PT 2 OPOA leaders speak- Courtroom Shenanigans, Simple Solutions & Donation Challenge

Part 2 of our meeting with Tony Conners and Dan Martin from the Omaha Police Officer's Association. THeir reaction to a courtroom attack, juvenile justice issues and more. Please share this and like

Episode Transcript

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Dowlut, I'll get up again.Don't call me jose N. Show you
how Carly rain matters. A journeyof topics through the grief, loss,

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and tragic death of Carl Rainwood.The matter of Carl Rainwood is still an
open investigation and witnesses are asked tocome forward. There is still a twenty
five thousand dollars reward through crime Stoppers. Please help us find all those involved
who shot Carly rain Would and thankyou for coming back and joining us again

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for part two of our sit downwith Tony Connors and Dan Martin from the
Omaha Police Officers Association. I reallyappreciate you guys being here, and this
is our part to sit down,and I want to show you something that
I came across. Okay, Iam going to show you guys a short

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video that I came across today.It is a current event that we will
discuss as soon as this loads.Great. I feel like this is coming
to a courtroom near us. Thisis in a Las Vegas courtroom. Ah,
I've seen this before. Yeah,I saw this yesterday. Insane.

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So to let everyone understand what's goingon in Las Vegas in a courtroom,
A defendant wasn't gonna get his wayafter saying that he did not you know,
he knew about his mental health andhe's all better now and et cetera,
et cetera. And then when thejudge decided uh to tell him he

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needed a little bit different look atthings right now because he's had chance after
chance to after chance and he isa repeat violent offender, he basically jumped
over the table and jumped over thejudge judge's bench and attacked the judge.
This is extremely triggering for me andwhat is all wrong with our system?

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So I encourage you to look itup. I'm gonna post it on.
It is posted now on Stand Upfor Carly Rain on Facebook. It is
posted on Remember Carly Rain on Facebook, and it will be on carlyrain dot
com when we get around to postingit up. But I wanted their reaction
and I have some questions reason whyjudge should not be pronounced at the time

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the vertypically if guilty here by ajudge of guilty of a tenth volume and
substantial bodily harm. My notes indicatedthe state retained the right argument through the
Benchmarn't is that correct? Yeah?All right. See yep, that's like
three thousand, uh the connection beforeI pronounce something. So basically I would

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like to tell courts in new oneyears like based on my criminal stream,
like I'll feel I'll feel that likeI shouldn't be like seek the prison for
a second time. Have you lookedat your criminal instry? Have you looked
at your criminal instry? I actuallyjust I looked at it when you lived

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at Yeah, and no pre felonyis a gross nine miss semeanors multiple dvs.
Got a lot going on, sir, Yeah, I I desperate battery
and a protected person, robberies,temptoem invasion. Go ahead, I tell

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me ten drug drugs system. II des fear like I don't how'ma there
place in my mind moment the wholeuh? I I have a support system.
I just got hired as a teacherfor you know, the Union for
Men tween doollars an hour and likethat at Leaston. In my everyally single

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domestic balence, I can dealing withmental help. And I didn't know that
I was dealing with mental help.And they put me a mental help or
and I still didn't know that Ihad a bunch of health problem until it
was August two thousand, betweenty two, and I realized I had a problem
with this and like have an additionaryand like understand myself being on myself.
And he goes on and on aboutit, I shouldn't go to jail,

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and I got a job, andthen tells her, I, if this
is what you gotta do, Iget it. I'm not violent, see
vision, but it was appropriate foryou. Then you have to do what
you have to do. But Ifigured that, n it's I'm in a
better place in my life. I'mnot going to as not you know,

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I'm not as for a three theseclients now, you know. And I
feel like I shoul to get inthe shot because I'm in a better place
than I was than you know.So, but that's I'm a I'm a
person who never stops trying to dothe right thing, no matter how hard.
And I I just you know,and I'm trying. I never pick

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up fund to do the right thing. I'm not, you know, I
don't as a rebellious person. I'mnot. It's not rebellious that SA waste
your clients with you know what.The criteria of what you're saying this is
that I'm a person that never stopstrying to the right things. You can
think it's hard, and I didthe best I have, thank you.

