EP4 OMAHA POLICE OFFICER ASSOCIATION SPEAKS - UNICORNS RAINBOWS and REALITY PART 1

Omaha Police Officer's Association PResident and VIce President Tony Conners and Dan Martin join us to discuss various topics and reqsts for change. PRE TRIAL RELEASE, JUVENILE JUSTICE, COUNTY BOARD , BIG MONEY BULLIES & more.

Episode Transcript

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I'm down good, I'll get upagain. Don't call me yet of the
hard, but I'll show you home. On Carly rain Matters, a journey

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of topics through the grief, loss, and tragic death of Carl rain Hello
and thanks again for coming to anotherepisode of Carly rain Matters, where we
investigate and delve into matters that havearisen since my daughter, Carly rain Wood
was murdered November of twenty twenty two. My name's Amber, and I want

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to fight for change. Today wehave some special guests in and actually I
have some good news. Our podcasthas been picked up now. It is
on Spotify, it's on Amazon Music, it is on Google Podcast as well
as Spreaker. iHeart so keep listeningand share and give us some feedback.
Today we have Tony Connor correct yesand Dan Martin I both are with the

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Omaha Police Officers Association and they kindof know a lot of things that are
going on in the in the crazinessof Omaha crime these days, and we
have a few things that I wantedto talk to them about. And I
appreciate you guys coming in. Okay, so we're gonna jump right in here,
and again, thank you guys forcoming. I know we've met a

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few times with Carly situation, andI'm kind of going to go back since
this is podcast that originated from mydaughter being murdered. My first question is
when you when you first heard aboutCarly's of the mass shooting on thirty three,
thirty third names, what was yourfirst thought? And then as details

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came out and that you learned thatCarly died and then you you learned more
about her, what what kind ofran through your head and what you know?
And we're roll here, we're apodcast, so feel free. Well
I'll start, I mean as asa police officer in the city, and
first of all, I would liketo thank you for for your involvement and
trying to make changes. A lotof victim families don't, unfortunately, don't

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get involved as you have been,so it really means a lot that you're
you're committed to actually trying to makechanges in the system. So that's that's.
Unfortunately, not enough people actually jumpsin, jumping and help us out
to try to make these changes.So we appreciate your your efforts and your
work. Your testimony over the lastfew years have really been impactful. Our
voices get kind of drowned out attimes, and through get sick of hearing
our voices from the from the copsalways talking about these issues because they don't

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see us as the same as theysee of victim's family. So we appreciate
you guys, uh you're you're involvementwith specifically and other mothers that have helped
us out. So I'll start there. But as a police officer in a
city, and the reality is wedon't know when calls come out, We
don't know the people personally, youknow, So that's that's just a reality.
So when these calls do come out, it does affect us too because
we are part of this community,we're from this city. So one of

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these these violent events, like theevent that cause the death of your your
daughter, it really does impact usto when you get to these scenes and
there's nothing worse than seeing someone shotand someone and someone killed or even even
injured. It's it's it's very horrificfor us too. So the police officers
deal with a lot of stress fromhaving to take these calls, and and

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that's that's probably the first our firstthought is is you know, here we
go again with another violent event,right, and were you did you have
anything to do that that night withanything? No, I was not on
the street at that time, Okay. And and then Dan, how about
you? Yeah, you know whatI heard of Carly's death, specifically in
the instance that hurt occurred there atthirty thirty names. You know, it's

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just another reminder of the senseless violencethat unfortunately it sounds like she wasn't an
intended target of Well maybe I don'tknow enough about the case. I wasn't
there or part of the investigation.But this gang violence and this reckless behavior,

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especially involving you know, some ofour juveniles and other repeat offenders that
are just allowed to go back outhere with the fear of zero consequences,
to repeat these offenses and cause morevictims, more families to be you know,
affected by this, and something Ithink could be completely preventable. I

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completely agree. And you know,that's kind of one of the things that
I at first, even our detectivewas kind of like, oh, you
know, where she was, wasshe involved? Did she? And no?
When they finally found out, no, she literally went to her first
party for fifteen minutes. And it'smaddening when as things unfold, and I

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want to remind everyone this is anongoing investigation, so anything that I have
said on this podcast about this caseis public record. So I don't that's
why you haven't heard an actual episodeyet that delves into everything that night and
everything, because I only speak onthe things that have been brought up in

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court, which would be public record. So but as we learn this,
to find out that everyone involved exceptone is a repeat violent felon, like
literally, the guy that is ontrial right now for shooting Carly one of
them, four time felon, andit's not his first rodeo. And I

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don't understand why someone like that wouldone be even eligible for pretrial release.
Pretro release seems like it was ahalf cocked invention in someone's head, but
they didn't follow the rest of thesteps and they just went, oh,
let's do this because we can savemoney. And that money cost my dollar
her life. And I'm kind ofalready going into the pretrial release because it

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affects me and Chris Groudoville, asyou know, was killed by someone on
pre trial release, and I'm surethere's others. And then that brings us
to the most recent incident which waswhat over New Year's Eve with a guy
on pretrial release. Yeah, andI kind of want to just step back

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for two seconds, if you will. I mean, with the investigation,
how these things go. And Iunderstand that sometimes the detectives may ask a
lot of questions because they don't knowanything about it, and so they're just
trying to delve into what actually occurredin the background and things like that.
So I know that the detectives workin your case are very thorough and I

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hope we can bring closure and thepolice officers working on this can bring closure
and bring justice to everyone you knowthat was responsible well, and I'm sure
to a degree you get kind ofjaded, Like if you keep seeing this
and keep seeing this, it's like, I mean, I'm jaded in it.
I don't do this for a living. Yeah, I mean, you're
right. I mean, the detectivesjust have they have they try to go

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you know, everybody that they investigate, everybody has a family, everybody is
a victim. You know, yourdaughter clearly was not a part of some
of the gang lifestyle and things likethat that I don't want to say that
you could be I don't want tosay you know, sometimes you're not surprised
that today's victim is yesterday's suspect,but your daughter wasn't didn't fit that mold.

