscious decision to go back to yourvehicle, and instead of getting in your
vehicle because you were scared for yourlife and driving away, you went and
got a gun that apparently did notbelong to you, and you came back

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and you went behind this person who'sstumbling, and you shoot them twice in
the back. And then the uh, I guess just of what we were
saying about trying to keep things onthe light note? Is Pat's that amazing
that he couldn't just drive away?You know what I mean? No?
Right, And there was a longline, so he could have just got

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to get the gun to come back. It did. And in the video,
is this video posted anywhere now thatit's been in a court of law?
Is it like? You can findit? It's all over if you
researched it. You can find someof it. Okay, can't find it
all, but there's there's clips ofit. Plus there's clips of it that
people with their cell phones posted notto social media and your cousin or your

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nephew's name. Do you want totell us what that was? Dave Podro
Junior, Dave Podro Pa d rO m hm. Okay, So people
can research themselves, look up andmake their own opinions on what happened.
So fast forward to this happened.Let's go to this happened. And you

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get the phone call, not necessarilynot court stuff, but you get the
phone call from your sister, Ipresume. So I didn't get the phone
call from my sister. I gotit from my mother. My mother's not
the kind of call people. Shenever calls any of us, you know,
so when she does call, we'relike, oh, what's happening?
Like God answered that call. SoI get that call and she's like,

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it's about David. You know,David's gone. He's been shot. And
I was like what. So Itried to get win information I could of
her, and then I didn't knowwhat to do. She told me that
my brothers, who are police officers, one in Baltimore, when in New
York, were already on their way. They had left work immediately and they

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were already on their way to gohelp my sister in Philadelphia, and yeah,
I called my one brother and hejust said, yeah, this is
a mess. He's like, i'llcall you later. I didn't have any
details of what actually happened at thatpoint, but when I finally got a
chance to talk to my sister,which was the next day, she told
me that they were at tractors supply, her and her husband and they were

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getting animal feed and everything, andshe said the call came in from my
brother in law's nephew onto her phoneand then he said, tell me it's
not true. Tell me it's nottrue. What And he's like, David
was shot and killed. This isthe next day. So this happened at
one o'clock in the morning. Mysister and Dave were finding out about this
two o'clock in the afternoon the nextday first time, so there was no

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They don't see him in the hospital. Do we even know did he did?
He pass away at the scene.So we do know that he passed
away at the scene, So Iguess his final his final breath is on
video. On video. That's awful. Yeah, and it's on the cameras
from the emptis and the police officersand where was he shot in his body?

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He was shot in his back andin his arm. So the one
that the bullet that hit him inthe back ricochet and hit his heart,
ricocheted off an organ of some sort, ricochete off a bone, and I
believe hit his heart. Wow,I didn't know, Well it could ricochet
from bone mm hmm. Jeez.So you get a hold of your sister

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and she tells you she found outalmost twenty four hours later. Yeah,
well twelve hours later, twelve hourslater, but regardless, twelve hours later.
You know, he was an adult. He not live at home.
He lived out with his girlfriend.You know, he had his own life
going. You know, he wasyoung, but he had his own life
going. And they didn't interfere inthat. So you know, because of

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that, they didn't get that calltill much later, right, Well,
and I wouldn't have gotten I wouldn'thave gotten a call either until who knows
when, because someone called me fromCarly's phone in the middle of the night,
who kept it from the police,but called and told us and was
hysterical, And that's how the whatI woke up to. But who knows

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when the police would have ever gottento call on me because I still haven't
even talked to a doctor. Anyway. The police never called my family,
like, they never called my sisterand brother in law. So what happened
was they got that phone call.My sister passed out. She said she
just went down and Dave grabbed thephone and they just dropped everything and they
drove straight to Philadelphia to go see, like what do they need to do?

