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Speaker 1 (00:00):
He said, just ordered Ryan twenty four pack on TIMU. Ryan,
you'll be three fifty.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Hey, you know what, it's probably my six dollars, you know, Yeah,
twenty four packs for three fifty. Man. Hey, hey, the
Terrors go jack up a lot of man. Yeah. Man,
you know, obviously mister Trump don't order them Timo. Yeah,
he wouldn't be He wouldn't with the Terrors. There's a
(00:27):
couple of things he can use because he didn't he
didn't ruin some stuff. He can use some TMU products.
I'm just saying that is the case. Man.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Well, it's really good to see you and we're excited
to maybe talk to you about the Super Bowl?
Speaker 3 (00:36):
What was that?
Speaker 4 (00:37):
What was some takeaways from it? Man?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
I love the ending. The ending was great. Uh, everything
happened except for the one thing I wanted was Saquan
to get one hundred yards. But other than that, I
think we talked about that. Dave said the Chiefs had
eighteen straight playoff games without one hundred yard rusher, and
they was killing Saquan every time he touched football. They
was all over him. But uh, the those game plan
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was very similar to what we talked about in this room,
and they execute it. And for me just as a
as a as a you know, as a fan, Jalen
Hurst gets a lot of people off his back. This
kid's been winning his whole life, and I don't know
why people keep lumping him in there with some of
these failures at quarterback in the NFL, and Jayleen Hurst
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is not one of them. No, he's not.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
And yeah, we were talking about that a little bit
yesterday about Jalen Hurts and where this win might help
him kind of put himself, catapuled him into the upper
echelon of quarterbacks in the league. I mean, I really
think he should be talked about as one of those guys.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
And he delivers, right, I mean, they win a lot
of games.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Maybe he is not always the straw, right, He's not
always the guy. He's not Joe Burrow, he's not Patrick Mahomes,
he's not Josh Allen. He's not as flashy as those guys.
But man, when they need they need yards on the ground,
he'll get those. He threw some absolute died of my
passes in that game. So I don't know, man, do
you think you should be in that conversation.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Here's the thing, sometimes people forget winning they you know
they don't have. They keep up with it very little.
But the main thing they do with quarterbacks is very
similar to a pitcher in baseball. They keep up with
wins and losses of a quarterback like they do wins
and wins and losses in baseball. And Jalen Hurst is
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winning and that is all that matters. Listen to two
of the guys you mentioned, they've never won a Super Bowl.
Joe Burrow been to one, Josh Ads never been to one,
and they keep annoying these guys ahead of him. Lamar
Jackson's never been He hadn't been there. And Jalen hurt
has been to two in what four years? Man, he's
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been to two. But his To add this.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
To it, what you're saying those quarterbacks that you just
mentioned that are different from Jalen Hurts is those are
the first round quarterbacks Jalen Hurst was taking in the
second round and Peter kind of pretty.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Much dismissed them.
Speaker 5 (02:53):
But based on what we saw in the Super Bowl
on Sunday, this is why people show start looking at
him little different. But also don't don't start to cash
your doubts on the player before you get the chance
to really see what that players work here.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Here's what I want to say. First of all, what's up, eighty?
Speaker 2 (03:10):
I'm glad. I want to talk about yoga pants.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Just so you know, listen, I was just on eBay
and looking at a couple of opportunities for use yoga pants.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Well, I mean, what do you think of me?
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Well, no, I'd be happy to buy the new ones.
I just said, I was on eBay. Do you get
new stuff on eBay? Yeah, you get new stuff. I
don't go ahead, we can get back to football. Great intro,
great segment. I'm just saying, what's up.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
One thing I wanted to get into with you is
we talked about legacy right yesterday we talked a little
bit about how much of.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
A hits is this?
Speaker 4 (03:49):
To Patrick Mahomes, legacy is the goat.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Nothing, He's not the goat's his career is over. Before
you start anointing people. That's It's the same way they
do it quarterback in the NFL. He's a franchise quarterback.
The dude. His son, both Nicks is a franchise quarterback
for Demrocos. Why he's been there one year? Not that
I don't love both Knicks and hope both Knicks plays
it twelve years with us winning football games. Then at
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the end of his career, you can call him whatever
you want to call him. Right, people, they jumped the
gun too much on especially in sports. They just they
had this idea of what they saw in college or
even high school, and they give this person this praise,
And to me, it's a it's a simmer. It's some
pressure that you put on this person to be something
that you couldn't do, but you put it on them,
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and I just I just think I watched Jalen Hurst.
I watched him go for Alabama to Oklahoma and they
still they won. Everywhere he went, they won. When he
went to the NFL, he was behind the first round pick,
and you know what happened. That guy's gone. He won, period,
So why do why is why is there a knock?
I have none against Joe Burrow. I have none against
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any of the other quarterbacks. Lamar Jackson should have been
MVP this year. He wasn't. But here's the thing. Those
guys win games in the regular season. Those guys have
all these yards and touchdowns, But are you taking your
team across the threshold? That's all It matters. In the
NFL is people want to know about those dudes who's
hoisting trophy at the end of the year. And like
I said the other day, go birds. But at the
end of the day after today, I ain't saying that
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crap no more.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
Yeah, But in the in professional sports, we kind of
live in the world of labors, and we placed labels
on players to validate our own opinions and our the
own decision makers. As we say, okay, well this is
the guy that this team should go out and get,
and you said, okay, well, in the case that you're
talking about, he's a franchise player, right.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
And the reason you're saying that because the person behind him.
Speaker 5 (05:41):
Is not a guy that they're looking to be the
savior because someone else GM and head coach is looked
at this guy and said, well, here is our guy,
and this is what we're calling him.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
That's why. Look at what the Giants did. How many
franchise guys have they had? It's fair. Yeah, look how
it worked out. Barkin was the franchise guy and they
got rid of him. Sakuon Bark just won a Super Bowl.
He deserved it. If they got rid of him.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
In favor of a quarterback who they got rid of
as well.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
The same year. How did you get him a hundred
and sixty million dollars? Let me let me ask you, Dave.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
Let me ask you this. This is one thing I
wanted to get to today. No, no, I see that
he's got the gas prices.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Thought right, move on here, man, they ain't paying us.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Those are those terrift prices their day. If you gotta
be careful, I'm with you. And again, legacy is an
interesting conversation.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
I think you're right.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
You kind of have to almost wait till it's after
But but people were saying, after this game, Okay, now
the Chiefs are no longer in the conversation as far
as dynasties. Why not with with as compared to what
the Patriots, we're able to do that conversation.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
No, it's not.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
No, I mean I look at what the Chiefs have
accomplished and say it was great. I mean, they've been
seven straight AFC Championship games. They've been in five Super Bowls,
five in the last seven years. So you can because
because the Broncos play them twice a year and we're tired.
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I think Broncos fans are tired, yes, of seeing them.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
And I get that.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
I get that, But no, I mean that's you know,
that's about as good.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
Is it?
Speaker 3 (07:24):
As good as the Patriots? You could always find arguments. Well,
you know Brady, Brady did it after he was thirty,
and he did it. He did it in two different plays. Okay, Well,
Mahomes has only played in one place. I just think
you focus on what we have here, what's happened in
the past, Tom Brady, Tom Brady is a great player.
Maybe maybe the goat, I don't know. I don't know.
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Mahomes a great player. There have been a lot of
great players. But what the Chiefs have done to me,
it's been pretty damn good. Whether you want to label
it a dynasty or or pretty damn good what, I
don't even care. But they have been great ever since
Patrick Mahomes took over as the starting quarterback.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Can you can you wait to the end? That's that's
the point. Everybody wants to have talking points right now,
what about wait to the end? But Patrick Mahone's career
is over, then you can you can have that conversation
until then. To me, right exactly, I love Tom Brady,
I love I love John Elway, but to me, if
Tom Brady got seven super Bowl rings, he did it
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in a different era of course. And if you say, okay,
well the payment gold means won, there's only one and
there's too many great players that played in the NFL
to try to anoint one. I get this the talking points,
but if the Chiefs reload from this year, then what
and they're going to reload from this year? They had
a ton of injuries and stuff like that. It still
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ran off what nineteen twenty wins and something like that.
