02-12-25 KOA Sports Hour 2 with Rick Lewis

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back, five six six nine zeros are Kway common
spirithealth text line. All right, so we've played a little
bit of Nick Bennie. We'll get to that here just
a little bit. We played a sound from Ryan Clark's podcast,
sort of talking about what happened his rookie year with
Racket and russburning. Here from Nick talking about Sean Payton
and how he's changed the culture. But I told you
I would go through some of the free agent tight

(00:22):
ends if you will. It's not is not the greatest
group of tight ends. I mean again, it's probably a
good thing that the draft looks to be very promising.
The top guy on the list is Tyler Conklin, formerly
of the Jets.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
He's gonna be a free agent. Juwan Johnson that that
actually has his name, probably to keep in mind since
he played with the Saints.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
Moley Cox from Indianapolis. Yea name now, Harrison Bryant.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
He's got a cool name. We need to sign him.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
Austin and Hooper zach Ertz. Now zach Ertz is he's
showed he still has something. But yeah, he's thirty four
yearyears old. It's gonna be thirty five this year. Mikezicky.
That's an interesting name. Look pretty good there with the Bengals.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
Oh, Joe Burrow's out there telling everybody that he wants
it back. So we'll see if they can do that.
But that kind of I mean they get into.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
The Chris Manhertz of the world, which we've seen that.
There's another name, Eric Salbert. That's the list.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
So there you go. That is a free agent tight
end list. So Dave, I'll start with you.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
I mean Amy on there that jumps out to you
that you say, well, gosh, I think that we need
to add him, plus add somebody in the draft.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
I mean the Koseky thing. Again.

Speaker 4 (01:37):
You and I have talked about this and Rick Rick
is with us today. But you know, he looked really
good this year with the Bengals. But I think I'm
not saying he can't play. I think he's a rangey receiver,
runs pretty well, has pretty good hands. But you have
to understand when you play in that offense with Jamar

(01:57):
Chase and T Higgins, I mean, you're going to benefit
from coverage. Leverage. You're not going to see a lot
of coverage. A lot of what you see is, hey,
make sure you got whoever lines up on the other
side will play him. Man, you know it's almost you know,
it's not quite that simple.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
But in the.

Speaker 4 (02:19):
Broncos game against the Bengals, you know, I think Kaseki
had like five catches in the first half. Well, it
was because I believe everything was directed to Jamar Chase.
They left Riley Moss on T Higgins a lot, and
they either doubled Jamar or they rolled to him, or
they just made sure we're not going to get beat

(02:42):
by Jamar Chase having a two hundred yard game. Well,
then here's Mike Giseki. I mean, sometimes running routes against
linebackers inside linebacker, you're supposed to win that matchup.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
So I don't know.

Speaker 4 (02:55):
I think from the tight end spot, I think they're
better off. Looking in the draft, it's good. I talked
with a scout yesterday who called sort of doing doing
homework on players in the draft, and this is a
really good draft for tight ends.

Speaker 3 (03:14):
And there are.

Speaker 4 (03:16):
I mean there are probably six tight ends two three.
There are probably six or seven tight ends that will
go within the first three rounds. Maybe three of those
guys will be first round picks. Right, So you've got

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I mean, you get the guy from Penn State, you
get the Michigan tight end who's probably as good, if
not a better athlete than any of them, Coaston Loveland.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
You've got Arroyo.

Speaker 4 (03:49):
Down in Miami, who's a two hundred and probably fifty
five or sixty pound tight end who's once he gets going,
I'm telling you he can run him. He is like
big time fast. So you know, I think again long one,
did I think Yeap Gunner, who I coached in high school.

(04:09):
I mean, he's projected to be a you know, somewhere
right in the middle, their third round, fourth round pick.
He's a two hundred and fifty pound tight end, excellent hands,
can play in line, but a really good athlete, So
I'd go at that position. I think the Broncos at
least we'll have the opportunity the option to go young.