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So not to be insensitive, becauseevery victim does have a family,
no matter their past, and wetreat all of those victims the same as
detectives within the police department and thishomicide unit. And yeah, and it's
not just you know, that's theother thing I hear a lot when I'm
in When I went to three sixtymeetings, it was all this north Omaha
West Omaha thing happens. And it'slike, just because someone's in north Omaha

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doesn't mean that it's okay to die. It's still Omaha. Like I don't
understand some people's logic in their brainthat or it's just it's easier for them
to deal with that way, right, No, And unfortunately, I you
know, I can't speak for otherswhen they do say things like that,
But obviously we know where the highlevels of crime are and violent crime in
our city, and the statistics thatare shown at you know, Omaha three

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sixty, we see arise in thatin north Omaha, unfortunately, And that's
just the statistics that were shown lastweek. I think it was Tony,
correct me if I'm wrong at threesixty. If you are a this kind

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of goes off the course here,But that's fine. That's what we do.
If if you are a was ita black male or just a black
person in north Omaha, you wereeight times more likely to be the victim
of a violent or inn aggregated assaultthan somebody of somebody who's Whiteation in Omaha

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is white, so the majority ofpopulation is white north Omaha, but the
chance of being a victim of aviolent crime is eight times if you're if
you're black in north Omaha. Sojust a back up a little bit too,
if you don't mind, I'm talkingabout the JD. It Austars being
JD. What I can't say isI've worked my entire career in patrol,
different than Dan Dane worked in investigation, and see a lot of experience in
a homicide and gang unit. Sowhat I will say that there is a

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difference between it. But the twoyou units and the difference I see patrol
officers, we do have a littlebit. We do get a little little
bit jaded, if I'm being honest. We get those calls our job is
just to get their secure tossive forthe detectives. But what I have seen
in my time as president for thelast five and a half years is I
know these homicide detectors are so committedand they're committed to each each family.
I mean, we we are luckyin Omaha, and it's going to sound

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really insensitive to have a low numberof homicides. Obviously, every family,
every every victim matters, and thosecops they are so committed to finding that
justice for that for that family.And I've been so proud to represent them
and how committed they are to solvingI'm solving these crimes every time the homicide
does happen in Omaha. So thatthe officers in the homicide unit, I

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don't feel that they're jaded at all. Now. They're not like patrol cops
that get the calls every day anddealing with dealing with the crazy stuff every
single day all day long. They'rethey're focused on that one specific crime and
that's why they I think they don'tthey're not as jaded. I think there's
exact opposite. I think they're they'rereally committed to finding to get into justice
well, and I think maybe maybeJada's not the right term, but it
was. It was kind of likean in his mind. And this is

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initial because our our officer, mylead detective, is great and he even
said to me, okay, sorry, I had to make sure blah blah
blah. And again, I've hada good experience with the police department.
I've had a good experience with chief. He answered his email right away,
he answered everything. And maybe it'smore like a doctor. Like a doctor

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sees people all the time and theyso, so these detective see homicides and
it's some of it has there's symptoms, and some of it there's things and
you're like, oh, and sothey kind of go off that first checklist
of okay, well it's here,this is where what was the and it's
kind of like the symptoms say this, and then they have to see check

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and see and make sure. Andso we we butted heads for a second
because I tried to tell him absolutelynot, that was not my daughter,
and I was I'm sorry, Iwas pissed. I don't like the policy
that I couldn't see her body.I didn't get to see her body for
five days. That still aggravates meand I think that's a shitty policy when

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all I have to do is lookthrough a glass and I could physically see
that isn't going to affect evidence forme to go home and know that she's
dead rather than for five days.My body is going, well, someone
said your kid's dead, but isshe? You didn't see it, so
that's frustrating. And then the hospital, you know, never I still haven't

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talked to a doctor that worked onher an EMT. The hospital initially put
it on the police. The policewere like, we absolutely don't say that,
they can't talk to you. Andstill here I am not speaking to
anyone. So it's just a circle. And then, as you know,
we get into the politics part ofit, and then there's finger pointing there
too, and I'm just over heregoing can I get some answers? Can

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I talk to somebody? So anyway, I digress. But that's again I
tell all these listeners this, Icall it an aphib of chaos because I
didn't get on a roller coaster.Roller coaster stop, and you know what's
coming with a roller coaster. Thisis just constant. You don't know what's

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going on, and you don't knowwhen it's gonna hit you. So I
really appreciate and especially our lead detectivereally is more of a He got into
detail to get some stuff done forscientific things, which is awesome, and

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you know, I'm kind of thatway. I kept calling him, I'm
like, did you go here?Did you look here? Was there a
was there a quick shop that theywent to when they ran? Was there?
I'm like, he's going, calmdown. I'm like no, And
I gave him good ideas. Butyou know, I again, I guess
I'm different than than some victims andprocess differently because for me, from the

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very beginning, it was people aregonna know what this feel like and people
were going to know who Carly was. So and I hope that. And
now we have some other moms thatare speaking up and are like, well,
I'll come with you, and that'sgood, and so that leads into
Okay, so now we've learned aboutpre chow release. You guys just recently

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made a post on Omaha Police OfficersAssociation. What do you want to speak
about on that? Well, themost recent post on the Omaha Police Officer
Association Art social media team did somedigging on a recent arrest that they had
seen through or heard from from officers, and happened on New Year's Eve.

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This actually off duty officer was inthe area of ninety sixth to now when
he was like, yeah, Ithink he worked for a federal and I
don't know what he was doing,but it was around two o'clock in the
morning, and he witnesses this guystarts shooting just randomly at a business in

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south Omaha. And I don't knowwhat business it was, or if people
were occupied in it, or ifhe knew somebody in there. I don't
have those details. This is SouthwestOmaha, Southwest Oha, YEP, YEP,
ninety sixth then MSH. So theoff duty officer begins to follow him
call it in. On duty officersintercept the vehicle that gets into a chase

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with Omaha police where it then endsup crashing and overturning in the area of
thirtieth and Names. Inside the vehicleis the suspects taken into custody. So
wait, they went on a highspeed chase from ninety six and M to
thirtieth Names. Well, the shootinghappened at thirty or ninety six and M.
There was no victims there other thanyou know he was shooting at business

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where they picked up the pursuit.I'm unclear on okay, but the off
duty officer was following it, sohe followed him all the way from ninety
six to the MT to the areathirtieth names. I think just shortly thereafter
though, in southwest Omaha, anofficer picked up the car and started pursuing
it. Inside the car was thesuspect and then also a loaded rifle.

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Is this automatic? Not automatic?But it's a semi automatic. So what
we'd later learned about this individual wasthat just less than forty eight hours prior
to that, he was released witha thirty five hundred dollars bond from jail

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thirty five hundred, thirty five hundreddollars bond and was given pre trial release.
What we don't know about the pretrial release August Cutty pretrial release is
who is monitoring this? Was therea curfew? Why was neon electronic monitoring?
Where was the accountability if you're goingto release somebody on pre trial release

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to make sure that he's not outdoing the same thing, because prior to
that he was in jail. Hegot arrested on December twenty eighth or no,
I'm sorry. December twenty third,five days prior to that, he
was arrested with a stolen gun,and he's a fellon nfle Yep, he's
a fellon. He was arrested witha stolen gun and distribution amounts of narcotics.

