lisa part 2 the invitation and grief group positives

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Episode Transcript

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Mm hm, baking faces and mythoughts to me angel faces on my way
to see the side unless I knewlike a botafly and loving this version of
me. Some episodes previously recorded.Well, hello there, we are going

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to do part two with uh LisaLuni, I said it right, you
did Yay. Now I'm not goingto try and spell it. Even though
I am a really good speller.I bet I could do it right,
but I'm not gonna spell it foryou. We are back with part two.
Something Lisa and I were discussing ina previous episode and we just kind

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of we had to take a breakand shut it down and come back for
another day. So we have plentyto say. Hopefully you guys like what
we're saying, and if you havequestions you can certainly give us a shout
out and ask the questions, orif you have input or places we can
look for things that we're talking about, just let us know. I always
encourage you. Please look up yourrepresentatives if you are in Omaha, your

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Douglas County Board, Douglas County commissioners. Do you know what a Douglas County
commissioner does? Not a lot ofpeople do but you're voting for them.
Find out if they are voting onthings and creating policies that you approve of.
Make sure when it comes to judges, try and do your homework,
which is another topic. When indoubt them out. That's what people tell

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me. You just need to makeyourself educated because now we're getting down to
policies that are affecting public safety.It's been happening for years and it's time
that the public stands up for it. And our youth is being affected as
well, at least in Omaha,but we see it all over the country.

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Fifteen sixteen year olds committing first degreemurder. That is a problem,
not something that I really thought wouldbe commonplace. So we've replaced common sense
with common crime, common murder,common homicide, and we cannot. We

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have to stick up for our youth. And we have to rehabilitate people and
create more emotionally intelligent people so theycan deal with their emotions properly. Which
is a good book, by theway, wish they were sponsoring me.
Emotional Intelligence is an amazing book.Pick it up, read it. Carly
Rainwood was my daughter at just twentyyears old, was murdered on November thirteenth,

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twenty twenty two, by repeat violentoffenders, repeat felons with guns who
were out, some of which wereout on pre trial release program in Douglas
County, which to me is amajor problem considering a repeat violent offender should
not even be eligible for that,but they do it in the name of

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making money. There we go.Also, he was on one of them
was on federal supervision. They werenot being supervised, and that's the problem
right now. I believe at onepoint I was told there was nine hundred
people on pre trial release and theyhad one person at one point monitoring the

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people who were on GPS monitors.Again, I presume that that must have
been more than one person in shiftsbecause someone has to sleep. It's pretty
bad and fun fact, no lawenforcement agency has active live GPS location of

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those on GPS monitoring. Yes,your public safety in action. They have
to get a subpoena to track downsomeone who has a GPS monitor. The
more I learn about the judicial system, the more that it seems it is
the criminal system, and the criminalsknow this. We need to put logic
back into law, and we needto fight for our youth and help them

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become productive parts of society, becausethis is getting out of control. And
the more stories I hear and themore people we meet, it's just commonplace.
And my phone just beeped and we'reat two hundred and twenty two unread
messages, which is an number ifyou believe in that. So Hello Angel,

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all right, Lisa is here.Hi Lisa. Hello. We kind
of left off at active Parenting.However, I'm going to backtrack on one
thing here because when we started going, we started talking about the three sixty
group, and again, it's donea lot of good things. Their numbers,

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their statistics are showing good things.However, parts of that group are
on the news saying the first thingwe do is reach out to the victims
and the victims families and et cetera. And I still have yet to be
contacted by any of those groups,and I feel like some of them aren't

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so accepting. And this is myopinion which I have and I have a
right to have because I am themother of a victim of crime in the
community and uh, not so invitingand were welcoming and I was immediately judged.
So we went to the three sixtymeeting ironically, we met some allies

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in there. Met there's some goodpeople in that room. I think there's
good hearts. But once you startgetting big dollars involved, then it starts
turning into big business and then thecommunity part of it gets lost, or
the money coming back into the communitykind of gets lost. So, Lisa,

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I met you after a three sixtymeeting. I think you weren't able
to go to that one. Ibelieve because I was approached after the three
sixty meeting about this. So Idon't think you were able to go to
that one. And we were goingto meet up out oh our lost Yes,
So we go for and then Ihanded her a piece of paper and
said, hey, do you wantto go to a grief group? I

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was just invited to today by thisrandom black car that stopped in front of
me. Thought he might run meover. He jumped out of the car
and said, Hey, why don'tyou come to this? And he actually
said, now, I know it'sway down there, but I got you
meaning it was way down in NorthOmaha, or in his term, the

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hood. And he said it asif I would not be comfortable going down
there. I have no problem goingto North Omaha, and so he kind
of posed it to me as achallenge. And at the same time,
I thought I might be able toget answers in such a place, and

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if someone's willing to reach out theolive branch to me, why not grab
it. So I went out andLisa and then I said hey, And
then yeah, you were like,hey, do you want to go to
this group? You know, somebodyapproached me today and I looked at the
paper. I was like, oh, okay, you said, well it's
down in North Omaha. I'm like, okay, said Wednesdays. And then

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yeah, you said Wednesdays. Nowmind you, it's Wednesday and it's five
o'clock. We're sitting there, it'sfive o'clock and we're eating our food and
I said, well, what timeis it at and You're like, oh,
it's Wednesdays at five thirty. Iwas like, oh, next week
and you were like no, today, Like it it's five o'clock. I
know we're thirty minutes away right now. So we quick paid our tab,

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jumped in my car, and wewent straight down there. And I remember
we got there. We walked in, didn't know what to expect. You
know, we're kind of just walkinginto this blindly. And we walked in
and all heads turned. There weresome stunned faces just for a moment like
oh who are these Oh she showedup. Yeah, that was actually what

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was being said, because I wastold by him that a lot of the
women in the room were like,stat white girl ain't coming down here.
Oh yes I did. And itturned out and it has been a very
helpful group. And that was alsoa Wednesday, So that was a Wednesday

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you had to work, I believeor something. And but then something freed
up. And so then Lisa goesto the grief group with me and it's
and it's a circle, so we'relearning a lot about this circle and restorative
healing type deal. And then there'sa kid's room and there's like kids of

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trauma and parents passing away or familymembers passing away. And next thing I
know, Lisa sat in the griefgroup. But then the next thing I
know, the next week, shelike never returned from the children room,
and I was like, WHOA,Well, she needs to do her grief
about her nephew. No police isin their teaching, So how well was

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that? Like how were you approachedand what do you think of it.
So the first time that we showedup to the first day of grief group,
they actually had a facilitator in therewith the children, and I don't
remember, I don't know if yourecall it. She came out and she
said, they're done. I can'tdo anymore. And I didn't know.