Speaker 3 (04:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (04:31):
I'm a no on the free agents you just mentioned
for various reasons, and I agree with Dave. I think
this is a good year to draft a tight end
and maybe you can get a good value pick because
the Broncos are not going to be in on Tyler
Warren or Loveland. I don't think with the twentieth pick,
but there's some value there. You mentioned your guy, Gunner Helm,

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the guy who coached in high school, somebody like that.
If they loved that guy and they look at him
as a value pick and round three or four, I'd
rather do that than sign any of the free agents
you mentioned.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
I think you're absolute right by the way, Dave, I
mean looking at the group here. I mean you mentioned
the top two guys, Tyler Warren Culson Loveland.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
A lot of mocks having them go in the first round.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
Harold Fannin at Old Green is one that's projected to
go maybe late Day one, early day two.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
Gunner Hell's projected to be a Day two guy.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
Elijah Royal, you mentioned him Miami, Mason Taylor at LSU.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
How much about him, but he.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
Looked really good out there at the Senior Bowl. Terrence
Ferguson out of Organ.

Speaker 4 (05:32):
Terrence Ferguson is a Denver product, played his high school
football at Heritage High School. YEP, they like him. He's
I would say he's similar in terms of his skill
set to a guy like Gunner Hilm. I mean, Terrence
Ferguson can run. He's probably not your prototypical inline tight end.

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But those guys, I mean the guys that you know,
the guys nowadays that you're paying money, or guys that
you can figure out how to get to space that
they can catch it and are good enough athletes, and
then they're willing to block when you put them down
in line.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
So that's I mean, that's seven right there before we're
getting to I mean to any other group.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
So I'm one hundred percent with you.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
So for le Broncos, and I think it's bring up
a good point there, Rick that you don't necessarily have
to take one of these guys that's twenty Now, if
you're in love with Colston Lovelin, for example, Tyler Warren
has to slip. Maybe that's the direction you decide to go.
But reality is, because of the depth and the same
thing with the running back position, there's an opportunity there
to bolster, say your defensive line. There's an opportunity maybe
to add, hey, if you like one of the top

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two play making safeties that are going to be there,
because it's another position that Sean Payton brought up that
they're going to be looking at. So honestly, and we'll
get to the NFL draft stuff, especially out of the
combine here in a week and a half, very much
looking forward to that. I don't know if there's many
positions that I'm gonna be so upset that they take. Honestly,
I don't think there's a single player or position group

(07:00):
that we've talked about, Dave. I don't know this very
early in this conversation, but is there anything that you
would say at twenty that you're like, you absolutely don't
need that?

Speaker 2 (07:07):
Is that like kicker.

Speaker 4 (07:09):
Or quarterback? Yeah, quarterback, I would think they wouldn't. There's
two first round quarterbacks, so there might be three.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
Kid from Mississippi Dark Jackson Dart getting a lot of buzz.
I know it's very early, right when we're talking a
February conversation about buzz.

Speaker 4 (07:30):
It never ceases to amaze me. And we see it
every single year in the NFL. Guys with an abundance
of tape, and these scouts and gms and coaches and
every other NFL personnel evaluate these tapes. They go look

(07:51):
at them in game situations, and they come to the
conclusion based on hours and hours of evaluation, where they
project a particular player to get drafted and then and
really only not only but primarily with the quarterback position.

(08:11):
They go to a pro day and they watch him throw,
and then magically they forget about all the game tape
that they watched and the conclusions they came to and
they watch him throw in a T shirt in shorts
and they're like, well, damn well, we need a quarterback.

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And he's big, he's strong, he's the first round guy.
So if Jackson Dark, I mean Jackson Dark, may be
that guy because there's always one or two quarterbacks to
kind of elevate their draft stock after their.

Speaker 3 (08:48):
Playing career is over, which is just amazing to me.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
It is, it is remarkable, it it really is.

Speaker 4 (08:55):
It really, I mean at that position because the league
is so very much in search of guys with a
heartbeat that can play a little quarterback. And Jackson Dark
once again, cool name, Yeah, cool name spells it with
an X, Jackson with an X.

Speaker 3 (09:12):
He's moving up.

Speaker 4 (09:13):
It looks like in a lot of these mock drafts, uh,
some even saying he might be a better pick than
a Chaudeur. I've seen that a couple of these mock
drafts to Jackson Dark played last weekend somewhere, and I
just missed it.

Speaker 3 (09:27):
Nope.

Speaker 4 (09:28):
Yeah, but you're right now, your point is, your point
is valid. For some reason, he's moving up on the
draft boards. And now maybe some of these people that
put out these mock drafts, they're just trying to get
you to talk about them in their draft. And you
know by saying, hey, Jackson Dark better fit than Shador Sanders,
you know, for these teams, and.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
That gets people talking.