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Can we do we need answers obviously, you know, or we've just
been told her son is dead.So when they got to Philadelphia, they
were able to find you know,get connected to the right people and get
some information. Yeah, they foundout he was deceased. Then they found
out it had happened, you know, the middle of the night, and
they had some of the details,not all of the details. For some
reason, there was this rumor thatwent around at first that this was over

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football, and football never even cameup. Was that a Phillies game that
night? An Eagles game? No, Like it was out of season.
So it's like, this happens toyous. Yeah, I'm not going to
shoot someone over it, right,So it was in July, so it

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wasn't football. Where is his girlfriend? And all this she was unconscious.
Ohka, she was sitting in ahospital bed, so she was also in
the hospital. So they took himin the ambulance. They she came through
and she was My understanding is shewas screaming, and they pulled her back
and they wouldn't let her go inthe ambulance with him. They took her

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in a separate ambulance because she hada laceration across her head and she was
bleeding profusely. Oh okay for medicalyes, okay. So she ended up
having to go in a different ambulanceto go get treated. So her head,
her scalp is all stitched on thetop from the fromkin, the napkin
holder, one of those metal napkinholders. And the way she found out,

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they didn't even tell her. Theway she found out was hours later
the next day they the police cameand got her and didn't even tell her.
It took her down to I believeit was the coroner's office for questioning.
That's how she found out. Whohso tell her on the way she

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found out when she got to theoffice for questioning. And I'm finding that
our story, Carly's story, there'sa whole lot of this and the lack
of sensitivity to certain situations or informationalsensitivity before the bomb is dropped. But

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like you know, for me notto be able to see Carly even through
a window citing she's evidence, Imean, my eyes are not going to
affect evidence. Last I checked justto see her face and no. So
for five days I had to mybrain had to struggle and go through someone's

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telling me my daughter's gone, butI haven't seen it. She's really she
can't be, but they're telling meshe is, so your brain is Honestly,
that adds to the trauma in myopinion. And I mean they could
have at least taken a picture soI could see, you know what I

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mean? And for what is hername? Amber for her to be taken
somewhere after a head injury and thennot given any heads up so to speak
on where they're going, I mean, what memory did she have? Did

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she lose memory or was she justyou know, I don't know, I
don't know. I don't know ifshe fully even understood what was happening at
that moment. And then you throwinto the fact, you know, this
is her boyfriend, she's traumatized offof what happened already, and now they
bring her to this place for questioningand she doesn't even know why they're going

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there until they get there. Andwhy would they go to a coroner's office
for questioning. I thought that's wherethey took her. They may have taken
her somewhere else. Oh, andmaybe we should have your sister and Amber
whoever wants to talk about this ona different episode, so to speak.
Because I'm finding, and as you'refinding with me, Lisa's kind of been
going through this whole process and kindof journey, I mean, the most

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that she can with me, andwe just keep finding the horror stories and
the lack of again logic and sensitivityin any of the processes. And now
I'm in a group that it's allover the country. I mean I literally

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just had a mom on a groupthat I'm in go in and say how
her fifteen year old was shot byher sixteen year old boyfriend and they're just
now going to court and wish meluck. And you know, that's in
Louisiana. And there's just endless storieson this and it's either most of the

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time that at least in my experience. What I'm finding it's either juveniles who
it's not their first you know,most juveniles who get into the amount of
trouble or excel to the point wherethey're shooting people, it's not their first
contact with the law, which youand I have come across in a three

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sixty meeting in Omaha, and certainlythe adults that guys like that were involved
with shooting Karly and killing an innocenttwenty year old who was very independent.
They're a part of the system.They're a product of the system. They
grew up, grew up in thejudicial system as juveniles, a juvenile system

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that is broken and not working.And then to top it off, their
four time repeat felons and offenders andthey keep getting on the street. So
my biggest thing is this policies andthese policy makers that don't seem to take
into account public safety. So asyou've gone through some of this with me,

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and I believe what was it theone day when I came to you,
we were going to meet for lunch, and I had said, hey,
well, now, how did wego to three sixty the first time?
Oh I saw something on the news. No, we went to the

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council meeting. First you asked meif I would go to the council meeting
with you, and I was like, okay, Douglas County Board, right,
So we did that, and thenlike literally just a few days later,
you're like, hey, there's thismeeting called the three sixty meeting,
and I was told that maybe Ishould go there, and you said,
do you want to come with meand just see what it is? And

