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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Excited to be here with you.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Five six six nine zeros are kawai commaspry. He'll text
line if you want to interact with the program. Dave Logan, Ryan.
That was Shelby freaking Harris as you heard that highlight
there the best hands in the game.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
What's up, Shelby?
Speaker 3 (00:12):
What's up? How you doing?
Speaker 4 (00:13):
We're doing great?
Speaker 1 (00:14):
I mean you're dropping off all right, just kidding.
Speaker 4 (00:17):
I've said best hands in the game.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
You roped hands in the league.
Speaker 5 (00:20):
Baby.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
You can't tell him when I got the butterfingers. Baby,
we know how to do this.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
It's good to see you, Dave, my friend. How are you?
Speaker 4 (00:26):
You don't live the dream. It's good to see Shelby.
Speaker 5 (00:29):
Saw him, saw him in the halls before we uh
ventured into the studio, before we.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Go too far. I just wanted to do a check.
Did you see the final of that Bill's Ravens game.
I don't know if you noticed that the Bills they
closed that one out.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Yeah, so you you did hit.
Speaker 5 (00:45):
One of the underdog, even though they were a point
and a half underdog.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
We we said, what do we say?
Speaker 2 (00:51):
We said, I took the Bills, you took the Ravens
For lunch.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Oh is that is that?
Speaker 5 (00:56):
Let me let me think about that. Is that really
what we said? You know what, if you approve of that,
I have witnesses.
Speaker 6 (01:03):
I have been terrify them. Subway nothing wrong, subway, the
wrong subway. Yeah, I heard the danger, which.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Is pretty good. I did take Baltimore.
Speaker 5 (01:17):
So let me ask you, man, you're still playing I did.
I think I did take Baltimore Baltimore.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
I did.
Speaker 5 (01:22):
I watched the game. I mean seriously, okay, three turnovers.
My man Mark Andrews there dropped the ball. Okay, but
nobody in the right mind who watched that game would
walk away and say, oh, yeah, Buffalo's better team than Baltimore.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Not a chance, not a chance, not a chance.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
You can watch that whole game and just realized that
the Ravens were special. They just can't get over that home.
That's right, because I was a big, big believer that
if the Ravens won that game, they win the Super Bowl,
and I think they're the only team that could knock
off k C.
Speaker 5 (01:51):
That's exactly what I thought. On the weekend. I said,
here goes case again.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Man, you guys doubt and I got Josh Allen. I
can't believe it. What are we doing here? Pulling for
Josh Allen. But I'm just saying, it's like the Brady effect.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
You know, I hate every year everyone said, oh, break.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
He's gonna lose. Break, it's gonna lose.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
But then he does the laws and I said, I'm
not gonna do every homes anymore. Only person I thought
that like that was dynamic enough to beat beat the
Chiefs it was Lamar Jackson, but now it's the Chiefs
until someone proves me wrong.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Sound like Dave. Dave says it all the time.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
Well, I won't, I won't say what I was gonna say,
but he's absolutely right. Well, I mean, I'm watching the
game and I don't know they dug themselves a home.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
It's twenty one to.
Speaker 5 (02:30):
Ten, and I'm thinking, okay, and then all of a sudden,
they start coming on the second half, and I'm like,
they are so good at what they do. I mean,
they can hurt you. They're good enough throwing it, and
they're dominant in the running game. And you know, they've
made some changes on defense, and so I thought they were,
you know, a defense that could rival Kansas City's defense.
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So I said that's the team right there that can
beat Kansas City.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
But I don't. I'm not sure.
Speaker 5 (02:58):
I'm pulling for Josh Allen, but I'm not sure the
bills go to Kansas City.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
But Josh Allen, he just hasn't proved it. How many
times has he had an attempt to take down Kansas
City and the Times and has failed every single time?
And so until he does it, everyone's gonna keep saying.
Mahomes is a guy, and I don't blame him. That's
a that's a tough.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
Kind like Ryan.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
Every time he challenges me in a wager, it seems
lose a lot, but.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
It seems like you lose a lot.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
I'm wrong a lot, but I don't lose.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
I usually don't bet, so I usually find my way
to equivocate around the thing that a very truth. Like
the neo radio, I mad twist my way out every
year your malliable I qualifiers to the point if you
just like forget it, I don't even want I want
part of it. But this is what I got you on.
I got you on this one. I have witnesses that
the thing is, though you didn't say.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
It on the air, so probably listen and you know me,
big boy, I'm gonna go ahead and step up and
say I'm good.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
We go wherever you want to go. Let's do it
that way. Fine, Now we're gonna go to Vegas. All right.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
Oh, I'm gonna buy you lunch in Vegas. Can you
get to buy your ticket there?
Speaker 3 (04:06):
McDonald's and Vegas just as much as McDonald's. They have
vegan restaurants in Vegas.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
We'll find out. Yeah, there you go. Vegetarian. Oh yeah,
what is it for?
Speaker 3 (04:18):
What he's missing out on?
Speaker 4 (04:21):
Born vegetarian? It was a fired taste.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
For for health, we'll let the people know. Please. For health. Yeah,
for cholesterol. Oh, you don't have to.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Worry about that until you turned sixty.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
But it's like there's like things like turkey out there
that that you hate.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
I hate turkey, So it's like you hate turkey.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
It's the worst things giving food ever by far.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
No question.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
You like yardbird, No, you don't like chicken either. I do,
But I'd rather have a steak. Like I'm a big
I'd rather have ridden by any day of the week. Yeah, yeah,
he's good at it. Next, but turkey's gross. They always
will be. I'm a primary guy. For things every year.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
I like Prime. I'm not ever gonna argue it's Prime.
Yer was good. Yeah, I'm with that.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Hey.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
By the way, as we're sorrying about these quarterbacks as
a defensive lineman, Mahomes, Allen and Lamar, which is the
toughest one man.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Truthfully, I gotta go with Lamar just because of what
he does in the pocket and what he does outside
the pocket, and even when you do have him contained,
he finds a way to get loose. And you can
say the same thing about Josh Allen and his rocket
of an arm and Mahomes and the same thing. It's
just that X factor. I don't know if anyone plays
Madden here, but that X factor is always activated for
Lamar Jackson. You can always, he can move, he can
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make anything happen. He makes something out of nothing. And
every other quarterback does it too. It's just the way
Lamar does it and the way he can hurt you.
When you play Josh Allen, when you play at Patrick Mahomes,
you don't necessarily change how you rush as a passers
as you as you were rushing the passer, you don't
change how you rush because you know those guys you
just try keep him contained. When you're playing Lamar Jackson,
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you have to keep him in the pocket. So you're
not you're not You're telling the guys don't run past
the quarterback on the edge. You know, if you're on
the inside, it's more a power rush. Don't try to
hit his edge because if you want to give Lamar
Jackson that gap to get through, that's when something is
going to happen. That's when something happens. That's when those
big plays happen. That's when those eighty yard he scrambles
and throws at fifty yards and Zay Flower runs and
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but that that's when those plays happen. And the same
with Mahomes. Mahomes does it, but he's just very efficient
with it, and like every time he scrambles is to
make a play and he always makes that play. And
Josh Allen he gets in that same same mode. But
then his issue is sometimes it turns into a turnover
in which he's cut down on this year, cut down
a lot on this year. He's lost the Brett Favre
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gunslinger mentality a little bit. But the thing is that
he just has to be able to be consistent, be
that consistent guy. And the the best blessing is they
have a running game. Now they able to run the ball.
It's taking pressure off of them because beginning the season
we kept talking about they didn't have any receivers. You know,
Oh who was there proven guy to let go to?
Stephan Diggs, Gabe Davis went down to Jackson, you know Jackson.
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It was a whole different game. And you know, Josh
Collin went and quiet all the doubters. But if I
had to choose a quarterback who I was afraid to
go against the most? And I played Lamar Jackson twice
a year and I hate that game twice a year.
And that's He's a little he's not the biggest stature
of guy either, but he's hard to bring down. It's
just he does so many things well, it's it's hard
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not to be a Lamar Jackson fan and and a
as a as a peer somebody going against him, I'm
I still that's who I'm putting my money on, Lamar.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
Jackson, I think, I think honestly, even though they wouldn't answer,
but if you pull the chiefs and said, hey, listen,
between the Ravens and the Bills, one of them going
to become a darrowhead this Sunday. Who We're not gonna
tell anybody your answer, who would you rather deal with?
My guess would be as a staff, and the majority
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of players would say, we'd we'd rather deal with Buffalo. Now,
I think I think with Shelby said, it's true. I
think Buffalo, because they've cut down Josh is really taking
care of the ball. They don't turn it over. I'm
a big James Cook fan. They you know they now
they're content trying to maulle you every now and then.
Let Cook do his thing you always have on any
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kind of zone read. Look, you've got an athlete at
quarterback who's the two hundred and forty plus pound guy.
So you can have a guy there with Lamar, he
can shake you and you miss. And sometimes with a
guy like Josh, you know, you just can't get him
on the ground. He's as big as you're outside linebackers.
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So I think it's going to be a really good matchup.
The I think the Chiefs defense is the best that
Mahomes has had since he's been on this run.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
And conversely, you.