Speaker 4 (09:47):
But it does look like he's getting a lot of
buzz right now for what for what?

Speaker 3 (09:51):
What's what reason?

Speaker 1 (09:53):
I mean, he looks like the best quarterback out at
the Senior Bowl, But what does that necessarily mean?

Speaker 3 (09:58):
Right?

Speaker 1 (09:59):
Desires you It's one one thousand dollars coming up the
next five minutes thanks to stanbrid dental growth gets a
reaction to him, saying Sean, how much Sean Payin has
changed the culture? What he thought and was most impressed
with bo Nix? All that stuff is really really cool.

Speaker 3 (10:15):
Sound.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
We're gonna get to that here in about ten minutes.
But I got to.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
Get you guys for reaction to one of the stories.
This afternoon and this video surface. I'm gonna say I
saw this last night, but this video surfaced of John
Rocker and Patrick Mahomes Senior down to New Orleans kind
of get into a bit of a light altercation, if
you will, maybe maybe a small shoving match.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
And you're like, all right, well this is awkward. You know.
There's Patrick Mahomes Sr.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
Who's there to support his son in a super Bowl
and he's obviously had his issues with DUIs, right, It's
not like he's been in.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
The news for really good things. And then there's John
Rocker who's almost also not ever been in the news
for good things.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
But here they are outside of a bar having a
bit of an altercation. They go back and forth on
Twitter today both John Rocker sends out of tweet and
then Pat Mahomes Senior sends out of tweet. Barstool has organized,
as as I understand it, they're gonna officially have a
fighting a boxing match called said a rough and rowdy

(11:18):
whatever that is. I don't know what that is on
April eighteenth. So we're see a boxing match. This is
something to fight that everybody's been waiting for. Right, this
is the next Tyson versus whoever? Right, John Rocker, Pat
Mahomes Senor this is uh if.

Speaker 4 (11:31):
I'm Pat Mahomes Junior. Oh, my gosh, I'm making a
call to my dad and saying, Pop, what what are
we here? I'm not even gonna ask you what we're doing.
Here's what we're not doing. You're not fighting John Rocker.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
Nobody.

Speaker 4 (11:47):
I mean, who wants to see these guys are not fighters?
Although Rocker looks like he could fight for real, But
I mean, who wants to see Patrick Mahomes Sr. Fight
John Rocker. Apparently they've had a beef for a while.
That's what I'm interesting. Were they teammates at one point?

Speaker 1 (12:06):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (12:07):
There there's a four year age difference between them. I'm
not sure if they were at some point, but from
what I hear, Rockers made some comments maybe maybe about
his son that he didn't know. Okay, well that then
then let me let me just retract what I said.

Speaker 3 (12:26):
Then all bets are off. And no, I don't know
that to be true.

Speaker 4 (12:30):
But there's there's a lot of speculation that they have
some kind of beef going on. And I did watch
that video carefully a couple of times. I don't think
that was a setup for this boxing match coming up.
I think that this was for real and it happened
on the streets in New Orleans, and it looked like
Rockers coming out of a bar. He's got a drink
in his hand, and Mahomes is in the street and

(12:51):
it looked like Rocker went to kind of shake his
hand or something, and Mahomes went at him. There was
no punch throw of slapped his hand. Yeah, no punches thrown.
There was maybe a little pushing and Rocker got pissed,
and Rocker came at him very aggressively, and there were
a couple of guys holding him back because Rocker he
would have kicked his ass.

Speaker 3 (13:12):
I no doubt about it. Maybe.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
Oh well, oh interesting because we talked about this more
of the break.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (13:19):
I mean, just because you're you're rocked up doesn't necessarily
mean that you can fight.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
Very true, that very weighs him by like fifty sixty pounds.

Speaker 4 (13:32):
Oh I don't, I mean I maybe, I guess. I
mean pat Patrick Mahomes Sr. Is not a small He's
not a small dude.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
He's one.

Speaker 4 (13:41):
Oh I thought he was bigger than that. No, And
he looked pretty skinny. He looked like an old man,
even though he's fifty four. He kind of had the
old man looked to him. So maybe we we got
to try to do what we can to kill this fight.

Speaker 3 (13:53):
You know what I mean? This off?

Speaker 4 (13:57):
Hey, Dave, listen, but no, Rocker was jacked up. He
looked like he's been working out. He probably still juiced.
And I don't think this is going to be a
fair fight.