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at first I was like, well, I can't because of work and everything.
And then mysteriously things just opened upand I was like, oh I
can go. Like my goodness,look at all this time I have all
of a sudden, let's go.And it was very eye opening. It
was an eye opening experience. Andwe went in there guns blazing. We
didn't know what to expect. Andwell, I remember I got them like

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first when they did the introductions andeverybody's like, you know so and so
from well, hold on, I'mgonna stop you there because I want to
go to how I found out aboutthis. Oh, so I was on
there was something online and then Isaw something on the news and this they
were getting this award for this groupthat everybody, this public group and they're

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getting this award for the for thefor having this system, this three sixty
meeting which reduces gun violence in Omaha, and they're getting an award from like
the Obama Foundation or something, Andof course I'm like, whoa hold on,

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they're going to get an award andmy kid just died, so wait
a minute, because whatever they're doingdidn't work for my kid. So of
course, in my mental state atthe time, I'm upset, and I
was like, well, this isa public every Wednesday. How come nobody
knows about this? Right? SoI'm like, they don't advertise this how
So then I research on CNN andI see the chief of police talking about

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this, and oh my gosh,this thing is so cool and it's been
working and and I'm not saying itdoesn't and hasn't reduced crime, because there
is less crime if you compais toother cities. But I immediately called the
chief number one and said, whoawait a minute. And when I got

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to talk to him, I said, Okay, I see you're getting awards
for stuff, but what happened withmy kid? Right? And then because
it was a mass shooting in Omaha. And then when I said, oh,
I got to go to those threesixty meetings. So then I called
you and then go ahead and commence. So Cary and we didn't know what

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to expect, you know, wejust kind of walked in and you see
the eyeballs coming around looking at us, like who to And we sat right
there the second row, nice andclothes. It's the action. And I
believe the Douglas kind of sheriff hewas sitting. I asked him about it,
and he said, oh, yeah, go ahead. He was actually
I remember he was sitting I thinkthe row in front of us, and

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the mic was being passed around theroom as an introduction for everyone. So
I got the mic first, andI wasn't really sure what to say.
What do I say? All thesepeople are gone from this organization. I'm
from that organization, right, Everyonein that room, for the most part,
is getting paid to be there.Let's be real, Yes, okay,
for the most part. So Iget the mic and I said,
well, I'm a concerned citizen,said my nephew was shot and killed by

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a repeat offender, and I'm herefor some answers as a concerned family member
for him, and I want tofind out what's going on in here,
and then I handed you the micand the room just went quiet like and
then you said, I'm pretty sure, I said, concerned citizens, small
business owner and mother of Carly Wood, who was killed on thirty third and

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aims November. You said something likethat, yes, and everybody just stayed
quiet, and then they continued passingthe mic around. And then as the
day kind of kept going, orthe meeting kept going, I remember that
you did get up and you didtalk about what had happened to Carly.
I stayed quiet and kind of readthe room kind of like looked around as

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you were talking to see, youknow, is everybody taking her seriously?
And honestly, honestly, I'd beenon the news many times and kind of
held it together more than I didin that room, because I feel like
I was speaking to people one whoshould have already reached out to me.
With all these groups that were onthe news, sand they're going to reach

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out to the victims, Carly wasthe only one that died. I've still
never gotten a phone call from anyof those groups. And these are supposed
to be community leaders who were outgetting answers. So I was a lot
more emotional because it was like,I'm leading to the literal community that Carly
embraced and she was invited into,and I'm hoping that someone can answer it.

