July 1, 2025 • 29 mins
As America celebrates its freedom, "Kentucky Focus" steps back into the shadows of the Revolution to uncover the lesser-known sacrifices that shaped a nation. Why did one of the most influential Founding Fathers refuse to sign the Declaration? What did the others risk—and lose—for the cause? Join Scott Fitzgerald for an Independence Week special that reveals the convictions, complexities, and quiet courage behind the fight for liberty.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
I'm Scott Fitzgeralden.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
This is Kentucky Focus, a special Independence Day Kentucky Focus.
As the fireworks go up and the flag's way, probably
we take you beyond the parades into the quiet struggles
and the bold decisions, as well as the voices you
may not have heard but should have. What did independence
really cost the men who signed their names to it,
and what happens when one of the most influential.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Founding fathers refused to sign.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
We'll hear from someone that holds some of our nation's
most powerful revolutionary artifacts, and a scholar who's bringing new
light to a forgotten founder.
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Who's pen stirred a movement.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Freedom was never simple, and neither were the people who
fought for it.
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Stay with us. I'm Scott Fitzgerald.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
The story of America's independence is deeper, and you've been told.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Welcome to Kentucky Focus on the Kentucky News Network, the
show that looks at issues affecting the Commonwealth and its citizens.
We cover state politics, in history, human interest stories, sports,
and even entertainment. It's Kentucky Focus on kNN.
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Speaker 6 (02:02):
Well.
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The story of the American Revolution is often told in
dates and battles, but behind every declaration in drumbeat was
a personal sacrifice. I's were up ended, fortunes lost, and
families torn apart, all in the name of one idea freedom.
Joining us now is Matthew Skick, Director of Collections and
Exhibitions at the Museum of the American Revolution in Philadelphia,
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a place that just doesn't preserve artifacts, it tells the
deeply human stories behind them.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
And Matthew, thank you for taking time to join us.
Speaker 7 (02:31):
My pleasure. I'm happy to be here on air.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
And thank you, Matthew.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
And when we think about the founding fathers, Matthew, we
often think about lofty ideals and famous quotes, but what
did the fight for independence actually cost them personally?
Speaker 7 (02:44):
The day to day fight for independence was a dramatic
series of events and decisions. And one of the key
things to consider as we think about the Revolutionary War
is that nobody knew what was going to happen next.
They didn't have the benefit of hindsight to think about
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what was coming up next for this war for independence
for the United States of America.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Matthew Skick again joining us. He is director of Collections
and Exhibitions at the Museum of the American Revolution in Philadelphia.
And if you ever pay a visit to the City
of Brotherly Love, it's definitely a place you want to
put on your list. And Matthew, can you share a
specific story from the museum's collection that maybe illustrates just
how much these individuals were willing to sacrifice.
Speaker 7 (03:30):
We spend a lot of time here at the museum
talking about George Washington, and we specifically have on display
his headquarters tent from the Revolutionary War, his mobile field office.
And when George Washington took command of the army in
seventeen seventy five, he did not return home to Mount
Vernon until seventeen eighty one, just for a brief visit,
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so years away from home. And when Washington took command
of that army in seventy eighteen seventy five, he didn't
know how long this war was going to last, but
he remained with his army throughout those years, and eventually
the war ended up being eight years long, and Washington
rarely returned home except for that one time right before
the Siege of Yorktown in seventeen eighty one.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Having a great conversation with Matthew Skick, as a history buff,
this is really intrigued for me. He is again director
of collections and exhibition exhibitions at the Museum of American
Revolution in Philadelphia, and Matthew, how many signers of the
Declaration of Independence risked everything, homes, careers, and even their lives.
We know a lot did, but how are they aware
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of the dangers when they sign with the.
Speaker 7 (04:40):
Declaration of Independence. One of the last lines of the
declaration is that the men who were representing the now
United States were pledging their lives, their fortunes, and their
sacred honor. Everything was at risk for these men, and
when they signed their name to the document beginning in
August of seventeen seventy six, they were signing their name
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and risking their homes and the safety of their families.
Some of them were forced to flee their homes at
times as the warfront came to their doorstep. This was
a momentous act and an act of rebellion, and King
Georgia Third sent the largest invasion force across the Atlantic
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that had ever been sent outside of Europe by Great
Britain to try and squash this rebellion soon after the
Declaration of Independence. So a lot was at risk for
these signers and representatives of the new United States, And.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Of course Matthew we took on a broader human told
beyond the political elite. What do we know about the
sacrifices of, say, everyday Americans, soldiers, women, and slave people
Native Americans who were swept up by their revolution.
Speaker 7 (05:46):
The tens of thousands of men in the Continental Army
were risking their lives on the warfront. They were often
joined by their wives and children as camp followers, so
sometimes families were very close to the warfront. The Revolutionary
War tore apart long standing alliances between Native American nations
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and in a way caused the Civil War amongst Native
communities and for free and enslaved people of African ascent.