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I didn't know what had happened inthere or anything. You know, I
was pretty much there to kind oflike just go on this journey with you
and kind of support you through thisbecause I knew how much you needed that
support, especially at that time kindof navigating that I did need a witness
that I was there and just think. You know, the following week we
went and all of a sudden,this facilitator for the kids never showed up,

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and so one of the women inthe group was going to go in
there. But you know, wehad heard her story the week before and
it was pretty traumatic, and Ifelt that she would benefit more from the
grief group than I would. Ifelt that you were, you were in
good hands in that group, andI didn't need that the way you needed
that or the way that she neededthat. So I have experience with children,

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and you know, large groups ofchildren in a teaching environment. So
I offered to go in there anddo it, and they said, what
and what is your background for thoseout there going, oh my gosh,
some random ladies helping these trauma kids. What is your experience with trauma children
and all of that background. Sowhen I lived outside of Philadelphia, one

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of the high schools would call occasionallyand ask if I would be willing to
take on one of their teens atthe school that was having a hard time
opening up about things that were goingon at home or in their personal lives.
And in Philadelphia you have to haveso many hours of community service in
order to graduate. So these girlswould come to me, and I worked

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at a historical site, so Iwould kind of teach them a little bit
about the history of the mansion thatI was at, and you know,
we'd do some art and we wouldtalk about what was going on in their
life. So I made them feellike there was a safe space for them
to bring those problems out. Andwe were in a beautiful space, so
that helps too, you know,when you're surrounded by all this beauty and

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everything. No, I mean,you're talking about beautiful historical architecture and beautiful
paintings and furniture and you know,window dressings and everything. It's stunning.
So to be able to be inthat environment and get comfortable in it,
they got comfortable with me, theywould open up. I also volunteered for
March of Dimes and Easter Seals,and so I had experience working with special

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needs children as well on a volunteerbasis. Upon moving to Nebraska, that
kind of all went out the windowa bit. I did work for Elkhorn
Schools for a while, and thatwas at the elementary school level. And
so coming into Oh and I'm alsoone of the oldest of forty one first
cousins and the oldest of six children, so there's a lot of child here
going on. And you are aparent, which is probably a number one

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best experience. Yes, and I'ma single parent who raised a child alone.
I did not have help. Therewas no other parent, and I
was here without family and at thetime without friends. So that was a
big challenge also. So I comeinto this group and I mean, hey,
you've got twelve kids in there thatneed somebody to facilitate something. Hey,

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I can do that. You gosit down in the group. I'll
take care of this, and thatwas met with kind of huge surprise.
But by the end, I hadall these kids in order. There was
no yelling or running or jumping oranything like that. You're hugging Connor,
Miss Lisa. We had to goget you, I believe, like,
why is it quiet? And Iended up having so I put together a

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program for the eight weeks, andI followed through with that program, and
I got some really great results,and we did some really great things.
Got a lot out right, Therewas a lot that came. You got
a lot dumped in the pillow ofthere were just I mean, it was
one thing after and other things Ijust wasn't expecting to come out. But

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yeah, we made huge strides andwe had some unbelievable breakthroughs we had.
There were some children in there thatthe smile on their face was just nonexistent.
They weren't communicating with anybody at home. They had kind of like cornered
themselves into a room and didn't wantanything to do with anybody. But by
the end of our eight weeks thatchanged, and they said that they felt

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so good coming to the grief groupand just expressing what was going through their
heads. With me that they wantedto keep coming back. So then we
ended up doing another session. Yeah, we did a lot of projects,
and we even did things outside agrief group. We had field trips.
I've taken these children places, andI've come to really love them, and

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I think they love me too,and I think I've made a big difference
in their lives. And we justhope that that can continue in a different
because there was some admin something andnow that kind of dissolved a little,
but we hope that that can continueor and they they at least can remember,
Hey, somebody gave a crap.It was intervention, you know,

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there was there was a lot ofintervention that went into that group. So
I do want to talk about oneof the things that came out of One
of the biggest things that came outof that group was we went around and
we were talking about the loss oflife, and we were talking about police
officers. And I said, oh, yes, I find the main show
of hands, who here is afraidof police? Everybody raised their hand and

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I couldn't believe that, said,what what do we have? All right,
what do we have here? Let'sunpack this? So we went around
the group, one child at atime, and I took notes because I
wanted it to be very specific andI didn't want it to looted in any
way. And I said to eachchild, tell me what it is about
your community that you're afraid of,and tell me about why you're afraid of

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police. And the responses I gotwere, I'm afraid of the police because
I think they're going to shoot me. I think they're going to shoot everybody
up. I think they're going tothrow a grenade in the house. I
think they're going to beat people up. I think they're going to arrest me.
And I just couldn't believe what Iwas hearing. So after we got
all the way around the group,then I went back and I said,

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who here has ever been arrested?And nobody raised their hand, said who
here has been shot at by thepolice? No one raised their hand,
Who here has had a grenade thrownin their house? Nobody raised their The
boogeyman. It's the Boogeyman. Andso our topic of that day was scared

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things that we're scared of. AndI had a special friend there to help
me with scared. Yes, herspecial friend, however, she did not
tell the adult group about this specialfriend. And there happened to be a
couple of teenagers and that they're notthat special friend. Oh, this is
the other special friend, the littlespecial friend. Oh, the little so
you're thinking of another day, thelittle reptile friend. So I said to

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the kids, I said, youknow, sometimes we're scared of things and
we don't need to be. Sometimesthings are made to be so scary because
someone else told us to be scared, and then we find out that they're
not scary at all, that weactually really like them. And I said,
I have a special friend that's goingto help us out with that.
And everybody's so excited, like who'syour special friend? Who's your special friend?

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And so I went into the pillowcasethat was on the counter. Hold
on, I don't know how todo a drum roll, and I took
out my pet snake and everybody wasshot. Her name Claire, Claire Clear.
She is a albino python, analbino king corn jungle snake. Excuse

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me. And I held her outand she's yellow, orange and white,
and everyone was horrified. They're allgasping for air, and it was just
ladies traumatizing us again, and Isaid, this is my friend Claire.
And everybody's like, ah, they'rescreaming and hollering. I said, we
can't do that. We'll scare her, right, And I said would it

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surprise you? I said, whohere is scared of Claire? Everybody raises
their hand. I think one childdidn't raise their hand. And I said,
okay, is does everybody in herethink that Claire is slimy? And
everybody raises their hand. Oh,she's slimy there. And I said,
well, would it surprise you ifI told you that Claire is actually really
soft and silky And everybody's like,no, she's not, No, she's

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not. So I told them howto touch. I said, you're to
take one finger and you're just gonnaput it on her when I come around,
and you're gonna see that she's notslimy. And so we did that,
and I mean, these kids werescared to death. They're shaking their
little fingers out, shaking a milea minute. I mean they look like
a bottlehead and a moving car.It was funny, but I mean they

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did it. They all did it, and we went around the group three
times. By the time we wentaround the group three times everyone held her
and I've been asked to bring herback. Yeah, And so at the
end, I said, this isan example of where we're scared, but
we don't need to be scared forlack of knowledge. Yes, and knowledge
is power. I too had snakes, ironically Carly. So Carly grew up

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in a house. I had twoeight foot red tailboas Percy and Lincoln,
and the girls knew how to holdthem. They were they were eight foot
big around. Snakes are actually avery good pet. In fact, there's
some snakes which you know, Lisa, that are considered kid starter snakes like

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a leopard snake, right and snake. You only have to clean them like
once a month or whenever you feedthem. They are very soft. They're
a great massage on your neck ifyou trust your snake. But it was
the same thing I would bring mysnake around on people who were like,
oh my god, ah, snake, they're awful. Why because you read