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So you'd think like somebody that distributesdrugs probably has money, money,
probably has thirty five pot, probablyhas thirty five hundred dollars in his pocket.
And then because of the holiday Christmasperceived, he sees a judge five
days later, and that judge giveshim a thirty five hundred dollars bond.
Do we know, the judge,I'll have to dig into that thirty five

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hundred dollars bond. And isn't therea minimum at this point for a bond
for a fellon with a gun?Well, but when they get booked in
there is no bond. They're forcedto see a judge on a felony charge
like that. So the judge thendetermines that you'd think that that, but
it gets worse than that. IfI didn't step back prior to the arrest

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on the twenty third, Prior tothe rest on the twenty third, he
was just released from prison in Augustfor an incident that occurred in twenty twelve
where he beat up his girlfriend,threatened her and her friend with a gun,

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and his friend gunshots were fired.Thankfully, nobody was hurt, but
he got arrested and spent the lastlittle over ten years in prison. Gets
released in August. December, he'sarrested with a stolen firearm and distribution mounts
in there. This is a violentfelon, a repeat violent habitual offender,

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and then gets arrested just a couplemonths after he gets released from jail and
is given a thirty five hundred dollarsbond in pre trial release. That's insane.
I mean, that's that's literally aslap in in. This is so
everything that you just talked about isthat about five different rabbit holes we can

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go down and topics and matters,which is why I called it Carly Iraine
matters, because all of these topicsmatter to everyone and the in my from
day one ever since I heard excuseme, ever since I heard that a
four time felon is one that wasinvolved with shot my daughter. And they

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were all four time felons except forone. Then they arrested him. He
had a high bond because they knewthat he was possibly going to be arrested
for a charge would come down.That judge sets a high bond, he
gets a bond appeal, which isa whole other crazy tax payer wasting process

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that they can bond review every twentyfour hours, and then another judge reduces
the bond by two hundred and fiftythousand dollars, so he's back out on
the streets. And then when thecharge comes down that we have to ope,
there's a warrant, Now go getthis guy. You're all going,
we just had him. And so, in my opinion, doing all of

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these things and all these low bondsand letting them back out is an insult
to police officers because isn't the highestrate of police officer injury or death warrants
and domestic violence? Am I righty? Well, it's actually I think car
accidents would be the But when you'retalking about things that but I kind of

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want to step back just again.I know I keep saying that, But
we have a lot of really goodjudges in Douglas County. There are a
few that stray from the rest andthere's these incidents that cause us to pause
and go what what what were youthinking? But that's where I'm going to

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stop you real quick, because that'sanother rabbit hole that we've been down.
One. We have to vote onjudges, yes, but yet there is
no report card, no place fora person to educate themselves on a judge,
and a judge does not have togive any explanation for when they do
something. Most judges will, somewill in my experience so far, not
yet. But I know that there'sgood judges, and I know there's judges

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that do things that are based kindof how I lean. But at the
same time, judges are supposed tobe doing the laws. So do we
have to make it more strict strictso that they don't have these giant parameters?
Yeah? Well, I think whatI don't know who the judge was
that reduced that wastephanie hands. Okay, yeah, again, we don't know

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her reason and we don't know thereason. But they're also at that time
there was no charge for murder,So I mean they have they have their
own rules and ethics and policy thatthey have to to abide by. And
I get that. What's what's concerningwith the case we were talking about that
happened at ninety six and m is, we are so fortunate that another Karly

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right, another inst Chris Gradville,another insert any victim's name in there wasn't
affected by this gentleman who I don'teven call him a gentleman. Yeah,
can we cuss on here now?This? Ye? That and more lives

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weren't shattered, or an innocent personin a car, or an innocent person
a car, or the janitor that'scleaning this business at night, or a
bar goer that happens to be drivingby on New Year's Eve. It's a
busy night, people are out.That's a busy area of town. It's
got its fair share of different youknow, bars, restaurants, things like
that. And we are so fortunatethat nobody was hurt. And it's not

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north Omaha, folks. That's theother thing, Like, you know,
travel's pretty easy these days. Thisisn't isolated to north Omha. You're not
safe if you live past seventy second. You know, your West Omaha bubble
isn't truth Yeah, no, onehundred percent. And that just underscore is
like, had that judge not givenpre trial release or had there been a

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better system of pre trial release.Hey, you have a cur for you,
you have to check it at thistime. You have an ankle one.
Now again, people can do whateverthey want on any doesn't. It's
it's like a it's like a protectionorder. It's not going to protect you
from somebody doing something they want todo, but it puts some sort of
guardrails in place. Right, So, if you are on a GPS monitor,

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or you are being checked on andyou're having to report someplace because you're
out before your trial and you're convicted, or you're not convicted, but you've
been arrested for violent crimes in thepast, and now you have a gun,
and now you have distribution amouts andnarcotics, and then forty eight hours

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we're surprised that he's out repeating thesame behavior. Well, and here's my
I'm kind of an observer too.I go to these meetings, and I
go to commissioner meetings, and Isit and watch, and I listen,
and I pick up on things.And I have sat in front of the
corrections director of Corrections and I haveasked him questions and he was supposed to

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call me back in June for ourfollow up meeting and didn't. But when
Carly was killed, there was oneperson and that monitored people on pretrial release.
When I stood in front of theJudiciary Committee in Lincoln and was fighting
to give police officers, you know, something that would be common sensical,

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which there is no logic in lawanymore, but common sense. Most people
think, oh, well, ifthere's a guy on GPS monitoring, the
police have that they know where theyare. Guess what, folks, they
don't they have to get a subpoenawarrant? Is she a warrant to go
get a person or to get theirlocation on GPS? What? This is

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not public safety? So none ofthat situation. And they and they all
say, well it's about rights,they're right, Well let me add to
that. So, so think aboutthis. If a person's in prison,
right, they're in jail, weknow exactly where they're at. Right,
we know exactly where they're at.You can't everyone know they're inside this cell
when they're out on pretrial release onceagain, and you're drawn on an ankle

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monitor. That's an alternative to detention. So because of the alternativey tension,
we feel it should be exactly thesame thing. We should know exactly where
they're at at all times. Theyshould have to report like like Dan was
just saying earlier, they should haveto report to someone that's re checked upon
by someone. There should be atrue robust system when you talk about pre
trial release, so that way weknow exactly where this person's at at all