The Revolutionary War posed a choice for many of these
people about whether to side with the British, whether to
side with the revolutionary cause, who was offering the best
chance at freedom? And some people put their flag with
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the British. Some people stood with the revolutionaries, and often
at violent consequences.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Great conversation Matthew Skick, I'm certainly glad we were able
to connect.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
He of course is.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
With the Museum of American Revolution in Philadelphia and he
works with the exhibitions there. And Matthew, how did the
war reshaped communities and families?
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Long after the final shots were fired.
Speaker 7 (06:58):
Veterans of the Revolutionary War war returned home, and when
the war ended, many of them had spent the prime
years of their lives fighting. Remember this was an eight
year war, and so sometimes those veterans are struggling with
poverty at the in their later lives. They're hoping for
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pensions from the United States government, which don't come until
the eighteen teens and twenties. And so some of these
soldiers are dealing with disabilities that were suffered during the
war in terms of loss of limbs and other trauma
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that they experienced during the war. We have documented examples
of that, and so these are America's first veterans who
are really hoping that the United States can come to
their aid and support these soldiers who helped to create
this nation.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
A great conversation. Matthew Skick is the director of Collections
and Exhibitions at the Museum of the American Revolution in Philadelphia.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Just a couple more questions for you. Matthink I could
probably talk to you all day about this.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
It's just you're just a great wealth of knowledge at
telling the story and why we celebrate Independence Week and
weekend here across this great nation of ours and talking
about the relevance today in our modern age, of course,
of political polarization.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
What lessons from the founding.
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Generation do you think are most revelent or maybe even overlooked.
Speaker 7 (08:28):
One of the interesting mottos that the Revolutionary Cause used
was a Latin phrase called exeutus and bos success or
the outcome is in doubt. And I think that is
something that is key to understanding the decision making and
the unfurling of this fight for American independence. And that
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is because the revolutionaries were staking their claim to this fight,
but they didn't know what the outcome would be. They
didn't know what the future would hold. They hoped to
create a nation founded on the ideals of liberty, equality,
and self government. And it's up to us, these late
as later generations of Americans to continue to uphold that
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promise and see that and endors for the future to
continue this nation founded on those ideals of freedom.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Again, we're talking with Matthew Skick.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
He is director of collections and Exhibitions at the Museum
of the American Revolution in Philadelphia. What's the one object
or exhibit in your museum, Mathew, you feel embodies the
spirit of sacrifice and hope define the Revolutionary era.
Speaker 7 (09:35):
I really think it's George Washington's tent. It's one of
our most iconic artifacts at the museum. You can see
it as if it was set up in the field
during the Revolutionary War. And that tent and how it
has survived over the past nearly two hundred and fifty
years is a symbol of the survival of the American
nation as it's had its own trials and tribulations and successes.
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This tent and doors as a symbol of the fight
to create this nation and George Washington's leadership in that fight.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Matthew Skick, director of Collections and Exhibitions at the Museum
of the American Revolution in Philadelphia. I know it is
a very busy time for you, Matthew, and I certainly
appreciate you making time for us. You have been fantastic.
And I again, if folks gonna if you're going to
head to the city of Brotherly Love, Philadelphia, you need
to put this on your list and be there. And Matthew,
for those listening right now that can't necessarily make it
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anytime soon, can they visit your website and see some
I guess stories that are there as well.
Speaker 7 (10:33):
Yes, Scott, thank you so much for having me visit
our website. If you can't make it to Philadelphia, our
website is Amrevmuseum dot org. We have some great resources
online for deeper learning about the revolutionary era, and if
you can make it to Philadelphia, you'll be really enjoy
your time here at the museum. It's a great resource
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two blocks away from Independence Hall.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
I can tell Matthew you speak very well for all
the folks there. This has been a real treat for me. Matthew,
thank you so much in a very happy Fourth of
July to you.
Speaker 7 (11:03):
Happy fourth of July, Scott, Take care well.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
The American Revolution wasn't just a war.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
It was a radical act of courage and commitment that
reshaped the world. As we've heard, those who fought for
our independents did so at a great personal cost, and
it's through places like the Museum of the American Revolution
that their full stories are honored and remembered. A very
special thank you the Matthew Skitch for sharing these insights,
and again, if you're ever in Philadelphia or just looking
to reconnect with the roots of our nation, museums and
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must visit. We're back after this I'm Scott Fitzgerald. You
are listening to Kentucky Focus.
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Well, today we're taking a fresh look at the American
Revolution through the lens of a lesser known, but profoundly
influential founding father, John Dickinson. Well names like Washington, Jefferson,
and Adams often dominate the conversation. Dickinson's writings were actually
more numerous and arguably more influential in shaping colonial resistance
an early American political thought. Joining us as historian, Doctor
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Jane E. Calvert, founder of the John Dickinson Writings Project.
Since twenty ten, doctor Calvert has been leading the monumental
effort to publish the complete writings and selected correspondence of
John Dickinson, providing scholars of course in everyday Americans access
to one of the most richish, yet most overlooked voices
of the founding era. Doctor Calvert, thanks for taking time
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to join us. All right, let's begin with some context here. Now,
most Americans today are unfamiliar with John Dickinson. In your view,
what makes him essential to the understanding of the founding
of the United States.