Speaker 3 (14:07):
I don't. I don't see how this is John Rocker's
lawyer online one.

Speaker 4 (14:11):
For you, Rick, Well, you know he does have a history, Dave,
I'm just basing off of his history.

Speaker 3 (14:19):
Just say it.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
So, yeah, you nailed it. There's no way Pat Maholls
Junior is I mean.

Speaker 3 (14:27):
He didn't want his dad to do god right. I mean,
it's it's admirable.

Speaker 4 (14:31):
If Rocker says some things that were unflattering about about Junior,
I can fully understand why seniors like no, Bro don't
walk up and try to dapt me.

Speaker 3 (14:41):
I mean, you guys know anybody like like I don't
know in the.

Speaker 4 (14:45):
Last maybe five ten years that like runs his mouth.

Speaker 3 (14:53):
Maybe too much.

Speaker 4 (14:55):
And then if they see either one of you like publicly,
they want to adapt you.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
Yeah, very common. Who is a Rick?

Speaker 1 (15:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (15:03):
What what share? Who is it? Is it a radio guy?

Speaker 2 (15:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (15:10):
A fact it is a radio guy? Yes? Is it
a really we know him? Is he still working? Yes?
All right? If you not not.

Speaker 4 (15:21):
That you would ever fight, But if you if I
got Dave Fortnoy to have Rick Lewis and mister X
in a fight, not not boxing, were talking, we're talking
about boxing, would you wager on yourself?

Speaker 3 (15:38):
Absolutely?

Speaker 2 (15:39):
I think you take Ben. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (15:44):
Yeah, for the record, I was thinking Mandy Oh talks
a lot of.

Speaker 3 (15:49):
Grief about No, I'm just kidding.

Speaker 4 (15:51):
For the Jean Rocker December twenty eleven, admitted to using steroids, saying, yeah,
of course I was using steroids. I mean who wasn't.
Let's be honest here, who was it? So he does
have a history. Okay, So then let me take the
call online one here and I'll make sure.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
Let's guys know, all done on the record.

Speaker 3 (16:10):
Just let me put that out there.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
And hopefully he's feeling better about things. We had to
move kurse Eland yesterday. Were supposed to go him at
five o'clock, but then Rod Smith.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
Suddenly showed up. You know, I could turn rod Smith way.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
So we had a good time chatting with Rod Smith
yesterday and kerk Helind's going to join us at five o'clock.
We'll talk a little bit about the Nuggets, the decision
not to do anything at Detroit Deadline, what he thinks
about the Lakers and the Golden State Warriors suddenly looking good.
All the NBA teams by thewa in action tonight, the
final game before you have the All Star break coming

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Speaker 2 (16:51):
Rick lewis in studio with us.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
All right, So earlier Rick, we played some Nick Benito
sound I thought it was a bit of an interesting
sound bite, him talking about the locker room when he
got here his rookie year. Some guys were checked out
cash and checks. So this is Nick Benito on how
Sean Payton has changed the culture of the team. And

(17:13):
by the way, before we get to it, you mentioned
right off the top it's a relatively quick turnaround that
he was able to do this.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
I mean they had to sort of snap out of it.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
And I think that there's something about maybe his delivery,
maybe his style that was part of the reason why
it happened so fast.

Speaker 3 (17:29):
Yeah, that's why they brought in Sean Payton.

Speaker 4 (17:32):
They needed that guy or a Jim Harbaugh type guy
that is a culture changer. And Sean Payton is not
a warm and fuzzy guy. He's from the Bill Parcells tree,
and everybody knows how Bill Parcells was when he was
in the league.

Speaker 3 (17:48):
So they needed that guy, and he did what he's
supposed to do, and he did.

Speaker 4 (17:52):
It very quickly, and he did it with the full
support of this new ownership group. So just the way
it all came together like a perfect storm with the
right ownership group and the right coach.

Speaker 3 (18:06):
Now they have the right quarterback.

Speaker 4 (18:08):
I tell you what, man, there's a lot to be
excited about with this Denver Broncos team and franchise moving forward.