Speaker 5 (08:51):
Know, Buffalo defensively, they got their linebackers back and maybe
it was just a tough matchup. But in the second half,
the Ravens dominate the Buffalo defense period. So you know,
I'm pulling for Buffalo, pulling for Josh Allen to go
for the first time, but I it's you know, it's
going to be a hard thing to do.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
It's fascinating that you said that you thought the Ravens
maybe had the better chance to beat the Kansas City Chiefs.
I don't trust the Ravens play calling in the postseason.
For whatever reason, Todd Monkin gets in this mindset of like, hey,
we're going to just switch everything up.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
We've been so dominant on the ground.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
We say about Buffalo, well.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
I mean the first half specifically, they didn't barely use
Derrick Henry, Like Derek Henry was like a non factor
in the first half of a Buffalo game. Second half
they started finally getting into the run game and they
had that one long drive where it ended up working out.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
But the fact is they just do these things. They
did it last year against Kansas City where they just decided, hey,
we're going to.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
Be a passing team first.
Speaker 5 (09:49):
Well, I think on that in that regard, I think
Lamar decided I'm going to try to win from the
pocket from what I've been told, And there were plays
that he could have made last year with his legs
in that game that he just said, I almost stand
in here and throw it. So I agree with that,
But I mean, the Ravens have always been I mean,
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it's been Derrick Henry in the second half, and he's
been a guy that has been a second half monster.
He's you know, that way in the first half to
a certain extent, but they wear you down.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
They just keep pounding, and you started to see that.
Speaker 5 (10:22):
I didn't think there was anything wrong with Todd Monkin's
game plan. You can't game plan, Lamar. You know whether
the receiver on the first pick, I mean, he ran
a corner route, but you got to take that thing steeper,
and he basically ran an outcut. I don't remember which
receiver might have been.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Seven.
Speaker 5 (10:44):
And then and then Lamar, trying to make something happen
in the pockets, got the ball in one hand and
so Buffalo picks it up and Vohn goes down to
the ten.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
Well, you gotta lose. You gotta lose if you do
that in a playoff game.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Well, Lamar's what this was trying to do too much.
He just needed to be Lamar. You needed to be
the person that got them there in the first place.
You know you're doing too much, shaken and and you
just started to forget who you are. And like like
Ryan said, though, every year in the playoffs, though, it
kind of seems like it's the same same story. You know,
Lamar did get there, and then Lamar Jackson suddenly doesn't
do what Lamar Jackson does, or you get there, they're
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like they did, and you don't run the ball with
Derrick Henry like you're supposed to. And half exactly how
many carries out hold on you didn't know. I know
he didn't have that many carries, but then also he
didn't end the game with I think he ended the
game with less than twenty carries.
Speaker 5 (11:32):
I would say this, I don't know how many offensive
snaps Baltimore had in the first half because they had
a turnover. I mean, so Buffalo in essence, on the
two turnovers, you steal two possessions. So I'd go back
and it really am not trying to set you up.
I'd like to know how many snaps the Ravens had.
I would think the Bills had quite a few more.
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So you can't really get into what you want to
do if if you don't have the ball.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Well, talking turnovers, you got to think that one fumble
that Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
Now they were going into the red zone, you know
they were.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
And so you don't just lose the ball, you're losing
guaranteed like three points at least, And Justin Tucker seemed
like he found his form later in the year, So
you got to assume that's three points right there, and
you know, you keep losing those points like that, that's
how you lose the game.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
The Ravens had twenty eight snaps at half and they
finished with fifty seven, so nine yeah, yeah, so that's
what they ended up doing.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
They were all more efficient obviously.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
How many Bills have half and no just snaps, oh snaps.
They had fifty nine.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Also been Buffo's doing what they need to do is
definitely I'm saying, like Buffalo does what they need to do.
Lamar Jackson off the field, and that's how you beat
the Ravens. You keep Lamar Jackson off the field. And
and that's exactly what Buffalo did. And and you know,
obviously with the turnovers, and you know Von Miller making
their appearance, it looked like Venja's vine.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Look at me looking fast up, glorious, sort of after.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
The game waiting. I said, you gonna pull a hamstring
right here.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
You I'm worried about that too.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
He looked like Kelsey making them move in little fields
in their playoff game. They're running the goal line. I'm like, okay,
by the time is done, hopped right on your back.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
He still got that quickness. A long strong does have
good quickness.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
He said, I shouldn't have started in the second gear.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
He's like, I got picked.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
At the ball and I went straight into second gear.
He's like, I should have started in first. Really ramped
my way up.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
And then he's like, I looking for the scoreboard and
I saw five white jerseys surrounding me, and he's like,
all I did is just hole.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Onto the ball.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
So yeah, I mean, that's it's gonna happen at what
fifteen years into your career.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
But love to see it. A Von Miller siding. You know,
just the way his career is going, with the injuries
and stuff, for him to be in a position to
go back to the Super Bowl, you know, even and
that's that's what you love to see, especially as a
as a player now like you love to see your
former teammates going in and be successful other places, especially
where you know, obviously Cleveland, we weren't the greatest. We
won three games, and so I'm just I'm happy for
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all of my guys in success because obviously we weren't
happy this year. But you know, Vin making that appearance,
he's becoming more of a dominant pass rusher again. He's
getting his twitch back and and and that's the way
that Buffalo is going to have to beat Kansas City.
And this is what has been shown throughout throughout the years.
Without Mahomes, you have to hit him. You have to
hit them consistently. And with that old line, who knows
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they leave thrown me out at tackle if they if
they bring Humphries back and put them at tackle and
move throw back to guard. But man, if you can
get some pressure on Mahomes and with their OFFENSEIP being
as explosives as it is, obviously have zavior worthy. But
you're still not seeing those deep shots how you used
to see what type to Tyreek kill to me, Coole Hartman,
you know those deep shots So if you can just
rain and in and keep the run game under control
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with the two handed monster of Pacheco and cream Hunt,
then that's when you have the chances to beat them.
But once again, it's a lot of IFFs in order
to beat Mahomes, a lot of ifs. And then also
you just have man the Kelsey factor. Not the fastest guy,
not the twitches guy, but he just somehow finds a
way to get open every play and whatever things break
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down he's looking for, he's looking for and Kelsey comes
through every time. And I know we were talking about
he was having, you know, a down year, but he
seems to be playing his best when it really matters.
And that's and that's the that's the opinion of the
Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
I think two things here. Again.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
I believe this is the best defense that Patrick Mahomes
has had in his career.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
And he's already won three Super Bowls. So even though
they haven't.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
Been as as electrifyed on offense, they haven't been as
big play dominant, they've been Okay, I mean the game
against Houston, that was the first time in NFL history
in the playoffs that a team got out gained by
over one hundred yards, and the team that outgained their
opponent had zero turnovers and lost the game. First time
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in NFL history. Kansas City had two hundred and twelve.
I believe totally yurts, and yet they find a way
to win. They block, they block a field goal. That
defense is real. So to beat them, I mean, you
gotta deal. You've got to deal with the defense. And
that's where I would I would have thought Lamar and
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Derrick Henry and some of the things they do can
give that defense a little bit of pause. Now, Josh
Allen has again an ability really to make things happen
with his feet, and they they will run it with
power and they'll be patient with James Cook. But to me,
Buffalo has to hit some big plays in the passing
game when the safety comes down, when they start running
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the ball. And then Kansas City Spagnola is not gonna
sit there and let you just chunk them. He's gonna
he's gonna come after you. So I think it's gonna
be a heck of a game. I think Buffalo can win,
but I would lean Kansas City.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
It's the best rusher is that Kansas City has had
the best passors they've had since the Frank Clark, carloftis
Chris in there, but they're really a men and who's
over really coming into his own becoming a great player,
a great pastor, sure, but that's what Kansas City is now. There.
They're pass rushers and they and their goal is to
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get you behind and makes you just only have to
throw the ball and let the guys just go eat.
And that's what they've been do with. Chris Jones is
probably one of the best g tackles next to Aaron
Donald that we've seen in the last decade or two.
So when you have guys like that up front, Carloutus
is really coming into his own. You know, he had
eight sacks and uh and during the season and then
we had three as we end. And that's Kansas City ball. Now,
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Kansas City ball is not necessarily all we're going to
outscore you, because even when we played them in Cleveland,
they didn't score all these points. They won that game
on defense. They shot our offense down and they really
you know, they only scored a couple of times, but
it makes it that your offense is struggling and it
lets the guys those those dogs up front, just go
out there and pass rush, relentless aggression and just take
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over the game. And if you let a guy an
all pro like Chris Jones, you let him know it's
a pass every played, he's going to eat. He's gonna eat,
and he's gonna eat. He's gonna embarrass your old lineman.
And that's just what you want because he's the type
of guy who's going to make you change your game plan.
You have to game play these guys. And so it's
it's it's crazy, but you know, like they've said, Kansas
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City's defense is really doing it all and and this
is we've been going through the whole year of when
Different almost beat them and they had the black cook
the offense. Can City offense was struggling that whole game.