Speaker 6 (12:47):
Well, Dickinson was actually America's first celebrity. He was known
around the colonies and the Atlantic world and as far
away as Poland as the spokesman for the American cause.
He you noted that he wrote, he wrote more than
anyone else. He was the person who was, you know,
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seen as the undisputed leader. Other leaders in the various
colonies looked to him for advice. And so he had
written this really remarkably well received set of letters called
Letters from.
Speaker 10 (13:24):
A Farmer in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 6 (13:26):
And then these were the published together in a single pamphlet.
And in these letters he did something that no one
had done before. Well, he did several things, one of
which was giving Americans a sense that they had a
separate identity, distinct from Britain, because Americans, Americans really only
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saw themselves as British. And he said, no, wait, we
are something else and something different. Yes we're British, but
we're we're Americans, and this was a new concept for Americans.
And then he also spoke to ordinary Americans. Now, most
elite leaders really didn't think that ordinary working Americans, laboring Americans,
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they didn't think that those people really had to say
in politics. But Dickinson said, absolutely, everybody needs to join
in and participate and resist British oppression. Everybody needs to
know why they need to do this and join in.
And then most remarkably, he prescribed a program of peaceful
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resistance to Britain. He did not want war, he did
not want armed uprisings. That was counterproductive. He knew because
of his Quaker background Quakers were pacifist. Now Dickinson was
not a Quaker, but he was raised in a Quaker environment,
and he believed a lot of what they believed, including
that peaceful resistance was really the most productive way to
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make changes.
Speaker 10 (15:01):
And so this is what he advocated.
Speaker 6 (15:03):
And Americans just they just thought this was phenomenal, and
that's what made him a celebrity. And so, you know, really,
you know, up until you know, America really didn't turn
towards independence, thinking about independence until the spring of seventeen
seventy six. That's when Dickinson's Dickinson's influence began to wane,
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but still he remained an influence, real figure for the
rest of his life until he died in eighteen oh eight.
But in any case, yeah, so you know, he just
provided Americans a real, like, some new ideas to grab
onto to resist Britain, and arguably, if it hadn't been
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for him, independence, even though it's not what he wanted.
And we can talk about that if you want, but
independence would not have happened if it hadn't been for
Dickinson preparing Americans both like mentally and strategically and even
militarily for separation from Britain.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Interesting conversation. Doctor Jamie Calvert is joining us. She's the
founder of the John Dickinson Writings Project. You can see
more of our work on the web, and we'll get
to that in just a minute. And you mentioned that,
doctor Calvert, how did Dickinson's belief in sort of a
defensive war only in his commitment to constitutional preservation influence
the tone of the revolution as a whole.
Speaker 10 (16:28):
It did a couple of things.
Speaker 6 (16:29):
The first thing it did was it gave Americans and
ordinary Americans a way to express the frustration that wasn't violent,
because of course violence just breeds violence. So he knew
that if all, if Americans were just rioting and protesting
through force of arms, that could only mean disaster for Americans,
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because the British had the most powerful armed forces in
the world, and they could come in and just squash Americans.
And so it gave them, you know, a way to
resist and and and sort of gradually, you know, you know,
defend their rights peacefully, which would give them time to
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prepare militarily. Now, Dickinson, because he was not a Quaker,
he believed very very strongly in defensive war, like he
didn't believe in offensive war, but defensive war was completely allowable.
And so he also led Americans in sort of building
up the military so that when independence, if independence were declared,
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they would be ready to defend themselves against the most
powerful army in the world. It was a very sort
of strategic approach, and he gave Americans, you know, time
and and a way to you know, prepare while delaying
for any kind of onslaught from the.
Speaker 10 (17:55):
British that would require their defense.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
You know, we're talking with doctor Jane Calvert.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
She's the founder of the John Dickinson Writings Project and
talking about John Dickinson probably one of the lesser known
names that had more to do with the Revolution than
some of the well known names.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
And we're talking a little bit, you know about.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
He wrote prolifically Doctor Calvert, more than any other founder.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
I think. Can you highlight a few of his most
impactful works and why they mattered at the time.
Speaker 6 (18:21):
Yeah, So his very first writing was a little Well
for the Revolution was a little broadside, just two sides
of a sheet of paper in seventeen sixty five. And
in there, this is when the riot riots for the
Stamp Act were just getting going. And in that little
broadside he spoke to ordinary Americans and he said, the
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way to approach this is not by riots, not by
trying to just avoid the Stamp Act, but by ignoring
the Stamp Act and engaging in your business as usual. Now,
this we recognize as a tried and true tactic from
the civil rights movement in the nineteen sixty but Dickinson
was the first person to offer this, and Americans were like,
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it was like really, really a revelation for them, and
they took that and they went.
Speaker 10 (19:09):
Oh, yes, of course, this is what we'll do.
Speaker 6 (19:11):
So that was in seventeen sixty five, and then in
seventeen sixty seven and sixty eight he published his famous
Letters from a Farmer in Pennsylvania. And then he published
many other newspaper articles.
Speaker 10 (19:25):
And other pamphlets.