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times. Because they were in jail, you know exactly where they're at.
But now they're out in the public, you have no idea where they're at.
And like Dan described earlier talking aboutthis this criminal's record, we also
have to look at and this thisis once to get another rabbit hole whe
probably go down. Is what isthe rehabilitation actually happening in prison? What's
the rehabilitation happening in the juvenile system. There's there's really none. When you

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see these offenders to continue to repeat, continue to repeat, It's like you
have to ask the question of whatis actually being done to actually change the
behavior of these folks when they goin when they go into prison, already
going to prison to just become bettercriminals. That's been a conversation around a
lot of black family tables, andI've had this conversation with my family.
When we have those conversations all thetime, it's like, you say,

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a young black man in prison andthen they go get it, come out
as a better criminal, instead ofcoming out as a better person, a
better being, being an assets society. They're coming out and then, like
like Dan describe, a few monthslater, he's arrested again for a violent
felony and then given a low bondand pre ch our release. It should
have been like, you just gotout of prison, you didn't learn your
lesson. Obviously we're gonna give youa high bond to keep you in jail
because obviously you haven't learned your lesson. But then he's out, you know,

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causing well more chaos. It's it'sset up for failure on both sides.
I mean, honestly, I feellike the people that are it's targeted
towards are the innocent because we haveto talk about all these rights and it's
there, you know, you don'tget to know where they are. And
that's a right. No. See, it's the same thing as in jail.

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You and correct me if I'm wrong. When you are in jail,
you are owned by that county,that state, that whatever you are,
a piece of property, you've lostyour rights. So why all of a
sudden this person, Yes, allof a sudden, this person get all
these rights back when they're out,when they're still technically detained, they're supposed
to be detained, and how arethey all of a sudden getting all these
rights back? And now the policeshouldn't be able to know where they're at.

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You're exactly right, we shouldn knowwhere we're at. We should know
exactly where they're at at all times. But instead you have some of these
people to advocate. There's people oncertain political views and certain ideologies that will
advocate more for suspects rights, suspectsand prisoner's rights than they will for the
public and the innocent people that havedone nothing wrong. You know, you're

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just going to a party like yourdaughter, and all of a sudden you're
shot and killed. It's like,why are they not advocating for that person's
rights? Well, and they're not. One of the other bills that we
spoke against was, oh, weneed to pay the inmates fifteen dollars an
hour and reduce their commissary, whichis your dorito's reduce the price because we're

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couging them because they have families theyneed to take care of. Absolutely not.
If you're going to pay them fifteendollars an hour, you better put
it in a fund for victims.And I don't see why this is so
difficult. I really don't. Ithere's there's all kinds of rabbit holes.
Because I've had many people on totalk and we all say the same thing.

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If you're going to put people injail, which everyone agrees, if
you do the crime, you getyour butt, step down and do it.
Why isn't there mandatory programs they haveto do. Why isn't it that
you have to You know, atthis point, you aren't you don't have
human rights right now. I meanyou have human rights, but you don't
have civilian rights. You have inmaterights and part of you to get out

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of here. You don't just getto go sit on your ass and you
don't get to go work out allday and you don't get to read a
book. You you have to gothrough these programs. You're assessed. You
need this, You need that givethese guys something that makes them feel like
their life is worth something, becauseobviously they don't. Well, you gotta
think about something too. When whensomeone ends up in prison because they're committed

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a violent felony or felony and endup in prison, the reality is a
lot of times there's been a lotof systems that have failed them and why
they ended up in prison in thefirst place. The first system that fails
them is their family structure. Alot of times family structures failed them.
Then the school systems failed them.That's well before a police officers ever put
handcuffs on that on that person juvenilesor adult, those systems have already failed

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them. Now they're in prison andnow they're structure. So they had no
structure before. Now they're structure.So everything you just described is exactly right.
There should be systems and processes thingsthey have to go through. There's
no question you're going to have toaccomplish these things to get out. And
if you haven't accomplishing things, you'rerefusing to cooperate. Hey, sit in
your cell and read your book,but you're not getting out when you're at

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the time. You're it jammed thetime. And by the way, you
you do have to write letters tovictims families, whether they want them or
not. No, I agree withyou. That's a that's a great point
in something that we should probably tryto work on, almost like a checklist
of things that need to be acome right, why not why not have
a trade school in the prisons forpeople that are to get out? Why

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not? Here you here's your driver'slicense class. Right, here's how you
get out of debt. Or I'vegot one better. Yeah, everyone whinds
about how much prisons cost. Idon't think prisons should cost that much.
They should be self sufficient outside ofstaff. Learn how to grow your own
food, learn how to get along. If you can't get along and you

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mess up the crops, well overhere, we've got broccoli, beans,
bread, and boy, it's gonnabe stinky in there too. Like they'll
figure it out. They have to, I mean, and actually talking to
some of these ex gang guys thatit is figured out somewhat in prison,
because the the OG guys are thearian nation. You got this group and

(31:44):
this group in this group, blood'scrips. I don't know how it breaks
down in prison, but they allhave to get survive in there, so
it's not just to go kill everybodyall the time thing, which seems to
be what juveniles want. To dobecause they have no sure But it seems
that in prison they do they canfigure it out. They know how to

(32:06):
get along enough to survive, toget out, and they leave each other
alone for the most part. Right, So, I don't see why prisons
have to cost that much money.I really don't. I mean, teach
them how to plumb their own toilet, teach them how to do electrical teach
them how once you progress onto that, you learn the next thing. You'll

(32:27):
come out of there with three differenttrades to make some real money. Right.
We're setting them up when they leaveprison, unfortunately, to reoffend.
Right. Right, when you saythat this is rue, we walk them
out the door and say good luck. But yet they haven't done anything that
I'm aware of to learn things thatthey could occupy their time in there for

(32:49):
good, right, you know,and some do, some do right,
and some come out they learn.There was a guy in my grief group
that we went to on twenty fourth, and didn't you come in there and
full you know? Somebody came infull uniform, scared the crap out of
the juveniles, didn't tell us thatthey were coming, and the juveniles didn't
know for the so It was forthe little kids to kind of introduce them

(33:12):
to police and say, well,why are you skared? Why have you
ever seen a police officer shoot you? Is? Have you seen a police
officer kill someone? So it waskind of that. But my friend Lisa,
who brought him in, didn't tellus, and so when they walked
in in full gear, those juvenileswere like they thought something was wrong and
their face just went who And I'mjust like, well, dear, what
just happened? So but I Ifeel like it. It isn't hard,