Went to the Super Bowl game said like all the
stuff he just said, we still got to contend with
that over here and in Maaha, we got to contend
with that. So because of what you think about the left,
I can see it whether they are dynasty and this
is that we need to disrupt them, and we haven't
done it.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
No.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Last year was we played better, We lost last second
the other game. It counts, but it don't count. Can
we go up there toe to toe the best versus
our best and but buzst them in the mouth two
times straight for years, not once, not one year, three
four five years in a row, like they've done to us.
That's what I want. That's how you disrupt so called dynasty.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
Do you think the I don't know.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
I guess you're right, and certainly for the Broncos, the
opportunity now is to sort of answer you. You gonna
have to focus on yourself anyways. It really doesn't matter
whatever they're gonna do. You're just gonna you gotta do
your better. But the conversation I think after this game
is sort of like, hey, are there some cracks showing
in this right? You've been building this for a while
and there's gonna be some reset. We were just talking
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about Travis Kelcey if he does step down now, I
know we we got through the discussion about maybe it
doesn't make sense for him, but if he does step down,
well that's a significant for them.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Absolutely think about it. There was some cracks this year.
When you're going for that third Super Bowl, everybody's gunning
for you, and I think I saw stat and I
could be wrong on the stats. I'm sure somebody will
figure it out. I think they won twelve one score
games more this year. Yeah, so trust me, there are
some crash. Here's the thing. There wasn't just me to crash.
Everybody else trying to figure it out that they got
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to play better. And look at the games they won,
the twelve that they won, I guarantee you eight of them.
The teams had a chance to win at the end,
and they choked at the end. That's called of what
it was. They choked at the end. The Chiefs were prepared.
They're the best prepared team for the playoffs. They got
back to where they were supposed to get again based
off what they had put together. They got to the
super Bowl and that front four, like we talked about,
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without bringing blitzes, they blitzed once I think the entire game.
But the front four was hunting and that's what the
Broncos front four did the exact same thing to them.
Our front four was number one in the league for
a reason. We hunted with four. That way, you got
seven on the back end that can do some things
and disrupt stuff, some timing and when he's getting hit
like that, he was getting hit, and you know what
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they did great. They didn't give him room to escape.
They stayed high enough on the edges that he couldn't
go outside, because that's what he did to us all
the time. And they made him go up the middle
and the big guys in the middle pushed the pocket.
And when you push the pocket, he got to dodge
his guys, which you saw him getting hit by one
of his guys in Dough Inception. He got to doe
his guys and the defensive guys, and that to me
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was it was a great game plan by Coas Pangro.
I have to give him credit for that. Ian Broncos Country.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
You can celebrate a minor victory because your bitter rival
lost the game, and they were all played by the Eagles,
like Rod said, until you defeat them.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
To me, that's just water under the bridge.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
And for me watching living here in Denver, as long
as I have, I've watched Brett Beach kind of pull
a rabbit out of his hat as far as understanding
and manipulating a salary cap. And they're gonna find to him,
they're gonna get better every single year. And let's just
say Travis Kelcey does decide to retire. To me, they're
just gonna go out and find another guy. They already
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have the explosive God and Xavier Worthy, and the problem
was that they didn't have any other explosive wide receivers.
I mean you had Nuke Hopkins who was a veteran
and Juju Smith Smith Schuster who was a veteran. But
those dudes can outrun me right now. Yeah, hurt too,
So that once again he's coming back. They're gonna find
ways Potenko is not going anywhere, and hopefully they bring
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back you know, Kareem Hunt because he was integraate part
of what they did while Patchenko was out. So in
Broncos country you can celebrate. Now they're going to reload,
right and they're gonna be okay. It's about addressing the
issues with this team and making sure that this team
is ready to compete against them because guess what, Pete
Carroll's now in Vegas with Chip Kelly.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
This is not easy wins in the NC West anymore.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Is there a bit of a blueprint there there, Dave?
I mean Vick's played Patrick Mahomes noways one and eight.
By the way, good job, Vic. Is there a bit
of a blueprint though that teams are gonna try to follow.
Where As Rod laid it out, you're trying to get
home with the front four. You're dropping guys into coverage.
Not everybody can play, Vic Fangio's defense. But you know,
as a copycat league, is there something to that?
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Yeah? I don't.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
I mean, I think the league is a copycat league.
But VIC wasn't the one that came up with the blueprint.
I mean that blueprint, and you got some smart defensive
coaches in the league. You all the way back. The
other loss, we talked about this yesterday. In the Super Bowl,
Tampa Bay did basically the same thing, four man rush,
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And again we talked about yesterday, when when you even
if you keep a back end and you're you're in
some form of spread with four receivers, if you can
pressure a quarterback and I call it affecting him, you
don't necessarily have to sack him, although they sacked him
six times in Sunday's game. But if you can affect him,
you have seven guys in the back end covering four.
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That's that's not a recipe for great success throwing the ball.
I thought that Chiefs had to come out and try
to run it, even if they weren't successful. You got
to give your offensive line, which is overmatched, and everybody
knew it, and certainly Andy Reid knew it going in.
You've got to give them a chance to rock up
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on their hands and then get off the ball and
try to knock these guys back a little bit, right,
But if you're going to make them, I mean, they
ran the ball six times the entire game. Yeah, I
mean to me, And that's not hindsight. We talked about
it before the game. I thought Kansas City had to
do two things offensively, run the ball and they had
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to get the ball out of fifteen's hands quickly. And
now you can throw the ball to the intermediate level
and deep level, but you do it later in the
game after you've lathered that defensive line. Man, they're big
athletic dudes, but they're three hundred and fifty pounds. If
you're making a run from sideline to sideline, quick screens, hitches, whatever,
running at them, then as you get into the game,
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I think you have a better chance at least to
throw the ball at an intermediate or deep level. They
came out trying to throw the ball intermediate deep level
right off the jump, and these cats, you know, they're
they're like, oh okay, well then we'll meet you at
the quarterback. And that's what you saw the entire game. Yeah,
But like you said the game plan was flawed from
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the beginning. You never even tried to run the ball.
You never even lined up in the formation to say
we might run the ball.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
You was in the gun from the jump. You never
got up on the center. You never dited your guy
in the eye, you never offset him and ran a
power did none of that up front. So you're letting
those guys know, oh, they're gonna try to make it
a shootout type game. Because the goal for Philly was
what they did be effective enough with the run. It
wasn't the explosive runs like Philly had all year, but
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it was effective enough that kept them in third and shorts,
fourth and shorts and kept Kansity on the bench. And
so kas City felt, well, we're not getting the balls
we got chunk of all day. And to me, early
in the like, he was saying, you gotta run the ball.
You gotta get to your office in line. They don't
have any they don't have an advantage doing one thing.
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They only had an advantage if you can hide some
of the good things that you do. And running the
football was something that can't Sity with that madehim effect.
I thought the Chiefs got greedy early.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
And I understand, I think from from Coach Reid's perspective,
you look over there at Philadelphia. What's the one thing
that you don't want to see happen? Two things, actually,
and one of those did. We can't let them dominate
time of possession, which they did, And we can't let
Saquon get off and win this game, which the Chiefs
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played really good run defense. One of the ways that
you help your defense from Kansas City's perspective is to
make Philadelphia play from behind. If we can get off
thinking we be in Kansas City, we can get off
to a good lead, right score, we stop them score
all of a sudden. It has way of sort of
changing the mindset of the play for Philadelphia. So but
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it didn't work.
Speaker 5 (17:03):
It just seemed as though when you think about it,
I mean, even being down in New Orleans, everywhere I went,
every person I talked to, it was all about the
Chiefs and can't bet against Patrick Mahomes. And it gets
to a point and it can't happen when you start
to really believe the folklore that's been established, looking at
how many closed games they won, getting to that point,
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understanding they play.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
San Francisco twice.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
They played Philadelphia and all those games in the Super Bowls,
they were trailing and they were able to mount somewhat
of a combat, so they believe in their minds that
they could.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Do it again.
Speaker 5 (17:37):
But what they didn't count on, and this is where
Buffalo was flawed and Rod hit on this. When you
think about not just Big Fangio's game plan, but the
execution from the guys on all three levels, it was flaws.
Even with some of the misdirection the trip with the
tight end and delay screens that they were trying to
run with Kelsey, they.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Were all on it. It was almost like they had
the game plan and that's what they did.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
You have to be disciplined and you have to be
responsible when you're playing against a team that can score
the way that Kansas City has shown that they can score.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
And to me, that's that was the biggest takeaway that
I took from the game.