Speaker 3 (18:15):
I can't wait to kick it off this year.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
Same yeah, Oh what a fun off season. This is
going to be, honestly, I mean in.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
Terms of the momentum that they've built, I mean, making
the postseason.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
I understand it was the disappointing lost of the Bills.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
And we'll get to his sound on that too, But
disappointing lost the Bills.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
But you talk about.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
Seeing it right, And ESPN even wrote an article today
that comes it. ESPN even wrote an article today talking
about the Broncos being one of like four or five
teams that are on the right track, right.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
There are some teams that were in this one category.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
They're teetering a little bit, and I think, like, you know,
the Steelers are example of that. They're teams that kind
of are like hanging on to the vestiges of what
they were. But then there's the Broncos, who it's all
optimism at this point going forward. So here's here's Dick Benito,
without further ado talking about what Sean Payton has done
to change the culture and this is some great stuff
and what impresses him the most about bon Nicks.

Speaker 5 (19:09):
Yeah, I mean Sean like he just he know what
he wants.

Speaker 3 (19:12):
Like, I mean, he's been in.

Speaker 5 (19:13):
The championships, He's had successful teams, so he knows what
it takes. And at the end of the day, you know,
there was like, you know, people that weren't trying to
do that, and there's people it was and he just.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
You know, he wann't trying to hear that.

Speaker 5 (19:24):
So I mean he got the right people in the building. Uh,
even sometimes me and him could still go at it
because you know, I'm a competitor.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
He is too, But I.

Speaker 5 (19:31):
Feel like he look he likes that kind of toxicity
in the way his players.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
So but nah, I mean he's been cool.

Speaker 5 (19:37):
Everybody don't see like that cool side of him too.
Was he going with Bo? Was Bo go with him
when it was on the sideline?

Speaker 1 (19:44):
Argue?

Speaker 3 (19:45):
He ain't touching Bro, that's his boy.

Speaker 5 (19:47):
That's a sign Bo is off limits to everybody on
the on the on the team, but nobody can touch
that man. So Bo definitely want to have to put
hands on him. I don't want to speak for them,
but I why in college I didn't know what.

Speaker 3 (20:02):
Was what I saw last season? Did you know before
us was it camp?

Speaker 5 (20:05):
Was at the point that you looked at like Nick
is Let me be like I would say, the surprising
part is just like how fast he is, Bro, because
like you really don't know it until.

Speaker 3 (20:14):
You actually run. Yes, Bro.

Speaker 5 (20:17):
So, I mean that part of his game is different,
and I feel like that's what's kind of going to
separate him as like his career goes on and he
learns just know how to, you know, continue to be
a good passer in the league on top of this
stuff that.

Speaker 3 (20:28):
He can do with his legs.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
What was your reaction to that, Dave, Well, which part, Well,
I mean you talked about you know, Sean, and I
like you the culture. Yeah, I like the word to
use it like he's like, he's cool with that toxicity,
Like he likes the back and forth.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
He likes people challenging him and pushing back a little bit. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (20:47):
I think I think to a degree that may be true.
I do think that Sean did a good job coming
in and identifying really sort of the type players he wanted,
and he and Georgia have had a good plan working
together to bring those type players into the locker room.

(21:08):
You mean you want high character players. You want guys
that are team oriented, you want guys that are work.
I mean they are about the work. Football is really
important to them, right. I mean you might it might
be your faith and your family, but I think for
a guy like Sean Payton, the very next thing for

(21:29):
his ideal player better be football. And I think he's
going about trying to bring those type guys into the
locker room. I think, you know, it's funny to hear
about Bo and Sean and and sort of the interaction,
and I do think what Nick said is true. And
he said what about Bo and Sean and kind of
going out. He goes, listen, that's his son, I mean,

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And so there's a guy. There's a respect level, I think,
and it's it's come pretty quickly really with a veteran
head coach and a young quarterback. And it's obvious and
it has been right from the start that Sean very
much loves bow and everything about him. And I think
he sees in bow Knicks a lot of the similar

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characteristics that he saw and enjoyed coaching with Drew Brees.

Speaker 3 (22:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (22:18):
Interesting, a couple of those sideline little altercations between the two.
We talked about that a lot, and you don't see
that too often with a rookie quarterback. I don't think, Dave,
where a rookie quarterback is going to push back against
a veteran Super Bowl winning coach like Sean Payton.

Speaker 3 (22:38):
But bow Nicks did. And it seemed like Sean Payton
loved that, you know. And as Dave you mentioned, well,
like he's his son.

