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Speaker 1 (00:00):
II.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
Let's sat out to the KWAE Comma Spirit Health Hotline
and bring on Ian Rappaport, our NFL Network Insider powered
by Chevron. Chevron the Human Energy Company committed to our
local communities and safely delivering affordable, reliable, ever cleaner energy. Ian, Good, afternoon, sir,
It's been a busy weekend. We really appreciate the time
you're on with Dave Ryan and Orlanda Franklin.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
How are you no problem? What's going on? Guys?
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Are you hey? Ian?
Speaker 4 (00:22):
Doing good? The elephant in the room. And I know
I saw some of your comments on NFL Network about it,
but it obviously here in this market has been a big,
big thing. So how do you wrap your head around
the Sador Sanders saga?
Speaker 5 (00:39):
Well, you know, I've obviously thought a lot about it.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
I thought a lot about everyone's reaction to it, and
to me, it blows down to this. There was only
two real teams that needed quote unquote needed a starting quarterback.
Other than obviously the Tennessee Titans who took camoord number one,
there was the Near Giants, who did not in any
quarterback worthy of being the number three overall pick, and
(01:04):
they traded up for Jackson Dart. They chose Jackson Dart
over Shador Sanders. That's okay, not a crime, it's what
they think. The other one is the Pittsburgh's doers and
obviously decide not to do it in part because they
have Aaron Rodgers likely coming, as Art Runny has said.
So that means that there were basically i'd say one
(01:25):
or two quarterback spots, whoever you want to calculate it,
and they picked other people. So it's like, okay, well,
then if he's not a starter, you're not going to
take him in the second round. Because teams almost never
do that. I mean, there's been like five second round
quarterbacks in like twenty years or.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
Something crazy like that, Andy Dalton, Kaepernick.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
There's a couple of them, right. Saints took one this year,
Tyler Shook. It's rare though, because usually it's like either
their starters or not. And the league, it seems, based
on the availability, decided that Shador Sanders was not a starter.
And if that's the case, you're not going to take
him in the second round.
Speaker 5 (02:01):
You're not gonna take him in the third round.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
You're going to take him later. And he went really
late but his teams didn't feel like they needed to
race up to take him because they considered him to
be a backup coming into the league. And then I
think the other part of it is when you have
a backup quarterback, and you guys know this very well,
let's say the Tim Tebow effect is in play, because
that means your backup quarterback is going to get more
(02:25):
attention by a lot than your starter, and that is
not something that many teams want. I think that helped
cause this fall as well. So it was a lot
of factors, it was complicated, and it was definitely the
story of the weekend.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Ian. How do you see it playing out though, because
in the third round, the Browns took Dylan Gabriel out
of Oregon, right, So how does that play out for
this whole entire situation now with Shadora and two quarterbacks
coming in for the Cleveland Browns this year.
Speaker 5 (02:55):
You know, there were a couple of teams, more than.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
A couple of teams that like Dylan Gabriel as a
sort of prototype backup quarterback, right, like, run around a
little bit, create with his legs, high energy, highly productive.
Speaker 5 (03:06):
Not as tall as you like.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
So you know, maybe there's deficiencies there, or whatever you
would like to say. But someone who could if the
starter gets injured, come into a game, bring energy and
score some points and maybe for a span of a
couple of games he could play well enough to win
some games.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
That is a prototype backup.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
And I think the Browns were among teams that liked
doing Gabriel like that. Sador standers is a little different
because you know, there are teams that do think he's
a potential future franchise starting quarterback. And I don't you know.
My guess would be, we'll see. My guess would be
Gabriel would probably have you know, Gabriel would probably have
(03:49):
sort of the leg up as the backup. But Chador
is a lottery ticket. If he is a franchise quarterback
like some people think, then it changes the entire Browns franchise.
It means the free first round pick they got in
the five to two trade can be used on anything
they want, and it means they're good for fifteen years.