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it, Because the Bible said so. Because there's still just an animal and
there is a purpose for a snake. So it was the same thing of
once they watched from Afar and thensaw and other people touched and you know,
it was the same thing. Andthen I used to bring them out
to the volleyball court sand volleyball becauseyou know, snakes being cold blooded when

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it was a hot day. Boy, a red tail boak can move really
fast, so you had to holdher tail or she'd be gone. But
the only person I could never breakof that was my uncle Bob. Uncle
Bob was not gonna come near eitherof my snakes. I mean, my
snakes were so like my snakes werepicky about what they ate. In fact,

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they wouldn't eat anything too furry.So one percy literally I had,
I had Boots. I'm sorry,I had Boots was my first one,
and I'm sorry, but I namedhim Boots because when when she would eventually
go, she could be I mean, what am I gonna do with her?
So but Boots literally would not eatanything too furrey, and she slept

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with a cat, never harmed it. I had. My mom at first
would not let me keep Boots inthe house. So I had this snake
at someone else's house and I comeover one day and this guy, you
know, I mean, he waskind of a potead. Let's not lie,

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and he's over there and I'm like, I look in the cage and
I go what. And this wasa nice cage. This was like a
giant glass display jewelry case. AndI look over in the cage and the
back is off of it, andI was like, what are you doing?
Like snakes get out and go places, and he's like, oh,
he's hanging out with I forgot Iforgot his black cat's name. They were

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curled up together. That snake neverharmed that cat. They were like buddies.
I'm like, what, So,anyway, none of my snake's laid
with my cats, but I guessI didn't let them try. No,
they make grape pets. And like, all of these kids wanted to hold

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her by the end, every singleone of them, even the one that
was the most scared, he wantedto hold her at the end YEP,
and he was like, she isreally nice. I'm like, you just
don't need to be scared of everythingall the time. But on that note,
as you know, I saw anopportunity, so I used the three
sixty group to reach out to policeofficers and they agreed to come in.

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So the following week, Yeah,so the following let me let me no
no, let me tell my versionof that, because I'm on the outside
of this, sitting in a griefgroup, and I'm actually going to tell
you that Carly, by the way, had her own snake. She saved
as like a ten year old.She saved like one hundred and fifty dollars.

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Came to me and said, Mom, I want to go to the
reptile show. I want to geta snake. And I was like,
she came to me with the information. I'm like, reptile show, they
have one here? Yes, theydid, and even at ten, Carly
is miss YouTube. She found itonline. We're going to a reptile show.
I was like, okay, Sowe went, and I'm going to

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tell you this story because it's sofitting of fears, right Carly. Carli
Adam learned about snakes. They loveanimals. I learned about reptiles and snakes,
not only through my dad's buddy hadreptiles. He had tortoises and iguanas
walking around his house like giant ones, just five foot iguanas sitting on the

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fridge. And then he had alligatorsand crocodiles. So it was like everywhere
we went there was and then thatwas phil and then I went to a
science school, King Science Center downin North Omaha, and we had the
school had pets, and one ofthat's where I was introduced to a boa,
red tailboa. And I'm not afan of pythons because I don't like

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their faces. They're not as prettyto me. But then I met a
few of a bunch of other guysand introduced some guys in high school to
snakes. And now he ended upowning a reptile store in Omaha and Benson,
so but that introduced me to it. And so schools don't do that
as much anymore. Where they don't. They don't, I guess give you

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the experiences of so many things whereyou can get over fears because they're taking
more out of schools rather than puttingthem in. Yeah, I agree,
And in fact, we went too. We did a thirty year reunion.
There's my age at King. Iorganized one because we were the first school,
or the first class to go fromfourth to eighth grade. At King.
They kept expanding it and they gotrid of their pet snake, and

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they got rid of all these petWe had all kinds of animals in there.
It was science school. They don'thave that stuff anymore, and kids
aren't being exposed to as much inschool where they should be right, not
as many field trips because of fundingand not as many. So anyway,
Carly comes up to me and shesays, I want to go to this

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reptile show. And I was like, okay, well, taker, she'd
saved her money. Carl was verygood about saving. When that girl wanted
something, she was gonna get itdone. And she saved all her birthday
money. Most kids don't do that. They'd go spend it at the candy
store. She would. And wewalked around the whole place, and she
really wanted a tortoise and I waslike, I don't have a place to

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keep a tortoise. Carly, really, can't we just have this? We
lived in a townhouse. And thenshe was like, well, next time
I'm gonna get and she wanted toget a bearded dragon next time. But
she she picked out this snake andit was a leopard snake, and unfortunately,
I feel like the guy robbed her. It was like an old breeder
snake in my opinion, and Idon't have any clue how old it was.

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But she wanted that snake. Shenamed it Shadow, and she took
care of that snake and then itgot out once and she was all freaked
out and then we found it,and but she she loved that snake.
And then she called me one dayand she was bawling, crying, and

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she was like, I killed Shadow. I'm like what. I'm at work
and I'm like, are you what? I killed Shadow? And I'm like,
what do you mean if you's thatbooming? And Carly had this biggest
heart and she was devastated. Andin my mind, I'm like, you

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didn't kill this snake. This dudesold you an old snake. And because
she didn't kill it, I meanit was a very healthy, it had
all the right stuff snake. AndI'm just like, oh no, she
was destroyed. And she also hada cat, Tiger, who we still
have, who's almost he'll be nineteenOctober twenty six. No, he's old.

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And Carly would say to me whenTiger goes, I'm gonna have three
weeks. I'm taking three weeks offof work and I'm going to just sit
and yeah, don't even talk tome. Like we all wondered, how
is Carly going to handle Tiger?When he goes because his tiger sister Angel
did go before, but that wasmore sister's cat. Oh anyway, So

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yeah, so so parents, there'sa lot of good pets out there,
and you know, hamsters and gerbilsare fun. But booh, you gotta
clean that cage all the time,Snakes, you do not, That's right.
So grief group. Back to groupand he says fears and this episode
should be called fears Overcoming Fears.Word of the day scared. Scared.

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So I'm sitting in grief group andnow I'm already like, well, wait
a minute, because they've brought ina couple juveniles and it's a little bit
of a trigger for me. Atfirst. By juveniles, you mean sixteen
juveniles, as in sixteen year oldscurrently in trouble in the system on street
release for whatever they did. Wedidn't get a warning. I'm sitting in

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this circle with adults. Just byhuman nature, a sixteen year old and
a fifteen year old are not goingto keep in circle. What's in circle?
I mean, that's just their brainis not there, and for the
most part, they're not gonna talkin front of a bunch of adults at
first, plus if there's other teensin the group that are less likely to

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talk around each other. So Ikind of was apprehensive to all of this,
and then it dictated what I wouldsay. Right. So we're sitting
there in this group and there's thesethese young boys around and we I don't
know if we had started yet orwe'd just started. And then all of

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a sudden, the door opens.And now remember these kids, it was
their first time doing this. Theywere just pass past past. They weren't
gonna talk. They were slumped downin their chair, like why am I
here? And the door slings opento the room and here comes in gear
in uniform, two or three policeofficers, two just walking in, you