It was a defensive battle between both both teams. And
so this Kansas City team has a whole different identity,
but it's kind of seems like this one that can
lead them back to the super Bowl. You know, we
always talk about defense wins championships, and finally Kansas City
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is relying on their defense to get them.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
There well, and it certainly helps that if Patrick Mahomes
has a late slide, he gets a little bit of
extra health there, he gets maybe he decides to not
run out of bounds the defense who has to kind
of pull up, And I mean those kinds of things
do help also the year for a.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Second, you know what needs to happen in the league
because obviously we're seeing guy we see Josh Allen. Do
we see the Pat Mahomes? Do we saw Kenny Picktt
and college play with the play with it too, with
the fake slide? How are we going to change the
game in order to make it that it's a fair
game for everybody, because, like you said, when we get
to Sundays in the playoffs, we're tired of the rest
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deciding games. We're tired of Mahomes trying to bake calls,
and we want we just want to see the best team.
So do you start punishing these teams for your quarterback
making plays like that? Or are you just going to
keep letting it go? Because obviously the fans are fed
up with it, other teams are fed up with it,
and so you have to assume when the rules committee,
when that meeting happens again, it's going to be another
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it's going to be a conversation about whether the faith
slides the tiptoe on the sideline. You know, is that legal?
Is that not legal? Now? Because obviously the league cares
about his money. It's all about the revenue, and it's
all about the idea of we need these quarterbacks to
be healthy. That's why we can't land on quarterbacks anymore.
And you have all these new rules down for quarterbacks.
But now I think we've kind of gone overboard. And
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where now these quarterbacks know how to exploit these rules
for personal gameword in which we see the Mahomes the
Josh Allen's do and they get the calls for it.
And so how do you fix this?
Speaker 5 (20:06):
I know we got to take a break, but I
would say this, you know, might be as simple as
putting a rule in.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
It would be subjective, for sure.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
But if I'm the official and I'm the referee, and
I see Pat Mahomes break contain and in my judgment
he doesn't get down soon or not, you got to
make these guys get down sooner.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
So how do you do that? Well?
Speaker 5 (20:32):
You you let if you don't get down and that
defensive player does not have a chance to hold up
because they're taught to hold up. But if it doesn't
have a chance to hold up, and I deem it
that you didn't get down soon enough, we're letting that
play go. All that has to happen, seriously, is one
of these cats to take one like right in the pile,
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and I don't want to see him injured. But they
get lit up to the point like in his mind
it'll be like, oh no, I'm not. I'll make sure
I get down sooner next time. I can tell you
as a wide receiving a different era for sure. But
if you think there's danger at times, you got to
you gotta have your head on a swivel. I promise you.
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They'll all slide quicker.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
You start having these owners come in and say, hey,
you are an investment. That's right to get your that's
your let down and save yourself.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
We're off really here on a Tuesday, Shelby Harris in
studio this hour, Chance one one thousand dollars coming up
the next five minutes thanks to Stanbrick Dental Group.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
Over right back at Kay.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Yeah, Joe Buck and Troy Aikman did not like the
way that game was called. On Saturday, welcome back, Dave Logan, Shelby, Harris,
Ryan Edwards with you five six six nine zero r
KWA common spirit heal text line. So just to follow
up on that conversation a little bit further with you Shelby,
because I, again I don't know what the answer ultimately
is what the league allot to do. I do hear
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a lot of discussion about using replay assist on some
of these things, and I think there's a growing like,
look at this, like, hey, can we review these calls?
Because the tough thing is And they had the VP
of Officiating on the very next day on the NFL
network and he of course backed every single call that
was on the field because he's going to back every
single call that's on the field. But replay assists in
those moments feels valuable. When two Texans players collide their
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heads over Patrick Mahomes and they barely touch that dude,
that's a replay assists should say no, no, no, no, we
need to pick up that flag. What is for you
as a defensive player, I mean, what are you supposed
to do?
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Man's And that's where the league has to come in
and make it clear because it's a lot of gray
area for a lot of people. But if we're going
to do this replay assist, actually use the replay assist.
You know, it's a you can't have it in playoff
games where two players, two players on the same team,
hit hit each other in the head, the quarterbacks under
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it and you throw the flag. That's an easy situation
where you should be able to you know that New
York or anyone should be able to call down and
be like, that's not a flag, let it go, like
because we do it for other situations, right, So it's
another situation where you're thinking, not in the in the
off season, they're going to have to go to the
rule book and to the rules committee and figure this out.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
But you know, we're always talking about.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
The pace of play. We don't want to slow it
down too much. And you got teams like you know,
we're talking about Washington later, but Washington they do a
lot of no huddle, a lot of no huddles. So
you can get caught with a team like that if
you're trying to call down and change change the penalty,
they're already on the ball about this tops the ball.
So it has to be a more efficient way to
get this done. But for some reason, why does it
seem like it's only the Chiefs to get the benefit
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from these rules. I know I'm not the only one
thinking this that it's always the Chiefs that we come
out and be like, ah, they can't do that. You know,
they're not supposed to be. Remember when Spags called the
time out, we're doing that, you know what I mean,
it's only the head coach. You know, only the head
coach can really call time out. So out of all
the coaches, so you know, it's always the Chiefs to
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figure out a way to you know, slide through all
these rules, figure out a way around these rules. But
there has to be something done this because it's changing
the way that defensive players play. When a quarterback runs
to the sideline, you never see a defensive player run
full speed through your chest because you're assuming it's going
to be a penalty because they're gonna last second step
out of bound, which he yes, yeah exactly. Or if
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you don't come full speed, what will you do tiptoe
up the sideline until someone actually does push him out.
And that's that's unfair for a defensive player because we
get we don't just get flagged, we get fined, They're coming.
They go on our checkbooks for that because of a
quarterback's decision. And just like you can think about other
things as in like a defensive play defenseless player. When
when a quarterback throws a ball to receiver it across
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the middle of the field, why is it on the
defender to protect him. Shouldn't it be on the quarterback
to protect his receiver. You're throwing him into a position
where he's going to get slaughtered, like slaughtered, and he does,
and then when it does happen, it's the defensive player's fault.
I've heard Tom Brady mentioned this a bunch of times.
So that's another thing where the rules that they should
the World Committee needs to look and stop penalizing defensive
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players for offensive players from stakes.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
I know you as a wide receiver from wide receiver
probably agree with that that it's me.
Speaker 5 (25:09):
That's why I walk a little slow these days when
when they hear the word slaughter. I think back to
the mid seventies to the mid eighties, it was a
you know, and you and I have talked about this.
It was it was a different time, yes, And if
if going.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Across the middle had a different meaning.
Speaker 5 (25:24):
Oh, I mean for every wide receiver and especially the
very few that look like me. All right, I'm just
being real about this. It's like, okay, all right, going
to take you out. Yeah, yeah, we're good.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
You know.
Speaker 5 (25:37):
That's that's when I first I first had to figure out, like,
what exactly does the term mister cracker mean?
Speaker 4 (25:44):
So, you know, but I found out quickly and I
would respond.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Well, you ate saltines and cyberd Yeah, yeah, I know.
Speaker 6 (25:53):
That's books you known for doing that.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (25:56):
Well no, I think that I understand one to keep
quarterbacks he healthy. But I think I think, you know,
I think I think it's been taken too far, and
the league, I think would benefit from just stepping back
and letting football people look at some of these rules
and try to come up with a better way. I'm
not trying to get quarterbacks hurt. I know quarterbacks. You know, teams,
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if you lose your starting quarterback, that's a big deal.
It's a big deal for the team, it's a big
deal for the people to follow the team TV. I
get it. I get all of that. But I think
Shelby's right in that regard. You've got other guys that
are more easily replaceable that the league doesn't look out.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
For nearly as much.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
So all I'm saying is make those quarterbacks get down sooner.
You can make it a subjective call. You can talk
in the offseason about changing the rule, and then then
they send people to every single training camp and they
talk about we're changing this rule. Quarterbacks are pretty smart
for the most part. I mean, they're going to know, like, Okay,
when I run, I'm not going to take it as far.
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I mean, get down in a yard or two earlier.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
Okay, so you.
Speaker 5 (27:06):
Got a r or two more to gain. Yeah, on
second or third. Now, if you want to go for it,
go head first, go head first. But I who knows
that the league will do that, because the league gets
very very set in their ways, and sometimes honestly, the
league thinks it's smarter than the people who make up
the league.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
You brought a pace of play.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Rich eisen I Guess on his show a couple of
days ago said that this Smiths yesterday he said that
they should make every fifteen yard penalty reviewable, And you know,
so you have this kind of reaction, I'm like, you
know what I mean, it's about getting it right. But
the problem I have with it kind of like when
they started reviewing DPI right or past interference.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
I just feel like there are more times than not
they're going.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
To just back the call in the field because on
those two hits to Homes right, Yeah, I mean, there
was a grays of the helmet right in the midst
of all of the action. It wasn't forcible like was
being described, but there's a graze to the helmet, and
they're going to take a look at it and say,
you know, no, piggy finger. I mean it very clearly
touched the side of his helmet that that's forcible contact.
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Because that's Patrick Mahomes we're talking about here. Everything is forcible.