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But anyway, go on. No. I just looked around the room
and kind of read, you know, everybody's body language as you were talking.
And I remember there were a fewpeople in there that I thought,
that person over there is somebody Ishould talk to at the end of this,
that person of it, there issomebody that we should talk to.
And at the end of the meeting, you had to look around all the

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eye rolls. Yes, there weresome eye rolls, and I wasn't quite
sure why that was at the time. Well, I had an idea.
I mean, I think that somepeople just thought that that wasn't the place
for you to come with that,and I thought it was. I was
happy that we were there. Imean, once we were in there and

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I saw, you know, whatit was about, and how there was
so much purpose in that room,I just thought, this is a good
place to start, and you're supposedto come. It's the community because you're
not getting the answers that you want. And you know, when I first
reached out to you, like Iremember in that email, I had said,
you know, there's things that you'renot going to understand. You're not
going to understand why you can't seeyour child. You know, it's going

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to be days and days and daystill they let you see your child,
and they're not going to give youan answer other than she's evidence. I'm
like, that's hard for a parentto digest. How do you sit there
and tell a parent who just losttheir talking me, you know what,
you can't see her, she's evidenced. Just like glance for closure, for
some sort of closure, you know, would help, because I remember my
sister and my brother in law wentthrough that and they were they were devastated.

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They were like, we still haven'tseen the body. And there were
questions, questions, questions, andno answers. But at least like you
and I were able to walk intothis room with the hope of getting some
answers from the community from who claimsto be you know, these people are
out there in the community being violenceinterrupters, and they hear from the streight

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somebody please help, you know,and we did. We at the end
of that meeting, I know thatwe were both handed business cards from somebody.
Individuals in that room. They're like, Hey, if there's something I
can help you with, please callme. And we kind of zoned in
on a few people, specific people. We won't name them, but we
won't name those people, but Iknow I literally I turned around, I

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walked away from you, and Iwent and I stopped one gentleman. I
turned around. I was like,Oh, Lisa's corner. That's the person
that I'm wanting to talk to.That's the person that I think may have
some answers. And I wasn't expectinghim to move mountains or give you every
answer that we can't help find it. But I thought he's one of the
people, one of two people inthis room that I think we can talk

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to and get you some answers.Maybe they're answers you don't want to hear,
but for that closure and to helpyou reach where you need to be,
I thought he was one of thosepeople. And it turned out that
he was the other person. WhenI looked down, had gone to you
and was talking to you. AndI was like, well, that's great.

(32:07):
I hope she's you know, questioninghim to death, just like I'm
questioning this guy, like we're questioningthese guys, and you know, we
ended up there for what we weretwo and a half hours or so after
the meeting because you introduced me.Yeah, and and honestly, and the
police were very I believe the FBIcame up and said da and blah blah

(32:30):
blah and if you need anything,and then all the department heads of the
police that were like they know thiscase very well, right, And I've
been told several times that that one, you know, really bothered them,
and it went through the you know, the whole place. But and it
should bother them. It's a massshooting, you know. I didn't hear

(32:52):
from though, and I still haven'tthe mayor's office. That's a whole nother
podcast. However, the mayor doeshave a representative in those meetings every week,
and I can tell you and maybeshe'd never intended this. We share
the same name, and I havenever felt warm fuzzies, And in fact,

(33:16):
I caught a couple eye rolls.And I feel like it's more bothersome
to them, because you know,you can't just constantly portray a city as
rainbows and unicorns, and that seemsto be what the mayor shows up for
and the reason so everyone knows.The reason I'm upset is this is a

(33:37):
mass shooting on the mayor's watch,and she never still to this day,
has never said Carly's name. That'sall I asked, asked, please say
her name. She sent, nevercame on camera pleading for people to speak
up. Again, this is amass shooting. Nine people are shot,

(33:59):
and she only had her office senda statement out optics matter and that that
just leaves a bad taste in mymouth. And we've written letters, we've
written emails. There's that. Iknow several people who have written emails to

(34:20):
her and not even a response evenfrom her office. Like it's one thing,
it's one thing for her not torespond. But even if you don't
get any, like if your officeor your secretary or somebody responds nothing,
you are ghosting victims of a massshooting on your city and you still have
never come on camera about it.So it does get bothersome there because it's

(34:49):
just not a good look. Andyou know she's more concerned about these trolley's
tram cars tearing buildings down, buildingbuildings and making new parks, and she
shows up for those in person.But this is this is a devastating thing
where several people are shot and shecan't even say one victim's name. You

(35:09):
know, I understand that her departmentreally I mean obviously the whole city,
but really she's most involved in infrastructureand finances of the city and running it
in that capacity. And she hasher people that are designated to do other
certain things, such as the policechief running the police department. Right.