Speaker 6 (19:26):
And then he also published or wrote, like most of
the most important writings for the stamp Back Congress. Then
the First and the Second Continental Congresses. He wrote more
of the seminal documents that we think of, you know,
coming out of those Congresses. And then he continued to
serve in office and write things over the next you know,
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the seventeen seventies, seventeen eighties, and when the time came
for you know, kind of reforming you know, the American Republic,
when the Articles of Confederation were failing, and by the way,
he wrote the first draft of that with some very
interesting provisions that were rejected. And then when the Constitutional
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Convention happened, he was there and he offered, you know,
really important contributions. And then he wrote his next most
famous set of letters. It was called letters, uh, the
Letters of Fabeas. And Fabeas was a pen name and
that he adopted and uh and and so he published
these letters to encourage ratification.
Speaker 10 (20:32):
Of the Constitution.
Speaker 6 (20:33):
Now, when we think of the ratification debates, we normally
think of the very now famous Federalist papers written by
James Madison and John Jay and Alexander Hamilton. But those
were actually really only they weren't very influential. Influential they
were they were published and read mainly just in New York,
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and they actually did not even achieve their objective of
getting New York to ratify the Constitution.
Speaker 10 (20:59):
But Dickinson's fabeous.
Speaker 6 (21:00):
Letters were read around the States and praised by people
like George Washington and and so they again spoke to
ordinary Americans and said, you know, here are the reasons you,
you know, we need to ratify the Constitution. This is
ours our you know, our best hope for for political salvation.
And and so those were very famous, but there were
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he published. He wrote, I've estimated around eight hundred items
for uh, you know, during and for the American cause.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
At the founding, doctor Jane E.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Calvert is joining us fascinating conversation on this Independence Week
founder the John Dickinson Writings Project.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
I've probably talked to you all day, doctor Calart.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
As you mentioned you you did a lot of reading
into this as someone who spent years immersed in these writings.
What do you think Dickinson would say about the state
of American democracy today.
Speaker 6 (21:57):
It's pretty safe to say they would be verified for
our future.
Speaker 10 (22:02):
They tried to put in.
Speaker 6 (22:02):
Place safeguards in the Constitution to protect against a number
of things that are currently happening. They would be, I
think most alarmed by the expanse of executive power. There
were very few things that the framers of the Constitution
agreed upon. They agreed upon almost nothing. They debated everything,
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They agreed on almost nothing, but the one thing that
they all agreed on. Everyone from John Dickinson on one
extreme to Alexander Hamilton on the other. Dickinson said, the
president will be no dictator. He will be removable from
office and punishable for crimes committed while in office. And
now the Supreme Court has recently decreed that the president
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is immune.
Speaker 10 (22:49):
From criminal prosecution for crimes committed in office. They would
be appalled at this.
Speaker 6 (22:55):
They devised our system to be balanced between the three branches,
the executive, the legislative, and the judicial. And right now
what we're seeing is the legislative branch just abdicating its
responsibilities to stand up to the executive power and the
judicial branch facilitating executive power. And so what's happening in
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our system right now, at this moment, is a violation
of the basic principles.
Speaker 10 (23:23):
That the founders imagined.
Speaker 6 (23:24):
And one last one I'll mention they believed that the
American people had a responsibility to be educated about our
system and to hold their leaders accountable for doing their
duty in office. And right now Americans are so either
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apathetic or ignorant about our system that they don't even
really understand necessarily what's happening. So, you know, civic education
in this country is at an all time low. And
so that's what was going to preserve our system was
the virtue of the people and the education of the people,
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and we're not seeing that right now. So John Dickinson
was one of the leading figures for civic education of
ordinary Americans, and he would not be alone, however, all
of the framewers of the Constitution would be very troubled
at what's happening today. I think it's safe to say
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they foresaw this and they tried to put provisions in
the Constitution to protect us, but those are not succeeding.
They're clearly failing.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Doctor Jane Calvert, thank you for giving us such a
powerful lens into a man who gave so much to
the American cause, not by charging into battle first, but
by shaping the very ideas we're fighting for. John Dickinson's
legacy reminds us that independence wasn't just one on battlefields.
It was also one in newspapers, pamphlets, debates, and moments
of course, of deeply personal conviction. And Doctor Calvert, For
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those who want to dig deeper into John Dickinson and
his writings, where can they go?
Speaker 6 (25:02):
I would recommend my recent biography of Dickinson that came
out last fall. It's called Penman of the Founding, and
it's the first complete and accurate biography of John Dickinson,
and then after that the complete writings and selected correspondents
of John Dickinson. The first three volumes are available for purchase.
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You can get those on Amazon or wherever you get books.
Where we have three volumes already. The fourth volume will
be out next February, and so those are the main
places to go right now. I think the most accessible
way would be to grab a copy of Penman of
the Founding and read about Dickinson's life.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Doctor Jane Calvern, this has certainly been a treat for me.
I really appreciate you making time. It is a busy
time of year for those who delve into things like
the revolution, for sure.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Doctor Calvert, all the best to you. We wish you
good luck and maybe we can talk again soon some time.
Speaker 10 (25:55):
Thank you so much.