Did you see him.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
Flailing his arms on the sideline by the way.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Oh my god, I could not believe.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
I mean I can, I can believe it.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
But when he got pushed like barely dudged, what do
you expect his arms in the air.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
I wouldn't be surprised. You see Kelsey in Hollywood already,
you go to see my Homes in Hollywood, But what
do you expect if you know it's going to be
a first down in a fifteen yard penowty, I'm coaching that.
I'm coaching. Hey, if I'm a quarter if you're a
quarterback and they hit you a little too hard and
we're in a gray area, make it seem like he
just went all out. Because now at this point, it's
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it's an advantage of the offense.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Did you ever see those inflatable things at the side
of the road or the cused car things.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
That's what it was like slopping it in the NBA.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
That's what it is.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
Yes, my did you not believe? I mean, he's out there, but.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Still it's it's but it's just not acceptable because we're
talking about a contact sports. I know, and I say
how how? And that's where I guess the normal fan
is like, how can you flop in a contact sport?
But we're seeing it, we're seeing it every week. But
until there's something that punishes that, you're going to keep seeing,
just like we've had the issue now with basketball becoming
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you know, almost unwatchable. It's because of offense and the
lack of defense. And back then it was all the
flopping and talking, you know, everything that we're talking about
now in in the NFL, we don't want that to
happen in.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
To the NFL.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
We don't want people to stop watching because of because
of bs, you know, flops and calls that are changing
playoff fans. We want we want the fans to watch
and watch good football. And I think you know what
Dave said, if you're going to if you're going to
be a quarterback and you want to get those extra
yard or two, put your head down and go get it.
Don't don't sit here and rely on the reds to
bail you out, you know, get it or don't try to,
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you know, do some some you know trickery to go
get go get it, Like Josh, you're big enough, go
get it, you know what I mean. And that's the
thing is like Josh Allen, Like that's the quarterback where
you you know you're you're lose if you're trying to
play that game with him.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
He is six five, two forty. He's going to run
you over.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
If you think he's going to run out of the
bounds and you just run up there with your arms down,
He's going to run it over. He's gonna make you
a Sports Center highlight. And and that's what that's not
what any of us want and with these quarterbacks getting biggered,
these quarteracks cans Stroma. You have to Jalen Hurts, you
have to Josh Allen's And then you have Lamar Jackson
who's strong, very strong, and it's not that it takes
more than one person to take him down. You have
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to protect the defense because if you go in there
as a defender and you expect him to run out
of the bounds and he just puts the shoulder down
and runs through your chest, you know you might be an.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
Injury port next week.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
You know who never flops in the NBA?
Speaker 3 (30:48):
N No, you know what they Hey, he doesn't care.
He's gonna go try to dunk on you any way
you can. And that's why I love about it.
Speaker 5 (30:54):
But that's over here, of course, die hard, baby, die hard,
die hard.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
But what do you think about dame there?
Speaker 3 (31:02):
It's starting to work out, and I think the issue
is that people are so quick to you know, you
want results right away. We're in an instant gratification.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
Wherever you're.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
No, no, it's starting to work out because how did
how did the Bucks start? I'm not gonna say we
not part of the team. You're very I was about
but you know, they they started the season out the
way they did ten games of the two and eight
and now look now look at them, they're the fourth
seat in the in the East. Started they've they've literally
been on fire since that first ten game stretch and
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I can't he You can call me apologies if you
want to. I still see greatness in their future. And
anytime that Giannis is on the floor, you have a
chance to win. And that and then adding Dame on
that that that stretches to you know, stretches the floor out.
And then when Chris Middleton coming back and hopefully just
getting healthy and healthier. And then you have Brook Lopez,
who you know, block shots and hits threes in non stop,
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and then got Bobby Portis and and Middleton me got
Bobby Portis and kind of thing come off the bench.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
Don't you wish people are actually watching the NBA as well?
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Five six six nine zeros or Kae Commasbury health text line, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
people texting me, why haven't you asked him about Bonex?
We're going to get the bonex here in just a
matter of moment. I'm letting things marinate a little bit.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
I don't want to.
Speaker 4 (32:20):
Tell ones to say, was there a college football game
last night?
Speaker 2 (32:22):
I did see that, and you know what, that was
an interesting thing that did happen last night, right, there
was a there was a college football game last night.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
Are you Ohio State fan.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
Or you know, not Cleveland? I live in Cleveland now,
so obviously, you know, half the year, I guess I
am Ohio State guy, except I'm always Wisconsin, always always
going to.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
Be almost Wisconsin, Wisconsin.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Yes, what Ohio State? I was cheering for them kind of,
But then you got Lauren Landau over at Notre Dame. True,
you know, you know, got a shout out Lauren land
Out because obviously he made a big difference because that
Notre Dame team looked like a different team they have
years before. But you know, I like Ohio State, like,
I liked everything they stand for and I liked I like,
I like the way they played defense.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
It's rare.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
It's a rare thing to hear somebody publicly besides Kirk
kerb Street, of course, say publicly how much they love
Ohio State.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
But I did that, especially with the Cleveland tie.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
Probably should say something like that, watch.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
Them every week, you know what I mean? I'm in Cleveland,
so I watch them every week, and so you start
to you know, now, after that missing game, you were
a little worried, look all right, like what's really going
on with them? But then I think that's exactly what
they needed obviously. So I got all of my neighbors
in Cleveland are all huge Ohio State fans, and so
that's all we see us, all we hear, is all
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we see. So you know, I'm I'm happy that Ohio
State won, but man, Notre Dame, like that was that
was a great game. It almost became a blowout.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Yeah, I mean Notre Dame opened up with that eighteen
play drive and you're like, Okay, here we go.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
This is that's what you gotta do.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
And then you know, and then Ohio State did, but
they did.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
They let me ask you this though, So seven versus
eight in the College Football Playoffs, these two teams would
not have been here if we were in last year's format.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
So is that, in your opinion, mean it worked?
Speaker 4 (34:06):
It was good twelve teams.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
You liked it or do you say, well, I don't
know necessarily because you could also look at some of
the other teams like Oregon, who probably feels very slighted
by this process.
Speaker 5 (34:17):
I would say it worked. Why would Oregon feel slighted, Well,
the should feel slighted. They ended up have to pay
the second best team in the country.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
Their first game.
Speaker 5 (34:28):
From a talent standpoint, that sometimes happens, they needed to recede.
But Oregon, so, oh, so you would Okay, I'm not
sure I'm ready ready to do that.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
I would.
Speaker 5 (34:37):
I would say to Oregon, you know what you won.
You won the Big Ten, right, and you've got Ohio
State at home. You've already beat him once at home,
even though the second game was not at home. I mean, listen,
I think I think the twelve was good, and I
think the point you made the Ohio State wouldn't have
gotten in because of the lost to Michigan and Notre
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Dame lost to Northern Illinois, and they wouldn't have gotten
in either in previous tournament runs.
Speaker 4 (35:04):
So yeah, I mean I thought.
Speaker 5 (35:05):
I mean, it was about who can get the hottest
down the stretch of the season and into the playoffs,
who's playing the best ball in Ohio State. When they
came out and did what they did to Tennessee, I mean,
you already knew that they were talented right when they
did what.
Speaker 4 (35:20):
They did Tennessee.
Speaker 5 (35:22):
Tennessee's got some NFL dudes fun on defense. But when
they did that, I know, they played in Columbus. Then
they went to the Rose Bowl and just completely hammered
or right there, I'm thinking, Okay, you're gonna have to
be pretty damn good to beat this team.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
Man. I just see Ohio State. They definitely benefited from
the new the new structure, because I used they wouldn't
have they wouldn't have been in. But I just still
believe Oregon got screwed by the new structure because I
think obviously you talking about.
Speaker 4 (35:56):
Why did they get why? Why do you believe that too?
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Because they they needed to receive There's no reason why
they should have been playing.
Speaker 5 (36:03):
Nobody's ever talked about receding and just being part of it.
That was never even an option because Oregon got boat raced, Yes,
got boat race by Ohio State.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (36:13):
Man, I mean you know what, playing the big boys
and find a way to beat them, you beat them once,
you beat them once.
Speaker 4 (36:21):
Situation.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
It's a situation where I think the bye week comes
in bites in the butt, you know, and you see
all everything that had a bye week, struggled and laws after,
you know, after they had to play. So the bye
week in college, that's a long time of not playing.
That's something the NFL players struggle with. You know, you
always hear stats about teams after you against the bye week. Yeah,
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I think I think if you live with that, I think,
if you want to do it, I think there shouldn't
be a bye week because also there's no reason why
the National Championship Game should be getting played in the
middle of the NFL playoffs. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (36:54):
Well, I mean the the bye week was intended to
be like a plus for the teams the.
Speaker 4 (36:59):
Top four, right, because you can get a little bit healthy.
Speaker 5 (37:02):
And but but Shelby's point is well, taking in terms
of the length of time that you're actually off, and
how do you keep those guys. You don't want to
keep them peaked. So basically it sort of start over,
you know, practice, and then then you work towards the
peak of the first game. But I absolutely positively do
not think Oregon got screwed.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
Iharn't.