Speaker 5 (18:13):
It's, you know, being disciplined on defense in every guy
even when a god lost contained, there was a guy
coming out of the middle to get back to a
point where they put an edge on it so they
couldn't let Patrick get out.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
So that was his flaws execution.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
What'd you the Doyther halftime show?
Speaker 2 (18:29):
It was good. I mean I I I listened to
some of Kendrick's music and I now you start seeing
all these little innuendos and the stuff in there, and
uh at the PlayStation controller at the end and that
kind of stuff, you know. I mean, some of the
stuff was some of the stuff was cool. I mean, uh,
the halftime show in the NFL, in the Super Bowl,
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they're all to me have been very very good. I mean,
people put a lot of time effort into that, and
you gotta take your hat out. I mean, everyone I've
ever seen, no matter who's who, was there and they
were all great, you know, And I think that one
was good. I don't think it was one of the
most excellent Two Bowl halftime shows I've ever seen anything
like that, but I mean I liked it. It was good.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
Okay, did you are you a Drake guy?
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Then? Is that what that is? No? Okay, I'm not
a Drake guy. I'm not a Kendred guy. Listen to
I'm I'm actually tired of him to going at it, honestly, really, yeah,
I'm tired of it. It's like they play that song.
Everybody lose their freaking mind, right and all the dud dude, Okay,
that don't put no money in my pocket.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
I didn't.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
I listened to it on Spotify, so but I paid
for Spotify, I guess, so no, I honestly, Now, the
big part to me was just even how it started,
and just to me, it's just it gets to a
point where it's overdone. That's just me. Hopefully it is
now that he didn't diet it on this national stage,
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the international stage, and he put that whole thing out
there and the song is probably one of the best
songs ever individual songs, and so hopefully that he can stop.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
With that one and be done. Now now you know
it's not gonna see is why not he can't top it?
Because it's hard to lose. Its hard to.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Drake wins his lawsuit and win two billion dollars, Drake won.
I don't care what kid did. If Drake wins his
lawsuit with Sony and get two billion dollars, then who wins.
Speaker 5 (20:24):
Well, he would win from a financial standpoint.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
That's all I care about. But see from a from
a street Craig going to t move we get two billion.
I'm telling us.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
From a street credit standpoint, Drake won't be able to last.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
United. If you got two billion dollars, you shouldn't be
in the streets anyway. How about that two hundred dollars
and you should be in the street. Go out the streets.
Anybody's making one three thousand gets you by ship.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Maybe maybe they let Drake perform at the Canadian Football
League half time.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Performance yesterday or something like that. They just posting video
Drake had a performance and something like that has a
huge Drake fan So oh really, yes, I don't I
don't you know what, I can't understand what the Hally's saying.
Let's me be real, all the whole this min this
this meant that I don't have time to listen to
he is like that. That's why I go back to
the Isley Brothers old school stuff. But they actually said
exactly what they did. You know what I'm saying. I
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listened to that.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
You know what the Isley Brothers said, time is truly wasting.
Did they did say that?
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Yes? Absolutely?
Speaker 4 (21:23):
Hey can you stee around for a little bit longer?
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (21:25):
All right, cool.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
So I want to ask you about Debo, about Deebo,
about Cooper Cup, all those things. See, if you would
want the Broncos to pursue them? Coming up here in
free agency, this our chance to one of a thousand
dollars coming over the next five minutes thanks to Standbrick
Dental Group. Over right back Rod Smith the studio, rod
Smith is studio with us. All Right, what do you
think about Deebo Samuel's game? Like, what impresses you about him?
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Would you want the Broncos to pursue him if that
becomes an option?
Speaker 2 (21:50):
If Deebo sam just keeps the attitude of these guys,
we don't need them. And Deebo Sams' game as a
football player, Oh man, this dude and uh, I just
and it. It was we called the circumstances too. With
Kyle Shanahan. I think he was very creative and getting
that kid the ball. And this dude is, like Nick
Eame said, he's like a tank running the football. He
runs like he's just like a running back. He played
running back. He's doing a lot of the stuff that
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we were creatively doing with Marvin Members. He's doing that,
but honestly at another level because he's he's a big,
strong guy, a great route runner, you know, hands hands
at times. You know, I guess last year he has
several drops last year. But at the end of the day,
you want good football players on your team. Football players.
A lot of these guys they want to be influenced.
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A lot of these guys they bring a baggage that
you can't infect your locker room from the inside, and
some people people don't realize that. Sometimes you get a
great player, but you also get you brought the cancer
inside and you start looking outside for how to find
how to cure it. No, you brought it in here.
And I'm not saying he's that, but for him to
go and ask for a trade after the success he's
had with the Niners, to me, guys can do that now.
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I wouldn't in it. I didn't play in the area
where you go, Hey, Mike Man, things ain't working out.
I want to go somewhere else. You know, he looked
at me like I was crazy. So these guys today
they got a little bit more I guess influence or
uh kahonas to be going up to ownership and talk about, Hey,
I want to get out.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
Is that your biggest reservation? Dave his attitude, Yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
Don't I don't I don't know. Yes, I would not
want to bring anybody into the locker room, especially this
locker room in Denver, which the last couple of years,
one with Sean, actually two now with Sean and George
combining the draft and free agency, they have been very
intentional about obviously trying to find guys that can play.
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But you want the right kind of guys. You want
guys that are going to fit in the locker room,
love football or not divas, they're good teammates. You want
those guys because if you get more of those guys
than you do of divas, then you still have a
chance those guys will run the locker room.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
When you get too.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Many of the selfish, meme me guys and not enough
of the core guys like hey, it's about what we
need to do as a team, then you start losing
games because you get guys that act up. I would
differ with Rod a little bit. I think, uh, I
think Deebo is a really good player. I think he's
a running back the sort of masquerades as a wide receiver.
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But I don't think he's a guy that could live
in the running back room and survive in the league.
Where I don't love him. I love him on screens.
I love him on jet sweep. I love him one
hitches and making a corner come up and try to
tackle that dude. That's that's not easy. Where I don't
think he's as good as he can be is as
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a route runner. I don't I've watched him, you know,
run some of the route trees like I like. I
like Brandon Auk better as a pure route runner. The
guy sitting next to me was a really good route runner.
Eddie McCaffrey was a really crafty but really good route runner.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Deebo.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
I just haven't seen he was a guy I gotta
figure out. I got to get the ball to him
seven eight, nine times? How do I get his hands
on the ball. He's maybe bigger body, bigger, stronger body,
maybe a little bit like Marvin Mims. I think the
coaches had a dilemma with respect to Mimes. I don't
know this for a fact, but maybe because you know,
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unless it was a deep ball, I didn't see memes
and intermediate stuff, And I'm like, why he didn't get the.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Run routes Like I'm saying, yeah, And I agree with
you on that with deebo I. A lot of the
stuff seemed like he got the ball through like not
gadget plays but almost gimmick perer design They designed to
get to him in certain places. Those things, well, he
can run, he can hook up, but running a running
a peer comeback, running a you know, corner route. Yeah, yeah,
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your double move stuff like that. You know you saw
him running more like you said, you just sweeping gimick stuff,
stuff out of the backfield. We're going to get the back.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Of the stuff. You didn't go to the right place.
Let's just say a trade happens. I mean, what deebo
I think is gonna find out is the guy creating
the offense in San Francisco is pretty good.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
He's pretty creative.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
He comes up with different ways, split reductions, there's all
sorts of ways to sort of make a defense step
back and say okay.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
All right.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
I mean, what you don't want him to do is
just go play. You want him to have to communicate
like okay, cut. But I mean, and Kyle is an
expert at that. Not every coach in the NFL has
that kount of ability.
Speaker 5 (26:34):
See I for me, I look at it from a
defensive standpoint, what guy is going to give me the
most issues? So I disagree with both Ron and Dave
on this this kind of idea because when I look
at Debo and you can't have a lot of these guys,
but you need some guys with some grit and some attitude,
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because automatically, my mind goes back to twenty fifteen looking
at the Broncos secondary and no flies on and the
way that they had the mentality. Usually coaches like, well,
you can't do what a keep to leave and TJ.
Ward and Stewart are doing. I mean, no, no, no,
that that goes against the football rules. But I want
guys who possessed that attitude.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Now.