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What if the fight for American freeom wasn't just about
muskets and declarations, but about conviction, conscience, and the courage
to stand alone. Today you heard a side of the
revolution that's rarely told. A reminder that not every patriot
waved a flagging out every hero signed a famous document.
As you celebrate this week, take a moment to reflect
on the quiet strength behind our independence and the unfinished
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stories of those who shaped it. Thanks for spending part
of your Independence Week with us. I'm Scott fitzgeralden. This
has been Kentucky.
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This is Kentucky Focus, a special Independence Day Kentucky Focus.
As the fireworks go up and the flag's way, probably
we take you beyond the parades into the quiet struggles
and the bold decisions, as well as the voices you
may not have heard but should have. What did independence
really cost the men who signed their names to it,
and what happens when one of the most influential.
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Founding fathers refused to sign.
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We'll hear from someone that holds some of our nation's
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Freedom was never simple, and neither were the people who
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The story of the American Revolution is often told in
dates and battles, but behind every declaration in drumbeat was
a personal sacrifice. I's were up ended, fortunes lost, and
families torn apart, all in the name of one idea freedom.
Joining us now is Matthew Skick, Director of Collections and
Exhibitions at the Museum of the American Revolution in Philadelphia,
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a place that just doesn't preserve artifacts, it tells the
deeply human stories behind them.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
And Matthew, thank you for taking time to join us.
Speaker 7 (02:31):
My pleasure. I'm happy to be here on air.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
And thank you, Matthew.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
And when we think about the founding fathers, Matthew, we
often think about lofty ideals and famous quotes, but what
did the fight for independence actually cost them personally?
Speaker 7 (02:44):
The day to day fight for independence was a dramatic
series of events and decisions. And one of the key
things to consider as we think about the Revolutionary War
is that nobody knew what was going to happen next.
They didn't have the benefit of hindsight to think about
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what was coming up next for this war for independence
for the United States of America.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Matthew Skick again joining us. He is director of Collections
and Exhibitions at the Museum of the American Revolution in Philadelphia.
And if you ever pay a visit to the City
of Brotherly Love, it's definitely a place you want to
put on your list. And Matthew, can you share a
specific story from the museum's collection that maybe illustrates just
how much these individuals were willing to sacrifice.
Speaker 7 (03:30):
We spend a lot of time here at the museum
talking about George Washington, and we specifically have on display
his headquarters tent from the Revolutionary War, his mobile field office.
And when George Washington took command of the army in
seventeen seventy five, he did not return home to Mount
Vernon until seventeen eighty one, just for a brief visit,
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so years away from home. And when Washington took command
of that army in seventy eighteen seventy five, he didn't
know how long this war was going to last, but
he remained with his army throughout those years, and eventually
the war ended up being eight years long, and Washington
rarely returned home except for that one time right before
the Siege of Yorktown in seventeen eighty one.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Having a great conversation with Matthew Skick, as a history buff,
this is really intrigued for me. He is again director
of collections and exhibition exhibitions at the Museum of American
Revolution in Philadelphia, and Matthew, how many signers of the
Declaration of Independence risked everything, homes, careers, and even their lives.
We know a lot did, but how are they aware
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of the dangers when they sign with the.
Speaker 7 (04:40):
Declaration of Independence. One of the last lines of the
declaration is that the men who were representing the now
United States were pledging their lives, their fortunes, and their
sacred honor. Everything was at risk for these men, and
when they signed their name to the document beginning in
August of seventeen seventy six, they were signing their name
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and risking their homes and the safety of their families.
Some of them were forced to flee their homes at
times as the warfront came to their doorstep. This was
a momentous act and an act of rebellion, and King
Georgia Third sent the largest invasion force across the Atlantic
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that had ever been sent outside of Europe by Great
Britain to try and squash this rebellion soon after the
Declaration of Independence. So a lot was at risk for
these signers and representatives of the new United States, And.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Of course Matthew we took on a broader human told
beyond the political elite. What do we know about the
sacrifices of, say, everyday Americans, soldiers, women, and slave people
Native Americans who were swept up by their revolution.
Speaker 7 (05:46):
The tens of thousands of men in the Continental Army
were risking their lives on the warfront. They were often
joined by their wives and children as camp followers, so
sometimes families were very close to the warfront. The Revolutionary
War tore apart long standing alliances between Native American nations
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and in a way caused the Civil War amongst Native
communities and for free and enslaved people of African ascent.
The Revolutionary War posed a choice for many of these
people about whether to side with the British, whether to
side with the revolutionary cause, who was offering the best
chance at freedom? And some people put their flag with
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the British. Some people stood with the revolutionaries, and often
at violent consequences.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Great conversation Matthew Skick, I'm certainly glad we were able
to connect.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
He of course is.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
With the Museum of American Revolution in Philadelphia and he
works with the exhibitions there. And Matthew, how did the
war reshaped communities and families?
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Long after the final shots were fired.