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Speaker 2 (00:01):
Five six six nine zeros are kawai commaspry. He'll text
line if you want to interact with the program. Dave Logan, Ryan.
That was Shelby freaking Harris as you heard that highlight
there the best hands in the game.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
What's up, Shelby?
Speaker 3 (00:12):
What's up? How you doing?
Speaker 4 (00:13):
We're doing great?
Speaker 1 (00:14):
I mean you're dropping off all right, just kidding.
Speaker 4 (00:17):
I've said best hands in the game.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
You roped hands in the league.
Speaker 5 (00:20):
Baby.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
You can't tell him when I got the butterfingers. Baby,
we know how to do this.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
It's good to see you, Dave, my friend. How are you?
Speaker 4 (00:26):
You don't live the dream. It's good to see Shelby.
Speaker 5 (00:29):
Saw him, saw him in the halls before we uh
ventured into the studio, before we.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Go too far. I just wanted to do a check.
Did you see the final of that Bill's Ravens game.
I don't know if you noticed that the Bills they
closed that one out.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Yeah, so you you did hit.
Speaker 5 (00:45):
One of the underdog, even though they were a point
and a half underdog.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
We we said, what do we say?
Speaker 2 (00:51):
We said, I took the Bills, you took the Ravens
For lunch.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Oh is that is that?
Speaker 5 (00:56):
Let me let me think about that. Is that really
what we said? You know what, if you approve of that,
I have witnesses.
Speaker 6 (01:03):
I have been terrify them. Subway nothing wrong, subway, the
wrong subway. Yeah, I heard the danger, which.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Is pretty good. I did take Baltimore.
Speaker 5 (01:17):
So let me ask you, man, you're still playing I did.
I think I did take Baltimore Baltimore.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
I did.
Speaker 5 (01:22):
I watched the game. I mean seriously, okay, three turnovers.
My man Mark Andrews there dropped the ball. Okay, but
nobody in the right mind who watched that game would
walk away and say, oh, yeah, Buffalo's better team than Baltimore.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Not a chance, not a chance, not a chance.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
You can watch that whole game and just realized that
the Ravens were special. They just can't get over that home.
That's right, because I was a big, big believer that
if the Ravens won that game, they win the Super Bowl,
and I think they're the only team that could knock
off k C.
Speaker 5 (01:51):
That's exactly what I thought. On the weekend. I said,
here goes case again.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Man, you guys doubt and I got Josh Allen. I
can't believe it. What are we doing here? Pulling for
Josh Allen. But I'm just saying, it's like the Brady effect.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
You know, I hate every year everyone said, oh, break.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
He's gonna lose. Break, it's gonna lose.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
But then he does the laws and I said, I'm
not gonna do every homes anymore. Only person I thought
that like that was dynamic enough to beat beat the
Chiefs it was Lamar Jackson, but now it's the Chiefs
until someone proves me wrong.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Sound like Dave. Dave says it all the time.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
Well, I won't, I won't say what I was gonna say,
but he's absolutely right. Well, I mean, I'm watching the
game and I don't know they dug themselves a home.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
It's twenty one to.
Speaker 5 (02:30):
Ten, and I'm thinking, okay, and then all of a sudden,
they start coming on the second half, and I'm like,
they are so good at what they do. I mean,
they can hurt you. They're good enough throwing it, and
they're dominant in the running game. And you know, they've
made some changes on defense, and so I thought they were,
you know, a defense that could rival Kansas City's defense.
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So I said that's the team right there that can
beat Kansas City.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
But I don't. I'm not sure.
Speaker 5 (02:58):
I'm pulling for Josh Allen, but I'm not sure the
bills go to Kansas City.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
But Josh Allen, he just hasn't proved it. How many
times has he had an attempt to take down Kansas
City and the Times and has failed every single time?
And so until he does it, everyone's gonna keep saying.
Mahomes is a guy, and I don't blame him. That's
a that's a tough.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
Kind like Ryan.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
Every time he challenges me in a wager, it seems
lose a lot, but.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
It seems like you lose a lot.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
I'm wrong a lot, but I don't lose.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
I usually don't bet, so I usually find my way
to equivocate around the thing that a very truth. Like
the neo radio, I mad twist my way out every
year your malliable I qualifiers to the point if you
just like forget it, I don't even want I want
part of it. But this is what I got you on.
I got you on this one. I have witnesses that
the thing is, though you didn't say.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
It on the air, so probably listen and you know me,
big boy, I'm gonna go ahead and step up and
say I'm good.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
We go wherever you want to go. Let's do it
that way. Fine, Now we're gonna go to Vegas. All right.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
Oh, I'm gonna buy you lunch in Vegas. Can you
get to buy your ticket there?
Speaker 3 (04:06):
McDonald's and Vegas just as much as McDonald's. They have
vegan restaurants in Vegas.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
We'll find out. Yeah, there you go. Vegetarian. Oh yeah,
what is it for?
Speaker 3 (04:18):
What he's missing out on?
Speaker 4 (04:21):
Born vegetarian? It was a fired taste.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
For for health, we'll let the people know. Please. For health. Yeah,
for cholesterol. Oh, you don't have to.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Worry about that until you turned sixty.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
But it's like there's like things like turkey out there
that that you hate.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
I hate turkey, So it's like you hate turkey.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
It's the worst things giving food ever by far.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
No question.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
You like yardbird, No, you don't like chicken either. I do,
But I'd rather have a steak. Like I'm a big
I'd rather have ridden by any day of the week. Yeah, yeah,
he's good at it. Next, but turkey's gross. They always
will be. I'm a primary guy. For things every year.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
I like Prime. I'm not ever gonna argue it's Prime.
Yer was good. Yeah, I'm with that.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Hey.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
By the way, as we're sorrying about these quarterbacks as
a defensive lineman, Mahomes, Allen and Lamar, which is the
toughest one man.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Truthfully, I gotta go with Lamar just because of what
he does in the pocket and what he does outside
the pocket, and even when you do have him contained,
he finds a way to get loose. And you can
say the same thing about Josh Allen and his rocket
of an arm and Mahomes and the same thing. It's
just that X factor. I don't know if anyone plays
Madden here, but that X factor is always activated for
Lamar Jackson. You can always, he can move, he can
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make anything happen. He makes something out of nothing. And
every other quarterback does it too. It's just the way
Lamar does it and the way he can hurt you.
When you play Josh Allen, when you play at Patrick Mahomes,
you don't necessarily change how you rush as a passers
as you as you were rushing the passer, you don't
change how you rush because you know those guys you
just try keep him contained. When you're playing Lamar Jackson,
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you have to keep him in the pocket. So you're
not you're not You're telling the guys don't run past
the quarterback on the edge. You know, if you're on
the inside, it's more a power rush. Don't try to
hit his edge because if you want to give Lamar
Jackson that gap to get through, that's when something is
going to happen. That's when something happens. That's when those
big plays happen. That's when those eighty yard he scrambles
and throws at fifty yards and Zay Flower runs and
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but that that's when those plays happen. And the same
with Mahomes. Mahomes does it, but he's just very efficient
with it, and like every time he scrambles is to
make a play and he always makes that play. And
Josh Allen he gets in that same same mode. But
then his issue is sometimes it turns into a turnover
in which he's cut down on this year, cut down
a lot on this year. He's lost the Brett Favre
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gunslinger mentality a little bit. But the thing is that
he just has to be able to be consistent, be
that consistent guy. And the the best blessing is they
have a running game. Now they able to run the ball.
It's taking pressure off of them because beginning the season
we kept talking about they didn't have any receivers. You know,
Oh who was there proven guy to let go to?
Stephan Diggs, Gabe Davis went down to Jackson, you know Jackson.
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It was a whole different game. And you know, Josh
Collin went and quiet all the doubters. But if I
had to choose a quarterback who I was afraid to
go against the most? And I played Lamar Jackson twice
a year and I hate that game twice a year.
And that's He's a little he's not the biggest stature
of guy either, but he's hard to bring down. It's
just he does so many things well, it's it's hard
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not to be a Lamar Jackson fan and and a
as a as a peer somebody going against him, I'm
I still that's who I'm putting my money on, Lamar.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
Jackson, I think, I think honestly, even though they wouldn't answer,
but if you pull the chiefs and said, hey, listen,
between the Ravens and the Bills, one of them going
to become a darrowhead this Sunday. Who We're not gonna
tell anybody your answer, who would you rather deal with?
My guess would be as a staff, and the majority
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of players would say, we'd we'd rather deal with Buffalo. Now,
I think I think with Shelby said, it's true. I
think Buffalo, because they've cut down Josh is really taking
care of the ball. They don't turn it over. I'm
a big James Cook fan. They you know they now
they're content trying to maulle you every now and then.
Let Cook do his thing you always have on any
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kind of zone read. Look, you've got an athlete at
quarterback who's the two hundred and forty plus pound guy.
So you can have a guy there with Lamar, he
can shake you and you miss. And sometimes with a
guy like Josh, you know, you just can't get him
on the ground. He's as big as you're outside linebackers.
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So I think it's going to be a really good matchup.
The I think the Chiefs defense is the best that
Mahomes has had since he's been on this run.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
And conversely, you.