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And then his attorney tries to pleadfor him, but he needs to do
his ged still and all these things, and the judge decides this. So
you spoke about that as well,and I think it's that in courts a
trust that he is going to keepfor well on probation. I think he's
worth this risk for us the nineteenfour years and just about out the DA

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I have no wishes of that,but the suspended rather than just sending a
prison for at the time, Ithink it's mos saskiing circumstances and his ability
to do probation sincessibility that you didin something. I appreciate that, but
I think it's time that you geta taste of something else because I just
can't with that. Mystry in accordswith the logest stand ad is for he

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is on top of the judge atthis point he has jumped over the bench
and the court clerk has to jumpin and try and stop him as well.
Anywho' it's tough to watch. AndI saw that yesterday. It's so
this particular one is the actual courtroom one. It's not edited, and

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it goes on and they talk aboutyou know, everyone's screaming, fuck this
guy, and he's still in thecorner, and then the other inmates that
are sitting there waiting are acting up. It's it's triggering. And this this
is for me because I just wentthrough court with one of the guys.

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He isn't one that was charged withCarly's death. He was the only one
that wasn't a felon. He satup there and said he was sorry,
and he cried and he used tissuesand in a heartbeat, because he got
five years probation in a heartbeat,and that was tampering. That was lying

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to the cop over and over again, not cooperating with giving us the other
people, and he still only gotfive years probation. At any minute,
that guy could turn into someone thatlike that. This one's sitting here going,
oh, I'm mental health and Iand it makes me mad because mental

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health is a real thing, anda lot of these guys know the system,
so they want to cry mental health. And in fact, the guy
with Chris Gradville, you know,he's claiming insane. But this was so
triggering because one, it puts allthem sheriffs in danger who were in that

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courtroom, right, I don't knowwhy they don't they carry tasers, Like
wouldn't they have just tased him?Yeah, I don't know that they can
see if they have when or not, I don't know. But it also
depends on what you know, howclose you are. Some of that stuff
matters, okay you use And Ithought about that because I thought, well,
do they in our courtrooms do theycarry tasers? They're armed? But

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again, that guy was quick andhe's Superman over over there on a judge.
And it's the sad thing is thesejudges, these are the very people
they're helping, and they keep lettinghim out. And he had three chances
at mental health court and all thesechances, and then finally if someone wants

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to do what they should have donea long time ago and he attacks them,
there is no respect for law,There is no respect for anything.
There's no respect for even our president. It started. It started with Trump.
People just disrespected the office and nothim, but people disrespecting the president,

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the office of the president. Thatthat wasn't like it was when we
were younger, there was certain thingsoff limits. Just like with gangbangers,
there were certain things women and childrenwere off limits. There is no code
in anything anymore. Have you guys, how long have you been on the
force and how much and how quicklyhave you seen this turn? I've been

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on a course for twenty three anda half years. Dan's been on twenty
years, and yeah, we haveseen this change over the years. Or
where there was a cold, there'sbeen Back in the days, you talk
about women, children, it wasoff limits. You talk about families,
it was off limits. When youtalked about churches. I mean it was
off limits to burglarize the church andyou know, cause problems in churches.
But anymore, there's no respect anymore. The respect levels has has gone down

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drastically in this country. And wesee it in that example today that you
just showed us. I mean,that's that's the no respect for a judge
in court. You walk in court, that person holds your life in their
hands, and then act that way. I mean, certainly he's probably going
away for a long time now,which brings me to another issue that triggered
me. So after this they talkabout how now he's got six felon,

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more felony charges and a couple whatever. He refused to be transported from jail.
In our case, one of theguy, the guy who is charged
with shooting Carly. One day wewent in there and not only was it

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crazy what his attorney was asking forall these things going on, he refused
to come today. If you areowned by the county at that point,
while you are an inmate, howcan they even refuse to go anywhere?
Yeah, good question, and onceagain it fine, refused, but there's
consequences. There should be some heavyconsequences. And now, okay, you

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refuse to come, I'm gonna dowhat I want to do. When that
means give you the mac sentence.At that point, it shouldn't be a
question. We hadn't even gone toa trial for this one. Yeah,
yeah, but that's but that's mypoint. It's like, wait a minute,
you are an inmate. You cancall it slave. You lost some
certain rights and we control you now, So why didn't they force ably bring
that guy in and say here's it. Well, I think that when it

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comes to trying to force a personwho's just going to be does he need
to I agree, he needs tobe there. But is it worth the
officers getting hurt trying to fight him? Is it worth the corrections? Is
it worth you know, people gettingmad because the use of force looks bad