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know, they just walk in andyou should have seen these kids facing whole.
I mean one was like ready,like his leg sitting on a chair.
He was like leg spread ready tojust bolt out, like looking for
the back door. His face turnedfrom like just almost like like teenager kid
like to that trouble like that face. It was. It was night and

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day. It was like a curtainand they were freaked out because Miss Lisa
had a friend coming and didn't tellanybody. No, I did say something.
I said something to the director.He did not say something to you,
no, Lord, And I thoughtmaybe Lisa would pass that on to
me, her plan, her ideain passing one day. Nope, and

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because I was like, wow,what are they in here for? That's
weird? Are they looking for oneof these kids? And who? There
was a whole thing out in theadult grief group while Lisa was having fun
inside with the kids making them unscaredof police, which worked for her,
worked amazing. I don't know howit worked for the teenage. So when

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they came in, well, whenI talked to them, they said,
oh, well, you know,should we just come in and like regular
clothes? I said no, Isaid, I need you to come in
in your full gear, ready towork, because the fact that the matter
is here, like we need tolive in reality. The reality is that

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if one of these children should haveto call nine to one one that you're
not going to show up in apair of sweatpants and a T shirt with
a big smile on your face.You're going to show up dressed, ready
for work and fully armed. That'swhat they need to see. That is
the image that they are scared of, which, by the way, they
used to do this in school withus DARE program, right, And now
I'm understanding, is it right thatDARE is no longer a thing. I

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don't think they bring police into schools, which is they have a T shirt.
Yeah, and the I think theyhave officers in the schools. I
think they're called their resource resource.So it's not the see them. But
aren't they in not in unif arethey in uniform? Don't they're in uniform?
Yes? Okay, so but it'snot the dear program, right,

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And so they please bring that backops and public school system because especially in
inner city, you know, wehad even our security guards in high school,
like we were buddies with them.Like I still talk to one Charles.
He was awesome. I mean i'dbe He'd be like, Amber,
where are you going going out outsideget some air. He's like, no,
You're going back to class. He'slike, well no, because they

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knew I wasn't troubled. He waslike, okay whatever, but they were,
you know, but they it's arelationship, right, And that's what
you were trying to get started,that there is a relationship established trust and
you don't have to be scared todeath of police. They are. It
is called protect and serve, which, by the way, one time when

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I was intoxicated, I told thepolice officer, your job is to protect
and serve me. You need toserve me home to serve you. Right
in, he serves me home.He helped me home. Anyway, go
ahead. Kids don't know. Soyou know, I knew that they were
coming. We were at the wordof the day is scared, and you

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had the uniform police officers come intothe grief group. Yes, so the
kids knew that I was going tohave a guest there. I had already
told a director. He unfortunately didn'trelate to the adult group. No,
and Lisa does like to tease thekids like I have a special friend.
It's a snake. I have aspecial friend. Oh it's a police officer.

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Yeah, I'm not gonna like yourspecial friends anymore. So I told
him. I said, well,I have some great news and they're like,
what what I'm like, I havea special friend coming today. And
they said, oh, are youbringing your chickens, because yeah, I
have other pets at home and everything. Oh, I'm not bringing the chickens,
Like, oh, you're bringing Claireagain. No, I'm not bringing
Claire, and then it was whoare you bringing? Do we know them?

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Is it a person? I said, yes, it is a and
they said is it Amber? Like, no, it's not Amber. Clearly
they haven't caught onto her boogeyman plan, and so they're like, oh,
is it? Is it someone weknow? Like, oh, it's someone
we know, you know them,and they were so excited. So I
said to them, I'm like,I am gonna go out and get them.
When they get here, they're gonnamessage me, and I need for

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everyone to be quiet and remain seatedand do not get up. And they're
like okay. So you know,the message comes in that they're there like,
well, our friends are here,and they're like, I mean,
just giddy in their seats and they'rejust like, oh, who is it?
We can't wait. I'm like,okay, I'm gonna be right back.
Nobody get up, So I leave. Go wait, you leave to
a way off room. If yourecall when you came out to that room,

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what did that look like? Andthe adult group was in their freaking
hours, crying going on to theadult group and I'm like, oh,
man, crying and there's teenagers missing, and so I go outside, I
get the two officers that came andwe come downstairs, and I mean the
adult group when they saw me walkin with these two officers, I mean,

(35:05):
it just went quiet and there werefaces that were looking shocked, and
I said, don't worry. Youknow when we kind of just walked into
the conference room with the kids.So walk into the conference room with the
kids that are seated in there,and I opened the door and I said,
this is you know, these aretwo officers that I have or our
friends were going to be here withus today. Could have heard a pin

(35:29):
drop and it is never that quietin there ever. Chair No, everybody
was you know what I chair becauseBoss Lisa said, do not get up,
that's right, made myself known andclear, we do not get up
like you stay seated, and theydid. But we walked in there,

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and I mean, you could haveheard a pin drop. So my idea
was to actually have the officers sitwith the kids. So I made space
on both sides of the table andthey sat down with the kids. And
we had one child that was makingall kind of rude noises. He said,
oh, I can't believe this.Oh I don't want to be oh
and I'm like, you know what, like if you did this to me

(36:13):
at your house, I would leavebecause it's rude, like please pay attention,
you know. And he just didn'twant to. And they had their
minds made up and nobody was talking. It was quiet, quiet, quiet
in there. So I said,okay, let's start with this. So
we had our introductions and then Isaid, by a show of hands,
I want anyone in here who's afraidof police officers to raise their hand.

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The whole group raises their hand.He said, okay, well, we
made a list last week of thingsthat we were afraid of. I said,
so I would like to read thatlist to the officers, and I
said, nobody's name is attached toit, and do not point fingers as
I say, right, you know. So I went through the whole entire
list of you know, I'm afraidof being shot at, I'm afraid of
being arrested, I'm afraid of beingbeat up. I'm afraid of bather grenades.

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Okay, I mean, we goteverything. And I said, this
is our list of things that weare afraid of. And this is why
I invited you here, because Iwould like for you to be able to
talk to us about some of thesethings. Were the officers shocked or were
they like, oh, yeah,grenades would get that all the time.
No, they're pretty surprised that.I mean, I guess they were surprised
to an extent. Right, that'sprobably a better way of putting it.