Speaker 4 (22:46):
You know, my dad I wouldn't talk to my dad
would push back, you know, when I was living with
my dad and he was the guy. You know, There's
no way I'm pushing back on that. But bo Nicks
seems like he got the respect of the locker room
by doing that number one, and also his head coach,
Sean Payton, he didn't seem to mind one bit. So

(23:08):
it's a pretty cool dynamic that they have. I don't
think you see that too often with a rookie.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
I found with with some people.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
Right, they respect you more, and you have to sort
of pick and choose who these people are or those battles,
But they respect you more when you push back against them.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
Right, if you just sort of lay down when they
when they challenge you.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
Then and I'm looking at you, Dave, if you just
sort of lay down when they challenge you, then then
they're not going to really respect you very much. But
if you push back, then there's like all right, all right,
won't see what you're made of.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
I'm into that, So again, Dave, any comment on that,
I'm just kidding.

Speaker 3 (23:43):
No, I think I would.

Speaker 4 (23:44):
I would actually have to observe that to have a comment.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
Yeah, wow, well, well we'll play.

Speaker 3 (23:53):
I mean, you know that myself, but.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
I did that to myself.

Speaker 4 (23:59):
It'd be like mem and in on what's it like
to steer like a yacht into the open waters.

Speaker 3 (24:06):
Of the Pacific.

Speaker 4 (24:07):
But I've never done it, never seen it. I think
your point is well taken. I think I think you
have to pick and choose and be smart about it.
As a player. It can't it can't there there there
are lines that are there that you just don't want
to cross, no matter who you are. Now the quarterbacks lines,

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he gets a few more lines than than a regular.

Speaker 3 (24:31):
Player, uh, a position player, but there's still you know,
there's a respect level.

Speaker 4 (24:39):
That Bo Nicks I think has for Sean Payton and
vice versa. But make no mistake about it, Sean is
still the head coach and there are going to be
times when Sean is going to chew on bow and
you know what Bo's He's very well equipped to stand
there and just let the head coach get it off
his chest.

Speaker 3 (24:57):
I mean you have to.

Speaker 4 (24:58):
You have to understand the hierarchy of the NFL, and
sometimes that head coach is going to chew your ass
and you in your heart you know he's not right,
but you got to let him say it and then
he'll walk away and then cooler heads will prevail.

Speaker 3 (25:16):
You know.

Speaker 4 (25:17):
Interesting the year before we saw that happen with Russell Wilson,
a ten time Pro Bowler Super Bowl winner.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
There wasn't hardly any pushback from Russ when Sean Payton
did that to him and.

Speaker 4 (25:29):
After a couple of times. But I think it was
a different level of aggression with with Sean and Russ.
I think Sean in many respects just did not like
coaching Russell, period. And I think we saw a couple

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of times during the season that come.

Speaker 3 (25:54):
Right to the forefront.

Speaker 4 (25:57):
I think he's really enjoyed coaching bow and so I
think that exchange that they had.

Speaker 3 (26:02):
I can't remember what game that was he.

Speaker 4 (26:03):
And Boy the Raiders at home Russell was the Lions game.

Speaker 3 (26:08):
Yeah, but that's what I mean.

Speaker 4 (26:10):
The exchange that that Seawan and bo had during the
Raiders game here was I think much much different from
Sean's standpoint than what he said and did to Russell
in the Detroit game.

Speaker 3 (26:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (26:28):
I think you're probably right about that, and Bo is
his guy. Russ was a right guy, that's right. Yeah,
as you just said, do you guys see the Super
Bowl odds that came out.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
I did see them.

Speaker 4 (26:39):
Broncos, I'm going to take the Eagles minus eighteen. Oh,
you mean next year's super Bowl or Super Bowl Broncos
forty to one to win the Super Bowl, forty to one,
forty to one to win it. Where where's that on
the list? It's about middle of the pactor, about fifteenth.
It looks like, okay, just behind Tampa Bay thirty five

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to one.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
We'll say this for a lot of those listen that
they were already doing some of the power rankings of
you know, postseason right rankings going into next year, that
type of thing.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
That Broncos are kind of middle of the pack.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
They think they are fourteenths and a lot of you
know rankings of where they think this team is. I mean,
it's certainly a far crime from what they were last year,
which is like the mid twenties.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
So there is some optimism sort of building for this team.
Now it's up to the Broncos to sort of carry
that forth really quick.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
Here's Nick Benito talking about what the team learned from
the Bills loss. Yeah, I mean that.