Speaker 7 (06:58):
Veterans of the Revolutionary War war returned home, and when
the war ended, many of them had spent the prime
years of their lives fighting. Remember this was an eight
year war, and so sometimes those veterans are struggling with
poverty at the in their later lives. They're hoping for
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pensions from the United States government, which don't come until
the eighteen teens and twenties. And so some of these
soldiers are dealing with disabilities that were suffered during the
war in terms of loss of limbs and other trauma
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that they experienced during the war. We have documented examples
of that, and so these are America's first veterans who
are really hoping that the United States can come to
their aid and support these soldiers who helped to create
this nation.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
A great conversation. Matthew Skick is the director of Collections
and Exhibitions at the Museum of the American Revolution in Philadelphia.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Just a couple more questions for you. Matthink I could
probably talk to you all day about this.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
It's just you're just a great wealth of knowledge at
telling the story and why we celebrate Independence Week and
weekend here across this great nation of ours and talking
about the relevance today in our modern age, of course,
of political polarization.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
What lessons from the founding.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Generation do you think are most revelent or maybe even overlooked.
Speaker 7 (08:28):
One of the interesting mottos that the Revolutionary Cause used
was a Latin phrase called exeutus and bos success or
the outcome is in doubt. And I think that is
something that is key to understanding the decision making and
the unfurling of this fight for American independence. And that
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is because the revolutionaries were staking their claim to this fight,
but they didn't know what the outcome would be. They
didn't know what the future would hold. They hoped to
create a nation founded on the ideals of liberty, equality,
and self government. And it's up to us, these late
as later generations of Americans to continue to uphold that
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promise and see that and endors for the future to
continue this nation founded on those ideals of freedom.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Again, we're talking with Matthew Skick.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
He is director of collections and Exhibitions at the Museum
of the American Revolution in Philadelphia. What's the one object
or exhibit in your museum, Mathew, you feel embodies the
spirit of sacrifice and hope define the Revolutionary era.
Speaker 7 (09:35):
I really think it's George Washington's tent. It's one of
our most iconic artifacts at the museum. You can see
it as if it was set up in the field
during the Revolutionary War. And that tent and how it
has survived over the past nearly two hundred and fifty
years is a symbol of the survival of the American
nation as it's had its own trials and tribulations and successes.
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This tent and doors as a symbol of the fight
to create this nation and George Washington's leadership in that fight.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Matthew Skick, director of Collections and Exhibitions at the Museum
of the American Revolution in Philadelphia. I know it is
a very busy time for you, Matthew, and I certainly
appreciate you making time for us. You have been fantastic.
And I again, if folks gonna if you're going to
head to the city of Brotherly Love, Philadelphia, you need
to put this on your list and be there. And Matthew,
for those listening right now that can't necessarily make it
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anytime soon, can they visit your website and see some
I guess stories that are there as well.
Speaker 7 (10:33):
Yes, Scott, thank you so much for having me visit
our website. If you can't make it to Philadelphia, our
website is Amrevmuseum dot org. We have some great resources
online for deeper learning about the revolutionary era, and if
you can make it to Philadelphia, you'll be really enjoy
your time here at the museum. It's a great resource
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two blocks away from Independence Hall.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
I can tell Matthew you speak very well for all
the folks there. This has been a real treat for me. Matthew,
thank you so much in a very happy Fourth of
July to you.
Speaker 7 (11:03):
Happy fourth of July, Scott, Take care well.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
The American Revolution wasn't just a war.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
It was a radical act of courage and commitment that
reshaped the world. As we've heard, those who fought for
our independents did so at a great personal cost, and
it's through places like the Museum of the American Revolution
that their full stories are honored and remembered. A very
special thank you the Matthew Skitch for sharing these insights,
and again, if you're ever in Philadelphia or just looking
to reconnect with the roots of our nation, museums and
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must visit. We're back after this I'm Scott Fitzgerald. You
are listening to Kentucky Focus.
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Well, today we're taking a fresh look at the American
Revolution through the lens of a lesser known, but profoundly
influential founding father, John Dickinson. Well names like Washington, Jefferson,
and Adams often dominate the conversation. Dickinson's writings were actually
more numerous and arguably more influential in shaping colonial resistance
an early American political thought. Joining us as historian, Doctor
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Jane E. Calvert, founder of the John Dickinson Writings Project.
Since twenty ten, doctor Calvert has been leading the monumental
effort to publish the complete writings and selected correspondence of
John Dickinson, providing scholars of course in everyday Americans access
to one of the most richish, yet most overlooked voices
of the founding era. Doctor Calvert, thanks for taking time
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to join us. All right, let's begin with some context here. Now,
most Americans today are unfamiliar with John Dickinson. In your view,
what makes him essential to the understanding of the founding
of the United States.
Speaker 6 (12:47):
Well, Dickinson was actually America's first celebrity. He was known
around the colonies and the Atlantic world and as far
away as Poland as the spokesman for the American cause.
He you noted that he wrote, he wrote more than
anyone else. He was the person who was, you know,
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seen as the undisputed leader. Other leaders in the various
colonies looked to him for advice. And so he had
written this really remarkably well received set of letters called
Letters from.
Speaker 10 (13:24):
A Farmer in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 6 (13:26):
And then these were the published together in a single pamphlet.