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And so they were able to kindof go through and talk about being a
police officer and you know some ofthe things that they see, and you
know, are there bad police officers, yes, but not all police officers
are bad, right, And youdon't need to be scared. You know,
we are here to did you havea clown come out with the word

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scared? I shouldn't. You shouldhave got to bring your buddy to the
clown to How many of those kidsare scared of clowns? I don't know.
I didn't get the next session.That's the next time. That's after
gardening gardening in the circle. Butyou know, we talked about what it
means to be a police officer,you know in Omaha, and you know

(38:07):
how they feel about the community andthe things that they see, and you
know how they want to help andhumanized police. Yes, I did eleven
eleven folks. It's not actually thattime, but it popped up on this
old clock just so you know.But by the end of that session,
we had changed the tone in theroom, so the conversation was starting to

(38:29):
flow. There were some funny commentsmade. I know one of the kids,
you know, they started to askquestions. And then one of the
kids that was very reluctant to evenwant to be there, he had a
question. He's like, I havea question I really want to ask.
I'm like, okay, you know, these kids are ten, eleven,
twelve years old, so you knowwhat they say is very POLITI right,

(38:50):
no filter, and his question thingskids say or those kids say that aren't
just things. Oh yeah yeah.So he says, well, I have
a question. I say, okay, go ahead to ask your question.
He goes, why is it thatyou have to be bald in order to
be a police officer? Like,what, that's your question? Wait,
we should look that up on thewebsite for prerequisites to signing up for Police

(39:12):
Academy women. I mean, itwas just so funny because both of these
officers just happened to be bald.I'm like, oh, my goodness,
by choice and you know, soI don't think by choice, no,
so they were older. But itwas so funny, and you know,
the response was, well, youknow, some people are graced with beautiful

(39:35):
heads of hair. He's like,we are not, but there are police
officers that have hair. It's justit was just so funny, and you
know, that helped to humanize thesituation too. So by the end we
took another poll and I said,you know, I've never seen any police
officers with dreadlocks. I haven't either, doesn't mean they don't exist. Made

(39:58):
fine, one send us a picture. But by the end of the session
we had another another poll and Isaid, okay, who here is still
afraid of police officers? And nobodyraised their hand. And I said,
who here would go up to thesepolice officers and shake their hand if they
saw them in the street. Everybodyraises their hand. Great, amazing,

(40:19):
wonderful. Now fast forward we goto this. They had that opportunity they
did, so fast forward to theparade. The I forget which parade it
was. Was that the Native Americanparade that you thought was Native? Yeah,
the Native thought it was Indigenous name. I thought it was Indigenous,

(40:40):
which, hey, common mistake.I'm sure I'm not from here. It
was Native, not Native American.We just automatically put Native American behind it.
But I think it was called theNative Parade nor Native Days. Nobody
told me that. They just saidthe Native Parade. Said oh wow,

(41:00):
you have a Native parade. That'sso cool, right, can't wait to
go? But hey, anyway,So now I end up marching in this
Native parade with some of the kids. And I had told them that these
officers would be at this parade.So now they held me to this because
I gave them. And there musthave been one hundred police officers on this

(41:22):
route. If not, now we'replaying whereficer? Now we're playing where's Walda?
With police officers. So as we'rewalking down this route, mind you,
was also hot outside, and we'rebehind the drag queen flute at the
Native parade, the dragon at theNative Parade. Okay, And every time

(41:43):
the kids saw a police officer,they couldn't wait to go hand them a
sticker. They weren't even handing stickersthat we had to, like, you
know, the kids and you knowthe adults on the parade. Hold on
a second, did these kids haveanything to say about drag queens? Let
me, did they know what theyare. There was a question about what
someone was wearing. Okay, now, I'm just other than that. Is
this common knowledge or they're not scaredof them? Obviously, No, they

(42:07):
didn't see something. They didn't seemscared. They just asked me why the
one was wearing a choice of underwear. Oh lord, that was exposed.
What was your answer to that?I said, because that's what they feel
comfortable wearing it up. We're nothere to judge own it, wear it
own. It was a dance theirway down, and I was kind of
happy that they were there because theywere playing really good music, so that

(42:29):
was okay with me. Yes,I was. You know, I've been
approached before at I've been to theMax, and I've been to other clubs
that were considered gay bars. Iguess, at least that's what they were
called back in the day. Idon't know what they're called now. I
used to be approached because I amvery tall, as was Carly. Carl

(42:51):
was taller than me, and Iwould wear big old boots and big heels.
I've been mistaken for one. Imean, I don't know if it's
the high thing, but I didn'tthink I looked like a queen. But
anyway, we had fun. Wehad fun, and these kids they were,
you know, where is this officer? You said that he was gonna

(43:13):
be here. I'm like, Iknow, he's here somewhere. And at
this point, I'm kids don't havebeen walking in Every two seconds when they
see a police officer, they runover there, give the police officer a
sticker from our organization. And they'reso excited to do this. And like
you said, he was gonna behere, where is he? And he's
here somewhere. Now hold on,though, I'm gonna give you credit,

(43:34):
even though it may not be true, because you could have just texted these
officers and said which legg are youon? But in the meantime, they're
going up to other officers they've nevermet, yes, and giving stickers.
Yes. So I'm going to tellyou that was by design, even though
it may not have been, butthat is brilliant. I told them there
will be a lot of police officershere and if you see a police officer,

(43:55):
you should not feel scared to goup to that. And they said,
can we give them stickers? Yes, you may go, And they
gave every single police officer on thatroute a sticker, every single one like
it was a fight at times.No, I want to give him a
sticker. No, I want togive him a sticker. I said,
you know there's lots of kids aroundhere too that you can give stickers too.

(44:16):
We don't just need to get thediscriminating you're yeah, no kidding,
right. It went from one extremeright to the other. So finally at
the very very very end of theparade route, there was one officer at
the very end directing traffic, youknow, to go one way or the
other. And that was our officerat the end, the very last officer.

(44:38):
Again, Lisa way to plan that. Did they have a sticker left?
They did, and she went itwas one of the little ones.
She went, ran all the wayaround and she's like, I want to
give him a sticker, okay,And she ran all the way around and
gave him a sticker. Did theyall go plaster stickers on them or just
hand them to them? That'd havebeen like slapping them both. Make sure

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you wear this sticker, hey,I want to do that, Carly.
Any businesses out there that want topost a Carly sticker in their window that
reminds people that we're still looking forpeople who are responsible in that shooting.
We want that sticker on the door, and uh to support, to support
Carly and the empowerment of young girlsbeing independent. Yeah, so I want

(45:22):
those stickers out. Can I comeslap one on your door? Don't ask,
just do it, you know,just like your work truck. Yeah
uh yeah. So so now,needless to say, these children will not
fear officers. No, And weactually talked about police officers many times after
that, because it's not enough tojust do something, you have to keep

(45:45):
it going and change the mindset.I don't want them to be afraid of
police officers. I want them tofeel empowered to pick up that phone and
call nine to one one and trustthat these officers are going to come and
help them. Right. And that'swhat they probably explained was their job is
that it's our job isn't to runaround and scare you. Our job is
to help you, protect and serve. And I think the Omaha Police Department,

(46:10):
in my experience thus far, hasdone a good job and in fact
that I believe their track record asfar as homicide homicide solving, I don't
know what the data title is called, but solving cases is pretty high.
Like in the nineties. It isnow part of Karly's case is solved,

(46:36):
which to some people may be okay, but not to me. So it's
it's still open. We still needpeople to speak up. We still need
witnesses to speak up. There's stilla twenty five thousand dollars crime Stoppers reward,
and I have have a private donorfor a fifty thousand dollars reward for

(47:00):
information that leads to the rest ofthe guilty parties being convicted. That one
has not been put out tadah hereit is has not been put out I
guess really prominently yet because I haveto get the parameters of it set with

(47:21):
the attorney on exactly how that isand how it's paid out and all that.
But again, Crimestoppers is anonymous,folks. I went through this whole
system because I was told that peoplethey don't feel like it's anonymous and they're
gonna find you out. No.I questioned them on it. I went
to the Douglas County Commissioners, Iwent to the detectives, and I went