Speaker 5 (27:16):
Granted, Rod mentioned something about looking at Debo and just
thinking about OBJ. Now OBJ took it to a whole
different extent, and sometimes that happened in today's game, where
players like, look, you know it turns to me first.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
But I'd rather have a me guy who actually cares
about his touches and losing games than a guy that who.
Speaker 5 (27:35):
Just happy to have a locker in New Jersey. You
think he's a great route runner, No, no, no, no,
I don't think that he is the best route runner. Yeah,
agree as far as that part. But because he is
in the roles that he plays in San Francisco's offense,
College developed an excellent.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Way to deploy him.
Speaker 5 (27:54):
No, I agree, he's great in that particular role. So
going to a gene that we talk about him coming here,
but come eat. Okay, that's what that's the whole president
coming here here.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
I said, if you bringing your attitude with your baggage,
didn't know, I don't care how good you are. I
lived through that. I watched us bring guys in who
didn't fit our culture. Trust, yes, I lived a little
bas we winning games, and you bring this guy in
because he's a good player. And you know what happened.
He tore our lot of room apart. And then I
had I was telling somebody's story there. I'm not gonna
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tell the whole story here. At the end of the
season and won the seasons. All of a sudden, I
got a call in with the GM might He wanted
to go have lunch with me. I don't do business
and lunch. We's an ego. We talk which one you
want to do? So I went to the office to
talk to him at the time because we want to
talk business. And he's sitting there trying to get me
to take a pay cut. I'm like, first, why am
I taking the pay cut? I had the team again,
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I'm not taking a pay cut. Well, we want you
and Eddie max number. Well, me and Eddie Max numbers
are not the same, so our salary shouldn't be the same. Now,
just my man and I want ed to get all
his money, but I want all mine too, real tell me.
But here's the other thing. I said, Oh, you're trying
to line the locker room up. I sat there and
gave him three, four or five scenarios of how they
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destroyed the locker room. They brought this guy in, Keith
Burns was supposed to be starting with he when you're
a one play away from me to start this, a
guy got hurt in front of him. Keiths supposed to play.
You know what they did, They went got a guy
in free agency off the street that he started in
front of Key. I said, dude, you understand you just
ruled out of the locker room the day you did
that because everybody's waiting on keep to play and y'all
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didn't let him play. Dan, here's a crazy part. Another
linebacker got hurt. Keith moved old. You moved it from
star side the weak side.
Speaker 5 (29:39):
The weak side.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Backer got hurt. You know what they did. They did
the same thing that we got another guy off the street.
Put him in front of Keith again and everybody in
the locker room because we love Keith, he's the leader
of our team. You demoralized him and you're reliating him
in front of all of us. We don't have respect
for you anymore. And I named some other people. I said,
you're trying to get some money, Go get this guy.
You gave that money to you. You gave this guy money,
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but you're not getting out the Rods money. Simply as that.
If you want to get my money, y'all just going
to let me go. I'll go somewhere else. I had
another thousand plus y'all seasons, and I don't operate like
that as far as trying to go in there and
bully or nothing like that. But you called me in
to have a meeting, and I explain to you my perspective.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
From in the locker room. It might have just wanted lunch.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
No, yeah, place the place we wanted to go to lunch,
they was out of business. No, it wasn't, says I
love citizens. I grew up on sisters back in the
day broke. But but if I had some siszors, I
mean money, no joke, no doubt. Was you read to
have Cooper cupp or Deebo Samuel Cooper Coupany had some injuries.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
Depos had some injuries, but not.
Speaker 5 (30:45):
As many as you think, and they've been soft tissue
engine I I like, I say.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Skill wise both up. You got a triple pray guy,
a triple triple crawn guy, and you got a guy
like you said, if you're gonna be creative with the football,
and this is that Debo one of those guys get.
But if he's gonna come with the attitude, no, I'd
rather have Cup. I know Cupan, you don't give me
no attitude. If coup can stay healthy, this dude's one
of the best route runners in the game, and I
think he can teach how other young guys and the
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quarterback as well.
Speaker 5 (31:13):
If so, if you want to give me those two
choices to give me Cup, I'll take Cup too as well, because.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Well, what.
Speaker 5 (31:23):
If on the table we were talking about Devo, I
mean he just Ryan just entered something else.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Into the equation where he got two players instead of one.
So that was the question.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
Yeah, but you said you wanted attitude in the locker room.
You said they were missing it.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
That's what you said. It's still true. Yeah, you do
have attitude performed. You can go out there and perform.
You don't have to be this Roy Rock. You don't
have to be that way.
Speaker 5 (31:46):
You can.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
You don't have to be this this crazy alpha male
blah blah blah. Yeah, this scream and cussing, doing all
that stuff, and play good football.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
Hey listen, this this my point before we go to
break comes from a former wide receiver. Aim the best
team you can think of where a wide receiver in
the locker room was your attitude, alpha dog, set the tempo.
This is how this is going to be. And just
call me whenever I'm going.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
I want to say what that one Super Bowl?
Speaker 4 (32:22):
Yep, I just killed the whole round.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
No, man, get the go, go check the defensive guys.
The attitude of.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
A great team always comes from the defensive side of
the ball or the offensive line. You can have great players,
you can have great players wide receivers. I mean both
of us played wide receiver. I mean every now and then,
you got to speak up. But if you if you
think a wide receiver is setting the tone for a
great team in the locker room.
Speaker 5 (32:53):
When we send the tone like like what I said,
he doesn't have to be vocal when I look at
a guy like Debo when I talk about own center
and attitude, is the level of physicality brings to the game.
You mentioned the fact that he was injured. He played
several games. If you were a physical player, for sure,
and he got through that. He's a physical player.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
Nobody else in that locker room, even though you were there,
would would say the Deebo Samuel is the guy like
I mean, Trent Williams is the guy that sets the
tone on offense, right, Hi.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Ben, how are you dude?
Speaker 5 (33:27):
Well?
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Keishawn Johnson huh was vocal vocal wide receivers team won
a championship.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
That was the only like off the top, that was
what I could think of.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
I tried a J.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
Brown.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
They did not have Tory Holton.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Bruce work the vocal and being a leader like Nick
was talking about, kind of the alpha dog, the toughness quotient. No,
don't even don't even tough, don't even front and that
is never going to come from the receiver room.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
He wrote the book give me the damn Ball like
a big.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Mouth, Okay, and I thought was a good player. But
in terms of like the toughness thing, well, no, if
you're saying.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Tough then no, I'm not including if you had that
cave yacht, which was not in there before this was
I didn't hear wants to cut out.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
Of that was Calvin Johns. I mean, Calvin Johnson really wasn't.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
He wasn't.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
I'm just I'm just trying to think maybe he's the
only guy I can think of that would fit that
role with the toughness.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Well he Baltimore too, that you asked. Please.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Now we're we're getting away from the Baltimore defense with
ray Lewis and and you know, well, but Tennessee didn't
win one, did he?
Speaker 2 (34:38):
They lost? I guess to Rams, Rams, Yeah, we.
Speaker 5 (34:41):
Have to make sure that we are defining toughness in
a certain way behind because toughness is the physical.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Closest one that we've talked about so far today, I
would agree with Hines work.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
He wasn't tough. He wasn't.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
He wasn't. No, No, I know he back, let me
know that if you're going to say this was dirty,
I didn't say he wasn't dirty. I don't have to
define toughness because it's the same thing for him, for
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that guy you do, for who for No, we just
have a different opinion.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
No, hitting's someone when they're not looking, that's not toughness. Okay,
hitting me in my face while I'm looking at.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
Suit, I'm sure he hits you when you weren't looking.
But if you go back, I can find many examples
of heines Ward digging out of safety and hitting him
right in the face. Well he didn't do that to me,
well not to you, so he might not be tough
in your world. Like George Atkinson I thought was a
punk hit me in the back of the head like twice.
Jack Tatum would hit me right in my face and
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did much more. I do too, I do too. But
the only person that I can think of that has
an NFL pedigree that would say hines Ward wasn't a
tough physical player is you?