(35:30):
You know, she may she maybe his superior I guess in that respect.
But I think being that we're nota huge city, I consider Omaha
a smaller city, right, SoI would think being that everybody here is
separated by one degree of separation exactthat you know someone who knows that person,
so it touches everyone, but itseemingly doesn't touch her. And that's

(35:53):
the thing. I just I you'relooking for a compassionate signing, right,
And I understand, Well, everyonewas compassionate for her when she hide and
you're looking for the compassionate self.But that's the problem. When she had
tragedy happened in her life, thewhole city was compassionate for her. She
can't be compassionate about a twenty yearold when She's a woman in a position

(36:19):
of power, and we understand I'mnot asking her to go hit the streets
and investigate. Chief has all thatpart handled. But she is the figurehead
of the city, right, Sodid she go on camera when there was
riots in the streets and people andone person got shot? Yep, But

(36:42):
she didn't for a mass shooting,and she didn't for this last mass shooting.
There's another one, and she didn't. So that's what I have a
problem with. And I used toreally like her. I thought I did,
but I was very disappointed and actuallymaybe hurt that it's almost dismissive of

(37:05):
the death of a young girl whowould have gone very far in life.
So regardless if it was my daughteror someone else, a mass shooting is
a big deal. That's a bigdeal. It's not a bank robbery.
It's a mass shooting. And you'rethe figurehead of the city. So even
coming on screen and saying, ohmy gosh, I'm so sorry to the

(37:28):
families and Carly Rain and I havecomplete trust in my police chief. We're
not saying solve it. We're notsaying step on his toes. And I
don't think the police chief would havea problem with her backing him up that
way. But what she could sayis I encourage witnesses to speak up.
We have to come together because northOmaha is still a part of Omaha,

(37:53):
and people need to remember that.If we're not supposed to travel to north
Omaha, then put a travel banon a warning for us, because that
isn't the message. The message thatsome people want to say is well you
can't go down there. Well,well, I think you should be able
to go to any part of thecity and not feel like your life is
going to be taken because you wentto a certain part of the city exactly.

(38:15):
You and I go down to northOmaha every single Wednesday night, you
know, and we're in the heartof north Omaha, which actually is good.
Say way, Lisa, good job. Uh you know, Like we
go down there and I don't feelthreatened like you know, but the circumstances
around that general area right there.I get very concerned for the children that

(38:36):
I work with because they have tothey have to live in that, right
They're going home to that and andthat's that's my issue with community speak up
to give the children a better whata better chance a Beyonce give them a

(38:58):
better chance atmosphere and surroundings and speakup for what's wrong, take back your
community unless unless you really like thecrime every you know, however many times
it happens. But why aren't whyaren't you speaking up for an innocent girl

(39:19):
who was shot? I don't.I don't get it. And how do
you sleep without saying something, especiallyif you look to her bleeding. It
doesn't It doesn't work in my brain. And I know that a lot of
people say, well, that's justhow it is, and that's different how
you're raised. And but you gotto start to break that cycle. That's
generational trauma, right, But yougot to you gotta make a decision to

(39:42):
break it, right, and manyto break the chain. You need to
break the chain being part of thesolution, not part of the problem.
And I feel like, so,you know, there's still some people that
don't like me speaking out, andthere's people that don't necessarily welcome me into
whether it's three sixty or that community. That's their problem. But I would

(40:05):
say that there's also people who maybedidn't and now do because they see like
I'm not. You know, stereotypesare a problem, and when we start
doing stereotypes of whether it's person,where you live, parts of Omaha,

(40:29):
skin color. That just puts abig cloud over what's underneath, which is
truth. And I have a problembecause in the end, I would hope
that no one in North Omaha isokay with nineteen and twenty year olds being
shot, which by the way,they're not because nineteen year old girl just
got shot and the fifteen year oldor sixteen year old boy who were in