(47:42):
to the police chief. It literallyis nothing that's run by the police here,
and it is anonymous number and itis a third party and it goes
to Canada, so your number isnever attached to your name. It's very
interesting, but there are a lotof other homicides too that could have easily

(48:04):
been solved if witnesses would speak up. So you know, we may bring
some of those moms in here,because it's pretty it's pretty sad when you
see something so awful that, nomatter what religion you believe in. I'm
pretty sure blatantly shooting someone or killingsomeone is bad for most most religions would

(48:29):
say that, and that people don'tspeak up against it. I mean,
it's literally wrong, and you don'tspeak up against it. And I I've
even done my research on the retaliationand the and the witness retaliation, and
it's pretty minimal. I'll bring someonein here that can tell you all those

(48:51):
details. It doesn't happen a lotnow. Intimidation happens, I'm sure.
But that said, I haven't,I haven't been in it, I haven't
lived in it. But I alsomy first instinct is to speak up against
someone doing something wrong. It's nodifferent than bullying. It's just on a
way larger scale. Wouldn't you say, yeah, I mean I've been bullied

(49:14):
before. My daughter was bullied.Carly was bullied, and the actual bully
ended up being her best friend,absolute ride or die best friend. And
it's again it sounds cliche, butyou have to go to the source.

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And I'm my hands are tight.I can't go to the sources. I
mean, there's laws and there's butas a mother, if someone's bullying your
kid, you go to that personand you handle it, or you go
to that person's parents and you addressit and say what is going on here?
Blah blah blah. And the schooldid that. I had to go
up there. They even called thecops on Carly's bully, and I had

(49:58):
to go up that. I gota phone call and I had to go
up up and they had called inthe cops for whatever bullying was going on
with her. And this is acompletely helpless type of bullying. But as
far as your community and your safetyof your children and your home, you

(50:20):
can stand up for that. AmI wrong? No, you're not.
You know. I think part ofit too is, you know, some
of these people, they don't comefrom a whole lot. They don't And
you're looking at twenty five thousand dollarsfrom crime stoppers. You're looking at fifty
thousand dollars from a private owner.That's a whole lot to get you.
You can start over, right,you can come clean, say what you

(50:45):
need to say. And can youimagine the weight that's on your shoulders carrying
that around? I honestly would liketo get some witnesses in here that have
been witnesses of another crime who didn'tspeak up and then maybe did later,
or who know of something but theyare still not willing to testify in cord
or whatever it is, because theyhave to have they have to be haunted.

(51:06):
They have to be if you're nota human that night, if you
are human, in my opinion,if you're human, you're going to be
haunted by some of what you've seenexperienced. Seeing Carly lay there on the
floor, that is a gasmatic experience. I mean, I put it in
my head and I'm traumatized, andsaying nothing does not You're just you're just

(51:29):
building generational trauma in yourself. Sonow you've experienced these things, you've seen
it. Maybe sometimes they're desensitized toit, but when you have kids,
guess what you're gonna be doing tothose kids, right. I don't know
that you could be desensitized having tobe covered in the blood of a friend
that's dying. Truth. You know, Now, maybe the shooters are desensitized.

(51:53):
Maybe the shooters are, but ofsomeone who was shot or killed and
died to be incredibly traumatic, orsomeone whose life you tried to save,
who's life slipped right out of yourhands. Who would have who would have
been first in line to help youand speak up for you? Carly.

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Carly stood up at four people allthe time. She was really tall.
She stood out and she stood up. And that's what we've been saying from
the beginning. We ask that youstand up. It's time to stand up
for Carly Rain now. And howpeople who were there and saw this,
of this girl who wasn't causing anytrouble, who wasn't in any gangs,

(52:34):
who wasn't even the ones that didn'tknow her. I mean, it's worse
when you call her friend, orcall her sister, or call her all
these things, But it's worse whenit's your quote unquote friend. And she
came there because people invited her,and those people aren't helping. But what
about the bystanders? Yeah, youknow, there's a lot of people in

(52:55):
that room, and there's bystanders.There's what sixty people in that room more
more I mean, I mean that'sa lot of people. That's a lot
of people for no one to sayanything. And it just shows the power
that these people are giving these gangmembers. They wouldn't have that power,
right if they weren't given it,the power of the boogeyman. You know.
So at what point do you finallysay to yourself, I can no

(53:19):
longer sleep at night. I havethese haunting images of this person, you
know, in my head, bleedingand dying. And I didn't do anything.
I didn't say anything I could have. You know, maybe I couldn't
stop it, but I can sureput a clothes to this. Well.
Somebody has to feel guilty for eveninviting her there where she gets killed.
This is a girl who did notever go to after hours parties. You

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heard it over and over again frompeople she worked with, from her best
friends, from her family. Sheworked, and she went home and she
worked again because she had goals andshe had plans, and they invited her
to this party, amongst other afterhours parties that she had never gone to
before. So you invite her,she shows up for you. She shows

(54:05):
up for you, and then youdon't show up for her. She loses
her life after coming to visit someonefor ten fifteen minutes, that's all that
she was there. She walks inthe door, says, hello, whatever,
just here for a minute. Whatever. She says, I don't know.
Hopefully someday I'll know, and sheloses her life. Poof gone.

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This girl that they call a battie, this girl they call the bad bitch,
This girl they call that girl.And you know why she was that
girl because Carly One stayed in herlane. She focused on a future.
She was kind to everybody. Thatgirl shared food all the time. She

(54:50):
brought in crumbled cookies. She atTarget, they had the chocolate milk every
morning. That was her thing.Well, she exuded confident and she was
independent and confident, and she ownedherself and who she was, and she
encouraged others to do the same.She saved many lives. Actually, imagine
what Carly could have done. Imean she was just getting started. Imagine

(55:15):
what she was gonna do. Imean, the the the independence she had
at that young of an age.It's you know, I wish I would
have had that, because I wentthrough a whole lot of life worrying about
what other people thought, and Istill do to some point. And Carly
just made a decision one day,Nope, I'm gonna I'm gonna make my

(55:35):
own happiness and I'm in drama.When it came to drama, I mean,
you didn't. You didn't, youdidn't get to be around her.
But when it came to drama,she used to. She had this way
of shutting drama down that was reallyeffective, like and it wasn't insulting.
And sometimes she would say, likeI'd make a comment or a judgment about
something and she'd be like, don't. She'd be like, don't judge.