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Sucker man? Nick is a lot of fun.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Man.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
Appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Appreciate you. Hey, let me know when you get those
yoga pants. I want to make sure I'm here for that.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
I'll hit you, yeah you want to, you wanta try
some on? Never mind, Greg, great job. Rick Lewis is
going to be the stew.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Of US tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (36:19):
Looking forward to that BCT next
He said, just ordered Ryan twenty four pack on TIMU. Ryan,
you'll be three fifty.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Hey, you know what, it's probably my six dollars, you know, Yeah,
twenty four packs for three fifty. Man. Hey, hey, the
Terrors go jack up a lot of man. Yeah. Man,
you know, obviously mister Trump don't order them Timo. Yeah,
he wouldn't be He wouldn't with the Terrors. There's a
(00:27):
couple of things he can use because he didn't he
didn't ruin some stuff. He can use some TMU products.
I'm just saying that is the case. Man.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Well, it's really good to see you and we're excited
to maybe talk to you about the Super Bowl?
Speaker 3 (00:36):
What was that?
Speaker 4 (00:37):
What was some takeaways from it? Man?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
I love the ending. The ending was great. Uh, everything
happened except for the one thing I wanted was Saquan
to get one hundred yards. But other than that, I
think we talked about that. Dave said the Chiefs had
eighteen straight playoff games without one hundred yard rusher, and
they was killing Saquan every time he touched football. They
was all over him. But uh, the those game plan
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was very similar to what we talked about in this room,
and they execute it. And for me just as a
as a as a you know, as a fan, Jalen
Hurst gets a lot of people off his back. This
kid's been winning his whole life, and I don't know
why people keep lumping him in there with some of
these failures at quarterback in the NFL, and Jayleen Hurst
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is not one of them. No, he's not.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
And yeah, we were talking about that a little bit
yesterday about Jalen Hurts and where this win might help
him kind of put himself, catapuled him into the upper
echelon of quarterbacks in the league. I mean, I really
think he should be talked about as one of those guys.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
And he delivers, right, I mean, they win a lot
of games.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Maybe he is not always the straw, right, He's not
always the guy. He's not Joe Burrow, he's not Patrick Mahomes,
he's not Josh Allen. He's not as flashy as those guys.
But man, when they need they need yards on the ground,
he'll get those. He threw some absolute died of my
passes in that game. So I don't know, man, do
you think you should be in that conversation.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Here's the thing, sometimes people forget winning they you know
they don't have. They keep up with it very little.
But the main thing they do with quarterbacks is very
similar to a pitcher in baseball. They keep up with
wins and losses of a quarterback like they do wins
and wins and losses in baseball. And Jalen Hurst is
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winning and that is all that matters. Listen to two
of the guys you mentioned, they've never won a Super Bowl.
Joe Burrow been to one, Josh Ads never been to one,
and they keep annoying these guys ahead of him. Lamar
Jackson's never been He hadn't been there. And Jalen hurt
has been to two in what four years? Man, he's
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been to two. But his To add this.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
To it, what you're saying those quarterbacks that you just
mentioned that are different from Jalen Hurts is those are
the first round quarterbacks Jalen Hurst was taking in the
second round and Peter kind of pretty.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Much dismissed them.
Speaker 5 (02:53):
But based on what we saw in the Super Bowl
on Sunday, this is why people show start looking at
him little different. But also don't don't start to cash
your doubts on the player before you get the chance
to really see what that players work here.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Here's what I want to say. First of all, what's up, eighty?
Speaker 2 (03:10):
I'm glad. I want to talk about yoga pants.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Just so you know, listen, I was just on eBay
and looking at a couple of opportunities for use yoga pants.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Well, I mean, what do you think of me?
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Well, no, I'd be happy to buy the new ones.
I just said, I was on eBay. Do you get
new stuff on eBay? Yeah, you get new stuff. I
don't go ahead, we can get back to football. Great intro,
great segment. I'm just saying, what's up.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
One thing I wanted to get into with you is
we talked about legacy right yesterday we talked a little
bit about how much of.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
A hits is this?
Speaker 4 (03:49):
To Patrick Mahomes, legacy is the goat.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Nothing, He's not the goat's his career is over. Before
you start anointing people. That's It's the same way they
do it quarterback in the NFL. He's a franchise quarterback.
The dude. His son, both Nicks is a franchise quarterback
for Demrocos. Why he's been there one year? Not that
I don't love both Knicks and hope both Knicks plays
it twelve years with us winning football games. Then at
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the end of his career, you can call him whatever
you want to call him. Right, people, they jumped the
gun too much on especially in sports. They just they
had this idea of what they saw in college or
even high school, and they give this person this praise,
And to me, it's a it's a simmer. It's some
pressure that you put on this person to be something
that you couldn't do, but you put it on them,
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and I just I just think I watched Jalen Hurst.
I watched him go for Alabama to Oklahoma and they
still they won. Everywhere he went, they won. When he
went to the NFL, he was behind the first round pick,
and you know what happened. That guy's gone. He won, period,
So why do why is why is there a knock?
I have none against Joe Burrow. I have none against
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any of the other quarterbacks. Lamar Jackson should have been
MVP this year. He wasn't. But here's the thing. Those
guys win games in the regular season. Those guys have
all these yards and touchdowns, But are you taking your
team across the threshold? That's all It matters. In the
NFL is people want to know about those dudes who's
hoisting trophy at the end of the year. And like
I said the other day, go birds. But at the
end of the day after today, I ain't saying that
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crap no more.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
Yeah, But in the in professional sports, we kind of
live in the world of labors, and we placed labels
on players to validate our own opinions and our the
own decision makers. As we say, okay, well this is
the guy that this team should go out and get,
and you said, okay, well, in the case that you're
talking about, he's a franchise player, right.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
And the reason you're saying that because the person behind him.
Speaker 5 (05:41):
Is not a guy that they're looking to be the
savior because someone else GM and head coach is looked
at this guy and said, well, here is our guy,
and this is what we're calling him.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
That's why. Look at what the Giants did. How many
franchise guys have they had? It's fair. Yeah, look how
it worked out. Barkin was the franchise guy and they
got rid of him. Sakuon Bark just won a Super Bowl.
He deserved it. If they got rid of him.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
In favor of a quarterback who they got rid of
as well.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
The same year. How did you get him a hundred
and sixty million dollars? Let me let me ask you, Dave.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
Let me ask you this. This is one thing I
wanted to get to today. No, no, I see that
he's got the gas prices.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Thought right, move on here, man, they ain't paying us.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Those are those terrift prices their day. If you gotta
be careful, I'm with you. And again, legacy is an
interesting conversation.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
I think you're right.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
You kind of have to almost wait till it's after
But but people were saying, after this game, Okay, now
the Chiefs are no longer in the conversation as far
as dynasties. Why not with with as compared to what
the Patriots, we're able to do that conversation.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
No, it's not.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
No, I mean I look at what the Chiefs have
accomplished and say it was great. I mean, they've been
seven straight AFC Championship games. They've been in five Super Bowls,
five in the last seven years. So you can because
because the Broncos play them twice a year and we're tired.
(07:14):
I think Broncos fans are tired, yes, of seeing them.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
And I get that.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
I get that, But no, I mean that's you know,
that's about as good.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
Is it?
Speaker 3 (07:24):
As good as the Patriots? You could always find arguments. Well,
you know Brady, Brady did it after he was thirty,
and he did it. He did it in two different plays. Okay, Well,
Mahomes has only played in one place. I just think
you focus on what we have here, what's happened in
the past, Tom Brady, Tom Brady is a great player.
Maybe maybe the goat, I don't know. I don't know.
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Mahomes a great player. There have been a lot of
great players. But what the Chiefs have done to me,
it's been pretty damn good. Whether you want to label
it a dynasty or or pretty damn good what, I
don't even care. But they have been great ever since
Patrick Mahomes took over as the starting quarterback.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Can you can you wait to the end? That's that's
the point. Everybody wants to have talking points right now,
what about wait to the end? But Patrick Mahone's career
is over, then you can you can have that conversation
until then. To me, right exactly, I love Tom Brady,
I love I love John Elway, but to me, if
Tom Brady got seven super Bowl rings, he did it
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in a different era of course. And if you say, okay,
well the payment gold means won, there's only one and
there's too many great players that played in the NFL
to try to anoint one. I get this the talking points,
but if the Chiefs reload from this year, then what
and they're going to reload from this year? They had
a ton of injuries and stuff like that. It still
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ran off what nineteen twenty wins and something like that.