(33:38):
but they don't want common sense init. And I've said this before and
I'll tell you guys. I meta guy in Vegas, long story short,
you know how you just meet peoplein Vegas and ended up talking wandering
around and was a group of us. I knew he was probably a gangbanger
just by I don't know how Ifigured out, but he wasn't doing anything

(33:58):
to me. I didn't get abad vibe. And then I was telling
him about Carly and then he waslike wait a minute, and I told
him everything. He's like, ohno, he's a fifteen time felon.
Wow, he's front. He's acrip in Compton and because I said,
these guys are four time felling,he goes, I'm fifteen times I said

(34:20):
violent. He said, yeah,he goes, they don't want us in
the system. They make money fromme being out because they're they're public defenders
and they're this and they're that.All makes money. And it's just like,
I mean, at what point,three strikes isn't really street three strikes
in Nebraska as far as I cantell. So what can we do?

(34:40):
How can people get involved? BecauseI know you guys have you know,
the Police Officers Association, How canpeople get involved to help you figure out
and say we want we want tohelp them, we want to help police
get a handle on this. I'llstart. The big thing is kind of

(35:04):
doing like what you're doing, maybenot to the extent because that you spend
a lot of time and for agood reason. I'm unbroke doing it,
but I just have to. Youhave to. And there's a lot of
good people that are I think,might not think the same that we do,
but have good intentions. But atleast they're coming to the table,

(35:24):
they're coming to these meetings. Ithink, no matter what your opinion is,
you need to get involved in localgovernment, whether it's you show up
at a city council meaning, youshow up at at a county board meeting.
What people fail to realize is who'ssitting in that oval office doesn't have
a whole lot to do with yourday to day life. But who is

(35:46):
your elected county board member and doyou know what they do? And do
you know what they do? Oryour city councilman or your oppd representative,
like all of those things matter,I'll lot more than who's sitting inside the
oval office. And so people probablydon't even know who my city council member

(36:07):
is or who my county board allthe time and coming to those meetings.
If you want to real impact localgovernments where it's at and your state at
find if you want to find whoyour reps are, we made it easy
carlyrain dot com. It says findmy rep and you can find every single
representative based on your address and locationand email. Right, it does matter

(36:31):
in the local city councilmen or countyboard member or state senator. They're receptive,
you send it. They're approachable,they're real people. They come from
your neighborhood. And whereas you mightsend a letter to the White House.
You're going to get a canned responseback. Thank you for your response.

(36:54):
You might get a phone call fromyour state representative or your city council member
or a you can tell a personalizedemail, and there's power in numbers,
I believe. Didn't you guys havea phone call with Don Bacon or with
a group, Yeah, we dida phone call. We're trying to encourage
the County Board to do the rightthing and to vote to keep forty second

(37:15):
Street open when it comes to juvenilejustice. The old county board, yeah,
yeah, voted so basically to closeforty second Street to open this new
youth center downtown. Initially they onlywanted forty eight beds in there, and
it's all based on theory, notbased on any type of evidence of the
number will be reduced. But wekept hearing from our elected officials like Chris

(37:36):
Rogers and Maryanne Borgson. They kepttelling us in meetings, we're going to
have all these programs. It's goingto reduce the number of juveniles and the
youth center. And we kept hearingthis the entire the entire process. I
kept pushing back saying, what arethese programs? Explain it is there places
where you can point to that haveimplemented these programs that we can look at
to see what the success rates ofthese programs are and what do they look
like. And no one could everanswer those questions to this day. It's

(37:58):
been five and a half years nowsince we've been talking about this and and
and nothing has changed. So oh, they just don't answer because they don't
have the answer. They were justthey're just it's just it's just a lot
of fluff. In order to getwhat they wanted accomplished. Well, we
had a town hall, a videotown hall, and a phone town hall
where it went out to uh toa lot of people in those districts to

(38:22):
encourage their county commissioners to do theright thing and Q forty second Street open
and it was very successful. Wehad some other mothers on the on the
program whose kids were killed by otherjuveniles and they were there to talk about
what happened to their kids and whywe need to we need to do what
we do what we can to fixthe system. And they end up being
very successful. So you're right beinginvolved. And like Dan said, he's
exactly right. Your mayor, yourcity council, your County Board. Those

(38:45):
those are the races that matter waymore than Biden and Trump. I mean,
everyone wants to talk about Trump.Everyone wants to talk about Biden,
and I get it. That's that'sthat's but I agree, and we got
to talk about what's going on inthe local level and if you if you
fix things on the local level.I think Omaha is at the verge of
being an example city. If wecan get some of these somebody's issues,
especially when it comes to juveniles,get some of those things change and fix

(39:07):
and done the right way, Ithink we can be an example for the
entire country. We're we're on thatverge in my opinion, because we're we're
small enough. We're big enough tohave some of the some of the major
city problems, but we're also smallenough, in my opinion, to fix
them. So they're not so bigthat you that is so overwhelming to fix.
But we can fix some of theseproblems and be really assertive. But
it takes citizens like you. Ittakes citizens like the listeners listening today that

(39:29):
will actually get involved and get engaged. Right. Write your city council member,
write your county board members, Hey, we heard about this, This
isn't right. We want to dosomething to change this and get them on
the right path. Because you're You'rethey're supposed to represent you, and that's
their job. They were elected torepresent you. You got to get involved
and that's one of the things thatwe try to push our members. We
try to push the public to getinvolved. And that's why our social media

(39:50):
has been so successful, because we'repushing out some of the issues that are
going on and encouraging people to makethese phone calls, make these send those
emails to start. Let these electedto fishers know, I must citizen in
your district. I'm your constituent.You need to change this, involved this
way and do the right thing.And it's a follow up which I is
another topic that I want to eventuallyor not a topic, but a goal

(40:14):
that I want. I want tocreate a website that is kind of like
an accountability watchdog site where people canbe educated on what their commissioner, what
their everything's doing. Because some ofthese commissioners, they live in a district
where they know a certain color isgoing to be checked, but what they

(40:35):
have done being in that district andbeing in office has been completely opposite of
what that color would want. Theproblem is people don't follow up with that.
Yeah. I mean sometimes we're justso brainwashed into blue red, blue
red, and that's deceptful, that'sdeceit. And I I want people to