Speaker 5 (27:29):
Second half, like you definitely kind of seen that experience
that they've been there before. You know a lot of
them guys's best too. So I mean it was no phase,
you know, nothing phase. I mean it was ten seven
and a half time, they're just like, all right, it's
like it's just a football game. Where I feel like
we kind of looked at it and seeing how like
the second half was going, and like whenever stuff went bad,

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like it just kept like spiraling and we didn't really
have an answer. So I feel like just the experienced
part of it where you can see it on day and.

Speaker 3 (27:57):
Compared to r M.

Speaker 5 (27:58):
But I definitely think like kind of sharpen us a little.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
Bit to be better at the future.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
Yeah, so that was an interesting point. He said when
it was ten seven and a half, they weren't phased, and.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
He's right.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
So from an experience standpoint, I think we talked about
it going into the game, Dave. We talked about like, hey,
is there a way that you can get them thinking,
uh oh, the Broncos might You thought with that very
first touchdown pass, maybe the Bills might get into a
bit of a panic mode.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
This isn't going the way we thought it was going
to go.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
But he said it we knew right were right away
in the second half that they weren't fhased at all
by us.

Speaker 4 (28:32):
Yeah, I think the Broncos didn't. They didn't put enough
pressure on Buffalo in the second half. I mean, when
you score in the first possession four plays seventy three
yards and I think it was and that's great. You know,
after a good start. The bench was very much in it.
I'm in everybody's like, okay, here we go. And then
Buffalo drives down Dember's defense stops him at seven to three,

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ten seven and a half time. But what Denver needed
to do in the second half was continue to put
pressure on them, and they couldn't move the ball offensively,
and conversely, the Bills just sort of methodically, I thought,
started to wear on the Denver defense up front.

Speaker 3 (29:13):
So I mean, I would agree with Nick.

Speaker 4 (29:17):
I think it's a learning process, and you got to
the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (29:21):
You played a really good team on the road.

Speaker 4 (29:23):
It's like Sean talked about, I think the next day
in the season ending press conference, and I'm paraphrasing here,
but he said, we've got to find ways to get
these games at home. Well, the only way you're going
to get those games at home is to win the West,
which means that to me.

Speaker 3 (29:40):
I like the fact that he said it.

Speaker 4 (29:43):
And if I'm Andy Reid, I'm having my quality control
guy or one of them clipped that comment, and I'm
going to play it for the team next year because that,
to me, I would take as a direct shot at
me if I coach Kansas City. Love it from Denver's perspective,
it's like, we're not going to be satisfied just getting

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the playoffs and doing this. We want to get in
the playoffs and have a home playoff game.

Speaker 3 (30:08):
I loved it.

Speaker 4 (30:09):
Yeah, And watching the Chiefs get their butts kicks in
the Super Bowl, I thought about the Broncos a lot,
and to me, it seemed like this is part of
the turning point for this Denver Broncos team moving forward.
We may be watching the Chiefs possibly the beginning of
the end of this run, and they're probably going to
lose most of the wide receivers, maybe Travis Kelcey, so

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a bit of a rebuild with maybe the greatest quarterback
that ever played and greatest head coach. But I started
feeling more and more excited and optimistic about the Broncos
future watching that in the Super Bowl.

Speaker 3 (30:46):
It made me feel really good to see that. And
I think what.

Speaker 4 (30:50):
Sean Payton said, just like Dave, I thought good for
him for saying that he's setting the bar for this
team and he's not afraid to do it, and I
think that's a good thing.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
I love that we have you on today to predict
the Chiefs demise.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
Good stuff for Rick. Wait, wait to be out there.

Speaker 3 (31:06):
You know what I like to come in with some
hot takes.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, officially, officially official, Rick Lewis, the Chiefs
are done.

Speaker 4 (31:15):
Love that done. You're not going to be done when
you have Patrick Mahomes. But maybe it's time for a
bit of a slide, right. I think they're coming back
to the pack, that's all I'm looking at.

Speaker 3 (31:26):
Me, stop to think about this.

Speaker 4 (31:27):
If they don't make the AFC Championship Game this coming season,
that's a slide.