Went to the Super Bowl game said like all the
stuff he just said, we still got to contend with
that over here and in Maaha, we got to contend
with that. So because of what you think about the left,
I can see it whether they are dynasty and this
is that we need to disrupt them, and we haven't
done it.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
No.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Last year was we played better, We lost last second
the other game. It counts, but it don't count. Can
we go up there toe to toe the best versus
our best and but buzst them in the mouth two
times straight for years, not once, not one year, three
four five years in a row, like they've done to us.
That's what I want. That's how you disrupt so called dynasty.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
Do you think the I don't know.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
I guess you're right, and certainly for the Broncos, the
opportunity now is to sort of answer you. You gonna
have to focus on yourself anyways. It really doesn't matter
whatever they're gonna do. You're just gonna you gotta do
your better. But the conversation I think after this game
is sort of like, hey, are there some cracks showing
in this right? You've been building this for a while
and there's gonna be some reset. We were just talking
(09:49):
about Travis Kelcey if he does step down now, I
know we we got through the discussion about maybe it
doesn't make sense for him, but if he does step down,
well that's a significant for them.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Absolutely think about it. There was some cracks this year.
When you're going for that third Super Bowl, everybody's gunning
for you, and I think I saw stat and I
could be wrong on the stats. I'm sure somebody will
figure it out. I think they won twelve one score
games more this year. Yeah, so trust me, there are
some crash. Here's the thing. There wasn't just me to crash.
Everybody else trying to figure it out that they got
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to play better. And look at the games they won,
the twelve that they won, I guarantee you eight of them.
The teams had a chance to win at the end,
and they choked at the end. That's called of what
it was. They choked at the end. The Chiefs were prepared.
They're the best prepared team for the playoffs. They got
back to where they were supposed to get again based
off what they had put together. They got to the
super Bowl and that front four, like we talked about,
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without bringing blitzes, they blitzed once I think the entire game.
But the front four was hunting and that's what the
Broncos front four did the exact same thing to them.
Our front four was number one in the league for
a reason. We hunted with four. That way, you got
seven on the back end that can do some things
and disrupt stuff, some timing and when he's getting hit
like that, he was getting hit, and you know what
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they did great. They didn't give him room to escape.
They stayed high enough on the edges that he couldn't
go outside, because that's what he did to us all
the time. And they made him go up the middle
and the big guys in the middle pushed the pocket.
And when you push the pocket, he got to dodge
his guys, which you saw him getting hit by one
of his guys in Dough Inception. He got to doe
his guys and the defensive guys, and that to me
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was it was a great game plan by Coas Pangro.
I have to give him credit for that. Ian Broncos Country.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
You can celebrate a minor victory because your bitter rival
lost the game, and they were all played by the Eagles,
like Rod said, until you defeat them.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
To me, that's just water under the bridge.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
And for me watching living here in Denver, as long
as I have, I've watched Brett Beach kind of pull
a rabbit out of his hat as far as understanding
and manipulating a salary cap. And they're gonna find to him,
they're gonna get better every single year. And let's just
say Travis Kelcey does decide to retire. To me, they're
just gonna go out and find another guy. They already
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have the explosive God and Xavier Worthy, and the problem
was that they didn't have any other explosive wide receivers.
I mean you had Nuke Hopkins who was a veteran
and Juju Smith Smith Schuster who was a veteran. But
those dudes can outrun me right now. Yeah, hurt too,
So that once again he's coming back. They're gonna find
ways Potenko is not going anywhere, and hopefully they bring
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back you know, Kareem Hunt because he was integraate part
of what they did while Patchenko was out. So in
Broncos country you can celebrate. Now they're going to reload,
right and they're gonna be okay. It's about addressing the
issues with this team and making sure that this team
is ready to compete against them because guess what, Pete
Carroll's now in Vegas with Chip Kelly.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
This is not easy wins in the NC West anymore.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Is there a bit of a blueprint there there, Dave?
I mean Vick's played Patrick Mahomes noways one and eight.
By the way, good job, Vic. Is there a bit
of a blueprint though that teams are gonna try to follow.
Where As Rod laid it out, you're trying to get
home with the front four. You're dropping guys into coverage.
Not everybody can play, Vic Fangio's defense. But you know,
as a copycat league, is there something to that?
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Yeah? I don't.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
I mean, I think the league is a copycat league.
But VIC wasn't the one that came up with the blueprint.
I mean that blueprint, and you got some smart defensive
coaches in the league. You all the way back. The
other loss, we talked about this yesterday. In the Super Bowl,
Tampa Bay did basically the same thing, four man rush,
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And again we talked about yesterday, when when you even
if you keep a back end and you're you're in
some form of spread with four receivers, if you can
pressure a quarterback and I call it affecting him, you
don't necessarily have to sack him, although they sacked him
six times in Sunday's game. But if you can affect him,
you have seven guys in the back end covering four.
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That's that's not a recipe for great success throwing the ball.
I thought that Chiefs had to come out and try
to run it, even if they weren't successful. You got
to give your offensive line, which is overmatched, and everybody
knew it, and certainly Andy Reid knew it going in.
You've got to give them a chance to rock up
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on their hands and then get off the ball and
try to knock these guys back a little bit, right,
But if you're going to make them, I mean, they
ran the ball six times the entire game. Yeah, I
mean to me, And that's not hindsight. We talked about
it before the game. I thought Kansas City had to
do two things offensively, run the ball and they had
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to get the ball out of fifteen's hands quickly. And
now you can throw the ball to the intermediate level
and deep level, but you do it later in the
game after you've lathered that defensive line. Man, they're big
athletic dudes, but they're three hundred and fifty pounds. If
you're making a run from sideline to sideline, quick screens, hitches, whatever,
running at them, then as you get into the game,
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I think you have a better chance at least to
throw the ball at an intermediate or deep level. They
came out trying to throw the ball intermediate deep level
right off the jump, and these cats, you know, they're
they're like, oh okay, well then we'll meet you at
the quarterback. And that's what you saw the entire game. Yeah,
But like you said the game plan was flawed from
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the beginning. You never even tried to run the ball.
You never even lined up in the formation to say
we might run the ball.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
You was in the gun from the jump. You never
got up on the center. You never dited your guy
in the eye, you never offset him and ran a
power did none of that up front. So you're letting
those guys know, oh, they're gonna try to make it
a shootout type game. Because the goal for Philly was
what they did be effective enough with the run. It
wasn't the explosive runs like Philly had all year, but
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it was effective enough that kept them in third and shorts,
fourth and shorts and kept Kansity on the bench. And
so kas City felt, well, we're not getting the balls
we got chunk of all day. And to me, early
in the like, he was saying, you gotta run the ball.
You gotta get to your office in line. They don't
have any they don't have an advantage doing one thing.
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They only had an advantage if you can hide some
of the good things that you do. And running the
football was something that can't Sity with that madehim effect.
I thought the Chiefs got greedy early.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
And I understand, I think from from Coach Reid's perspective,
you look over there at Philadelphia. What's the one thing
that you don't want to see happen? Two things, actually,
and one of those did. We can't let them dominate
time of possession, which they did, And we can't let
Saquon get off and win this game, which the Chiefs
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played really good run defense. One of the ways that
you help your defense from Kansas City's perspective is to
make Philadelphia play from behind. If we can get off
thinking we be in Kansas City, we can get off
to a good lead, right score, we stop them score
all of a sudden. It has way of sort of
changing the mindset of the play for Philadelphia. So but
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it didn't work.
Speaker 5 (17:03):
It just seemed as though when you think about it,
I mean, even being down in New Orleans, everywhere I went,
every person I talked to, it was all about the
Chiefs and can't bet against Patrick Mahomes. And it gets
to a point and it can't happen when you start
to really believe the folklore that's been established, looking at
how many closed games they won, getting to that point,
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understanding they play.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
San Francisco twice.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
They played Philadelphia and all those games in the Super Bowls,
they were trailing and they were able to mount somewhat
of a combat, so they believe in their minds that
they could.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Do it again.
Speaker 5 (17:37):
But what they didn't count on, and this is where
Buffalo was flawed and Rod hit on this. When you
think about not just Big Fangio's game plan, but the
execution from the guys on all three levels, it was flaws.
Even with some of the misdirection the trip with the
tight end and delay screens that they were trying to
run with Kelsey, they.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Were all on it. It was almost like they had
the game plan and that's what they did.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
You have to be disciplined and you have to be
responsible when you're playing against a team that can score
the way that Kansas City has shown that they can score.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
And to me, that's that was the biggest takeaway that
I took from the game.