(40:59):
just wake up and take a lookand see what policies they push through and
if it is, do you alignwith public safety? Do you want more
public safety? Or are you okaywith how it is? You know,
just vote how you vote, butbe smart about are they doing what you
want them to do? I agree, yeah, And I think that at
the end of the day, weall want the same thing, right,

(41:22):
It's just we see a different maybepath on how to get there. But
what we want is there not tobe repeat offenders. Right. We don't
want the recidivism rate to be throughthe roof. Right now, in Douglas
County, we have thirty five youthso far or in twenty twenty three,

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thirty five youth who had been chargedwith their fifth felony and all that'll be
sealed when they are out right,thirty five In two thousand and sixteen,
do you know how many youth havebeen charged with their fifth felony? Eight
two? Wow? To beat thatso everybody got it. Twenty sixteen,

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there were two juveniles in the endin the entire Douglas County that had felony
conn that had four or more felonycharges. Two four more felony charges.
And today and today in twenty twentythree, there's thirty five. What was
it in oh in today twenty twentythird. Yeah, last year there was

(42:35):
thirty five youth. And that doesn'tmean that Omaha police are arresting more and
more juveniles. Is the number ofjuveniles arrested is relatively equal throughout the year.
It's we're arresting more people as repeatoffenders, so they're not getting rehability.

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So it's the same core group.It's the same core group. And
as our chief said at the threesixty meeting, that's relatively thirty five before
we as a community can't wrap ourarms around thirty five youth and figure out
how to prevent this from happening.Because we talk a lot about the juvenile
system, and we talk a lotabout how it works, and I think

(43:23):
we agree that for ninety to ninetyfive percent of the youth, it's a
good system. It works, it'sdoing what it's supposed to do. Because
if you look at the juveniles thatare arrested with lower level felonies or level
entry level stuff, they're not repeating. The system's working. There's good programs

(43:45):
for those kids. But for thethirty five that are now charged with their
fifth felony and they're not even eighteenyears old yet, well, there doesn't
seem to be teeth in them.No, it doesn't seem deep allowed to
be teeth in the juvenile system.And people gotta understand, Douglas County Corrections
runs your or Douglas County commissioners.The Douglas County Board runs corrections. It

(44:09):
has law enforcement does not run corrections. Yes, And to me that is
also a problem because I feel likeall the things that I've seen, there's
this animosity between certain members of thecounty Board and law enforcement, as if
that's a bad thing. It shouldyou should be communicating with each other pre

(44:29):
trial release. It should be okay, you've got your computer program or your
subcontractor. Who gives these guys numbers, which, by the way, a
second degree murderer charge got and afour time felon got a four which isn't
even the highest for Carly's Do weknow what this last kid got. It's
not transparent and there's no follow up, so follow up, and I've I've

(44:54):
kind of hit my friend up witha lot of questions because I want some
numbers on some things, and howmany people have reoffended since pre trial started?
I want how many violent offenders havereaffell in or repeat felons have reoffended
on pre trial release. I wantto know how many guys on bond have
reoffended. Those are numbers that peopleneed to see. But for some reason,

(45:17):
and I feel like that the countyboard should be asking that on a
regular like that's just just to bepart of corrections, Right, are we
correcting anyone? Because we're certainly notmonitoring them? Which brings me back to
my meeting with the director of corrections. So after Carly, he was you
know, took me into gave mea tour. There was four desks.

(45:40):
Oh well, since we added threemore people to monitor, there was no
one at these desks number one Andwhat I was told is there's nine hundred
people on pre trial release at thattime, how many of them are on
GPS. I didn't get that answer. I forgot to ask because I was

(46:00):
blown away. So that's nine hundredbeds that are freed up, which is
why they make a million dollars insurplus opening those beds for or they're paying
customers the fugitives for the feds.But that costs my daughter her life,
That costs Chris Gradville his life,that may have caught, that could have
cost someone at that bar their lifeor a police officer. And I get

(46:25):
and i'm i'm there's so many thingsto go off on here. But if
you're not gonna monitor them, howyou should Like how Florida does they have
a whole like I don't know,war games set up and they know where
someone is at all times. Imean, geez, you could make it
like a ren camera and talk tothe people like, hey, you just
crossed the line where ye at?You know. If you're not gonna do

(46:50):
that, then it's a waste ofour money and it's deadly. So I
mean, at the very least,to stop pre trial release till you figure
it out, at least for felonsif it's a violent offense. If it's
a violent offense or a felon,it's not an option. Yeah. Nice,

(47:10):
But they tell us, well,that's the judges that decide that.
Okay, but you're telling the judgesthat you have this amazing program, this
amazing program where we can monitor thembetter, but you're not actually monitoring them.
So what are you telling that thejudges are being hoodwinked? In my
opinion, so if we have togo to the state level and change some

(47:31):
things where it's a violent a violentoffense and a repeat felon is not eligible
for any type of release on bond, blah blah blah blah blah, that
pretty much sums up an easy answer. No, it takes out of hands
to judge and takes away that argument. Yeah, I agree it. I
feel like it would give the votersand the public some sort of teeth to

(47:54):
their own safety because right now,the county board makes decisions in the name
of public safety that the citizens don'tget a vote on. And I'm pretty
sure if pre trial release was putto a vote, people would have seen
loopholes like this and gone wall wellwait a minute, Well, in a

(48:14):
way, they do get a voteon it, because they get to vote
who's elected in these positions. Yes, not on specific policies, but there
are some members who we think aremaking this community less safe that voted to
have no cash bail, no cashbail like New York and in all these

(48:37):
cities where you see crime skyrocket,and now they're trying to figure out what
to do. I bet they're networth one, not to what's that?
I bet their net worth one?Yeah. Right. They voted for no
cash bail in Douglas County, Nebrasaif it could happen in Douglas County,
Nebraska. Well, and that's thething, that's so, that's the problem.
Where for me, if it's happeninghere like this in Omaha, we

(49:01):
know everything happens on the coast firstand filters in. If it's happening here,
imagine how bad it is on thecoast. And I have met many
mothers. In fact, I'm gonnahave them on the show. Virginia,
North Carolina, California repeat felons killedkid. Yeah, well, I can

(49:22):
tell you this. He talked aboutno cash Bell and the failures that has
come from that, every place thathas. There's even articles out now talking
about everyone's rethinking no cash Bell becauseof how much of a failure it has
been. So for our county boardat the time when they voted for it.
Those failures are already being magnified inthe media and they still voted for
no cash Bell. So what Danis saying, and I just want to

(49:44):
echo this is exactly right. Wedo have a voice, and we have
a voice. But once again,it goes back to what we talked about
earlier. You have to be involvedand engage. You have to vote for
people and that prioritize public safety.You talked earlier about the kind of the
disagreements that happen between the county boardand the and law enforcement. That goes
back to there's a certain amount ofarrogance, unfortunately in some of our elected

(50:06):
officials that they feel that they cannever talk to law enforce and they want
to talk down to us. I'vebeen talked down to meetings with Chris Rogers
and Mary Anne Borgson. I justI'm not afraid to say their names.
They talk down to me like Iknow no idea what I'm talking about.
But I'm talking on behalf first ofall my members, because that's what matters.
Like you talked earlier, our officershave been shot by these juvenile shot
out by these juveniles. Officers havebeen injured by gunfire by repeat offenders.