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That's not your business. It's notit's not your I don't know. She
well, that does shut it downright away. Yeah, And she used
to say that to herself. She'slike, well, that's not my problem,
that's not my business. And she'salso an intimidating person to look at.
You know, she is really reallytall, you know, and she
can tower over you and just say, you know, it's not your business,

(56:21):
and you're gonna cower down and belike oh okay. And yet and
yet she wasn't intimidating, Like Iget that. Like people say, well,
you're intimidating, and I finally,in the last two years, have
said, well, no, you'reintimidated, right, I'm not intimidating.
I'm just very straightforward. And youhave a presence about you. Yeah,
And she had that presence about her, and she did. And and yet

(56:44):
she had all these people looking upto her and wanting things that she said
or things that she did. Shewould she would expose people to things.
She would. You know, herfriends that weren't into music, Carly was
so into music and she be like, this playlist is for you and you
need to hear it. And herfriends will testify that. Man, she

(57:05):
she knew what you needed before youdid. And you know she helped She
was helping a guy at work learna language, a Spanish for her fiance.
She told me, And I waslike, and when Carly told me
things, I was always like,yep, and maybe I should have been
a little bit more. Wow,that's so awesome, Carly, because I'm
not I'm not good at that.I'm I was a very being a single

(57:28):
mom. I had to choose tobe the more of the father figure.
It wasn't like best friends with them, but so I guess I wasn't a
good cheerleader. I was there allthe time, but I mean I I
told them good job, and Irewarded them. You know, there's there,

(57:50):
there's a whole other episode. Butit's gonna be hard to play every
role right, and and it's Iused to call them oh Carley moments,
and it was like, oh Carley, and I have lots of O Carly
moments. And you know, aftergood report cards and good parent teacher conferences,
it was carl always wanted food man. That girl wanted food cookies,

(58:10):
so we went to Eileen's cookies.And but the effects she had on people
to the point where people are puttingtattoos of her signature on them and she
no, no, maybe five months, maybe it could be wrong on the
on the date, but not verylong. I'm sure no one wants to
put my name on their body.I don't have Well, she just had

(58:36):
a lot of light. There wasa presence to her, and like I
feel like people wanted a piece ofthat light just to know her or talk
to her and just feel a littlebit of that exactly, No matter where
you were from h and Carly hadaway. She was very helpful, she
was kind, and she fit inwhere she needed to get in. I

(59:00):
mean, I didn't have a lotof clicks in high school and all that.
I have friends from all over theplace. But Carly she was accepted,
She was accepted, and yet thepeople that accepted her and that she
trusted won't come speak up for her. Why aren't they mad? Tell me

(59:20):
that? Why aren't they Why aren'tthey pissed off that this girl finally comes
out to hang out who never does? And they're not pissed off because some
random jerk who can't hit what he'strying to hit opens fire and not only
puts kills her, but puts theirlife in danger. Why aren't people pissed

(59:42):
about this? I don't understand.I think they're pissed. I think they're
scared, though, but at somepoint that's scared has to go out the
window. We need to recognize thatyou're allowing scared to dictate what you do
and how you live and how youlive your life. It goes back to
the kids with a snake. Youknow you're scared, and you don't need

(01:00:05):
to be. Maybe as scared asyou are. And I think it comes
back to that. And yes,there's power in numbers, and the more
people that speak up and go againstthat, the less power those other people
have. You've ever seen? Uh? And according to police and other people
in the community and people from thatcommunity, Uh, it is a small

(01:00:30):
group of the same it's a smallgroup of the same people. It's a
core. It's a core group ofthe same guys doing stuff, is what
I'm told. So, which makessense if you have four times felons out
on the streets, so then whyis it more being done? Because witnesses

(01:00:51):
want well, you know, theseguys being out on pre chow released though
and being convicted felons and you know, repeat fenders. And that's a question,
you know, and why why arethese people still allowed to be out
there and wreak havoc in the community? Why are they allowed to go out
there and create chaos in the homesof other people. We have asked that

(01:01:15):
question, you know, and there'sno answer. That's part of the problem.
No, it's pretty dismissive the answerI got because I did go ask
that question to the county board.I did many times, and a couple
of the commissioners actually made it veryfeel very dismissive of Carly's death. Others
did not. Others were compassionate aboutit. And but not even just of

(01:01:38):
Carly's death, just in general.I know, but that's my experience.
Why are these people still out thereliterally terrorizing the community. But that's what
I had to ask Lisa in thename of Carly, because that's my experience,
and that is exactly what I gotis blame game. It's oh,
well, it's corrections, and thensays it's the state. And then the

(01:02:01):
county board says, it's oh thestate laws. No. See the county
board runs corrections. See I cantrace it back. The county board runs
corrections. Who created the pre trivelicepolicy. That's what's allowing these guys to
be out right? There is nostate law. And if there is,
someone please correct me that says fourtime violent offenders are eligible to be out.

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Well, they said that there wasthat that scale that they used at
numbered scale. Oh the scale,No, so okay, we have a
number scale. Who decides where youare on that scale? Who makes that
choice? That would be corrections andprobation. Actually it was I think a
third party company who I'm probably gettingpaid. But here's the thing. They're

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gonna say, Oh, well,but then they could just bail out and
then we wouldn't have any way totrack them. This is the other excuse
I got. Well, then thatfalls on who makes the bail amounts.
Isn't that the judge? The judge? So in Carly's case, uh,

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judge. See, judges are humans, so that that right there is kind
of a you're stuck, right,because even if I say anything about a
judge, it could piss one judgeoff and then they're like, oh,
well, screw her, We're gonnalet this guy out or whatever you know
does they're human. But the problemthat I see with judges is one you

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vote on judges, correct, Youvote them in and you vote them out.
However, everyone says be educated whenyou vote. How can you be
educated on a judge? You can't. There is no report card for us
to go look at that says thisjudge does this for this, this judge
in this homicide case, let thisrepeat violent offender out for fifteen thousand dollars,

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this judge. You know, there'sno place to educate yourself on a
judge. Now if you're gonna gosit in a courtroom every single day and
follow judges, then yeah, youcan educate yourself. Who can do that?
Realistically? Not realistically anyway? Yeah, So you can follow an attorney
has a report card, right,you can get their wins losses. You

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can see on most politicians what theirstances on things. But then the follow
up on what they're actually doing whilethey're in office. There isn't anything for
that, and we need it.And a Douglas County commissioner, a city
council member, how are you gonnaknow which way they're voting? I mean,
they can call themselves Republican, theycan call themselves democrat, but are

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they doing Are they doing what theirparty or what you as a voter would
align with. I would say thereare some that are not. They're way
opposite and that is the problem.So in our case with Carly, one

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of the guys who ended up beingarrested for her murder, the judge said
a high bond right, meaning heain't getting out right, and they took
it to another judge and this otherjudge dropped it by seventy five thousand dollars,

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enabling him to get out. Now, does that judge have to answer
for anything? Absolutely not? Shouldthey? Yeah, give us a reason?
What is the reason? Well,I would like to know why he's
able to override another judge's decision becauseapparently the criminal has until proven guilty,
they can appeal. They can appeala bond every twenty four hours. There's

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your tax dollars at work, ladiesand gentlemen, every twenty four hours,
not three days, not seventy twohours, not No, every twenty four
hours. Does it actually happen thatthere's an opening with a gay scene.
I don't know. I don't think. So we'll have to bring in an
expert on that. This is againjust what my experiences and what I've been
told. So this judge who reducedthe bond by seventy five thousand dollars enabling

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them to get out on bond andbe free before the murder charge came down,
allowed them to be out on thestreets now, so they were on
pre trial release. Now. Ithink that judge, I don't know if
it's that judge of the previous judgewho put a high bond on had put

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on a GPS monitor luckily, andluckily he kept it on because again,
what are we saying with juveniles?They cut them off right, They don't
care. It's just like felons.People. Felons don't care about the felon

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law of you can't have a gun. An ill intended felon who intends to
harm people doesn't care about the lawand doesn't Oh I'm scared. A law
abiding citizen or a concealed carry persondoes care about the law. Those aren't
the people causing the havoc and killinginnocent people. So logic would tell me

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that someone who is a multi timeviolent offender would simply just not be eligible
for a street release, and wouldit would be a mandatory bond. Can
we get a mandatory bond or amandatory no bond? Let's do that.
You you if the charge is somethinglike murder, sorry, you gotta sit.