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because he's made that decision not tobe there, that's his decision. I
don't agree with it either, butit's very hard to force somebody that doesn't
want to be there there and ifhe chooses not to be there, that's
his fault. But it's hard taskto put on the deputies or to the
correction staff to say, okay,now fight this guy. Put yourself at

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risk him, yeah, to tryto get him to cover up. But
I agree as a victim, youwant to confront him that taxpayer dollars.
I agree. I think that youknow, if he wants to have a
trial and he wants to face thepeople that are he's he'll show up.
So because I'm sorry, sir,you have nothing better to do currently,

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it's frustrating for sure. Maybe that'ssomething we got to change. Maybe that's
something I need to propose into thestate legislature that because that's taxpayer money.
And if taxpayers all the people thatI've told, which is probably about forty,
they're like, what they can refuseto go. So what happened?
I My question is what happened then? What was the what was the actually

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hearing? It was? So itwasn't the actual trial. This was a
hearing that they had called the defenseand then they said inmate refused to transport.
So we all showed up. Peopletake off work, everybody goes.

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We're paying the county prosecutor, werepaying the judge. We're paying everybody to
be there. Yeah they yeah,Well that's my point. Yeah, so
there's got to be a consequence toHey, defense attorney, if your guy
don't come, then you forfeit.Yeah you lost everything? Sorry or yeah

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right, Yeah. They have toomany rights like that. I don't feel
like going today. Wow. Imean the victims have no and the and
the defendants have a right to aspeedy trial. What about the victims.
Yeah, if the defendants have aright to a speedy trial, that's six
months, the victims should have aright to a speedy trial that's within eighteen,

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that's within twelve. Because it's taxpayerdollars that get bent over. Well,
yeah, because the court appointed attorneyor whatever's got to make a bunch
of money and steal a bunch ofbillable hours because a lot of times,
in like with with Carly's case,there's multiple defendants and only the Public Defender's

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office can only represent one of them, and then everybody else gets conflicted out.
Yeah, so they have to payfor private attorneys. But again,
I don't know that that's the motive. It's something we can speculate on as
far as well motive. It justshouldn't be an option, right and if
and if it does happen, thereshould be a consequence, and the consequence

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should be remembered the next time thejudge sees them. Well, I will
say this, and this is thisis this is true. When it comes
to court, the judge will remember. I'm gonna telling you that for a
fact. The judge went, no, I don't know the judge in your
case. Uh, and so butI can tell you that judges will remember
those things. It's like you know, you we we try to you know,
your attorney's trying to propose whatever whatevercould have been in that in that

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in that case. But yeah,that the judges will remember. So I
do agree that the judges will everwill remember that. And now it's like
okay, now it's time for sentencing. I'll remember that you were uncooperat and
don't want to even show up,you know, when your attorney gets calling
in here and your life is onthe line. I feel like it should
be a mandatory penance of some sort. Yeah. I have sent a list

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of questions that we talked about tomy friend and PJ. Morgan, and
they are going to look into it. Hopefully they can get answers for us.
And the other thing is I challengeif you, if you're a person
with and you like to donate tothings, and you like to donate to

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politicians, donate to help us withcounteracting commercials from these absurd uh juvenile justice
commercials that aren't even true. Andyou know, I thought about actually spending
some of my own money because victimsneed to be on the commercials of what
really of what it really does victimsand their families. And you know,

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I've got mom after mom they literallyand Sarpy County just told told the mom,
well, your daughter who's been inand out for since she was fourteen
now she's seventeen, ended up beingtrafficked because she couldn't get any juvenile help.
So on and so on. Butthey said, Okay, she's going

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to go here, blah blah blah. Then they call her and say,
oh, well, so and sodidn't fill out the paperwork they needed to.
So now she's being successfully discharged.And it's like, wait, she
goes, first of all, sheis didn't successfully do anything, so are
they falsifying legal documents? And thenshe told them, she goes, well,

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I don't want to be liable forher. I can't bring her to
my house with my other kid rightnow. And they said, well then
as child neglect. Yeah, what, Oh, we've explained this. I've
explained that to you, that scenarioto one of the representative from the Sherwood
Foundation, and I explained to herhow just how absurd it is when we