Speaker 5 (08:51):
Know, Buffalo defensively, they got their linebackers back and maybe
it was just a tough matchup. But in the second half,
the Ravens dominate the Buffalo defense period. So you know,
I'm pulling for Buffalo, pulling for Josh Allen to go
for the first time, but I it's you know, it's
going to be a hard thing to do.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
It's fascinating that you said that you thought the Ravens
maybe had the better chance to beat the Kansas City Chiefs.
I don't trust the Ravens play calling in the postseason.
For whatever reason, Todd Monkin gets in this mindset of like, hey,
we're going to just switch everything up.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
We've been so dominant on the ground.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
We say about Buffalo, well.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
I mean the first half specifically, they didn't barely use
Derrick Henry, Like Derek Henry was like a non factor
in the first half of a Buffalo game. Second half
they started finally getting into the run game and they
had that one long drive where it ended up working out.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
But the fact is they just do these things. They
did it last year against Kansas City where they just decided, hey,
we're going to.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
Be a passing team first.
Speaker 5 (09:49):
Well, I think on that in that regard, I think
Lamar decided I'm going to try to win from the
pocket from what I've been told, And there were plays
that he could have made last year with his legs
in that game that he just said, I almost stand
in here and throw it. So I agree with that,
But I mean, the Ravens have always been I mean,
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it's been Derrick Henry in the second half, and he's
been a guy that has been a second half monster.
He's you know, that way in the first half to
a certain extent, but they wear you down.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
They just keep pounding, and you started to see that.
Speaker 5 (10:22):
I didn't think there was anything wrong with Todd Monkin's
game plan. You can't game plan, Lamar. You know whether
the receiver on the first pick, I mean, he ran
a corner route, but you got to take that thing steeper,
and he basically ran an outcut. I don't remember which
receiver might have been.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Seven.
Speaker 5 (10:44):
And then and then Lamar, trying to make something happen
in the pockets, got the ball in one hand and
so Buffalo picks it up and Vohn goes down to
the ten.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
Well, you gotta lose. You gotta lose if you do
that in a playoff game.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Well, Lamar's what this was trying to do too much.
He just needed to be Lamar. You needed to be
the person that got them there in the first place.
You know you're doing too much, shaken and and you
just started to forget who you are. And like like
Ryan said, though, every year in the playoffs, though, it
kind of seems like it's the same same story. You know,
Lamar did get there, and then Lamar Jackson suddenly doesn't
do what Lamar Jackson does, or you get there, they're
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like they did, and you don't run the ball with
Derrick Henry like you're supposed to. And half exactly how
many carries out hold on you didn't know. I know
he didn't have that many carries, but then also he
didn't end the game with I think he ended the
game with less than twenty carries.
Speaker 5 (11:32):
I would say this, I don't know how many offensive
snaps Baltimore had in the first half because they had
a turnover. I mean, so Buffalo in essence, on the
two turnovers, you steal two possessions. So I'd go back
and it really am not trying to set you up.
I'd like to know how many snaps the Ravens had.
I would think the Bills had quite a few more.
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So you can't really get into what you want to
do if if you don't have the ball.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Well, talking turnovers, you got to think that one fumble
that Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
Now they were going into the red zone, you know
they were.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
And so you don't just lose the ball, you're losing
guaranteed like three points at least, And Justin Tucker seemed
like he found his form later in the year, So
you got to assume that's three points right there, and
you know, you keep losing those points like that, that's
how you lose the game.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
The Ravens had twenty eight snaps at half and they
finished with fifty seven, so nine yeah, yeah, so that's
what they ended up doing.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
They were all more efficient obviously.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
How many Bills have half and no just snaps, oh snaps.
They had fifty nine.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Also been Buffo's doing what they need to do is
definitely I'm saying, like Buffalo does what they need to do.
Lamar Jackson off the field, and that's how you beat
the Ravens. You keep Lamar Jackson off the field. And
and that's exactly what Buffalo did. And and you know,
obviously with the turnovers, and you know Von Miller making
their appearance, it looked like Venja's vine.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Look at me looking fast up, glorious, sort of after.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
The game waiting. I said, you gonna pull a hamstring
right here.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
You I'm worried about that too.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
He looked like Kelsey making them move in little fields
in their playoff game. They're running the goal line. I'm like, okay,
by the time is done, hopped right on your back.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
He still got that quickness. A long strong does have
good quickness.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
He said, I shouldn't have started in the second gear.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
He's like, I got picked.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
At the ball and I went straight into second gear.
He's like, I should have started in first. Really ramped
my way up.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
And then he's like, I looking for the scoreboard and
I saw five white jerseys surrounding me, and he's like,
all I did is just hole.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Onto the ball.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
So yeah, I mean, that's it's gonna happen at what
fifteen years into your career.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
But love to see it. A Von Miller siding. You know,
just the way his career is going, with the injuries
and stuff, for him to be in a position to
go back to the Super Bowl, you know, even and
that's that's what you love to see, especially as a
as a player now like you love to see your
former teammates going in and be successful other places, especially
where you know, obviously Cleveland, we weren't the greatest. We
won three games, and so I'm just I'm happy for
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all of my guys in success because obviously we weren't
happy this year. But you know, Vin making that appearance,
he's becoming more of a dominant pass rusher again. He's
getting his twitch back and and and that's the way
that Buffalo is going to have to beat Kansas City.
And this is what has been shown throughout throughout the years.
Without Mahomes, you have to hit him. You have to
hit them consistently. And with that old line, who knows
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they leave thrown me out at tackle if they if
they bring Humphries back and put them at tackle and
move throw back to guard. But man, if you can
get some pressure on Mahomes and with their OFFENSEIP being
as explosives as it is, obviously have zavior worthy. But
you're still not seeing those deep shots how you used
to see what type to Tyreek kill to me, Coole Hartman,
you know those deep shots So if you can just
rain and in and keep the run game under control
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with the two handed monster of Pacheco and cream Hunt,
then that's when you have the chances to beat them.
But once again, it's a lot of IFFs in order
to beat Mahomes, a lot of ifs. And then also
you just have man the Kelsey factor. Not the fastest guy,
not the twitches guy, but he just somehow finds a
way to get open every play and whatever things break
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down he's looking for, he's looking for and Kelsey comes
through every time. And I know we were talking about
he was having, you know, a down year, but he
seems to be playing his best when it really matters.
And that's and that's the that's the opinion of the
Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
I think two things here. Again.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
I believe this is the best defense that Patrick Mahomes
has had in his career.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
And he's already won three Super Bowls. So even though
they haven't.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
Been as as electrifyed on offense, they haven't been as
big play dominant, they've been Okay, I mean the game
against Houston, that was the first time in NFL history
in the playoffs that a team got out gained by
over one hundred yards, and the team that outgained their
opponent had zero turnovers and lost the game. First time
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in NFL history. Kansas City had two hundred and twelve.
I believe totally yurts, and yet they find a way
to win. They block, they block a field goal. That
defense is real. So to beat them, I mean, you
gotta deal. You've got to deal with the defense. And
that's where I would I would have thought Lamar and
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Derrick Henry and some of the things they do can
give that defense a little bit of pause. Now, Josh
Allen has again an ability really to make things happen
with his feet, and they they will run it with
power and they'll be patient with James Cook. But to me,
Buffalo has to hit some big plays in the passing
game when the safety comes down, when they start running
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the ball. And then Kansas City Spagnola is not gonna
sit there and let you just chunk them. He's gonna
he's gonna come after you. So I think it's gonna
be a heck of a game. I think Buffalo can win,
but I would lean Kansas City.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
It's the best rusher is that Kansas City has had
the best passors they've had since the Frank Clark, carloftis
Chris in there, but they're really a men and who's
over really coming into his own becoming a great player,
a great pastor, sure, but that's what Kansas City is now. There.
They're pass rushers and they and their goal is to
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get you behind and makes you just only have to
throw the ball and let the guys just go eat.
And that's what they've been do with. Chris Jones is
probably one of the best g tackles next to Aaron
Donald that we've seen in the last decade or two.
So when you have guys like that up front, Carloutus
is really coming into his own. You know, he had
eight sacks and uh and during the season and then
we had three as we end. And that's Kansas City ball. Now,
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Kansas City ball is not necessarily all we're going to
outscore you, because even when we played them in Cleveland,
they didn't score all these points. They won that game
on defense. They shot our offense down and they really
you know, they only scored a couple of times, but
it makes it that your offense is struggling and it
lets the guys those those dogs up front, just go
out there and pass rush, relentless aggression and just take
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over the game. And if you let a guy an
all pro like Chris Jones, you let him know it's
a pass every played, he's going to eat. He's gonna eat,
and he's gonna eat. He's gonna embarrass your old lineman.
And that's just what you want because he's the type
of guy who's going to make you change your game plan.
You have to game play these guys. And so it's
it's it's crazy, but you know, like they've said, Kansas
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City's defense is really doing it all and and this
is we've been going through the whole year of when
Different almost beat them and they had the black cook
the offense. Can City offense was struggling that whole game.