If he's not good enough to be the franchise starter,
then you waste a fifth round pick, which teams do
(04:11):
all the time anyway, whether they want to or not.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Ian rapport joining us here. I wanted to go to
the Broncos for a second and get your thoughts on
their selection of Jade Barron in the first round. I
think a lot of us expected them to go offense.
They're at pick twenty, they go defense, and they go cornerback.
What's been sort of the reaction to that.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
So there's plenty of things that I got wrong in
the pre draft process. I thought this was a pretty
good possibility. I mean, there were a couple of players
they liked. I mean, look, the Broncos were trying work
among the teams, trying to trade up, and I don't
know who they were targeting, but I do know when
Koston Levelin went to the Bears, some of those calls stopped.
(04:50):
So I kind of wondered, like, was that the guy?
And maybe we'll never know, but I know they wanted
a receiving threat. I thought it was a receiver, but
obviously it wasn't because they would have taken not too
golden right, So I wondered if Colston lovem was the
guy that they wanted, and there were a couple teams
(05:10):
and were hoping he would five into to the teams,
and I wondered if that was the guy that the Broncos.
Speaker 5 (05:15):
I knew they weren't going to trade it for.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
A running back, that I wondered if that was the
guy they were talking about. Johnny Barron makes a lot
of sense. There's a lot of familiarity. Ben Joseph's first
cousin coached them of Texas. Among his traits, he's unbelievably smart,
Like people talked about him like the absolute best football
(05:37):
mind among defensive players they spoke with. So if you
know Sean Payton as you guys do, one of the
things he values is know what's going on all the time,
what you do and everything around you, and you know,
I think physically he's going to be good. Most people
viewed him as a flat only but super smart and
kind of a new nerve center for that defense.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
We're talking to Ian Rapaport our NFL Insider. Of course
you see him all the time on NFL Network. My
final thought, now that the draft is over, some of
those free agents, some of those unsigned free agents may
be looking to uh to sign with with whatever team.
Anybody sort of jump out to you in terms of it,
(06:18):
And I'm thinking specifically about the running backs body and
anybody jump out that you think may be signed sooner
than later.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
Yeah, I mean, you know JK.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Dobbins is probably the top one. Nick Chubb also available.
You know. It's I think people sort of imagine once
the draft happens, there's going to be like this mad scramble.
I don't really like that. It's more of like a
drip drip, you know, so like somebody could get signed today,
But if you're a team that you know isn't play
(06:49):
for a compensatory pick, you're probably gonna wait a couple
of days. You're gonna do like a thing where you
tell the player like, hey, like stick around because we
may have interest in you. And then you know, generally
those players end up signing but after the where it
won't affect the compic formula. So you know, I could
see that coming into play of the next week or so.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
And any team strike you like when you just look
back at this past weekend for you, like, what what
was what team had the best draft for you this
past year, this past weekend.
Speaker 5 (07:22):
You know, it's obviously it's.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Hard to know because you don't know, you know, what
what anybody's going to become. I liked what the Browns did,
because they don't have a unless your Gore Standers becomes
a franchise guy, they don't have one for the future.
So they and the Rams both were like, all right,
we like a lot of the players, we don't love them.
(07:45):
Let's get a first round pick for next year and
maybe that helps us get a franchise quarterback. So I
liked I like that philosophy. There were a couple of
teams that were really super aggressive on elite talented players.
Jaguars were one Travis Hunter. Falcons with James Pierce traded
all the way up and you know, spent the future
(08:07):
one to get him. If he is incredibly talented. You know,
if that hits, then no one's going to care that
they didn't get a one next year. So those, you know,
the teams that plan for the future and the teams
that were super aggressive. I liked why each of.