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have a mother and we've seen thesein my time in the street as a
patrol officer, where you get theand the mom is telling you I have
no control over dis juvenile I cannotcontrol them. They're bigger than me,
they're stronger than me. They're gonnapush away out the door as soon as
you leave. They've they've assaulted me. And you tell the mom, if
you don't let them in the house, you don't keep them in the house.
We're gonna rescue for child neglect,and that's what we have to do

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as police officers, and it's completelyabsurd in my opinion. There should be
a place where we can take akid for a time out, some sort
of secure facility where they can gohave their time out, to get away
from the mom, to give themom some relief. But there's none of
those there's none of those things inthe successful A discharge from probation is another
issue that once again another rabbit holecan go down because these juveniles are not

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being they're not successfully completed anything,but they're just discharged because they're like,
they're not cooperating. So it's like, well, we'll just successful dischargement should
be unsuccessful discharge. And also thereshould be some sort of carrot that goes
along with that. If you wantyour juvenile records sealed, then that means
that you're gonna have to suss successfullythe programs. If you don't success successfully
complete these programs, now your record'snot sealed. Now everyone's going to see

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what was on your record and knowwhat's going on, and it's now going
to be going to be made It'sbe a public document. Now at that
point, that's what should happen,so that way we can actually start to
truly talk about these these offenders thathave these repeat offenses. And as a
victim, I feel helpless because whodo I get a hold accountable? Guess
what? I can't hold the countyaccountable because they protect themselves. That's crap,

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because they're saving money and making moneyin programs that killed my kid and
I can't I can't get what reparationsfor that because that's all I have at
this point. My daughter's gone,and the very guys that are involved with
her murder were repeatedly it's on theircourt record. Let off probation for failure

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to comply, go back and jail. Then what yeah, you're not complying,
then you're back in jail. Thejuvenile system is the second parent.
You just exactly, You just describedit perfectly. Earlier you said it's these
these these solutions are simple, they'rereally not that difficult. Your own probation,

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you're not doing you're supposed to doin probation, the consequences you're going
back in jail was real simple.And now I add one more thing.
Me and Dan were able to sitthrough the Young Adult Court, which is
a rehabilitated court for adults, youngadults that have committed felonies and not necessarily
violent felonies, but committed felonies.And we sat and saw a court system
that actually holds people accountable. There. Actually, there's a young man that
gets up in front of the judge, had missed his his YearIn analysis,

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they have to do three a weekat the process. He was the part
of the process he was in,had to three a week. He missed
one of his drug tests. Thejudge says that that's a positive test.
You missed your drug test. Thisyoung man was actually going working, doing
some of the things he's supposed todo, but not everything he's supposed to
do because he missed a drug test. He says, Okay, what time
you get off work Friday? I'moff at four. Okay, you need

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to report to Douglas County Correction atfive o'clock. You're not gonna be released
until five o'clock Sunday, and thenyou go back to work Monday. And
I guarantee that next week he didn'tmiss a drug test, So you hold
him accountable. And guess what wesaw it and sat and saw this young
man get up there and talk aboutI didn't listen early on, I didn't
do what I was supposed to do. When I finally started doing I was
supposed to do it. Now I'mhere in front of you, reading and
graduating this program successfully. His felomywas dismissed because he successfully could complete the

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program. So there is programs outthere that jan took a judge and someone
making holding them accountable. There hasto be accountability in a system, and
there's none right now in our juvenilesystem, not even close to what it
should be. Yeah, and Iagain want to thank Tony and Dan for
coming in and speaking with us andshedding some light on some of the things
and current events that are going onwith our judicial system, with our laws,

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with our policies, and with thejuvenile system. You know, the
officers need our help, victims needour help, and the juveniles need our
help. And maybe maybe we canget one of those juveniles that has successfully
completed to come in and say,hey, this worked for me. I've
got some moms who went through thesystem and that's what they wanted for their

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daughters when they were having trouble withthem and the system is not the same
anymore. It doesn't put teeth intoconsequence and uh, that's a discussion for
another day. I hope you lookup Carlrain dot com, k A R
L y r A i N dotcom. Go to find your rep and
please find your representatives, write them, call them, use your voice.

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Joba, show you please, I'llbe please. This is from I'm far

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promote. Oh help me, Iknow, I don't f Carly was extremely

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unique and unless you met her,it's very hard to explain. She was
just. She was charismatic, shewas this is far from over. You

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haven't seen the lastomy. I haven'tseen the last in me.