It was a defensive battle between both both teams. And
so this Kansas City team has a whole different identity,
but it's kind of seems like this one that can
lead them back to the super Bowl. You know, we
always talk about defense wins championships, and finally Kansas City
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is relying on their defense to get them.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
There well, and it certainly helps that if Patrick Mahomes
has a late slide, he gets a little bit of
extra health there, he gets maybe he decides to not
run out of bounds the defense who has to kind
of pull up, And I mean those kinds of things
do help also the year for a.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Second, you know what needs to happen in the league
because obviously we're seeing guy we see Josh Allen. Do
we see the Pat Mahomes? Do we saw Kenny Picktt
and college play with the play with it too, with
the fake slide? How are we going to change the
game in order to make it that it's a fair
game for everybody, because, like you said, when we get
to Sundays in the playoffs, we're tired of the rest
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deciding games. We're tired of Mahomes trying to bake calls,
and we want we just want to see the best team.
So do you start punishing these teams for your quarterback
making plays like that? Or are you just going to
keep letting it go? Because obviously the fans are fed
up with it, other teams are fed up with it,
and so you have to assume when the rules committee,
when that meeting happens again, it's going to be another
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it's going to be a conversation about whether the faith
slides the tiptoe on the sideline. You know, is that legal?
Is that not legal? Now? Because obviously the league cares
about his money. It's all about the revenue, and it's
all about the idea of we need these quarterbacks to
be healthy. That's why we can't land on quarterbacks anymore.
And you have all these new rules down for quarterbacks.
But now I think we've kind of gone overboard. And
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where now these quarterbacks know how to exploit these rules
for personal gameword in which we see the Mahomes the
Josh Allen's do and they get the calls for it.
And so how do you fix this?
Speaker 5 (20:06):
I know we got to take a break, but I
would say this, you know, might be as simple as
putting a rule in.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
It would be subjective, for sure.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
But if I'm the official and I'm the referee, and
I see Pat Mahomes break contain and in my judgment
he doesn't get down soon or not, you got to
make these guys get down sooner.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
So how do you do that? Well?
Speaker 5 (20:32):
You you let if you don't get down and that
defensive player does not have a chance to hold up
because they're taught to hold up. But if it doesn't
have a chance to hold up, and I deem it
that you didn't get down soon enough, we're letting that
play go. All that has to happen, seriously, is one
of these cats to take one like right in the pile,
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and I don't want to see him injured. But they
get lit up to the point like in his mind
it'll be like, oh no, I'm not. I'll make sure
I get down sooner next time. I can tell you
as a wide receiving a different era for sure. But
if you think there's danger at times, you got to
you gotta have your head on a swivel. I promise you.
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They'll all slide quicker.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
You start having these owners come in and say, hey,
you are an investment. That's right to get your that's
your let down and save yourself.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
We're off really here on a Tuesday, Shelby Harris in
studio this hour, Chance one one thousand dollars coming up
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Speaker 4 (21:31):
Over right back at Kay.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Yeah, Joe Buck and Troy Aikman did not like the
way that game was called. On Saturday, welcome back, Dave Logan, Shelby, Harris,
Ryan Edwards with you five six six nine zero r
KWA common spirit heal text line. So just to follow
up on that conversation a little bit further with you Shelby,
because I, again I don't know what the answer ultimately
is what the league allot to do. I do hear
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a lot of discussion about using replay assist on some
of these things, and I think there's a growing like,
look at this, like, hey, can we review these calls?
Because the tough thing is And they had the VP
of Officiating on the very next day on the NFL
network and he of course backed every single call that
was on the field because he's going to back every
single call that's on the field. But replay assists in
those moments feels valuable. When two Texans players collide their
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heads over Patrick Mahomes and they barely touch that dude,
that's a replay assists should say no, no, no, no, we
need to pick up that flag. What is for you
as a defensive player, I mean, what are you supposed
to do?
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Man's And that's where the league has to come in
and make it clear because it's a lot of gray
area for a lot of people. But if we're going
to do this replay assist, actually use the replay assist.
You know, it's a you can't have it in playoff
games where two players, two players on the same team,
hit hit each other in the head, the quarterbacks under
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it and you throw the flag. That's an easy situation
where you should be able to you know that New
York or anyone should be able to call down and
be like, that's not a flag, let it go, like
because we do it for other situations, right, So it's
another situation where you're thinking, not in the in the
off season, they're going to have to go to the
rule book and to the rules committee and figure this out.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
But you know, we're always talking about.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
The pace of play. We don't want to slow it
down too much. And you got teams like you know,
we're talking about Washington later, but Washington they do a
lot of no huddle, a lot of no huddles. So
you can get caught with a team like that if
you're trying to call down and change change the penalty,
they're already on the ball about this tops the ball.
So it has to be a more efficient way to
get this done. But for some reason, why does it
seem like it's only the Chiefs to get the benefit
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from these rules. I know I'm not the only one
thinking this that it's always the Chiefs that we come
out and be like, ah, they can't do that. You know,
they're not supposed to be. Remember when Spags called the
time out, we're doing that, you know what I mean,
it's only the head coach. You know, only the head
coach can really call time out. So out of all
the coaches, so you know, it's always the Chiefs to
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figure out a way to you know, slide through all
these rules, figure out a way around these rules. But
there has to be something done this because it's changing
the way that defensive players play. When a quarterback runs
to the sideline, you never see a defensive player run
full speed through your chest because you're assuming it's going
to be a penalty because they're gonna last second step
out of bound, which he yes, yeah exactly. Or if
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you don't come full speed, what will you do tiptoe
up the sideline until someone actually does push him out.
And that's that's unfair for a defensive player because we
get we don't just get flagged, we get fined, They're coming.
They go on our checkbooks for that because of a
quarterback's decision. And just like you can think about other
things as in like a defensive play defenseless player. When
when a quarterback throws a ball to receiver it across
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the middle of the field, why is it on the
defender to protect him. Shouldn't it be on the quarterback
to protect his receiver. You're throwing him into a position
where he's going to get slaughtered, like slaughtered, and he does,
and then when it does happen, it's the defensive player's fault.
I've heard Tom Brady mentioned this a bunch of times.
So that's another thing where the rules that they should
the World Committee needs to look and stop penalizing defensive
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players for offensive players from stakes.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
I know you as a wide receiver from wide receiver
probably agree with that that it's me.
Speaker 5 (25:09):
That's why I walk a little slow these days when
when they hear the word slaughter. I think back to
the mid seventies to the mid eighties, it was a
you know, and you and I have talked about this.
It was it was a different time, yes, And if
if going.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Across the middle had a different meaning.
Speaker 5 (25:24):
Oh, I mean for every wide receiver and especially the
very few that look like me. All right, I'm just
being real about this. It's like, okay, all right, going
to take you out. Yeah, yeah, we're good.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
You know.
Speaker 5 (25:37):
That's that's when I first I first had to figure out, like,
what exactly does the term mister cracker mean?
Speaker 4 (25:44):
So, you know, but I found out quickly and I
would respond.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Well, you ate saltines and cyberd Yeah, yeah, I know.
Speaker 6 (25:53):
That's books you known for doing that.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (25:56):
Well no, I think that I understand one to keep
quarterbacks he healthy. But I think I think, you know,
I think I think it's been taken too far, and
the league, I think would benefit from just stepping back
and letting football people look at some of these rules
and try to come up with a better way. I'm
not trying to get quarterbacks hurt. I know quarterbacks. You know, teams,
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if you lose your starting quarterback, that's a big deal.
It's a big deal for the team, it's a big
deal for the people to follow the team TV. I
get it. I get all of that. But I think
Shelby's right in that regard. You've got other guys that
are more easily replaceable that the league doesn't look out.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
For nearly as much.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
So all I'm saying is make those quarterbacks get down sooner.
You can make it a subjective call. You can talk
in the offseason about changing the rule, and then then
they send people to every single training camp and they
talk about we're changing this rule. Quarterbacks are pretty smart
for the most part. I mean, they're going to know, like, Okay,
when I run, I'm not going to take it as far.
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I mean, get down in a yard or two earlier.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
Okay, so you.
Speaker 5 (27:06):
Got a r or two more to gain. Yeah, on
second or third. Now, if you want to go for it,
go head first, go head first. But I who knows
that the league will do that, because the league gets
very very set in their ways, and sometimes honestly, the
league thinks it's smarter than the people who make up
the league.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
You brought a pace of play.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Rich eisen I Guess on his show a couple of
days ago said that this Smiths yesterday he said that
they should make every fifteen yard penalty reviewable, And you know,
so you have this kind of reaction, I'm like, you
know what I mean, it's about getting it right. But
the problem I have with it kind of like when
they started reviewing DPI right or past interference.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
I just feel like there are more times than not
they're going.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
To just back the call in the field because on
those two hits to Homes right, Yeah, I mean, there
was a grays of the helmet right in the midst
of all of the action. It wasn't forcible like was
being described, but there's a graze to the helmet, and
they're going to take a look at it and say,
you know, no, piggy finger. I mean it very clearly
touched the side of his helmet that that's forcible contact.
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Because that's Patrick Mahomes we're talking about here. Everything is forcible.