Speaker 5 (18:13):
It's, you know, being disciplined on defense in every guy
even when a god lost contained, there was a guy
coming out of the middle to get back to a
point where they put an edge on it so they
couldn't let Patrick get out.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
So that was his flaws execution.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
What'd you the Doyther halftime show?
Speaker 2 (18:29):
It was good. I mean I I I listened to
some of Kendrick's music and I now you start seeing
all these little innuendos and the stuff in there, and
uh at the PlayStation controller at the end and that
kind of stuff, you know. I mean, some of the
stuff was some of the stuff was cool. I mean, uh,
the halftime show in the NFL, in the Super Bowl,
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they're all to me have been very very good. I mean,
people put a lot of time effort into that, and
you gotta take your hat out. I mean, everyone I've
ever seen, no matter who's who, was there and they
were all great, you know, And I think that one
was good. I don't think it was one of the
most excellent Two Bowl halftime shows I've ever seen anything
like that, but I mean I liked it. It was good.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
Okay, did you are you a Drake guy?
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Then? Is that what that is? No? Okay, I'm not
a Drake guy. I'm not a Kendred guy. Listen to
I'm I'm actually tired of him to going at it, honestly, really, yeah,
I'm tired of it. It's like they play that song.
Everybody lose their freaking mind, right and all the dud dude, Okay,
that don't put no money in my pocket.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
I didn't.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
I listened to it on Spotify, so but I paid
for Spotify, I guess, so no, I honestly, Now, the
big part to me was just even how it started,
and just to me, it's just it gets to a
point where it's overdone. That's just me. Hopefully it is
now that he didn't diet it on this national stage,
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the international stage, and he put that whole thing out
there and the song is probably one of the best
songs ever individual songs, and so hopefully that he can stop.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
With that one and be done. Now now you know
it's not gonna see is why not he can't top it?
Because it's hard to lose. Its hard to.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Drake wins his lawsuit and win two billion dollars, Drake won.
I don't care what kid did. If Drake wins his
lawsuit with Sony and get two billion dollars, then who wins.
Speaker 5 (20:24):
Well, he would win from a financial standpoint.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
That's all I care about. But see from a from
a street Craig going to t move we get two billion.
I'm telling us.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
From a street credit standpoint, Drake won't be able to last.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
United. If you got two billion dollars, you shouldn't be
in the streets anyway. How about that two hundred dollars
and you should be in the street. Go out the streets.
Anybody's making one three thousand gets you by ship.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Maybe maybe they let Drake perform at the Canadian Football
League half time.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Performance yesterday or something like that. They just posting video
Drake had a performance and something like that has a
huge Drake fan So oh really, yes, I don't I
don't you know what, I can't understand what the Hally's saying.
Let's me be real, all the whole this min this
this meant that I don't have time to listen to
he is like that. That's why I go back to
the Isley Brothers old school stuff. But they actually said
exactly what they did. You know what I'm saying. I
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listened to that.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
You know what the Isley Brothers said, time is truly wasting.
Did they did say that?
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Yes? Absolutely?
Speaker 4 (21:23):
Hey can you stee around for a little bit longer?
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (21:25):
All right, cool.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
So I want to ask you about Debo, about Deebo,
about Cooper Cup, all those things. See, if you would
want the Broncos to pursue them? Coming up here in
free agency, this our chance to one of a thousand
dollars coming over the next five minutes thanks to Standbrick
Dental Group. Over right back Rod Smith the studio, rod
Smith is studio with us. All Right, what do you
think about Deebo Samuel's game? Like, what impresses you about him?
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Would you want the Broncos to pursue him if that
becomes an option?
Speaker 2 (21:50):
If Deebo sam just keeps the attitude of these guys,
we don't need them. And Deebo Sams' game as a
football player, Oh man, this dude and uh, I just
and it. It was we called the circumstances too. With
Kyle Shanahan. I think he was very creative and getting
that kid the ball. And this dude is, like Nick
Eame said, he's like a tank running the football. He
runs like he's just like a running back. He played
running back. He's doing a lot of the stuff that
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we were creatively doing with Marvin Members. He's doing that,
but honestly at another level because he's he's a big,
strong guy, a great route runner, you know, hands hands
at times. You know, I guess last year he has
several drops last year. But at the end of the day,
you want good football players on your team. Football players.
A lot of these guys they want to be influenced.
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A lot of these guys they bring a baggage that
you can't infect your locker room from the inside, and
some people people don't realize that. Sometimes you get a
great player, but you also get you brought the cancer
inside and you start looking outside for how to find
how to cure it. No, you brought it in here.
And I'm not saying he's that, but for him to
go and ask for a trade after the success he's
had with the Niners, to me, guys can do that now.
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I wouldn't in it. I didn't play in the area
where you go, Hey, Mike Man, things ain't working out.
I want to go somewhere else. You know, he looked
at me like I was crazy. So these guys today
they got a little bit more I guess influence or
uh kahonas to be going up to ownership and talk about, Hey,
I want to get out.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
Is that your biggest reservation? Dave his attitude, Yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
Don't I don't I don't know. Yes, I would not
want to bring anybody into the locker room, especially this
locker room in Denver, which the last couple of years,
one with Sean, actually two now with Sean and George
combining the draft and free agency, they have been very
intentional about obviously trying to find guys that can play.
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But you want the right kind of guys. You want
guys that are going to fit in the locker room,
love football or not divas, they're good teammates. You want
those guys because if you get more of those guys
than you do of divas, then you still have a
chance those guys will run the locker room.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
When you get too.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Many of the selfish, meme me guys and not enough
of the core guys like hey, it's about what we
need to do as a team, then you start losing
games because you get guys that act up. I would
differ with Rod a little bit. I think, uh, I
think Deebo is a really good player. I think he's
a running back the sort of masquerades as a wide receiver.
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But I don't think he's a guy that could live
in the running back room and survive in the league.
Where I don't love him. I love him on screens.
I love him on jet sweep. I love him one
hitches and making a corner come up and try to
tackle that dude. That's that's not easy. Where I don't
think he's as good as he can be is as
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a route runner. I don't I've watched him, you know,
run some of the route trees like I like. I
like Brandon Auk better as a pure route runner. The
guy sitting next to me was a really good route runner.
Eddie McCaffrey was a really crafty but really good route runner.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Deebo.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
I just haven't seen he was a guy I gotta
figure out. I got to get the ball to him
seven eight, nine times? How do I get his hands
on the ball. He's maybe bigger body, bigger, stronger body,
maybe a little bit like Marvin Mims. I think the
coaches had a dilemma with respect to Mimes. I don't
know this for a fact, but maybe because you know,
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unless it was a deep ball, I didn't see memes
and intermediate stuff, And I'm like, why he didn't get the.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Run routes Like I'm saying, yeah, And I agree with
you on that with deebo I. A lot of the
stuff seemed like he got the ball through like not
gadget plays but almost gimmick perer design They designed to
get to him in certain places. Those things, well, he
can run, he can hook up, but running a running
a peer comeback, running a you know, corner route. Yeah, yeah,
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your double move stuff like that. You know you saw
him running more like you said, you just sweeping gimick stuff,
stuff out of the backfield. We're going to get the back.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Of the stuff. You didn't go to the right place.
Let's just say a trade happens. I mean, what deebo
I think is gonna find out is the guy creating
the offense in San Francisco is pretty good.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
He's pretty creative.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
He comes up with different ways, split reductions, there's all
sorts of ways to sort of make a defense step
back and say okay.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
All right.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
I mean, what you don't want him to do is
just go play. You want him to have to communicate
like okay, cut. But I mean, and Kyle is an
expert at that. Not every coach in the NFL has
that kount of ability.
Speaker 5 (26:34):
See I for me, I look at it from a
defensive standpoint, what guy is going to give me the
most issues? So I disagree with both Ron and Dave
on this this kind of idea because when I look
at Debo and you can't have a lot of these guys,
but you need some guys with some grit and some attitude,
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because automatically, my mind goes back to twenty fifteen looking
at the Broncos secondary and no flies on and the
way that they had the mentality. Usually coaches like, well,
you can't do what a keep to leave and TJ.
Ward and Stewart are doing. I mean, no, no, no,
that that goes against the football rules. But I want
guys who possessed that attitude.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Now.