(50:30):
So when police officers get killed,So you talked earlier about that number.
Police officers are killed a lot oftimes by repeat offenders. That's who are
killing police officers too. So,yes, we do have a voice and
we should be at the table havingthese discussions. But a lot of the
arrogance from these elected officials they don't. They don't want to talk to law
enforcement, and that should be ameasuring stick when you decide to vote.
Am I going to vote for thisperson? I won't even talk to the

(50:52):
sheriff, newly elected sheriff that hasa very strong opinion on pre trial release.
He would like to take over.He would like it to be more
robust and actually it's something that youjust earlier. He would like something like
that here. But the county boardwon't talk to him because they feel like
like they don't need to and theydon't have to. He was elected by
the people. He was elected bythe people. They literally got mad in
Lincoln and that's how I learned aboutit. They were literally bitching that well,

(51:14):
he didn't come talk to us firstbefore making this bill. What what
kind of seventh grade do we livein? As adults. He didn't.
It's just for the betterment of thepublic. Yes, And if you didn't
think of it first, sorry,it's an arrogance of some of these elected
officials. It's just it drives mecrazy. But once again, that's where
the public has to be involved andengage. You gotta know what's going on,

(51:35):
and they have to vote. Likelike Dan said, stop worrying about
Trump and Biden. Stop worrying aboutthose two. Worry about your county boards,
worried about your city councils. Worryabout your legislators and who they are,
what are they, what their platformsare running on. Are they acting
that way when they're in these meetinglook at some of the some of the
I can tell you right now thatI Carly's death has been dismissed by both
Marianne and Chris, and it ison a video. You can see their

(52:00):
faces tell it all. And they'vethey've said it, not just to me,
they it's kind of it's very dismissive. Yeah, and it's very it's
not our problem. Yeah, Chrisis very big on it's not our problem.
It's the state. It's the state. And this I am heartfelt for
you. But yeah, you knowwhat, get out of here. But
once again, as a county commissioner, you carry some weight too. You're

(52:22):
an elected official. What are youadvocating for in the legislature. What is
your legislative priorities that the county boardis putting together to send down the Lincoln
every year when the session starts,do you have something to say, we
want to make some of these changes. That was something we asked Chris Rogers
during one of the meetings about juvenilejustice. He kept saying that the state
needs to step up and put moremoney towards programs. Once again, you've
been in We've been talking about thisfor five and a half years. What

(52:44):
when have you prioritize a bill andsaid we want this done and this is
what's going to help bring programs tothe juvenile justice system in Omaha. What
is your bill that you pushed?You can't he can't point to one because
he's not doing it. He's justtalking. And you know what, We've
come up with four solutions just inthirty minut In fact, pre trial release
should have no violent offense eligible right, no felon eligible, and an actual

(53:17):
transparent monitoring system. Police should haveat live access to GPS and you cut
off your monitor, you're violated,and you're back in jail. You don't
show up to a meeting, you'reviolated, you're back in jail. It's
not that hard. Sarpie County.I was in Sarpie County for thirty days.

(53:39):
I had a DUI failure to signal, failure to signal on a dark
street into a gas station with nobodyaround. And I was told, because
I'm a mom and I have Ihad a really good job at the time,
a single mom, I'll just getweekends. Guess what judge said,
Oh sorry, she's here, nowthrow her. And I had thirty days.

(54:01):
And even after the thirty days,you had to go through a program
and every week, once a week, you had to go take this class.
And it was I mean, it'sarchaic. It seemed like it was
for first degree murderers. Honestly,it was old. But it was like,
break you down, your biggest pieceof shit on earth, and you
suck, and then why can yoube better? And you go through this

(54:24):
process. But if you're late tothat class one minute, nope, and
you can only miss one class.I mean, and inn Sarby county don't
mess around, you know, evenprobation. In Douglas County. A girlfriend
of mine got a DUI, shewrecked, totaled her car, total a
pole. She was told when shewas gonna get a UA that woman never
stopped drinking. She never stopped.It's so different on the accountability level.

(54:51):
And criminals aren't stupid criminals, nojuveniles, No kids are smart. But
when a kid acts up, whatare they begging forructure? Structure? Yeah,
so we three people right here,We add in the sheriff, and
we add in a few other opinions, and we will have ten prerequisites to

(55:15):
pre trial that they could implement.So maybe we go to the county board
and say here, we'll do yourjob. Can you implement this please?
Yeah, because I don't know.Do you know any county board member what
their history is in law enforcement orcorrections? I don't none that I'm aware
of. You. Yeah, youwould think an educated, smart person would

(55:40):
go, well, this isn't myarea of expertise. Maybe and they say
that, Well, we had soand so in there, and we had
so and so in the room.Well I guarantee you didn't have any victims
in the room. Yeah, well, the problem, though, it goes
back to what I said earlier,the arrogance of some of our elected officials.
They don't want to listen to anyoneelse. They think they have the
answers, they know everything already.That was the exact attitude I got from

(56:00):
Chris Rogers and Maryann Borgison in thosemeetings, and they didn't want to listen
to us, and we'll listen toto sheriff. They just they have an
absolute arrogance is they don't they don'tcare to listen. And it's like the
only way to solve that is toget out and be involved, involved and
engaged and know what's going on andvote and to get them out of office.
That's the only way to get involved. And that's not to say all

(56:22):
Douglas County commissioners are bad, becausethey're you know, they answer emails,
they certain ones, and I wouldsay that PJ. Morgan, my friend
Roger have definitely when I reach out, have responded, you know, Roger

(56:42):
Garcia, Yes, Roger Garcia.I'm sorry, not Chris Rogers, and
I haven't really reached out to Maureenor Jim that much Kavanaugh, but I
feel like they listen and they don'tdismiss you, and they and I have
never seen them dismiss anyone in ameeting. They sit, they listen,

(57:05):
Mary Anne and Chris are very dismissiveof people, even even Don Klein.
So you know, when I cancome in that room with moms from North
Omaha, with guys that are oldgang bangers, with the seemingly opposite people

(57:27):
in you know, the community whohave you know, nonprofits and things,
but we're all saying the same thing. Clearly, what you're doing is not
working because we should be opposite someof us, and we're all in there
saying the same thing. When,especially when it came to juveniles, well,
there's a lot of I don't havea whole lot of time. I
know you probably want to wrap thisup soon, but you bring back the

(57:51):
nonprofits and I'm not going to namenames here, but there's a lot of
control from private organizations into the system. For the left, there's there's no
help. We don't get any helpover here. And I like to say,
I'm sitting in the middle, likethe water's warming here. Could you
guys like come in a little AndI honestly do think that those people have
really good intentions. It's just they'reliving in a fantasy world, you know.

