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November 7, 2024 8 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, well immigration policy look like in the second Trump administration.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
Upon taking office, we will have an Operation Aurora at
the federal level. We will send elite squads of ice,
Sporta patrol, and federal law enforcement officers to hunt down, arrest,
and deport every last illegal alien gang member until there
is not a single one left in this culture.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
Joining us now in the KWA Comma Spirit Health Hotline
see you Immigration Policy Law Professor. It's Vilatta Chape and
Professor Chape and always appreciate you having us, having you
on with us this morning. I want to start this
morning with the President elect. He has often spoke of
mass deportation. Is that even a reality and what kind
of numbers are we taking and talking about if that

(00:43):
were to happen.

Speaker 4 (00:46):
Certainly, good morning, it's nice to be here again. Certainly,
that is something that the President elect has said many
times on the trail, and he has people in place,
notably Stephen Miller, who has said that he will make
good on that promise. Logistically, it's staggering to think about
sort of what that would cost. Primarily, we have approximately

(01:08):
eleven million undocumented people that have been living in the
United States, some of them for decades, and the cost
of sort of apprehending, detaining, processing legally all of those people.
I mean, I've looked around at some of the numbers,
and the costs of doing sort of one large en
Moss operation like that would be between three hundred and

(01:31):
four hundred billion dollars, and that would be a lot
of money, obviously, and difficult for our economy to sustain,
to say the least. And then the cost of sort
of extracting eleven million people from the workplace. Many of
these folks work, they work, they pay taxes, and they
work in jobs that are what we call three D jobs,

(01:52):
the dirty, demanding and difficult jobs. And the cost of
the economy would be there as well. But you know,
presumably the seventy two million people voted for mister Trump,
and they, you know, are going to be, you know,
expecting him to do the things that he stated on
the trail, and if he doesn't that, I guess there

(02:12):
will be some consequences for that. But if he does,
there will also be sort of severe consequences to the economy.
And it's it is a real question whether or not,
you know, we could ever do that. You know, in
the modern immigration enforcement regime, the United States has never
deported more than half a million people per.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
Year, Professor Chapin, like you mentioned, he has given a
lot of policies of what he would do that even
the first day in office.

Speaker 5 (02:36):
We say, played some audio earlier that talks a little
bit about Operation Aurora that he said he would start
here with migrants in Aurora when it comes to deportations.
Is that realistic or do we have any idea of
how this mass deportation could start is initiated.

Speaker 4 (02:53):
Well, one of the things that the President elect has
talked about is deputizing local law enforcement to go in
because we do not have enough immigration and customs enforcement
agents to be able to sort of do such a
sort of a large scale operation even in one state
like Colorado. You know they're going to hit several states,

(03:14):
including Colorado, and some cities have sanctuary policies where local
law enforcement is not permitted to cooperate with immigration enforcement.
So that would be one of the challenges. But certainly,
you know the President elect has made these statements to
the extent that they come to Colorado, there will there
will always be logistical issues. Detention costs are extraordinary. Every

(03:40):
person who gets detained is going to have the right
to have a legal process, and the legal process, as
we know, the immigration system is already backlogged years and years,
and sort of making the space and the time to adjudicate,
you know, one hundreds of thousands, if not millions of
new cases is going to be a nightmare, if not
impossible to the immigration courts.

Speaker 3 (04:01):
Professor, I want to address some of the issues that
you brought up about things that you see from your
perch where immigration is broken. But before we do that,
could we see a resurrection of the former president the
president elect's policies of remain in Mexico. Could we actually
see that border bill that had strong bipartisan support, that
was killed by Donald Trump when he was a candidate
be resurrected and blessed by Trump now that he is

(04:23):
the president elect and.

Speaker 4 (04:26):
Certainly has he has Congress as well, and so we
may very well see some movement finally write some changes
to the law from Congress, and that would be a
resurrection of the border bill. I think it would be.
It's likely that it will be a lot harsher than
immigration advocates would like. I would hope, you know, one thing,

(04:46):
the President elect has stated is that, for example, with
respect to undocumented students or dreamers as we call them,
DOCTA recipients. You know, he has stated that he loves
DOCA recipients and that you know, he thinks that every
the documented person who graduates from college should get a
green card, which I you know, actually wholeheartedly agree with this.
That that would be smart, you know, to the extent

(05:07):
that there is a harsh border bill, I would hope
that there would be some kindness, some respite for undocumented
people who grew up here their whole lives and have
are you know, positively contributing to society. You know, that
would be that would be a potential opportunity to pass finally, finally,
the Dream Act, which would affect those folks. But you know,

(05:29):
that's a very optimistic view, perhaps, but I do think
that's an opportunity to solve one of the sort of
issues that has been intractable but has also received bipartisan
support at least in the past. We may be in
a very different place right now. I think America is feeling,
obviously with the results of this election, that we need
to be tougher on immigration, and certainly we could see

(05:50):
a resurrection of remain in Mexico if the president elect
is able to. I mean that would have to be
negotiated with the new President of Mexico, Claudia Shinbaum, and
so whether or not she would agree to that would
be would be a question as well. But certainly I
think you will see a resurrection of policies that they've
talked about, resurrecting Title forty two, which is the public

(06:12):
health law that allows the president to other illnesses that
they conflint. They're not they're going to be able.

Speaker 5 (06:24):
To do this.

Speaker 4 (06:24):
They're certainly going to do.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
We're losing you there a little bit, professor on your phone,
Sorry about that. We're losing you.

Speaker 4 (06:30):
Can you hear me?

Speaker 3 (06:31):
Yes, I can hear you now?

Speaker 4 (06:32):
Yes, Okay. So I think there will be some activity
in the courts the way that certain.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
Suess, professor, we're losing you a little bit. I wanted
to ask, if we can squeeze in one more question,
what else should we be asking and looking for immigration
policy and border wise with the second Trump administration? And
what does actually what does actually good workable immigration law
policy look like?

Speaker 4 (06:55):
From your perch, certainly, you know we're going to think
about under this new administration, what the outlook is for
the millions of people that have lived here a long time.
I think what we're going to see is a lot
of aggressive enforcement. I think that will likely kill temporary
protected status, which protects about seven hundred thousand people currently

(07:19):
from I think nineteen different countries here in the United States.
They're going in that program, and that will certainly sort
of add to the numbers of undocumented people living here
if they're not able to round up and detain them
all and deport them, which, as we said already is
already sort of a logistical and economic nightmare. I think

(07:41):
what ideally, what we would be able to do in
this country is normalize the status of the people that
have been here for decades and paying taxes and have
children here and have sort of arranged their lives. That
is not what the Trump administration wants to do, but
that I think would be the best thing for our economy,
and it would acknowledge that our economy depends on immigrant

(08:04):
labor for much of our jobs and our work, and
for our economy to turn so to the extent that
they follow the plan that they have stated many many times,
I think the American people will feel it sharply in
our economy.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
See you, immigration policy and law professor at Spielta Chapin.
Thank you so much for your time this morning.
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