Speaker 5 (27:16):
Granted, Rod mentioned something about looking at Debo and just
thinking about OBJ. Now OBJ took it to a whole
different extent, and sometimes that happened in today's game, where
players like, look, you know it turns to me first.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
But I'd rather have a me guy who actually cares
about his touches and losing games than a guy that who.
Speaker 5 (27:35):
Just happy to have a locker in New Jersey. You
think he's a great route runner, No, no, no, no,
I don't think that he is the best route runner. Yeah,
agree as far as that part. But because he is
in the roles that he plays in San Francisco's offense,
College developed an excellent.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Way to deploy him.
Speaker 5 (27:54):
No, I agree, he's great in that particular role. So
going to a gene that we talk about him coming here,
but come eat. Okay, that's what that's the whole president
coming here here.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
I said, if you bringing your attitude with your baggage,
didn't know, I don't care how good you are. I
lived through that. I watched us bring guys in who
didn't fit our culture. Trust, yes, I lived a little
bas we winning games, and you bring this guy in
because he's a good player. And you know what happened.
He tore our lot of room apart. And then I
had I was telling somebody's story there. I'm not gonna
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tell the whole story here. At the end of the
season and won the seasons. All of a sudden, I
got a call in with the GM might He wanted
to go have lunch with me. I don't do business
and lunch. We's an ego. We talk which one you
want to do? So I went to the office to
talk to him at the time because we want to
talk business. And he's sitting there trying to get me
to take a pay cut. I'm like, first, why am
I taking the pay cut? I had the team again,
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I'm not taking a pay cut. Well, we want you
and Eddie max number. Well, me and Eddie Max numbers
are not the same, so our salary shouldn't be the same. Now,
just my man and I want ed to get all
his money, but I want all mine too, real tell me.
But here's the other thing. I said, Oh, you're trying
to line the locker room up. I sat there and
gave him three, four or five scenarios of how they
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destroyed the locker room. They brought this guy in, Keith
Burns was supposed to be starting with he when you're
a one play away from me to start this, a
guy got hurt in front of him. Keiths supposed to play.
You know what they did, They went got a guy
in free agency off the street that he started in
front of Key. I said, dude, you understand you just
ruled out of the locker room the day you did
that because everybody's waiting on keep to play and y'all
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didn't let him play. Dan, here's a crazy part. Another
linebacker got hurt. Keith moved old. You moved it from
star side the weak side.
Speaker 5 (29:39):
The weak side.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Backer got hurt. You know what they did. They did
the same thing that we got another guy off the street.
Put him in front of Keith again and everybody in
the locker room because we love Keith, he's the leader
of our team. You demoralized him and you're reliating him
in front of all of us. We don't have respect
for you anymore. And I named some other people. I said,
you're trying to get some money, Go get this guy.
You gave that money to you. You gave this guy money,
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but you're not getting out the Rods money. Simply as that.
If you want to get my money, y'all just going
to let me go. I'll go somewhere else. I had
another thousand plus y'all seasons, and I don't operate like
that as far as trying to go in there and
bully or nothing like that. But you called me in
to have a meeting, and I explain to you my perspective.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
From in the locker room. It might have just wanted lunch.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
No, yeah, place the place we wanted to go to lunch,
they was out of business. No, it wasn't, says I
love citizens. I grew up on sisters back in the
day broke. But but if I had some siszors, I
mean money, no joke, no doubt. Was you read to
have Cooper cupp or Deebo Samuel Cooper Coupany had some injuries.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
Depos had some injuries, but not.
Speaker 5 (30:45):
As many as you think, and they've been soft tissue
engine I I like, I say.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Skill wise both up. You got a triple pray guy,
a triple triple crawn guy, and you got a guy
like you said, if you're gonna be creative with the football,
and this is that Debo one of those guys get.
But if he's gonna come with the attitude, no, I'd
rather have Cup. I know Cupan, you don't give me
no attitude. If coup can stay healthy, this dude's one
of the best route runners in the game, and I
think he can teach how other young guys and the
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quarterback as well.
Speaker 5 (31:13):
If so, if you want to give me those two
choices to give me Cup, I'll take Cup too as well, because.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Well, what.
Speaker 5 (31:23):
If on the table we were talking about Devo, I
mean he just Ryan just entered something else.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Into the equation where he got two players instead of one.
So that was the question.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
Yeah, but you said you wanted attitude in the locker room.
You said they were missing it.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
That's what you said. It's still true. Yeah, you do
have attitude performed. You can go out there and perform.
You don't have to be this Roy Rock. You don't
have to be that way.
Speaker 5 (31:46):
You can.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
You don't have to be this this crazy alpha male
blah blah blah. Yeah, this scream and cussing, doing all
that stuff, and play good football.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
Hey listen, this this my point before we go to
break comes from a former wide receiver. Aim the best
team you can think of where a wide receiver in
the locker room was your attitude, alpha dog, set the tempo.
This is how this is going to be. And just
call me whenever I'm going.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
I want to say what that one Super Bowl?
Speaker 4 (32:22):
Yep, I just killed the whole round.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
No, man, get the go, go check the defensive guys.
The attitude of.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
A great team always comes from the defensive side of
the ball or the offensive line. You can have great players,
you can have great players wide receivers. I mean both
of us played wide receiver. I mean every now and then,
you got to speak up. But if you if you
think a wide receiver is setting the tone for a
great team in the locker room.
Speaker 5 (32:53):
When we send the tone like like what I said,
he doesn't have to be vocal when I look at
a guy like Debo when I talk about own center
and attitude, is the level of physicality brings to the game.
You mentioned the fact that he was injured. He played
several games. If you were a physical player, for sure,
and he got through that. He's a physical player.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
Nobody else in that locker room, even though you were there,
would would say the Deebo Samuel is the guy like
I mean, Trent Williams is the guy that sets the
tone on offense, right, Hi.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Ben, how are you dude?
Speaker 5 (33:27):
Well?
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Keishawn Johnson huh was vocal vocal wide receivers team won
a championship.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
That was the only like off the top, that was
what I could think of.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
I tried a J.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
Brown.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
They did not have Tory Holton.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Bruce work the vocal and being a leader like Nick
was talking about, kind of the alpha dog, the toughness quotient. No,
don't even don't even tough, don't even front and that
is never going to come from the receiver room.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
He wrote the book give me the damn Ball like
a big.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Mouth, Okay, and I thought was a good player. But
in terms of like the toughness thing, well, no, if
you're saying.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Tough then no, I'm not including if you had that
cave yacht, which was not in there before this was
I didn't hear wants to cut out.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
Of that was Calvin Johns. I mean, Calvin Johnson really wasn't.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
He wasn't.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
I'm just I'm just trying to think maybe he's the
only guy I can think of that would fit that
role with the toughness.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Well he Baltimore too, that you asked. Please.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Now we're we're getting away from the Baltimore defense with
ray Lewis and and you know, well, but Tennessee didn't
win one, did he?
Speaker 2 (34:38):
They lost? I guess to Rams, Rams, Yeah, we.
Speaker 5 (34:41):
Have to make sure that we are defining toughness in
a certain way behind because toughness is the physical.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Closest one that we've talked about so far today, I
would agree with Hines work.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
He wasn't tough. He wasn't.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
He wasn't. No, No, I know he back, let me
know that if you're going to say this was dirty,
I didn't say he wasn't dirty. I don't have to
define toughness because it's the same thing for him, for
(35:15):
that guy you do, for who for No, we just
have a different opinion.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
No, hitting's someone when they're not looking, that's not toughness. Okay,
hitting me in my face while I'm looking at.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
Suit, I'm sure he hits you when you weren't looking.
But if you go back, I can find many examples
of heines Ward digging out of safety and hitting him
right in the face. Well he didn't do that to me,
well not to you, so he might not be tough
in your world. Like George Atkinson I thought was a
punk hit me in the back of the head like twice.
Jack Tatum would hit me right in my face and
(35:46):
did much more. I do too, I do too. But
the only person that I can think of that has
an NFL pedigree that would say hines Ward wasn't a
tough physical player is you?
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Sucker man? Nick is a lot of fun.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Man.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
Appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Appreciate you. Hey, let me know when you get those
yoga pants. I want to make sure I'm here for that.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
I'll hit you, yeah you want to, you wanta try
some on? Never mind, Greg, great job. Rick Lewis is
going to be the stew.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Of US tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (36:19):
Looking forward to that BCT next
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