(58:17):
It's it's it's idealistic but not practical. Sure, we'd love to fart
rainbows and unicorns all day, butthat's just not the it's not the realityicorns.
I'm a little differ than Dan,and I'm just gonna say exactly who
it is. A Sherwood Foundation.They have these commercials on the air talking

(58:38):
about Douglas Counties in the forefront ofjuvenile justice reform. When we're watching these
numbers continue to increase with juveniles thatare repeat offenders, Like, yeah,
exactly, I agree. Opposite,I agree, I agree. The fun
people. Yeah, they send thisletter to the county board promising ten million
dollars five billion for programming five millionfor the new US and Her five and

(59:00):
a half years ago, and thatletter was basically a demand letter. It's
either gonna be four to eight bedsor you're not getting our money. And
at some point you gotta you gotto ask the question is like, why
are you so so held bent?Exactly? First of all, private the
the private funds coming in, especiallyespecially when it comes with with UH with
strings attached, that the answer shouldautomatically be no, because the public should

(59:22):
just the public should be taking,should be funding these these things corrections,
Junile corrections, the publishers. Exactly. So now you have you have this
private fund, and now they're bringingit and having strings attached. The answer
should have been, well, wedon't want your money. We're gonna figure
out this problem without your money.But instead it was like everyone started bending
to their demands. Because it's likeit's almost like a hostage letter, and
it's it's crazy to me that thatwas allowed. And that was that's what

(59:44):
happened with Maryanne Chris Rogers. Theywere they were just bending to the to
the knees. Oh, absolutely,they were sold And that's that's listen.
I'm not afraid to say it,and I will say it. Yes,
they were absolutely sold out. We'vemet with the Sherwood Foundation representative. We've
talked to her about her commercials,and honestly, she says she pushing her
commercials with a pushback of our fromour social media because our social media is

(01:00:06):
telling the truth. One thing aboutcops we have because you're telling the true.
Yeah exactly, yeah, exactly so, and that's and that's what they
basically admitted to us. So let'sjust let's just not be afraid to call
out who needs to be caught out, because I think that's important that we
start talking. Are these commissioners makingmoney from Sherwood Foundation. There's no evidence
of that, and I don't wantto I don't want to go there.

(01:00:27):
I don't believe that, but Ido believe I do know that that letter
was basically a demand letter. Weeventually started working. It got to sixty
four beds through our opposition, andwe even told them at the time,
we don't care where their centers at. We don't that's not none of our
concern. We don't care what itlooks like you have the rooms look like
like dorm rooms. We don't care. But there needs to be enough space.
And that was our biggest arguments inthe very beginning. And they got

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to sixty four beds, thinking somehowthat that was gonna win us over.
We told them, making one hundredand twenty beads and we're out. You
don't have to ever hear from usagain. And they never they never wanted
to get to that number because onceonce again, it's all based on ideology,
all based on theories in my opinion, I think county grows, which
population grows, which means juveniles.Yeah, it makes it makes perfect yes,

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yes, yeah, yes, yeah, numbers, yeah, exactly,
numbers are going to grow. Butbut yeah, that's that's the problem with
a lot of these uh these groups. In my opinion, they look at
they look at North Omaha and andblack and brown kids. It's like their
weekend project. They don't have tolive with the consequence since when these juveniles
are out carjacking shooting people. Mymom still live in Northeast Omaha, and

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my mom there's a there was acarjacking up the street from her, And
this is just just me and herwere just talking. It wasn't me being
a police officer. We're just havinga conversation mom and son. And she
told me, she's like, youknow, I used to open my garage,
go to my car, get ina car, and then and then
back out. Put my seaboat onthe back out. She says, Now,
I'll get all the way in mycar, put my seatboat on,
start my car, and then Iopened my garage before I back out.

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Because the carjacking happened to two housesup from her, and that was just
a reflection of what a citizen isnow changing their behavior based on a crime
that happened up the street from them. Because she's worried about King Karja.
She said, I figure someone puta gun to gun of me. I'm
just gonna hit the gas and runthem over, run it, run out
of here. And that's that's that'sa shame. That's a shame. We
should be ashamed of ourselves that that'show citizens are now responding to the crimes

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that are happening in our in ourcity. We should be looking at what
are we doing in the system tomake sure we're holding juvenile was accountable when
they commit that first felony, theyare getting the programs that they need insecure
facilities so that they're not out torepeat. And that's what we're seeing right
now is mandatory programs. I agree, mandatory, And we've got to figure
out how to stop this culture thing, which I think I still don't buy

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into it a lot. But ifyou were going to be silent about something
that you see that could put someonewho could kill you tomorrow away, you
are advocating for that person, whichcreates the neighborhood your mom lives in.
Yeah, West, Omaha. There'sring cameras everywhere, right, and Carly

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would have been the first one,wouldn't have cared to say no, they'd
killed my friend. I'm gonna saysomething. You can't sit here and say
nothing and let these guys continue tobe out. It doesn't make any sense
and you're only putting yourself in moredanger. Yes, which for the next
party, you're the next carjacking.I know, we I know. You

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guys have to get going. Idid want to show you something that is
new and if you have do youhave time? It is yeah, you
do. Okay, all right,We're gonna take a quick break and I
will be right back with Omaha PoliceOfficers Association Dan Martin and Tony Connors.

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Stay tuned for part two. Thankyou for listening to part one of our
hangout session with Tony Connors and DanMartin of the Omaha Police Officers Association.
I encourage you to look up Carly'sstory, find out how you can get
involved, how you can help findyour reps Carlyrain dot com. And thank

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you and have a great day.This is far from over. You haven't
seen the last to me, youhaven't seen the last of me.