(40:52):
the same family. So if they'renot okay with it, then you have
to start speaking out against crime.Well, I think one of the problems
is that they're afraid of the repercussionsis speaking out. And I understand that.
I get where they're coming from withthat. What I don't understand is

(41:14):
the whole mentality of well we dealwith that in our community. To me,
that's unacceptable and that's sending the wrongmessage and children being raised in that
environment, then that's what they're thinkingtoo, and that's to no fault of
their own. And would you saythey're dealing with it because you just dealt
with how many children? They don'tdeal with who who right? And they're

(41:34):
traumatized in their own way because ofhow it's being dealt with or not dealt
with. No, they're being toldthat this is how we deal with it,
and what they're being shown is thatit's not being dealt with right.
And then they're having push it downuntil it explodes exactly. And then all
of a sudden, you have atwenty seven year old woman who's had all
this generational trauma thrown at her andher life is falling apart at twenty seven

(41:59):
years old, and she no longerhas custody of her children, and she's
breaking down and sobbing on my shoulder, telling me what happened at twenty seven
years old? You want to knowwhat the one thing she didn't say,
she didn't give me a name becauseshe said, I've said too much.
Do you know how much that botheredme? I've said too much? When

(42:19):
I said what is his name?She stopped crying and said, I've said
too much already. And then there'syou haven't said enough, right, right,
And and then there's the layers ofabuse and the and the I guess
you could say gas lighting, Uhyeah, years and years of gas lighting

(42:39):
that it's okay, or and whenyou were kind of jumping off what I
wanted to go. But when you'retalking about juveniles, even as a kid,
let's say that a parent like yellsat their kid when they're little or
or smack them. You're supposed tolike, instinctively as a baby, right,

(43:02):
you were fed by this person,you were This person is the one
you're like looking at every day andyou're like, oh, I need to
listen to this one. This onehas my back, this is my mommy,
my daddy, whatever. And thenwhen that breaks because that person harms
them, but the kid doesn't knowany better, they're kind of like,

(43:22):
wait a minute, like they knowinstinctively it doesn't feel right, but it
becomes the norm. But yeah,and they're like, wait, this person
is supposed to be my person thatI trust and I go to and but
wait, they're hurting me and they'rehitting me. And I saw this thing
on TikTok which was very disturbing andmaybe other people have seen it of a

(43:45):
little I don't know, was shefour or six. I wish I could
say her name because I don't rememberit. And the mother had ended up
killing this little girl. But shedid a video of this little girl and
she was like, hey, hey, queen and she said, it's your
birthday, and you could see thelittle girl was so scared to death because

(44:08):
in the past she didn't know whatAm I gonna say something wrong? Kind
of like when you're an abusive relationshipwith a narcissist, which I have been,
if you say something wrong, you'relike, wait, am I gonna
get chastised? Am I gonna getyelled at? Like I don't know what
to say? But I just wanna? And so I was like, uh
huh. And it was like aweek later the mom killed her, and

(44:32):
that child already felt like she waswalking around on eggshells, right, And
so that's what as a kid,you're going, well, this person,
I'm supposed to trust what this personsays. Now, I've been abused or
sexually abused by someone in the home, and this person, this person,
I'm supposed to look to you.Maybe mom says, well, they're not

(44:53):
gonna do that anymore, just justignore them if they come over where.
That's very different for someone out likeme, I wud have been like right
at that person, right. Soit's just getting indoctrinated into these kids.
And that's where the term generational traumacomes in because we're carrying everybody else's above

(45:15):
us trauma. It's just like kidsdon't see color. You're taught to.
You're taught about black and white andeverything else. Little kids don't. They
just want to play with the legos. It doesn't instinctively go oh you're now.
They may be like, oh,come, your skin's darker than mine.
I mean, I remember I hadfreckles everywhere, and I felt like
I had a problem. And thenkids would make manifoits because kids are mean,