And in these letters he did something that no one
had done before. Well, he did several things, one of
which was giving Americans a sense that they had a
separate identity, distinct from Britain, because Americans, Americans really only
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saw themselves as British. And he said, no, wait, we
are something else and something different. Yes we're British, but
we're we're Americans, and this was a new concept for Americans.
And then he also spoke to ordinary Americans. Now, most
elite leaders really didn't think that ordinary working Americans, laboring Americans,
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they didn't think that those people really had to say
in politics. But Dickinson said, absolutely, everybody needs to join
in and participate and resist British oppression. Everybody needs to
know why they need to do this and join in.
And then most remarkably, he prescribed a program of peaceful
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resistance to Britain. He did not want war, he did
not want armed uprisings. That was counterproductive. He knew because
of his Quaker background Quakers were pacifist. Now Dickinson was
not a Quaker, but he was raised in a Quaker environment,
and he believed a lot of what they believed, including
that peaceful resistance was really the most productive way to
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make changes.
Speaker 10 (15:01):
And so this is what he advocated.
Speaker 6 (15:03):
And Americans just they just thought this was phenomenal, and
that's what made him a celebrity. And so, you know, really,
you know, up until you know, America really didn't turn
towards independence, thinking about independence until the spring of seventeen
seventy six. That's when Dickinson's Dickinson's influence began to wane,
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but still he remained an influence, real figure for the
rest of his life until he died in eighteen oh eight.
But in any case, yeah, so you know, he just
provided Americans a real, like, some new ideas to grab
onto to resist Britain, and arguably, if it hadn't been
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for him, independence, even though it's not what he wanted.
And we can talk about that if you want, but
independence would not have happened if it hadn't been for
Dickinson preparing Americans both like mentally and strategically and even
militarily for separation from Britain.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Interesting conversation. Doctor Jamie Calvert is joining us. She's the
founder of the John Dickinson Writings Project. You can see
more of our work on the web, and we'll get
to that in just a minute. And you mentioned that,
doctor Calvert, how did Dickinson's belief in sort of a
defensive war only in his commitment to constitutional preservation influence
the tone of the revolution as a whole.
Speaker 10 (16:28):
It did a couple of things.
Speaker 6 (16:29):
The first thing it did was it gave Americans and
ordinary Americans a way to express the frustration that wasn't violent,
because of course violence just breeds violence. So he knew
that if all, if Americans were just rioting and protesting
through force of arms, that could only mean disaster for Americans,
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because the British had the most powerful armed forces in
the world, and they could come in and just squash Americans.
And so it gave them, you know, a way to
resist and and and sort of gradually, you know, you know,
defend their rights peacefully, which would give them time to
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prepare militarily. Now, Dickinson, because he was not a Quaker,
he believed very very strongly in defensive war, like he
didn't believe in offensive war, but defensive war was completely allowable.
And so he also led Americans in sort of building
up the military so that when independence, if independence were declared,
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they would be ready to defend themselves against the most
powerful army in the world. It was a very sort
of strategic approach, and he gave Americans, you know, time
and and a way to you know, prepare while delaying
for any kind of onslaught from the.
Speaker 10 (17:55):
British that would require their defense.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
You know, we're talking with doctor Jane Calvert.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
She's the founder of the John Dickinson Writings Project and
talking about John Dickinson probably one of the lesser known
names that had more to do with the Revolution than
some of the well known names.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
And we're talking a little bit, you know about.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
He wrote prolifically Doctor Calvert, more than any other founder.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
I think. Can you highlight a few of his most
impactful works and why they mattered at the time.
Speaker 6 (18:21):
Yeah, So his very first writing was a little Well
for the Revolution was a little broadside, just two sides
of a sheet of paper in seventeen sixty five. And
in there, this is when the riot riots for the
Stamp Act were just getting going. And in that little
broadside he spoke to ordinary Americans and he said, the
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way to approach this is not by riots, not by
trying to just avoid the Stamp Act, but by ignoring
the Stamp Act and engaging in your business as usual. Now,
this we recognize as a tried and true tactic from
the civil rights movement in the nineteen sixty but Dickinson
was the first person to offer this, and Americans were like,
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it was like really, really a revelation for them, and
they took that and they went.
Speaker 10 (19:09):
Oh, yes, of course, this is what we'll do.
Speaker 6 (19:11):
So that was in seventeen sixty five, and then in
seventeen sixty seven and sixty eight he published his famous
Letters from a Farmer in Pennsylvania. And then he published
many other newspaper articles.
Speaker 10 (19:25):
And other pamphlets.
Speaker 6 (19:26):
And then he also published or wrote, like most of
the most important writings for the stamp Back Congress. Then
the First and the Second Continental Congresses. He wrote more
of the seminal documents that we think of, you know,
coming out of those Congresses. And then he continued to
serve in office and write things over the next you know,
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the seventeen seventies, seventeen eighties, and when the time came
for you know, kind of reforming you know, the American Republic,
when the Articles of Confederation were failing, and by the way,
he wrote the first draft of that with some very
interesting provisions that were rejected. And then when the Constitutional
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Convention happened, he was there and he offered, you know,
really important contributions. And then he wrote his next most
famous set of letters. It was called letters, uh, the
Letters of Fabeas. And Fabeas was a pen name and
that he adopted and uh and and so he published
these letters to encourage ratification.