Did you see him.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
Flailing his arms on the sideline by the way.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Oh my god, I could not believe.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
I mean I can, I can believe it.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
But when he got pushed like barely dudged, what do
you expect his arms in the air.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
I wouldn't be surprised. You see Kelsey in Hollywood already,
you go to see my Homes in Hollywood, But what
do you expect if you know it's going to be
a first down in a fifteen yard penowty, I'm coaching that.
I'm coaching. Hey, if I'm a quarter if you're a
quarterback and they hit you a little too hard and
we're in a gray area, make it seem like he
just went all out. Because now at this point, it's
(28:49):
it's an advantage of the offense.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Did you ever see those inflatable things at the side
of the road or the cused car things.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
That's what it was like slopping it in the NBA.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
That's what it is.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
Yes, my did you not believe? I mean, he's out there, but.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Still it's it's but it's just not acceptable because we're
talking about a contact sports. I know, and I say
how how? And that's where I guess the normal fan
is like, how can you flop in a contact sport?
But we're seeing it, we're seeing it every week. But
until there's something that punishes that, you're going to keep seeing,
just like we've had the issue now with basketball becoming
(29:21):
you know, almost unwatchable. It's because of offense and the
lack of defense. And back then it was all the
flopping and talking, you know, everything that we're talking about
now in in the NFL, we don't want that to
happen in.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
To the NFL.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
We don't want people to stop watching because of because
of bs, you know, flops and calls that are changing
playoff fans. We want we want the fans to watch
and watch good football. And I think you know what
Dave said, if you're going to if you're going to
be a quarterback and you want to get those extra
yard or two, put your head down and go get it.
Don't don't sit here and rely on the reds to
bail you out, you know, get it or don't try to,
(29:55):
you know, do some some you know trickery to go
get go get it, Like Josh, you're big enough, go
get it, you know what I mean. And that's the
thing is like Josh Allen, Like that's the quarterback where
you you know you're you're lose if you're trying to
play that game with him.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
He is six five, two forty. He's going to run
you over.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
If you think he's going to run out of the
bounds and you just run up there with your arms down,
He's going to run it over. He's gonna make you
a Sports Center highlight. And and that's what that's not
what any of us want and with these quarterbacks getting biggered,
these quarteracks cans Stroma. You have to Jalen Hurts, you
have to Josh Allen's And then you have Lamar Jackson
who's strong, very strong, and it's not that it takes
more than one person to take him down. You have
(30:35):
to protect the defense because if you go in there
as a defender and you expect him to run out
of the bounds and he just puts the shoulder down
and runs through your chest, you know you might be an.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
Injury port next week.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
You know who never flops in the NBA?
Speaker 3 (30:48):
N No, you know what they Hey, he doesn't care.
He's gonna go try to dunk on you any way
you can. And that's why I love about it.
Speaker 5 (30:54):
But that's over here, of course, die hard, baby, die hard,
die hard.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
But what do you think about dame there?
Speaker 3 (31:02):
It's starting to work out, and I think the issue
is that people are so quick to you know, you
want results right away. We're in an instant gratification.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
Wherever you're.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
No, no, it's starting to work out because how did
how did the Bucks start? I'm not gonna say we
not part of the team. You're very I was about
but you know, they they started the season out the
way they did ten games of the two and eight
and now look now look at them, they're the fourth
seat in the in the East. Started they've they've literally
been on fire since that first ten game stretch and
(31:35):
I can't he You can call me apologies if you
want to. I still see greatness in their future. And
anytime that Giannis is on the floor, you have a
chance to win. And that and then adding Dame on
that that that stretches to you know, stretches the floor out.
And then when Chris Middleton coming back and hopefully just
getting healthy and healthier. And then you have Brook Lopez,
who you know, block shots and hits threes in non stop,
(31:56):
and then got Bobby Portis and and Middleton me got
Bobby Portis and kind of thing come off the bench.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
Don't you wish people are actually watching the NBA as well?
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Five six six nine zeros or Kae Commasbury health text line, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
people texting me, why haven't you asked him about Bonex?
We're going to get the bonex here in just a
matter of moment. I'm letting things marinate a little bit.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
I don't want to.
Speaker 4 (32:20):
Tell ones to say, was there a college football game
last night?
Speaker 2 (32:22):
I did see that, and you know what, that was
an interesting thing that did happen last night, right, there
was a there was a college football game last night.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
Are you Ohio State fan.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
Or you know, not Cleveland? I live in Cleveland now,
so obviously, you know, half the year, I guess I
am Ohio State guy, except I'm always Wisconsin, always always
going to.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
Be almost Wisconsin, Wisconsin.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Yes, what Ohio State? I was cheering for them kind of,
But then you got Lauren Landau over at Notre Dame. True,
you know, you know, got a shout out Lauren land
Out because obviously he made a big difference because that
Notre Dame team looked like a different team they have
years before. But you know, I like Ohio State, like,
I liked everything they stand for and I liked I like,
I like the way they played defense.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
It's rare.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
It's a rare thing to hear somebody publicly besides Kirk
kerb Street, of course, say publicly how much they love
Ohio State.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
But I did that, especially with the Cleveland tie.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
Probably should say something like that, watch.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
Them every week, you know what I mean? I'm in Cleveland,
so I watch them every week, and so you start
to you know, now, after that missing game, you were
a little worried, look all right, like what's really going
on with them? But then I think that's exactly what
they needed obviously. So I got all of my neighbors
in Cleveland are all huge Ohio State fans, and so
that's all we see us, all we hear, is all
(33:35):
we see. So you know, I'm I'm happy that Ohio
State won, but man, Notre Dame, like that was that
was a great game. It almost became a blowout.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Yeah, I mean Notre Dame opened up with that eighteen
play drive and you're like, Okay, here we go.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
This is that's what you gotta do.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
And then you know, and then Ohio State did, but
they did.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
They let me ask you this though, So seven versus
eight in the College Football Playoffs, these two teams would
not have been here if we were in last year's format.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
So is that, in your opinion, mean it worked?
Speaker 4 (34:06):
It was good twelve teams.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
You liked it or do you say, well, I don't
know necessarily because you could also look at some of
the other teams like Oregon, who probably feels very slighted
by this process.
Speaker 5 (34:17):
I would say it worked. Why would Oregon feel slighted, Well,
the should feel slighted. They ended up have to pay
the second best team in the country.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
Their first game.
Speaker 5 (34:28):
From a talent standpoint, that sometimes happens, they needed to recede.
But Oregon, so, oh, so you would Okay, I'm not
sure I'm ready ready to do that.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
I would.
Speaker 5 (34:37):
I would say to Oregon, you know what you won.
You won the Big Ten, right, and you've got Ohio
State at home. You've already beat him once at home,
even though the second game was not at home. I mean, listen,
I think I think the twelve was good, and I
think the point you made the Ohio State wouldn't have
gotten in because of the lost to Michigan and Notre
(34:57):
Dame lost to Northern Illinois, and they wouldn't have gotten
in either in previous tournament runs.
Speaker 4 (35:04):
So yeah, I mean I thought.
Speaker 5 (35:05):
I mean, it was about who can get the hottest
down the stretch of the season and into the playoffs,
who's playing the best ball in Ohio State. When they
came out and did what they did to Tennessee, I mean,
you already knew that they were talented right when they
did what.
Speaker 4 (35:20):
They did Tennessee.
Speaker 5 (35:22):
Tennessee's got some NFL dudes fun on defense. But when
they did that, I know, they played in Columbus. Then
they went to the Rose Bowl and just completely hammered
or right there, I'm thinking, Okay, you're gonna have to
be pretty damn good to beat this team.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
Man. I just see Ohio State. They definitely benefited from
the new the new structure, because I used they wouldn't
have they wouldn't have been in. But I just still
believe Oregon got screwed by the new structure because I
think obviously you talking about.
Speaker 4 (35:56):
Why did they get why? Why do you believe that too?
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Because they they needed to receive There's no reason why
they should have been playing.
Speaker 5 (36:03):
Nobody's ever talked about receding and just being part of it.
That was never even an option because Oregon got boat raced, Yes,
got boat race by Ohio State.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (36:13):
Man, I mean you know what, playing the big boys
and find a way to beat them, you beat them once,
you beat them once.
Speaker 4 (36:21):
Situation.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
It's a situation where I think the bye week comes
in bites in the butt, you know, and you see
all everything that had a bye week, struggled and laws after,
you know, after they had to play. So the bye
week in college, that's a long time of not playing.
That's something the NFL players struggle with. You know, you
always hear stats about teams after you against the bye week. Yeah,
(36:43):
I think I think if you live with that, I think,
if you want to do it, I think there shouldn't
be a bye week because also there's no reason why
the National Championship Game should be getting played in the
middle of the NFL playoffs. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (36:54):
Well, I mean the the bye week was intended to
be like a plus for the teams the.
Speaker 4 (36:59):
Top four, right, because you can get a little bit healthy.
Speaker 5 (37:02):
And but but Shelby's point is well, taking in terms
of the length of time that you're actually off, and
how do you keep those guys. You don't want to
keep them peaked. So basically it sort of start over,
you know, practice, and then then you work towards the
peak of the first game. But I absolutely positively do
not think Oregon got screwed.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
Iharn't.
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