(45:37):
right, But we didn't have aproblem playing with another kid because he
was darker, lighter. I mean, it is what it was. But
again, that's something that's taught.That's not something something that you're born with.
You're not born with that racism,right, you know. I had
one of the teenagers in the programthat I had reached out to and started

(45:59):
to help. He told me,I didn't think you would care because you're
not black, And he's like,you're white. And I said, would
it surprise you if I said Iwasn't white. I don't think you're white.
I'm pretty white And he said yes, he was shocked that I was
not white and that was the gamechanger for him. Then he opened up

(46:22):
a lot. But to hear himsay, I didn't think you cared,
and I didn't think you would helpme. Did you ask him why he
thought that? Kind of like whenyou brought a police officer in and they
were like, oh, they killme right. Well, and this is
generational trauma, right. You know, he's been taught this from a young
age. And I told him,I said, I care about what happens

(46:43):
to you, and I'm going todo what I can to help you,
but you have to be willing todo the work. I can only help
you as far as you're willing towork. And you know, he's done
some stuff and he's made some bigleaps. But do I think he can
make more? Yeah, of courseI do. But is a sixteen year
old telling me that he didn't thinkthat I would care because he looked at

(47:05):
me as being white. That's nothis fault, right, that's his upbringings
fault. And then and then someof the things, he's still a child,
so he has to rely on anadult of some sort around him to
get him places or to help himwith that. Just like on inner city
kids just getting a chance to playfootball or softball or volleyball. A lot

(47:30):
of the times when I was coaching, it was parents would get him there
late. Autumn. Used to yellat me because sometimes I'd get her in
places late late. My mom gotme to place as late, and it
was you know, but a lotof times people either can't get him there
or they just don't and the kidssitting here going, man, I really
want to do better, and Ireally so, I keep thinking in my

(47:53):
mind there needs to be some sortof better parent involvement. Well, yeah,
but now you're going up up thewhat you do need to go upstream,
But now you're going to the parentswho have years of trauma to deal
with on top of probably addictions orlack of counseling or whatever. I mean.

(48:14):
Yes, but at the same time, that's also a step in the
right direction for them on their healingjourney, you know, to become more
involved in their child's life, tosee to start to see their child as
this sentient being that has all thesefeelings and these these emotions and everything,
and they can come to that andthey can understand it better and they can
grow with them, right, youknow, And it shouldn't be that way,

(48:36):
But maybe for some of these peoplewith generational trauma. Maybe that's where
it has to begin, is findingthat piece in your own inner family and
then cutting everybody else out and bringingall the love and all the peace and
everything into this family and going forward. And maybe that starts with taking your
child to football practice, you know, or basketball practice or whatever. Maybe

(48:59):
it turns from taking your child tofootball practice to becoming a coach or doing
something extra for the team, youknow, maybe you're the snack parent now
or something like being involved with yourchildren's upbringing. Yes is basically what you're
saying, yes and seeing that theydeserve better than what you had. Active
parenting. And yeah, and we'regonna talk another time about active parenting.

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Hopefully we will see you guys again. Lisa, thanks for coming, Thanks
for having me. Have a goodday, everybody. We appreciate you listening
to Carly Rain Matters. We definitelyencourage you to look at Carlirain dot com,
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is on Carlirain dot com. Andplease let's fight together to make a safer
community. A quick update for youon the Douglas County Board and what they
were discussing this week. They aregoing to be discussing the mental health facility
or lack of in the corrections building, and they want to build an addition

(50:12):
onto that. We also want togive you an update that the average on
the DCYC Douglas County Youth Detention Centeris currently at ninety nine, which is
up from when we stopped the smallerbuilding from being opened, which only had
fifty two beds. So make surethat when you vote, you let your

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reps know that you want to keepthat facility open. We obviously need it.
Opening a facility with half the bedsmakes zero sense. And the county
is growing and juvenile crime is onthe rise. Watch your local news,
they just had an article about it. And again find your reps. Carlrain
dot com. This man, thiskind of time tune. I just can't

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be I want to I want todo