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You gotta sit now, maybe youcan be expedited to a faster trial.
But you're sitting in the name ofpublic safety. Well, hey,
they just put all this valuation increaseon everybody, you know, So we're
paying a lot more tax dollars.So we've got the money. Oh you
mean in property taxes? Yeah,Oh, I don't know. Does that
fall under county. Well it wouldbecause corrections, But then Corrections is going

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to say, well, that's astate policy. Again, these entities don't
speak non logical, right, Theyin fact argue. I mean, how
sad is it that we even seenour national politicians. We've seen the arguing
go down at the three sixty meetings. Like you know, I've watched some

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organizations hold other organizations responsible for certainthings that have happened, and I've I've
watched some people really really crucify somepeople at that three sixty meeting, holding
them accountable for things that really arebeyond their control. But then no answer
happens, Right, there's no answer. It's it's slashing out and then no
one responds and nothing gets fixed.And that is my problem. You know,

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an outsider came to the city andmade a comment, and you you
can speak about outside policies because you'velived in other states and made a comment
like, Okay, I've seen this, this three sixty group, and where's
the community in here where I meanthey're people, yes, but they all

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ninety percent of them, which isprobably being a little bit lenient, have
some sort of stake monetarily, liketheir their nonprofit or their group, or
they're getting paid to help. Where'sthe actual community, like, where's the

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like the hard community aspect? Yeah, where's that? Well not even see
where's the neighbor? You know whybecause it's the middle of the day.
Well, yeah that too. Imean, look how hard it's been too.
I had to completely revamp my businessin order to make when today's work
right for three sixty and for andyou have the luxury of that because you
own your own business. Because I'mself complane. The average person can't do

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that, can't do that. SoI suggested once in three sixty. Also,
I've I've suggested it's not just threesixty. I've suggested to the city
council and I've suggested to the commissioners. Why is there not a meeting in
the evening that people could attend,like a community forum. So once so,

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run your run, your nine o'clockam one County Board, run your
Wednesday two o'clock, three sixty.But you still need to hear from that
community, not just the ones thatare being paid to be there and that
can get there in the middle ofthe day and they don't open it up
to zoom. Now, the DouglasCounty Board does have it on zoom,
right, I think the city councildoes too. Three sixty is not on

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zoom. No, it's not,and I think it would be best if
it was, And so people theyI just noticed it, and now it's
going Why not have one once amonth or every other month to where people

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can't that work during the day,like a meeting at six pm or so,
at least to hear their voice,because I think it's worth trying,
and heaven forbid you hear from theactual neighbors and citizens that these shots are
being fired in their neighborhood on aregular and what they need. What do

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witnesses need to speak up? Canwe do that? Can we do some
sort of log in anonymous witness protectionzoom so that people can say what they
need in order to help police.You know, it's it's crazy because I've
taken some of these kids to theirhomes late at night or and by late
I mean nine ten o'clock at night. And one of the things that I

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noticed on some of the streets there'sno street lights. It's pitch black.
There you go, there's so onone of the streets, one of the
neighbors a few houses down across thestreet had floodlights all the way around their
house. So when you turn ontothat street, the only thing that you
could see is that house. Everythingelse pitch black. Now, I wonder

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if the house number can't see anything. I wonder if that is like they
put street lights in and then theybust them. No, there's no street
lights at all, So there's justno pole. There's no pole, Okay,
So why so that would be thecommunity or someone who lives on that
street go hey, I kind ofneed a light over here. Even if
I got a ring camera, it'snot gonna work that well. I mean

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hearing from the community that way,because a lot of let's be real,
a lot of the people in thatcommunity one are too tired after working one,
two, three jobs, or don'tknow that they can write in or
where to find to write into somebody. And then where does that go?
Because my experience, if I wroteinto the mayor doesn't get answered. So

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do they even know where to go? I don't know. And you know,
I don't know if that's another maybelike a community watch type thing where
people of the community can voice youropinions. Well, there is a lady
that goes into I noticed two peoplein three sixty. There was one I
don't know her name. I apologize, but she has a neighborhood watch association

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type deal where she wants more neighborhoodpeople to get a little neighborhood association going.
I've seen a guy come in whohad an association in his neighborhood and
he was asking for help from thepolice on how to da da Da Da
da. The next door app I'msure is huge for people, but again,

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we need to know what it's goingto take for people to be up
when things like this happen, right, And clearly they are not trusted in
crime Stoppers, So I don't know. You know, crime Stoppers is anonymous,
I know, but you know,so I don't there need to be
another anonymous tip line. I justdon't get it. I mean, you

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can call in and you can speakanonymously, and I understand that. You
know, for conviction, there needsto be evidence and there needs to be
testimony testimony, right, you know, maybe after taking that first step of
actually calling in, But what isyour mental health worth too? Back to

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witnesses, right, well, doyou really want to live with that on
your conscience? Right, what isNothing is going to fix that. Nothing
is going to fix the fact thatyou would not speak up for someone who
is shot in front of you.Like you can bury it, you can
pretend, you can go drink,you can do it's all going to catch
up and therapy may help, butyou're still gonna know in the back of

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your mind that you didn't do.Now, now, there was I think
a couple of people that may havebeen more cooperative. Their consciousness, their
conscience is free in the fact thatthey said what they knew. Maybe it
didn't help, maybe it did.It didn't bring Carly back, but they
helped where they could. They don'thave to go to bed at night like

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mad that they didn't help or setor haunted by it. They may be
haunted by other things in the experience, but that can be worked out through
through some therapy and some counseling,because they're not hiding anything right, right,
I mean, it's the keeping thingsinside and the knowing what's wrong and

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right and not picking the right sidethat will haunt you, you know,
And maybe it's therapy that they needto come to the conclusion that they're not
going to sleep that night until theytalk, and karma to most people is
real. So what would the karmabe I mean, or what goes around

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comes around? All that not goodthings happen if your conscience isn't clear.
I mean, I don't know whatI think of karma because I've seen a
lot of people do a lot ofbad things and then I'd never see them
pay for it. But many peoplebelieve in karma. Taylor Swift believes in
karma. She's Karma is her friend. Karma is her best friend, apparently,

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And in the words of Travis Gulci, all right now, yeah,
so anyway, let's wrap this up. Thank you for listening to our rambles,
and I hope that if you haveany stories, if you have questions,
if you want to know more aboutCarly, which we want you to

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know. Carli was inspirational to manypeople. Carli rain dot com k A
R L y R A I Mdot com Again, don't call me,
I trust yet I've been called downto mondies, no been pushed. Why

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passed the pull out? Break inbut now can't check it. I'll be
back back one. This is farfrom over. You haven't seen the last
meet This is fall from love.We haven't seven last of me