Speaker 5 (08:22):
Those teams did it as far as it just.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Like the player. Like it's it's tough to know. You know,
if if a team a player is really good, then
you know, usually that was a pretty good draft pick.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Ian always great, my friend, A great job this weekend,
and your coverage on NFL network and we will let
check in with you next week.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
Thank you, look forward to it. Take care Guy, appreciate
it right
II.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
Let's sat out to the KWAE Comma Spirit Health Hotline
and bring on Ian Rappaport, our NFL Network Insider powered
by Chevron. Chevron the Human Energy Company committed to our
local communities and safely delivering affordable, reliable, ever cleaner energy. Ian, Good, afternoon, sir,
It's been a busy weekend. We really appreciate the time
you're on with Dave Ryan and Orlanda Franklin.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
How are you no problem? What's going on? Guys?
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Are you hey? Ian?
Speaker 4 (00:22):
Doing good? The elephant in the room. And I know
I saw some of your comments on NFL Network about it,
but it obviously here in this market has been a big,
big thing. So how do you wrap your head around
the Sador Sanders saga?
Speaker 5 (00:39):
Well, you know, I've obviously thought a lot about it.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
I thought a lot about everyone's reaction to it, and
to me, it blows down to this. There was only
two real teams that needed quote unquote needed a starting quarterback.
Other than obviously the Tennessee Titans who took camoord number one,
there was the Near Giants, who did not in any
quarterback worthy of being the number three overall pick, and
(01:04):
they traded up for Jackson Dart. They chose Jackson Dart
over Shador Sanders. That's okay, not a crime, it's what
they think. The other one is the Pittsburgh's doers and
obviously decide not to do it in part because they
have Aaron Rodgers likely coming, as Art Runny has said.
So that means that there were basically i'd say one
(01:25):
or two quarterback spots, whoever you want to calculate it,
and they picked other people. So it's like, okay, well,
then if he's not a starter, you're not going to
take him in the second round. Because teams almost never
do that. I mean, there's been like five second round
quarterbacks in like twenty years or.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
Something crazy like that, Andy Dalton, Kaepernick.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
There's a couple of them, right. Saints took one this year,
Tyler Shook. It's rare though, because usually it's like either
their starters or not. And the league, it seems, based
on the availability, decided that Shador Sanders was not a starter.
And if that's the case, you're not going to take
him in the second round.
Speaker 5 (02:01):
You're not gonna take him in the third round.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
You're going to take him later. And he went really
late but his teams didn't feel like they needed to
race up to take him because they considered him to
be a backup coming into the league. And then I
think the other part of it is when you have
a backup quarterback, and you guys know this very well,
let's say the Tim Tebow effect is in play, because
that means your backup quarterback is going to get more
(02:25):
attention by a lot than your starter, and that is
not something that many teams want. I think that helped
cause this fall as well. So it was a lot
of factors, it was complicated, and it was definitely the
story of the weekend.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Ian. How do you see it playing out though, because
in the third round, the Browns took Dylan Gabriel out
of Oregon, right, So how does that play out for
this whole entire situation now with Shadora and two quarterbacks
coming in for the Cleveland Browns this year.
Speaker 5 (02:55):
You know, there were a couple of teams, more than.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
A couple of teams that like Dylan Gabriel as a
sort of prototype backup quarterback, right, like, run around a
little bit, create with his legs, high energy, highly productive.
Speaker 5 (03:06):
Not as tall as you like.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
So you know, maybe there's deficiencies there, or whatever you
would like to say. But someone who could if the
starter gets injured, come into a game, bring energy and
score some points and maybe for a span of a
couple of games he could play well enough to win
some games.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
That is a prototype backup.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
And I think the Browns were among teams that liked
doing Gabriel like that. Sador standers is a little different
because you know, there are teams that do think he's
a potential future franchise starting quarterback. And I don't you know.
My guess would be, we'll see. My guess would be
Gabriel would probably have you know, Gabriel would probably have
(03:49):
sort of the leg up as the backup. But Chador
is a lottery ticket. If he is a franchise quarterback
like some people think, then it changes the entire Browns franchise.
It means the free first round pick they got in
the five to two trade can be used on anything
they want, and it means they're good for fifteen years.