Speaker 10 (20:32):
Of the Constitution.
Speaker 6 (20:33):
Now, when we think of the ratification debates, we normally
think of the very now famous Federalist papers written by
James Madison and John Jay and Alexander Hamilton. But those
were actually really only they weren't very influential. Influential they
were they were published and read mainly just in New York,
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and they actually did not even achieve their objective of
getting New York to ratify the Constitution.
Speaker 10 (20:59):
But Dickinson's fabeous.
Speaker 6 (21:00):
Letters were read around the States and praised by people
like George Washington and and so they again spoke to
ordinary Americans and said, you know, here are the reasons you,
you know, we need to ratify the Constitution. This is
ours our you know, our best hope for for political salvation.
And and so those were very famous, but there were
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he published. He wrote, I've estimated around eight hundred items
for uh, you know, during and for the American cause.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
At the founding, doctor Jane E.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Calvert is joining us fascinating conversation on this Independence Week
founder the John Dickinson Writings Project.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
I've probably talked to you all day, doctor Calart.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
As you mentioned you you did a lot of reading
into this as someone who spent years immersed in these writings.
What do you think Dickinson would say about the state
of American democracy today.
Speaker 6 (21:57):
It's pretty safe to say they would be verified for
our future.
Speaker 10 (22:02):
They tried to put in.
Speaker 6 (22:02):
Place safeguards in the Constitution to protect against a number
of things that are currently happening. They would be, I
think most alarmed by the expanse of executive power. There
were very few things that the framers of the Constitution
agreed upon. They agreed upon almost nothing. They debated everything,
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They agreed on almost nothing, but the one thing that
they all agreed on. Everyone from John Dickinson on one
extreme to Alexander Hamilton on the other. Dickinson said, the
president will be no dictator. He will be removable from
office and punishable for crimes committed while in office. And
now the Supreme Court has recently decreed that the president
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is immune.
Speaker 10 (22:49):
From criminal prosecution for crimes committed in office. They would
be appalled at this.
Speaker 6 (22:55):
They devised our system to be balanced between the three branches,
the executive, the legislative, and the judicial. And right now
what we're seeing is the legislative branch just abdicating its
responsibilities to stand up to the executive power and the
judicial branch facilitating executive power. And so what's happening in
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our system right now, at this moment, is a violation
of the basic principles.
Speaker 10 (23:23):
That the founders imagined.
Speaker 6 (23:24):
And one last one I'll mention they believed that the
American people had a responsibility to be educated about our
system and to hold their leaders accountable for doing their
duty in office. And right now Americans are so either
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apathetic or ignorant about our system that they don't even
really understand necessarily what's happening. So, you know, civic education
in this country is at an all time low. And
so that's what was going to preserve our system was
the virtue of the people and the education of the people,
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and we're not seeing that right now. So John Dickinson
was one of the leading figures for civic education of
ordinary Americans, and he would not be alone, however, all
of the framewers of the Constitution would be very troubled
at what's happening today. I think it's safe to say
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they foresaw this and they tried to put provisions in
the Constitution to protect us, but those are not succeeding.
They're clearly failing.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Doctor Jane Calvert, thank you for giving us such a
powerful lens into a man who gave so much to
the American cause, not by charging into battle first, but
by shaping the very ideas we're fighting for. John Dickinson's
legacy reminds us that independence wasn't just one on battlefields.
It was also one in newspapers, pamphlets, debates, and moments
of course, of deeply personal conviction. And Doctor Calvert, For
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those who want to dig deeper into John Dickinson and
his writings, where can they go?
Speaker 6 (25:02):
I would recommend my recent biography of Dickinson that came
out last fall. It's called Penman of the Founding, and
it's the first complete and accurate biography of John Dickinson,
and then after that the complete writings and selected correspondents
of John Dickinson. The first three volumes are available for purchase.
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You can get those on Amazon or wherever you get books.
Where we have three volumes already. The fourth volume will
be out next February, and so those are the main
places to go right now. I think the most accessible
way would be to grab a copy of Penman of
the Founding and read about Dickinson's life.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Doctor Jane Calvern, this has certainly been a treat for me.
I really appreciate you making time. It is a busy
time of year for those who delve into things like
the revolution, for sure.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Doctor Calvert, all the best to you. We wish you
good luck and maybe we can talk again soon some time.
Speaker 10 (25:55):
Thank you so much.
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What if the fight for American freeom wasn't just about
muskets and declarations, but about conviction, conscience, and the courage
to stand alone. Today you heard a side of the
revolution that's rarely told. A reminder that not every patriot
waved a flagging out every hero signed a famous document.
As you celebrate this week, take a moment to reflect
on the quiet strength behind our independence and the unfinished
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stories of those who shaped it. Thanks for spending part
of your Independence Week with us. I'm Scott fitzgeralden. This
has been Kentucky.
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