Speaker 3 (31:31):
That's a slide back first time in eight seasons.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
So to me again, you talk about the standard, right,
and hey, when you win, the standard becomes the next
whatever the next thing is. And so for Sean Payton,
you said it, the next standard for us is to
win the division. Got to get there. We got to
It's not just enough to scrape in at number seven.
We've got to have home field in the first round.
Whatever that looks like. That's got to be the next thing.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
Okay, cool. Yeah, I mean that's that's a building block.
Love that.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
But the Chiefs the standard is in the super Bowl.
I mean, there is no other version of this. And
you're right, if they missed the AFC Championship game, that
is a disastrous season.

Speaker 4 (32:06):
Well, I mean, I don't know if it'd be a
disastrous It would be a little bit of a slide back.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
Okay, yeah, sure, I guess disastrous. Would we missed the playoffs? Yeah,
that would be disastrous. Y.

Speaker 3 (32:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
But I again, short of Rick Lewis once again predicting
their demise, I don't see with Patrick Mahomes, Andy Reid
still returning, even if Travis Kelsey retires and they move
on from several of their wide receivers, their offensive line
needs to be rebuilt. I mean, obviously they're having some
issues there. It still feels like you've got the quarterback,
you've got the coach, You're going to be in a

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lot of games.

Speaker 3 (32:38):
But at about this year, this was.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
The year, right, I mean they won a lot of
close games. Those games tilt the other way.

Speaker 4 (32:47):
See, I think I think last year was the year
for me, at least last year was the year that
I thought, Okay, this is set up. They're not going
to be able to get out of this alive. They
had to go on the road to Buffalo first, and
I thought the Bills, I mean late late in the season,
early in the preseason, cold weather, Josh Allen, tough place

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to play, they find a way to win a game late,
and then they got to go to Baltimore the AFC
Championship Game as an underdog, and they find a way
to beat the Ravens in Baltimore. So I thought last
year was sort of the year that other teams in
THEFC would say, now it's our turn. But you're right,
I mean, they weren't as good offensively this year as

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we've seen them. Although I did think this was their
best defense, I really did.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
I thought last year was the best defense.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
I mean, Lugerius Sneed is an example of a guy
that that wasn't there anymore, right, But you were saying
that before going into the Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
And I don't know.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
I do think the defense has been opportunistic. I think
they had some injuries that they were dealing with. They
certainly had injuries during the Super Bowl. Chris Jones was
on the sideline get his neckloa Depp because of the
touch push. But I don't know, man, I thought last
year's defense was a little more dominant for the Chiefs
than this year.

Speaker 4 (34:05):
But again, I know we have like a minute left
regarding the tush push. Dave he as a coach, how
come the NFL can't figure out a way to stop that?
You would take by now the geniuses in the NFL
on defense on the defensive side of the ball, Well,
there's only so much to find a way to stop.

Speaker 3 (34:23):
There's only so much you can do in Philadelphia.

Speaker 4 (34:26):
There's a couple of things to keep in mind, because
Buffalo tried it basically against Kansas City, and not once,
but I think twice, maybe three times.

Speaker 3 (34:37):
They got stopped by the Chiefs.

Speaker 4 (34:40):
But Philadelphia has a quarterback that is a six hundred
pound squat guy. He's the strongest quarterback in the world.
So when he gets behind an offensive line that is
probably the biggest offensive line in the game, and all
you need is a foot or two feet or maybe

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even a yard and you get.

Speaker 3 (35:03):
I mean, it's it's, as.

Speaker 4 (35:05):
We've seen, virtually impossible to shut them down. Jalen Hurts
is wicked strong. Yeah, I'm good for him. By the way.
I'm happy for him.

Speaker 3 (35:13):
Yeah, I am too.

Speaker 4 (35:14):
I'm really happy for him winning Super Bowl MVP. But
I was one dar I squat six hundred pounds. No, no,
not too many people can.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
No.

Speaker 4 (35:24):
Any ways, what about two and a quarter or so?
We squatting almost three times his body weight? Yeah, that's
three duld. You do six hundred over a period of
maybe five days. Yes, I could do that. I could
do that too. I could do that right.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
Every time, every time you do that, it always reminds
you of like airplane, remember the.

Speaker 3 (35:42):
Cockpit, Like is that deadpan that he's got? Is that
Peter Draves?

Speaker 2 (35:51):
Yes, that movie the greatest? All right, right back, what's
our little nuggets on the other side.