If he's not good enough to be the franchise starter,
then you waste a fifth round pick, which teams do
(04:11):
all the time anyway, whether they want to or not.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Ian rapport joining us here. I wanted to go to
the Broncos for a second and get your thoughts on
their selection of Jade Barron in the first round. I
think a lot of us expected them to go offense.
They're at pick twenty, they go defense, and they go cornerback.
What's been sort of the reaction to that.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
So there's plenty of things that I got wrong in
the pre draft process. I thought this was a pretty
good possibility. I mean, there were a couple of players
they liked. I mean, look, the Broncos were trying work
among the teams, trying to trade up, and I don't
know who they were targeting, but I do know when
Koston Levelin went to the Bears, some of those calls stopped.
(04:50):
So I kind of wondered, like, was that the guy?
And maybe we'll never know, but I know they wanted
a receiving threat. I thought it was a receiver, but
obviously it wasn't because they would have taken not too
golden right, So I wondered if Colston lovem was the
guy that they wanted, and there were a couple teams
(05:10):
and were hoping he would five into to the teams,
and I wondered if that was the guy that the Broncos.
Speaker 5 (05:15):
I knew they weren't going to trade it for.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
A running back, that I wondered if that was the
guy they were talking about. Johnny Barron makes a lot
of sense. There's a lot of familiarity. Ben Joseph's first
cousin coached them of Texas. Among his traits, he's unbelievably smart,
Like people talked about him like the absolute best football
(05:37):
mind among defensive players they spoke with. So if you
know Sean Payton as you guys do, one of the
things he values is know what's going on all the time,
what you do and everything around you, and you know,
I think physically he's going to be good. Most people
viewed him as a flat only but super smart and
kind of a new nerve center for that defense.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
We're talking to Ian Rapaport our NFL Insider. Of course
you see him all the time on NFL Network. My
final thought, now that the draft is over, some of
those free agents, some of those unsigned free agents may
be looking to uh to sign with with whatever team.
Anybody sort of jump out to you in terms of it,
(06:18):
And I'm thinking specifically about the running backs body and
anybody jump out that you think may be signed sooner
than later.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
Yeah, I mean, you know JK.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Dobbins is probably the top one. Nick Chubb also available.
You know. It's I think people sort of imagine once
the draft happens, there's going to be like this mad scramble.
I don't really like that. It's more of like a
drip drip, you know, so like somebody could get signed today,
But if you're a team that you know isn't play
(06:49):
for a compensatory pick, you're probably gonna wait a couple
of days. You're gonna do like a thing where you
tell the player like, hey, like stick around because we
may have interest in you. And then you know, generally
those players end up signing but after the where it
won't affect the compic formula. So you know, I could
see that coming into play of the next week or so.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
And any team strike you like when you just look
back at this past weekend for you, like, what what
was what team had the best draft for you this
past year, this past weekend.
Speaker 5 (07:22):
You know, it's obviously it's.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Hard to know because you don't know, you know, what
what anybody's going to become. I liked what the Browns did,
because they don't have a unless your Gore Standers becomes
a franchise guy, they don't have one for the future.
So they and the Rams both were like, all right,
we like a lot of the players, we don't love them.
(07:45):
Let's get a first round pick for next year and
maybe that helps us get a franchise quarterback. So I
liked I like that philosophy. There were a couple of
teams that were really super aggressive on elite talented players.
Jaguars were one Travis Hunter. Falcons with James Pierce traded
all the way up and you know, spent the future
(08:07):
one to get him. If he is incredibly talented. You know,
if that hits, then no one's going to care that
they didn't get a one next year. So those, you know,
the teams that plan for the future and the teams
that were super aggressive. I liked why each of.
Speaker 5 (08:22):
Those teams did it as far as it just.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Like the player. Like it's it's tough to know. You know,
if if a team a player is really good, then
you know, usually that was a pretty good draft pick.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Ian always great, my friend, A great job this weekend,
and your coverage on NFL network and we will let
check in with you next week.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
Thank you, look forward to it. Take care Guy, appreciate
it right
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